Let's settle this, what kind of board is /pol/, fascist or libertarian?
www.strawpoll.me/10496408
>>77420833
Not this shit again...
>It's another /pol/ is one person episode
>libertarianism
Nationalism is required for libertarianism, but even then the usury Jew will kill you.
>>77420833
Its
Both and neither, faggot
>>77420833
It's neither. Pol is a common sense board
>>77420833
Paleolibertarian tbqh
>>77420833
/pol/ is anarcho-fascist.
Either, /pol/ is not completely hive-minded.
>>77420833
Neither. /pol/ is a big tent so long as you're not completely stupid
>>77420833
I think most people feel pretty libertarian on domestic policy/trade, but authoritarian on immigration, split of foreign policy
That is to say, I think most people realise libertarianism is a pipe-dream unless you're willing to get rid of people who don't care about freedom or your countries' values
Can we be fiscally libertarian,but socially fascist?
>>77420833
/pol is free speech
>>77420833
It has both but /pol/ as a whole is does not subscribe to one political ideology.
>>77420833
I'm fascist but /pol isn't one person also.
>Nazis
>fascists
Nazis are only good for memes
>>77420833
its gommunist
>>77420905
germany dont be a cuck
>>77420833
On the right wing at various points of extremism.
Daily reminder that Libertarianism is a jewish plot by kike ayn rand etc to destroy the white race.
Is there a name for libertarianism without tons of non-whites and degeneracy?
>>77421160
You can be nationalistic and libertarian.
>>77420833
Militant Moderate.
>>77421641
Daily reminder that the irish were too incompetant to feed themselves, moved and settled into the repsectable life of crime in order to send money back to their "mam and dad"
You can't really label me with one ideology. I really agree and identify with many of Bernie's economic views while having a strong sense of nationalism, secure borders that align with Trump's ideology. So I guess I'm a bit of a nationalist and a socialist.
>>77420833
bump
>>77421740
I agree, that's why libertarianism is a dead end. This thread is about making newfags realize that.
>>77421382
>implying this board is any less of a groupthink safe space than the SJWs they hate
Islamic Gommunist reporting in
>>77420833
Progressive
>>77420833
Fascism is a meme word. I'm more of a racist who wants a sensible government.
>>77421853
Lel its amazing how many bullshit stories people can come up with from one event
also, >unironically defending kikes
>>77421954
I love /pol/
>>77420833
neither fag
https://soundcloud.com/couchtruthing/hitler-was-not-racist
>>77421989
>5. Technocracy
You're welcome
>>77420833
It is sickeningly fascist.
>>77422000
Provide some arguments for an alternate ideology and we'll listen.
>>77422250
>technocracy
>materialistic ideologies
take a greenpill or leave pls
>>77421954
Why are you in favor of more Gibs me dats? Is it a personal need, or are you a fucking retard?
>>77420833
Truthist bitch
https://soundcloud.com/couchtruthing/hitler-was-not-racist
Reminder that Libertarianism is a jew-created tool that play's off the white man's skepticism of federal power but instead contributes to mass globalization and the death of his people.
>>77421989
5. Magocracy.
Get your robes and hat nigga.
>>77420833
you would like to label us, wouldn't you?
>>77422360
is only joke
Slide thread.
Report and DNR
This is the only way we will get the mods to work.
>>77422344
>muh spiritualism
Alright, I'll play. Tell me why do you support traditionalism and reactionary ideologies in general, like natsoc?
But don't try to lie to me, tell me the truth, what REALLY makes you go for the socially repressive ideologies? Why are you so afraid that women fuck more compared to 100 years ago?
>>77422428
this
the only people that benefit from the free market are tech kikes and oil niggers
why do people actually believe we are gonna go back to 1951 the minute we go libertarian it will be closer to 1984
>>77422541
OK man I'm sorry :(
>>77422129
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_(Ireland)
>The famine was a watershed in the history of Ireland.[1] Its effects permanently changed the island's demographic, political, and cultural landscape. For both the native Irish and those in the resulting diaspora, the famine entered folk memory[fn 1] and became a rallying point for various Irish Home Rule and United Ireland movements, as the whole island was then part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.
>irish people are literally so retarded they think not being able to feed themselves means they should be an independant state
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Famine_(1879)
>irish people were literally so retarded they had another famine a generation later
>irish people are literally so incompetant they lost half of their land and sing about how they could take it back if only they'd stop beating their wives and drinking
>irish sport includes the elegant "sport" of hurling where you can smash somebody in the face with wooden clubs because the irish never evolved past caremen
>ireland has 9 universites across the entire country
>ireland is so filled with drunk retards they literally produced 90% of the whisky at one time
>>77420833
OP must be a democrat. Want everyone to be the same. But cant put down the politics of division crack pipe.
>>77420833
Pro-white
>>77420833
SLIDE THREAD
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>>77421029
I love how this meme is so popular, yet never applied to anything else on this board.
>all Jews are part of grand conspiracy
>all blacks are criminals
>all Muslims are part of scheme to take over the world
>all liberals are stupid
What a fucking joke that you "critical thinkers" are so willing to point out that /pol/ consists of many different people with all kinds of backgrounds/beliefs, but when it comes to one of the infinite kike/nigger/mudslime/libcuck hate threads, this point is nowhere to be seen. Fucking incredible
>>77420833
Let's see:
anti totalitarian, anti globalist, anti multiculturalist, anti immigration, patriarchal/anti feminist, fascist aesthetics, racist, isolationist
Anarcho-fascist? Maybe proto-fascist or tribalist?
