SOCIALISM: the CRAZY idea that workers have rights.
>>77586188
>(you)
>>77586188
Damn, guess i'm a #marxmissile now
Really made me think, OP.
>>77586188
Workers have a right to do what exactly? Other workers money?
>>77586188
Yep, thats Brazil tier propaganda alright.
>>77586188
>>77586188
Workers rights and redistributing wealth along arbitrary guidelines instituted by a detached ruling elite are two very different things, senpai...
Working hard doesn't mean you deserve or earn something. If that was the case, I would dig holes all day, every day, and the State would owe me billions of dollars.
>>77586188
SOCIALISM: The crazy idea that USSR, North Korea, Venezuela, Cambodia, Cuba, Pre-Deng China etc are all models to emulate while 1st world countries are awful hellholes.
>>77586419
Why is the sky burning out side? Hell? Socialism only works in hell.
>>77586366
BUT THERE IS NO MONEY IN A COMMUNIST SOCIETY. MONEY AND THE STATE GO AWAY AFTER A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME WHEN SOCIALISM IS INSTALLED FOR SOME REASON AND SOMEHOW. AND I KNOW THAT ALL OF THE AUTHORITARIANS THAT GOT POWER SAID THEY WANTED TO TRY COMMUNISM, BUT COMMUNISM WAS NEVER TRIED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>77586188
Because Captialism is just one thing, rite? Just let me make the following claim: Worker rights in the 1980s BRD were far better than the worker rights in any socialist country ever. Especially the GDR.
>>77586419
Looks like a nuke is going off in the socialism pic
>>77586419
LOL FUCKING WHAT
do they not remember the state of the Soviet electronics industry at the time of collapse?
It was called "smuggle in Apples/IBMs/Commodores from the USA, take them apart, try to clone the hardware, and fail"
also
>burguesia
>>77586188
the right for fair pay? That pretty much settles itself if you let the market handle it.
A share of the production? You can always take the money you earned and buy stocks of the company you work in.
Your boss would even love that.
>>77586188
venezuela
this just in
the faggot who always forgets to take the pickles off of your sandwich at Hardee's works harder than your average CEO.
>>77586419
remind me again: How far was USSR productivity ahead of the west again? Must be a lot since socialism seems to mean automatization.
>>77586419
Funny how in real life it's otherwise - "capitalist pigs" have robots, while socialist factories assemble things with their hands, because "people need jobs"
>>77586188
So if I pay you an agreed upon sum to make a chair out of my wood, then sell that chair, that's theft.
But if the government takes my wood and forces you to make the chair for free, but keeps us and feeds us like slaves, that's not theft.
>>77586188
If i wanna give my son a sweet sports car so he can smash pussy on the weekend. Then thats my right to do whatever i want with my money. I didnt make a shit ton of money soo half of it could be taxed. Fucking the lil nigglets only see like 20% of it, and the rest gets embezzled by fucking shady local politicians that rig elections with dead peoples social security codes
>>77586675
yeah, because everybody knows shareholders love lazy CEOs.
>>77586188
ignore and sage slide threads
>>77586188
lel OP, I am sure you consider Venezuela a great success in this regard - they only work 2 days a week !
>>77586188
Every fucking post lately
>>77586188
>the people who create, maintain and innovate businesses are not worth more than factory line workers
I know Brazil is a shit hole, but please.
>>77586188
You dumb fuck. You are supplying firms labor, don't like what you're being paid, change it. Whether that be through negotiation, finding a new job, or learning new skills. If you cant manage that then you are a lazy cuck who deserves to dumpster dive to stay fed.
More like:
>why work harder or even work at all when there's no incentive?
>>77586947
The layering of the hooks in that image trigger me.
>>77586419
>robots do all the work
lol, that isn't socialism
How the fuck can you be pro socialism when your neighbour is Venezuela?
Was that not real socialism?
>>77586829
Funny how the same board which believes the economy doesn't need a central government to remain organized and fair also defends overpaid CEOs who do nearly nothing all day because apparently without them corporations would crumble. The cognitive dissonance is nearly tangible.
>>77587137
I want to see you do nothing all day and still make a company make money.
>>77587078
optical illusion
>>77586580
In some jobs, being allotted shares in your company is a typical benefit...
>>77587015
>CEOs are who create and maintain and innovate businesses
I'll just assume you're trolling.
>>77587117
How can it be socialism if there's no social justice?
The only true examples of socialism are Scandinavian states.
>>77586188
you posted a thumbnail proving your internet and socialism is shit
>>77587137
so unions should control factories or what ?
>>77587233
Are you even trying? 0/10
>>77587256
Look up Mondragon Corporation for example. CEOs are obsolete.
>>77587262
Whoa nice argument there fagtron, you sure convinced me with those hot opinions.
>>77586821
"your money" is a social construct that doesn't exist without the society allowing you to have it
>>77587312
I don't need to convince you of anything, you dirty commie.
