Why do atheist movements always turn into SJW cults and implode?
Atheism is literally autism
>>77657268
Because Atheism does not have a set of belief systems and borrows it's morality from a general consensus. Which can be viewed as wrong and then changed. Which is why it is so easy to hijack and use for any political purpose.
>>77657268
Because atheists are vulnerable to demons. Demons quickly obsess their minds and turn them into SJW-jihadists or open satanists. And besides, despite their autism, they really desire to get laid with SJW chicks.
>>77657601
Fpbp
>>77657268
Religion is a spook, comrade
>>77657724
Just say /thread you fucking mongoloid. Get out of here with your shitty ass acronyms I'm sick of this shit.
>>77657765
>hooded spoopy anarchshit
Cringe to the max
>>77657765
Sure-sure, why are you using satanic star as your main symbol then? And why are you believing in "equality"?
>>77657765
anarchists and gobbuminisismists portrayed as anything besides a dumpster fire, got me to giggle a bit
>>77658108
no
and
no
>>77657268
>Believing in a magical illution of salvation and inmorality backing you up is normal and healthy.
How are we autistic when you believe in something you have no evidence of it's existence?
>>77657268
Soviet scientific atheism didn't turn into SJW cult.
>>77657268
because SJWs take things people are enjoying and fuck the, up.
that's wh atheism and gaming and movies and whatever else your hobby is.
they're even doing it to Christianity. look up "the christian left" and prepare to cringe
>>77658384
Jesus existed. All of the evidence points to a global flood actually occurring. Nazareth was a real place. But most of all, we just know.
>>77658021
I agree, anarchists are pretty fucking cringey
>>77658608
Exept, you are wrong.
Atheism is just not having a belief.
It is not a cult, group nor anything of the sort that wishes to "disprove" your God.
I am just asking you for evidence.
Since YOU have to burden of proof.
>>77658748
Atheism is still a belief.
>>77657601
>>77657765
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82XPMHSPqko
>>77658748
That's just the cop out atheists make because they are cowards who can't defend their beliefs.
>>77658644
>all evidence points to a global flood
Lol
They believe god is not real with no evidence but also there is no evidence god is not real, so its literally cancer.
>>77658748
what? your comment has nothing to do with my comment.
i'm talking about how sjws fuck up whatever they can, not about whether there's god.
>>77658994
What are you talking about? Atheism is saying "There is no god" It's not asking for your opinion, and if an atheist ignores you when you try and make them christian it's because you're annoying or weird.
>>77658864
It's not a belief in a god or gods.
>2016
>not being apatheist
just.
>>77658644
Jesus is a name, and that report has been debunked long ago.
There is literally no evidence of such flood. And all scientific facts do point out that its stupidly unlikely for any of the events to have happened.
And, you'll have to present some legit proof of what you believe in is real, bexause you say it's real.
The only way to get rid of the burden is to admit that you have no idea that God exists and you are convincing yourself that he does to avoid consequences of your faults and have a very doubtful moral standard for life.
Aka, Killing people that do not share your beliefs, homosexuals, misthreat women, bash science and have a position of power ovwr others.
You are literally fooling yourself to have power.
Anon, i can help you.
You are not alone.
I know you are insecure and you need to feel safe, we can talk this over.
I felt the same as you, but i want to live my life as best i can by my own effort and faults.
You don't have to hate anyone anymore.
You do not have to fool yourself anymore.
>>77658644
There's no proof Jesus was a real person.
There is some vague proof that the earth was covered in mostly water at one point, but no real evidence of a flood the way the bible puts it.
Atheism actually correlates with autism and by extension an inability to understand complex metaphors or philosophical ideas.
Atheists actually made me believe in God. All you have to do is look at their shitty lives. It's really all the proof you need.
>>77658644
>Jesus existed.
A person having a common Hebrew name lived in that region and had a following like a lot of other people did back then when messiah cults popped up all over the place. Nobody's denying that.
>All of the evidence points to a global flood actually occurring.
Where's that stone layer we could observe all over the planet that speaks of such a thing happening at the same time?
>Nazareth was a real place.
So was Troy, that doesn't mean stories referencing the place are automatically true in every aspect. Otherwise you'd be worshipping Zeus.
>But most of all, we just know.
Not an argument.
>>77657268
Because atheists are more likely to be leftist and are already a somewhat fringe group making it easy for tumblrites to fit in.
>>77659194
Exactly. The faggot I was replying to was saying that atheism is "a lack of a belief" in a pathetic attempt to avoid the fact that burden of proof lies on the person making a claim.
>>77659299
>There's no proof Jesus was a real person
Please find one accredited historian who in a peer-reviewed work of historiography has suggested that Jesus didn't exist.
>>77659372
Math and Science are more important anyway.
>>77659372
>philosophical ideas
you mean like being teleported to another dimension where you live with all your friends and family forever?
maybe its just my autism that finds that fucking retarded
>>77659407
Plenty of atheists that lead great lives. Don't be ignorant.
>>77659372
More like reject emotions that support an idea with no substance.
>>77659472
Find me evidence that Jesus exists, show me the burden of evidence, and then ill attempt to debate with you about it.
Good luck.
>>77658864
LACK of belief. None.
>>77657268
Because non-austist atheists don't proselytize
>>77658644
>All of the evidence points to a global flood actually occurring.
>But most of all, we just know.
>>77659536
I mean in general, to say most atheists arent miserable fuck is denying reality.
>>77659095
Why would I need evidence to show god has no evidence?
>>77659630
If you claim he exists, you instantly have the burden of proof.
