Anyone else here a former lefty?
Yes. Left is ignorance.
I'm a former righty.
No, because that's about as rational a position as a former atheist
as in they were either never such in the first place or are now deluding themselves because you cannot argue yourself out of the only rational position
>>77588563
Being leftist is choosing to live in a life full of ignorance and bliss.
>>77588563
yep, used to believe they were for the common man. then I realized they were for minorities and women and white genocide. The best we can do is vote for the far right and believe in the trickle down effect lie. otherwise we will become a nigger country like Germany or England.
>>77588563
Former lefty. Now,
>National libertarianism
>>77588721
The least intelligent post on /pol/ today
Yep. Was very leftist for many years.
I hated life back then. I was angry all the time, I hated seeing people happy. I actually had the audacity to look down on people who have families and religion. Luckily, the conditioning brought on by the Marxist kikes who run our culture has been broken and I am a staunch conservative.
>>77588563
>Former kind of lefty her
If I consider my teenage anarcho phase. But then again, that was for one year when I was 16 and only to get near that then totaly hot punk girl.
>>77588563
Former liberal and atheist.
Now, an Orthodox populist.
When did you all grow out of leftism? Me, I was 15.
>>77588563
Depends on definition. "ex"Soviets call me commie. Local commies call me nazi.
But i`m just a nationalist-democrat, like the majority of Russians.
>>77588563
Yes, but now I've left the left behind. I'm now a right-leaning libertarian.
>>77588563
Yep. Fuck the left.
NatSoc all the way now.
>>77589575
Could you specify why you stopped being a political prostitute?
I've actually been veering more to the left lately.
Obviously not in a "BLM, Displace whites in their own homes!" kind of way; just a "Maybe we should raise taxes, offer universal healthcare and pay for useful college degrees (ie, STEM, not Ethnic studies)."
Granted, as I've gone leftward on Economics, I've drifted far to the right on every other spectrum.
>>77588563
>Anyone else here a former lefty?
No, I'm a former righty.
>>77588563
Former marxist with some liberal influences.
Now - christian nationalist with some tiny parts from liberalism and 1 or 2 things from socialism.
I used to be left handed but my parents forced me to write with my right hand
Still sit lower left, it's nice and sane here give it a try
Yes. I used to be a die-hard leftcuck because I hated GW Bush. Then I realized that I just hated neocons, and that Donald J. Trump is going to remove all the neocons from the GOP. Now I'm a registered Republican.
inb4 incoherent Reddit rage
>>77589803
you must be 80 years old
I'm still mostly left on a lot of issues. But the mainstream left has turned into a big steamy shitpile that deserves to be punished.
>>77589735
I got my first job
>>77588563
yeah, the left is shit
i was a full blown lefty in my early days. then i grew up (got wiser) and and learned about personal responsability. the left is a joke. it stems on the idea of goodness and niceness for all, but the core idea is terrible as it would require a violent revolution and complete war to make it happen. and the result will be a shitty overpopulated mixed hellhole like brazil. fuck that
>>77588563
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/disregard-petition-ban-ar-15
Hey guys, please sign this if you haven't. It's to remove another petition to ban AR-15s, obviously.
>>77588563
Yes.
Then one day I swallowed the red pill and I've been regretting it ever since. I haven't been happy for over a year.
>yes, I know. I will be here forever.
>>77588563
Ofcourse, my parents were commies when I was born. My father going to the kosher right woke me up to reality.
>>77588563
Stalin did nothing wrong
>>77589504
>Orthodox populist
Never heard this before but that works to describe me. I lean to the left on things like the economy, health care, workers rights, protecting the planet, social justice(the traditional use of the phrase).
I'm ultra-traditionalist on things like religion in schools, authority, tradition, and the JQ.
>>77590090
It gets better after 2-3 years when you realize there's nothing you can do to have an immediate effect so you go on with your life, doing small things that have a big impact.
>tfw my father is a socialist but ive always been staunchly capitalist
>>77588563
Yep.
Until I went to college and actually did the assignments.
Never was.
>>77589893
Nah our teachers really did try to enforce this though. I lived in the middle of nowhere and our school building was built before WW1.
How many of you "former lefties" are religious? You can't be part of the right if you are a degenerate atheist. Just like the alt-right is just lefties in disguise. Libertarians aren't really part of the right either.
>>77588563
what are you now ?
>>77588563
Reporting in.
> Was bizarrely happy when 9/11 happened and da ebul bankers got what they deserved
> since 14 have been to leftist festivals every year
> Brother and sister of father who all used to live in a co-op together are both hippies who live innawoods.
> dailyshow fan, lib media fan, RATM/NWA fan.
> Drug culture fan
All this shit is pushed on you from a young age.
It is essentially child grooming + indoctrination.
Can see it so clearly in others now, they have no critical capacity, they are the brainless consumers that "we" used to laugh at.
None of them can fathom why people used to look down on things like Apple products (proprietary) and Facebook (corporate).
Everyone is a former lefty, what is public schooling
Former liberal, now marxist-leninist communist
>>77588563
Yeah I was for equality and shit, then I had a red pill moment when liberals were attacking white people for trivial shit, with the backing of a 1000 cucks. I also realized nor only do they hate me for being white, but want to replace me and bringing more shitskins while giving my money to pay for welfare subhumans. I am now a nationalist
Yep. In early high school I was. I was an idiot.
Yes, as 90% of us who came of age in the GWB years were at one point.
Now I consider myself a nationalist.
>>77590884
oh fuck off already. religion is a big reason why the republican party is so fucking cucked. some of the worst people i've ever known in my life have been greatly religious too
>>77591009
I used to consider myself a liberal because I was so anti-neocon. Neocons took the worst part of liberalism and worst part of conservatism, and created a monster.
Was until early 20s until I started reading Laurence Auster:
The unwritten liberal religious system: http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/020507.html
>>77591029
Keep in mind my parents are huge lefty's and by dad loves Lenin(he's a commie rat that I would hang on the day of the rope, no questions asked)
In theory I'm still quite left, though a typical lefty would call me far right extremist based on a handful of my opinions.