>there are still lolbergs on /pol/
>>77420833
you gotta be a retarded faggot to believe in a totalitarian ideology
I'm NatSoc but think most libertarians here are fine. Particularly those that are anti-degeneration but just don't think that the issue should be adressed by the State.
>>77420833
/pol/ is against socialism including national socialism.
/pol/ is MGTOW, so it's more libertarian than anything else.
>>77422836
Isn't it the beauty of not being PC with freedom of speech. All those movements do the exact same thing.
Fascist. /pol/ is one person.
>>77422927
>anti globalist
You'd have to buy the anti-free market leftist cuck meme to be against globalization.
>>77422474
Kiwis know.
>>77422360
gibs aren't bad in a high trust society, I'm personally in favor of subsidizing education significantly, when someone isn't trying to better themselves it becomes cancerous.
>>77422609
>why support traditionalism/reactionary
I believe that traditional values are local attractors for stable societies, and that the reason so many distinct societies developed similar values is because when a society deviated significantly from those values, they collapsed or were conquered.
Multicultural societies have lower trust than monocultural ones. Multicultural societies have each subculture competing amongst each other for power, and thus lose efficiency and cohesion.
There are metaphysical reasons as well, but if you disagree with my axioms we won't get anywhere.
>socially repressive
Sorry that believing the family is the basis for the continuation of society is socially repressive.
>>77422993
you gotta be older than 18 to post here.
>>77423406
Eh, isn't leftism globalist by nature? I mean, they call themselves internationalists for a reason with their one world utopia.
A couple of years ago it used to be 50/50, right now fascism has nearly two thirds
>>77423406
Well yeah, the free market is the tool of the globalist capitalist kikes
>>77422826
No it isn't, or at the very least it's a very good sliide thread.
Y O U R E N E M Y H A S R E V E A L E D T H E M S E L V E S
>>77422733
As a part of the British empire the famine was actually a failure on the part of colonialism. There was plenty of food on the island that was shipped off to england, and the type of help the english saw fit to provide was to sell aid at ridiculous prices such that the Irish could not afford it. Then the audacity was had to suggest that they couldnt afford it because the Irish were lazy and did not want to work, though the reality is that the english created an economic system there that completely marginalized the catholic native irish, thereby reducing them to living in appalling conditions. The english then used this image as an affirmation to the 'savage' nature of the irish. In short the english absolutely ravaged the people and the culture to the extent of almost wiping out the entire language (and by extension irreclaimable vast reserves of oral poetry and folklore). Personally I don't have anything against modern brits, it's not their fault their ancestors were something slightly short of vile. But it always amazes me how the extent of which ye will go to ignore the hard fact of what may be construed as cultural genocide.
My grapes are not sour, they are fresh and plump if you must know.
>>77423569
and you have to be white to be a Nazi
your point?
Libertarian. That's why we can voice politically incorrectly here. Hence the name of the board.
>>77423532
great image man, got any more>>77423532
?
>>77420833
I consider myself a supporter of authoritative libertarianism
>>77423571
No. Liberalization of the global market is the main force of globalization. Leftists want to stop this because the free market leads to exploitation of the third world. It's libertarians that have kept the globalization train running in spite of all the wto-protesting hippies.
>I mean, they call themselves internationalists for a reason
I've never heard this
>>77423730
And the libertarians, ya know, the people that make up half of this board.
I'm neither fascist not libertarian, both are shit tier modernist philosophies devised by horrible academics with no faith and no life experience.
I'm a Christian traditionalist in the burkean sense.
No one is smarter than everyone and no one is smarter than God.
>>77422836
>Implying all those threads don't have arguments within them
>Implying some of those threads aren't just filled to the brim with memes and shitposts
>Implying /pol/ is one person
Anon please. Go look at a political compass thread to see the variety of /pol/
Sure a majority are right leaning, but there is definitely a leftist presence, and a divide between Libertarianism and Authoritarianism.
Also, Nationalist Libertarianism is the only correct solution :^)
National Populism
>>77424454
>authoritative libertarianism
>>77424465
>Christian traditionalist
This is an oxymoron.
>>77424720
Almost as good as anarcho-monarchism
>>77420833
SHILL THREAD
PLEASE TYPE SAGE IN OPTION
>>77423406
Globalization is a scam. GDP is a meme.
Jingoists :P
>>77423532
Sure, that's true.
But the problem in your proposition of wasting resources on repressing the social evolution because it's easier to maintain a predictable society that obeys simple morals, is that it wastes resources on stability we don't actually need.
Quite literally, the countries you would classify as "unstable", such as the "decadent" US or EU, happen to be the most stable states in the world, far more stable than their opposites (Islamic Ultra-Conservative States, Russia's moderate conservatism, and even China's radical conservatism). And even if that stability is already available to them, you desire to dedicate yet more of their resources for more of it. Why?
Why not go with my proposition instead - a technologically-focused government which dedicates most of its resources for technological progress, which is extremely important in this century of all, and simply leave the natural social evolution take care of the social part of society, and evolve on its own instead of trying to control it inefficiently, and waste resources doing so?
The truth is that you don't desire a stable family structure to ensure somehow that the state is stable, you want it so the social side of your tribe is predictable, so you can more easily fit in it. It's currently very unpredictable to you and the bar for entry is way too high, with you having to actually put some effort into practicing socializing, so you desire to lower the bar by reverting the recent step in evolution of social life, the one everyone on /pol/ loves to classify as "degeneracy", by enforcing a certain law(s), to make it more accessible and not challenging.
