We have a problem, /pol/, how can I support Nazism if I'm Slav and parts of my family were imprisoned or directly killed by Nazis?
>>77623309
Pretty sure Hitler only hated slavs was because of commies.
>>77624512
somebody hasn't read Mein Kampf
>libturds are such cucks!
>>77623309
Hitler didn't hate Slavs, he hated the slavic-tatar/mongol/Altaic/Ugric rapebabies. Ukrainians were given arms, training and the chance to fight the commies, and non-jew/gypsy czechs/poles were seen as races that could be integrated.
>>77625142
I'm Russian.
>>77625142
So, he hated slavs then.
>>77626334
He hated Russians and rightfully so as they are the niggers of the white race.
>>77623309
Why would you support socialists?
Why do you want to be a socialist who believes that Germanic people are the only good people?
>>77624634
What version of mein kampf have you read, bc there's a lot of modified versions.
There's the one that speaks about niggers and Aryan supremacy
and
there's the one were he speaks about racial heterogeneity, nationalism and that everybody must be proud of his heritage, the phenomenon of the jews and nationality
what did he think about Croats? I heard somewhere that Heinrich Himmler believed in the theory that Croats are of Iranian origin.
I'm polish and I support Nazism. I don't give a shit if I'm not considering huwhite enough. That's splitting hairs. The more important factors are all the nogs, beaners, and muzzies overwhelming our countries.
Be a degenerate ukrainian.
>>77627457
which is the original?
>>77627536
>literally would muffle in hear if I saw you in real life
>>77627707
say that to my face faggot not online and see what happens
>>77627515
Hitler liked croatians and Croatians are from the teritory of todays iran, but they are Not the same race
>>77623309
All you have to do to make this work is change the word Aryan with the word European. Then everything fits into place.
This is what I hate about Hitler. He was a retard when it came to Slavs. He could have gotten a lot of support from them especially since a fuck-ton of them hate Commies and Russians. Instead of enlisting their support he suppressed them which is the most retarded thing he could have done.
>>77626874
>bowl of niggers, spics, japs, baguettes and every other shit on the planet
>canada
dont even post, leaf
>>77628726
Mate, I am Russian, that's the problem.
>>77628968
Yea, shut the fuck up canda
>>77628726
This. Thanks to his racist bullshit the eastern bloc got to endure almost half a century of Red/Russian oppression.
Thanks for that, dumbass.
>>77623309
You cant, unless you are into cuckdom. But there are Russian equivalents like nacbols.
>>77623309
Hitler was literally a Slav himself.
>>77629034
Bruh the Soviet Union is long gone. Russians are not Commies anymore.
I said switch the word Aryan with European. If you are Russian, you are European. Russia is doing more to tackle the Globalist threat than the US at the moment.
If this was the 1970s I may have a different opinion but those times are long gone.
>>77627515
Loved them, recruited them and gave them free roam on Serbia as the Ustaše.
Needless to say that may be what contributed to you guys not getting along so well.
>>77623309
"Nazism" reffering to '30's Germany is just a meme
You just need Authoritarian National Socialist ideology based on your own nation's principles and history
>>77623309
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Liberation_Army
By learning real history.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkzoBY2FZmo
>>77627707
What irellevant shithole are you from?
>>77627694
I have an old copy, it is in Deutsche, I don't think you can find them at any store
>>77629034
Also...we have to get to the point where all of Europe stops fighting amongst each other and focuses on the enemies of all of our people. Another World War amongst Europeans would be suicidal. International forces led our people against each other.
NEVER AGAIN.
>>77627694
The one that talk about different races having their nations and living peacefully among each other. The entire "Hitler wanted to rule the world meme" is just Jewish propaganda. I too want to read the original but it's hard to find without obvious jewry edits.
Hitler was the only person to congratulate Jesse Owens for his medals at thr 1936 Olympics. Not FDR. He's never been a sadistic mass murderer.
>>77629740
Nope. Spread that around btw in a PDF. The more people who read it the more people can understand what national socialism really was and those thug neo nazis can be silenced.
>>77629684
Literally the only achievement of POA was that they joined the good side at the end of war, even if it cost their lives.
>>77627515
Hitler didn't give a fuck about you or anyone really. Ustaše were willing to serve him so Croats got a new theory that made them Gothic or something.
If you opposed him and we supported him, you'd become Catholic Croats.
What Hitler thought is highly irrelevant, he was a man who changed opinion often and primarily a German nationalist who lied a lot.
