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Are they really so bad?
Also, prove that this anecdote isn't the case with proper sources
They don't integrate, they just form groups with their own people
Source: I live in Cardiff where this issue is widespread
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>>77695244
Source:
http://www.unhcr.org/uk/news/stories/2016/5/573dd35b4/a-syrian-scientist-in-exile.html?query=scientist+in+turkey
>>77695244
Yes.
I just drove through Southall.
>>77695244
they're "others" with higher birth rates than us. We live in a democracy. I don't want to be displaced and eventually disposed of.
>>77695321
got any news articles about the issue or is it blacked out of the media?
>>77695468
were they syrian refugees?
>>77695510
they just people though with as much right to democracy as us.
They infiltrate as "victims" and "refugees" breed an army of new Caliphate soldiers. Enter every industry and aspect of society and gradually take over. Just wait when European armies are filled with muslims and every parliament is filled with muslim influence. For 1400 years we held them off despite being outnumbered and in the space of 2 generations traitors let them in unimpeded.
>>77695321
White niggers don't mix either
I bring this up because I'm trying to redpill my mum into voting to leave the EU. I'm playing a bit of devils advocate, but she's just given me a bunch of speculative shit saying they're mostly women and children, with good educations.
The intelligent ones are fine, but that goes for all races really.
Run of the mill dune coons are uncivilised animals.
I'm from the Christian part of the Middle East.
What do you want to know? I've lived among them for my entire life.
Picture related.
"I live in Indonesia, the country with the biggest Muslims population in the world, about 200 millions from 250 millions are Muslims. About 500 years ago it was still a Buddhists and Hindus country.
They were so peaceful and naive, they have no idea what Islam is. They are converted by Arabs through marriages and wars. The first Sultan in Java killed his own father because his father was a Buddhist. His father did not want to convert to Islam and that's it.
After most of the population were converted there was no peace anymore. At 1800 there was a jihad war between Muslims and...Muslims because the first group thinks that the second group is not Muslim enough! Later the second jihad war followed...
We are still seeing the same thing with Shiite and Sunni right now. In Indonesia Sunni just burned and killed Ahmadiah followers. If they cannot make peace among themselves how can we ask them to respect Atheists and people having other religions?
I am afraid the same ignorance and naivety will bring a catastrophe to Europe, the same story on Indonesia will be repeated on Europe, especially Germany. That makes me so sad. Why we could not learn from History."
>>77695244
The Sand People are easily startled, but they will soon be back, and in greater numbers.
Here we have muslims in their natural habitat. We can assume these are those average non extremist ones we here about, just a normal day at market. This is all it takes to push them into a murderous mob in the name of Allah
http://www.nytimes.com/video/world/asia/100000004108808/the-killing-of-farkhunda.html
>>77695793
Sorry, let me rephrase that.
I'm a Christian living in a Muslim part of the Middle East. What do you want to know about them?
>>77695244
they definitely read
Sandnigggers are sandniggers. They are human scum. Although not as 'scum' as niggers. They are 'semi-intelligent human garbage'.
>>77696123
yeah can confirm
>>77695244
No, they're worse.
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Did based Farage make a mistake with his poster?
He got a lot of flak for it in the media
>>77696087
>not from canada
I didn't realise Canada had already joined the M/E
>>77696087
Everything.
Iraqi refugees here aren't too bad tbqh
>>77696087
Didn't know canada is in the middle east now.
>>77696414
What's your experience of them, had any conversations?
>>77696123
It doesn't matter, most threads get derailed anyway, if they didn't bother it's pointless to try and push it
>>77696359
The Muslims are by far the most dishonest and primitive people you'll see within the Semitic sphere. If they know that you're not Muslim, they automatically grow a disdain for you. Christians are easily prosecuted and these prosecutions are supported by most. Don't be charmed by their innocent-like behavior, they're always like that with foreigners, it's second-nature, as it is with us Christians. The difference is that we are genuine, they aren't, they're simply trying to build a bond to take advantage of you whether it be financially or not. They "talk shit" about people all the time behind their backs, whoever it is.
