I think we are forgetting that Christianity detests homosexuality.
If it is believed God is all powerful, fate is predetermined, and free will is an illusion, is it not obvious God has purposely unleashed his wrath on theses gays at Orlando in consequence for their sins?
Are we really misinterpreting his benevolent action to steer us from wrong?
I see people saying, God has gained beautiful angels, yet aren't these sinners going right to hell?
Set me straight pol, I am confused as to how the narrative is that God pities these gays and is welcoming them with open arms, when historically the narrative has been to openly detest them.
Are we being misled by powers aiming to confuse us, and lead us astray from the path of holy righteousness?
>>77598399
looks like kek is confirming your post with those dubs
Settle down memers, serious thread here
Bump
Holy 1 post sliders
>store front every time
Yes and also 4chan is satanic and promotes idolatry.
If you really believe then leave this place and repent of its influence on your life.
>>77598399
>Innocent gays deserve to die because MUH MAGIC SKY NIGGER
kill yourself
you're no better than muslims
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrcQAYS9JtY
>>77598399
I see what you're saying, kind of, but just because something happens doesn't mean God necessarily "approves" of it. We have free will and can do all kinds of fucked up shit. Doesn't mean God likes it
>>77598399
Liberals keep getting flak for being anti-Islam. I agree that it's a contradiction. It's time to eliminate all religion from society. Islam needs to go out of the door along with Christianity, or they both stay. There's no middle-ground.
>>77603960
*for being pro-Islam I mean
>>77603960
How would you eliminate religion from society? How do you make someone stop believing something?
>>77598399
christianity is semitic nonsense
>>77604694
Then what does that make Islam?
Also I've never seen anybody say anything close to what that picture says
>>77605129
>Also I've never seen anybody say anything close to what that picture says
casual
>>77605233
You knows Jews hate Christianity and actively try to discredit it right?
>>77598399
Well said
>>77605722
who is the god of the Christian Bible?
>>77598399
>fate is predetermined, and free will is an illusion
Then God made them gay in the first place, and is punishing them for him making them gay.
The universe is literally too nice and beautiful a place for a psychotic Jew like YHWH to be in charge of it.
>>77606152
It isn't the God that the Jews of today worship, that's for sure
>>77598399
>I think we are forgetting that Christianity detests homosexuality.
We're not forgetting. We detest it too. There are a few numale redditors here that support it but for the most part /pol/ is staunchly anti-faggot.
>>77604694
>>77605233
>>77606152
>>77606383
>oh shit TRIPLE reply!
good goy
>>77601213
And you're a mudslime.
A book not written by thou himself and by mortal men with no connection to me mysekd and I must not be taken to account as my word, although it is the closest thing to it.
Meme magic me Scotty
>>77606299
how can you know god?
>>77598399
>what is "love the sinner, hate the sin"
the Christian god is pretty hands off, if he had a problem they'd get theirs in the next life
>>77606562
Jews don't worship Christ
i know
they worship the jewish tribal god
>>77606152
>>77606562
What do you mean?
Are you addressing what I said or are you asking something else entirely?
>>77606974
Why did the Jewish leaders hate Christ and have him killed if they liked Christianity so much?
>>77607014
i'm asking if you know who god is, and how or why you know that
>>77605722
Christianity has outlived its purpose for the Jews. It was founded to take down the Roman Empire and to establish religious autism about art, learning, and the banking industry, all of which became power vacuums which the Jews filled. Now the "All Are Equal in Christ" bullshit has become "All Are Equal in Social Marxism," except this time the Jews control the system directly from the top-down.
Hey here's a general guideline when it comes to deities/religion: if they condemn anything in existence unequivocally, it's 100% pleb trash opium-of-the-people grade-a bullshit. Why? Because god created everything. How the fuck can something be inherently detrimental to creation, yet be an intended part of that creation put there by the creator? You absolute doorknobs think spirituality can only exist in an arbitrary book written by manipulative men with a conveniently polarized view of the supreme authority. What god worthy of worship would/could only be accessed through such a faulty middle man? For christ's sake, you have to be able to fucking read apparently if you want a relationship with the power who is allegedly so all-encompassing that nothing that is not of him exists in this world. How can you people be so ritually pathetic? So mind-crushingly stupid?
>>77607157
Judging from your previous posts I doubt you have any genuine interest or an open mind about the matter, so I'd rather not answer
>>77607187
>Because god created everything.
Not everything. Some things are man-made.
>How the fuck can something be inherently detrimental to creation, yet be an intended part of that creation put there by the creator?
God gave mankind free will; that is, conferred to man part of His creative power. Homosexuality is man's creation, not God's.
>>77598399
also burning the midwest now
>>77607382
>>77598399
Abominations are signs of the corruption of man.
You should be working to prevent them, not punishing those that exist.
The only fags that are sinners are those that try to spread this corruption.
>>77607382
Judging from your juvenile hedging, you're incapable of discussions in which both parties are not biased toward a belief unfounded in logic. Grow up.
>>77598399
>Free will
>Illusion
When will this meme end
>>77607457
What's your point? What did they sabotage? What and when were they sabotaging, and how?
>>77607784
>>77607412
If you believe that it is a choice to be homo/hetero, our discussion has (already) managed to leave the plane of rational thinking. I would thank you for your time, but the exchange was certainly more beneficial to you than myself, i hope.
>>77607654
Right, lol. Because that guy wasn't being juvenile and attacking religion and changing the topic. You guys definitely aren't both biased. How about you grow the fuck and stop pretending you're le so neutral and rational thinker
>>77598399
The attack which killed 50 including Omar Mateenwas done on Pentecost, the 50th day of the omer.
