http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jared-buckley/why-adult-children-living_b_10509310.html
/pol/ I saw a thread like this last night and I am starting to wonder is living with the parents in your 20's the new red pill?
I currently live on my own and prefer it to being with my parents but I have to answer to Mr. Shekelstein every month for rent. Also, I don't really date that much and don't care about "getting laid" or any of that degenerate stuff.
It seems like the only thing holding me back is just that society says it's the "thing to do" after you graduate college. I don't save nearly as much as I could if I would move back home (which I easily could if I wanted to).
I honestly think that I'm swallowing yet another red pill with this. But what are the cons that I'd be missing /pol/? Let's have a good, healthy (lol) debate here.
>>77694302
Moving out is a boomer meme started by their parents.
Multi generational homes were common before WWII.
In our traditions, we used to own large properties where the whole family was living. Large house with barns, crops, cattle, etc.
I'm going for the ideal.
Living in an appartment that you pay absurd sum of money each month is degenerate.
Moving out when your parents piss you off is great. I feel much better since moving out.
Although there being no jobs/uni in my home city certainly had a significant part in it.
>>77694302
The only bad part is that you have to put up with other peoples bullshit, whenver I get a job I'm going to GTFO this hellhole full of harpies.
Moving out early is abnormal. As a matter of fact, a whole lot of shit boomers did is extremely abnormal. the Social changes that are happening in the West are not actually changes, they're simply a return to the norm after the extremely bizarre Boomer and X generations. To give an example, younger Millennials (age 18-24) are significantly more conservative than older (25-30) millennials.
Basically the last vestiges of the post war booms are finally exiting the system and we're back to what it's normally like.
>>77694528
Yeah exactly, that's the argument I was hearing last night too. That 'moving out' was an outdated idea started by boomers (who will always lecture you on how tough it was for them) when the economy was great and you didn't need much to buy a house for the nuclear family with one income.
I moved out at 21 but I knew this guy who lived with his parents into his 30's
He's a literal chad too, and super religious so the "no pussy because u live with mom" didn't really matter. He had plenty of cash and worked as a restaurant manager. The only reason he stayed is because he wanted to save the full value of house so he would not need a mortgage. I let him know this was pretty dumb because he could have been renting out extra rooms and this additional income would have covered the cost for a mortgage.He had already saved up so much already though, and wasn't too far from the amount he needed. so he still hasn't bought one yet
>>77695987
I did something similar except without the buying a house part. Basically, my old man wanted to travel, so I stayed at home, save money, and bought him a motorhome, then we swapped, I got the house, he got the motorhome. No banks, no kikes, no interest. It all stayed in the family.
>>77695189
move out already. everyone you know thinks youre a faggot if you live at home past 20. real talk
>>77694302
If living with your parents becomes the norm, wages and prices will be adjusted so you HAVE to live with your parents.
Same way wages and prices adjusted to having 2 adults working full time, when women started working.
In short, it works unless many people start doing it.
There's a reason why humans have always spread out and "left the nest"
The pains and efforts of taking care of oneself are highly enriching later on in life.
Your parents will die at some point and being able to take care of yourself and them/your future family can only be rehearsed sooner than later.
Becoming independent is huge part of growing up, it makes you a more responsible individual and a greater son to your parents.
I'm 28 and getting my first apartment in a few weeks. Living with my mom has allowed me to save 23k and my credit is fucking phenomenal. I would keep mooching if she wasn't moving to the other side of the country while my regular job is here. No regrets whatsoever.
>>77694302
Left home @18 for college. Engineering degree @22. Return home to live with parents. Find really well paying engineering job in NYC. Save/invest nearly $200,000. Meet dream girl @28. Get married right away, buy house, have baby all by 30.
Mfw friends all still living in over priced apartments like to lecture me on how they value their freedom too much for family, house, kids.
>>77696235
Who cares what other basic bitches think.
>>77696235
>20 and 10k gbp saved up living at home.
I really don't care if someone thinks I'm a faggot when I'm making mad bank.
Stay shit, faggot.
>>77694302
>don't care about "getting laid" or any of that degenerate stuff.
cuck
>>77694302
Hello OP, i dont think living at home is degenerate. I lived on my own ad worked full time for 6 years doing 12 hour shifts, i moved back home after losing my job for BS reasons. After moving back home my father got sick from cancer and i took care of him every day for 2 years, untill he literally fucking died at home. After that i went into higher education, and just recently finished with 2 associates degrees and no debt.