>>77588563
Yes, I was brainwashed by my liberal history teacher when I was 15. All it takes is a little research
>>77591221
>believing double agent
congrats sheep
>>77588563
I went to a liberal school and have many hyper liberal friends.
My views have changed significantly since I got out of college and I would probably vote republican this year but Trump just seems too crazy to me, but I certainly don't want to vote for Hillary either. I wish there was a reasonable center-right candidate.
I think the SJW movement and its sub forms have alienated a lot of people
Aren't almost all of us? The left has cultural hegemony, if you have any right wing views growing up they socially ostracize you as ignorant, "uncool," etc. Being right wing now is a conscious act of breaking away from the zeitgeist.
>12 to 14 years old
>though communism made sense
>though that borders were oppressive and kept people from loving each other.
>listed to "imagine" wear che shirts, thinking i was revolutionary n shit.
>15
>study in America for a year in exchange program
>fucking Houston Texas
>Host family were Catholics of German and Polish decent.
>3 daughters and 2 sons
>all were younger than me by atleast 3 years though.
>Based as fuck
>Owned guns
>Made me Christian again
>High school was filled with spics and niggers
>they chimped and nogged out everyday
>A black girl chimped out on a Norwegian female exchange student because "she thot she wa beddah dan meh"
>White red haired friend bullied mercilessly by spics
>he gets a fight with a fat 160cm spic
>starts winning but immediately gets jumped by 10 more spics
>Korean bro and I joined the fight.
>Red haired kid and I get suspended, I almost get kicked out the program because of racism
>Korean bro and a based Curry bail us out as witnesses.
>Korean bro and his family starts force feeding me red pills
>20
>live in a cheap rent area near Uni
>sand niggers everywhere
>They break into building and steal shit
>Finally a bunch of kids hit me with stones because I had a cross around my neck
>crack my skull
>at this point my power level reached 9k
>two years later and I am reaching my final form.
pic related Saint Ferdinand of Spain and remover of Kebab.
Former leftist here, I'm in the transition process If you will ;)
>>77588721
what the fuck did you even mean?
>>77588563
No, I was an anarcho capitalist until I realized how fucking Jewish that shit is.
My political positions are pretty fluid and consist of doing the opposite of what Jews tell me
>>77588563
yes, when I was younger, I was leftist, globalist, pro euro and pro immigrant. But then I matured. How wrong I was.
>>77591172
t. lefty in denial
I'm too apathetic about life to care about politics any more. It's all bullshit. Leftists and rightists are all normies.
>tfw depressed shut in virgin NEET
it's a bad feel
>>77591506
It's okay to admit to being trans
>>77588563
Former lefty here, glad I got out of that self loathing mess.
>>77591393
Does that hold their passports and green cards?
>>77591472
are Germans beginning to uncuck themselves??
I never left the left man, the left left me.
>>77591589
Kek, that's not what I meant.
yes i used to be, but i shallowed few red pills, now im dying inside, no way back from here
>>77588563
I used to be a lefty with my worldview and beleifs, but as political stances and polices change, so do i, the things i stand for once where policies of the left, these same policies i still beleive in are now represented by the right.
I'm not left or right wing by definition, i'm classed as what i am depending on what side represents me.
>>77588563
To a certain degree.
>>77588721
What the fuck do you even mean, faggot? I hereby nominate Finland to be banned from /pol/ - they've been failing miserably at shitposting for too long.
SJWs turned me off from it. I think the moment I stopped identifying as a liberal was when I first heard Obama tell the wage gap lie. From there, it was a steady transformation as I reevaluated everything I had been led to believe. Now I openly support Trump in one of the biggest leftist hellholes in the country.
>>77591393
Real Commies have high levels of patriotism for the country they live in. They will fight for the land they live in. These numale lefties are something else and give commies a bad name. Real commies in the us would be willing to work for the betterment of their fellow countryman. These new commies are just limp wristed people who hate their country. Real communists roll in their grave to see their ideology be hijacked by nu-males and fat feminists
Yes, former member of the ANTIFA
Yes but then I started paying taxes and seeing how much welfare and illegals cost
>>77588563
I have voted left, right, and center over the years depending on party platform at the time. In the US, the right wing doesn't follow what i consider righty politics (small government, stay the fuck out of people's personal lives). Canadian right wing is slightly better but still too heavy on social policy for my liking.
But anyway. Yes i was a bleeding heart libby in my teens. Pls forgib. ;-;
>>77591827
you must cringe hard thinking about it.
>>77588563
I first went to to /trumpgen/ just to shitpost but they held me down and fed me the redpill. No turning back now.
You guys weren't necessarily brainwashed. The right fucked up majorly. They abused big government and refused to concede certain inevitable social issues.
The left latched onto people's heart strings by peddling things like equality, abortion rights, gay rights, etc. Social issues that have very little weight in the actual political sphere.
The right continued to deny these rights because they were afraid of losing the backwards part of their voter base.
Now that the left has run out of social justice to peddle, their tactics are becoming more and more ridiculous, which is ultimately good for the right.
However, the more the left makes the right talk about climate change, marijuana, creationism, how evolution isn't real, guns, etc. the more retarded the right seems.
these are the issues people vote on. people will make a political vote based on whether or not a candidate is prolife or prochoice.
>>77588563
I never really considered myself on the political scale until I came to /pol/.
I was the greatest goyim watching Jon Leibowitz and sucking up everything CNN said all the way through school. Then I discovered /pol/ and took the redpill.
>>77588563
A former lefty from a country of former lefties. Sadly, our mainstream "right-wing politics" is mostly rehashed 19th century Romantic nationalism.
>>77588563
I was kinda a lefty in that I was against war and corporatism. I'm still against them, but the difference now is I see government policies, regulations, and subsidies allow corporations to become monopolies so I want the government to fuck off.
>>77592123
Fuck off kulak, your country is literally owned by capitalist jews. They need you hohols to deny russia her sphere of influence.
>>77591827
Wow, you're a bigger cuck than all of us here combined. Even in my lefty state of mind, it never came across my mind to hate my own race like Antifa cucks do.