It's too broad of a topic to address like that. Give me specific questions about them and I'll answer.
>>77696462
I'm originally from Egypt. I'm a Coptic Egyptian.
Is there a way to fix this problem without total genocide?
>>77696965
not that im against it
>>77696771
How to deal with a muslim correctly ? What are the weak points ?
>>77697076
Bacon
>>77695244
we beat up arabs here everytime we spot them in the ghetto.
shit-tier people except the ones from oman and omani niggers from zanzibar.
>>77697132
They are not vampires, who hate garlic. It is justified by the quran to eat bacon in extrem situations (starvation)
Tbqh I'd be fine with women and children coming over who are extremely well-vetted, and won't bring over their retarded male cousins, if there was some system of integration, i.e. they don't move to London and live in an area with 95% muslim population.
I think one of the few good things this government has done is realise that if you reward the people roaming through Europe with asylum, more will do it, so they're taking vulnerable people (women and children) directly from the refugee camps in Lebanon/Jordan.
It is not the sandpeople's fault, it is the satanic ideology imposed on them.
Islam is the root problem
>>77695244
EXTERMINATE
>>77697076
That one is very tricky.
There's two way to go about it.
1) Shaming them in a very subtle way about their dis-compassion. However, be careful, as that can go two ways. 1) It succeeds and becomes more tame. 2) It makes him feel more like an outcast and actually fuels his confidence and disdain for foreigners. That's why it needs to be Muslim vs Muslim. Foreigners' opinions have little effect on them.
2) Women. That is biggest, most deadly weapon. If women are actively showing him that his behavior is repulsive, especially within his inner circle, one of two things will happen. 1) He will change for the better. 2) Elliot Rodger. If it's foreigner women, he'll just treat them like whores, move on and become more confident thinking he's "2 alpha 4 u". If it's his own women, from his cultural and religious background, he'll quickly understand that he has no other choice but to change or kill.
Muslims are incredibly hard to deal with, precisely because their weak points are so limited. Europeans are easy because of their highly developed sense of morality and understanding. With Muslims, it is too limited given their little sense of morality and understanding, as well as their rigidity to Islamic culture.
That is not only with Muslims, but with Middle Easterns in general. Their mother. If their mothers are reformed, so are they.
I'm living in middle east as an ex-muslim. Let me tell you my objective insight, it's not the islam. All religions are the same shit. It's the community of islam. It's just that majority of muslims are ignorant and uneducated.
Is it their fault to be that fucking bad? Hell no, any man born in there has a high chance of being an uneducated animal. It's not their fault that their region is fucking helpless. Just a little bit historical determinism guys, it's just the unlucky part of the world just like africa.
But that doesnt change the fact that the world would be a far better place in terms of progress and science without them. If i had to choose their fate i would nuke the shit them. Yes, my family and loved ones included. It's fucking 2016 and i want to see instellar travels, cure of the the incurable diseases, super AIs, artificial stars and our purpose in this universe if there is one. And these people are not making this easy.
I will repeat, 'its not their fucking fault' and they are not the only ignorant and uneducated people in the world. If i could i would kill every single one them. But since muslim have the most stupidity/area ratio, couple of nukes would do better in middle east than europe.
>>77695244
Some are very nice, friendly and warm people, others are cunts. Many are both, nice to their family, friends and tribe but cunts to everyone else.
They're a honor based, low trust culture that doesn't mix well with law based, high trust ones.
>>77695244
Sand-people easily scare, but they'll soon be back, and in greater numbers.
>>77695691
>but she's just given me a bunch of speculative shit saying they're mostly women and children, with good educations.
Your mother is an imbecile, there's no saving her. Does she not watch the news, or did the UK news not actually show all those kind people in the Calais 'Jungle' that were trying to get into your country?
>>77695548
>they just people though with as much right to democracy as us.
And this is our continent and our land, we do not want to be displaced.
the little girl is wearing a shirt showing ANOTHER fucking immigrant....why can't these people stay in their countries?
