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>>77395524
Wow!
>pol btfo
>whitey btfo
>drumpf btfo
>rlly makes me think
>hmm
>Splendid!
"If you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear."
-every /pol/tard ever
>>77395524
Yeah, he'll be discussing with the NRA how retarded this idea is and will come out tomorrow with a tweet (or tonight on Hannity) and reaffirm his and NRA's position that the 2nd Amendment shall not in ANY WAY be infringed.
SHALL
>>77396071
I dunno. His policy position statement on his website already mentioned something like restricting guns from suspect people.
>>77396483
Really? Source on that?
At this point only Alt-Right Meme fags support Trump.
>>77396835
It's either Trump with his compromises or Hillary "#KillAllMen" Clinton.
>>77395524
Pretty quite in here.
I guess the US have finally given up.
>>77395524
I am sure he assumes the terrorist watch list and the no fly list are assembled by a reputable department. Using extensive research into the history and criminal record of the individuals placed on that list.
At least that is what I thought until I looked up that shit show of a list.
>>77396483
I just read his entire 2nd Amendment statement, and there is not a single word about that. You're a lier shill.
>>77396835
And at this point only am ignorant twat would support Hillary Clinton. You literally have to try to ignore reality to be on her side at this point.
Federal law, Title 18. Section 2071
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"(a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term "office" does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States."
oh and http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/06/14/hillary-clinton-received-secret-memo-stating-obama-admin-support-for-isis/
#neverhillary
Pandering to the lefties has begun..
>>77395524
Hm. Well I haven't agreed with everything Trump's said up to this point, and this is one of them.
I'm not gonna go through any mental gymnastics to justify this tweet, but I still think he's the best of the candidates running in this election. Some stuff I don't agree with. Whatever, nothing's perfect.
>>77395524
It's ok, friend.
The people you're trying to arm can still arm themselves with illegally purchased weapons. So, relax. The schizos and Mohammad can still create havoc even if they're on every blacklist around.
>>77395524
>Literally asking gun manufacturers for permission to ban the sale of guns.
>>77397259
He has said it in some speeches. The no-fly list is notoriously inaccurate, and could easily be abused if a president wanted to do that.
>>77398192
>The no-fly list is notoriously inaccurate, and could easily be abused if a president wanted to do that.
Exactly, which is why Trump would never support it.
>>77395524
sorry ahmed, you dont get guns or citizenship
>1 post by this ID
Fuck selling guns to muslims and shitskins
Get your own official MAGA footwear! Now extra flipfloppy!
(made in China)
1post by OP, sage and move on
>>77397689
>I'm not gonna go through any mental gymnastics to justify this tweet
What gymnastics? People on the US no-fly and terror watch lists are by vast majority fucking nutcases.
>>77398134
It can work actually. We also have brewers participating in designated driver campaigns.
>>77398761
>not using shill threads to redpill newfags
>>77397329
Doesn't apply to political documents. Just official records of the government.
#justafuckingleaf
>>77395524
"terrorist watch list", "no fly list"
I'm sure that NOBODY will be erroneously or arbitrarily placed on this list despite having nothing to do with terrorism. :^)
The watch list idea is just an end-run around the second amendment. What the fuck is Trump doing?
>>77395524
This is literally what we wanted you fuck fag! This is first step towards making a law that will prevent mudslimes from being allowed to buy guns.
>>77395524
Ugh, this is like the one thing i hope he backs off of, you can be put onto the no fly list for the stupidest reasons
>>77399572
Those guys were litterally terrorists.
>>77399367
Being Secretary of State = being "of the government". Nice try
>>77395524
Is Trump stupid? Doesn't he know these lists are bogus?
>>77398793
But they're not 'convicted by a jury of their peers' nutcases.
They're chosen by the government of the day without trial or opportunity challenge (or even know about) evidence against them.
>>77398993
It's weird that he's even asking them. They shouldn't hold this much power over a presidential candidate. For all his talk about not being beholden to money interests, he clearly is afraid of losing their endorsement.
>>77400158
This. If the due process part came BEFORE being placed on the no fly list I'd be 100% fine with this. But to be placed on, find out you can't buy a gun, then you get a trial is bullshit.
>>77400227
I think It's good that he's willing to discuss things with people who know their shit before he does anything.
>>77398465
I hope not.
>>77400958
They don't know shit about safe gun laws or preventing terrorism. All they know is what will impact sales.
>/pol/ unironically supports banning all Muslims from the country, in violation of the 1st amendment and completely negating any pretence of due process
>when "muh guns" are the subject of a similar edict, somehow this is a travesty
Please have at least some semblance of consistency, the cognitive dissonance is too strong for me to handle.
>>77402125
>non-citizens
>citizens
>>77402125
>the 1st amendment gives every foreigner in the world the right to immigrate to the US
Try harder, Emu-kike.
>>77402125
Banning immigrants on the basis of religion is legal, rooboy.
>>77402125
Fuck off, Jew.
The president has the power to ban any group. Becoming a citizen is a privilege, not a right.