Yep, I used to be a full on commie SJW, many years ago
>>77588721
Is atheism objectively cringeworthy? Why can't you people act normal.
>>77588563
yes. I'm ashamed of my past as a lefty but then i reached the age of 12 and decided that real men vote right.
Not really leftist because I never believed in socialism but still somewhere in the cucked middle.
>>77591522
it's some proxy shill that likes to shit this place up. some real finn exposed him when he was pulling words off google translate
>>77591779
Never said I hated my country. In fact, I love it so much that I want to turn it into communist country. It's our government that I hate.
Nice try though, idiot
>>77589803
they did the right thing you degenerate.
>>77588563
Yep, schools do a real good job of brainwashing. Now I'm a National Socialist.
>>77588563
Never left, but I remember when I tried to become more politically ambivalent. Tried to be more willing to compromise. Tried to see things from their point of view; Then I saw that they would never stop. They would never compromise. They would continue to erode and challenge. Theirs was a holy cause in their eyes and therefore to accommodate was tantamount to betrayal.
>>77591583
>>tfw depressed shut in virgin NEET
Losing your virginity may cheer you up for a little bit but depression is depression. It always comes back. People think "I just need XYZ and then I won't be depressed anymore!" but life isn't so simple. Happiness is the moment before you need more happiness.
>>77588721
>>77592255
I was talking about politics, not ownership.
>They need you
>They
No, my country is a pawn in the great game between DOS and Russia.
Former righty reporting.
My entire family is worth around $300-400 million. I've seen first hand what greed and inequality can do.
Capitalism is a racket.
>>77588563
Yeah. I grew up in Scotland.
>>77592310
that's not atheism, it's autism. the two are closely related but not the same thing
>>77591472
fuck I used to have a che shirt to. fml....
I just thought it was cool and rebellious looking I didn't know who he was.
Pls forgive me /pol/
>>77592473
Sami
Communism is for people who hate their country
Nationalism is for those who love it.
>>77592032
Things like abortion, euthanasia, religion based policy, drug laws etc. are things i don't appreciate the common right's stance on. I want less laws on these things, not more. Ie, abortion allowed, euthanasia allowed, drugs regulated for quality and accurate packaging but allowed, religion stay the hell out of my government, guns allowed.
>>77592679
>implying you have to believe in capitalism to be a righty.
>>77588563
Yup; used to be a huge NDP fan (as far as canada goes). Thankfully I stumbled across Douglas Murray and that got my wheels turning.
>>77588563
>100 replies
reddit go home
>>77588563
Yes, I used to be a bleeding heart liberal and now I'm a right-wing ultra-nationalist authoritarian.
It all started with cringeworthy stuff like tumblr tier feminism and it got me thinking, would this stuff be the norm if Hitler had won?
That, in short, is how I became redpilled and I can thank Adolf Hitler himself as my saviour.
>>77588563
At least half of this board, my man. I wish I could have my ignorance back again.
>>77592538
I know. It's not so much the sex that bothers me anyway, more a total discontent with my life and lack of relationships and intimacy with other people.
>>77592947
Just be a nihilist, but a nihilist who hates scumsucking parasites.
>>77588563
I am left of center probably, no one speaks for the center anymore and all that remains for the young of this country is bitterness and disappointment. This inevitably fosters anger in the hearts of those who would be on the fringes of even a more equal society; as we have seen recently with the mentally Ill gentleman. When you are forced to vote UKIP because you feel your civilisation and way of life is in danger. That liberalism has lost its way and emotional vapidity (mob rule) now rule the day . #Iblametwitter
>>77592791
Welcome to America.
former lefty when george bush was elected. went right when obama was elected. Now I am anti global elite aka for TRUMP
I'm still left-handed, actually
>>77588563
Went from Republican to libertarian to nat. soc. to monarchist. This despite being raised by a single mother in the People's Republic of Maryland.
Didn't like Bush II and thought the left was about compassion and respect. Now the left is full of more hate and violence than I ever remember the right being.
>>77591007
This.
>>77590090
Holy shit I feel you bro. I just got into dental school on a full ride scholarship and I'm about to be engaged. I have every reason in the world to be happy.
But I know that the fabric of society is threadbare and rotting so it's hard to shake my somber mood. The few days I can stay off the Internet are the happiest ones by far.
Obviously I could be blissful and ignorant but I feel compelled to fight. I think the best way to do it is to raise redpilled children outside of the state educational system if possible.
>>77592265
Yes I regret this time but I was young and dumb
>>77588721
Moi Pekka
>>77588563
Sort of. Was a little more economically left in HS but now ten years out and I've swung back significantly.
Always been a "leave me alone and I'll leave you alone" person on social issues.
New left people scare me.
The problem with right wingers is you think that way because your heart Chakrahs are closed. You fear too much and appreciate too little, because your father was too hard on you.
>>77593680
My dad's a hippie who gave me no discipline at all, I had to learn it for myself. Nice try though.
I went to college in America so yes i at one point in my life held ultra liberal views. This all changed when I entered the workforce and /pol/ deserves some credit as well.
>>77588563
Yep.
>>77593680
Actually I do yoga, and meditate.
All my chakras are open, and my third eye.
You are a brainwashed dumbass.
>>77588721
tpbp
as bitter as it sounds
>>77591634
Do you have to ask? pic related.
Though it takes time. The NSDAP needed 13 years to get into power.
>>77588563
No
What can I say to convert more of your kind
>>77593256
How do you imagine monarchy implemented in the US? Would there be a "federal" king?
>>77591578
Define the "Right" anon, I'm curious.
>>77590884
I'm Buddhist doesn't that count
>>77588721
This is so confusing and stupid.
Political beliefs change a l l t h e t i m e.
Stopped being one when I was about 13. Mostly to defy the huge leftist teachers who always tried to stop ebin non pc bantz between my friends and I. It was fun to draw swastikas everywhere and see them freak out and try to find the culprit
>>77593892
People had to be starving on the streets for Hitler to come to power, how bad does it have to get for the goyim to wake up?
