We get a lot of love for Hitler here. But what about Based Benito "The Duce Moose" Mussolini?
>>77399946
He was a giant egotistical faggot
>>77399946
/pol/ doesnt like il Duce because muh Italian army.
Which mussolini KNEW sucked and was reforming it. He asked hitler to delay any major conflict until at least 42 but hitler jumped the gun and mussolini joined thinking hitler could team carry
Hijacking thread. Hold your breath and type out the word "WHITES!" over and over until you have to breathe. See how far you can get!
>>77400448
Can't Noose The Duce!
>>77400448
>Shilling a discussion thread about fascism
0.25 sheckles deposited
Does anybody have a breakdown of Italian Fascism versus National Socialism?
>>77400857
No. But i figure you can read Fascism according to mussolini
http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Germany/mussolini.htm
and compare it to Hitler's thoughts on governing in Mien Kampf
>anglo double agent
>based
Can't make this up
>>77401326
>anglo double agent
He rejected the proposals to ally England
Which is why communists beat the ever living shit out of him and hung him on meat hooks
>>77400669
>>77399946
These people cannot pronounce "Duce"
>>77401476
Nope however rhyme schemes are fun, I'll stay in my ignorant utopia of pronunciation.
>>77399946
>loving a person who lost to a bunch of Ethiopian niggers
>loving a person who was less loved by his people than the italian mafia
>loving a person who got hanged at a gas station like an animal in front of a crowd because he was too much of a pussy to blow his brains out and tried to escape
Caмoyбий ce, Aмepикaнeц..
>>77401768
>who was less loved by his people than the italian mafia
But thats wrong
I love Duce!
>>77400857
Fascism = the state is everything.
National Socialism = the volk is everything.
>>77399946
He seems better than Hitler desu. Hitler was too much of a wacko with the racial and religious segregation.
>>77402001
Nat Soc sounds better.
>>77399946
he was all bark, really low-energy leader with weak military
>>77399946
If Italy's showing wasn't so laughably pathetic in WW2 I might have a little more respect for him.
Dux Mea Lux!
Ave, Duce!
>>77402251
Duh. You should learn german and listen to hitlers speeches. No porn on the planet will get you this erect. He talks are just beautiful, full of emotion, desire and conviction, nobody compares really.
no homo
>>77402001
That's not true at all.
National socialism was just Hitler's implementation of fascism. Don't fall for the liberal boogeyman.
>>77402001
Isn't it more like
Fascism = the culture is everything (and race really doesnt matter that much)
National socialism = the volk is everything (and culture really doesnt matter that much)
>>77402051
>racial and religious segregation
>wacko
>that flag
>>77399946
wtf were you nazi fags grandparents doing during ww2?
My grandad was getting shot at by Mussolini's troops. Fuck all yall pretending that fascists weren't massive fucking losers.
>>77402606
Yes it is true. His ideas were focused for the good of the german race first, everything else followed. No matter how your country is called or where it is, your race comes first and it´s survival is the highest priority.
>>77402746
You new here?
>>77400288
This
Fucker should've avoided the damn war
>>77402746
Fighting communists
>yfw one of them was sent to gulag unironically later in the war.
>>77402746
Mine were too. And now the continent is run by globalist jews hellbent on turning German into the Balkans. Big fucking victory
>>77400679
Don't call me a Jew or I will shove your god damn kike nose in a meat grinder.
>>77399946
He was fucking stupid. Instead of allying Greece, which was nationalist/fascist at the time too, he attacked and did the albanians bidding instead, what an enormous faggot.
>>77401845
>b-b-but that's wrong
>be benito
>be pissed because the ww1 peace treaty pissed on your country
>promise your people that you're going to revenge the western powers for pissing on your nation
>become the ruler of italy
>instead of avenge your nation invade a bunch of niggers in africa
>lose to said niggers but succeed on the second try
>conquer the shqips
>get dragged into ww2
>get btfo in africa by the britfags, even hitler's best tank general and tank divisions couldn't save afrika kek
>get btfo in italy by a bunch of americans who didn't even know why they were there
>get hanged at a gas station my a crowd of millions
>the italian mafia had to tell the remaining resisting soldiers to give up to the americans because mussolini is dead
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>the people loved him for this
He was a 5'2" manlet that was brutally exterminated by his own people.
>>77399946
1000% superior to Hitler.
>>77402712
This. Although culture was still really important to the Nazis; it was just subordinated to race (i.e., the test of good culture was whether it was authentically Aryan or not).