>>77659638
>Says there is no God
>Repeatedly butts into the conversation of religious threads like Christianity general
>Lack of belief
will this meme never end?
>>77659708
(Citation needed)
>>77659716
God has no evidence of what?
>>77659407
There are christians dying of hunger in your streets right now.
>>77657268
Cults?
>>77659708
Um, that's a generalization and it's not true at all, do you know how dumb you sound?
>most people who browse 4chan are miserable.
No, that's not true
>most people who play video games are loser virgins
nope...not true either
see where this is going?
>>77657268
They somehow think that in currentyear in the west it is cool and rebellious to be an atheist but don't notice that most people around them are atheists too.
>>77659740
I'm saying there is no proof Jesus -ever- existed. Please show it to me, i'm not saying that to be confrontational, i mean PLEASE show it to me.
>>77659740
Nobody gives a shit if you believe or not, however, you are the one who made the claim that he doesn't exist, therefore the burden of proof lies on you.
>>77659708
Self delusion and removing responsibility for your status in life reduces stress. Intellectual homesty is hard and stressful.
Your argument is a fallacy, which illustrates my point. Being happy doesn't mean your right.
>>77657268
Only in Amerifat.
Atheists are useally quiet normal here in Scandinavia.
>>77659777
If he says God does not exist, that's HIS claim.
Atheism is the lack of belief.
And you still do not have evidence.
>>77659842
Well, you guys follow a doctrine and a baseless belief.
>>77659930
I have not said God doesn't exist.
Well, the chrsitian God does not exist.
But there could be someone far greater than us up there somewhere.
Maybe.
Who knows?
>>77659927
Come on man, we can help each other go thru this life without fooling outselves with false power and hatred.
>>77657268
because atheism is a religion that attracts the worst of the worst
>>77659260
>>77659299
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/evidence-for-a-flood-102813115/
http://www.earthage.org/EarthOldorYoung/scientific_evidence_for_a_worldwide_flood.htm
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/evidence-suggests-biblical-great-flood-noahs-time-happened/story?id=17884533
http://creation.mobi/startling-evidence-for-noahs-flood
http://www.icr.org/geological-strata
https://answersingenesis.org/the-flood/global/worldwide-flood-evidence/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus
http://www.bethinking.org/jesus/ancient-evidence-for-jesus-from-non-christian-sources
http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/people-cultures-in-the-bible/jesus-historical-jesus/did-jesus-exist/
>>77659930
You need evidence something is real before you can disprove it. You're committing logical fallacy Evidence of absence you moron.
You cannot prove nor disprove unicorns either.
>>77659930
Ok then what do you say to an agnostic?
>>77659419
Called the cretaceous layer you dumb dumb. Present on every single continent.
>>77659930
>Asking Christians to prove God exists
>>77659930
>Asking atheists to disprove God's existence
It's an esoteric kind of meme by this point.
>>77657268
New Atheism was swallowed up by feminism several years back, remember elevator gate? Leftists like to absorb other progressive positions into themselves and warp them further to the left. Then they wear them like badges.
That said most atheists who aren't just bandwagon leftists don't identify themselves in general, we only bubble up into the general awareness every once in a while.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODz7kRS2XPs
>>77660057
wh...what?
Hatred?
What are you doing?
>>77657949
FPBP
/thread
>>77659665
>MFW zero evidence of a great world flood.
>MFW Noah's Ark would be structurally unsound
>MFW Two of every animal on earth managed to get on board.
>>77659777
>States Atheism is a belief system
When will this meme end?
>>77659708
Why would I be miserable? We have so much to explore and understand. Sure, I will die one day, but i'm not going to delude myself that I'll live in eternal happiness.
>>77657268
atheists are religious just like neo puritan sjw's
>>77657655
>Demons quickly obsess their minds and turn them into SJW-jihadists or open satanists.
I'm really lucky in terms of what targeted me during my atheism phase.
>>77660057
Atheism is, and will always be a belief.
Agnosticism is a lack of belief, and even then most "Agnostics" are just cowards who don't want to state their real beliefs to avoid conflict.
>>77660079
It's not a religion, a religion requiers a deity in which to belive.
>>77657268
/r/atheism is one of the saddest places on earth. I almost rather /b/ or /r9k/
>>77660095
It isnt entirely unreasonable to say some intelligence started the universe somehow, since we have no real explanation for why anything exists.
>>77660080
bunch of biased articles and wikipedia sources about a legend.
Can you begin to use English to explain why these articles prove Jesus existed?
Google.com can generate just as many articles saying the opposite.
>>77657268
Atheists are autistic for the same reasons religious people are autistic.
>>77660189
http://www.today.com/video/today/54805259
You don't know anything about anything apparently.
>>77659630
Tacitus, Josephus, The Gospels
But you're fighting a losing battle. Literally no historian supports the Jesus myth theory. It's been discredited for hundreds of years. Mainstream thought is just playing catchup with academia.
>>77660080
>biblicalarchaeology.org
>earthage.org
>creation.mobi
laughinggirls.jpg
>>77660285
It's not unreasonable to say that your belief is unreasonable either.
Neither of us are being unreasonable, it's a pointless debate, the existence of a god is a personal choice. There's no facts.
>>77660095
I'm actually stating that I don't give a shit if you believe or not, and if you are ever going to truly win an argument over religion, which means convincing the other person, you need evidence of your own.
>>77660250
Agnotism is be oblivious of the existenxe of a God.
And Atheism is the lack of a belief in God.