>>77402125
Having an influx of refugees from shit hole countries is not a right.
aren't there a lot of ways a person can end up on the no-fly list and even a lot of people accidentally included on the list? seems kinda fucky that something like that could prevent you from exercising your 2nd amendment right. the terrorist watch list i agree with though
>>77395524
we have had restrictions on who can buy a firearm for a long time. do you want ahmed to be able to buy a gun legally? are you a secret muslim ?
>>77400227
They NRA are literally just the lobbying and marketing arm of gun manufacturers; they don't really care about the 2nd amendment at all, all they care about are sales. The amount of people on terror watch-lists are minuscule and will have no impact on overall sales, so just watch as they wholeheartedly support Trumpy's proposal.
Q: You've talked about wanting to keep the terror watch list but, under current law, individuals on the terror watch list and the no-fly list have been allowed to buy guns and explosives. Are you OK with that?
TRUMP: We have to have a watch list, but we have the laws already on the books as far as Second Amendment for guns, if people are on a watch list or people are sick, this is already covered in the legislation that we already have,
Q: But under current law people on the watch list are allowed to buy guns.
TRUMP: If somebody is on a watch list and an enemy of state and we know it's an enemy of state, I would keep them away, absolutely.
Source: ABC This Week 2015 interviews of 2016 presidential hopefuls , Nov 22, 2015
It's not like anybody should act surprised.
It finally happened.
/pol/ has finally been compromised and have accepted their own demise.
If Trump later confirms that this is his stance, it will prove he is a democrat plant.
>hurr he's doing it to stop muslim terrorists
This is the bait you fools bit, but the sad truth is that just about anybody can be on the list, especially the most dangerous threat to this nation; right-wing lone wolves, according to Obama.
They're talking about you. This whole website and the hate speech it spews is enough to land you on the list.
Look at Governor Jesse Ventura, he was on the no fly list for no fucking reason.
You bet your ass you will be on it too.
We can only wait right now, but if Trump holds this stance, we are 100% fucked.
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20160615/nra-statement-on-terror-watchlists
>"We are happy to meet with Donald Trump. The NRA's position on this issue has not changed. The NRA believes that terrorists should not be allowed to purchase or possess firearms, period. Anyone on a terror watchlist who tries to buy a gun should be thoroughly investigated by the FBI and the sale delayed while the investigation is ongoing."
This isn't about Muslims any more, this about everyone now, wake the fuck up
DAILY REMINDER TO TROLL ALL LIBERALS AND VOTE TRUMP
>>77402125
the delegates, donald
Is it just me or can we no longer see post count?
1 post by this id
>>77402125
>>/pol/ unironically supports banning all Muslims from the country, in violation of the 1st amendment and completely negating any pretence of due process
refugee muslims aren't citizens faggot.
>>77402622
The law is a non-starter really. If gun shops knew who was on the list, any terrorist would have an easy way to check if the FBI was on to them, just by going to buy a few bullets every week or so. This would be unenforceable, and force talks about a replacement law.
My feelings would not be hurt at all, if they simply made a law so that no civilian could buy assault rifles unless they had an honorable military discharge. It probably would not be popular with standard gun collectors, but whatever, fuck 'em.
>>77395524
I support the 2nd amendment and I think it shall NOT BE INFRINGED. However, I do think that allowing people that are in a no fly list and are under surveillance shouldn't be allowed to purchase weapons.
Let that be a right and a freedom of law abiding citizens.
wow, fuck him for this
>mfw /pol/ will be flagged as a far-right terrorist group
Burgers, you're fucked.
>>77403166
Anybody could be put on the watch lists and no-fly lists.
>>77395524
>Not wanting to give guns to potential terrorists
Sounds logical to me.
>>77403166
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/no-fly-list-offers-no-hope-correcting-mistakes-judge-rules-n139896
Open your fucking eyes
>>77403166
Well then you aren't for the second amendment or an absolute interpretation, at all. You fucking moron.
>>77395524
>implying that due process exists currently
>>77402857
Preventing anyone of a certain religion from entering a country, and presumably deporting all non-citizen Muslims from the country is the definition of impeding the free exercise of religion. You don't have to be a citizen for constitutional rights to apply. As an Australian I could come to America and start yelling on the street that you're all a bunch of obese inbred fuckwits who deserve to die, and if you tried to arrest me for it, you'd still be violating your constitution.
>>77403088
>if they simply made a law so that no civilian could buy assault rifles unless they had an honorable military discharge. It probably would not be popular with standard gun collectors, but whatever, fuck 'em.
Holy fuck, kill yourself
>>77402321
>rooboy
Am I a #ShillforHill now?
Why do you fags want terrorists to have guns?
>>77403166
Everyone is law abiding until they're proven guilty by a jury of their peers.
>1 post by this ID
>>77403088
Surely if they knew the FBI was on to them it'd be good though? Cos then they'd be far less likely to actually follow through with plans knowing they're compromised.
>>77395524
>I am meeting with people to discuss X
Does not equate to
>I support X
>>77399367
WOW look, a dumb fucking canadian that doesn't research anything before he posts.
>>77395524
Isn't the whole fucking point of the watch list to spy on you WITHOUT your knowledge?
>>77403822
You realise anyone posting on a notorious right wing forum can be classified as a domestic extremist?