He who has eyes will see, that they chose blasphemy on a holy day. Yahweh used the rabid dog Mateem to illustrate that enough is enough The payment for sin is death.
Yahweh will not be mocked. But the right-hearted will find love
>>77607978
It's obviously somebody's decision to fuck men and/or suck cock though isn't it?
>>77607908
What's your point though? How did they sabotage anything? Was it their fault Germany lost? Is this what you're implying?
>>77608033
Faggot
>>77608164
>>77607148
The record is very ambiguous as to whether Christ existed at all. The STORY of Christ being executed, however, is the central tenent of the religion. It's the final coda to the "Turn the other cheek" and "The meek shall inherit the Earth" and "Trust not in your own power" story, which left Rome a neurotic wreck.
>>77607763
free will is 100% true. every group that is told freewill is false becomes immoral
>>77608263
Thanks for proving my point
>>77608304
Okay, then why did they blaspheme against him in the Talmud and try to discredit him?
>>77598399
>beautiful ayyngels
>>77598399
>god knew you'd be stuck on 4chan
>he made you anyway
>>77608260
>be born wanting the d
>deny yourself the indulgence all your life because le redneck rulebook says you'll suffer if you don't
>die alone, unsatisfied, wondering if the gift of heaven is capable of reconciling a life of unexplained hell
Abstinence may be your forte, but sometimes people find it a little vexing that they aren't allowed to have some personal fun given the opportunity.
>>77604179
Only the ayys will save us. Most of you christfags still wouldn't open your eyes.
>>77603960
>It's time to eliminate all religion from society
and be left with a black hole from which the worst of us will spring with fanatical new ideas; none of which preach the peaceful nature of christ?
atheism = nihilism, the consequences of which have left a scar on the human race in the last century.
>>77598399
everyone detests homosexuality, we're just not going to kill them for it.
>>77606299
>>77608806
>Not sliding your dick in and out of another man's poophole leaves you unfulfilled
Maybe reevaluate your priorities lol
>>77608813
What makes you think they would save us? Why do you believe in them?
>>77608603
4chan is part of the anti God and homo agenda. It always was. It's literally demonic and you idiots don't realize it not even the Christians.
Christians in the 90s actually called out the satanic influence of things like video games the Internet and anime.
They didn't fight hard enough. Now even the Christians of this era are posting on a weeb porn board and think nothing of how it destroyed morality. 4chan is evil and deep down you all know it.
Beauty can only be found in hell, what is in heaven is disturbing
>>77606152
>that image
Source? lmao. I hear a lot of dumb shit said in these threads, but this is something else altogether lmao
>>77609722
What is that picture trying to symbolize?
You know Jews say that Jesus is of the devil in the Talmud right? That picture isn't showing that Jews support Christianity, I don't think
Do you have an explanation of it?
>>77610181
try not to be so illiterate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asherah
>>77598399
Just a reminder that according to the bible free will is not an illusion. The only reason God has not claimed the soles of those who would go to heaven is because, well, I don't think he even knows. God can influence the events around us, but our reactions and decisions are left up to us to decide.
>>77610358
>>77610631
Makes sense that Jews would support Catholocism. They both worship a Mother goddess and don't believe in Christ's sacrifice
>>77610631
>try not to be illiterate
>baseless insult
Nice to meet you too, !!8ulOY.0Lj8qr
Yes, I see you've posted a wikipedia link. That's nice. Did you know that the ancient Jews (the predecessors of Christianity) fell into what's known as idolatry, and worshipped "false gods." That's why one of the 10 commandments is "thou shall not worship any strange gods before me"
>>77598399
Yeah, homosexuality is a sin. The Church is a hospital for sinners, not a museum for saints.
>>77610961
>>77610961
Catholics do not worship any but Jesus Christ, the Holy Spirit, and God the Father
Catholics believe entirely in Christ's sacrifice
I take it you are a reformed Cat-- I mean, a Protestant?
>>77610851
So what about the fact that the Soviet Union also outlawed religion? You realize that this is something a lot of dictatorships do to increase their power right? Why are you posting Nazi propaganda and acting like it's fact set in stone?
>>77611054
>baseless insult
don't start what you can't handle, kike
>>77610181
>Source? lmao. I hear a lot of dumb shit said in these threads, but this is something else altogether lmao
>>77611227
I don't really put labels on myself, I just consider myself a Christian. But if you insist on labeling me then I guess you'd call me a Protestant
>>77611477
>>77611227
Also, the Catholics I've talked to don't trust in Christ's sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins. They trust in their own works, not the Lord's
>>77610961
The Internet is a goddess worship cult.
Cyberspace =cybele cult
Bell labs where modern network was invented is baal labs.
Technology is of the devil.
Wonder why AI is always shown as having a seductive assertive female voice?
The waifu worship here?
Why Jews are matriarchal?
It's all connected to the cult of ashera/cybele/isis the goddess of 1000 names.
Matrix means womb for a reason. The control system is feminine.
>>77611749
BTW if you're a computer geek you'd know what Unix is.
Unix == Eunuchs. Spiritually you are castrated and feminized by technology worship. Just like Cybele cultists in Roman times cut their balls off.
Today's tranny priestesses are tech nerds.
/g/ - technology. Also g for freemasonry
>>77612157
time to abandon the thread
All sins are equal in God's eyes. He hates lies as much as he hates acts of homosexuality and murder as well.
But he still loves all of his children.
>>77598399
Nice try Moses, now off with you.
>>77612794
>le religion is for stupid people maymay
An omnipotent entity gives a sh*t about some men taking the back door.