Agnostics are Atheists.
>>77660288
Read them. Virtually every historian in the world will tell you Jesus of Nazareth was a real person. Even skeptics.
>smithsonian is biased
Just read the articles. I don't need to justify anything further to you. If you would deny scientific fact because of where it is written you are a dishonest retard and are biased yourself.
>>77660410
No, you obviously cant say either for certain, so being committed to one is absurd. Agnostic
>>77660405
Those were written 200 years after Jesus died.
There are plenty of historians that don't believe in Jesus. I don't really know where you get this idea that historians believe Jesus was fact when there is literally no credible evidence, but it's patently false to make that claim.
>>77660371
>Ship built with modern supplies and tools.
>Hurr durr don't know anything.
>>77660406
I'll dent scientific fact because of where it is written.
Cool story you illiterate underage baboon.
>>77660481
Except for the fact that most Agnostics know about God, heck basically everyone on the planet does.
People started calling themselves agnostics to distance themselves from the cancer that is atheism.
>>77657268
Atheism is a religion just like Christianity they just replace god with science
>>77660371
Faggot that shit cant hold 2 of every animal and it doesn't prove a global flood.
>>77660431
There's no winning an argument about or over religion. It's a personal choice, but don't get delusional thinking there are facts here.
Atheism is just as real as your choice to believe in a super saiyen. I don't discredit either and i don't care to try and convince you because theres nothing to convince you of.
>>77660623
Atheists can also know about the differwnt Gods.
They just so not believe in them.
Agnostics do not know if a God exists or not.
>>77660584
We can't even reconstruct the pyramids. They were built before the Ark.
You are a special kind of idiot.
>>77660406
>YOU GOYS HAVE NO SOURCES
person post sources
>THOSE SOURCES ARE INVALID BECAUSE THEY DISAGREE WITH ME
>>77660671
Atheism is a religion like chastity is a sexual position.
>>77660557
>denies the overwhelming scientific evidence that disagrees with him
>calls other people retards for not falling for his Christian """science"""
Sounds about right
>>77657949
Newfag
>>77660674
But it can. They had replicas of animals made. No, the cretaceous period does.
>plan on building a wall
>doesn't filter mexican tripfaggots
Are Americans the biggest cucks ever?
>>77660253
pretty arrogant that you can't see your ideology as religious. Religion is thoughts of life and death imo.
>>77660614
If those were science journals then they couldnt name themselves after creationism because that means they can never accept creation being wrong.
>>77660557
Sir, why don't you stop linking Wikidpedia articles and actually use your own brain to tell me why you think Jesus was real?
Plenty of historians have pointed out how it's just as likely he is a myth. You never needed to justify anything, you just needed to show me proof he was real and you proved you can't read.
Go ahead and keep insulting me and using advanced concepts like "scientific fact" that kind of speech is far outside your intellectual capacity.
Good luck :)
>>77660567
Nobody can say either for certain, doesn't matter what you believe, none of it is provable.
>>77657268
Atheism is the easiest religion to bait
>>77660235
Me too, my demons just made me a communist and a sexual pervert (not THAT far as picrelated though). But since I reacquired my faith in January 2016 I don't fap anymore. Now I don't even have "wet dreams", pollutions simply happen without any sinful images.
>>77660693
Look, if atheists just stayed alone, neutral about their "lack of belief", then nobody would give a shit except maybe mudslimes. However, no, they have to force their euphoria on everyone, in virtually every website where there is the slightest discussion of religion.
>>77660134
Is there a rabbit fossil in there? Perhaps a human or two?
>>77658335
Need an edit where the USA is on fire and the soldier is asking the politician why the government is now poor
>atheists
>But the $85 a month just touches the hem of rationality. After the neophyte passes through the successively more expensive ‘Darwin Circle’ and then the ‘Evolution Circle’, he attains the innermost circle, where for $100,000 a year or more he gets to have a private breakfast or lunch with Richard Dawkins, and a reserved table at an invitation-only circle event with ‘Richard’ as well as ‘all the benefits listed above’, so he still gets a discount on his Richard Dawkins T-shirt saying ‘Religion — together we can find a cure.’
>The website suggests that donations of up to $500,000 a year will be accepted for the privilege of eating with him once a year: at this level of contribution you become a member of something called ‘The Magic of Reality Circle’. I don’t think any irony is intended.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2014/08/the-bizarre-and-costly-cult-of-richard-dawkins/
>>77660717
Atheists believe there are no Gods. That's just how it is. Arguing semantics is pointless. A lack of belief is also a belief, its just that you don't think about the fact that you believe the martians did not do 9/11 very often.
>>77660916
Look, if Christians just stayed alone, neutral about their belief then nobody would give a shit except maybe mudslimes. However, no, they have to force their salvation on everyone, in virtually every website where there is the slightest discussion of religion.
>>77658892
nice
>>77660852
Was Buddha real?
>>77660916
I can say the same about most Western religion, Christianity can be -very- hostile and overbearing towards others, especially mormonism.
I also find that Christians like to get their beliefs everywhere, keep them to yourself please.
>>77660947
Possibly. We have very few fossils. Mostly bits and pieces. Mostly marine animals. All mammalian fossils we possess came from the ice age. Excavating thousands of tons of rock is not easy. Finding fossils is incredibly difficult.
>>77660288
We know the names of the people that undoubtedly existed who claimed the existence and miracles of Jesus.
The burden of proof is on the Atheist to prove a conspiracy theory. "The God Who Wasn't There" was a shit documentary with false claims and spin throughout.