Currently still at home, helping remodel the house which is mine.
I dont party much or screw around with drugs. Ill probaby start working again soon and save money, and i don't plan on moving out again because my mom is so old. (Easier to stay, stake my claim and make sure i get the house)
>>77695189
>younger Millennials (age 18-24) are significantly more conservative than older (25-30) millennials
Source? I mostly see the opposite. And Generation Z are like Millennials on steroids
I moved out at 17 after I was done with high school. Didn't go to uni immediately even though I could, got life experiences and lessons in 2 years that most people wouldn't experience in their lifetimes, swallowed pill after pill about the world outside my parents' home.
I learned how to manage finances and take care of myself, keep myself alive, keep myself employed, and all in all live a good life.
I see other people of my age (22/23) and they're all pathetic worms exactly because they don't man the fuck up and take life into their own hands. They can't cook, can't take care of a household, responsibilities are practically nonexistant and they live still thinking people are gonna clean their mess up for the rest of their lives.
Of course I also see the benefits of living with one's parents but for me that's not even a choice since my parents live across the Atlantic.
10 k total or as in a separate savings account worth 10 k?
>>77697669
http://elitedaily.com/life/millennials-rebelling-conservative-views/1345759/
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-myth-of-enduring-millennial-liberalism/
>>77697773
Dammit, meant for >>77697524
>>77697027
Lemme know how the divorce treats you.
>>77694302
Because their boomer parents would rather rent out their houses to niggers than to give it to their children.
Housing prices are too high for the wage developments. Of course you can't buy a fucking house right out of college.
>>77697773
In my one savings account there is nearly 11k
Cheap apartments do not exist anymore unless you are willing to move to places where there are only low wage jobs. Or risk having a bad roommate by sharing an apartment.
>>77698150
Well done mate
In my family it's normal to live with your parents until you can afford a house of your own (which we'll help you with) and then once you buy it it's basically another jewel in the crown of the family.
I love being a landowner with a family that actually gives a shit
>>77698150
>>77698314
>tfw Mining boom ended
>>77694528
What happened to boomers that made them the absolute worst generation?
>>77694302
>I have to answer to Mr. Shekelstein every month for rent
>for rent
That is your problem.
You need to get a property, to get your land, then you will enter adulthood properly.
Paying rent or living with you parents only demonstrates you are still green.
Anyway, there are some "people" who will complain about this fact, and who would say that adulthood comes when you have a child, even if you cannot pay for his well-being, because they asume the State will take care.
>>77695987
Renting the extra rooms means having to deal with roomies who change the wallpaper on the tv to goatse, drink until 3am every Monday because Tuesday-Wednesday is their day off, cook the most godawful shit on the stove, and probably have loud threesomes every Saturday because that's when their not-at-all-devout lovers have the night off.
... shit I should rent my extra rooms, that sounds fun.
Seriously, though, if saving is a reasonable option it's almost certainly a better choice than a mortgage. Being a competent landlord is both work and intrusion on your personal space by people who may be a lot more annoying than your parents... And that's assuming you can find renters in the first place. Not guaranteed.
>>77697027
That's just the Patrician way of life.
>>77698391
What the fuck, a 35% tax rate for only 8k in earnings?
>>77698753
In 9 days no less.
>>77698753
Welcome to a socialist nanny state.
>>77694302
>moves out for no reason
>realises it
Moving out implies you hate your parents, which I understand is the "normal" today, otherwise why would you get away from the people who loved you all your life, fed you and gave you education, plus pleasure expenses? Would you let them fucking rot away? I am not even mentioning the money they will give you when they die. Even if you are married, started from the assumption that you are a normal man with a big enough house, why the fuck would you move away with your wife? Consider your family has a farm, would you move away for absolute no reason? You can build another house if you want, things are just not as flexible as a blue pilled plebeian believes them to be. You can do all this Hollywood bullshit, but it is just not sensible, thus it should not be the norm.
>>77698602
I should not have called him dumb, it really wasn't a poor choice he made, but I had great success as a landlord so I was a bit biased
getting paid ~$1,500 a month to live for free isn't the worst thing in the world.
>>77694302
As someone in a similar situation to you, I can say that paying rent is definitely worth the freedom that comes with not living with parents.