You christcucks are sometimes so delusional.
>>77613341
But how would you know how God feels more than other people? Wouldn't that also make you delusional?
>>77611696
"You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone." (James 2:24)
" . . . so also faith without works is dead." (James 2:26).
>>77611477
>i have evolved beyond labels
>>77611252
I'm not a jew. Pic related
>>77598399
Jesus loved everyone - he didn't hate gays. Christianity is based on what Jesus preached. No confusion there. That being said, all religion is a construct of man's imagination.
>>77613494
Its now how I would know, it`s about the more rational "why would he even care" ?
Even better question - if it is an omnipotent entity - then why create something that you`re followers would only hate and reject. Why create or allow the creation of something that you, the powerful God, would punish for existing ?
>>77613500
Protetutes btfod
>>77613564
>all religion is a construct of man's imagination
Jesus was a man. Was his claim that he was God a construct of his imagination?
>>77613500
I can quote things that argue against salvation through works and I'm sure you're aware of them, just like I'm aware of what you posted already
I haven't "evolved" past anything you condescending cunt. I just think it's harmful to divide ourselves like that and I don't see the point. I never saw myself as a Protestant at any point
>>77614275
>you condescending cunt
I don't think that's a very nice way to talk to someone you just met. But maybe it's the vernacular.
> I just think it's harmful to divide ourselves like that and I don't see the point. I never saw myself as a Protestant at any point
Catholic means universal. It's the universal Church and the Church that Jesus himself started.
>>77614696
Yeah, I'm aware of what the word means. Literally has nothing to do with what I said though
>>77598399
LET
>HE
WHO
>IS
WITHOUT
>SIN
CAST
>THE
FIRST
>STONE
>>77608545
a) Obviously not all Jews were "in on it," and had plenty of reason to hate Christianity and Christians, and b) The ones who were in on it didn't want the ideology to backfire and convert actual Jews.
If they'd actually wanted Christianity to die in the crib they could have done it; they were the ones who spread it in the first place through Rome's Merchants (Hence the title). And again, the reason why Jews are so vehemently against Christianity today is that they've found even more effective ways to herd the Goyim.
>>77598399
Fuck off Calvinist scum. Turn from your ways lest you perish.
>>77613717
Must have been
>>77608813
>God is not real
>aliens are totally real
You are the worst kind of person. Gosh people like you are seriously brain dead.
>>77610358
They don't say he is the devil. I'm done. This board is overrun with stupid fun king normies.
>>77598399
Read me where JESUS (himself) said kill the fags ? Read me where Muhammad said kill the fags...
>>77615991
They say he got his power from demons. He would be "of the devil" like I said. A false prophet trying to lead people astray
They also call his mother Mary a whore, an epic meme that many of you like to repeat ad nausea me for those edge points
>>77616250
In the Hadith for Muhammed. Mentioned elsewhere in the Qu'ran, not sure where.
Jesus didn't want us to kill anyone, I agree. However, that doesn't change that homosexuals are condemning themselves and that it is wrong.
>>77612350
butthurt that I exposed Naziism as just another Babylonian cult?
Hindu temples have both the "star of david" and the Swastika on them.... because Hinduism is the closest living descendant of the Tower of Babel religion. Odinists, Kabbalah kikes and muslims all worship the same gods (Nimrod, his wife the whore queen Semiramis who fucked her son Tammuz)
This is why the UN promotes Yoga
>>77616964
Go on... I'm listening
>>77598399
>I think we are forgetting that Christianity detests homosexuality.
It doesn't. It's a mistranslation, or rather a word nobody knows what it means.
>>77613263
Christianity is for cucks.
>>77617194
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWDrXVmNrxI
this guy's channel is pretty good.
>>77617249
>>77617368
shut up Ivan the russian Ashkenazi MGTOW shill
>>77612350
This guy even has the one-eye of Nimrod too
>>77598399
If repeating sixes Christianity is true, if not then you're all faggots including the Kektards
>>77617700
You are all faggots
Christianity has been corrupted.
We need our own branch.
>>77617834
religion*
Worship your people's gods of old, the ones the kikes wish to take away.
>>77606383
>Cвятocлaв
>Fearsome Khazarian warrior
Hue
>>77617249
This is just wrong. Nothing more to say here.
>>77617368
In Galations, Paul was talking about Jews and Gentiles during the very earliest days of the Church. But I'm sure you don't know anything about that. I'm sure you just like to tell other people what they believe and quote the bible out of context and say stuff like "the bible contradicts itself" and "how stupid do you have to be to believe in religion!!1!1!!11"
>>77618433
Thanks for the pic.
I need it to respond to people who trash celibacy and male virgins by saying "you're genetically inferior and not saving the white race and pussy and breeding is all that matters"
>yfw social darwinist tards can thank a "dysgenic" celibate for inventing the field of genetics
>>77617368
btw he (paul, the author of "galations") is talking about Jews and Gentiles, not in the sense that you're thinking. "Jews" refers to the Jews (during the time that Paul sent this letter) that professed belief in Jesus Christ, and Gentiles refers to all other peoples (non-Jews) who professed belief in Jesus Christ. He (Paul) is saying that Christianity is not limited to the Jewish tribes.
Have a nice day
>>77617991
cringed.
Christians need to come up with answers as to why the Bible is so adamantly against homosexuality to begin with. Christians are having a hard time answering modern questions like homosexuality, as well as others like climate change, and it has been holding back the progress of Christianity for decades. Many Christians straight up ignore or run away from the questions and go blue with no fear of consequences; I have met many "bisexual Christians" for example.