However in general Germans didn't have much interest in Yugoslavia besides observing it as valuable resource area.
We were even offered to allow German troops to pass and we would get Salonika in exchange.
Then we signed that treaty with them but army and people revolted so he ordered invasion.
>>77629692
That's a Libyan flag, my Irish friend.
>>77629310
>Imying no Russians freed from oppression joined Hitler in the push to Moscow
They tried anon and failed. The NWO was too strong.
>>77623309
You don't have to be a nazi to be a fascist.
Look into Putin's favorite ideologue, the Russian fascist Ivan Ilyin.
He had his body exhumed, brought to Russia to be reburied with honors in a ceremony attended by Putin and featured in a documentary shown on Russian TV.
He also had his archives bought from an American university where they were preserved, and had his complete works republished in Russia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Ilyin
"Poles are the most intelligent of all the people with whom Germany came across during the war in Europe... Poles in my opinion and basing on the observation and reports from the General Government, are the only nation in Europe that combines high intelligence with the incredible cleverness. They are the most talented people in Europe, because while living in extremely difficult political circumstances, acquired the great sense of living, unparalleled anywhere.
>>77629467
Actually until Putin kicked out the Jewish oligarchs they were still ruled by the "Bolsheviks"
>>77623309
The same way I can support British nationalism and parts of my family were starved to death by Britain.
>>77630258
>Based Cherna Gora bringing some truth
Well done, Montenegbro
>>77627536
You don't have to be white to support natsoc. The SS was one of the most diverse fighting forces in history.
>>77630478
>Putin kicked out the Jewish oligarchs
wew lad
>>77630258
*Catholic Serbs
Also German officers and representatives really didn't have many good words for ustaše. They were mostly apalled at ustaša brutality and appealed to German leadership to restrain them because policy of persecution meant shitload of people rose in revolt simply to survive.
NDH regime was incredibly subservient and brutal. I seriously have no idea how anyone can support that shit in 21st century. Never mind Serbs they killed, and Croats too, they were literally Italian puppets who despite that assasination weren't even seen as relevant by Yugoslav intelligence in 30's and 1940.
At that time HSS was real Croatian opposition and Maček made that historic agreement that basically created autonomous Croatia.
Ustaše had very little support and would almost certainly never come to power if Germans and Italians didn't invade Yugoslavia.
>>77623309
> natsoc; you are socialist that likes your country; no problem
> warnazi ; you can now imprison and directly kill germans i gues
>>77623309
If your Polish, look up Jozef Pilsudski.
Nationalism was all the rage from 1880-1940. You will have a fairly recent leader who is nationalist.
>>77623309
You can go back to your country and support nationalism there...
>>77630336
Oh I know they tried. Russians, Ukrainians, Bulgars, Romanians. So many tried their best because anything was better than being raw material for the USSR.
It was a perfect storm of bullshit that kept them down. Just saying Hitler being an idiot and not keeping his mouth shut didn't help matters.
Such a shame. Such a mess.
>>77630478
There are still Jews in the Russian government but they are kept in check by Putin.
>>77623309
Also OP here is a good video where Putin admits that Jews controlled Communism and the Red Soviet Government.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bSAB5OPkwQ
http://www.strawpoll.me/10512349
Poll
>>77630133
You should also read a book called "Derrota Mundial" (World's defeat), it's author, Don Salvador Borrego Escalante is recognized as one of the best reporters in the world, his book, written in 1954 narrates the events of WWII from an objective point of view, he's been banned from Europe and one of his sons was killed.
He is openly attacked by the media.
I don't know if his book is traduced, but I can tell you that it is the biggest red-pill you can ever swallow
It gives you details about EVERYTHING, names, dates, numbers, papers, everything
>>77630424
wtf is this
>>77629976
I believe you about the edited Mein Kampf but what is your stance on the actions of the Einzatzgruppen during the war? Do you believe they killed all those jews or is it more propaganda?
>>77623309
The last thing that I should mention is that Fascism =/= Nazism.
They are different as Nazism is supposed to be Ethnically centrist towards the Germanic races. Fascism deals more in how the Government is structured overall. The majority of the influence can be drawn from the Ancient Roman Empire.
>>77630913
None of them did it for Russia. They had their own goals.
Meanwhile those Russians who served Nazis, while there were exceptions (like many Cossacks), were literally just turncoats with no real legitimacy.
Soviets had support of people, especially lower classes whose life they improved.