Because it's way easier to recite a memorized poem to a girl and gift her some flowers to ensure access to her sexual side than having to develop a high social status, hobbies, humor, financial security, etc.
>>77423571
Leftists are for "alter-globalization"
Basically it's the same as globalization except you give poor people all your shit and invite them to destroy your country out of idiocy rather than greed.
>>77424457
Leftists are the moral strongarm of globalism. Someone needs cheap labor, you bet your ass you find some spastic open borders fanatics with "refugees welcome" signs or similiar drivel. They welcome the whole world and have no loyalty, just like the stereotypical capitalist, so they're a good team in getting the globalist train rolling, even if they're superficially against exploitation.
>I've never heard this
The left wing anthem is even called "The Internationale"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Internationale
>>77421160
There is nothing wrong with usury you fucking retard. Put down Mein Kampf and The Jews and their Lies for a while and attempt to understand how borrowing/lending works.
>>77420833
>>77420833
some kikes think its both
>>77425346
Just look up zombie debt in USA or college debt. Or Hospital debt. Financial fees. Usury unchecked is a problem.
>>77425346
>There is nothing wrong with usury
t. Eternal Anglo
>>77421364
>anarcho-fascism
when is summer over
>>77424484
>>Implying all those threads don't have arguments within them
Nothing to do with what I'm saying as I'm talking about a specific type of argument that ought to in those threads but isn't.
>>Implying /pol/ is one person
Didn't imply this, i.e. straw man
Also, nothing to do with my argument
>Sure a majority are right leaning, but there is definitely a leftist presence
Nothing to do with my argument
>a divide between Libertarianism and Authoritarianism
Nothing to do with my argument
Do you know how to read? I said there are a lot of people on /pol/ who are willing to point out that /pol/ is not one person, but those same people don't go to nigger hate and same the same thing there.
>>77420833
neither, it's a free speech board
>>77425346
>There is nothing wrong with usury
Are you stupid or what?
>>77424992
I love Marx and his critiques of capitalism, but this quote is one of the things he was wrong about
>>77426043
ignore what i just said. it's a libertarian board. libertarianism is what gives you the right to support fascism.
>>77421437
Being Fiscally libertarian and socially fascist? That's called a republican.
>>77425772
>zombie debt
pic related
>>77425798
I'm actually an Ashkenazi Jew, but I realise that doesn't exactly help my case.
>>77425798
>>77420833
National Libertarian
>>77426468
>National Libertarian
That's not an oxymoron, Sounds like you are describing Pinochet. Hanging Communists and lefties from helicopters does not violate the nonaggression principal. It's just self defense.
>>77426113
How about you contemplate the reasons why one may wish to borrow, and why, and this is most important, one may wish to lend?
Regardless, the man could use his wife's count as collateral for all I care, so long as the contract was voluntarily agreed to by all parties.
>>77422000
The fact that there is conflict in this discussion is proof that it's not.
>>77425316
>US
>EU
>stable
Come back to me in 30 years, thanks.
>why not go with my proposition instead
because if we don't reach your technological utopia fast enough western civilization is done for.
>so you can more easily fit in
If you don't understand why women who have fucked hundreds of men are undesirable, then there's no use talking to you. I don't want a roastie whore, no one who understands neuroscience should, and that's why I oppose sexual degeneracy.
The rest of your argument is projection.
>>77425346
>a one-way funneling of money to the elite
>not cancerous
Why can't a governments print money and lend it rather than banks?
I'm confused are dune coons facists or radical traditionalists?
>>77426391
You can say it's nothing but It is the same type of debt buying the lead to the collapse of the banks in 2008. And thanks to the Dodd-Frank bill that was put in place to stop it from happening again. It has only made it way way worse. With another collapse on the horizon.
>>77426871
It depends on the dune coon.
>>77425646
Littering violates the nonaggression principal. So.. you're argument is invalid.
>>77425345
>you bet your ass you find some spastic open borders fanatics with "refugees welcome" signs or similiar drivel
Refugees aren't a factor in the grand scheme of globalization. Thousands of Syrians and Mexicans working for shit wages are nothing compared to the wto, world bank, imf, ttip, tpp and any of the other countless free trade agreements. The multinationals control everything and globalization is in their favor.
You seriously think those morons posting Instagram photos with refugees are doing anything of importance. They have no real effect on the world.
>>77426691
It is an oxymoron. Libertarianism is about maximising the liberty of individuals; the most commonly held philosophy among libertarians by which liberty is to be achieved is the non-aggression principle.
Free markets =/= libertarianism
Social liberalism =/= libertarianism
>>77425978
Because the nigger hate threads aren't debating the make up of /pol/, they're debating whether niggers are sub-humans or not. So the argument in those threads are about that. The argument in this thread is about the make up of /pol/ and how it should be all or nothing
>Let's settle this, what kind of board is /pol/, fascist or libertarian?
OP is trying to categorize /pol/ as one thing and attempting to say "It's a Nazi Hitler-loving board!" or "It's a MUH FREEDOMZ board!"
Your argument, atleast from what I can see, correct me if I'm wrong, is that I should go into Muslim Hate threads and say "YEAH BUT /POL/ ISNT ONE PERSON" and ignore the question there entirely just to say that /pol/ has different opinions rather than let the arguments within those threads prove the point that /pol/ has different opinions.
>>77426964
Black pajama kind
>>77422942
That was a jewish plant
he even admitted he was paid
>>77427158
>Thousands of Syrians and Mexicans
What about 30 million Mexicans and 50 million "Syrians?"