Christians need to come up with answers instead of relying on the old "the book says its wrong so its wrong" gimmick, because that gimmick does not work in the interconnected digitized era.
>>77619593
That is largely a product of Protestants, whose entire basis for faith relies on sola sciptura. Solution: Don't be a protestant. Be Catholic, or if you can't, be Orthodox.
Does the 5 pm mass on Saturdays in many churches, does it fulfill my Sunday obligation?
>>77620733
Yes. The 5pm mass is what's known as a Vigil mass, and it does fulfill the sunday obligation. The readings are the same and it is considered the same as Sunday mass
But what am i talking about? You need to ask your priest! 4chan is not reliable :P
>>77618736
Paul was talking about Jews in the genetical sense, not in the religious sense. He's talking exactly about the Jews we at /pol/ talk about.
>>77618433
>This is just wrong. Nothing more to say here.
Triggered white knight detected.
>>77622408
>Paul was talking about genetics when he wrote this ~2000 years ago
If you can't understand what I said here--
>>77618736 ->"Jews" refers to the Jews (during the time that Paul sent this letter) that professed belief in Jesus Christ, and Gentiles refers to all other peoples (non-Jews) who professed belief in Jesus Christ. He (Paul) is saying that Christianity is not limited to the Jewish tribes.
then idk what to tell you, bud
>>77622496
I'm a white knight because I think that the bible is explicitly against homosexuality in multiples instances? Would you stop throwing around maymays long enough to think coherently, please?
img not related
>>77603752
>We have free will
It doesn't say that in the Bible.
>>77598399
Have fun in hell for blaspheming God's word. God loves everyone equally gay, straight, or Chinese. All sins will be judged accordingly; gayness can be forgiven as easily as murder can.
>>77623286
>"Jews" refers to the Jews (during the time that Paul sent this letter)
Exactly. Jews refers to Jews (circumcised semites) and Gentiles refers to non-circumcised non-semites.
He's talking about Jews as in genetics, not as in "following judaism".
>I'm a white knight because I think that the bible is explicitly against homosexuality in multiples instances?
Except it isn't (aside from the mistranslations).
>>77623770
This
I've met people who were gay early in life but repented from that life and became Christians. I do think that God might hate some sins more than others, but they all have the same ultimate consequence if we don't accept Christ
>>77623839
>mistranslations
wew, lad. Wrong again
>about the jew/gentile madness
You're equating Jews of today with the Jews literally immediately after Christ ascended into heaven. Do you see how there is a substantial difference?
>>77623839
>>77625239
just for specificity's sake-- Paul's letter to the Galations was written ~50 A.D., which is not even 20 years after Christ.
>>77607487
All have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God Romans 3
>>77607763
Define free will?
>>77607978
I don't believe it's a choice we are born with corrupted will/ original sin
>>77609946
If you find torment beautiful
>>77615350
He does and he will
>>77616250
Jesus did define marriage it's in Matthew
>>77617249
No read James white, the word means in Greek, men who lie with other men
>>77628576
>the word means in Greek, men who lie with other men
No, it doesn't. That's exactly the mistranslation/fabrication.
>>77606483
>that post
What did he mean by this?
>>77619593
God defined appropriate love, one man one woman, together for life.
>>77598399
>Christianity leads to determinism
I'm pretty sure that you're completely fucking retarded of your own free will
>>77628674
Tell me what it means
>>77628806
Nobody knows. Several suggested translations throughout the centuries are listed in that pic.
>>77629000
2/2
By the way, the fact that nobody knows what it means is seen by some as a proof that it cannot mean homosexuality.
>>77598399
Go back to sandnigger land mehmet
>>77629000
Jesus defined marriage
A man shall leave his parents and take a woman and the two shall be one flesh.
Romans 1 talks about people being given over to a depraved mind and mentions the practice of Homosexuality as apart of that.
Homosexuality isn't the only sin though, all sex that isn't in the parameters of one man one woman married for life , is considered sexual immorality/ fornication
>>77629551
Too bad the modern world delays marriage
it's supposed to be swift and at a young age, and preferably arranged by the parents. It's a contract to prevent one from falling into sin later in life.
public schooling deliberately destroyed this
>>77628697
Means he's grasping at straws trying to bait people
>>77629098
Why would he go to a predominantly Muslim part of the world?
Amish have a lot right. Their lifestyle is descended from the Waldensians, a very early Germanic christian group. It predates the reformation even
>>77630039
I think it should be, a lot less sluts and neets in the world
>>77598399
we have laws ahmed. you cant take your isis sympathizer shit to tumblr were your special snow flake tanned german ass can hang out with greek economist and mexican intellectuals
>>77628101
Some men are born with no attraction to women.
They're given a gift of celibacy. Then if they reject this blessing they're corrupted into homosexuality
>>77630151
Too bad they are pacifist
>>77630151
Honestly, I wouldn't mind being Amish. I would have to physically cut myself off from society to stop using the internet to stop using it, which I kind of want to. A simple life like theirs would be nice in a way
>>77630309
I had bi tendency prior to being saved, I have been told by LGBT ers that sexuality is fluid in inner circles, they usually won't say it in public
>>77630551
You can be a Mennonite
>>77630594
see
>>77611749
the Internet and computer are demonic brainwashing devices. Computers have a long history of ties to witchcraft and homosexuality. See: alan turing.
I'm a programmer and convinced I need to quit my job and repent of witchcraft
>>77629000
>>77629087
>nobody has any clue what these words might mean
Also, that original image is full of errors. For example, this isn't the only place that homosexuality and other forms of sexual depravity are forbidden in the bible. There are numerous instances throughout the old and new testaments.