>>77588563
I used to be indifferent, then right wing, now left wing. The only difference is that I'm racist
>>77593995
Anything that isn't left is right.
>>77593760
Eh I think I got lucky. Business mother, absent father, came into life pretty much solo grew into the realization that love is action and not always pretty. It is the most 'spiritual' ones who are usually the most hurt and cold hearted. Discipline is love, anger is self hate. Political fascism is a magnet for those that have been hurt the most. Usually the one who does this is a aggressive father.
>>77593922
That's honesty a tough point for me. I don't think we could ever return to the British crown, but plenty of dynasties stemming back from Antiquity and the so-called dark ages began with some war lord accumulating enough power and his progeny remaining strong enough to cement their family's claim. A populist who commanded enough respect from the People and the Military would probably be our best shot (I don't pretend to be qualified enough to pick a specific man).
If you're asking more about how the system would run after the monarchy is installed, I prefer absolutism, but considering our country's history we'd probably indeed have some sort of federal system.
>>77588563
Sure I used to be a kid. Raised in NY. Jew curriculum, jew media, jew entertainment.
Lived in bedstuy in the late 90's. Got red pilled as fuck.
>MFW realizing its all lie. Multiculturalism. Whites are evil. Niggers are good. Degeneracy is good. Feminism is good. All of it is a fucking lie.
I shed the warm blanket of lies that had been force fed to me since I was a child.
So when I see Leftists and SJW I know what they are from personal experience. I know exactly how they think. I know exactly what their indignation is about, I know exactly what their virtue signaling means.
I hate them but also recognize they are part of a kind of cult. A social religion.
Maybe not a complete lefty, but definitely idealistic. Islam is peaceful. Blacks are victims. Welfare is a just cause.
Then i moved out of my 98% white town, to an area with almost 30% Muslims. I started browsing /pol/ soon after, mostly out of a need to deal with the gaping holes in my worldview. Most my friends have similar stories too.
Once your bubble gets burst, it feels like that scene from "They Live", you can't go back.
>>77588563
>Anyone else here a former lefty?
Me, proud to say that I was redpilled by Trump.
my entire family is lefties
i've slowly realized that they willfully ignore pieces of information that they don't like, or find a reason that they can claim moral superiority over facts
i had only to look at what everyone PC was ignoring and whaddayaknow, suddenly i'm literally hitler
bet they're looking forward to thanksgiving this year
grandpa's always been pretty rational though, he'll likely agree with me on muslims
>>77588563
No. I've always been right-handed.
>>77588721
What did he mean by this
>>77588563
I was, then my family went down the shitter. Lost all our money, lost our house, lost the mountains of "privilege" everyone talked about. Spent two years homeless before clawing my way back into society.
Reality made me a racist, and hope for the future made me right wing. I'm not going back to poverty. Not ever. Not for your feelings, not for your safety, not because you took out stupid student loans, not because women feel oppressed. I am never going to part with a cent that the State does not pry from my broken, bloody fingers again.
>>77588721
This post takes pseudo-intellect to a new level.
>>77593680
Listen hippie. Your cultural revolution is reducing the west to rubble... and you have the unironic stupidity to come here pushing your hand me down spirituality now?!?!
You superficial liberal fuckwad.
>>77593680
You wish. Almost my entire family were lefties (Except my grandfather, a #Videlamissile at the time). The huge failure of the previous government made them mostly center-right
I was a radical leftie until I was red polled circa 2010. As such, I know how my political opposition thinks.
>>77588563
Yup
>>77594959
Also, I should state that I was red polled by race based IQ and behavioral arguments.
Leftist thought has been co-opted by the elite. It used to be anti-authoritarian/corruption. Now it's all about identity politics and muh feelings.
I still consider myself a classic liberal, but the left is so far gone from reality that i'm more toward the center of everything at this point. I had huge hope in Bernie, but recent events in the US and abroad have made me heavily consider voting for Trump. I never liked Hillary
>>77595287
Bernie is the literal polar opposite of classical liberal. Don't use words you don't understand.
>>77588563
Yes, and they were the worst days of my life. Ironically since I started working out I became more right wing, maybe there is a connection after all.
>>77595237
Leftism was pro-white up to and until they figured out that you can get aggregate unlimited political power by forming a coalition of non-whites. It's the literal party of brown fecundity.
Probably when I realized it wasn't about helping everybody.
It was about helping people who hate your guts and have no interest in reciprocating.
Realized I wasn't self loathing, so I became centrist. Now I sit back and watch the modern left be eaten alive by social justice warriors.
I'm a former objectivist, now Jill Stein supporter
>>77594894
Maybe a philosophy of peace isn't the cause. Maybe if you listened you wouldn't have destabilized the middle east and made the world a worse place to live.
>>77588721
This finn is either the best shitposter on here today or the stupidest poster on here in weeks
>>77595636
m8, don't talk to white americans about facts
they dindu nuffin
>>77593680
You are leaking your energy out of your penis chakrah and that's why you can't get a girlfriend
>>77590884
GTFO, RATO!
Collectivists vs Individualists will always be a concern in every group.
>>77588563
What's that saying? If you're a conservative in your youth you have no heart. If you're a liberal as an adult, you have no brain? I think that applies to most of us here.
FUCK THE LEFT!!!!! FKN SCUMMMMMMM!!!!!!
>>77595343
Bernie's whole campaign is about using words none of them understand.
>>77588563
I would say most people are, in schools you're taught how everyone should be treated equally and fairly from a young age and you (or at least I) took that and felt that this should work on a global scale. Once you grow up it's possible that you realise that not everyone has the same outlook, the same ideology and so it's impossible to be eternally benevolent because some ideologies just aren't compatible with yours, and even directly oppose it in many areas.
I think this is most apparent in Islam and the West, people still cling on to the fact that integration can happen, but this can only be successful if Muslims let go of some of the core beliefs of Islam, which is rare. Either that or we let go of Western beliefs, the two can't coexist peacefully for a substantial amount of time because eventually their core differences will be a source of conflict in the population. Not the kind of multicultural society that leftists envision but it's the one they're working towards. Not multiculturalism but cultural and racial enclaves that just create tension.