>>77420833
a national-capitalist fascist one
Nazis still winning even in a lolbertarian ambush thread.
>>77427317
Radical traditionalists
>>77425973
USA has anarcho-capitalism. How do you think the biggest economic bullies rose?
>>77427197
>It is an oxymoron. Libertarianism is about maximising the liberty of individuals; the most commonly held philosophy among libertarians by which liberty is to be achieved is the non-aggression principle.
Free markets =/= libertarianism
Social liberalism =/= libertarianism
You say this as if you are suggesting nationalism is inherently social/left wing. It's not, rounding up all the degenerates who support big government and throwing them in gas chambers doesn't violate the nonaggression principal.
By advocating state violence, leftists are threatening us, therefore, we have the right to defend ourselves by burying them with bulldozers.
>>77420833
It's just nationalist.
>>77427461
I love Pinochet. We need another Pinochet.
Traditionally, we respect eachother and team up to destroy SJW's and neo-liberals.
>>77427158
I think the "refugees" and their supporters are a symptom, not a cause.
Some people had a design in their head that benefited them economically and politically, they destroyed entire nations and sent ripples through the world to achieve that.
>>77427158
Listen, if it weren't for globalism your country would still have a european majority in the near future, so in the grand scheme of things the autochthonous population loses their influence, don't say it's not a big deal. The reason Trump gains momentum and nationalism is rising is because of the reaction to this process. It's more than free trade and multinational corps.
>>77427693
>rounding up all the degenerates who support big government and throwing them in gas chambers doesn't violate the nonaggression principal.
Chris Cantwell, please fuck off.
This image, although a parody, somewhat-accurately reflects the NAP.
>>77427436
Yeah, what's the big deal? There's nothing global about neighboring nations crossing borders. Globalization's a fairly recent phenomenon, yet people have been crossing their neighbor's borders since their inception.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that that isn't globalization and has little to do with the globalist ideology.
>>77427609
>USA has anarcho-capitalism
>anarcho-capitalism being anarchist
>USA being a government
Are you being ironic
>>77427197
Not all libertarians follow the non-aggression principle. It's just the autistic anarcho-capitalists.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consequentialist_libertarianism
>>77427693
>muh advocating state violence
>leftists are threatening us
You do realize there are anti-authoritarian leftist including the authoritarian right?
>>77420833
HOLY SHIT LIBERTARDIANS ON SUICIDE WATCH
>be libertarian on /pol/
>see this poll for the true and final test of my beloved board
>so angry, storm my gun closet to commit suicide
>can't shoot my brains out because Obama took all my guns
>>77426824
>Come back to me in 30 years, thanks.
As opposed to Russia's current collapse, or maybe China's unavoidable collapse to democracy and capitalism in 20 years? Or Saudi Arabia's full implosion once oil becomes useless, or maybe the whole ME's currently ongoing collapse in general?
Point me to the socially conservative state, not only in modern days but in all of humanity's history, that was "stable" because of it. And before doing so, explain me the reason why it collapsed into the complete opposite a decade or two later.
>because if we don't reach your technological utopia fast enough western civilization is done for.
Done for? Shitskins will outbreed whites or everyone will turn into a faggot? If that's what you're trying to imply, it won't happen, as the day it reaches critical levels it will simply annoy too many people and they themselves will excommunicate those elements from society, without the need of any laws. A lot like the whole Weimar Republic shitstorm and National Socialism as a result of it. You're trying to imply that there is no way that this trend will ever stop and that it will always continue in such predictability. The problem is that you're ignoring the fact that the inertia the left has gained in recent years will slowly die out the more objectives they achieve, and the right will in turn develop the same counter-reform inertia they had, since the left will be "exhausted" having their objectives satisfied, and the right will be very unsatisfied and willing to fight.
Imagine it as a pendulum - the harder you swing it to the left, the harder it will swing back to the right. The correct approach is to neither swing it to the left, nor the right, and keep it just in the middle - stable.
>The rest of your argument is projection.
Sure thing Iad, because I haven't walked through your road years ago.
>>77420833
reply
>>77428009
One can use force to protect themselves. Commie fags threaten us by claiming they are going to seize our property, thus we have the right to defend ourselves. That is not in conflict with the NAP.
>>77420833
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Third_Wave_(experiment)
and imagine if nobody told anyone what to do.
fascism is better.
>>77427967
I think those entities do not see culture, blood, community, borders. I think it's in their interests to destroy these things, enthroning themselves over mankind, or so they believe. The destabilization of ME-NA by these people, and the subsequent funding of anti-nationalist, anti-racist, globalist activists, professors, economists and so forth is done by people at the very top of these corporate and monetary pyramids.
To simplify, it's not so much that they want to make refugees, it's that they don't want you to have borders or self-identity. They want seven continents, each a little America, and borders, race, culture, sovereignty all stand in the way of their goals.
>>77428021
>never hearing the term crony capitalism
>not realizing I said anarcho-capitalism and not market anarchism
>not killing yourself yet
You should read more.
>>77428207
The leftists are threatening us by threatening to take our property, thus using the state to defend ourselves from them does not violate the NAP. And don't come to me with that "socialist libertarian" "anarcho-communist" shit.
Lolbertarians need to realize that unless you have a white (and really just Nordic and Anglo) civilization you will never have your utopian Libertarian society. You cannot convince a 82 IQ Mexican to vote for a larpy political ideal over his urge for gibs. The only people who care about small governments are whites, and even in whites it is the high IQ autists amongst us at that.
