http://www.breitbart.com/london/2014/12/04/the-sexodus-part-1-the-men-giving-up-on-women-and-checking-out-of-society/
>“My generation of boys is f**ked,” says Rupert, a young German video game enthusiast I’ve been getting to know over the past few months. “Marriage is dead. Divorce means you’re screwed for life. Women have given up on monogamy, which makes them uninteresting to us for any serious relationship or raising a family. That’s just the way it is. Even if we take the risk, chances are the kids won’t be ours. In France, we even have to pay for the kids a wife has through adulterous affairs."
What can be done about this?
Serious answers please. No, killing all feminists is not a viable option. And no, killing all the jews again is not a viable option.
>>77365021
Saged. Go away cuck shill
>What can be done about this?
Stop giving them easy access to money, food and medicine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_sink
This is nature's course correction for overpopulation. Nothing to be done,
>>77365021
>Serious answers please. No, killing all feminists is not a viable option. And no, killing all the jews again is not a viable option.
Kill every non-white?
>>77365196
You're a retard.
Also sage.
>In France, we even have to pay for the kids a wife has through adulterous affairs
why lie about my country on the internet
>>77365136
>No mention of cuckoldry anywhere
Do you morons have cuck on the brain 24/7? Read the fucking post and reply with something of substance, pleb.
>>77365268
Why is that retarded?
>>77365021
race war
>>77365278
Family law is cucked in every western country. You literally have no rights as a man
>>77365021
This is the plan. By creating this dysfunction in women, you will come to embrace Islam once the desire for order becomes so compelling.
>>77365278
Aren't paternity tests illegal though?
>>77365439
This
>>77365021
>No, killing all feminists is not a viable option. And no, killing all the jews again is not a viable option.
Looks like you don't really want a solution after all.
>>77365021
Take female voting away. Problem solved. Without the female vote right wing parties would dominate, welfare would be curbed or outright removed and without wealth redistribution women would need to take accountability and responsibility once more.
>>77365021
>killing all the jews again is not a viable option
agree to disagree
>>77365499
no they are not, they are only done under court order, if you are both white and your wife has a black child, or even if you have a doubt you can refuse to recognize the child, petition a judge and get your test done.
>>77365439
>reality is shit so it's fine to lie
>>77365021
Im starting to think Islam taking over the west is our last hope.
:-(
>>77365021
>again
If I had a girl who was nice and loyal, I'd happily wageslave to support a family and society.
Basically, I'm a NEET but I'd do whatever was in my power with all my effort, if It was for that kind of idyllic 50s family, with a house, a wife to take care of it and our 4 kids. Unfortunately, I don't think that's possible anymore, perhaps most of all because women don't want that.
Get a girl who isn't from a cucked western country /shrug
>>77365021
MGTOW is the answer.
Only when women are forced to face the consequences of their feminist whoring about will they change their behavior.
Anything else is cuckoldry.
>>77365699
>Can only do a paternity test under a court order
>>77365356
That could apply to Japan, but dying out Europe isn't overpopulated.
>>77365021
Nothing can be done damage is done its too late for us, Rome v2.0. just pray that Japan or China will eventually start making humans artificially to solve their demographic crisis, since Europeans are too PC for that.
>>77365860
because you can refuse to recognize the child unilaterally
>>77365832
This.
>>77365021
Weeeeeell... As a Slav, I can't really complain.
I have a beautiful Slav wife, a beautiful baby boy who I will teach how to properly Slavsquat, and a beautiful dog.
Feels good not to be white.
>>77365021
Killing the jews is always a viable option, you fucking dfaggot OP.
Ban the Internet entirely.
>>77365600
This is what I love about you guys
You absolutely CANNOT operate in reality. It's not possible for you. Your solution to everything is some thing that cannot possibly happen, so ultimately you have no solutions.
>>77365600
This guy comes the closest to something realistic.
Rather than take away suffrage, start pushing through divorce court reform.
Alimony was designed for the days where women couldn't be employed or could only be employed in certain professions. It needs to go.
Without the threat of alimony and losing their kids forever you'll see a lot of men be more receptive to starting a family.
>>77365356
>1 post by that ID
>Ad hominem
Just report and ignore these posts, famalam.
>>77365832
The problem is the MGTOW movement is generally associated with betamax "nice guys" angry they can't get girls. If you want to be taken seriously, you're gonna need a different movement.
