Have you taken up the banner of the immortal science of Marxism-Leninism yet /pol/?
yo
>>77562821
>being this much of a classcuck
>>77563044
I think you got lost on the way to Reddit.
Since I'm so generous, I'll provide you with a link, friendo.
>>http://www.reddit.com
Thanks for stopping by.
>>77563044
> being this economically illiterate
Get out of your mom's basement and get a real job, nigger.
>>77563377
Go study the Law of Value, liberal
>unironically being a commie
[helicopter intensifies]
Marx never worked a day in his life.
SEIZE
>>77562660
I think marxism needs a new branding campaign. The word marxism just triggers people and does not explain why capitalism is crisis prone and alienates members of a society.
>>77563377
>Muh free market
>>77563687
What? Marx was an economist. Marxism is the result of Marx's lifetime of work. You could just as easily say Adam Smith or Milton Friedman never worked a day in their lives.
>>77562660
>suporrting the non religous version of slavery
>go back making lines for free food and dont grab extra cause you will be killed
>>77564143
he was a journalist. please stop.
>>77564143
>Marx
>economist
>>77564282
>>77564335
Have you ever read Capital? It's a book about economics
>>77564492
And a fucking retarded one at that.
>>77564492
It has more philosophy than economics
>>77564665
>>77564694
>>77564492
It's the biggest economics scam of whole history.
>>77564492
He received his money from writing for the Tribune etc.
if I spend my whole life as a gardener and then, shortly before my death, write a book about doplhins, that hardly means I made my living as a biologist. please stop.
>>77564718
>everyone who disagrees with my terrible ideology that has proven itself to be incompatible with basic human nature doesn't know what they're talking about
>>77562660
>communists
>pro science
If you don't accept that evolution above the neck exists then you are not pro science.
There is literally nothing wrong with inequality
>>77564832
Paid labor is not the only form of labor. Marx wrote Capital throughout his life, not shortly before his death
>>77562660
>immortal
No one will remember it after this century.
>>77564718
>Qouting a rapist responsable for the biggest Genocide in history
>They guy Who Literally killed years Worth of culture
If building a wall would Keep your kind away am all in favor of it
>>77564895
>There is literally nothing wrong with inequality
Don't cut yourself on all that edge
>>77565024
There is literally nothing wrong with inequality
Equality is a buzzword spouted by mental midgets
>>77565024
There Isnt
No one is equal
No one digests Expirience the same
>>77564918
that hardly qualifies as "making a living as an economist".
PLEASE
STOP
>>77564895
Marxism says literally nothing about that though.
If you want to talk about science, genetically, Humans are pretty much the same except for minor morphological adaptations. Humans of pretty much any racial composition, raised by their biological parents in the same socio-economic level will tend to produce similar results in intelligence, Fitness, Strength, Social capacities.
Most of the "Differences" Between "races" typically discussed in statistics are pretty easily ascribable to the effects of social and economic factors of development of large swaths of persons classifiable under that "race".
There are a few small pockets of mutants around the world who've been isolated from the rest of the world for thousands of years, but they are more of an oddity than the norm.
>>77565024
Please tell me what's wrong with inequality without using muh feels as an argument
>>77565094
>the only way you can be something is if you make money off of it
Marx was an economist in addition to working as a journalist. What is so hard to understand about that?
>>77565204
Marx was not an economist
>>77565222
Mises was not an economist
>>77565367
>>77565166
What is good about inequality without using muh feels as an argument?
>>77565501
The natural order
>>77565526
So
>Muh feels
Way to go, /pol/
>>77565416
>>77565204
that he didnt made a dime out of Das Kapital until very late in his life.
>>77565586
I don't see how that is "muh feels"
>>77565611
What does that have to do with anything?
>MFW i see dumb anti-marxist anti-russian propaganda everywhere in the US and the UK
good job guys
>>77565625
>Why is it better?
>Because it's natural
Literally like a suburban mom afraid of GMOs
>>77565670
Nice crop, faggot
>>77565704
Marxism is anti-Russian
>>77565670
And right under it says economist as well. Good job.
>>77565586
He's an idealist liberal, don't listen to anything he says
>>77565754
i was expecting this meme....thanks
>>77565666
that he didn't "work" as an economist.
are you dense?
