>be viking explorers c. 1000 AD
>discover the new world
>build cozy settlements
>Skrælings
>run away scared shitless
>500 years go by
>never try to return with more men and better weapons
>get cucked out of Vinland by Britain and France
>The Norsemen retreated. Leif Erikson's half-sister Freydís Eiríksdóttir was pregnant and unable to keep up with the retreating Norsemen. She called out to them to stop fleeing from "such pitiful wretches", adding that if she had weapons, she could do better than that. Freydís seized the sword belonging to a man who had been killed by the natives. She pulled one of her breasts out of her bodice and struck it with the sword, frightening the natives, who fled.
I've heard a few reasons for this.
First, the Vikings had difficulty penetrating deeper in to North American land because of fear of Indian attacks.
They also had no established trade connections or routes in the New World and it was difficult for them to acquire products that was more easily accessible in the old world from which they came. In Norway, Iceland and even Greenland, getting a shipment of goods was always possible and they had connections to people of common ancestry and language to help.
In the New World things were tough as fuck even though the land was prosperous because they were isolated to a fairly small location, knew little about the land and were threatened by Indian hostilities.
>>77693693
Is it also true that, because the settlers of Iceland and Greenland were banished outlaws, they couldn't even go back to Scandinavia, tell everyone about the New World, and get help?
Too far away for the Norwegian trading fleet to reliably keep them supplied.
>>77694053
They were completely dependent on Norwegian supplies. Greenland failed when the German Hansa fleet gained dominance in the Atlantic and didn't bother going further than Iceland.
The black death was one hell of a drug.
>>77694053
I've heard this isn't true for North America, only Iceland. And even in the case of Iceland most people weren't legit criminals. Iceland even put up their own system when the island and its population became big enough, where outlaws were banished from towns and forced to live in the wilderness, and if you've ever been to Iceland you will know that surviving in the wilderness there is virtually impossible for more than a few days tops.
>>77694892
It's stated several times in the Sagas that the violent natives were one of the main reasons they left.
>>77693693
Didn't the Eskimos of Greenland kick the absolute shit out of early Viking raiders, and there were many consequent skirmishes between the two?
>>77695389
Yes.
Here is an accurate visual representation of what happened.
>>77693407
When the going gets tough, chop a titty off
>>77695389
Greenland as a colony lasted for hundreds of years. See
>>77694892
>>77695389
Not just in Greenland. They had bad encounters with the native american indians further south.
>>77695389
No, the Eskimoes were peaceful and passive. Indians were aggressive sadists.
>>77695518
Fucking Eskimos, they'd sell they're own souls for a warm meal
>>77695518
>>77695627
>>77695629
>>77695660
All this begs the obvious question.
What the fuck was so deeply wrong in the heads of native Americans?
what ive been told is that they traveled east specifically to find monsters and dragons to slay and they just found a bunch of manlets with bows and arrows and got disappointed
why raid native americans and steal their furs when you can raid france and take their gold
>>77693364
Because the vikings were the literal niggers of Europe without a single strategic thought in their head besides "gibsmedat"
>>77696060
fuck i meant west obviously but they traveled east aswell obviously and found fuck all
>>77696138
still, literally a millenia later, still butthurt, still cucked
>Hostile natives
>Climate getting colder, making it harder and to live there and also harder to stop and resupply at greenland
>Disease depopulating the home countries and leaving room for people to move back
>The people who went to Iceland and Greenland had problems with the king or other people. When the king died they could move back or their kids could just move back when they grew up.
Settling foreign land it pretty hard, it didn't go so well for the first anglos either.
It is possible that the Vikings found the last remnants of Atlantis and that they suicided shortly after due to some shenanigan mindcontrol artifact the antlantians placed in their holy grounds. This artifact forced anyone who gazed upon it to suicide unless they uttered the greeting "Uhuru" shortly afterwards.
>>77695874
Hard to say.
My guess is that the size of North America and the favorable climate, coupled with a relatively large population, led to the formation of many different competing tribes. This ultimately meant that the Native American 'cultures' developed an extremely aggressive nature because of its constant conflicts with other tribes and their struggle for territory. We already know of the many Indian genocides in America where tribes literally went in and tortured the entire population to death.
In Greenland (and the north of Canada, etc) the climate was extremely harsh and difficult, and as with much of Northern Europe, cooperation and a society governed by set rules and laws was necessary to survive. Therefore the Eskimos had a much more passive approach to strangers and was not as aggressive -- because they did not consist of many different large and aggressive tribes that were competing for land & resources.
>>77693364
>why did Vikings give up the new world
Climate change
>>77695518
That reminds me, my shadow priest has still to get her fishing pole.
>>77696175
>y-you're just mad that my ancestors were barbarian snowniggers
okay
>>77696480
That didn't stop the natives.