>>77402922
Blame the Brits and Frogs. Mussolini actually despised Hitler. He was the once who blocked Germany from invading Austria immediately after Dolfuss' assassination, and was even maneuvering to put Otto von Hapsburg back on the Imperial throne in Austria. But then Ethiopia happened, and Britain and France puts sanctions on Italy, effectively forcing Il Duce into an alliance with Hitler.
>>77400288
Then why did he invade Greece?
>>77402746
My grandpa was busy fucking up Serbian partisans.
>>77402746
They were themselves National Socialists. Two were even Waffen SS.
>>77403310
>have a shit army and shit people to govern
>hurr durr nobody like him
Go beg to Russia, maybe they'll not backstab your ass this time
>>77399946
Dvx mea lvx
Dvce mia lvce
>everybody talking about war achievments
Mussolini turned Italy in to a relevant state and even western democracies admired it. It was one of the few states to not collapse almost completely during the depression. Mussolinis biggest mistake was joining the war. He even knew they weren't equipped. Nazis forever forever ruined everything proposing a non western democracy
>>77403441
Like I said, after the war started and Hitler was winning mussolini thought they could do it early despite the lack of military reform
Greece was an easier target than England, and Greece was getting ready to join the allies not necessarily in war but was gonna give the brits access to attack Germany from a different angle.
Also, greek terrain is the worst terrain in Europe to fight in.
But yeah no excuse for fucking up africa i do understand the military was shit tier.
>>77403020
>turning germany into the balkans
Wrong. We have no niggers here.
Try again, aмepикaнeц
>>77402746
Fighting against commies fueled by your shit.
>>77403730
Ave amicus!
>>77403401
That's Mussolini? He looks more like Cannelloni.
>>77402746
Fighting for the motherland, and killing fascist scum
>>77404463
And aren't you glad that he won?
>>77403866
>Also, greek terrain is the worst terrain in Europe to fight in.
he was stupid invading Greece anyway. Also he was even more stupid for trusting albanians to lead him through the mountains and invading from the damn mountains in the first place, it was suicide. All in all stupid and fast moves with no strategic or tactical plan.
>but was gonna give the brits access to attack Germany from a different angle.
They wouldn't have done much from here, and we didn't choose a side until Italy attacked, then ofcourse it was war.
>>77404602
Of course.
chris cuckwell is live if any of you faggots want to call in and vent your issues with the niggers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbaOzGIyAqc [Embed]
>>77402906
Except fascism isn't about the physical state above all else. The "state" is a spirit in every people. The main difference between Hitler and Mussolini was that the Duce thought it was ridiculous to demand complete racial purity because there were barely any Europeans who had never mixed with another European nationality.
IE saying a German is less German because his grandmother was Dutch when he embodied the spirit of Germany.
DUCE DUCE DUCE
>>77402051
sick bait
>>77403646
When have they in the first place?
We always shit on the russians throughout history
>get massacred like dogs by the ottomans
>russia liberates us and we kick turkroach ass
>tell russia to fuck off after the liberation and ally with germany
>start two balkan wars supported by germany and opposed by everyone else including russia
>fight against russia in both world wars
>join the EU
>refuse to build a natural gas pipe with russia because mummy EU (deutschland ;) told us so
Modern Bulgaria has always been and still is pro-west except during the cold war when we could've been ass raped if we tried to break out of the iron curtain
>>77404809
>They wouldn't have done much from here
They would, Greece was vital for that front. Not saying I approved of the invasion because Metaxas was a pretty ok dude, but the British would've exploited that shit
>>77405118
>>77404854
Enjoy your victory.
>>77405170
>fight against russia in both world wars
Yeah until you thought you could get the easy way out with them and tried to change sides, only to get fucked in the ass by them all the way til the Wall fell. Fucking please
>>77399946
Anyone know the operation name for when German soldiers helped him escape an institute?
>>77404205
>100 000 poor sods, mostly hungarians who didn't even want to fight vs 600 000 brainless drunk mongoloids armed with rifles rushing B
>t-t-they got rekt so germany's army sucked haha
>>77402001
>>77402712
Facism links the state and the people as if they're the same thing. Fascism says the health of the people, physically, mentally and morally, is the health of the state economically, militarily and politically. The people are simply the citizenry and has no racial, cultural or ethnic limitations.
National socialism links the health of the state and the health of the nation emphasizing cultural vitality, ethnic homogeneity and traditionalism.
>>77405170
You did good Bulgaria, you did good.
>>77405712
This?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gran_Sasso_raid
Let's see...