Yeah communism was shit, but Stalin was far better than enslavement and partial extermination that Nazis intended for Russians and Poles.
If you wanna cry about it, cry that Whites lost. Hitler winning would be a disaster.
>>77630913
nice painting
>>77631205
They probably did, but they weren't supposed to. They were only to kill political opponents ( like Soviet commissars) and Jews who would present a threat to them. However, they took it way, way to far and killed every Jew that they could get their hands on, women and children included.
>>77631205
Hitler was not a saint, he did killed innocent people, but most of his acts were directed towards greater good, not only for him or his people but for the entire continent
>>77631333
It's Ivan IV ("The Terrible") after killing his son.
He was probably poisoned by boyars so he went insane. His wife (Anastasia) was probably poisoned too.
Guess he was right about raping the shit out of them.
>>77625448
so your family was from the soviet union, enemy of germany.
>>77631710
Road to hell is paved with good intentions. And no, he didn't give a fuck about "his entire continent". This rainbow Nazism meme must die.
NS was a German nationalist movement. Europe would be nothing but German area of influence.
Some of them were quite insane, like Himmler.
>>77631727
Thanks, gonna read up on that.
>>77623309
your family isn't you.
they are people and can be wrong
>>77631314
Agreed. My family had to bail out of Russia after the civil war because of the fucking Bolsheviks. By the time Stalin was in full gear there was no hope for preserving anything.
And honestly I agree. Hitler would have been terrible for eastern Europe. Picking between him and Stalin is like picking between phillips and standard - either way you get screwed.
>>77631333
One of my favorites. So evocative and sad.
>>77631205
Most of was similar to Vietnam in American history.
"Oh we don't know what happened the soldiers went AWOL"
In reality it's a mix of Jewish propaganda where the so called innocent civilian, much like the Vietcong, regularly employed small communities to support them. It's likely their victims were all in some way connected to resistance fighters/espionage forces. Unfortunately in war it's hard to fact check beforehand and some of jews who weren't connected to the underground were slaughtered. But that's war.
Are you not familiar with the term "Honorary Aryan" OP ? I mean , appart from Kebab removing , slavs are lazy fucks , our nations are poor , and people always blame muh Illuminaty Murica , who wouldnt hate slavs ?
>>77631931
As I said, he was no saint, he did committed a lot of atrocities in the name of his country and his race, yet I must ask, were the soviets and the allies better than him? Is the result of his defeat a better scenario? And who really won the war?
Sincerely a German zone of influence would have been better than the Israeli zone of influence
>>77625142
>and non-jew/gypsy czechs/poles were seen as races that could be integrated.
Only the the ones that the government believed to be "aryan". Not all poles would be integrated
>>77623309
Technically, nazism is just national socialism.
American nazis should technically embrace all ethnic groups that compose America, so really all ethnic groups.
Japanese nazis on the other hand would only embrace ethnic Japanese people.
Nazi Slavs would embrace ONLY Slavic people and might actually want to exterminate the Aryans.
See, it's a relative sort of concept. Relative to your nation and potentially your nation's particular ethnic group.
>>77623309
What's the problem? As long as you believe in national socialistic values you're a "nazi".
>>77632858
>>Nazi Slavs would embrace ONLY Slavic people and might actually want to exterminate the Aryans.
national socialism is about preserving the race of your country not about destroying races of another countries
Fuck Nazis, Slavs are not Nazis nor will ever be.
>>77631054
links for this book amigo?
>>77632858
>>American nazis should technically embrace all ethnic groups that compose America, so really all ethnic groups.
also no, since there are almost no natives, national socialism is kind of pointless, you could do it with whites, embracing all ethnic groups would incentive multiculturalism and race mixing.
there is a nazi party in peru by the way.
>>77632454
Stalin at least achieved something. It's just that communism was a terrible system for Slavs in general.
>>77632571
While that's true, does that mean we should be exterminated?
Did Poles ever invade Germany?
Did Russians?
Sorry lad, but their hatred was literally artificial hatred bred out of arrogance and greed. ''We want their land so they're inferior''.
It's really hard to have sympathy for them. In the end, Germans were shown mercy they surely wouldn't have shown if they prevailed.
>>77633442
He may have been a horrible fucking monster (and he was), but the man recreated the former Empire in his own image.
It was a nightmarish image imo, but it was better than the nothing that Lenin would have made or the equally insane but less competent nuttery of Trotsky.