>>77659260
Lol jeebus doesn't exist, brb gonna practice voodoo now and sacrifice some boipussy that comes across the border like Adolfo Constanzo some I can get some powers.
>>77660288
>prove your point based on an arbitrary set of rules that I decide and can change at any time oh you can't haha I win
This is why nobody bothers with you retards
>>77661146
shows how much you know retard
mormons are technically Christians
>>77660785
EVERY ANIMAL
>>77661035
>http://www.spectator.co.uk/2014/08/the-bizarre-and-costly-cult-of-richard-dawkins/
Wow, that's sick, never heard of this. I thought all donations are voluntarily.
>>77658892
David Silverman Says "The only difference between us is that I take responsibility for my moral decisions, and you justify your moral decisions by finding a passage in the bible that matches your moral decisions, then say "AHA! Its objective morality!" "
Turek got rekt there you assblasted christfag. The only thing Turek could say was "ACCORDING TO WHO HURRR"
and Silverman said over and over, it's the duty of people to take responsibility for our morality and moral decisions.
Turek is braindead, find better authority figures.
>>77661308
Well, i wish you luck in endless celestial sex.
>>77661263
Well, until you can find some human fossils in that layer you're kinda losing the biblical connection.
Unless you're saying that Moses was in fact a crab.
>>77661070
So you agree that Atheism is just another religion at this point?
>>77661146
Yes, religions do proselytize. The thing is, if you are just "not in a group" as most atheist claim to be, you have literally no reason to invite other people into your not-a-group. It's about as absurd as someone starting a not-sports-team. "Hey guys, do you want to join my not-team? We do nothing!"
>>77661406
David (((Silverman))) huh?
>>77661364
Easily. Five stories tall. I'm not sure how long it is. It could easily fit two of every animal on there.
>>77657268
(leaf)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44ilZq3R900
>>77661146
>>77661495
also
>Mormons
>Christian
Mormons are about as Christian as Muslims.
>>77661304
What are you talking about?
Linking wikipedia articles about a myth, and about the story of Jesus (of which there is no proof the man ever existed) is not evidence at all, and it's certainly not scientific evidence.
You believe in Jesus and a flood, great, science disagrees with you and all it wants is proof and you've been as of yet unable to provide it for the last 500 years. *shrug*
Telling me the gospel is an accurate record is also nonsense, those were written 200 years after he died.
I can't accept this as proof, sorry. Maybe it's enough for you personally, but not for the scientific community.
>>77661472
Fossilization is an incredibly rare event.
>>77661413
I'm no mormon, but that's how it is.
Sure, most of their shit's heretical as hell but if you accept Jesus as your lord and savior you're Christian
>>77657765
>ban religion
>no more Muslims (ISIS and shit)
>no more Jews (oy vey gib shekel)
>no more Christians (muh religious rights)
That's literally over half the world's problems solved.
>>77661622
Was Buddha real?
>>77657268
Atheists tend to be liberal cucks anyways.
>>77661659
I have bad news anon.
>>77661690
Look how good that worked for the worship of Talos.
>>77661622
>hurrf durrf let me keep moving goalposts
Lol.
>>77661495
Christianity is just a group, atheists might get together and play D&D and that's just as valid as you going to cult worship on sunday to partake in cannibalism of crackers and grape juice.
>>77659512
No like neoplatonism. Read a book.
>>77660916
>they have to force their euphoria on everyone
>want to test a method that could potentially cure most diseases
>YOU CAN'T DO THAT YOU'RE MURDERING LITTLE HUMANS
-OR-
>YOU AM PLAY GOD
Your order of events is wrong.
>>77661790
Go ahead and find a single archaeologist saying fossilization is common.
Answer my question you coward.
Was Buddha real?
>>77660852
>Plenty of historians have pointed out how it's just as likely he is a myth
I like you. Throwing away arguments with sources because the sources weren't good enough for you, and then in the very next sentence spewing completely unsourced statements. It shows you have spunk. You're a real character.
>>77661865
What goalposts?
If i ask you for evidence of a unicorn and you link me to the dictionary definition of a unicorn that is reflective of your inherent misunderstanding of what evidence means, it is not changing goalposts.
>>77657765
>>>/leftypol/
Back to ghosttown-chan, laddy.
>>77661895
I don't give a shit what atheists actually do together, the point is that they claim they aren't a group yet pressure people to join their group.
>>77661495
>So you agree that Atheism is just another religion at this point?
What how? I was outlining how laughable your claim is.
>>77661946
Fossilization was actually pretty common, and if the world was covered in a flood sedement would show this. It does not.
If you're wondering why I'm ignoring you, it's because you're not engaging my posts and Buddha is irrelevant to the existence of Jesus as far as I'm aware.
>>77662069
No more than any other religious group does.
So what's the real problem?
>>77662090
By asserting that people not in a group inviting people into their not-a-group is the same as people in a group inviting people into their group.
>>77657268
It does happen too often, I have to admit. Atheist here
>>77659638
>>77660057
>>77660481
>>77660717
>>77660189
Right, just like Christianity is the lack of belief in the lack of belief of God.
You're just playing on semantics. Both mean the same thing.
Atheism is still as much a personally-held belief as veganism, liberalism, and of course, religion, lads.
Poorest excuse to when confronted with the Creator Paradox.
>>77658591
Because it was bs for the working slaves past Lenin.The nomenclature visited churches abroad and bought religious icons and artifacts at home.
>>77662185
>what's the real problem?
More and more fooled and damned souls.