>>77565587
A failed economist
All latin america Who applied Marx What they got ; Shit
What did china got; Shit and a lost culture
I want you to go to Cuba and go to the common non tourist parts of town and then comeback to this thread and tell Marx is a good economist
>>77565782
I'm sorry I must be mistaken and thought that capitalism killed the Russian Empire
Kill yourself pls
>>77565526
Nice. Not feels at all. Nothing but cold, rational facts.
>>77563044
Hm, tell me how I'm a cuck for not being led and administered by commies.
>>77564492
I read it and its shit
>>77562660
The leaders of Communism are All JEWS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBzmiLWFGgg
Putin; 80-85% Bolsheviks Revolution were Jews
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6p1zxKnDeM
THE NEW WORLD ORDER IS "COMMUNISM"
http://snippits-and-slappits.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-new-world-order-is-communism.html
The Secret Holocaust - The real holocaust was a Christian Holocaust by Jews of sixty-six million, mostly Christians.
http://www.rense.com/general86/realholo.htm
Communist Atrocities and War Crimes from 1918 - 1945
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9fFg923PmE
Ilya Ehrenberg - The Man Who Invented The 'Six Million'
http://rense.com/general75/ehr.htm
The Jewish Role in the Bolshevik Revolution and Russia's Early Soviet Regime
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html
THE GULAG ARCHIPELAGO - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
http://www.thechristianidentityforum.net/downloads/Gulag1.pdf
Russia and the Jews
http://www.germanvictims.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/WALENDYsolje-Russia-and-the-Jews.pdf
A collection of reports on Bolshevism in Russia
https://archive.org/details/collectionofrepo00grea
200 Years Together
http://www.radicalpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/200-Years-Together.pdf
>>77562660
>Leninism
Absolutely shit-tier.
>>77562660
Fuck this shit.
>>77565811
He did work as an economist. He wrote a lifetimelifetime of books, essays, and various works about economics. These things did not materialize by themselves. Just because he did not earn his income off of this labor does not disqualify it from being labor.
>>77565934
either a proxy, or a liberal faggot
>>77565868
So cold
>>77565897
And here comes a link spamming stormtard
>>77565114
>same
>different skulls
>different everything
>same
how did you come to this conclusion newton?
>>77565704
>temperley simpson edits are now going viral
the internet did not prepare me for this
>>77565501
Observe nature and see that it is natural that things tend to organize in order to form a hierarchy
If the nature argument doesn't suit you
>How to identify plunder
>See if the law takes from persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong.
>See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime.
If anything, egalitarianism is immoral.
Either way, the burden of proof is on you, commie scum. Answer my question
>>77566009
it is my OC
>>77565971
triggered commie in 3...2....1
>>77565937
"how did Marx earn his living?"
"he wrote about economics"
"did he receive any money from that?"
"no"
I'm done.
I have, I finally saw the light after being just light liberal
>>77565827
Okay let's compare Cuba to Puerto Rico. The US has had control of PR for well over 100 years (since 1898) and it's a basket case. It is bankrupt with over $80 billion in debt, a poverty rate at over over 45%, and real unemployment rate over 20%. Cuba has a lower infant mortality rate and a longer life expectancy that does PR. In fact Cuba, which has been embargoed by the US for over 50 years, has social indicators on par with the world’s most developed nations in categories such as literacy, infant mortality, life expectancy, healthcare quality and coverage, and educational access. On the other hand PR lags far behind even though it has the great American capitalist economic model to emulate. Please tell me which people have been betrayed?
>>77566051
Nothing compared to the crimes of capitalism
>>77565937
Marx literally leeched off of Engels and was a NEET
He was a hack
>gommunism
This meme again? Obviously we should just let the free market run an entirely unregulated course. People should only be responsible for themselves and nobody else.
>attempting to control the free market
That's the other meme. If you try to place regulations on businesses, then they'll all just stop producing. They'll pack up their shit and leave and industry will just collapse.
>>77566118
go on name those crimes
>>77566106
>Cuba is advanced
lol
>>77565971
Isnt colder and more greedy for One party abuse the poor and convince them to vote for them Just for the party to have control over All the means and giving the poor the minimum requiered ammount of food while the "revolutionary party" eats cake Last time i checked not a single commie leader waited on the bread lines
Workers party My ass You are a bunch of corrupt controlling fucks
>>77566056
He didn't earn his living as an economist. I never said that. He still worked as an economist. Earning a living does not equal work
>>77566102
Welcome, comrade :)
>>77566037
>The burden of proof is on you because I say so.