I'm not voting for facism if I'm also voting for Nazism.
>>77428470
Exactly, we need to round up all the non libertarian violent thugs and throw them in gas chambers for threatening our property. This doesn't violate libertarian principals in any way.
>>77428191
I'm more than aware of the variants of libertarianism. David Friedman, for instance, is a consequentialist ancap. I also disagree with his reasoning; the arguments for deontology are stronger.
>>77428470
People who believe in IQ are braindead useful idiots.
>>77427940
See: >>77428020
>>77427967
>The reason Trump gains momentum and nationalism is rising is because of the reaction to this process
>It's more than free trade and multinational corps
The food we eat, the clothes we wear, the media we consume, the culture we live in and the security of our futures is all dependent on multinationals. They decide that shit based on their bottom lines and globalization is in their favor so they'll continue to mold the stuff we're consuming with and around a globalist persuasion. The recent spike in nationalism has had little effect on any of these real world things.
>>77422250
>>> implying
stage 5 = techno-dynamic cooperativism
this is the omega pill, too much for simple minded fools like yourselvv
So /pol/ is 57% white and 43% not white-
We're even less white than u.s.a.........?
>>77428260
>If that's what you're trying to imply, it won't happen, as the day it reaches critical levels it will simply annoy too many people and they themselves will excommunicate those elements from society, without the need of any laws
What percentage do you think that will be critical levels will be? We're at 62% right now.
>>77428470
Same thing for (working) socialism, desu. Same thing for democracy (I mean Switzerland, not this sham). I don't know why there's these pockets of golden peoples like Japan but as a rule, non-Europeans can't really make civilization anything other than a messy bloodbath, having no other claim to fame than who committed more atrocities upon the other in their last war.
>>77428718
>checks flag
How convenient for you
>>77428718
>85 IQ Peruvian subhuman
>>77428455
You are an excellent pawn and you are thinking very one dimensionally. You do realize the same basic label politics you criticize the "main stream" for using you are arguing the exact same way. I'm voting trump but not for the same reason you are. Learn that there are different colors and flavors to frozen treats.
You will not and never will created a perfect system if leftist we gone. Don't be a pawn my fellow american and let's make it last.
>>77428260
>implying any of those countries are the model society I'm talking about
keep attacking strawmen, the Nazis were the last attempt, but were destroyed militarily. Rome is another good example that collapsed due to multicultural overreach.
>shitskins will outbreed whites
It's currently happening
>it will simply annoy too many people and they themselves will excommunicate those elements from society
We'll see, I don't know if we'll decide to do something about it or not.
>keep it in the middle
So because leftists have pushed the pendulum, we should do nothing? Or just push it a little? Is my middle the same as yours? You're quite incoherent in what your solution to this is.
>>77428721
I agree with you that globalism is instituted by multinationals. Let's not ignore, though that what's good for a multinational corporation beholden to no nation is not necessarily good for a nation of average people. Because it may behoove corporations to lobby for a war, so they can come in afterwards like flies to a corpse and get cheap oil deals from the corrupt satrapy government, doesn't factor in the ten million refugees that pour into the country the corporation is based in, or how they degrade the culture, destroy the communal bonds of the country, increase competition for jobs, thus lowering wages and so forth.
It sounds like you're saying these corporations hold the world in their hands and we as consumers have to just put up with it.
Tfw the silver legion of America will spawn from pol in your lifetime... Feels good man
>>77428882
>>77428965
Keep believing non scientific garbage I guess.
>tips psychology
>>77429337
>>77429394
Missing the best point >>77429274
>>77427328
seriously, link please?
>>77428815
If you're talking about US non-white percentage relative to whites, think of it this way - a global government is unavoidable. If it doesn't happen this century, it will very certainly happen the next one, as a space age can't be initiated with 200+ independent countries, each draining their respective resources in their independent way. It will either unify in a single super-state, or a polarized version of it with one side of the world being a complete opposite to the other.
Now, once that happens, those niggers and spics will have access to your country ANYWAY, and not only that, they will, in fact, BE A PART OF YOUR COUNTRY. Yes, we're talking about hundreds of millions of them.
The even bigger problem - if you remain one of the "pure" independent states, as opposed to the neighboring one that unifies state after state into the largest empire humanity has ever seen, you will never develop the same capacity to colonize space or innovate technology, and you will either be directly conquered in a decade or two, or simply fall back technologically (and especially economically) to such an extent that simply unifying and enduring the multiculturalism would've been a far better alternative for your population.
This is our future and it's literally unavoidable. The only solution is a mass purge of non-whites to ensure that when this happens, our race will remain "pure", but that's both extremely retarded and inefficient.
>>77420833
>Nazis are winning
Good.
>>77428718
>>77428817
Get off the internet, Peru. Grown folks are talking.
>>77429606
Well, don't just inject yourself into a conversation between me and this guy. Of course we're voting for Trump, the same reason all the ex-Berners are voting for Clinton.
What are you even getting at, other than you're voting Trump?
>>77428718
Average IQ of Peru; 85
We're liberal nationalists. I think most of us support lassiez-faire economic and social policies while simultaneously taking pride in our countries and cultures.
It's honestly the best ideology to be.
>>77429692
You mean like how Europe had to come together into a single state before colonizing the world?
Competition is good. A global government doesn't need to happen and probably won't.
>>77429274
When I say leftist I am referring to anyone who is opposed to strict enforcement of private property rights and the nonaggression principal.