>>77695691
If you need a reason for not taking in foreigners, simply bring up this statistical fact:
Europeans have low birth rates compared to the rest of the planet.
The places where we are taking people from are places with higher birth rates.
As population is not indicative of breeding populace (half of europe is too old to breed, i can say.) it means that taking in just a bit of people from the middle east will dilute us and eventually mix us away if we just keep accepting them under the guise of empathy and other cancer.
It also means that their cultural influence will grow and have more culture crashes with european culture which could eventually escalate into a balkan scenario if we are being extreme.
In any case, we europeans own this land, we should have every right to dislike the foreigners.
>>77695244
The majority I've dealt with, no. The problem is that their "Good Book", the Koran, has some brutal sadistic shit in it from 1400 years ago that some will take literally. Hence nutcases that rape, mutilate and murder en masse. Wherever you have Islam, you will always have a few of these. You can't blame westerners for wanting to shun Islam on this basis. This sort of problem is practically non-existent with Christians - the very name of the faith is a reflection of the fact that they have decided to leave all that ancient shit behind. I'm not Christian, by the way - not anything, really.
>>77698372
Also statistical fact says that most of the ones coming aren't from Syria or any place relevant enough that it warrants taking refugees in.
Most of them are men too who would then try to bring their entire family over which would multiply the amount of people taken in significantly.
Since they use our money to survive when they come here it means that it also drains on our economy.
Most of them don't have good education, that is a meme, only the rich ones do because they live in the god damn third world.
>>77697934
#NotAllMuslims
#IslamIsAReligionOfPeace
Muhammad, your prophet, is a cuck to Allah, a goatfucking piece of shit, a pedophile pig, and a murderous faggot
eat shit achmed
>>77698104
She's not stupid she's just too idealistic about humanity, she falls for the rhetoric that they are just like us, but persecuted by the media, and there is plenty of over the top rhetoric about them all being terrorist bombers that is thrown around in circle jerks that do nothing but compare it to Nazism
>are they really that bad?
Yes.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KPGyt3ZDv2Y
Yes they are.
>>77698035
A fun fact about that scene.
That was roughly 75 frames just being looped over in the movie.
>>77698468
>Statistical fact
I need that source to use in an argument, and from an undeniable source ie not daily mail
>>77698611
i hope you know that they will kill you for saying this.
I just don't want them in my country.
animals on 2 legs
>>77695244
>>77697958
This paper goes in to some of the details of how sandpeople cannot into things like running an effective modern armed forces.
http://www.meforum.org/441/why-arabs-lose-wars
The same cultural reasons apply to democracy or many things taken for granted in western countries.
>>77695244
>people
?
i was considering moving to the US to live a normal life and try to blend in because i have proper education and a good bit of money saved up but damn this thread is making me have second thoughts
i don't want to leave everybody i know behind to eventually get killed by a trump supporter with mental issues
i already have citizenship but i guess i'll stay here for now
>>77695244
>Are they really so bad?
Yes!
Open your fucking eyes and imagine the future of your people, you twit.
>>77698611
He is not my prophet because im not a muslim. Maybe he was a cuck to Allah, dont know dont care. You sounded just like those retarded muslims that i mentioned in my post. Did you even read what i said ?
>>77695548
>they just people though with as much right to democracy as us.
Sure, but do it in their own countries, they are not welcome in Western lands, they contribute nothing.
>>77698611
http://www.pewresearch.org/daily-number/decline-in-support-for-suicide-bombing/
>>77698634
If you actually believe most of the current immigrants coming into Britain are highly educated women and children you're extremely naïve at best, and likely just dumb. With all due respect.
>>77698755
You can search on your own you know.
Or on 4plebs /pol/ archive, i'm sure you'll find something.
But i like to use common knowledge above factual debate, relying on logic to do most things because i don't have to waste time finding out stuff.
But for one, the birth rate argument against foreign immigration should be a thing.
If she supports that heavy immigration then she basically says she wants to dilute the europeans out of existence much like what happened to the native americans.