>>77596034
Hows that shaved head faring this cold winter?
>>77595343
kek dont trigger him burger hell bomb you guys again and da 1%!!!! we r the 99%!!!!! WALL STREET!!!
>>77595956
The saying is, if you life your life by sayings, you're a fucking idiot
The real truth is that the people who went from liberal to conservative are just experiencing a second adolescence wherein they feel the need to rebel against their surroundings
When you truly grow up and decide to treat the lives of others with the same seriousness you treat your own, you become liberal for good.
>>77596348
You can passive aggressively insult and put down people you don't agree with but you're just betraying a lack of life experience if you think all people and cultures have the same values as you do.
There's no "go along to get along" with everybody, you can only do this with others who have the same view.
>>77596538
lol what was passive aggressive about what I said? please dont' use terms you don't understand
as for the rest, what are you even talking about? I wasn't saying "go along to get along"; I have no clue where you got that from.
I'm saying that you people are just reacting to the people around you. You feel inundated with liberalness and you rebel because you cannot find yourself within it.
When you stop trying to rebel (or define yourself by others altogether) and simply look within to find who is the person there, you will become liberal.
When you think about the implicit assumptions and the outcomes of western capitalism (if you are smart enough to think about these objectively), and you compare it to what sort of person you want to be, you will realize that they conflict.
If you don't realize this, it is likely you are not truly thinking about one or the other of those things.
>>77596258
shut up strawman.. just go vote labor or the greens aye mate.. go on and make a difference hahahah
Well, I still am a lefty, really. Except I'm not an absolute retard, so I recognize that Islam is fundamentally incompatible with my values and with those of the West as a whole, I also recognize open borders are a detriment to advanced economies/societies and it's being pushed by a cabal of neoliberal globalist elites who have nothing but the interests of themselves, their cronies, and multinational corporations and international bankers in mind. Certainly don't have the interests of common peoples in mind. To half the population that would qualify me as right wing. That's how insane things have gotten and how tight their control of the narrative is.
>>77588563
Me I guess. I pretty much immediately became a right-winger when I got into politics, I only had some scattered leftist viewpoints before that.
I've gone through some phases though. Before my involvement in politics, I was a bit more moderate Bernie-type of guy. I was for gay marriage, legalization of weed and so on.
I started gaining interest in politics more in Spring 2015, and that's when I started disliking inmigration and more broadly, niggers. The """refugee""" """crisis""" happened, and the never-ending ride became faster, and more intense.
Then in the fall, I accidentally clicked on /pol/, not realizing I stepped into something I don't want to get in. This place then proceeded to swallow me in its depths.
A month went by, and I went NatSoc. Right about at the change of the year I started disliking socialism in all forms, which distanced me from NatSoc.
I became your typical right-wing, socially conservative but economically liberal and capitalistic dude. About a month back, I started shifting towards libertarianism. I was a pot smoker with slight bisexual tendencies (still am), so I pretty much just realized I was being a hypocrite for trying to hate gays and druggie degenerates. I have a strong feeling I'll stick with libertarianism for the rest of my life.
>>77595829
>individualist
>right wing
No you're just another special snowflake degenerate
>>77596961
Oh, I also recognize the idiocy and toxicity of the identity politics the modern, nu-left is advancing and I believe they're playing with fire that will burn us all.
>>77596961
But you cannot say that Islam is fundamentally incompatible. I understand that, perhaps from a certain perspective, it can seem this way, but to know decent muslims is to know that this isn't true. It is possible to be muslim and a good person. If that's so, the more tactful solution isn't to denounce islam. When you do that, you injure people who you don't want to because it is dear to them.
And it's so easy to demonize the one thing without demonizing the other; to lump them together is just intellectual laziness
I'm socially liberal but fiscally conservative.
>>77596965
i feel as if libertarianism in that sense can be kept as a utopian political belief.. sure, it would sound great and everything but we have to be realistic now is not the time for libertarianism. we need to take action and put aside our own utopian outlook of the world to do what is needed for the greater good.
>>77588721
Rly makes u think huhm
>>77588563
I would think most here are. Its that feeling of being stabbed in the back by my own commrads that keeps me on the Redpill. The difference between a right wing extremist and a lefty extremist is that the rights will back themselves away from that figure while the left will egg that figure on making the issue seem bigger than It really is.
>>77596846
You know what I meant, have you actually met people of other cultures before?
>When you stop trying to rebel (or define yourself by others altogether) and simply look within to find who is the person there, you will become liberal.
This is talking without saying nothing, it's like "inner beauty". It could mean anything, so it means nothing.
You're defining others as other versions of yourself, here. You're demonstrating a total inability to think of others as having different priorities.
>When you think about the implicit assumptions and the outcomes of western capitalism (if you are smart enough to think about these objectively), and you compare it to what sort of person you want to be, you will realize that they conflict.
No, because I know what capitalism is and what it isn't. By talking this way I can already see you're some butthurt marxist who hates the 1% but is likely in it himself (and has no interest in recusing himself from it, do you....do you?)
>>77588563
Yeah realized my mental illness was a side effect of my thinking
Been doing yoga with a conservative group
I am the spirit now
>>77588563
I was your typical student lefty in 2012. I'd say I'm more of a centrist now.
I have black friends, gay friends, and am fine with people being transgender. But I also voted UKIP last year because i'm sick of all these fucking foreigners and lefties turning my country into something i and a lot of other people didn't fucking ask for.
Stopped liberalism 2 years ago.
My entire life was a lie, thinking liberalism was the solution but in the end they hate nationalism and protecting values and morals that society needs to advance.
I found /pol/ in 2013, found 4chan in 2011. I love how much of a dick I turned out to be and how much easier it is to deny a hot crazy woman anything simply because.