There is definitely an advantage to having your own place over living with parents. Privacy for a start, freedom to have friends over, parties, friday nights with the lads etc.
There is definitely something beta about being relegated to you bedroom to watch T.V that doesn't consist of shitty soaps and dramas aimed at out of touch boomers.
I love my parents and they love me back.
Most of you "muh independent adults" just have daddy and mommy issues and are grossly insecure with your own personal finances. Hell, you idiots are retarded enough to get married and then get into $200k mortgage (which you'll never payback on your minimum wage) just to "fit in with society", and then you have the gall to lecture us "to move out from our parents house"?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You're just jealous you have to pay $2000 a month to Mr Shekelberg on your Rent and taxes, while I SAVE $2000 instead.
Stay salty boomer faggots and sympathizers.
>>77697703
FUCKING THIS
I'M 29, EVERY PERSON UNDER 20 (ESPECIALLY THE UNDERAGED ONES, I KNOW YOU COME HERE) LISTEN TO ME -
UNIVERSITY IS A MEME
TRADE SCHOOL IS A MEME
THE ONLY WAY TO ACTUALLY BECOME SUCCESSFUL AND HAVE A CHOICE IN YOUR LIFE IS TO FORCE YOURSELF TO TAKE CHARGE OF YOUR OWN LIFE
PICK A LOCATION, GO TO IT, GO HOMELESS. MOVE UP YOURSELF, DO NOT RELY ON ANYONE. CUT OFF ANYONE THAT LEECHES OFF OF YOU.
IT'S HARD AT FIRST, BUT THEN IT BECOMES GLORIOUS. JUST LEAVE HOME AT 18 WITH NO PLANS, IT'LL CHANGE YOUR LIFE FOR THE BETTER.
>>77699163
>muh survivorship bias
I'm 31 and live at home. I'm finally getting my own apartment in about 2 months and I'm so excited. I'm gonna get so much pussy now.
>>77699083
If you're honestly happy with being single and also with your parents' living regime (dinner time, television schedule, noise limits, cant have mates over whenever, no privacy etc etc) then sure living at home is fine. For the rest of us though, paying rent is worth while.
>>77699286
>survivorship
Life gets VERY simple when you have a choice between acquiring food and literally starving to death in the streets, mate.
>>77699163
This is quite possibly one of the most retarded things I've ever read.
I dont know what its like in Aus but it's barely even possible to sleep on the streets in the UK its so fucking cold. And when you get sick don't expect doctors attention because you cant register with the NHS unless you have a home address.
You will literally fucking die unless you're legit homeless and have no family.
>>77697524
Muh tendies
>>77699551
It gets down to 15C here, you can easily survive it with a fucking jacket mate.
>>77694302
All the people here saying that the whole "Moving out is a western Boomers meme" are right
I know family members who live with their Parents into their 40's despite having jobs and education
>>77699639
Cunt it was -3 last night.
>>77699678
Yes you colossal cockgobbling fagtron, it's the middle of winter.
Let me tell you about being 33 and living in your parent's basement.
I might as well just off myself. I shitpost on 4chan. I shitpost on reddit. I try to read books on AI, mathematics, logic, etc. I'm much STEM with 4 degrees and good at those things, right? Yeah, but I never finish them. Getting a job feels like a "waste" of all the time I've "invested" in being a neckbeard basement dwelling degenerate. I've gotten a handful of jobs. I am excellent at my work. But they've always been short-term jobs and I'm too much of an introverted autist to even ask for a reference, so I often get embarrassed applying for new jobs where I can't offer a single one. Stuck in this viscous cycle for over a decade. Just felt like I'd warn any of you going down the same path.
>>77699772
You sound like a faggot, you should pursue a career in getting fucked on film.
>>77699868
Probably routine for A FUCKING LEAF
>>77699772
Go to church and force yourself to interact with other people.
If I can make it than you can too, Anon.
20 year old here, still living at home. Nobody I know in my age group has moved out. Housing in this country is a mess. Our parents/grandparents got lucky, when 400,000 homes were built per year in the 50s and 60s, now there's less than 100,000 built each year and the population is growing rapidly. It's crazy.
>>77699376
I don't mind living at home though, unlike others I know. I help out with cooking and cleaning and other tasks when needed. I can cook what I want and watch TV in my room, I like it quiet and not noisy, we respect each other's privacy too. Only bad thing is no pets allowed, I'd like a dog, but again, if I lived on my own I'd probably have less money and time available.