>>77395524
shit, i just read the 2nd amendment... it mentions "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed, provided, however, that the person is not placed on an arbitrary terrorist watch list or no fly list by an unelected bureaucrat."
>>77402321
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/experts-trumps-muslim-entry-ban-idea-ridiculous-unconsitutional/2015/12/07/d44a970a-9d47-11e5-bce4-708fe33e3288_story.html
It seems actual legal scholars disagree, Lard lad
>>77403834
> implying the 'no fly list' or 'terrorist watch list' is an adjudication of guilt by a fair and impartial jury
>>77403864
Working in a group, they just use someone else to buy supplies. The one being watched, would lay low until the heat was off, and their operation would go hidden. But hell, since all the terrorists in recent years have been born in America anyhow, what is stopping them from just owning a gun shop to begin with? .
>>77403484
>>77403556
>>77403642
I am aware, though, that the no fly list in its current state is bullshit. My point is, that people who are suspected of terrorism, under valid reasons and with justifiable evidence, should not be allowed to purchase guns.
I do think law abiding citizens have the right to have guns. Hell, I wish I could have as many guns as you do.
And I do think that the current no fly list system needs to be completely revamped in order for this to be viable.
Please answer me this. Forget about the current context and politics. If you knew that there was someone who is planning an attack against his fellow countrymen, would you allow that person to obtain the tools to carry it out?
Again, I know the current system is flawed and it could make it so that the government abuses it in order to take away the right to bear arms from law abiding citizens... but you can't also just let those people suspected of terrorist ideals to carry on with their plans.
>>77395524
AUSSIE CAN'T
READ
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HE IS MEETING WITH THEM TO DISCUSS THE TOPIC
NOT PUSH THAT AGENDA
GTFO
sage
>>77396835
You can support Trump and not be an alt-right faggot.
>>77404161
>washington post
>>77404132
Yeah dude everything the founding fathers wrote should be set in complete stone even though they could have never fathomed how different the world would be 300 years later.
>>77398192
Source.
You can't just lie and get away with it.
>>77396071
I'm hoping this is it, otherwise I'm done trying to defend Trump to my cucked family and more liberal friends. I'm gonna become a #JohnsonPuller
>>77395524
Report, ignore, sage, hide.
>>77403692
do you know jeff goldblum?
>>77404543
Here >>77402628
>>77396976
>Trump is comprimising.
Don't let these ratarded shills get to you. Donald Trump didn't say that he was going through with this action he said he was going to discuss it with a pro Gun group to see if it was a good idea. Unlike every other candidate, Trump gets advise from real people not kikes hiding behind shadows.
>>77402125
>Implying immigration restrictions violate free speech
>Implying non-citizens have due process protections
I know you're an Aussie, but this is just poor, even for you.
You do know due process doesn't exist post-patriot act/ndaa, right?
>>77396835
The NRA probably initiated this. You're clueless if you think they'd grovel to Trump or anyone else
>>77402125
you gathered a lot of (You)s my aussie friend.
>>77398445
UNINFRINGED
>>77403692
>and presumably deporting all non-citizen Muslims from the country is the definition of impeding the free exercise of religion.
Yes but they don't have freedom of religion because they are not citizens.
>As an Australian I could come to America and start yelling on the street that you're all a bunch of obese inbred fuckwits who deserve to die, and if you tried to arrest me for it, you'd still be violating your constitution.
No we wouldn't. You have no right to do that until you are a citizen of the United States.
Do you really think if some retarded towel head came to the U.S. without citizenship and started screaming for an armed revolution of american muslims that we couldn't kick him out of the country.
>HAHAHA TRUMPFAGS AND GUNFAGS BTFO
you guys are getting fucked no matter who wins, sorry no more of you degenerate faggots can get guns, this makes sense, only law abiding upstanding citizens should have the privilege of having guns
>>77402628
>and an enemy of state and we know it's an enemy of state
that qualifier tho- i dont think he considers 'right wing extremists' enemies of the state like king nigger does
>>77403538
you realize half the people who post here are on watch lists, and the other half are behind 7 proxies
>1 post by this ID
Sage or don't reply, you fucking retards.
>>77405234
>only law abiding upstanding citizens should have the privilege of having guns
>privilege of having guns
>guns
>privilege
go live in the EUSSR where you belong commie
>>77404878
The 1st amendment also covers freedom of religion m8, please actually learn your actual constitution. All non-citizen Muslims in the US (of which there thousands) would have to be deported under Trump's proposal - such an action would be a direct contravention of the 1st amendment protection against impeding the free practice of religion. The constitution applies to all people within the geographic borders of the US, just in case you didn't realise. It's a bit sad that an Australian knows more about your constitution that you do: http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/immigration/255281-yes-illegal-aliens-have-constitutional-rights
>>77395524
>I'm going to meet with people and talk about thigs
>HOLY SHIT POL BTFO THE CONSTITUTION IS BEING SHREDDED AS WE SPEAK REEEEEEEE
>>77395524
you posted wrong image
or you have no idea what "due process" means
>>77395524
I see once again that slippery slope need to be greased up with the blood of sodomites again..