Muslims aren't bad if you enjoy gay people being beheaded, apostates being beheaded, those who insult Islam being beheaded, non-muslims having to pay a special tax, non-muslims beings killed, non-muslims being enslaved, and sex with 6 year old girls being allowed.
>>77699205
You're a turkroach
I don't give a flying fuck what you say
Hope we bomb your whole muslim shithole back to the stone ages and enslave the survivors.
It would be the humanitarian thing to do to free you shitskins from the pigfucking cancer that is Islam
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KPGyt3ZDv2Y
Soon
>>77699111
That doesn't even make sense
>>77695691
kill mother steal vote
>>77696324
no, fuck the media
>>77695244
your mind is controleed by the Jewish narrative, "good" or "bad" the foreigners being are irrelevant, this is under the narrative that yuo must have foreigners.
>>77696771
your not from vancouver are you
>>77699987
Everyone has foreigners, always have, it just used to be all European countries foreigners were other Europeans so it wasn't a problem.
>>77699852
>>77695321
this is true to Pakis and Indians in particular, i lived in Manchester and they would all live right next to each other, even in schools they would usually band up together, never knew exactly why
>>77700109
Im not challenging you to a fight
Im telling you our country is going to team up with Russia and bomb your families into ash like you deserve turkroach
Cant wait
>>77700270
Meh
>>77699852
He is not a Muslim you autist Burger.
Jeez these hillbillies are a damn shiny bunch.
>>77695244
https://archive.is/LRe05
Plenty more where that came from. Check all the sources for yourself, if you want.
>>77700564
Just wait till Obama hussein barack Laden doesn't have your shitty hairy muslim backs anymore
Putin is going to have a a fun year in 2017 and your surviving women will be getting SLAV'D nice and proper to erase your shitskinned people from existence
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KPGyt3ZDv2Y
Fucking turkroaches
>>77700681
Keep talking bitch
We know the rothschilds are holding out in your country with their mountains of gold and billion dollar mansions
You'll actually be a challenge to conquer but in 8 years we'll wipe that smug swiss smile off your NWO face
Surely you mean SandNIGGERS
>>77700867
but why would they marry their cousins? they are all over the place, you would think they would find a bride outside of the family
>>77701142
I dunno why do they think fucking little boys on Thursday is a-okay?
>>77701003
you do know that the Rothschild's are based in the US right? you gotta overthrow them first before you can actually do anything, too bad they are slowly taking away your guns and freedoms
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>>77700867
>https://archive.is/LRe05
Thanks, this is top notch
>>77701312
why Thursday?
>>77698755
Something like this?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35444173
The fact most refugees are actually young males.
>>77701142
It is very common in eastern nations to marry inside the family. They do not want the wealth (however small that might be) to be divided and distributed to other families.
They are not very observant or they do not care if the marriages result in birth defects.
And of course, God forbid if one of the girls in the family falls in love with an English heathen
>>77698634
This argument often works for bluepilled: it's that while many of them are "great people", you can't have too much of them in.
First of all, getthoing is a normal human reaction, you want to live close to someone you know things about. However, if there is too many, there is no incentive for them to adapt, to learn the language, to change according to the new land. However, the EU does frown heavily on restrictions, mandatory language classes and such, which would actually help them a lot more than to let just anyone in.
Secondly, some people who are fleeing are proper refugees, but some are just economic migrants claiming to be syrian. This is unfair to the actual syrians, whose country is at war. Because of the pressure from the EU, there is no way that proper background checks can be ran. And let us not forget that with none of these background checks, we are letting criminals in. On top of that, people fleeing economic zones are often not the cream of the crop. They are people that have failed to get a job and an education in semi-decent states. For example, morocco. Not everything is sunny and peachy, but even then it's possible to get jobs and have a decent living there. If you have that, as well as a family and friends, you don't leave your country. As far as economic migration goes, these are the people we get in. We need time to check all of those people. We also need to have a good system to send back those that try to abuse the fact there is a war in Syria for their own gain. This isn't possible the way things are now.
>>77698634
>>77695691
Here is an article in German, 2/3 of migrants comign to Germany are illiterate.