Seriously though, I would argue that the natural owner of things is the guy big and strong enough to put an ax through your head and take it from you. One could say its the natural order, a state of nature to be brutally murdering each other for small gains.
Now, we've all agreed that we can move beyond that 'natural' state, why not move beyond this new 'natural' state?
Or maybe I am mistaken and france is secretly an awesomely post apocalyptic hellscape where all is owned by the strongest
>>77566209
>Earning a living does not equal work
Are you retarded?
before leaving the thread....i just want to say that it's funny that this far right clusterfuck support russia, syria and novorossiya
>>77566106
>Cuba
>Advanced
I have gone there
The cellphone You have is more advanced than almost all their technology
They recycle and reuse everything cause Its What they have and they take care of it cause once Its gone Its gone forever and they need to improvise
Theres a reason many of them left Cuba
>>77562660
>Le comeme
>>77566301
>/Pol/is One person
When will this meme die already
>>77566301
We support anyone who opposes Jewish globalism.
Over my dead body, and I mean that in the most literal sense of the word. I would rather die than see this country ruined by communism.
>>77565971
>And here comes a link spamming stormtard
That's all you got?
>>77566163
CIA dicking around in South America
Iraq war
Afghan war
Iran-Contra
I could go on for awhile
>>77566206
English must be your third language
>>77566290
work
wərk
noun
Activity involving mental or physical effort done in order to achieve a purpose or result.
Just because earning a living was not his primary motivation for his work as an economist does not disqualify it from being "work." We're arguing over semantics I'm done with this
>>77566465
They are only good at catchy phrases and insults
Please dont insult the mentally challanged
They Still think the Brazil gov did nothing wrong
>>77566260
France is a hellscape because of socialism, you idiot.
The burden of proof is on you because you're the one forming nonsensical arguments in the first place.
Communism allows to move beyond the natural state of things, but in a terrible way that just makes things worse.
>One could say its the natural order, a state of nature to be brutally murdering each other for small gains.
Stop the strawman. In order to form a cohesive civilization, we have to prevent such things from happening. However, inequality doesn't harm civilization, and is not a negative thing in any way.
You also didn't bother to respond to the Bastiat quote.
>>77566485
>CIA dicking around in South America
Operation Condor was a good thing
killing commies is never a bad thing
>Iraq war
>Afghan war
Waste of money I dont agree with bush jr
>Iran-Contra
Contras did nothing wrong, Sandinistas are faggots
>>77566347
better than Mexico lmao
>>77564718
>You have no right to talk about something unless you research it first
~ t. Mao "Backyard peasant steel mills" Zedong
>>77566465
That's all garbage like you deserves
Come up with your own arguments instead of copying from armory and then we'll talk
>>77566579
There is no socialism in France
>>77562821
Thank god that cancer picture got no replies. Gives me some hope in /pol/
>>77566688
Who is John Galt?
>>77566671
>a communist parasite calling anybody garbage
>>77566485
It is
I went to a private shool
They taught me Spanish and german
And in highshool I learned English
Du sprichst drei Sprache?
And If You are going to talk about crimes You commies have a huge list starting on Africa and ending on Venezuela
>>77566700
A character in a shit tier book about idealist liberal nonsense
>>77566485
Who is John Galt?
>>77566671
kek
commie btfo
>>77566700
>>77566612
They wish
>>77562837
I love you too Anon
>>77566485
>CIA dicking around in south america
The CIA is a department developed by the government, capitalism is generally followed by the ideal of small government while communism believes in statism, therefore this is not a case of free market capitalism and instead of crony capitalism and government expansion which usually does not fall under what actual capitalism is based on aka free market.
>Iraq War
>Afghan War
Both were crimes of the state, since they were under the pursuance of a state goal instead of a goal pushed for by the people. In a free market, with a fiscally conservative government overlooking a nation, the government would look towards the interests of the people, and considering human nature and our tendency to lean towards peace, we would be against the idea of pushing a war. Instead crony capitalism and government intervention has pushed politicians to venture into a territory of self interest.
>Iran-Contra
More involvement by the state.
>>77566784
Don't even get me started on the number the cartels have done to your country in the name of money.