>>77396835
Wait, is edgy beard guy gay ?
>>77395524
rather than outright banning people on watch lists from owning guns, being a on watch list should simply trigger a second level of background check
obviously the legislation would need to be written in an airtight manner so that it can't be exploited to violate listed people's rights, but I think this could end up being a good compromise where people aren't blocked from buying guns but there is just another level of security in place
>>77405435
why is this a bad thing? Retards don't deserve guns. They are powerful tools and only those who prove their worth should be able to handle them. We don't need more autistic fucktards uprisings
>>77405203
PLEASE LEARN YOUR CONSTITUTION: http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/today%E2%80%99s-question-non-citizens%E2%80%99-rights
"in 1945
the high court did hold that “Freedom of speech and of press is accorded aliens
residing in this country” (Bridges v. Wixon, 326 U.S. 135, 148)."
I could be an illegal immigrant and still call you all a bunch of fuckwits with no legal repercussions.
>>77395524
>reading comprehension
Fuck this pro-Hillary board. I've never seen the shilling so bad. /pol/ is now LITERALLY pro-Hillary, and liberal. Great job, you fucks took over. Now what? You're going to just keep spamming shit to each other until everyone leaves? Then in a few days once you get bored, everyone just comes back. This has happened many times in the past. You shills deserve to be slowly dissected while you're kicking and screaming for mercy, then tied up and left out for crows and insects to pick at your open body until death.
>>77405884
someone post the picture of him sticking that thing up his ass
>>77405971
>shall not be infringed
>let's infringe
who gets to decide who's a 'retard' and who isn't? liberal psychology majors who consider conservatism a mental illness? fed spooks who consider anyone who posts at a place like this a national security threat?
>>77406461
>shall not be infringed
Outdated shit.
>>77406635
>irrelevant flute band commune tries to tell a real country how things should be done
no way jose
My suggestion to appease normies:
Create a list (with Judicial and Congressional oversight), that is aimed at preventing actual or suspected terrorists from buying a gun. Perhaps with some clear rubric set by law as to who may be put on the list (i.e. not that an FBI agent was in a bad mood that day).
The sale is delayed for a set number of days, where further vetting takes place like
>>77405955
and the individual would have a timely, clear and unambiguous way of appealing to have themself removed if they are on the list by mistake.
>>77406461
It's not infringing on anyone's rights tho. You should have no problem purchasing a gun if you aren't a fucking degenerate. This is completely fair, if you are a terrorist, criminal or degenerate you shouldn't be allowed to have guns, that's just logic and common sense
>>77395524
Welp, guess I'm a #JohnsonMissile now.
>>77407044
I agree if you're a PROVEN terrorist/criminal, but not if someone THINKS you MIGHT be. Big difference!
>>77404613
>no I have become bait, destroyer of threads
>>77407044
>being denied your Constitutional right to own a gun
>because you're secretly on a secret list made in secret by secret government agents according to secret rules
>you can't find out if you're on the list and it's almost impossible to get off it if it's a mistake
>not infringing on due process and the 2nd Amendment
>mfw every /pol/lack is placed on the terrorist watchlist for being "right wing terrorists" and are denied without due process
>>77395524
I bet you guys anything he's going to convince them to support him on this by making it dependent on a clause of being a muslim or brown person
I'm calling it now
he's goingto bust out gun crime statistics nd highlight the national race issue and the media is going to be powerless to shut him up
>>77395524
>People in this thread thinking that suspected terrorists should be able to buy guns
k
>>77407445
This.
Funny thing is, the Dems have been pushing for this for a while, now some Republicans are jumping on board.
It infringes on your second amendment right if you're not convicted of a crime.
>but dune coons are all terrorists
Again, they have to be proven to be terrorists beyond a reasonable doubt.
> Private sellers
> Due process
Lol wut?
>>77406284
>a few bait threads
>/pol/ IS PRO HILLARY NOW I GIVE UP WAAH DDDDDDDDD-':
Look here you faggot, bait is a part of life on /pol/. You're not supposed to post until you've lurked for a few months, now fuck off.
>>77395524
I'm glad people are finally realizing Trump was a lying flip flopping shit all along. It's too late for that matter now but at least it happened.
>>77405884
He says he's not gay, but he does a lot of gay shit on camera.
this is where i break with him
we can't do this
>>77395524
1 post by this id
Sage all shill threads
>>77407864
Americans are a bit "special", you have to be understanding.
>>77407864
I agree that suspected terrorists shouldn't be allowed to buy guns, but you have to realize this can set precedent.
In this case, gun owners are worried about a potential slippery slope. If you can deny the second amendment right to someone, you can do it to others as well.
From a legal standpoint, it could pass congress and the senate, but it would probably be shot down by the supreme court.
Without due process or a conviction the suspected terrorist hasn't done anything illegal. Therefore their second amendment right could be infringed upon if they're denied the ability to buy a gun.