>>77695244
They had great achievements in architecture:
http://visitnis.com/the-skull-tower.html
>>77701723
holy shit.
i know merchants and noble families used to do it to preserve wealth but they still fucking do it because it stuck?
HAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAA
that's hilarious as fuck, do you have a source on that? would love an actual report stating that as one of if not The reason they marry incestuously.
also more of their women fall for English guys than you think, even happened to a distant relative of mine who lives in france
>>77702332
>http://visitnis.com/the-skull-tower.html
Blood for the blood god, skulls for the skull throne.
>>77702332
Skulls for the Skull Throne?
>>77701641
>>77702014
Thanks
>>77702014
This sums up the best angles to counter with
>>77695244
I'll tell you how this works
Imagine I'm a radical whatever. Let's say nationalist, for example.
Let's say I live with a moderate communist.
We talk and all but, since we're forced to live together and he isn't really a threat I can't be bothered to show my power level.
Now let's say a new person comes to live with us. He's another moderate, but somewhat say my views. So let's call him a moderate nationalist.
I'd have no problems talking this person into hating the other moderate because, after all, all I'd need is empowering his views. Ultimately, he'd view our other partner as such a disgusting being that he'd back me up when I'd decide to kick him.
That's how radicalization works and anyone that leans towards certain ideologies radical-friendly (nationalism, comunism, Islam, etc) are enablers of radical uprisings. Things like democracy or modern christianity are less dogmatic therefore, even if they can still be twisted and radicalized, are harder to radicalize.
Still, in any scenario, radicals will always conquer moderates one way or another. Either by subversion (radicals push their agenda and moderates sit and watch) or by conquest (radicals unite and moderates scatter).
>>77695321
No group integrates. Same goes for little Inglunders.
The problem comes when cultures are vastly disparate.
>>77702449
I dont know if such a report exist.
I have travelled extensively in Egypt, Iran and Turkey and talked to local families. From my observation the reason for incest is not to divide agricultural land, and they do it even if it is illegal to marry in the family.
>>77702014
excellent post
also you should mention that refugees need to be treated the same way as civilians when it comes to crime and neevr get special treatment.
also the mandatory speech class will help out a lot more than people think, one of the main factors of people never assimilating or getting a
>>77703149
Egyptians marry into their family's? i call bullshit on this, maybe some but definitely not widespread, its extremely taboo. not sure about Iran, Turkey also skeptical, they are pretty modernized
>>77702688
Chinese, Japanese and other Asian people deem to integrate pretty well into the US, anyone can integrate, it just depends on his personal views and motivation to actually integrate which is usually none.
kids are usually the easiest to integrate when they go to school, learn the language and partake in customs but newly arrived people who have lived in their county fro years will never integrate and some will even want to make the place they are staying at more like home
>>77695244
we're talking about radically opposite cultures here.
not sure some Asian buddhist shit and christian.
islam and the christian west have always been at war, this caused a polarization of the two cultures.
they became opposite and obviously incompatible.
>>77695681
what ?
>>77695244
Don't know i find them quite funny. Hallway sandfolk male into his "Ramadan" = he can't eat when the sun is up or can't drink any alochol at all". Opens up the fridge and sees that his part of the firdge is full of booze. "Who the fuck put my shelf full of booze". Loses his shit.3 random Ethiopians i've never seen are sitting at the kitchen table and shrug. Ethiopian hallway dude enters the kitchen giggling with a bottle of wine and some beer in his hands. Grins at his 3 friends at the table and grabs some of his beer from the fridge. Smiles at sandmale. Mfw:
>>77697934
I basically agree with you roachfreind. I'll bet dollars to donuts if you talk to any western islam convert and ask them about women's rights and attitudes to homosexuals they'll respond with "oh, but that's not what the quran really means. People who think the quran is anti freedom for women are homosexuals are not real muslims", ie. they pick and choose the parts of the quran they want to believe. Just like christians believe what they like in the bible.
Like you say, the difference is most muslims are literal garbage and literal cancer in western society.
I don't know why you say
>its not their fucking fault
if it's not their fault for being stupid ignorant and violent then who's is it?