>>77587236
>he stepped on her hand
lel
the weak should fear the strong
>>77586188
>1 post by this ID
>>77586188
ah no. Fuck off.
>>77586419
Just like home...
>>77586821
This.
>"Poverty has risen in Nigeria, with almost 100 million people living on less than a $1 (£0.63) a day, despite economic growth..."
Yet Nigeria paid $700,000 twice for Clinton speeches...
And people think that the Queen of Corruption Hillary should be prez. Blindness.
>>77587411
IDs are unique per thread, you tech illiterate. Nearly every poster ITT has 1 post by this ID.
This is the level of the reactionary scum in this board.
>>77586419
>socialism
>nobody actually working, just there to count as present
Pic's accurate, yo.
>>77587233
You mean Denmark where they have some sort of combination of nationalism and socialism?
Or Norway where their entire economy depends on oil and mineral prices?
Or Sweden which is getting ever closer to social collapse?
Or Finland where there is no concept of government and everyone roams the Finnish Steppe doing whatever their Khan tells them?
Keep in mind that all of these countries, bar Sweden, have a small, homogenous population.
>>77587137
>CEOs who do nearly nothing all day
Holy shit >>77586675 I was joking man
people actually believe that?
>>77587486
How new are you, exactly?
>>77587233
>How can it be socialism if there's no social justice?
men and women are different commie deal with it
>>77586419
>trabalham
working
>fabrica
fabricating/making/producing
>propriedade privada
private property/business
>terras,minas,fabricas,bancos
farms,mines,factories, banks
>objectivo
objective/goal
>lucros
profit
>decisoes
decisions
I should learn portuguese, its pretty easy to understand if you already know English and some French.
>>77587486
You're not the sharpest tool in the shed, are you?
>>77586188
But that's not all it's about is it?
Most 'socialists' simply see socialism as a way to communism. No 'socialist' ever explains what they are agitating for or when enough is enough. The left wing is essentially a constant force for change, assuming wrongly that any change = progress and progress = good.
>>77587641
>>77587594
The funny part is you actually believe you're right.
>>77586419
what a shithole.
>>77587137
>shareholders have no other goal than to make money
>shareholders can vote on CEO salaries
>somehow CEO's still end up """"""overpaid""""""
>>77587312
>company worth 20M in assets
Wake us up when commies organize something of actual scope
>>77587233
>social justice
Worked out excellent in Russia and China. I think the Chinese Cultural Revolution of '66-'76 is the most important historical example of what "social justice" can do to a society.
Pic related, university professor being publicly shamed and executed afterwards for being "rightist".
>>77586601
Do you malfunction whenever you want to donate items to charity?
>Oh NOES ~~~ these goods have no market value, I couldn't possibly know how to allocate them efficiently! I want to donate them but then they would lack prices and, and, and, I can't comprehend how a market system would function without prices!!! I hope nobody invites me to their birthday party this year, 'coz then I'd really have a melt-down.
Is what you sound like.
rly makes u think.........................
>>77587486
>getting this buttmad
Is this how they do in r/socialism?
>>77587572
Keep in mind that huetards regularly reelect socialists
>>77587706
Which is kind of ironic, since that's more reactionary than the people they call reactionaries. It's a slippery slope of a never-ending gibsmedat. What's different this time is that they figured out how to corrupt democracy and moderate voters into submission.
>>77586188
Socialism would be fine if it was National. It has turned into the opposite here though: International Socialism - the dead serious idea that we're all one people but Western people have no identity, culture, or nations but somehow magically have a place everyone else wants to live in, and so we should have open borders so that the Western tax payers can pay for a creche for all the helpless babies of the world to come be pampered in.
>>77587486
The
>1 post by this user
meme came about because of hit and run shitposting. If you believe your point in OP and are willing to argue it, you'll have more than one post in the thread. Of course you're at three posts now and have yet to make an argument in favour of socialism, so the
>1 post
isn't foolproof.
>>77587784
is there a canada flag hanging out under there?
>>77587913
You mean fraudulent voting machines keep electing socialist scum.
>>77587731
Watch your mouth kebab boy. Brazil is huge and has different types of people in its territoty. The south is majority white and it's not a shithole.
socialism does not improve lives only capitalism does
>>77588019
Loosen your tinfoil hat, it's cutting off circulation to your brain.
>>77588081
Make an argument any time, /leftypol/
>>77586188
funny, under communism (what you call socialism) workers don't even have a right to a representative union...
>>77586188
Stop embarassing our country idiot.
>>77587471
Lol everyone missed this, 10/10 but probably a proxy.
>>77588278
silly goy- I mean guy, the government is the only union you need
>>77587233
Coé pivete, tá tirando em fórum gringo?
my apologies for his failed attempt to shitpost,not all in Brazil are like this
>>77587784
You realize you're defending something that even Socialists knew was retarded?