Tbh as sociopathic and sadistic as most of you are, you turned my life around and I have no idea how I can repay /pol/
>>77597287
My libertarianism is a bit different though - I strongly oppose muslim immigration and fairly strongly oppose immigration as a whole. I think it's called national libertarianism/liberalism? Anyways, if I was head of state here in Finland, I'd put out facts for our people, and tell them to refute them. I like debating and unlike our national broadcasting institution which pumps straight out propaganda, I would encourage people to question me and the information I put out. If they can't, we'd be going our way. Libertarianism in its purest form worked in the early days of America - not anymore, Western civilization is under attack. After fixing that problem, I'd be more willing to implement more libertarian policies.
>>77597463
Of course I have met people from other cultures. What an idiotic question.
No, it means that, for instance, you probably don't agree with the treatment of factory farmed animals. But you probably also support and reward entities that engage in this.
Now, the implicit assumption of capitalism is "vote with your dollar" - a mantra you idiots repeat to no end. But the idea that you're voting when you're consuming fundamentally misunderstand both acts - consumption is totally mindless; voting requires mindfulness.
When you repeat (or adhere to) that mantra, you are outsourcing your vote so an entity that is sociopathic by design. It is to fail your duty as a person entirely.
Think about yourself and think about what capitalism leads to. Do they even resemble each other at all?
>>77595343
I worded that the wrong way. I was socially liberal before. I still lean left on social issues, but after considering what i've learned in economics about how a welfare state actually works, looking through history and seeing that welfare programs are detrimental in long run application i've begun drifting away from all but a few socialist ideas. I'm still figuring things out and considering new political ideas in this transitional period
>>77588563
I was a fullblown SJW.
I find it funny how in 2nd world countries, only those that didn't live in communism can be commies. I mean even Austrians in klagenfurt older than 30 aren't commies, since they were near it. Only idiotic and edgy kids can be communist. This is why we need to increase the voting age to 24.
>>77597181
I've read the Quran and many of the hadiths and I've read extensively on the history of Islam and it's spread(full discolsure, I was interested in converting in my late teens, bit discovered it REALLY wasn't for me.) If a muslim is a good, peaceful person tolerant of western values it is in spite of their religion. Islam is illiberal and authoritarian. I don't deny that there are good people who call themselves muslim. But I do reject this notion that "Islam is a religion of peace." We shouldn't fool ourselves into complacency because of our obsession with tolerance and inclusivity. Some things are just intolerable.
I was when the only information I was receiving was being shit out from the propaganda machine talmudvision and the public scool brainwashing factory.
Jon Steward was a silly comedian to me, but looking back I now realize how much of a vile liar he really was.
I also realize now how many of my teachers were lefty washout women.
>>77598068
Kek, I find your kind particularly funny.
>>77598240
To say that are that in spite of their religion is to assume a great many things about them and the influences of their life that you cannot know.
Have you never heard of criminals who find peace in Islam? Did they reform themselves in spite of it?
So what would you do with these good muslims? Denounce them? sounds stupid. Denigrate their faith? equally stupid. Not tolerate them? Force them to convert?
hm?
I used to think i was a lefty but i was a capitalist all along, so i guess im in the center.
>>77588563
I was raised conservative, have a shit ton of conservative values, but still lean left, though recently, its become kind of a joke.
>supports gays
>wants military spending increased
>thinks Obamacare is a step in the right direction
>prefers focus on economic policies rather than social welfare
>doesn't detest governmental tax policies or national parks
>supports gun rights
>>77597844
Great, a vegan.
I see a vitamin b12 deficiency had damaged your brain (resulting in liberalism/marxism).
Listen longhair, put down the bong, step out of the drum circle and actually pay attention.
Not everybody has the same values as you and some would happily kill you for existing and not even consider the idea extreme. Some others may also exercise principles but not ones you would.
For example, I've actually killed and eaten an animal before because I was hungry. I also buy local products because I prefer the money stay here in Australia than say, go to foreign companies which pay taxes to the USA which fund wars.
But others might have different ideas and I have to accept that, because see...I'm open minded.
But I also know I can't live with some viewpoints as they may for example, kill me for my sexuality if they were in charge.
>>77588603
>former
I shifted to the right after teaching in an urban middle school.
For a time. Deep down I always had rightist, authoritarian ideas. I believe part of my leftism was an attempt to compensate for them. Being a socialist etc is a way for teenagers to rebel by simply taking the liberal, egalitarian ideas of their society and pushing them. In other words, it is the safest rebellion.
I even considered myself an anarchist for a time although this was mainly to do with being against global capitalism.
I can answer questions about anarchist "communities" in the UK if anyone is interested.
Trump's announcement that he was running red pilled the shit out of me on immigration and the rest of the dominoes kinda fell from there. I guess once I had accepted that maybe my original viewpoint on things may be flawed I went back and reconsidered a lot of my stances on the issues. Michael Savage and Stefan Molyneux helped form more "right-wing" opinions, and then the San Bernardino and Orlando attacks made me read into Islam, Sharia, etc. I've got a shit load of liberal friends all slowly getting red pilled due to the fact that they're realizing what a cuck Bernie's become too.
mfw
No. I read Orwell's Animal Farm as a twelve year old.
>>77598694
I'm not saying you shouldn't eat animals, although you're right, I am a vegan.
What I'm saying is that you don't approve of the practices that get the meat to your table. You just don't; none of us do. And yet, we reward those practices constantly. Why is that? It is because we are being told that we implicitly approve of those practices by the act of consumption, because that consumption is actually voting.
But to think about consumption, and to think about voting, is to understand the abject falsehood of that notion. That notion which is the basis for capitalism.
>>77588721
>Euphoric because you can smell your own anus
dawg, leftism mostly is comprised of women, men who want those women and people dependent on the government. How exactly is that "the only rational position".
>>77589746
Rw
>>77589746
>I've actually been veering more to the left lately.
> "Maybe we should raise taxes, offer universal healthcare and pay for useful college degrees (ie, STEM, not Ethnic studies)."
>Granted, as I've gone leftward on Economics, I've drifted far to the right on every other spectrum.
Get out of here with your reasonable post, do you know where you are?
>>77588563
Yes.
I should have taken the blue pill instead.