>>77429879
>not reading the replied replies
>>77428454
Crony capitalism is caused by big government.
You said anarcho-capitalism. Anarcho-capitalism is a society with no government that uses capitalism for society's needs. I'm not an anarcho-capitalist anyways.
>>77429853
You must be new here
>>77429906
"If we kill our enemies, they win" thanks high IQ
ONE POST BY THIS ID
SAGE
>>77429982
You live in a socialistic country. How's that working out for you?
>>77422836
Board culture you accidental meat spill on penis, everything was like this pre-trump then everyone flocked to /pol/ during the election for big Don
>>77428454
I know you think your trolling really well but you actually arn't.
>>77429906
A FUCKING LEAF
>>77430052
Replacing Brazilians with anything is still an improvement.
>>77429787
Natural property boarders are legitimate because they were created through homesteading. God you people need to learn to make better memes that actually criticize libertarian thought because every single one of them thus far has shown a complete lack of understanding of libertarianism. You haven't pointed out any hypocrisy in libertarian thought, all you've done is show us you don't understand how property and contracts work.
Both. National Libertarianism.
>>77420833
>implying /pol/ isn't the most confusing and contradictory mixture of both
>>77428591
>I also disagree with his reasoning; the arguments for deontology are stronger.
They are strong, but I don't think they're pragmatic enough. I like Milton Friedman's views on the legitimate functions of government.
>>77429935
Practice shows a direct democracy of high-IQ whites and military strength while remaining neutral is best for a country.
I agree the economy shouldn't be controlled very tightly but there should be more regulations on what a private business can TO a people and TO country, moreso than what alot of people from our country are willing to advocate for, be they liberatarians, liberals or """conservatives""".
I think Switzerland is the closest to an ideal between nationalists/socialists and libertarians.
>>77421437
'Sup based Pinochet, how many commies are you gonna helicopter today?
>>77429337
>he Nazis were the last attempt
Are you implying that Nazi Germany, ruling whole of Europe, wouldn't have collapsed by now? That they could've repressed and maintained such a control over so many people, especially with the amount of free speech existing on the net? Even China's Great Firewall of censorship wouldn't have helped them maintain control over all those different cultures.
Rome collapsed due to military overextension and inability to maintain that many fronts and occupied territories at the same time, not multiculturalism.
>So because leftists have pushed the pendulum, we should do nothing? Or just push it a little? Is my middle the same as yours? You're quite incoherent in what your solution to this is.
No, my solution has been quite coherent through my posts. Just leave it be, if it's too radically pushed to the left, as I said, it will push itself back to the right all by itself. Whatever massive circlejerk for social justice is currently going on can be reverted in a single day and all of society can do a 180 in a few years, should it reach critical levels.
>>77429606
>>77429274
Not sure what you're implying here at all.
>you will never create a perfect system if leftists were gone
I don't believe in any utopia, I don't know why you're implying that I do.
>>77430067
Peru Nobel prizes in physics, 0. In chemistry, 0. In medicine, 0. Fields medals, 0.
>>77420833
Paleoconservatism is the only answer
>>77420833
Right-Libertarian. Statist shills need to go back to red-dit.
>>77429394
>what's good for a multinational corporation beholden to no nation is not necessarily good for a nation of average people
No disagreement here
>It sounds like you're saying these corporations hold the world in their hands and we as consumers have to just put up with it.
If we had a free market and the market worked how it's supposed to consumers would dictate their collective will. A boycott or taking one's business elsewhere would be effective immediately. However, between today's governmental protection of multinationals and the stupidity of the average consumer, control is out of the hands of the consumers.
I know the term postmodernism isn't allowed on this board because muh Jews, but the postmodern theories related to consumerism in a globalized world are pretty convincing.
>>77429906
You are being generous, 60 would be more accurate
>>77430481
Obama has a nobel prize
>>77430495
I think for our country, this is the right answer. It's the best we can do to bring both basic dignity and the freedom to prosper, to the greatest amount of people in our society. I think we both understand Paleo-cons to be the same thing.
>>77430087
Actual ad hominem
>>77430087
not good, but that doesn't mean ancaps are right, they're are just another arm of cultural marxism without knowing it
This is a divide and conquer thread
I beg of you guys, stop replying
Stop trying to shove us into one ideology you redditor
>>77430162
why do you think the federal goverment wants to send haitians immigrants down here in south, and only the south??
>>77430808
If you read through, we're not actually tearing eachother up. I think libertarian/NS threads on /pol/ are among the most civil on the board. The only harsh bantz is directed at a couple of South American countries, at the moment.
>>77430330
I don't know whether they would have collapsed and neither do you.
If they have to fear free speech then perhaps their ideology is flawed. I am in favor of free speech
Do I think they were overextending themselves? Yeah, probably. It's difficult to define where one culture ends and another begins though.
>Rome collapsed due to military overextension and inability to maintain that many fronts and occupied territories at the same time, not multiculturalism.
Overextension and multiculturalism are two sides of the same coin.
>it will push itself back
Tell me how that happens if free speech is banned and weapons are taken away. I don't believe it's destined to happen, which is why I choose to take action to make it happen. I don't share your faith that it will magically change, I think something like a Roman-stlye collapse is more likely.
>>77430002
>implying all leftist
Dude, our whole replied exchange was about anarcho-capitalism. (economic implementation, not social policy)
This is who I hate label politics and the one thing I hate about Trump (not a reason affecting my vote).
Conflating a leftist on economics but a right winger on social policy as and left or right is madness and divisive.