>>77662142
No sources. You the cretaceous is the only fossil layer present on every continent? Hmm I wonder how all of that sediment got there.
You won't answer because you are a coward and realize it would only lead to me exposing your hypocrisy and biased.
Answer the question. Was Buddha real?
>>77662355
>Oh no people go to an arbitrary bad place when they die for being evil !!
Religion and is partner pacifism have been the best excuses for bad people getting away with doing bad things since time immemorial
>>77658644
>Nazareth was...
It is a real place. It never went nowhere. As for the rest...
>>77662185
If atheists just admitted they were a religion, I wouldn't care anymore. If they didn't but also didn't bother mentioning their atheism unless asked, I wouldn't care either.
However, in virtually every corner of the internet, whenever their is rational discussion about religion, there is at least one atheist (usually more than one) who goes on and on about how there is no God, yet also claims they have no beliefs and are not part of a religion.
>>77662142
Also you are blatantly wrong. Fossilization is rare.
http://www.collectingfossils.org/fossilization.htm
Find me an article of a single archaeologist saying it is not rare. You can't.
>>77659419
>stone layer
No, we do however have literature from all cultures speaking of a massive flood.
Jesus did exist, if you concede he existed you concede his divinity.
Read Schwietzers "Quest for the historical Jesus".
The stories of troy are more true than false, no doubt there was a war, a siege, a city, soldiers and leaders of remarkable repute.
>>77660947
Yis, we do.
>>77662142
Sediment would show oil, what do we find.....
>>77662332
Belief requires no evidence. Both an atheist and a religious person can use the lack of evidence to support their claim but that then falls into the burden of proof. Ultimately, the burden of proof falls onto the person who claims it exists, not someone disproving it, otherwise what would be the point?
>>77662626
Read above statement.
>>77662461
I don't provide sources to keep this fair, let's just use logic.
You're telling me that there was a great flood at one time right?
But there is literally nothing that can prove this..mmhmm okie doakes.
I actually have zero idea what Buddha has to do with Jesus, SouthEast Asian culture is incredible complex and completely different, i don't engage it because i know you've got a flimsy at beast argument lined up and requires me to commit to a belief which i choose not to do because i do not know enough about it to do so.
Good luck trolling though.
>>77662743
Find me proof of a flood and we can talk scholarly.
>>77662000
>oh no I've been found out, quick let's be intellectually dishonest, surely this will fool them!
Don't worry, most people grow out of their fedora phase, you'll be okay
>>77662523
You are supposed to be greatest ally. Please don't follow in the footsteps of your blasphemous ancestors and accept your messiah.
imagine a world without religion and niggers
ahhh, kids would probably shift their attention to fucking animals and bestiality rights.
>>77662820
Are you trying to get me to believe something or see a point of view?
>>77662764
As I said, the cretaceous layer, which was formed underwater, is present on every continent.
Come on, just answer. Was Buddha real?
>>77662828
Which one? We had thousands. There are like 10-20 right now roaming the streets.
>atheism is a religion
until you understand why that's wrong you're going to keep getting triggered by our "cult" because we all love making braindead morons take time out of their day to say stupid shit. It's easy and it amuses us.
For example: if atheism is a religion, where are our temples and holy books?
Buddhism is atheistic.
Are all atheists Buddhists?
>>77662813
Already did. I gave you my sources and reasoning. Now back up your claim that fossilization is common or retract it and admit you were wrong. Because you are, and you know you are.
>>77662932
That's not proof of a great flood and certainly not on a time scale that makes any sense whatsoever.
Try again.
>>77662757
The part where you claim that religion is an excuse for bad people to get away with things despite the fact that religion is literally only reason to not fall into complete degeneracy?
I don't see how that disproves anything I said?
>>77662894
A couple of years will pass and the self realization will kick in, I don't have to convince dumb kids of anything
>>77662944
The only one. Jesus Christ.
>>77662983
You didn't provide proof of a flood.
>>77657268
It's usually newly atheists who do that. They can't handle a life without God so they do everything they can to ruin yours too.
They don't allow themselves aly kind of spirituality and they end up falling into the SJW fascist ideology.
>>77663011
Wrong person. Nice try though.
>>77662999
Yes it is. 1. It happened underwater. 2. It is present on every continent. Go ahead and explain how that can happen any other way than the earth being completely under water.
Was Buddha real?
>>77657268
I really want to punch that guy. But I'm trying to get right with the lord.
>>77663028
No actually I'm pretty sure you will sound just as ignorant in 20 years as you do now.
You haven't done anything but attempt insults.
>>77663041
I did. You just deny it without providing any reasoning at all. Nice logic.
>>77663097
Are you seriously going to tell me humans were around 65.5 million years ago?
>>77663147
Please show me where you provided proof, its entirely possible I'm making a mistake.
>>77663128
>the older generation know nothing, I will show them true enlightenment!
Topkek
>>77663029
Talmud mentions 3 different Jesuses. It's very confusing. And the Trinity thingy also confusing. Thanks, I'll stick to the original.
>>77663190
You are assuming dating is accurate. Which it's not. We get various results ranging from a few thousand years, to millions of years. And that is with us also presupposing that, the rate of decay is constant, and the "clock" was set to zero. When we use materials we actually know the age of, we still get various results, but not in such a range as a few thousand to millions of years.
>>77663095
The part where you claim it is laughable to assert that you don't have a belief and are not part of a religion despite the fact that you act exactly like a religion when it comes to proselytizing in that you pressure people to join your not-a-group and adopt your lack of belief?
>>77663338
Age has no bearing on intelligence outside of fundamental development.