>>77590090
>haven't been happy for over a year
You've got some time to go kek
Read some Meditations by Marcus Aurelius if you want an old yet relevant perspective that might help alleviate some of the stress and anxiety
>>77588563
Me.
My dad is an extreme conservative and he used to beat me and abuse me emotionally on a daily basis, so I relied on my mom for "the truth" and what to believe,
She was extremely liberal.
I only became un-libtarded when I decided to rely on actual logic, common sense, and proven fact along with statistics, and realized leftist ideals are mostly bullshit.
It was simple.
>>77599050
This really. Ignorance is bliss.
I was much happier as your typical young adult with no interest in politics.
>>77589655
>natsoc
Do you mean Hitler's natsoc, which wasn't too socialist, or do you mean what would actually be national socialism, a left-wing economic system?
>>77599184
same desu :'(
Yeah. I grew up in a Democrat household where my parents constantly talked about how stupid George Bush was and how all Republicans were racist.
I swallowed everything they said and I watched nothing but MSNBC and read nothing but HuffPo until I was around 12.
There were a few moments before then where my conditioning cracked a bit, though. Like one time when I was 10 and I witnessed a bunch of black kids chimping out at my school, and I basically decided to myself that I just didn't like black people as much as white people.
But being redpilled was a long and slow process over the course of 8 years or so browsing other alternative media and 4chan. It's been a long road, and looking back on who I used to be is depressing as hell.
>fedorafag "nihilist", pretentious as fuck
I'm sorry for debating all of you christfags. I know the bible is imperfect but at least you're better than all the pinko degenerates
>>77599291
question:
If you had seen white kids attacking a black kid, would you have decided that you didn't like white people?
>>77590090
>>77599050
Poster of >>77599163 here, and I don't understand this. Once red pilled I've been much happier knowing I'm not practically fucking deranged and retarded and believe a bunch of bullshit with no scientific, logical, or sensical support. It's great.
>>77588563
When I was 14-15. Stopped it very quickly and did a 180.
>>77598983
>What I'm saying is that you don't approve of the practices that get the meat to your table. You just don't; none of us do. And yet, we reward those practices constantly.
I know what it entails, I even know a guy who cleans abattoirs.
>Why is that?
Easy, out of sight out of mind. People ignore demographic crime rates for example because they don't see them. Conversely they think "assault weapons" are a scourge (despite killing fuck all people statistically) because it's on TV all the time.
Veganism would go up enormously tomorrow if slaughter videos were shown every night at dinner and the president said meat eaters were all fags.
Halal slaughter I consider barbarism, at least what we have tries to be faster about it. Halal is just......well I assume you've seen enough footage.
>>77593828
I know so many tumblr chicks who boast that "Isis isn't Muslim". ISIS follows the Quran to the fuckin T.
>>77588563
Yeah, me. I voted for Obama in 2008 when I was 18 and thought that he was the greatest thing ever. Then I discovered /pol/ and realized that liberals don't have any logical stances on any modern issue; they simply just oppose whatever the right believes.
>You don't need a gun, just bend over and let him rape you!
>A baby isn't a human, it's just a clump of cells!
>Illegal immigrants come here out of love, not because they want to reclaim the southwest!
>What do you mean free shit is bad? We can afford free college and healthcare, just tax the productive more! They won't move!
>What do you mean he's not a girl? He thinks he's a girl, therefore, he is one, you transphobic pos!
>Islam is the religion of peace! No I don't want to read that passage that says to kill infidels and gays in the Quran. That imam is so nice!
Liberalism is truly a mental disorder.
>>77598460
>Denigrate their faith?
The left has been doing this to Christianity with a great deal of glee and zeal for a very long time. I see no reason why Islam should be immune to having it's feet held to the fire, so to speak. So many of my friends will bash christians and christianity without hesitation or compunction and turn right around and defend Islam like a closely guarder treasure. It's hypocricy. Why? Why the double standard? Because when Islam is questioned or ridiculed or exposed some of it's followers riot or kill or bomb? Kowing to the threat of violence is unacceptable imo, and I really feel as though that's where the "we mustn't offend muslims" streak was born.
But as to denigrating, I personally don't think it's right to do that to anyone. Appeal to reason and expose inconsistencies and fallacies, yes.
I've gotta run, but I appreciate the conversation, it's something most of my friends won't even do. Talk about it. It's verboten to them, which I find distressing. All topics should be open to discussion.
>>77593828
these are great
>>77588563
i used to be a lefty until i went to the occupy in my city and then nope
>>77599377
Yeah and if it were leprechauns he'd hate leprechauns.
>>77599395
we have poster ID's you dont need to remind us which one u posted
>>77599541
Im in the same boat as you
Liberalism is a mental disorder
Also nice edit you have there
>>77599377
They weren't attacking anyone, they were just being assholes.
It was more than just being rude or violent, they were acting like animals who just didn't care about anyone but themselves and whatever shit they could get their hands on.
Had I seen other white people doing it that would have seemed totally bizarre, because I know hundreds of white people and none of them behave that way.
>tfw was a delusional anarcho imbecile who thought a "free" society was possible
>tfw now a libertarian fascist
>>77599714
Sorry, I usually lurk here and somehow didn't pick up on that. My bad.
>>77588721
This is some advance shitposting r-right?
no
started as a libertarian/Ayn Rand type, then became more of a nationalist
>>77599297
I was also a vehement atheist for a good number of years, although I can't necessarily blame myself (even though I have done a complete 180 on my position). I was never properly educated on matters of god and church, and I say this having gone to church weekly until I was 18, well after I stopped believing in god. Their approach was intellectually lazy, and purely exoteric. Nothing meant anything. None of it made sense from the perspective they presented it, it was stripped of all esoteric and historical context. I read some William James, Mircea Eliade, and Joseph Campbell. I had my "holy shit" moment when I realized that there WAS a point to all of this, and a damn good one too. I was just ignorant of it, through no fault of my own.
Currently enrolled in a philosophy and religion program, based Kierkegaard. No longer a leftist either.