Mises pointed out the problems for the west of Europe but internally the Socialist nations of the times had been debating it and realized that shit is impossible. Lenin warned Trotsky it was idiotic and would just create a hyper bureaucracy.
Reminder that socialism was designed to fail and be a stepping stone to communism.
It was just a tool, not the end goal, they knew it was hard to get people to be for communism, so they needed to force them into a state where they are dependent on the government handsouts, and then the handouts dry up.. so they need to get more radical.
Going backwards is much harder than going forwards to communism at that point.
>>77588040
RARE
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>>77586188
how is gibsmedat working out for Brazil?
socialism was made to fish votes, nothing more. who would say no to free money
>>77588016
I have relatives in Canada, but I've never spoken to them.
>>77588404
>You realize you're defending something that even Socialists knew was retarded?
No, because you're talking out of your ass. Mises exaggerated a minor issue and bloated it to the size where, to Austrian cultists --because nobody else takes it seriously--, the socialist tower of prosperity collapses under the fictitious weight of the economic calculation problem.
>Lenin warned Trotsky it was idiotic and would just create a hyper bureaucracy.
[citation needed]
>>77588727
>how is gibsmedat working out for Brazil?
How is this socialism?
Socialism = workers own the means of production
Do the workers in Brazil own the means of production? No? Then the country ain't socialist.
>>77586188
How is that socislm working there Huebro?
>>77587612
small tip, Canadian friend:
the accent in
>fábrica
means the word is "factory". Without the accent, it becomes a conjugated form of the verb "fabricar", which is then similar in meaning to what you said.
>>77586318
>practice your #Marxmanship
>>77587784
Achmed, Ramadan is getting to your head, innit?
Socialism is the creationism of economics. Now you shove off... back to your culture destruction...
>>77588910
That's communism
>>77586188
There is no truth but marxism and socialism is its messenger
>>77587137
i knew Brazilians had monkey brains, but that comment proves I overestimated monkeys
>>77589041
Which is the only way. The means of the production must fall in the hands of the workers in order to end capitalism
>>77588612
stop posting that
>>77588927
Good untill CIA scum started medling in the affairs of soveriegn socialist Brazil
>>77588963
Kewl. I have literally no education in the language at all, just going by how the words sound compared to English/French ones.
>>77589041
Socialism = communism
Nowadays socialism is used to refer to a country with a large welfare state, but that isn't actual socialism.
>>77589035
Well, here's a list of Marxian economists. I warn you, the list is quite big.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Marxian_economists
When you remove labor as a component of the economy (e.g. due to automation), you need socialism.
If you don't understand that, you're incredibly stupid.
>>77587233
What the hell are you on about, scandinavia being socialist?
Our markets are some of the freest in the entire world. Did you get the zika-virus or something? Your head must be shrinking...
>>77589251
Communism is the workers owning the means of production.
Socialism is the state owning the means of productions.
Only when the workers=the state does communism=socialism.
>>77586419
Please, don't generalize it. Not everyone of us is fucked in the head.
>>77586188
Also, a question for you, my favelabro
If the collapse of many socialists regimes do not represent the ruin of socialism, why crisis like in 2008 represent the ruin of capitalism?
>>77589391
How would the workers own the means of production if not through a state.. I am genuinely interested in this...
>>77589494
And even if it proved the failure of capitalism, how does it compare to literally millions of people starving to death during socialist failures...
>>77586188
>Be leftard
>Claim that socialism works with no good examples
>Insist that the only good socialist country in history was capitalist
>>77589567
I have talked to several anarchist communists about this very question and basically it comes down to group think re-enforced by mob violence.
>>77589696
All in the name of solidarity.
I am a strategic logistics director at a very large corporation. There is no way in hell it would be possible to democratically decide what would be best to do in my position. How would a guy on the ground floor have any clue about the decisions i am in charge of making... Absolute insanity..
>>77589678
>be a conservatard
>point out that "socialism always fails"
>fallacy of the single cause
>ignore the fact that every dynasty, dictatorship, democracy, republic, etc in history has fallen
>>77586188
>Brazil
>>77588027
Sorry João.
>>77589891
America hasn't fallen yet you pinko faggot.
We teeter on the edge, thanks to your kind but we have not fallen yet.
>>77589494
How many people died in 2008 because of the crash?
>>77589148
You really are though. I don't think I've ever seen you before.
>>77589891
Name a country that has failed because it was too capitalist, then? Where have free trade made a country fail in the entire history of the world. I can name a couple of handfuls of socialist countries, where too little free trade have caused such a failure.
>>77590145
Bourgeoisie revolutions are a librul conspiracy, just like everything else that doesn't fit your worldview.
>>77588027
>South Brazil is whiiiiiiiiite
kek
The US is a socialist country.
All means of production are controlled by the state.
>>77590281
No i don't think there is anything "librul" about a revolution. It is however a socialist conspiracy, obviously... And son, this is not a world view. It is the world. You seem very confused...