>>77566778
>Defending link spamming stormweenies
They're even worse than capitalists
>>77566827
>b-b-bfto
>S-sure showed t-that commie
>>77566805
>>77566832
fugg :DDD
Which one of you darn commies is the real James Taggart?
>>77566890
go back under your bridge buddy
>>77562660
I burn similiar one
>>77566890
Who is John Galt?
>>77566914
Read Capital
>>77566887
All crimes committed in the name of capitalism
>>77566932
Kill yourself, bourgeois scum
>>77566579
I did respond, moron. Your conception of ownership requires a strong legal system and modern infrastructure. It is pointless to argue the natural order of things when you are accepting a highly unnatural system of ownership.
If you want a natural state, lets all go back to murdering each other. If you like sophisticated systems and 'cohesive civilizations' then arguing naturalism is pointless.
>>77566051
The Black Book of Communism..
http://www.jrbooksonline.com/PDF_Books/blackbookcommunism.pdf
http://www.pdfarchive.info/pdf/C/Co/Courtois_Stephane_-_Werth_Nicols_-_Panne_Jean_Louis_-_Paczkowski_Andrzej_-_Bartosek_Karel_-_Margolin_Jean-Jouis_-_The_black_book_of_communism.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNWPYQjXSYA
>>77566982
Listen buddy, I've read your little commie manifesto. It doesn't WORK.
If you put regulations on businesses, they all JUST STOP. They pack their shit up and leave. Communism will result in a dystopia, silly. Golly gee, me oh my, you commies sure are crazy with your lack of economic knowledge.
>>77567049
>Kill yourself, bourgeois scum
You shouldn't repeat what your university professor regurgitates. I might accidentally throw you out of a helicopter
>>77566890
Oh Yeah I remember how the People of Sinaloa were angry cause El Chapo was in Jail and wanted Him FREE cause he did more to the People than the goverment
Or
How the left in the Us during Obama sold guns to my cartels
>>77565976
http://m.pss.sagepub.com/content/14/6/623.short
"The models suggest that in impoverished families, 60% of the variance in IQ is accounted for by the shared environment, and the contribution of genes is close to zero; in affluent families, the result is almost exactly the reverse."
Here's the science. You'll probably dismiss it as being some Jewish conspiracy seeing how "scientific" you are, but there are the facts
>>77567049
All crimes committed in the name of crony capitalism. Not capitalism.
>>77567113
>If you put regulations on businesses, they all JUST STOP. They pack their shit up and leave.
You obviously have never read Capital and have no understanding of Marxism as an economic theory
>>77567061
Who is John Galt?
>>77567122
>How the left in the Us during Obama sold guns to my cartels
>sold
And another crime to added to the capitalists
>>77567212
Same thing
>>77567212
All capitalism is "crony capitalism"
>Capitalism works! That capitalism isn't reaaaal Capitalism! My special perfect form of capitalism has just never been tried!
>>77567220
>You obviously have never read Capital and have no understanding of Marxism as an economic theory
fugg :-----DDDDD epic mene friendo
Try reading Atlas Shrugged buddy, you'll know you can't just slap regulations on businesses - especially to the extent of communism. Regulations means all businesses stop producing. Period.
We need no regulation.
>>77567240
You are right on that One
The Us should had given those guns to the Cartels for free, the us has alot of guns they should practice What they preach and distribute the wealth of guns to everyone, every house deserve an assault rifle
>>77567359
>Memelas Shrugged
>>77567240
>"Crony capitalismis a term describing an economy in which success in business depends on close relationships between business people and government officials. It may be exhibited by favoritism in the distribution of legal permits, government grants, special tax breaks, or other forms of state interventionism."
Two completely different systems.
>"capitalism. aneconomicsystem in which investment in and ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange of wealth is made and maintained chiefly by private individuals or corporations, especially as contrasted to cooperatively or state-owned means of wealth..
>>77567359
Atlas Shrugged is a work of fiction.
>>77567342
the more we approach real capitalism the wealthier we get, though. Unlike communism.
>>77567359
Communism has nothing to do with the regulation of businesses, buddy. Please educate yourself
>>77567342
Give me one example of communism or socialism working.
Ill wait.
>>77567422
>It's totes different
>Hurr Communism never works!