>>77627694
Ey Ænglisc man, get the Ford translation.
>>77630478
yup, now russia is run by the crypto jew/bolsh ; PUTIN
>>77633394
I only have the version in spanish, you can find someone who translates it to you
http://vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres9/BORREGOdermund.pdf
You won't be able to find this book in the US, I can tell you that
>>77633442
Both Poles and Russians invaded German lands multiple times over the centuries.
>>77633842
Welcome to Central/Eastern European history my Aussie friend.
Shit's constant back and forth and doused in centuries of blood.
>>77633435
"whites"
Really you mean a mixture of all European ethnic groups that originally made up the American immigrant population.
Once you've agreed to melt together over a dozen European ethnic groups, adding in a few more hardly matters.
Americans could still be nationalist, but it would have to be about traditional American values. Even trying to make it about European ethnic groups would be a bit silly since that's not been what America is about in over 200 years.
>>77633842
When? The Napolenic wars?
They were promptly given back to their owners afterwards.
>>77633673
I can't really agree with his methods, but don't forget, Stalin's image is inevitably victim of both Western view and denunciation of his rule by his former comrades after 1954.
He was a paranoid dictator in my opinion, and shed too much blood, but his rule also left good things.
And well done for not falling for Trotsky meme. Trotsky was also insane, just more ''leftist'' than Stalin. Collectivization was his idea.
>>77633842
Absolutely false. Poles have never invaded Germany, on the contrary, Germans constantly invaded and assimilated Slavs for centuries.
Russians fought a war with Prussia in 18th century, but that's it.
All other wars were German aggression, their drive towards east. Teutonic Knights were a form of German proto-nationalism in a way.
>>77634424
Yeah, being an American but coming from a Russian background I can't help but look past some of the hype with Stalin. People especially don't realize how much Khrushchev based his legitimacy in denouncing him. And then there's the cold war thing.
Since we left in the civil war two it took a long time for my critique of the reds to get anywhere more nuanced than blind hatred. Still not a fan of the soviets, would've preferred something other than USSR (Empire, Republic, whatever) but out of the Bolshevik ranks he was the best left standing.
Still sucks though. My family poured their heart and soul into Tashkent. Some died fighting for it. Unfortunate that it ended up being little more than a source of cheap labor and manpower under the Soviets. Even more unfortunate that they seized everything from 'imperialist oppressors' like my family for nothing other than being Slavs in Turkestan/Uzbekistan.
Thanks man. Fuck Trotsky. Dude didn't have a pragmatic bone in his body. In college I hated all the little che shirt wearing shits who liked him just to be contrarian idealists. Makes me want to spit.
>>77634424
What's wrong with Trotsky?
>>77635739
Personally? I hate how young people see him as the 'good alternative' to Stalin. They use him to pitch a version of the USSR that would have been some sort of utopia and defend the 'Stalin wasn't communist he was state capitalist' meme.
In truth, he was a lot like Stalin. Just more radically committed to communism and without any intent to compromise for the sake of the people. Stalin did have periods where he put in 'softline' policies on communalization, attacks on religion, etc. but under Trotsky these would have prob been even less frequent or never happened.
In short, in addition to disagreeing with him I also hate how uninformed college aged asshats turn him into a saint figure like Che.
>>77635670
That's a nice pic. Central Asia or Persia?
Too much shit accumulated for Russia. Industrialization, serfdom was ended, radical ideas from West, incompetent Tsar, and finally WW1.
It was bound to blow up and Bolshevism was that. It's ironic but they didn't even have majority support. They seized the moment, while Whites and other general opposition were too disunited. Tragic event. But I like how many Russians have positive outlook, instead of shitting on everything from communism, they respect good things. They don't shit on their history.
>>77635739
Trotsky was no angel like modern leftists imagine him to be. He was a bit more extreme than Lenin and a little less extreme than Stalin, but he was not that competent in politics.
Collectivization (that caused famine in 30's for example, and that NEVER WORKED PROPERLY), he supported it.
Shooting people, he supported it.
He was just an ordinary Bolshevik butcher.
Bukharin was a better solution, but he made a mistake of trusting Stalin I guess.
>>77630757
>Russian oligarch Jew called German Khan
That's enough /pol/ for today
>>77623309
>imprisoned or directly killed by Nazis
speaking on behalf of the 4th Reich i can assure you it was an unfortunate accident
sorry senpai
>>77636458
Turkestan Governor-Generalship. Modern day Uzbek/Kyrgyzstan. By a painter named Vereshchagin. Very talented artist.