>>77395524
there are literally children on the ''no fly list''
>>77408081
That's completely ignoring the myriad of legally binding agreements the US has signed with other countries regarding the movement of people; agreements that are intrinsically connected with important trade and defence ties. Aside from the guaranteed legal issues, the fact remains that there is no reliable way to determine who is Muslim and who isn't when entering the country - no passport contains such information, and even if you did based on visual profiling, if a terrorist really wanted to get in, they'd just shave their beard and claim they're Christian, no one could prove otherwise. So basically the whole idea is completely retarded, and how it was brought up by a major US candidate is insane.
>>77409040
hopefully muslims
>>77404161
>washington post
How will the Democrats spin this into a bad thing, when they support it?
>>77404613
rage
seported
never (s)age or you'll get banned by the shillary mods.
>>77395524
Don't you faggots think the NRA will set him straight?
>>77409249
You mean one of the most highly-regarded newspapers in the world that's won 47 Pulitzer prizes and broke the Watergate scandal? What source would you rather, The Daily Mail lel?
>>77409594
The NRA has supported gun control for year
FUCK THEM
They're no friends to lady liberty
>>77408951
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
>Security of a free state
>Selling weapons to terrorists against the free state
Where does it say that there should be no screening process? No register of gun owners? No need for a license? If there was a register of gun owners and people buying guns, Police could keep an extra eye on suspects.
I still don't think it being illegal to sell weapons to criminals/terrorists etc. somehow breaks the constitution.
>>77409234
nah you're on their for being a toxic white cis-gendered male who said mean words on 4chan
thanks for supporting the police state!! have a good day!!
>>77396835
finally, a better angle
>>77395524
Nice meme. Saged and hidden.
>>77395524
> people on no fly list can no longer buy guns
> government puts everyone who is critical of them on the no fly list
Is Trump this fucking stupid?
>>77409829
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state IS THE REASONING FOR THE RIGHT THAT FOLLOWS
>the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
NOT A LIMITATION THEREOF
>Where does it say that there should be no screening process?
INFRINGEMENT
>No register of gun owners?
INFRINGEMENT
>No need for a license?
INFRINGEMENT
> If there was a register of gun owners and people buying guns, Police could keep an extra eye on suspects.
Congrats, you are now on Madam President Shillary's terrorist watch list for posting on the terrorist white male /pol/ board!! Thanks for supporting the police state!! Have a good day!!!
>>77404613
whoever made that image is retarded, half those ops are either ironic or have been around for 8+ months
>>77396835
lol my life long left leaning parents in a faggot liberal country support Trump.
If you guys can't manage to elect him your country will truly get the fate it deserves.
>>77395524
I've been saying this all fucking day, just stablish a special jury composed by NRA members to go over every name in the ban list deciding wheter the ban is reasonable or not, veto power.
>>77409829
The part where it says "shall not be infringed"
Show me where the 1A says you can't tax church attendance, require all newspapers articles to be government-approved, and require all petitions to be administered by the state. See, I can pretend I don't understand basic concepts, too.
>>77410090
But selling guns to a terrorist, threatens the free state. As in Orlando, it threatens people to be free, and do what they want with their lives.
I don't think terrorists or violent criminals are a part of "the people".
>>77410090
This.
I don't really support anybody in the US elections, I hate them all. Speaking from a legal standpoint though, this clearly infringes on peoples second amendment right.
I don't see how a law like this could pass the Supreme Court, unless another amendment to the constitution is made.
>>77410554
That's not what "free" means
Infringing upon the Bill of Rights is what makes people not free. Not free from the oppression and tyranny of the federal government.
Having the 2nd amendment may make people less SECURE as in they are in more danger day to day but I will take FREEDOM over SECURITY any fucking day of the week.
>>77410554
It's called due process, if someone hasn't been convicted of a crime their second amendment right cannot be taken into question.
>>77410090
>>77410524
How does having a register infringe on people's right to bear arms?
>>77410592
It'll pass the Supreme Court because Scalia died. Justice Scalia was the Left's last roadblock to getting to the Bill of Rights
>>77396835
Is that Gavin?
>>77410554
You're missing the point. Keeping guns away from terrorists is A-Okay with just about everybody.
Using a secret list which has congressmen and children on it because they have a similar name to a suspected extremist is not.
>>77396071
>NRA's position that the 2nd Amendment shall not in ANY WAY be infringed
You are naïve as can be. NRA is a lobbying firm who has made deals with lefties.
>>77410792
It infringed the people's right to bear arms the same way putting 99% of the voting stations for elections in "white" suburbs and only 1% of voting stations in black ghettos infringes on Black people's right to vote
Any restriction or boundary which makes it more difficult to utilize your right is INFRINGEMENT
>>77409997
yes. been the plan all along. when the primaries started clinton had zero chance of winning unless someone worse showed up. all dems hate trump, and he will make republicans feel the same eventually. hillary has already won. gun rights aren't the only ones we are about to lose.
>>77410792
If someone can be denied their second amendment right because they don't want to register, that's in direct contravention of what the second amendment says.
>>77411163
this this this
I can't believe there are so many retards here that don't even understand basic law
>>77396835
Is he making out with Rachael Maddow?
>>77410524
How does requiring all churchgoers to submit their names to a government database before they can attend church violate freedom of religion?
Or what about forcing people to submit their personal information to a government database before being allowed to engage in speech that's critical of the government? Surely that doesn't infringe on freedom of speech.