>>77567425
so was the communist manifesto
>>77567113
That is why for socialism to work it needs to spread worldwide. And that was traditionally the communist party's role. To educate foreign non-socialist nations in socialism, to propagate socialist revolutions like the ones they had at home. And in the end businesses have nowhere to leave if there is no capitalist country in the world, they have to change and adapt.
>>77567468
Give me one example of capitalism working
>>77567459
No, the more exploited the workers get.
>>77567468
Cuba and China are doing exceptionally well currently
>>77567410
>>77567425
>>77567460
t. people who can't understand basic economics presented in a fictional story
fugg :DDD
No wonder you all want communism, your IQ is too low to succeed in a capitalist society.
>>77567553
>china
>communist
>>77567510
I do love this argument though. Capitalists fall back to arguing how little money communists would make, and communists tear their hair out because that wasn't the point at all. Like if baseball players all made fun of football players for how few home runs they hit.
>>77567508
This is the issue with leftists, you answer a demand with another demand.
But to indulge you, every first world country, considering the basis for their economies is capitalism.
>inb4 muh n-nordic socialism.
They still produce and sell and are therefore a mixed economy with capitalism as a base.
>>77567507
>forcing your beliefs on other people
classic commie :^)
>>77567508
>>77566688
>Highest income tax in the world
>Highest public expenditure for social security and benefits in the world
Fuck off.
>>77567635
>They still produce and sell and are therefore a mixed economy with capitalism as a base.
>mixed economy
>implying you can have a society with regulations on businesses and they won't just all stop producing
Tone down that edge, memelord
>>77563687
Yet produced a greater body of work than you ever will, thus immortalized.
>>77567585
Austrian economists get laughed out of the room even by neoclassicals. Philosophers ignore Rand lmao
She's so bad that most of liberalism doesn't accept her
>>77566519
>150 million dead from communism
You are so edgy.
>>77567459
define exploitation (2 people voluntarily entering into a contract with one antoher) using moral arguments.
Don't think I didn't notice your not adressing my "wealth" remark. I'm very generous.
>>77567659
What does that have to do with socialism?
>>77567060
Tribalism isn't unnatural. A cohesive society isn't unnatural.
Claiming everyone is equal when it obviously isn't the case is definitely unnatural. And even if it were natural, it's still shit.
>>77567659
That's not socialism, it's a social state or as others call it state of well-being. Socialism has nothing to do with that, it has to do with ownership of means of production. Only workers can own businesses according to socialism which means no one can profit from other people's work.
>>77567722
>A communist calling any body an edgelord
Wew lad.
>>77567772
was meant for >>77567510
>>77567755
>liberalism
fugg :DDD
found the hidden, leftist, gommie scum, git him :-DD
>>77567771
If you want to turn this into a statistics game, lets talk about the 100 million people who die a decade because of Capitalism's exclusion of people from vital resources like food. Then tack on a few more tens of millions because of healthcare. Then we'll start talking about the crimes of capitalist states in subjugating the people under interests of Capital. Don't talk about the crimes of states, you'll lose
>>77567802
>muh feels
>i want to feel special
>i want to feel like ownership means something profound
>baawww
>>77567788
>>77567814
>moving goalposts
socialism
ˈsəʊʃəlJz(ə)m/
noun
a political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.
synonyms: leftism, Fabianism, syndicalism, consumer socialism, utopian socialism, welfarism;
The welfare state is socialism in action
>>77567884
You're not making an argument
Never have never will
>>77562660
Death is a preferable alternative to communism.
>>77567901
The welfare state has literally nothing at all to do with socialism
>>77567878
>interests of capital are worse than the interests of the state
>talking about subjugation
>for communism
Funny.
Typical R selected idiot who needs the state to look after him.
>>77567997
>communitarian economic policies have nothing to do with socialism
Stop it
>>77567772
Exploitation is not a moral argument, it's a mathematical one. Exploitation is the value of your labor that has been appropriated by capitalists
>>77567997
....Okay nice now I know you're baiting. I thought you might have been serious for a minute.
>>77567838
>calling me a commie
free markets ain't free. the free markets gotta be littered with the blood of the less fit. Garl Marx is not my bresident. he is commie and brobably evil too :DDD. work with your backses not raising my taxes okay? praise Ayn Rand.
>>77567991
Hopefully you arrange yours soon
>>77567939
Heh, good picture.