I don't see much point in moving out, like >>77694528
said, it used to be normal. I don't spend much and I'd prefer saving my money or giving it to my family than some landlord cunt.
>>77700665
idk what it's like in America but churches here are pretty much empty most of the time, only old and married people go
>>77694528
This. So instead of living under one roof and sharing the bills. The Jew has incentivized splitting up the home. Now you have two homes in the family to pay bills on. Add to that, everyone has their own cell phone now, which is like twice as expensive as an old landline. Then when your kids move out, they end up spending 70% of their income on basic bills that wouldn't even be needed if they stayed at home. They could pool the money for home improvements or vacations or something. But our current system siphons all the money off to the kikes (and their wannabes).
Practically it makes sense to stay at home post education to save up money, etc.
But let's not get it mixed up, a secondary and maybe more prominent reason to the economy is the fact that millenials are failing in life and increasingly reclusive.
>>77703317
>millenials are failing in life
Yeah, because the safety net and strong economic base (full employment, free university) that allowed the boomer cunts to be successful has been slashed over the last 30 years.
>>77703317
They also need mum to wash/fold their clothes ,and provide a steady flow of tendies .
>>77703694
I pay for my own tendies
>>77694302
26 living with mom and grandma here.
Moving is out of the question without a job, and even then I wouldn't be able to save anything due to the rent prices.
>But why don't you just get a job?
Its not like I haven't been trying for the past year or anything.
>>77694302
I think what I do is the most efficient:
I find middle aged rich folk to rent a room from. Basically, this allows me to live in a nice house in the suburbs for way less than an apartment.
Currently renting a room in a huge house. The owner is a 40ish single asian, and he's never here, so I basically have the house to myself.
I make about $50000 a year in salary, but this way gives me awesome living conditions plus I can invest the savings.
>>77694528
It sounds "sad" but i believe this too, If you are not kidding that is, lived from 17-20 on my own, But with "Roommates" in a house, not only was it shekelstein who i saw every month, it was also the uncomfortable feeling of being alone ( even though having drug addicted roommates isnt really quite)
>>77694889
Yeah Yeah, But as that happend in that time aswell, fighting with parents over things, flipping out etc, But they still "lived" together.
I got a (shit) degree, got a job in the city on a service desk that paid ok, started to rent an awful room and had no fucking money what so ever.
Decided to find a job closer to home, moved back home, built a sweet gaming PC and since then saved another 2K, Slowly would like to save and get a mortgage.
>>77696357
The wages already are where i live at, I love how one guy called the moving away a "meme" because that is what it is, Fucking hell, a dude i know literally moved out at 21, not because of a girlfriend, not because of problems, but because he was "Old enough" the dude has a wage of 1150 EU, Rent is 600, Go figure what the rest costs.
>>77699678
>>77699757
I always forget about hemispheres.
It was 102F in Texas yesterday.
Can we trade? It gets annoying when my car is melting.
>>77704723
Your car sounds like a pussy. That's perfect weather.
It was probably bad move from a financial perspective but I love living by myself.
No parents showing up at the worst possible times.
No roomates breaking shit and DUDE WEED 24/7.
I love having a house to myself. Come home after a long days work put on whatever music I want chill with my dog its great.
>>77696357
>wages and prices will be adjusted so you HAVE to live with your parents.
This is only true when there is an over supply of humans compared to resources, if everyone started living at home with their parents house prices would start to come down as the demand falls they currently keep rising because there are more people who want houses than there are houses caused in part by mass immigration. The other bonus of living with your parents is that you don't fall for the usury jew and get a mortgage to pay for inflated housing as a result you have much more disposable income which is better for the economy as your money doesn't get siphoned straight to the top.
>>77694302
31 here. I moved out when I was 18 for college, paid for that by working. Have been on my own since. Really not hard at all. Just make good decisions and work hard.
28, I've mostly been out of parents house since 18. Had dorms/friends apts through college, stayed with parents about 3 months before getting my own apartment. Currently sharing apartment with fiancé, but planning on getting a house in about 2 years.
I would feel like a burden on my parents if I mooched off them as an adult. I've seen a 25 yo manchild throw tantrums at their parents and it is sad as fuck.
It's a sign of the times in America; The government boasts that we are still prosperous and great and there is still opportunity while more and more people can't afford to live on their own, thus they have no choice but to go back home.