>>77696480
This. I spent hours in the past reading about Greenland settlements. Global temperatures was much warmer at the time and they pretty much lost contact and died out when it got cooler towards the end of the middle ages.
>>77696432
>Therefore the Eskimos had a much more passive approach to strangers and was not as aggressive -- because they did not consist of many different large and aggressive tribes that were competing for land & resources.
Yep.
The Eskimos got their most of their food from the sea. You just went out on the ice and stabbed a seal when it came up to breathe or you speared a whale. Lots of food in the sea, not as much competition as for deer, elk, turkeys and things like that. They probably had more need for trade goods and stuff to.
>>77696775
Why were the arctic natives so expansive and arguably more advanced than most other North American natives in the first place? Whereas other North American tribes (save for central American tribes) were mostly just doing literally fuck all in small areas of the woods, Arctic tribes expanded the entire north coast, various islands, and even hints of them on the north coast of Russia.
Why is this? Aren't trees far more sparse that far north?
>>77696603
Youre mad that you nation still has a queen, aka "norse overlord".
You saxon plebs are pathetic.
>>77697241
as a proud man of norman descent I think we were perhaps too hard on the germanic plebs
>>77693364
Why they would?
The new world was shit and they couldnt establish decent trade routes nor build decent settlements without trade.
The nordic Europe was better in every way
>>77697141
They weren't killing themselves. See>>77696432 >>77697075
Also the eskimos all traveled to canada from Asia, not the other way around. The Russians/Siberians/Mongols are their ancestors.
>>77697141
Because there where literally nothing there except a few dorsets that didn't even have the bow and arrow. They where also all ready declining.
>>77697565
>Also the eskimos all traveled to canada from Asia
I know this, but there's also evidence of eskimos crossing the arctic ocean to Siberia.
>>77697543
>The new world was shit
They wrote in the Sagas about how prosperous and fertile the land was. Hence "Vinland."
>>77697241
But I love the queen. I fully support the royal family, regardless of the fact they have 1% barbarian blood.
>>77697833
>They wrote in the Sagas about how prosperous and fertile the land was. Hence "Vinland."
They also named greenland greenland because they wanted more people to settle there so you should probably take those sagas with a cup of salt.
But it was during the medieval warm period so it was probably a lot more pleasant there then.
>>77696775
>natives
You're talking about a loss of supply lines as well. The medieval warming period was coming to an end and the little ice age was building. It may have not been a cause, but it was likely an accelerator. Same as when the Roman warming period came to an end and the cold forced the hordes south.
>>77697833
I mean that the infrastructure was shit, much more worse than the old world
>>77697141
You get your ideas of North American natives from post contact histories. Pre-Columbian exchange, the North American Natives had multiple different societies. Some of which went warlike only after the plagues wiped out their ancestral memory. Some went warlike only after the Europeans gave them guns.
>>77696138
That's funny, because Anglos being niggers is literally the reason why Norsemen started raiding your island en masse.
Curly haired dark-skinned wops with no warrior culture.
>>77697503
Norsemen are Germanic you fucking pleb.
>>77696175
>>77699122
>>77698815
All humans are warlike. It's a liberal meme to suggest natives were peaceful.
>>77695629
BUNDA
>>77697565
all the natives from south and north america are just eskimos that migrated to these places.
>>77693364
>>discover the new world
That didn't happened. Tecnically not even Columbus discovered shit. It wasn't until the first decade of the 16th century until we realized it was a new continent.
>>77700251
>some autistic french manlet took the time to compile every battle the vikings lost that he could get his swarthy hands on
>still butthurt over the fact that his nation had to pay fucking rasom money in order to be spared the fury of the norsemen
Twenty two battles means jack shit if you have to hand over your land at the end of the day.
>>77700308
I'm not suggesting they were peaceful. Not intentionally anyway. I'm saying there were great societies which lived in relative peace.
The SECC stretched from Florida to Illinois in cities with populations in the tens of thousands. They were the "mound builders" wiped out from disease so quickly two generations removed were nomads who didn't know where they came from.
The Pawnee were migrant agriculturalists before getting Spanish horses. After that they turned into the Mongols of the New World.
The Iroquois Confederacy lived in peace with each other before getting European guns. Then they started killing each other for better hunting grounds.
Living in peace in relative civilization doesn't equal a peaceful nature.
>no livestock except llamas
>a million miles away on shitty boats
why bother? really
>>77700763
Beware of the furious Norsemen
>>77693364
Probably because all the fucking american natives were aggressive as fuck. If the spanish lads didn't had gunpower they could've been killed easily.
Good luck they didn't found the aztecs.
>>77702722
And the Inca weren't retards.