My argument is that basically every argument comes down to feelings, and its really fucking stupid to act all superior because you're above them with your super-rationality.
You *feel* that ownership and private property are important. I *feel* that those values are less important than cooperation and egalitarianism.
>>77562660
ah poor op you will be the first to be purged
>>77567468
DPRK
>>77567878
Ok lets DO IT
>>77562660
Yes, comrade
>>77568088
But they don't. In fact in a socialist country controlled by a communist country, non-workers would be seen as enemies of socialism and sent to forced labour camps where they would function as workers against their will. There is no welfare for people not working. Or if you are referring to welfare for invalids, sick people and so on, their welfare was established in the Roman Empire.
>>77568088
Socialism isn't about wealth redistribution, socialism is about the joint ownership of capital by the workers who use it
Social services like welfare, disability pay, etc are elements of a capitalist welfare state.
>>77568114
Please stop with this pseudoscience bullshit. You're making real scientist look bad.
>>77568178
>there is no natural hierarchy
No wonder when you try to force people to be equal hundreds of millions die, every single time.
>>77568120
You just have no understanding of what socialism is. You must think Bernie Sanders is a socialist too
>>77568251
Hmmm I wonder who made that
>>77568261
kek
actually made me chuckle
>>77568304
Its like We are born not equal and Maybe true equality comes from accepting our differences ; nah lets continue killing
>>77568304
>Hundreds of millions die due to capitalism
People dying is totes ok if capitalism caused it because it's natural
>>77568178
>cooperation and egalitarianism
Wolves don't spoonfeed squirrels.
Competition is rampant in nature, whats the need in suppressing it?
Nobody is equal, some are weak and others a strong, and if you're tired of being weak then work your way up the ladder. But bitching to mother nature for a handout makes you a burden, and the worst thing is you're taking earnings from others when you truly don't deserve them.
And the large percentage of so called proletariat are lazy and don't do as much work as they deserved to be paid for, so why should he who works for his bread earn as much as the man who sits and watches.
Communism breeds weakness.
>>77562660
Marx in a nutshell, people are predictable and will vote according to their economic status, likewise the leaders of the revolution will enact policies that benefit the lower class.
Reality
> muh Stalin
> muh LMao
> muh failed states
Marx couldn't into nuance or realize that once in power people will do whatever the fuck they want and try and stay in power as long as possible. Marx was a naive twat and so are you.
Communism is good at performing sertain transformations in society.
But the modern state needs to be democratic or is guaranteed to fall into turmoil.
See MENA, no democracy means all transitions must happen in a violent manner.
>>77568287
Says the fucking "race realist"
>>77567507
Marxist insurgencies are one of the most detrimental political issues in the third world, so clearly that is a bad policy
>>77568251
This picture is bullshit.
USSR alone lost 15-20mil of civil population + 3 mil solders in battles, so the number "17mil' - is not even close to be accurate
>>77568339
No he's just a Jew, so he's biologically a communist. A lot like women, who also consistently support socialism and government programs, because they are too useless to care for themselves. Like you. Smart people benefit from the free market, no wonder 3rd world immigrants and single mothers love socialism. Whites who are pro socialism are just losers who could never compete in a free market environment, so they wish to bring down those who can.
>>77568506
What?
>>77568459
You haven't read Marx
>>77568114
so if I willingly give my house to my child, that child is exploiting me?
>>77568514
It is only an issue because socialism no longer covers half the globe. That's like saying civil uprisings are one of the most detrimental political issues in 16th century Europe, so clearly that is a bad policy.
>>77568172
I would gladly give my life fighting communist scum like this brave Japanese hero.
>>77568506
>Racialism is the pseudo-scientific notion that it is possible to divide humanity into clear, well-defined groups based on a haphazard variety of traits
How did you come to the conclusion that I am one?
>being on /pol/ makes you a neo-Nazi
See the flaw already?
>>77568549
I owned a copy of the communist manifesto at one time, then I grew the fuck up and realized in practice it's horseshit. Now if you said socialism I would say there are compelling arguemnts lets talk, the second you say communism you are already an idiot.
> inb4 no true scotsman I mean communist nation
>>77568598
What the fuck does that have to do with what I said?
>>77568449
Great, lets go back to murdering each other with axes. Oh whats that? You don't want to get murdered with an ax? Lol, git gud fag.