>>77395524
>Wanting nonwhites to have guns
you crazy, man.
hang on
if you're a convicted felon or criminal or whatever, and you're not allowed to vote, as i hear is what happens in the US, how is being unable to purchase a gun because you're mentally ill much different?
i get the whole "secret watchlist" argument now, though.
>>77412070
Because being "mentally ill" is
1) not a crime
and
2) ambiguous and vague where Madam Hillary can describe whoever she wishes as mentally ill including Donald Trump himself (who she has called mentally ill)
Many of us including myself and Justice Scalia believe that not allowing felons to have guns is also unconstitutional as an infringement on the 2nd amendment
>>77402125
>And don't forget Donald, I'll be taking the delegates.
>>77412378
gotcha
essentially, you could label anyone mentally ill and do what you will with them, just as you could label anyone a terrorist
>>77412581
Yeah it's way too vague, there has to be a direct definition, like if someone has been in contact with terrorist groups, or if they have been diagnosed with some sort of terrible mental illness.
>>77410738
How is oppression and tyranny of the federal government any different from oppression and tyranny from some groups of people?
And I don't see how having a register infringes on the right to bear arms. As I said, violent criminals and terrorists are not "The people".
>>77410751
But how is it? They simply have a register. People can still buy guns like before, they just have to be registered. If a suspected violent criminal/terrorist buys a gun, the police will keep an eye up.
I don't know how dysfunctional the US is, but I have a pistol and several hunting weapons here in Norway. All licensed. I just don't see how the government can abuse power, by knowing that I have guns.
>>77411036
And how can you keep guns away from terrorists without having regulations?
(You can't, but you can make it harder, especially to get automatic rifles).
>>77411103
What? People can still buy guns. They still have a right to buy a gun(s) - but they will be on a list that the police have access to.
A list would not infringe upon THE RIGHT to bear arms. It would infringe upon anonymity, sure.
>>77411163
What if (white landowners) people don't want to register to vote?
Does that break the constitution?
Like, I am not American and we have our own (excellent) constitution - and no matter what the constitution in the US say, I am in favour of having a register of gun owners. I really do not think a suspected terrorists should be able to buy a automatic rifle, so that he can easily slaughter 50 innocent people.
I am not against gun ownership though.
>>77402628
Link to source?
>>77402125
I have never actually read the amendments, but it makes sense to me that the amendments should only apply to legal citizens
>>77395524
Felons cannot own firearms in my state. There is already a precedent for disallowing certain individuals from owning guns.
In the end, it doesn't matter, since these people will find a way to get guns if they really want them. Get a fellow muslim who is not on a list to buy the gun, then give it to the person o the list. And there's the black market, of course.
>>77412581
Exactly
Personally, I believe in the 2nd amendment in the strictest interpretation that all citizens of the US should be able to purchase, sell and own any weapon and ammunition as they so choose with no restrictions whatsoever
HOWEVER, at minimum there has to be due process in the court of law to remove someone of their right if the people choose to restrict guns
It cannot be done through the bureaucracy
>>77395524
>1 post by this id
>>77389925
>>77412755
If you are denied your right to bear arms due to not registering, your right to bear arms has been infringed.
>>77395524
>Hitler wanted to take away the guns
>Trump wants to take away the guns
>Therefore Trump is literally Hitler
looks like the shitlibs were right again /pol/
>>77395524
My fkn sides trump calls hillary a "rank amateur"
>>77412910
Do the constitution speak about the right to bear arms, or buy arms?
>>77395524
SAGE
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>Trump is the most leftwing Republican candidate that we have had in a while
>Clinton is the most rightwing Democratic candidate we have had in a while
Just end it already
>>77412755
If you don't want to register to vote, that's fine. People are not forced to vote in the US. The constitution doesn't say you absolutely have to register to vote, you can choose if you want to or not.
The second amendment says you have a right to bear arms. It's a right just like any other right in the US, like religious liberty. You can choose to be religious, or you can choose not to be, that's your right.
You can choose to exercise your second amendment too, but you don't have to if you don't want to.
>>77395524
What you libertaricucks need to realize is that I don't give a FUCK about due process
Trump and his dynastic successors need to be given complete control over every aspect of the American public life and the private lives of Americans. This is the only way we can achieve our manifest destiny.
>>77413161
>he still believes in the left-right dichotomy
>>77412755
>How is oppression and tyranny of the federal government any different from oppression and tyranny from some groups of people?
The Constitution and the Bill of Rights protects the people from oppression from the federal government. The military, national guard and police are supposed to protect the people from violence from other people. The federal government cannot restrict your right to keep and bear arms. That would be unconstitutional. If you don't like it, repeal the amendment.
>And I don't see how having a register infringes on the right to bear arms. As I said, violent criminals and terrorists are not "The people".
Having a register creates a barrier to owning a gun that you have to be registered first. That registry requirement is created by the legislator which can be changed often. Everytime power changes hands in Washington there are new people in the legislator who may want to limit certain people from buying guns. Maybe in 5 years there will be a bunch of atheists in the legislator that want to stop Christians from owning guns so they say that no Christians can "register' or Christians have to pay 10,000$ to register. Maybe there are a bunch of Asians in the legislator that want to prevent Whites from registering.