The more you look into it the more you'll realize the satanic basis of modern technology, even Electricity.
>>77630798
Nah, if the Internet causes you to sin, than you shouldn't use it, but it can be used for good and bad
Google Carm and Tektontv
>>77631352
This is true but I feel that creating/programming digital things may be witchcraft. like genetic engineering it's part of the agenda to get man to play God. Not the same as using it.
>>77631352
Drinking can cause you to sin.
But what if you only drank alone and kept it at only 1 wine bottle? Is it still too risky?
Drinking and the internet is a whole other sinful ballgame, though.
As far as internet goes, I listen to a lot of Christian podcasts and radio shows and honestly probably wouldn't have became a Christian again without it. So the internet can definitely be good.
>>77631613
Yep :) the greatest tool of mankind
If you really think about writing computer code isn't the same as a physical craft, it's basically using incantations and spells and summoning/ using the incorporeal
>>77631566
Eh we are created in Gods image, this is why we naturally create things, but I understand if you don't feel comfortable
>>77630908
>Also, that original image is full of errors. For example, this isn't the only place that homosexuality and other forms of sexual depravity are forbidden in the bible. There are numerous instances throughout the old and new testaments.
No, there aren't. All have other connotations or meanings.
Look, I so don't care about the bible. I actually like it that Christians are against gays because that will eradicate Christianity faster from the face of the earth as the cuck religion it is.
But if you claim that the bible outlaws gay sex for Christians, then you should know that your beliefs are a mistranslation.
The most likely meaning of arsenokoitai is temple prostitution = It's forbidden for Christians to have whores in the Church to lure in people.
>Christianity detests homosexuality
No it doesn't. Check both the new testament and the old.
It doesn't say anything about homosexuality.
>>77632500
>that post
>Look, I so don't care about the bible.
>I know your bible better than you know it
You say it's "mistranslated." Then prove it. Show me biblical scholars' opinions, otherwise I am done here. Christians aren't against gays. We are against sexual promiscuity, not those with mental disorders. Those with mental disorders need compassion and forgiveness even more-so than others. I am Catholic, I've studied the bible for years. You're not going to convince me that 2000 years of sacred tradition have been wrong about homosexuality by crying "it's not translated right doe" because IT IS.
>>77635499
>Show me biblical scholars' opinions
Google "arsenokoitai", idiot. Paul's writing is the first in recorded history to mention that word, nobody knows what it means. Maybe he even invented it himself
>2000 years of sacred tradition
Lol, Luther himself translated it as pederasty, not homosexuality.
>>77598399
Oppose leftist Infiltration of Christendom
>all knowing, all good, all powerful
God is literally a paradox because evil exists. I don't understand religiousfags. Using the excuse "muh free will" doesn't mean shit. He could've created humans without the ability of being evil
>>77632500
Arseno koitas translates to man sex
>>77635797
>Luther himself
>Da Great Luther himself
So there's no opinions of biblical scholars that you can reference? Or are you yourself a biblical scholar? Because of what you read on the internet? Right.
>>77635299
Lev 18:22
Romans 1
1 Corinthians 6
>>77636021
Omnipotence means all powerful within his nature. Evil is going against the nature of God
>>77612794
>>77636057
>Arseno koitas translates to man sex
No, it doesn't. Only if you want to push an agenda.
>>77636154
>So there's no opinions of biblical scholars that you can reference?
Yes, there are, but you're obviously too lazy to google and click a few results.
>>77636154
Eph 2:8-10
Romans 4
Romans 5:1
Galatians 1:6-10
Does the Roman Catholic Church teache the same the same thing Paul did
>>77636435
Arseno man
Koitas, coitus
Man sex
>>77635797
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06v3zw2huXI
>>77636617
Arseno man
koitai bed
Arsenokoitai = Couch potato.
Simple, if one wants to push an agenda.
>>77636780
Yup, they confirm that Paul invented the word and then they drift off to interpretations.
They're no scholars anyway.
>>77636866
What is Gods plan for humans to engage in sexual activity
>>77598399
All sin lands us into hell. If you lied once. You go to hell.
The only reason anyone ever comes to know the Lamb of God/Yeshua/Jesus Christ is because they know that he paid the penalty they deserve for turning their backs on what is good and instead acting like animals/beasts.
>>77598399
It just pains me to see someone earnestly asking a serious question about such bullshit.
I really hate to be the fedora asshole, but fuck man.. It's like watching people seriously discuss the habitat and eating patterns of bigfoot as if they're talking about real things.
Some of you guys need to just let this shit go.
>>77601213
The potato-nigger is right. Hating things and living a certain way just because a book told you to makes you just as dumb as mudslimes.
>inb4 t. Ahmed XD XD XD
>>77637042
>What is Gods plan for humans to engage in sexual activity
Nobody cares. Especially not at /pol/.
>>77637155
You know God is real. You just aren't following him.
>>77637213
Mark 10
Genesis 2
Marriage between one man and one woman
Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve
>>77636480
Correct. I am "too lazy" to do that. Even if i concede you that point though, You still can't answer all of the other instances and precedents that are anti-sexual promiscuity and anti-homosexual sex
>>77607412
>God gave mankind free will; that is, conferred to man part of His creative power.
It doesn't say that in the Bible.
>>77637155
Romans 1
Psalms 14
Im sorry, you don't really have a dog in this fight
>>77635299
If a man lies with another man it's an abomination
>>77609715
i get you fa m,
im trying to quit the internet little by little
it's the worst propaganda device ever
>>77636525
Many protestants make the mistake of claiming St. Paul as the first protestant, instead of Martin Luther? Why? Well Paul was not one of the original 12 apostles, and seemed to go around the country planting churches. Some claim that each of these churches was autonomous, with no central authority like Peter, and that is certainly the model of many modern protestant churches. But that is not the correct assumption to make about St. Paul, who is VERY Catholic in his writing. Let's take a look at some his writings to see.