"They" want to divide on social agendas while the people hear ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NOTHING about economic moves and policy that actually effect Americans (except tax policy (chopped into a social argument)).
When I say our economic center is one of tightfisted cronyism risen from anarcho-capatalistic beginnings, I literally mean just that. Read up on current history.
>>77428721
Is this something new? Merchants travelling around, trading and investing is in principle not what I would call the essence of globalism, it's the dissolution of borders and identity, the centralization of power, which carries the risk of global catastrophes, because if the smallest things break, we possibly all have to eat shit. People would want to decentralize, stability and security in exchange for efficiency and potential catastrophes. Nations vs One World.
>>77430731
Not really. If there are no social programs and no charities then all the IQ 84 Peruvians would either not immigrate or self deport as they would have no ability to be productive in a pure ancap society. I will say that libertarians of the Gary Johnson type are absolutely an arm of Cultural Marxists.
>>77423263
Back to plebbit neckbeard
>>77430731
AnCaps aren't right, but they're very close to it. Unfortunately, limited government is necessary because people aren't angels.
>>77430731
Mises is right about borders. They should not exist. But as long as we have a welfare state, we cannot have open borders. In a completely free market society the vast majority of non whites would starve to death because their flow of money from welfare would be cutoff. We don't need walls, we need to stop feeding starving degenerates and instead let them die. Eugenics is the future.
>>77430565
>If we had a free market and the market worked how it's supposed to consumers would dictate their collective will. A boycott or taking one's business elsewhere would be effective immediately. However, between today's governmental protection of multinationals and the stupidity of the average consumer, control is out of the hands of the consumers.
I agree with this, sad as it is.
>...the postmodern theories related to consumerism in a globalized world are pretty convincing.
Go into detail, if you would.
>>77431123
>>77423263
"Whites should be MGTOW" (((who could this be?)))
>>77431123
>When I say our economic center is one of tightfisted cronyism risen from anarcho-capatalistic beginnings, I literally mean just that. Read up on current history.
Bruh, you think there is anything anarcho-capitalist about the current system we have? You are beyond gone. The cronyism and corporatism we have now could not exist without the state.
>>77431320
Whites are naturally charitable unlike every other race. If we had an ancap ethnostate than charity would take care of those who actually needed it. Christian whites are the most charitable people on the planet
nationalistic liberalistarianistic monarchy when
freedom is so opposed these days it will only emerge with freedom being enforced and the people homogeneously believing in the government's ability to protect it
>>77420833
Facts of /pol/:
/pol/ is roughly 85% right wing
/pol/ is roughly 10% authoritarian left
/pol/ is roughly 60% authoritarian
/pol/ is roughly 40% libertarian (retarded)
There is a group of rich people funding wars to further grow their wealth.
Zionism is cancerous for America and we shouldn't support it.
/pol/ is about 60/40 christian/nonreligious
>>77420833
>all of the stormweenies on /pol/
disgusting
>>77420833
>/pol/ is one person
I always find the polarizing ideologies interesting on /pol/
Like I aint even mad at either, theyre both pretty interesting to dig into
>>77431682
I'm picturing Pinochet, but with a crown.
>>77431320
that's exactly what our soon to be real monarch thinks, a small state, fast, swift, not medling in what families, comunities, cities and so on can't do.
>>77431747
The only problem with National Socialism is the socialism.
>>77431548
No shit. Did you fucking read.
>risen from anarcho-capatalistic beginnings
>I literally mean just that
>>77420833
What would an ethnonationalist libertarian society be called? Because that's the only way it works
>>77431869
k
>>77431986
Heaven
>>77431869
I don't think that's a problem in a society like (homogenous) Germany, Switzerland, Austria, the Scandinavians but ours? God, no. Franks and Anglos don't really have it in them to sustain a socialistic society, Anglos in particular. I think
Our societies seem extremely effective against others but huge, bloated, dirty, behemoths. Any attempts at the harmony and order of socialism just end up becoming a massive, corrupt bureaucracy that harms the workers and common people it was instituted to protect.
>>77431986
Is it called National Libertarianism?
>>77431913
>Did you fucking read.
Yes, are you trying to suggest that the founding of the united states were our "anarcho-capitalistic beginnings"?? That's even more absurd then what I thought you meant.
>>77431986
Does a libertarian society have borders, beyond individual property rights, such as enforced borders and immigration customs etc.? They never seem to make up their minds on this...
>>77428470
What about Asians and le ebin Jews? They have higher IQs than whites.....
HEIL HITLER
>>77431103
>I don't know whether they would have collapsed and neither do you.
Their ideology feeds on maintaining morals and the whole family spirit and anti-degeneracy, so they would take extreme measures against the decadent western Hollywood and ban their "propaganda" as they did with a lot of movies and books. They wouldn't stop there, of course, and move on to disconnect the net to the west. That would've been followed by isolation and embargo, and if that wasn't enough, the US would've attempted to destabilize several regions by then (mostly Asia) to ensure that there is someone to buy their manufacturing, which would've resulted in a sandwitched isolated Germany, the exact strategy they used against the Soviet Union. Even more, a lone communist China would've turned Democratic long ago, that's what the modern China is, except a personal fuckbuddy to the USA. Imagine such a huge market being open to America.
And not silencing their propaganda would've caused their collapse anyway, as a lot of the people would envy the democratic world upon seeing their lifestyles (as in the case of the Soviets). Can you imagine a modern NatSoc Germany having access to 4chan? Every single American would've laughed at their lack of freedoms (and most likely money due to embargoes)
>Tell me how that happens if free speech is banned and weapons are taken away.