- couldn't even finish off Greece on his own
- lost the heavily fortified city of Tobruk to the allies
- and last, but not least, it was italian and ukrainian troops that were supposed to guard the flanks at Stalingrad.
Hard to say what screwed the axis more in the long run: Hitler's insanity and Mussolini's incompetence...
liking someone who was universally hated is my favorite /pol/ meme
>>77405712
>>77405805
>The Gran Sasso raid refers to Operation Eiche (German for "Oak"), the rescue of Italian dictator Benito Mussolini by German paratroopers led by Major Otto-Harald Mors and Waffen-SS commandos in September 1943, during World War II. The airborne operation was personally ordered by Adolf Hitler, planned by Harald Mors, and approved by General Kurt Student.
>hitler thought of mussolini to be such a bro he rescued him from prison
>years later Hitler sympathizers hate mussolini.
At least I like him still.
Superior Duce coming thru
>>77405935
Go visit Predappio then fucktard
>>77400109
only a dumb fucker like you could say that
>>77403401
Communist traitors aren't """"his own people"""".
>>77405656
American education please don't
We lost ww1 like champs and got fucked in the ass by reparations
We didn't switch sides during ww 2, the soviets rushed our b, no one was really nazi so they quickly conquered us without facing much resistance, killed our parlament, exiled our tzar and installed a communist regime which fought for the sykablyats for the rest if the war.
>>77406258
this man is right, you sons of commi fucks ruined what could have been great
national socialism started as a left wing nationalist movement but became more centrist and basically turned into a form of fascism.
>>77405805
>>77405977
That's it, thank you. Pretty courageous thing for Hitler to perform, although I guess at that time they were good friends.
>>77406258
let's be real, those shitalians were probably the same disgusting cowards who cheered for him until some months before things got bad enough that they were able to crawl like the roaches they are in the streets and pretend to be winners among the "liberators"
pathetic display that is
yeah I hate my countrymen for that, I often think we deserve what we are
>>77406286
Nah m8, the gypsies let them pass through and Soviets rushed your ass, but several of your guys tried to take the easy way out
By the way did you lads ever want to have your own Yugoslavia?
>>77406049
He was a Prince, though.
Superior in all ways.
>>77406793
This
Your country should be a Libertarian because you niggas are so god damn transparent and individualistic when it comes to war
>>77399946
Mussolini was a little bitch that made his shitty wartime record look like he was a hero. Hitler got awards for his service in WW1.
>>77406823
Which ones exactly?
The only nazis in bulgaria were the german soldiers, the german advisors and the royal family.
The germans fucked off before the soviets even crossed our border and the royal family got exiled.
The only people who died for the defense of Bulgaria from soviet invasion were some retreating german soldiers who got attacked by communist partisans and some luftwaffe pilot who got btfod by a russian plane and crashed into the burgas lake kek
>>77406793
>switching sides when things go to shit
It's what you people are known for
>>77408738
WWII is the only true example though
>inb4 Venice memes
>>77408738
how dare you speak, you are bulgarian lmao, your country is known for whores and crabs
>>77404205
Fair enough, eurotrash. Can't blame you for still following loser ideology I guess.
Here in burgerland we actually won the war, so why is american OP sucking loser fascist dick?
>>77403441
>Then why did he invade Greece?
According to Ciano's diaries he said he invaded because he was sick and tired of hearing about Hitler invading a country on the news. Rather than telling his ally that he was going to invade Hitler just went right ahead and did it without any forewarning. So he wanted to see Hitler's face when he learned of the invasion of Greece from the papers.
>>77409018
>known for whores and crabs
didnt know we had a huge export of crabs desu, havent seen a crab since 2009 and il have you know i went to a summer vacation last year.
Whores on the other hand, maby, though upon searching for bulgarian whore pornography i have yet to find any content that is the same calibre as the chech or serbian ones that get "paid" and so on
>>77409441
> actual crustacea
are you just a dumb slavic fuck or a twelve year old?
>>77409441
bro. sorry to tell you but there are many bulgarian whores here, i know some albanian might say she is bulgarian because we dislike albofucks but again, there are many.
Italians are like the jews of ww1. They not only refused to help their allies, but later back stabbed them to avoid giving their shekels (ahem reparations) and got so mad because they didn't gain much land as victors that they let that benito faggot take over under false promises for revenge
>>77409977
>They not only refused to help their allies,
The treaty was a defensive one. They didn't not help them there was no cause TO help them.
Having an archduke assassinated by NON-STATE players does not constitute an attack.
>>77409441
I always heard of Bulgarian wine.
Also a lot of people from here were going on holidays to Bulgaria during the communist rule.