First, St. Paul did get his commission directly from Jesus Christ, on the way to Damascus. St. Paul didn't just stand up on his own one day and decide to become a preacher. Like Peter and the other 11 apostles, Paul was sent forth by Jesus Christ Himself. St. Paul even says in Romans 10:15 that no one can preach unless he is SENT. Sent by whom? Well, either by Jesus Himself, or one with the authority of Jesus Himself, which would be Peter. We know this from John 20:21, where Jesus says to Peter and the other apostles (the Church on earth), "As the Father has sent Me, so I send you." Jesus also gave Peter the Keys to His Kingdom, in a sign of authority, in Matthew 16:19, where Jesus says that whatever Peter and His Church bind on earth, or loose on earth, will be bound and loosed in heaven. In recognition of this, after Paul had spent 3 years in Arabia following his conversion, he went and submitted himself to the chair of Peter, in Galatians 1:18.
>>77598399
Well if fate is predetermined, he's not really unleashing his wrath at all and theres no reason to be upset or indignant at all.
God created some people who he made gay.
Then he had someone else kill them.
Then he manufactured upset in all these people.
So.. I don't really know what you think is going on here. No one really feels anything unless god tells them to.
>>77636525
>>77637720
But being sent by Christ to preach to the Gentiles and being submissive to Peter were not the only Catholic things that Paul did. Paul was very keen on oral tradition, something that Catholics today say is just as important as sacred scripture. In 2 Thessalonians 2:15, Paul says to "hold fast to the traditions we taught you, either written or by WORD OF MOUTH. Most protestants today disagree with Paul, saying that all tradition in the Catholic Church is somehow evil.
Paul was also very outspoken on the Real Presence of Jesus in the Holy Eucharist. In 1 Corinthians 10:16-21, St. Paul says that the cup of blessing is a participation in the blood of Christ (not "symbolic"), and the breaking of the bread is a participation in the body of Christ (not "symbolic"). He then goes on to compare the Eucharistic sacrifice of Christ with the Jewish sacrifice on the altar, as well as with the pagan sacrifices on the altar. Now either Paul doesn't know how to write properly and is using false comparisons with other altar sacrifices, OR the Eucharist is indeed a true sacrifice on an altar. Why else would Paul compare the Eucharist to other altar sacrifices? Most protestants don't even have an altar in their church (but they do have altar calls!). As if to emphasize his belief in the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist, Paul continues talking about it in the very next chapter, 1 Corinthians 11:23-30, where he says that whoever eats and drinks the Eucharist in an unworthy manner is guilty of profaning THE BODY AND THE BLOOD OF JESUS (if it's just a symbol, then this would be impossible.) This is why Catholics who practice artificial contraception or who commit other mortal sins such as looking at porn HAVE TO GO TO CONFESSION FIRST before receiving the Eucharist. Otherwise, they are guilty of yet another mortal sin.
God destroyed sadam and gomorah
it's not impossible he seen this coming for gay clubs and bars in 2016
>>77637720
Are you seriously judging Christ decision to make Paul an Apostle?
>>77637810
>>77636525
So what about the sacrament of confession? Did Paul ever say anything about this? Well, yes he did, in 2 Corinthians 5:18-21. Paul says that the ministry of reconciliation (forgiveness of our sins) was given to him by Christ. On behalf of Christ, Paul urges us all to be reconciled with God. Many protestants believe that they can confess their sins directly to God, and not go through a minister, but this philosophy is only to be found in the Old Testament, not the New Testament. For instance, we have St. John the Baptist hearing the people's sins prior to baptism in Mark 1:5, and in John 20:21-23, Jesus gives his priests the power to forgive sins. In James 5:16, he says to confess your sins to one another. And in Acts 19:18, many people came forward confessing their sins and evil practices. Confessing one's sins to a minister of reconciliation is very New Testament. Confessing your sins to God directly is the Old Testament way, and is no longer in force.
Paul also believed in personal mortification, like Catholics do during Lent. In Colossians 1:24, Paul says that he rejoices in his personal sufferings, and completes WHAT IS LACKING IN THE SUFFERINGS OF CHRIST, for the sake of the Church. Now this doesn't mean that Paul thinks that Jesus should have hung on the cross for 4 hours instead of 3 hours. What it means is that we, the Church Militant, in the true imitation of Christ, have to suffer with him, albeit not near as much. Why, because it helps build up the church. It is only through suffering that many people meet Christ. After all, when we are well off and well fed and healthy and living the good life, most people put their confidence in the things of this world, not Christ. By suffering, we come to know Christ as He came to know us - in bodily suffering. Paul also says in 1 Corinthians 9:27 that he mortifies his flesh, so that after preaching to us, he himself will not be disqualified.
>>77598399
>016.M3
>falling for Jewish lies and fairy tales
>mfw
>>77637320
>>77637593
Very well articulated guys. You got me.
Just in case you're as stupid as you sound: that was sarcasm.
>>77637849
Sodom and Gomorrah were made for examples of Gods wrath. So was Babylon. All are in ruins to this day so that we may remember Gods wrath.
>>77638061
All are without excuse and all have knowledge of God.
>>77637471
>Genesis 2
Not valid for Christians.
>Mark 10
It's about heterosexual divorce, not homosex.
>>77637520
>Correct. I am "too lazy" to do that.
Yes, you're not interested in the truth.