>>77657268
Any movement that isn't outright hostile to leftists will eventually be overrun and absorbed by leftists, especially if the main demographic is white men. That is why.
It happened to atheism, gaming, libertarianism and so on and so on.
>>77657268
Because idiots turned it into a movement.
>>77663411
>I don't understand science therefore it's all made up
>>77663259
Go find the post with all of the blue things which are known as links.
>>77663378
Stick to the Tanakh and the New Testament.
>>77657268
Because atheists are without memetic defenses. They fall for the first secular cult that they come across (often marxism).
>>77663411
So science is false now?
It sounds like you need a scientific model to fit your claims, you don't want to use science as it is established to see if your claims are true.
Don't even try this argument, humans were not around in the cretaceous, that would require a huge amount of proof on your part and it's best you just don't bother.
>>77662757
Oh for fucks sake, they're both personal beliefs which can't be proven or disproven.
Can you even think in 8th grade abstract-thought? Believing something isn't there is still as much a personal conclusion as believing something is there in a scenario when neither can be proven.
What? Is thinking there is a chair in an enclosed room a belief while thinking there isn't a chair in an enclosed room solidly a lack of belief? Both mean the same thing, you're just basing your poorly constructed argument on semantics.
>>77663479
Not an argument, everything I said is also fact. Our dating methods are not accurate in any way. Even when we know the age of the material we use for dating.
>>77663499
Yea, that wasn't proof of a flood, what are you doing?
>>77663563
>if I keep repeating it often enough it will magically become true
Explains why you think prayer works too.
Radiometric dating is well-understood (by people other than you, obviously) and not controversial in any way.
>>77663544
Yes, the range of dates vary to incredible degrees, they decided to use the oldest date for some reason, which is stupid. It's also circular.
>we know the fossil on this layer is 50 million years old
>we know this because the layer is 50 million years old
>we know this because the fossil within the layer is 50 million years old
>>77663563
Actually they are pretty damn accurate.
>What is chemistry?
The claim you're making is pretty ignorant to modern science. I'm not saying you are ignorant, but you would be very amazed about what is possible if you believe this.
>>77657268
ah. idiotic loaded question. we haven't had one of those for hours.
>>77663706
Humans were not around even 10 million years ago, science is not that inaccurate.
Prove a flood in the last 3 million years.
one fossil....just one.
>>77657268
Granted a fair few of atheists are nu-males but have you considered that atheism just got hijacked by SJWs?
Sort of how Christianity got hijacked by the feminists-of-the-day Temperance movement?
It's a cycle. At the moment they're entrenched almost everywhere. However, they've been called out and are being jettisoned from a lot of places right now like the cancer they are.
>>77657268
Marxsim, m8.
Many atheists come to atheism because they didn't find religion convincing. However, their movements get hijacked by Marxists who hate religion because they think it's counter to equality.
Leftists hijack the discourse and convince them that because institutions like marriage and the nuclear family are promoted by religion, they should be destroyed.
Thus, a legion of autists who are pathologically concerned with consistency end up as pawns in some mythical class struggle against the patriarchy. It's sad, Anon.
>>77663423
>old people are just backwards bigots, the inexperienced youth know better because my liberal arts professor told me so!
Okay kid
>>77663650
Radioactive decay is based on three crucial assumptions:
1. The number of atoms of the daughter isotope originally in the rock or mineral when it crystallized can be known. In other words, it is assumed that we can know the initial conditions when the rock or mineral formed.
2. The number of atoms of the parent and daughter isotopes have not been altered since the rock or mineral crystallized, except for radioactive decay. In other words, it is assumed that the rock or mineral remained closed to loss or gain of the parent and/or daughter isotopes since crystallization.
3. The rate of decay of the parent isotope is known accurately, and has not changed during the existence of the rock or mineral since it crystallized.
When most rocks or minerals crystallized there were no human observers to determine the original numbers of atoms of the daughter isotopes, to determine that the rocks or minerals have remained closed to loss or gain of parent and/or daughter isotopes, and to determine if the rate of decay of the parent isotope has remained constant. Thus, it logically follows that these assumptions are, strictly speaking, not provable.
Go back to >>>/b/
>>77663706
>what is dating with the half-lives in radioactive decay, which is constant and consistent
Dear lord, you fundies are dense.
>>77663831
No one was around 10 million years ago. For all we know they could have. Fossilization is incredibly rare.
>>77663890
>what are half-lives
>>77663877
Improper quoting, irrational elitism.
You really should not even bother, you're projecting your insecurities and weaknesses onto others. Get psychiatric help.
>>77663937
>>77663890
Cannot prove your assumptions which are necessary in providing what you call "accurate dating".
>>77663890
F-
Retake general chemistry. Specifically focus on radioactive decay sections again.
>>77663890
Except we can know about the initial conditions when the mineral was crystallized, it is safe to assume that atoms don't magically teleport away, and radioactive decay rates are well-understood mathematical facts that you should've learned about in middle school. There's only one of us who belongs in /b/, and it's the one with a 5th grader's understanding of science.
>>77657268
the atheist community is overrun with the lgbt community with their vitriolic hate for christianity which opressed them all their lives and apparently caused the pulse massacre
>>77664050
That which arises from radioactive decay. You didn't understand my post because you don't know what you are talking about. Merely parroting something you heard from someone.