>getting brainwashed
>ever
No
>>77588563
I never felt comfortable in a left/right box mentality.
I was raised by a marxist mother though.
I look like a hippie, but I am not.
>>77599467
You are answering mere moments of my posts, without understanding them in the completeness
I'm not asking you about what you know. If you don't understand even that, you didn't understand my post at all.
but you're right - if people were shown, they would resolve to become vegan. Or they would resolve that, and then eat meat because of mindlessness.
And that is my point. Capitalism tells me that we're okay with what they do because we buy the shit that is the result. But that isn't true, because we aren't voting with our dollars - we are buying with our dollars and nothing more.
It's okay to allow ourselves to think and put fetters on capitalism. Capitalism's contention is that those fetters should come from boycotts, decreased sales, etc. But we don't buy like that. We don't buy with a view to building a society. If we think those practices shouldn't be allowed, we should disallow them - not through boycotts, because consumption is mindless. We should disallow them when we have occasion to think about what should be allowed.
>>77588563
Yes.
I remember telling my mother to vote for Hillary in 2008 because "it'd be cool to have a woman in the White House". I was 16.
>>77588563
All of us are famalam, Leftists are are all about their fantasy world where everybody is happy and fine, but reality is far different.
>>77593892
It's about god damn time. I'd rather have a second hitler than neo-islamic caliphate anyday
>>77599776
>Had I seen other white people doing it that would have seemed totally bizarre, because I know hundreds of white people and none of them behave that way.
So you wouldn't have.
It just strikes me that white people have a tendency to see black people doing something, and then apply that to all black people. How can you think that makes sense?
I started out as libertarian desu.
>>77599944
>According to latest surveys more than 78% of all women in sweden feel contempt for their own men and prefer BBC.
>>77597025
Mussolini was an atheist up until his death
>>77599548
What does the left have to do with me?
I don't denigrate Christianity and I never would
ARe you conservative because you don't like what the left did? This is precisely what I'm accusing you of.
LOOK
WITHIN
YOURSELF
You needn't denigrate Islam, and I would never denigrate Christianity. I blame bad people for the bad things that they do.
>>77588563
>Leftist anarchist as a child
>Libertarian as a teen
>Nat soc/Fascist as a young adult
>Leaning towards nihilism as I get older
The black pill is the hardest to swallow
When I was in high school back in 2006-08 i was obsessed with Communism. I got a bunch of books out of the library about Trotsky, Stalin, Lenin, those guys fascinated the hell out of me. I even read the entirety of Trotsky's "My Life."
Despite all this though, I always realized of course that Communism was a pipe dream and it could never work. I'd make fun of it quite often. But I must admit, I did feel my heart swell with excitement and pride when I said "Workers of the World Unite!" and thought about the "ideals." I had no idea that all those pamphlets would make their way into the world enough to influence it, especially America. And what do you know, here we are 10 years later with all of the young people heavily brainwashed into Cultural Marxism.
I see how so many of you are saying they would rather have taken the blue pill, that life has been so much less fun since discovering pol. I feel the exact opposite.
My life has become infinitely more exciting and substantial after becoming aware of and making sense of the world's destruction. Connecting the dots has provided satisfaction and answers. I feel rooted now, instead of walking down the street with my white guilt thinking 'geee, i wonder why the world is so fucked up."
At this time last year all I could think about was my cuck boyfriend, paying the bills, and frivolous bullshit. Granted I still pay the bills and I got rid of the cuck long ago, but now my mind is filled with deep contemplation of everything I read in pol at nearly all times.
I think to myself, what the hell was I even doing before? I look around at the world and the degeneracy and know why they are like that. I look at my broken home and family life and now realize it was part of a deliberate plan to destroy Western Civilization. Do you know how gratifying it is to go through your whole life wondering why your family is as shattered as a mirror in an alley, discovering pol, and then realizing it all makes sense and you're not alone?
>>77599967
Yeah, word Sifu, I have to get back to doing the lotus position in the shade around my Chinese pond.
I'll eat more vegtables, in the mean time you remember to not allow yourself to turn into the third world unless you want to go back to getting all the bad shit of the last 200 years and none of the good.
>>77598962
>the chickens actually think they'd live like pigs under a communist regime
>>77600017
most democrats think like that despite being a adult for decades
It doesn't mean much, but last election I was pretty pissed at my family so I voted for Obama out of spite.
Continuing on, I always teetered between left and right, mainly because I'm in the center.
/pol/ just made me hate women, niggers, Jews, spics, chinks, and SJWs, and liberals even more. You uncovered the massive amount of double think they all have. Moreover, they don't even see the hypocrisy in their own beliefs.
For example, cops are pigs and evil, yet guns should be taken away. Great, but the people won't have anything to defend themselves with against a tyrannical government. Another one is the constant "open borders and free state" yet they ban and silence any "hate words". A free state doesn't live when there is still oppression.
>>77591007
>tfw social studies teacher made me a righty
One day we were talking about the second amendment which I loved as a gun enthusiast and he said democrats hate it. After that we talked a bunch about it and he made me see a new perspective. If you're lurking mr Reinhart, thanks a million.
>>77598526
this is the definition of irony
have a lovely day isrealifag
Nope i was never a lefty, i was born and took the redpill from birth, living in a majority immigrant area does that to you. If you live in a white area and don't have to live with these subhumans i can see why you would be a liberal.
>>77588563
Former SJW red haired atheist dyke, now an Orthodox Christian and a National Socialist.
Weird stuff famalam.
>>77600384
I don't want to go back anywhere
Your need to characterize me as some sort of hippie (or anything at all) is telling
My posts have words, and those words are arguing a position. The thing posting those words is irrelevant
And none of those words says anything about being a luddite, or hating society or anything. They are about the clear disconnect between my morality and the outcomes of unfettered capitalism. You feel this disconnect to.
The difference is that I see it and allow it to be true, whereas you reject it, presumably because you are afraid of being seen as a hippie.
again, stop reacting. look within and notice how its different from what capitalism results in
>>77588721
dis bait do
>>77600262
Nihilists accomplish nothing