This Omar guy, he wasn't a "terrorist". He wasn't on any terrorist watch lists. He wasn't on any no-fly lists. You can't police crimes before they happen. He wasn't a criminal until the crime was committed.
>>77413092
http://www.wsj.com/articles/second-amendment-protects-right-to-buy-and-sell-guns-court-rules-1463429651
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZO.html
>>77409691
The president can withdraw the ability of immigration from any alien group he deems dangerous to the United states.
>>77413436
Careful what side you pick bootlicker
Lady Liberty doesn't care about your head on my pike either prole
>>77395524
Shill. Sage.
>>77402125
Citizenship means something. It has to. A democracy belongs to her citizens.
If it doesn't, and ANYBODY can come over here, then the citizens, rather, belong to their country, instead of the other way around.
>>77413861
Go ahead buddy and murder me. Enjoy your life sentence in prison :^)
My life is not some precious thing to me; there is no greater honor than to be martyred for the American Empire.
>people are still making this threads
>whiny retarded gun shitters and their low IQ's shooting themselves in the foot
nice job helping tank Donald, retards.
the NRA's position has always been crystal clear, but you dumb mother fuckers are too lazy to even know what that would be.
>>77411163
No one is being denied of such right about gun but you have to follow the protocol which purpose is for the people's safety or else -- you break the law -- and when you -- break the law -- you -- go to jail -- get it?
>>77412378
Actually being me falling ill is not ambiguous or vague. Mental illnesses are clearly laid out in the DSM, a thorough guide to psychology that is approved by the psychologists professional accusation and only updated every five years or so. To be mentally in, a qualified psychologist must describe you as one after a thorough examination. Hillary Clinton is a lawyer and cannot make that determination, nor even recommend someone for psyiactric analysis.
>>77413994
>prison
>implying Trump cares about some prole's life
>>77414138
Psychology is a literal meme science
Nobody in the scientific community respects psychology
>>77395524
GOODBYE CONSTITUTION
>>77414155
Trump cares about the lives of all Americans - that's why he's doing this.
>>77413171
>If you don't want to register to vote, that's fine. People are not forced to vote in the US.
And if you don't want to register to buy a gun, that's fine.
The constitution does not say that you having to register, is infringing on your right to bear arms either. Only if you count violent criminals as "The people".
>>77413477
>The federal government cannot restrict your right to keep and bear arms.
And how exactly would requiring you to register to buy guns infringe on your right TO KEEP and BEAR arms? You can buy a gun legally, then keep it and bear it as you want.
Does the constitution state that you have a right to get to buy weapons? What if you refuse to pay?
Does it state that you have a right to HAVE weapons? In that case, should the government not really be providing free weapons?
>Register
There would simply be a register. The police could check the register, and see if suspected violent criminals have guns/have bought guns legally.
No requirements. Though I would not allow known violent criminals to buy, as I do not consider them a part of the people.
>>77413690
will read
>>77414335
Lol, he obviously doesn't care about the lives of Americans 500 years from now because if he did he would protect them by upholding the constitution and the bill of rights
>>77414272
My apologies, I'm on an iPad and psychiatric autocorrected to psychology.
By no one, I assume you mean no one other than clinicians, researchers, psychiatric drug regulation agencies, health insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, the legal system, and policy makers.
Just fucking googl DSM and click the Wikipedia article.
>>77414401
Cornell and the Supreme Court both agree that "the right to purchase and sell firearms" is included in the 2nd amendment by proxy. The registry is unconstitutional as its a barrier to buying guns.
Simple logic senpai
Constitutional: I want to buy a gun -> I buy a gun
Unconstitutional: I want to buy a gun -> I have to be inputted to a national registry -> I buy a gun
It's an infringement because my right is to keep and bear arms (and buy them (see: cornell, supreme court)) and in order to exercise that right you have prevented me from doing so by introducing new legislation. That legislation is therefore UNCONSTITUTIONAL
>>77414531
Well good thing that no CEO's of pharma companies are on the Supreme Court or else we'd be fucked with bullshit like not letting "mentally ill" people have rights. I really want Martin Shkreli interpreting Constitutional law....
>>77395524
FIRST ONE TO TALK GETS TO BUY A GUN AND FLY ON MY AIRCRAFT
>>77415124
You having to show your ID and sign a paper, is not hindering you from getting a gun, more than you having to drive from home, to a place where they sell guns.
If the amendment spoke of a right to have guns, the government should be providing free guns.
And what if you want to buy a gun, but can't afford it? Doesn't that also infringe on your said right to buy guns? You not having enough money, is a bigger obstacle than you having to show an ID and sign a paper.
You are advocating anonymity, the 2nd amendment is not.
And btw, don't you have to show ID to prove your age? Isn't having an age barrier unconstitutional?
>>77409829
You forgot about mister 5th and mister 14th amendments guy.