>>77568385
Research
>>77568641
>I owned a copy of the communist manifesto at one time
So you were an edgy teenager good job. What can you tell me about that Law of Value?
>>77568680
why did moa starve dem chinks?
>>77568655
A person willingly giving his possesion (labour, house, etc) to another person is, according to you, exploitation.
it does sound quite retarded, doesn't it?
you are now initiated, accept Rothbard as your Lord and Saviour.
>>77568521
>it's totally the enemy's fault if we use meat-grinder tactics
>>77568787
Cause they were on Maolnutrition
>>77568761
That marx thinks an Iphone and a sweater from your grandma should cost the same because they took the same amount of time (read human hours or labour however he puts it) to make.
Calm down OP, communism is inevitable, so don't be a faggot. Just relax bro. Chill out.
>>77568666
In a capitalist system i might be able to purchase a relatively cheap good quality axe which has amassed popularity due to its relative good quality in comparison to its low price value, with the money i earned performing some form a labour, and receiving the money i earned for the work i performed. While you have a brittle state issued equal opportunity proletariat axe of inferior quality due to the lack of competition and the states want to waste as little possible money and to make it reasonable to produce with no interest in improving what already exists. Then your axe breaks and i smash your skull in with relative ease.
>m-muh gommunism and garl marx :-DDDDDD
>>77568972
Now be fair, self declared communist states are famous for many things, but losing fights isn't one of them.
>>77568849
You should take your time to analyze what you think is "willing" and "voluntary"
I think op has been converted from his communist ways either that or he has utterly btfo
>>77569075
You rang?
>>77568939
Okay, so you don't understand Marxian economics. Good to know
>>77569075
> Mr. Gorbachev, open this gate. Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!
Yeah sure gommie, go back to hating on the bourgeoisie and reading garl marx.
>>77568521
It was a totally evemy fould to exterminate 15 mil unarmed civil population on the territories they allredy accupied. Go read a book or somethin
>>77569162
>I'M THE ONLY ONE WHO UNDERSTANDS MARX! LOOK AT ME11!!1
>>77569154
Nobody bats a thousand, comrade.
>>77569162
oh my bad in Marxian economics everything works out and the state is always right forgot.
>>77569162
>The real value of all the different component parts of price, it must be observed, is measured by the quantity of labour which they can, each of them, purchase or command. Labour measures the value not only of that part of price which resolves itself into labour, but of that which resolves itself into rent, and of that which resolves itself into profit.
Fucking Marx. Oh wait, this is Adam Smith hahahhahah.
>>77568680
In the case of Mao, his rather blunt approach to "cultural revolution" didn't /just/ improve the economic statistics, but they also reduced income inequality, made improvements in technology and opportunities more accessible to more people, which is why as it stands today China's equivalent of our concept of "Middle Class" encompasses over 800 million people and is continuously growing in terms of volume as well as "Spending power" or individual capacity to enact their own desires. The quality of life for the vast majority of the Chinese has been consistently rising at a higher rate than we see in most Capitalist countries, and as a nation there has been a huge focus in recent years toward focusing on development of new infrastructure and the replacement of old social infrastructure with its modern equivalent, which goes directly to more consistent, cleaner, and more efficient roads, water, electricity, mass transit, and housing.
The results have been by most metrics a net gain for the overwhelming majority of the population and ensured continuity of civilization. The chinese model, while unique, has shown a highly effective and stable model for the integration of marxist-maoist socialist philosophy and the market economy; and in my own opinion we ought to be spending more time studying why they are succeeding so well while we are entering a period of accelerating crises and stagnation in the mostly capitalist west.
>>77569154
>gee, I'm cool when I shoot 500 frozen soldiers who can't even move, I'm a hero, promise!
>>77569109
This argument was destroyed decades ago. Just because you are the ugliest person in the village and no one wants to marry you that doesn't mean you are entitled to blowjobs from other better looking people.
more here, its unctrl c + ctrl v/able.
https://books.google.cz/books?id=hYTxCxeOlSQC&pg=PA84&lpg=PA84&dq=robert+nozick+voluntary+marriage&source=bl&ots=WGSUnpEcsV&sig=KpdHmtmKk4mnjtcQnATrs9Wlg5Y&hl=cs&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiU55680q7NAhUE6xQKHWqNAncQ6AEIGzAA#v=onepage&q=robert%20nozick%20voluntary%20marriage&f=false
Just because I made a widget-making machine in my spare time that doesn't mean I should give it to you just because I give you money to operate it.