He was an egotistical moron who's actions led to war being waged on Italian soil.
He did some cool shit that /pol/ would have absolutely jizzed over, like playing with Lions and driving race cars. He also confronted the commies and didn't buy into Hitler's laughable racial conspiracy theories. It would have been better for Italy if he just took his country down the isolationist road of Franco's Spain
>>77400109
t. canadian in the US
>>77410346
Exactly this. Mussolini never even established a true totalitarian state! He was the original fascist and, at least until 1936, he was the most sensible dictator in Europe.
Italy should have never joined the second world war. They'd have more land, less would die, more would've been happy.
>>77409933
Damn, i am yet to find a single whore here in bulgaria that isn't a 14 year old aids ridden gypsy.
The bulgarian whoring business must be getting outsourced to greece because your women are so ugly that you greek fags would rather pay to fuck a bulgarian beauty
>>77400288
Making Hitler delay is what caused Barbarossa to fail retard.
>>77410558
> a bulgarian beauty
you haven't seen 'em, bulgarfag, that's why you talk
>The bulgarian whoring business must be getting outsourced to greece
it is, you can find any eastern european, even western.
you sure go in for the bantz when faced with reality.
>>77410346
The problem was that he was fucked from the get go when you have butthurt Anglos and a pissed off Austrian painter trying to take cred
Mussolini was the Obi-Wan Ben Kenobi to Hilter's Luke Skywalker
>>77410525
I imagine it could also mean that the fate of true fascism wouldn't be forever buried.
I swear to god, the left nowadays has no idea what fascism is and throws the term as a synonym to nazism.
We live in a world where words like dictatorship, totalitarianism and fascism has inherent negative conotation.
>>77411112
Well totalitarianism deserves the negative connotation.
But yes, Italian fascism was entirely distinct from the garbage Hitler peddled.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtS1G0F7wT4
remember fags that only communists want you to believe that the italian resistance was exclusively left wing.
mussolini made mistakes and disappointed a shitloads of early fascists. he didn't keep his promises and allied (but was also compelled to do it) with the madman that brought europe to its knees.
all our problems started when we decided to become the shittier version of germany before the ww2
>>77399946
he was easily the most retarded leader
>>77404372
Underrated. Kekd hard.
>>77400288
no, however shitty it was before, he actively made it worse
>>77411112
It would literally take Fascism to new levels in ideas and thought. If anything, Mussolini would've cashed in legit with the Allies if the Cold War ended up against the Soviets
>>77411359
>mussolini made mistakes and disappointed a shitloads of early fascists
Just look at Balbo. He was pissed that Mussolini passed racial laws and he was pissed that they declared war against Britain.
>>77411241
Yeah, I suppose, you're right.
Authoritarian rule surely doesn't deserve it though.
Here in Poland everyone loves our late dictator.
>>77410845
>b-b-but you haven't seen a bulgarian beauty hehe
Kek, i live 10 minutes away from the beach every summer this place is so full of beautiful half naked college girls that even a blind man can see them
The fact that foreign whoring business is booming in greece means that you border blocking island nigger cucks would fuck any foreign woman rather than a greek one.
Can't blame you really
There are a lot of better manifestations of fascism than the nazis.
My favorite is brazil's, but I think a lot of /pol/ would disagree
>>77412344
Why Integralism?
>>77412285
Authoritarian is in a position where it's fun to debate it. The most efficient system is one with one leader. Democracy is slow and inefficient.
But they each have their flaws a benefits.
>Here in Poland everyone loves our late dictator.
Tusk is very much alive and not a dictator.
>>77412344
>My favorite is brazil's, but I think a lot of /pol/ would disagree
>literally encourages race mixing
Was Mosley more of a National Socialist or a fascist?
>>77412652
Mosley loved Mussolini, I don't think he was particularly fond of Hitler.
>>77412510
>Tusk is very much alive and not a dictator.
Hah. No one loves him though. Aside from some those leftist traitors.
>>77412652
Fascist by a metric ton
>>77412816
Fascists warmed up to Hitler because they got backed in a corner by the Anglos, also probably because Germany was pretty modernized and looked good of a chance to gamble
>>77412877
Why? What's wrong with him?
Also who were you refering to? Pi-l-sduski?
>>77412297
>you border blocking island nigger cucks would fuck any foreign woman rather than a greek one.
lel, keep hating bulgar
If there are money available, whoring business booms too, that's the difference between your shithole and mine, and there still are money here.
thing is, i've come to bulgaria several times, was more of a shithole than Athens, that says much.