If unemployment truly is 5.5%, why are so many modern young adults moving back home?
No way in hell am I paying rent for some Jewlord.
>>77705426
Maybe if you have a blue collar job.
White collars are trapped in the city and have to pay ungodly amounts of rent, it's not sustainable and shit is gonna crash again even worse than the last time
>people have such poor, toxic families that they can't live together as adults without horrible conflicts or regressing to manchildren
Sad 2bh
>>77704804
Blame the Germans, it's an Audi.
Plus in general people WANT to move out.
It's definitely our economy.
It's perfectly fine I suppose, but I was forced to move. My dad just refused to understand where we were living was a dead zone with no work. He struggles so badly but is a stubborn cunt when it comes to making a change.
Came to London and instantly got full time work after years of looking for work near the shithole I was born. No need to drive for over an hour to work and rack up the expenses of running a car either.
I swear this country is so poorly organised because MUH HOME MUH HOUSE PRICES. All the dead towns should be plain evacuated and bulldozed, and industry moved closer together so costs and travel times are lower. God fucking knows why we are so spread out when there is bugger all in most of England, nothing in Wales, nothing in Scotland except for one city, and nothing in Ireland
Are we just gonna let the chinks take over all of the money making?
>>77705713
Pretty much this. I don't care what people think, if living at home and saving money is look down upon then they can fuck right off, I wasn't born into wealth.
>>77705758
I'm in a cube farm bro. I worked blue collar sidejobs and I have hobbies and interests I can make income off of but I commute every day from the suburbs and do my time in my office and commute home. Seriously not that bad.
>>77705786
It is, Not to mention that my mom critices me for working at home ( Youtube) and building everything up from the ground, Making connections with quasi famous people in my country so i can show my face everywhere, Become popular with my music, Yet she doesnt work herself, and talks as if she build everything from the ground up herself aswell with 0% emotion, for shits and giggles i talked to her about the thread, And shes just like, YEAHW?! I HAD TO DO DAT TOOW YA KNOW ?!
she talks as if she is running an empire but is on a disability cheque because her hands are messed up, And all of the lung cancer she has.,
>>77694302
Just a kinda offtopic question: Is renting a house less advantageous there in USA as it is here in Brazil? yet, even it being less advantageous here the people still dream of buying one just to pay alot of interest for the jews banks, people are so brainwashed by the midia to do it.
I moved out like 3 times in my early 20s. I'm 27 now and I hate living with my parents. It's really horrible for a schizoid like myself because I can't be myself. I make 10/hr and for some reason only have saved up 4,000. But I have a few thousand dollars in investments. I think my main problem is that I have 20,000 in student loan debt and I didn't even go to fucking college. i went to a one year film school thing. I was such a dumb 18 year old and now I have to pay for it. At 18 I didn't even think of tuition and I thought my parents would pay for it, because they paid for my sister's full 4-year college. Well apparently I'm stuck paying 150 a month, when I make 1100 a month, so to afford an apartment seems nearly impossible. I have to pay 240 for car insurance (they raised it 70 dollars after I called them and had them lower my coverage by half -- WTF) and 150 for student loan every month. So that's 400 already out, and I have 600 left for food, rent and everything else. It's impossible.
>moved back in with parents after divorce with wife
>they respect my privacy as I respect theirs
>no rent
>awesome meals 24/7
>get to go shooting in backyard again (22 acres of property)
>comfy as fuck
Dating still a little rough, some women don't mind but others dry up fast when they hear the living situation. It's temporary for now but goddamn I expected it to be a lot worse.
Also helps that ex is now begging for me back after the fitness trainer she was fuggin behind my back drunkenly beat the shit out of her one night.
>>77694302
CPA moving back home in two months after finishing grad school here. I'll be 24 in August and have a decent BIG4 job. Saving all my shekels
>>77706438
I mean renting = more advantageous
Here is what i do bought a reasonably sized appartement in a shitty neighbourhood which are cheap as hell compared to rest of city cuz the shitskins ruin everything they touch. work parttime so i still get alot of benefits. No bs with roommates and lots of space for myself cuz usually a single mother nignog with 5 children would live in these.
>>77699551
Man the fuck up pham
>>77706739
>they raised it 70 dollars after I called them and had them lower my coverage by half
holy shit, call them up and fix that shit or get new insurance. That's a whole day's work nigga
>>77696806
>Saved 23,000 in 10 years
>He thinks that's a lot.