Potassium-Argon and Argon-Argon Methods
Both these methods suffer from the same problems, because they are both based on the radioactive decay of potassium (K) to argon (Ar), a gas which does not bond with other elements. As my opponent pointed out it is assumed the initial quantity of the daughter isotope Ar is not needed because it does not bond easily with other elements and, therefore, when the rock forms all the initial Ar would have escaped. In other words, it is assumed there was no initial Ar at the time of formation. However, many cases have been documented of recent historic lava flows which yielded grossly incorrect K-Ar ages because of "excess argon."
After the 1980 eruption of Mount St. Helens a new lava dome began forming. In 1986, less than ten years after it flowed and cooled, dacite lava from this dome was sampled and analyzed. The lava flow yielded a K-40/Ar-40 "age" of 350,000 years for the whole rock, and the constituent minerals yielded K-40/Ar-40 "ages" up to 2.8 Ma (million years). Similarly, andesite from the 1954 lava flow from Mt. Ngauruhoe yielded K-40/Ar-40 "ages" up to 3.5 Ma. Also, ten Zaire diamonds yielded K-40/Ar-40 "ages" of 6 Ga (billion years) and Ar-39/Ar-40 "age" spectra yielding an isochron "age" of 5.7 Ga. The diamonds could not be older than the earth itself! The obvious conclusion most investigators have reached is that excess argon had to be present and they did not completely degas when these rocks and diamonds formed. Even laboratory experiments have shown that argon can be retained in rocks and mineral at the time of formation. There is also much evidence for argon loss for the very fact Ar does not form chemical bonds with other atoms in a crystal lattice.
>>77662753
>No, we do however have literature from all cultures speaking of a massive flood.
Might have to do with all cultures that bothered to write down shit living either near the ocean or near rivers. That's pretty shitty evidence and if you want to go by it, why follow the Bible and not the Sumerian pantheon (who talk about a flood first)?
>Jesus did exist, if you concede he existed you concede his divinity.
>if you concede he existed you concede his divinity
Why?
>Yis, we do.
This is not the answer to my question. Where are the human fossils in that layer?
>>77664071
>muh feelings
Lol.
>>77664290
Considering that the half-life of potassium-40 (40K) is fairly long (1,250 million years), the K-Ar method cannot be used to date samples that are much younger than 6,000 years old . A few thousand years are not enough time for 40Ar to accumulate in a sample at high enough concentrations to be detected and quantified. Furthermore, many geochronology laboratories do not have the expensive state-of-the-art equipment to accurately measure argon in samples that are only a few million years old.
Whoever ran this experiment clearly demonstrated his inexperience in geochronology when he wasted a lot of money using the K-Ar method on the wrong type of samples.
>>77664139
>>77664197
The avg height reduction for all continents due to erosion is 2.4 in/thousand years, which means North America would be eroded flat to sea level in 10 million years (Journal of Geophysical Research, 69:3395-3401). How can the earth be 4.6 Ga? In addition, the rate of the earth's magnetic field decay has been measured at 5% per century (ESSA Technical Report, IER 46-IES1). Putting the starting strength where it wouldn't melt the earth it could only be decaying for 10000 years. How can the earth be 4.6 Ga?
>>77659236
Wow, I never thought I'd see Turkey as the voice of reason.
Apatheism is the only acceptable belief system in the current year.
>>77664597
The age of the Earth is 4.54 billion years. This dating is based on evidence from radiometric age dating of meteorite material and is consistent with the radiometric ages of the oldest-known terrestrial and lunar samples.
Your pseudo science predictions are nonsense. I don't claim to be a geologist but I'm going to assume this more contrived BS like the argon.
Reminder that the West will stay cuck as long as atheists exist. They are parasites of civilization. See how atheists never started their own civilization, instead they spawn like bacteria in other people's civilization and try to take over.
It'll take either a total financial meltdown or Islam manually butchering every atheist for Western civilization to recover.
>>77664823
Humanity is moving past the need for religion as a basis for society. This is somewhat new and most countries are not old enough to have had the chance to be established in a non-religious fashion, however, The British empire territories of most of Africa and the Middle east which remain today as countries might be an argument that not all countries were established on religion.
>>77657268
>implying Christianity was something other than a SJW cult in its inception
Ewige Jude is a jealous god, and will undermine any sociopolitical group at which he is not the center.
>>77664785
You just can't refute it. I even provided sources, something you can't do. You just like to partake in cognitive dissonance. Diamonds also prove the earth cannot be that old.
Some try to measure age by how much 14C has decayed. Many people think that radiocarbon dating proves billions of years. But evolutionists know it can’t, because 14C decays too fast. Its half-life (t½) is only 5,730 years—that is, every 5,730 years, half of it decays away. After two half lives, a quarter is left; after three half lives, only an eighth; after 10 half lives, less than a thousandth is left. In fact, a lump of 14C as massive as the earth would have all decayed in less than a million years.
So if samples were really over a million years old, there would be no radiocarbon left. But this is not what we find, even with very sensitive 14C detectors.
Geophysicist Dr John Baumgardner, part of the RATE research group, investigated 14C in a number of diamonds. There should be no 14C at all if they really were over a billion years old, yet the radiocarbon lab reported that there was over 10 times the detection limit. Thus they had a radiocarbon ‘age’ far less than a million years! Dr Baumgardner repeated this with six more alluvial diamonds from Namibia, and these had even more radiocarbon.
I'm done though. Both of you cannot actually provide any arguments to my points, so you say I'm illiterate, when you can't even show how I am illiterate either, and when you even try, (pathetically at that) I actually show you how you are wrong. And you huddle up into a ball and say you can't be wrong. But you are. Perhaps one day you will actually view things through an objective lens instead of your crybaby biased.