>>77703186
Well, they were too trusting of Pizarro and Atahuallpa got heavily cucked. I guess that's what you get when you trust too much on other people in a continent full of savages.
>>77700251
>This Finnigger again
WE WUZ RUSSIANS AND SHEEEEIIIIIT
Go be irrelevant rapebaby somewhere else.
>>77703508
The Civil War didn't help, but it was still their trusting attitude of guys who just got done with a 700 year long battle to retake their home land.
They got bored.
>>77696485
they're going to be so fucking good in legion
If I had a time machine I'd go back to what.. 980 AD? Before he left on the major expedition??
I'd tell him to bring a fuck ton of people, thousands of people and hundreds of ships. I wish that would've happened DAMMIT!!!
>>77704287
Erikson I mean
>>77695389
Nah I think it's technically true but not like they had warfare and were forced to leave with their tails tucked more like a few Vikings got iced in a distant land and they just decided it wouldn't be smart to stay in such an area
>>77695388
Its true, i remember reading that they were friendly at first but the relationship soured and viking had to leave because they where dependent on trade with the natives.
>>77700112
They split off by 3000BC try again my inbred friend
>>77696392
>shenanigan
>>77693364
or maybe they were wiped out my someone/something
"Last week, a team of researchers led by noted “space archaeologist” Sarah Parcak announced they have identified what they believe is a second Norse settlement in Canada using infrared images taken by satellites hovering some 400 miles above Earth. Located on the southwest coast of Newfoundland, on a patch of ground known as Point Rosee, the site is 300 miles south and west of L’Anse aux Meadows, indicating that Vikings may have traveled much more extensively in the New World than was previously known."
http://www.history.com/news/satellite-technology-suggests-new-viking-site-in-canada
>>77693364
Why would smart people go play house with various ugly dumb browns? It was a disastrous idea that was doomed from the start
>>77693364
They were genocided by the native populations
>>77698484
>They also named greenland greenland because they wanted more people to settle there so you should probably take those sagas with a cup of salt.
>But it was during the medieval warm period so it was probably a lot more pleasant there then.
I don't need to take anything with a cup of salt because modern day Nova Scotia, New Brunswick, and parts of Newfoundland are full of fertile farmland. New Brunswick is where the wild grapevines were, and they still grow grapes there today.
>>77703733
>"Oldest" kingdom in Northern Europe
>Spans over an area the size of a speck of birdshit
>>77700536
The native indians in the north and south migrated over much earlier than the eskimos. The eskimos are relatively new to the land.
>an actually informative and interesting thread about vikings
>on /pol/
What the fuck is happening
Climate Change.
things got colder and greenland became unlivable for the Scandi scum. though the native inuit lifestyle in greenland was still viable. the scandis didn't want to change, so they just went back to Iceland.
t. sami
>>77693364
That particular journey to Vínland happened by chance to be documented by the Christian scribes who wrote the Sagas.
There is no reason to assume it was the only trip especially considering archaeological evidence.
One theory claims the north american native population was already in rapid decline when Columbus arrived because of undocumented explorers spreading disease.
>>77696138
They did give your country the dick though. Bet you liked it.
>>77693364
Lets talk about the greenland vikings
They were dumbfucks
They struggled to live sustainable in a nearly desolate environment. Heres the kicker: the natives not only lived there, but they thrived because they hunted seal and fished. The vikings??? Nah, they thought bringing CATTLE of all creatures would be sustainable. The cattle overgrazed, the land turned to shit, they couldn't produce any products or fuel to warm themselves. Even the mainland refused to trade with those greenland viking jackass's at some point. Why? What happened? The dumbfucks were too proud of themselves and refused to fish because they thought it was below them, and in viking culture the cows were manly to eat and honored to have.
Perfect example of an unsustainable culture with the environment.
What if the Vikings had stayed in North America?
>>77693364
The journey between Iceland and Vínland is hard and seasonal. The small colonies in Vínland would become dependent on natives for trade and die out when the natives died from the diseases.
>>77706211
We do have the odd /hist/ thread that's actually good on this board now and again
>>77693407
Hard as fuck
>>77707664
Ultimately, it would probably have been a bad thing. It would probably consist of a bunch of different countries.
The U.S would not exist there which I think would be bad for world balance as a whole. The U.S and the Constitution are extremely important pillars of Western philosophy etc.
>>77707664
That would mean that english and french wouldnt colonize it, but nords, really makes you think, such a complex thing can't be made up.
>>77693364
blame the jew on a stick!
>>77693364
I think the crown just straight up couldn't afford to keep the colonies growing so they had to bail. that's the theory anyways
>>77697833
everything is fertile compared to scandinavian rocks
>>77697833
>everything is fertile compared to scandinavian rocks
>>77710217
Meant for >>77708352