>live with parents
>fuck girls in hotels with my excess income a few weekends a month
There's literally nothing wrong with this until I find a woman that is wife material rather than all these dick holsters.
>>77708462
I did this during my internship. I traveled a lot for it and got girls off tinder to come to my hotel that the firm was paying for
>>77708204
>>77694302
meh, my dad was born in 1960 and only moved out of his parents in 1988 when he married my mum and bought a house for them. i was born in 1992 but moved into a rental property my parents own in 2007. Never paid rent as they are wealthy and havn't lived with them since.
>>77698946
Totally agree with things not being as flexible as they once were, unless you consider buying a 150 sq. ft. "tiny house" in a libshit city (San Francisco, etc) "freedom" or getting ahead. Hopefully things will go back to how they once we're, being able to rely on family, sharing costs and responsibilities, and taking care if your kin.
Historically, people have always relied on family for support throughout their lives. People who have had children have relied on the children's grandparents to babysit while they worked to support the family, and supported those grandparents in old age in return. As the European welfare states crumble in the face of crippling multiculturalism and mass migration, we can expect to see more of this yet again. The family will be the only true welfare available to the people.
This is not degenerate, it is a healthy response to uncertain conditions.
What is unhealthy and degenerate is the tendency in the modern youth to become passively dependent on their parents, but if you're a responsible adult working to save up money, you are not one of them.
In my city the absolute cheapest you can rent anything is 850 a month if you want to live in the deep shithole ghetto. Anything half decent is 1600+ a month. I'd rather live at home and save up until I can just buy a cheap house than throw a majority of my income into the trash by renting, which doesn't give you any return at all unlike owning a house. I just pay for my parent's bills for them other than their mortgage and save all the rest of my income
>moved out at 17 to join the Corps because I couldn't stand my family
>put up with 4 years of bullshit
>meet Protestant Christian qt
>move to based Texas with qt and her parents after I complete my contract
>her parents decide to move to Utah and give us the house
>g.i Bill for school and am now married to qt
moral of the story: move the fuck out
>>77694528
They're also very common in the rest of the planet. It's pretty much the default state for civilization, but like the family unit in general it needs to be undermined and subverted to expand the government's grip on society.
Traditionally you wouldn't move out until you married and started your own family.
>>77710343
>Gets free house
>"move the fuck out"
>>77710545
It's not free we're paying for it now. But yes move the fuck out and make your own life, amazing things can happen.
>>77694302
It was only after WWII that it became "standard" to move out of your parents home at 18. Until then you'd have 3 generations in the same home.
And what's so great about your own place?
18 with a shit job, always broke, not able to better yourself because your time is spent just surviving.
Paying good shekels for rent instead of a mortgage.
Don't let the hype fool you- the only people who benefit from moving out early are property owners.
>>77710668
Not for everyone m8
>>77710813
My cousin's family lives together, 7 people under one roof. They don't earn much individually but they pool their money and live pretty well, paid off the mortgage and always going on holidays and never worry about money. Smart move.
>>77694302
>is living with the parents in your 20's the new red pill?
nobody wants to live with their parents.
they do it because housing is way overpriced and jobs are scarce.
stop thinking everything is redpill.
it is literally stupid.
>>77694302
yeah being a basement dweller leeching off of your parents is redpilled as fuck
>>77705927
>I swear this country is so poorly organised because MUH HOME MUH HOUSE PRICES
Regulation is truly the wost evil that ever existed
>>77708836
You're whining because you cant make it without your nanny state.
>>77705787
Funny you say that,the rear view mirror just fell off my A6 last week in the 100 degree weather. The glue just melted.
>>77699041
>Having your degenerate "lads" over on a Friday night so they can spill shit beer all over your floors, vomit in your trash can and annoy your neighbors with loud shitty music
>Watching TV at all
>>77713643
I've never taken any benefits in my life. I can handle myself fine.
>>77705786
this
>>77706756
>Dating
there's your problem right there.
>>77708462
If you associate with degenerate women you will never meet a wife-material woman.
Your lifestyle is distorting your perception of women and sex and at the end of the day it's still probably a waste of money(just less so than living in an overpriced apartment just for >muh pussy)
>>77710343
>put up with 4 years of bullshit
kinda brushed over that point didn't you? So instead of being dependent on your parents and having less freedom you were dependent on the State and had NO freedom