History should have taught you to not hate on Greece, little bulgar shit.
>>77413160
People hate him because as the PM was ineffective and a lackey of the EU.
The shit he tried to push with his party was mostly outright bad for us and served to undermine our sovereignity.
Not to mention as soon as some scandals here in Poland surfaced, he bailed the ship and left the country completely to work in the EU. Leaving his party essentially to die off.
And yes, I was talking about Józef Piłsudski(for your future reference). One of the finest men our coutry has produced.
>>77413885
>(for your future reference
What? I spelt it fine. And I knew who the guy is.
I just didn't feel like finding an L with a stroke. Get a W like the rest of the world.
Did you know, that up until about the 1700s. Polish stroked Ls were pronounced as you'd expect Ls to be pronounced. The commoners are the ones who said them as Ws and the aristocracy looked down on them for it. My how the times have changed.
> and served to undermine our sovereignity.
And least you have your BFF Hungary looking out for you.
>>77414191
>What? I spelt it fine. And I knew who the guy is.
Just wrote it correctly if you felt the need to bring him up again later.
>Get a W like the rest of the world.
At least we don't have to use V because of that.
>Did you know, that up until about the 1700s. Polish stroked Ls were pronounced as you'd expect Ls to be pronounced. The commoners are the ones who said them as Ws and the aristocracy looked down on them for it. My how the times have changed.
IIRC even some time after WW2 professional actors in Poland were required to spell L in a pretty archaic manner that sounded much different that it does now.
>And least you have your BFF Hungary looking out for you.
True, these guys were always there for us.
>>77414778
>Just wrote it correctly if you felt the need to bring him up again later.
Right, because I talk about Poland all the time that I need to bring up.
Th-that wasn't sarcasm. There's this hot Polish girl at my college.
>IIRC even some time after WW2 professional actors in Poland were required to spell L in a pretty archaic manner that sounded much different that it does now.
Really? Damn that's weird.
>True, these guys were always there for us.
Can't wait for the inevitable Hungarian-Romanian war.
>>77415129
>Th-that wasn't sarcasm. There's this hot Polish girl at my college.
Well then, good luck to you then.
>Can't wait for the inevitable Hungarian-Romanian war.
Pls no, I like em both. Let's just form one happy Intermarum.
>>77415473
>I like Romanians
>Well then, good luck to you then.
Not even the slightest chance.
>>77415564
>I like Romanians
Dunno man, somehow I always chatted with alright Romanians. And it's shaping up to be a pretty decent coutry nowadays.
>Not even the slightest chance.
Not with that mindset for sure.
I've seen some real ugly motherfuckers get a hot gf way too often.
>>77415879
>Romania is a decent country
>Not with that mindset for sure.
Yeah, because I'm sure she's gonna want an autistic guy talking about Pre-WW2 Poland.
>>77402712
how can you separate race and culture?
>>77402746
Fighting against republicans and later commies in the Blue Division, probably
>>77416007
Idk man some women love history related things
>>77416041
You can't absolutely. But what he meant is nature vs nurture.
Fascism believes you can nurture people into an already built society and moral code
NatSoc believes the people form the culture and nobody else could possibly fit in no matter what.
Both require a majority national population (like mostly Italian for Italy, Mostly German for Germany)
Nazi's just consider majority around 99%
>>77416007
>Romania is a decent country
I did not say that. I see that the US education system is doing great as always :^)
>Yeah, because I'm sure she's gonna want an autistic guy talking about Pre-WW2 Poland.
Cmon anon, I know we're on /pol/ but there are plenty other subjects you could probably talk about.
>>77416535
>I like Romania... but it's still a complete shithole... it's just not as much of a shithole as it was a decade ago
>Cmon anon, I know we're on /pol/ but there are plenty other subjects you could probably talk about.
Nah. I'm a social retard. Class is over in a week anyway. Blew my chance.
>>77416489
>Idk man some women love history related things
Some do, sure.
>>77399946
Italy was shit in ww2
>>77416726
>Nah. I'm a social retard. Class is over in a week anyway. Blew my chance.
RIP
It's getting late here so I'm off to sleep.
Better luck next time, anon.
>>77412597
>I think a lot of /pol/ would disagree
>>77418525
>replying an hour later
>>77399946
Il Duce literally did nothing wrong. He got murdered by communists and nobody did a thing about it. Tragedy.
Hilter rescued him from an allied mountain prison with paratroopers in a secret night time raid because 'he was my friend'.
>tfw your friend will never rescue you from a well guarded communist mountain prison