>>77695244
>tfw no cute middle eastern gf
>>77705121
>pick and choose the parts of the quran they want to believe.
congratulations, you've just labeled over 3/4 of people, since the start of Christianity and Islam its been going in this direction, slowly starts deteriorating till its completely gone.
of course rather than believing parts of the quran and convincing myself im going the right way i just said fuck it and saw the light.
Christianity, Islam, Judaism. all of them are bullshit with "holy books" that are actually written by people not god. they worked back in the era where they were created.
the Arabian Peninsula was littered with tribes everywhere, constant wars between them, Islam came and and merged them together with laws and regulations that made the people live together happily, it worked well for that era. but only THAT Era. as time went on things got more violent, members of the religion started fighting, the "Hadith" was created 200 years after Muhammad died with new laws and regulations.(aka "Sharia Law") and the Arabian Empire fractured.
its the same with what happened with the Roman Empire back when Christianity first existed and when the Chalcedonian Council fractured with the West becoming Catholic and the east becoming Orthodox.
eventually the religion will die out as i said, look at Christianity, its already in its dying age. hopefully religion will go away since its one of the main causes of separation in the human race, hopefully the world will and together to achieve the things our Turkish friend here>>77697934 said. we have so much to learn, and if we continue to fight each other we will never learn it
>>77705887
With brown nipples and flaps, ugh, no thanks.
i like the ones in star wars
Depends. Syrians (Not Turkish,Afghani,Pakistani,Saudi and other niggers.) and Lebanese people are ok desu.
>>77695321
This is because of the teachings of asshola khamenei
Exmample:
>the u.s. started Iran's nuclear program for them in the 60's. You can find videos of female iranian politicians touring the nuclear plants. They wore head scarves of course, but also wore colorful print sun dresses, high heels and showed their calves.
Iran was very open to western culture.
When the ayatollah gained power he started the "death to Americans" teachings in schools.
Brought in hardcore Islamic teachings.
Its not the people its the regimes.
Its not Islam its the Islamic teachings that are prevalent in the middle east now.
Sadly, it would take a couple generations to undo the damage. The middle east is a giant cult now.
>>77695548
>democracy
You're right. Let's vote for the party that promises to deport or at least put them in ghettos with guards. Democracy is great.
Yes, sand-fleas are that bad.
>>77695244
I am actually envious of their ability to form the tightly woven communities that the West once had. We've fallen so hard and become so self-centered we're breaking immedatiely the moment we witness an actual community like the ones these people have.
We have grown so completely nihilistic and atheistic with don't live for anything but ourselves anymore which is precisely why we are dying as a people.
>>77695244
Their values are at odds with western civilization. They need to be in their own countries, which are shitholes because of their culture and values.
>>77695244
No Arabs are fine.
99% of them are shit because they're muslim though.
Lebanese Christians and atheists are top lads desu.
>>77695691
Islamic "education" is hot garbage, as shown by the number of peer-reviewed papers they produce annually.
It was Islamic "education" that made Osama Bin Laden into a jihadist.
They are incredibly sexist, their women's "education" is all about getting women to be submissive and rat on their non-complying vagina buddies.
Most of the unaccompanied "children" are uneducated middle aged criminals.
>>77710335
true, although its partly Islam, or what they follow of it, they misinterpret what is said and use it for personal gain.
Khamenei fucked Iran so bad, he sent Iran backwards in evolution, a reform is needed in the middle east, the current religious rule over there will only hurt them, when Religion and State are one body the nation will never go well.
hopefully the new generation will fix this, they are already influenced by western culture, maybe they will get their country's in order
>>77697768
they're literally like gangster niggers but they actually respect their "moms" rather than it being a half-assed excuse to rob gas stores then?
>>77697934
>it's current year
>>77695244
As long as they're not muslims they're fine with me.
>>77711439
Women cant partake in Islamic education
they can partake in regular education, like College and normal Schools, Islamic education is about as useful as Women studies, it only promotes extremism or bitter hatred from the individual of the subject
>>77712096
>Justin_Trudeau