>>77606383
>Pilpul:the infographic
>>77637720
Petro for Peter
Petra for the church
The holy Catholic Church is the spiritual body of those in Christ, the Catholic Church teaches things outside of the Bible, once the scriptures were translated into English/ other languages , and made available to non clericle people, it was obvious that it was necessary to break away, it is sad :( but necessary. Pastors and elders are called by the Holy Spirit.
>>77638290
Sye pls go.
>>77638061
This is an in hous debate, Non believers need not apply:)
>>77638480
>the Protestant anthem
Sad, sad lies, unfortunately, my friend.
>>77638298
It's the definition of Marriage, if Jesus wanted to permit it, that would have been the time to
Romans 1 makes it clear that sexual depravity comes from God giving people over in their desires, it describe both guy on guy, and female on female, but if you wanna take your chances with a just and holy God, I won't stop you
>>77638977
Why was Tyndall put to death?
In not gay. I didn't vote for policies that support gay marriage and I don't advocate for homosexual behavior in my day to day life. What happens to homosexuals is between them and God.
In not worried about it desu.
>>77638004
This not only reinforces the self-mortification aspect of Paul's teaching, it also refutes the heretical "once saved, always saved' teaching of protestants.
And speaking of the false "once saved, always saved" theory, Paul directly refutes it in Hebrews 10: 26-29, when he says that if you deliberately sin after being sanctified by grace, then you can expect nothing less than an ordeal of fire, because you have profaned the blood of the covenant (the Holy Eucharist) by which you were sanctified, and outraged the Holy Spirit. That certainly doesn't sound like once saved, always saved, and in fact, backs up St. Peter in 2 Peter 2:20-22.
St. Paul also believes in praying for the dead. He prayed for the dead Onesiphorus in 2 Timothy 1:16-18, asking not only blessings for his household, but for Onesiphorus to receive mercy at the final judgment.
Purgatory? St. Paul says in 1 Corinthians 3:12 -15, that a man's work will be tested with fire on his judgment day. If the man has good works, then he will receive an immediate reward. if it is burned up, then he will eventually be saved, but only through fire. Since people who go to hell are never saved, then this can only be referring to the cleansing fire of purgatory.
St. Paul also didn't preach that the bible alone is his philosophy. Rather, in 1 Timothy 3:15, St. Paul says that the Church is the pillar and bulwark of truth, rather than sacred scripture, which many protestants hold up to be the pillar and bulwark of truth. Catholics agree completely with St. Paul here.
And St. Paul was not only celibate, he recommended celibacy. Many protestants mistakenly believe that celibacy leads to child abuse, which is crazy, because Jesus, St. John the Baptist, and St. Paul were all celibate. St. Paul says in 1 Corinthians 7:8-22, that marriage is ok, but IT IS BETTER TO REMAIN UNMARRIED, because then you are trying to please the Lord, not your wife.
>>77639012
At the end of the day some people even if given absolute proof of God will still not worship him or follow his laws.
>>77639159
St. Paul didn't believe that good works were useless, filthy rags either, like some protestants preach. Rather, he believed that they were the fruit of our faith, like he says in Colossians 1:10 - "We should live a life pleasing to God, bearing fruit in every good work." Paul does condemn the useless works of the law like circumcision, in Romans 3:28. Luther mistranslated this "works of the law" into "good works," which does not agree with other scriptures like James 2:24, where God says that we are justified by works, and not by faith alone. It's sad how so many people today still believe Luther and not James. As if to emphasize his belief that salvation is not a one time decision, but a continuous journey until death, Paul says in Phillipians 2:12 to "WORK (there is that word again) out your salvation with FEAR AND TREMBLING." (This is not the cocky self assuredness that most protestants preach today!).
And finally, what about the Rapture? The rapture is a mistaken protestant belief that Jesus will come in secret, and snatch believers up to heaven, leaving everything else behind, including their clothes. Then there will be a 7 year tribulation, where the rest of us will get a second chance to be saved. This is NOWHERE to be found in scripture. St. Paul mentions the second coming of Jesus in 1 Thessalonians 4: 15-17. But Paul says that the dead will rise first, and that there will be a huge trumpet blast. So this event doesn't appear to be some secret snatching away of believers. Seeing the dead rise first with a huge trumpet blast is nowhere to be found in any of the "Left Behind" series of novels. And since the dead will rise first, we know that this will be the last day of human history. This is confirmed by St. John in John 6:40.
>>77638688
Ok, I wasn't planning on actually joining this debate, since I don't believe in the subject matter. Obviously I can't really comment.
Just felt the need to point out how ridiculous it all seems to me, just for the hell of it.
If you walked by a couple people who were debating on how Santa's sleigh flew, you would feel the need to stick your head in for at least a lel or two, so, don't mind me. I'll just be lurking.
>>77639218
If you're bored.
http://pastebin.com/xMQ9wAwW
>>77639207
So don't let anyone try to hold St. Paul us as some kind of Protestant. St. Peter says in 2 Peter 3:16 that many of his writings are hard to understand, and many do so to their own destruction. This was true in the first century, in the 16th century when Luther and Calvin got it wrong, and it is still true today with all of the TV preachers preaching health and wealth as the Christian message..
>>77639084
I'm not familiar with "Tyndall"
>>77639159
John 10:28
John 6:37-42
John 3
1 John 5
If you have eternal life, how can you lose it?
>>77639207
I guess that parable where the rich man could never reach Abraham bosom didn't sink in.
>>77639163
John 3:18-end
>>77639218
>Santa clause is as believable as God
lel indeed
>>77639417
>>77601008
They should make a law against this.