>>77365968
Issue is, through welfare and such the paying still occurs. Wealth redistribution is one of the biggest reasons why things have devolved in this way.
Without responsibility, accountability and being allowed to act like entitled little children women started running wild. Consequence is the downfall of society.
>>77365597
Based Hungary
>In many cases the [alt-right] men you're describing do have problems. They sometimes aren't the most socially fluent, they sometimes aren't the most sexually fluent. Fuck you for putting those people down.
What did he mean by this?
>>77365832
Won't you just end up with a small minority of guys who won't MGTOW, and the few of them service all the women? Rather than change their ways, women would rather share the few guys that will continue to enable them.
>>77366092
except that any movement that they start will be associated with betamax "nice guys" because they are the betamax nice guus
>>77365278
Bad news Jean-Claude
paternity tests are illegal in france
>>77365021
De-population and a return to an age of scarcity rather than abundance. Probably also a return to traditional gender roles.
Our future shall be the mouse utopia otherwise.
>>77365699
>I need the entire country's justice system to approve me getting a $100 dollar test to see how hard I was cucked.
>>77365236
>killing all feminists is not a viable option
Prove it, you can't just say that without backing it up.
>>77365832
Any reason why top chads would go MGTOW willingly?
>>77365780
You couldn't wageslave and support a family anyway on today's wages. Both parents have to work and that's a big reason families grow apart, they never see each other.
>>77365832
Best answer unfortunately swarmfront is gonna show up and start screaming about white children.
>>77366197
No they are not.
>>77366215
you can refuse to recognize a child at birth, the paternity test is only used if you need it as ground for divorce
>>77366248
MGTOW isn't anti sex, it's anti relationships.
>>77366172
Women compete for men just as men compete for women. If the best or too many men go MGTOW, some women will shift and accomodate their values, just as men have shifted to accomodate women over the past decades.
Don't sensor your thoughts or opinions.
If you are in /pol/ you are already in ahead in the game. just act like real life is a /pol/ thread.
People will be ass hurt, but it lets them know that their ideologies won't go unchallenged.
>>77366172
This, women are fine being in a harem if the guy is hot.
A guy is more appealing in an MFF than a normal fuck, just like a married guy is more desirable than a single one because he must be doing something right to be desired by others.
>>77366007
As someone who works for the state it's more than clear a lot of woman know they can get away with a lot of shit.
>Don't want to work rest of their life
>Have kids
>Throw away husband because you're just interested in alimony
>The state (taxpayer) pays your welfare, housing, etc
>Kid grows up, state tells you to work
>Oh shit, better have another one
You burgerfats live in a delusional world where you think capitalism is an awesome garden that grows and cuts its own hedges when left unregulated
Just fucking gas yourself retard
>>77366019
Exactly
>>77366370
Case in point
>Ugh, I don't want any of these disgusting inferior women to in a relationship with ME, the ALPHA!!
>heh.. heh... i'll still have sex with you though, ladies? anyone?
>>77365021
knowing what is good and teaching it to others. for the woman to remain a virgin till marriage is the delight of any man
>>77366346
>At birth
But if you suspect the child isn't yours after 5 years you're fucked, aren't you?
>But that doesn't happen
Happened to two people I know.
Because casual sex and being wealthy is better for me. I have no interest in kids and i haven't found a woman worth marrying. I would argue that the vast majority of today's women have extreme princess-syndrome and this combined with sexual liberation has lead to some extreme delusion. Great for fucking, shit for marrying.
>>77366019
>Rather than take away suffrage, start pushing through divorce court reform.
>thinking women will vote out their alimony
How do you imagine this process?
>>77365021
>What can be done about this?
>Not killing the jews
KILL THE FUCKING JEWS INCLUDING OP
>>77365021
>a young German video game enthusiast
That's a very generous euphemism.
>>77365278
>>77366197
>>77366346
Yes they are.
Paternity Tests Illegal in France
Sex in France is like wingsuit diving or underwater cave exploration
a bad idea
"French men who sent them could theoretically face a year in prison and a 15,000 Euro fine. This year the ban was challenged but the French Government decided to uphold and maintain the anti-paternity testing law."
https://www.ibdna.com/paternity-testing-ban-upheld-in-france/
>>77366370
So how does this solve anything? "Chads" are doing that at the moment and women don't care about beta orbiters that much.