>>77414077
>due process to be removed
>have to wait to be removed to get guns
>waiting times are years
>you need to show up at some obscure time to some town building to give all your information and prints
>then it goes back into the process to be "processed"
>if you miss the obscure time, or the person who is supposed to process them (who only processes 1 a day), then your application is rejected
It's the same bullshit Massachusetts does. My home town literally would only have a guy show up for 1 hour on some random day that you could never know what it was and he had to approve you for a gun license. And every person to get that information would run you around in circles.
You can't have a 2 part system.
If you want to deny someone their right to get a gun, then arrest them. Otherwise, deal with it.
Don't leave the country's door open to people who are dangerous.
>>77415972
>Isn't having an age barrier unconstitutional?
Yes it is
The Constitution prevents the government from infringing on your rights. Me not having enough money to buy a gun is not the government's doing. Having a registry is the government's doing. And the 2nd amendment doesn't say "Shall not be infringed unless its really easy to do and not that big of a deal" it says
SHALL
NOT
BE
INFRINGED
>>77404317
>If you knew that there was someone who is planning an attack against his fellow countrymen, would you allow that person to obtain the tools to carry it out?
That would be conspiracy and is an actual criminal charge they could be duly convicted of.
These lists are suspicions only.
>We are happy to meet with Donald Trump. The NRA's position on this issue has not changed. The NRA believes that terrorists should not be allowed to purchase or possess firearms, period. Anyone on a terror watchlist who tries to buy a gun should be thoroughly investigated by the FBI and the sale delayed while the investigation is ongoing. If an investigation uncovers evidence of terrorist activity or involvement, the government should be allowed to immediately go to court, block the sale, and arrest the terrorist. At the same time, due process protections should be put in place that allow law-abiding Americans who are wrongly put on a watchlist to be removed. That has been the position of Sen. John Cornyn (R.-Tex.) and a majority of the U.S. Senate. Sadly, President Obama and his allies would prefer to play politics with this issue.
The key sentence here is this:
>At the same time, due process protections should be put in place that allow law-abiding Americans who are wrongly put on a watchlist to be removed.
The NRA wants the system reformed. They want terrorists to actually be investigated when they are put on the list, not just thrown on the list and ignored so long as they don't try to board a plane. They want the investigation to have due process, where if evidence is found of terrorism, you go to court and have a trial. If you are wrongfully put on the list, you can also go to court and have your DUE PROCESS as an AMERICAN CITIZEN to be removed from the list. Either way, your right isn't taken away from you without a trial.
Trump will not push for any legislature on gun control without having the NRA's approval. His meeting is to understand what their position is and understand what would be the right course of action to take on this issue. This is how Trump operates. He doesn't pretend to know everything about anything. He gets educated from advisors who know the issues, and then he makes a decision.
>>77398445
Fuck you, 5 bullet leaf.
>>77416028
>5th amendment
If a jury find you guilty in committing a violent crime?
>14th amendment
>except niggers, women and indians
>>77417464
I can hear you say that, but how is it infringing your right to bear arms?
Your right to bear arms, your right to have arms, your right to buy arms and your right to sell arms are all different things.
Just because some NRA paid judge/senator says that they are all the same, doesn't make it true.
>>77417589
This is perfect. Due process will be protected as long as this is made central to whatever legislation is written.
>>77417727
If a jury finds you guilty that is due process of law. Suspicion and being on an arbitrary list is not due process.
Also the 14th amendment was made for niggers guy.
WELL EVERYBODYS HEARD ABOUT THE BIRD
>>77396835
So there are twelve million alt-right meme fags who are registered republicans?
>>77417973
Then how is the amendments so special, if they can be added (and removed?)?
>>77404423
(You)
>>77417589
>Either way, your right isn't taken away from you without a trial.
THE POINT OF A "RIGHT" IS THAT ITS NEVER TAKEN AWAY BECAUSE ITS YOUR FUCKING RIGHT YOU FUCKING RETARDED REDDITOR BOOTLICKER
>>77417919
>Just because some NRA paid judge/senator says that they are all the same, doesn't make it true.
Actually it does because of the precedent of judicial review created by Marbury v Madison. When the Supreme Court says the right to purchase and sell firearms is included in the 2nd amendment then that makes it Constitutional because thats what the purpose of the fucking Supreme Court is, to determine if legislation is constitutional or not
>>77418327
Ahh, so you're posting in both threads. Confirmed shill then. I'll just copy pasta my post from the other thread to BTFO you again.
You're one stupid nigger. What do you think happens when you get caught stealing, or murder someone, and go to prison? Your rights get taken away. You stupid fucking faggot nigger. Felons can't even purchase firearms.
You're either a shill or an ignorant nigger. Either way you just got BTFO.
>>77418279
If you disagree with an amendment then REMOVE it
Don't try to pass dishonest, subversive legislation and executive orders to circumvent it
If you don't like the 2nd amendment, then repeal it bootlicker
>>77418550
That's unconstitutional as well. Taking away a felon's rights is unconstitutional AS FUCK
Much like with immigration and the veteran shit, Trump will first have to fix the system in place before implementing anything.
Just awful. I can't believe I put in this much time and effort to a guy who turns out to be a complete and utter cuck. He just said on Monday he wouldn't be doing this.
Now I know the betrayal Bernie sanders felt.
>no fly list