>>77566736
>stormfag has hope in a meme and satire board
nothing new
>>77569465
>mao was a good thing
you honestly can't make this shit up, kid thinks China's ghost cities and unsustainable infrastructure investment is:
> The chinese model, while unique, has shown a highly effective and stable model for the integration of marxist-maoist socialist philosophy and the market economy
You are just screaming how little you know about economics, China is already faltering, and the hundreds of millions of desperately poor Chinese are going to be a big problem for the govt, not to mention the effects of the one child policy.
>>77569561
Norzick's definition of voluntary is involuntary lmao
>>77569667
And your knowledge of this comes from?
>>77569465
>cancer villages
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/04/china-villages-cancer-deaths
>censors the most common Internet media
>Diploma inflation (ant people)
>malls that try to kill You
Nigga
>>77569764
http://www.wired.com/2016/02/kai-caemmerer-unborn-cities/
This is all over China do you do any research outside of things that confirm your beliefs? The reason why these are ghost cities is because the average Chinese person cannot afford to live in them. China's infrastructure spending is unsustainable and it's purposefully done to inflate gdp. How were you unaware of this.
(can provide more examples or you can google it)
>>77569547
That didnt happen
The USSR only gives Its soldiers not good equipment But the best One the communist utopía can give
Are You saying this commie soldiers were not well equiped by their communist gov? I tough the gov with all the means developed better equipment.
>>77569939
China has it's problems, but I think the Chinese economy will prove to outlast the American one. The best example of a currently existing socialist economy is Cuba though
>>77569714
o-okay then. you win.
>>77570372
only reason American economy would fail is if we remove all the regulation again like we did that time. tl;dr economically I think we can both agree socialism would be more worth debating and socially communist sympathizers were shot for a reason back in the day.
>>77570571
You're equating socialism with social democracy, which it isn't
Socialism is the transitory period towards Communism in which the bourgeois elements of society are actively repressed by the dictatorship of the proletariat
>>77570776
I don't think you understand how socialism works in the real world, and I specified economically not socially, all you've talked about is social issues that communism talks about. I realize most cases of socialism are socialist democracies but they are not mutually exclusive.
>>77570913
They are mutually exclusive, socialism is the antithesis of capitalism. They cannot coexist.
This is how socialism works in the real world. The dictatorship of the proletariat is carried out by a workers' state. The leadership of the workers' state is chosen by the workers in the most democratic manner possible. The workers' state represses class enemies, including counterrevolutionaries, by any of the means available to a state for repressing enemies, according to the needs of the moment.
An example of what this actually looks like in practice can be found in Cuba.
There are police in Cuba. The police function very differently: Most police are not career police. Many young people serve in the police for a few years. This helps to keep the police more connected to the working class instead of standing above and outside it as they do in the US.
There is a prison system in Cuba, though it is geared much more to rehabilitation than are prisons in the capitalist world.
The press in Cuba is controlled by the working class through the government and the people's organizations. Counterrevolutionary elements have very limited platforms for expressing themselves.
The workers' state is led by delegates, elected by district. The delegates are nominated at public meetings. They are elected by universal sufferage of all Cubans over the age of 16. They are recallable at any time.
Little to no campaigning takes place, so that, unlike the US, there is no way for money to influence the process. Delegates are often known to the voters, who therefore know who they are selecting.
The delegates in turn, as in parliamentary systems, elect the state council including the presidents and vice presidents, and approve the appointment of ministers.
>>77570913
Economically, it's an easy test. Does the working class control the means of production? No? Then it's not socialism
>>77571189
so I hate to tell you this but go and look at the US (partially socialist), Europe (mostly socialist) and stop being naive. The real world contains nuance and people acting out of self interest. In all the world I dare you to find me a "Dictatorship of the Proletariat" point to a country so we can go over how the actual people in charge are not part of the proletariat and are not acting in the proletariat's self interest. It doesn't exist, even in China.
>>77571289
working class controls means of production via democratically elected government would be an example, or through a politburo that claims to represent the working class.
>>77571360
Look to Cuba. None of those countries are socialist. Social democracy is not Marxist and not Socialist
>>77562660
naw, sorry, I'm over 18.