>>77664992
You are more religious than ANY christian on the earth, just fuckin' admit it. Instead of God you believe in global degeneracy, while bullshitting about "progress" and "equality".
>>77664992
>>77657268
>>77664992
and more PROGRESSIVE atheists
>>77664823
Show me one western leader who is atheist.
>>77665184
I am refuting it, it's a desperate grab for any proof where none exists.
K-Ar dating is incredible flawed and it's not really used anymore.
Using science, there are at least three hypotheses that may be purposed to explain why Austin obtained 'dates' of 340,000 to 2.8 million years from his samples:
Argon gas ('excess' argon) was incorporated into the glass and minerals in the dacite as they formed in the parent melt. The argon failed to degas from the minerals before the dacite solidified.
Because all but one of the dates in the above table are below the 2 million year lower dating limit established by Geochron Laboratories, the dates may be nothing more than contamination artifacts from the mass spectrometer at Geochron Laboratories. The 2.8 million year old date also may have largely or entirely resulted from contamination.
IF the Geochron mass spectrometer was exceptionally clean on the day that thesamples were run (that is, IF hypothesis #2 is not a factor), the dates may be approximately accurate. Even if the absolute values of the dates are highly erroneous, the relative order of the fractions' dates from oldest to youngest may be roughly correct. That is, the various minerals (phenocrysts) in the dacite may have grown in the parent melt at different times and the entire crystallization process may have taken as much as a few million years. Additionally, somewhat older xenoliths and xenocrysts from the surrounding rocks may have been incorporated into the melt as it rose to the Earth's surface.
Of course, you can argue that God, for whatever reason, simply zapped some 40Ar into the various minerals during the 'Creation Week' about 6,000 years ago.
>>77665293
I never said that -ever-
>>77664992
and some obscurant Christians for comparison
>>77665544
Yep, see nothing about diamonds here.
Have a good one my friend.
>>77665544
>>77665510
They are all atheist except Putin maybe. If someone pretends to be Christian it doesn't mean he really is. It is not enough to be baptized, you must seek the truth and fight for it against all odds. Such politician will be selected out on the very first stages of his career for his nonconformity.
>>77657268
Loaded question.
>>77657268
I am atheist and i am not a fucking retard sjw , i dont give a fuck about niggers,cholos or queers, i prefer the right wing
>>77660777
no
oldfag.
>>77665733
You too, i pointed out how your grabbing at dates based on the K-Ar method is flawed and provided way more for you than was necessary, if you want to hold onto data that is basically excepted as flawed and disproven
then continuing the conversation is pointless.
I admit using numbers and chemistry, no matter how flawed will scare most people enough to believe you.
>>77666040
Time to come home, Pablo.
>>77666040
>dont give a fuck about niggers,cholos or queers
>prefer the right wing
You are a muddleheaded underage.
>>77666236
Quit being dishonest at least. Whatever you were talking about had nothing to do with my latest post.
I will leave you with this. Lots of stuff to go over.
http://www.globalflood.org/papers/2003ICCc14.html
>>77666258
>t. Ahmed
Ok Erdogan
>>77657601
>belief systems
>morality
>general consensus
>political purpose
Spooked to shit, tвh. Why should I, as an atheist. assosiate myself with various internet and irl retards and their "morality"?
>>77666385
I was continuing one topic which you never addressed, the K-Ar method in your first post about mt. saint helens was false, i would rather tackle one topic at a time, science is methodical, we can't be shifting goalposts at the rate you want to go, once you see you're wrong with K-Ar we can talk about your amateur grab at carbon-14 dating a diamond.
>>77660915
Lol so iam not the only one since i stopped with looking porn wet dreams stopped and demon rape stopped ..... but its all natural they say
>>77666406
It's less "atheism is wrong", and more that a group of any religion are united by their shared belief in their religion, but a denial of belief is not enough to unite atheists as a group. Because atheism has no social/community/cooperative element to it, one person can stand up and say "I'm atheist because I like snails" and anyone who disagrees with him will not care because him liking snails does not change their atheism, but anyone who agrees about snails can go on to help him form Atheism+Snails and throw themselves into the political arena as atheist allies of snails.
test >>77666666
>>77666837
Those numbers were accurate. Please provide a source that shows otherwise.
>>77666385
Since you left ill post for the archive.
How does one detect C14 in objects? Radiation
.There is some background radiation from other sources, which fluctuates. This means that at some point your radiation from C14 would be less than the fluctuations in background, making it untdetectable. Even if there was no C14 left, you´d get the occassional outlier in background radiation. Generally that´s interpreted as an outlier in background radiation. Unless somebody wants to use this to make a case against C14 dating.
This is why we don't use C14 dating on something old, like a diamond for instance.
>>77667208
They were accurate, but the experiment was incorrect, please re-read the post.
K-Ar dating use was flawed, i explained succinctly.
>>77657268
Internet culture mostly.
Things that inspire anger are factually more likely to spread than things that don't. This results in more fighting. On an individual scale it doesn't matter, but it just builds until you get to levels where 'everyone who disagrees with me is a stupid idiot.'
>>77667319
How the fuck are you claiming Earth age of 4.5 billions gazillions years then?
>>77666944
>and throw themselves into the political arena
Never seen this happen. Name one specific atheist political group that was created and "imploded" under it's own moral relativism.
Also, SJW tend to be atheistic, because the left is generally atheistic. So atheists are actually a very broad group of people with often vastly conflicting ideas about everything else, other than the lack of religion.