>>77639358
Was put to death for translating the Bible into English
His predecessor died prior to the church getting to him, so the dug him up and reburried him
They really did not want them doing that
>>77639509
>John 3:18
I don't know what you're trying to say here. I'm saying that some people will still turn away from God even if given knowledge of him because they prefer evil over salvation through grace and not of works but of the finished work of Jesus Christ.
>>77639396
No one on earth, not even the pope, has eternal life. Those who are granted eternal life at the hour of their death inherit eternal life by the power of Jesus Christ.
http://www.catholic.com/tracts/assurance-of-salvation
>>77639623
Matthew 7:21-23King James Version (KJV)
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Don't trust in your own works or the works of others but the complete work of Jesus Christ. For none of us are justified by works but by the grace of Jesus Christ.
>>77639417
Read the part about him saying his brothers would Repent if lazerous came back to warn him, the rich man never repented.
>>77639567
It's called an analogy, you nitwit.
>>77639963
That verse applies more to people who say stuff like "it doesn't matter what we do here on Earth, because Jesus died and that means everything is okay for me." Jesus didn't come to make it so that nothing we do makes any difference, but that is exactly what a lot of Protestants believe. What we do DOES matter, and having faith DOES matter. Works AND faith. Not one or the other.
>>77640188
it's called a false comparison, friend
>>77640003
You really should reread that entire thing. There is a "fixed" golf between them. Abraham cannot give him water to quench his thirst. He realizes this and realizes the full horror of the just judgement God has made of him and his fixed place in eternity that he wants a miracle to be sent to his brothers but Abraham tells him if they haven't believed Moses they wont believe a man raised from the dead. Lets be honest here. If Moses lived today with his shining face and a hand that could turn white as snow any time he wanted. Most wouldn't ignore that. They were already without excuse and whatever happens to them is just.
His brothers were already given the truth and the knowledge. Its up to us all to accept that truth we're given.
>>77639772
1 John 2:15
There is a Repented Faith/ saving faith
Which is granted by God 2 Timothy 2:25 and Acts 11
A knowing faith is no different from the demonic belief James 2, which produces no works, but a trusting faith leads to Regeneration Romans 6, and brings about Good works Ephesians 2:10>>77639772
>>77640516
"You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone." (James 2:24)
" . . . so also faith without works is dead." (James 2:26).
>>77639858
1 John 5:11
>>77640317
Salvation gives us good works because we have the holy spirit in us. Its not the same as pursuing works for salvation or else Christianity would be the same as Islam in that respect or many other false religions.
Not all of us we'll recieve equal reward in heaven but all of us who are reborn will go into heaven because of the grace of Jesus Christ who died for all people. Some of us will be so backslidden that we have nothing but our naked selves but its better than being burned forever. This is only for those reborn by water/Jesus Christ and spirit. The Holy Spirit.
>>77640439
No, it's called an analogy.
They're usually exaggerated, sure, but thats the point.
Things are clearer if they're amplified in different ways. That's literally the point of analogies.
>>77640730
Works are the result of salvation Ephesians 2:8-10
Please reread the previous post
James is talking about people who claim to believe in God, but they live like they don't
After being justified by Faith Romans 5:1
We become a new creation in Christ Romans 6
This is called regeneration, a person who is saved is no longer his old self and does good works as a result
>>77641351
Exactly. He was giving proofs of salvation. As a reassurance to those with doubts about their salvation. If they did have these works in their life then they could be certain that the Holy Spirit was living in them.
>>77640786
Sometimes Scripture speaks of believers possessing eternal life now, but it also talks about it as something in the future.
When eternal life is described as a present possession of Christians, this is an example of what theologians call "realized eschatology." This means that Christians participate now in a limited way in what they will experience more fully in the Kingdom of God to come. It doesn't necessarily imply those who have so partaken of the Kingdom and its gifts can't be lost (Heb 3:14; 6:4-6).
The Bible speaks of eternal life as something future (Mt 19:29; Mk 9:43-47; Ti 1:2; 3:7; Jude 21) and based upon our fidelity, by God's grace, to his commandments (Mt 19:16-17; 25:46; Jn 3:36; Rom 2:6-10; 1 Tm 6:18-19; Jas 1:12; 2 Tm 2:12).
>>77640863
>Its not the same as pursuing works for salvation or else Christianity would be the same as Islam in that respect or many other false religions.
Yep, I agree, it's not the same as Islam. This whole business about works is really an invention used to attack the Catholic church on baseless accusations. As for me personally, Jesus said all that bit about feeding the hungry, taking care of the sick, etc. You know the bit i'm talking about, I'm sure. Anyway, I don't think that when we die, Jesus says "well that stuff doesnt really matter after all" I think it matters, and it matters a lot. Like i said, faith AND works, not one or the other.
>>77641467
It says those who believe have eternal life, it has been given to them
>>77641662
If you have eternal life, but lose it in the future, than was it really eternal
John 10:28
Once it's given we can never perish or be snatched from his hands
>>77641674
Agreed. We are given a new spirit and a new life with the hope and promise of eternal life in heaven because Jesus Christs salvation is perfect and complete. He lived without sin and died for our sins because none of us could do it ourselves. We all deserve death for our transgressions against God but Jesus Christ died for us as the Lamb of God.
>>77641044
http://onegoodmove.org/fallacy/falsean.htm
>>77641351
>James is talking about people who claim to believe in God, but they live like they don't
No, James is talking about people who DO believe in God. That's what faith is. "We are not justified by faith alone." It could not get any clearer, friend.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrcQAYS9JtY
>>77598399
religion is fucking stupid
kill yourself