Free speech being banned to that extent in the US is basically impossible as that would cause an insane capital flight to Europe and China, which will be followed by mass unemployment, rapid drop in wages, starvation and a civil war. That will never happen, you guys are way too dependent on that, so don't worry. It hasn't happened in your history either.
>>77432258
There are different brands of Libertarianism. The logical, autistic conclusion is AnCap in which there would be no borders as there is no governing body what so ever.
>>77420833
Do I have to pick one? I'm a "fuck it all" kinda guy.
>>77432287
Letting Jews in ever...
>>77431157
The current progression of "the dissolution of borders and identity" is a result of "merchants travelling around, trading and investing" on a global scale. It's new in that since the '50s we've started on an accelerated track of reaching One World.
>the centralization of power, which carries the risk of global catastrophes, because if the smallest things break, we possibly all have to eat shit
In terms of economic, food/oil crises this is true. The whole world is fucked if we hit peak oil or have another economic disaster.
However, in terms of warfare, our current global relations are a godsend. The Earth would be in the midst of a nuclear winter if it weren't for our relatively affable global relations. I would say that things aren't as cut and dry as, "People would want to decentralize, stability and security in exchange for efficiency and potential catastrophes" as a globalized world isn't necessarily unstable. Also it's a pipedream to think that with today's technology we can have a world of entirely sovereign nations.
It's funny because I know how much a lot of you guys hate hippies and their farm to table movements, but I think that's a step in the right direction for taking back security.
>>77431783
>Pinochet
looked him up. if it weren't for him persecuting his enemies (he should've used the propaganda machine and good speeches instead t b h) it seems he'd be pretty based.
>>77422836
K so there are a lot of people on here who don't blame jews/blacks/Muslims for all the world's problems. Also not all liberal ideas are shit, just the sjw ones
>>77432521
There can be arbitrary borders set up by communities who get together and socially enforce barriers through freedom of association. For example, a white community may get together and agree not to serve niggers in their stores, and as a result the niggers would have to go elsewhere.
>>77431869
Can't deny that
>>77432258
Contemporary libertarianism is usually open borders egalitarianism, they're completely delusional. I actually think libertarian principles would work fantastically within a closed racially homogenous nation.
>>77432573
>implying jews aren't superior to whites in a similar way to how whites are superior to blacks
>being this bluepilled
Really anon?
>>77432681
>(he should've used the propaganda machine and good speeches instead t b h)
Are you saying you are against free helicopter rides?
>>77423382
underrated post
>>77420833
libertarian constrained by fascist laws
There would be very few laws, but they would be fundamental to the society like axioms that cannot be violated. So those laws would be enforced with fascist vigor, but anything else is up to the people to decide how to handle.
>>77432767
True, but is private property really a "border", is the property line around my house a border? In an AnCap society borders would be in a constant state of flux
>>77432521
It's not really a logical conclusion, just a delusional conclusion. Libertarianism shouldn't have to apply globally
>>77432353
You seem very certain that they would ban such things. If it was up to me I would allow them to show how bad an alternate system is while also producing your own material.
Beyond that, it's unknown what would happen throughout the world, so saying things like Germany would be isolated isn't necessarily true, Japan in Asia comes to mind, and if Germany was successful who knows who would emulate them?
>lack of freedom
Can you give some examples, or are you saying they wouldn't have as many whores running around? Again, this is a strange alternate timeline, who knows if all of the women's revolution stuff would apply given an actual challenge to such a system.
I know the US won't lose free speech or weapons, but Europe is having that happen.
>>77432521
It is not logical within it's domain though. It is only logical when exiting reality. I see this problem a lot in beginner mistakes with engineering and physics where a person thinks they can apply the laws of the universe with some kind of short cut to circumvent an unfortunate reality. They then ask why their short circuit isn't working.
>>77432899
Look up paleolibertarianism, I think it might suit you. It basically advocates for free market while simultaneously being social conservatives.
>>77432979
Why would AnCap have to be global? I am not following your point
>>77432806
Yeah, but so would (national) socialism or direct democracy. It seems hard to wrong, being homogenous and 105+ IQ, as a society.
>>77420833
>Fascist
Yeah nah, get off my board.
>>77420833
>1 post
Goddamnit I forgot to check
Sage
>>77430929
Please don't let them. We have an ethnic commune down there and it's 100% German.
>>77422836
>It's another /pol/ is one person episode
>>77433133
I'm more in tune with nature than that. I need something with genetics and tribalism.
I am thinking in the essence of Godel to be honest. Our reality is incomplete and so we must bind our destiny to known truths.
>>77432251
Question to you. Do you think our economic mode was laid in the Articles of Confederation or The Constitution? If you think yes then I got bad news for you. Economics in the beginning were like the wild wild west. Joint stock companies minimized investor risk resulting in riskier practices in turn leading to high profits in the preindustrial emerging market. Initial market evaluation was chaotic and not brokered with few regulations. The first large companies to set our economic mode were early industry and financial services (banks). Through the industrial revolution profits were being maximized at any cost. This caused stark labor conditions and outcry. The largest market players realized the threat that regulation binds against their motives (to maximize profits). So on and so fourth backs were being rubbed and hands between government and corporate entities were being shaken. etc...
It wasn't pure market anarchism but our foundation was planted damn well with anarcho-capatalism causing stronger and more viable companies to be forged out the chaotic brew.