Yeah. All things pass. And Russia went through a string of problems one after the other. Shit the Empire even lost to the Japanese because Japan modernized better and faster.
Plus I agree the White Russian army was way too disunited. Kind of like how the Republicans lost the civil war in Spain to the Nationalists. Such is history. Group feeling often wins the day.
Still too bad. There was good in the Empire. Wish it had been reformed rather than erased.
'Bolshevik' and 'Menshevik' as names for the factions is one of the most brilliant PR moves ever I agree. "majority" my ass.
And yeah, trusting anybody in Soviet politics was a baaaaad plan.
>>77625448
Russia has the most Neo-Nazis in the world lol. Look up Format 18
>vk com/video-30217872_161018961
>>77623309
>go to auschwitz
>check out the gallery of people killed there
>two guys have my surname
>they were put in there as political prisoners
At least I'm not a filthy jew
>>77623309
>and parts of my family were imprisoned or directly killed by Nazis?
they lied to not get gulagged.
>>77631162
Hitler's memorandum addressed to Himmler when he was in the bunker about to kill himself.
>>77631162
>>77639583
>Hitler
>Praising the Poles
Well fuck me. I guess I still can be surprised after all.
>slavic neo nazi
>>77623309
you don't support Nazism, you look at it and realize that it was a deeply flawed ideologies but there were certain aspects which should or could be adopted today. FFS the Nazis killed millions and im not talking about Jews here. They enslaved nearly all of Europe. Sure Hitler was a pretty smart guy, but he also had a pretty screwed view on the world and he was full of hate.
You can. You won't be Aryan, but you can.
>>77640661
Thank you Luxembourg for bringing a little more rationality to this thread. Shit's complicated.
![tankpetange6[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/hQ2qTa8.jpg "tankpetange6[1].jpg")
>>77641374
no thank you, for rescuing my country from Nazi Germany, Patton was a good man and the only US general the German feared or had respect for
>>77639926
you know praising ones enemy is an old hat? You look better when you defeat him, Caesar did this in his book De bello Gallico (the Gallic Wars)
>>77642487
Can't accept thanks for that personally, but my grandfather fought on the Belgian front and Battle of the Bulge. The war fucked him up pretty good, but he never regretted it.
Thanks for remembering, Anon. We might not have been the sole 'victors' of that war, but we've gone from masturbating constantly about our role in it to forgetting about it and shaming our history nonstop.
Thanks for remembering. It warms my heart and gives me hope.
>>77642878
Hah. Good point. Never thought of it that way
I guess since Hitler never shut up about how most of his enemies were subhumans it's surprising.
>>77631054
thanks. pls pdf real mein kampf.
>>77643043
Again than thank you grandfather for me. My grandfather was forced into the Hitler Youth, granted it wasn't a KZ, he still told me that during the last years he had to steal food and that he had to jump out window to escape. He was 13 y old and he had walk back into Luxembourg.
>>77643275
I guess since Hitler never shut up about how most of his enemies were subhumans it's surprising.
literally when?
>>77632858
But that's not how it fucking works, you fucking retard.
>>77623309
Don't let it be attributed to the NASDP then.
There is no law saying that because you like to combine the theory of Nationalism with the economic policies of Socialism automatically means you become a Nazi.
>>77623309
norse here. senpai got imprisoned several times, finally til the end. Other senpai got killed on the railways in Tronderlag, he was picked up because he was an engineer.
But even with all this wyfu of resistance man captured, she would still bring up the great qualities of the german people and hitler, yet in the next moment curse his name.
They all knew man, it wasn't all black and white.
We actually adored and adopted a lot of the policies of the germany in the 30ies, some still live today. Like the AP Jugend still around. Welfare model, but not as extensive to that of the prewar germany, we castrated gypsies and subhumans til the 70ies and took their children.
So my great grand fathers and grand fathers would twist in their graves for my shitposts here.
We've been lied to all our lives with jewish propaganda, to this day it's an ebil hitler nazi fest in at least 3 jidf articles in each media... always with false claims to soil them.
The truth can't be surpressed forever, and this is what we are seing now.
>Not implying that all he did was right
for once he didn't just gas the fucking kikes
I'm drawn to elements in this, testo leadership, honesty, honor to the end, perfectionism, no shit, no freeloading, you fucking do your best and perfect your selef, you eat healthy and workout.
What tha fuck is wrong with that?