>>77366447
I'm not sure what you're even on about. I am staunchly anticapitalist, but ultimately that's irrelevant to my post.
You can't take the vote from women. There is no serious potential reality where that happens. There is no serious potential reality where you ship all blacks to Africa.
There just isn't
>>77366498
Bane?
>>77366472
99% of women want a monogamous relationship when they reach 30.
Don't give them that, they'll change their behavior. Sex is a tool to them, it's not their end game.
>>77365021
Limit the power of the state to enforcing property rights.
Things like the welfare state have destroyed the modern family by removing the consequences to things like being a dumb slut, etc...
>>77366007
found the woman.
women didn't have the right to vote until men gave it to them so your "impossible" scenario already existed. women are more likely to vote for social programs, vote democrat, vote for mass immigration, all which kill the nation. It'd be better if they didn't vote at all
Not taking little nerds seriously sounds like the most useful option here.
I mean seriously this kid is as relevant to reality as that angry german kid video.
>>77365278
It's true under sharia law though
>>77365968
What. The. Fuck.
My parents literally had sex only when they wanted to make children (which is me and my three siblings), they said so themselves.
And they are doing great after 32 years of marriage. They have their differences and nag about each other from time to time, but they'd jump into fire for each other, and they would NEVER cheat.
This "sex is important" bullshit is just a disease born in the western world. Yeah, it's nice to get your dick wet, but NEVER EVER should you make it even one of the focus points of your relationship.
Like what the fuck, are you going to have your "perfect" partner in pieces? John for his personality, Garry for his money, Jamal for his cock?
This infuriates me, what the fuck. I need to listen to some music.
Also:
>>77366248
They already are. Chad's are as much Manchildren as the people they complain about since many of them prefer promiscuity and contraception to raising a family.
Ban contraception, porn and change divorce laws. Basically Islam will do this if the West never does on it's own.
>>77366370
That's worse. Promiscuous men are even worse for society than those who check out
those chicks are ugly>>77365021
>>77366669
Women are already groveling for the nice guys when they hit 30. The nice guys just have to hold strong.
>>77366789
M8, there are no women here or anywhere else anywhere near your lonely life.
While it might be fantastic if women couldn't vote, the idea that that's a potential reality is naive beyond belief
Why do you idiots refuse to operate in the world? This is why you spend all of your time on the internet, btw - where your fantasies can become true
>>77365278
this cant be real
>>77366649
you're literally ignoring everything I've been saying.
They are legal under court order.
>But if you suspect the child isn't yours after 5 years you're fucked, aren't you?
that's too bad for you, cuck, don't act like common law doesn't have the same paternal figure shit
>>77365278
this is why you only ever cuddle with mummy other girl bad bad and no make me stiff like mummy
>>77366968
Banning or heavily Restricting the Internet is a fix to many of the problems I the OP. For women too of course.
>>77365021
>In France, we even have to pay for the kids a wife has through adulterous affairs.
I don't know how this meme started. Paternity tests is legal. you have to go through court to perform it but it's legal.
>>77366649
>>77367019
This is not a joke. If you order a paternity test via the Internet or by telephone in France, you risk a year in prison and a fine of € 15,000 (Article 226-28 of the Penal Code).
http://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/28882-Ordering-a-DNA-test-in-France-is-a-crime-punishable-by-heavy-fines-and-jail-time
>>77366968
We are here to shitpost you silly cunt
The jew holocaust jihad WW3 happening isn't actually coming
>>77367127
What's stopping men from just driving to like Spain and having it done?
>>77367097
Hell, I would love for the internet to never have been invented. Sadly, this, like every other cause of the way things are, is an immutable fact of the world now.
>>77366007
Except it will inevitably happen when society starts collapsing. Female voting rights are a novelty invented in the West and mostly only shared in countries which were colonized by the west. It has without fail ruined all of these countries.
It's like "How do we stop this rabbid dog?" "Well, shoot it." "WE CAN'T POSSIBLY DO THAT BECAUEE WELL NO SPECIFIED REASON WE JUST CAN'T".
You want a solution, this is the solution. You rejecting solutions because they don't fit your personal views similar to a communist rejecting reform before the inevitable collapse of the Soviet Union doesn't mean it's not the right solution.
>>77366649
Your link is a plain lie though.
>>77366968
>M8, there are no women here or anywhere else anywhere near your lonely life.
that damage control, definitely a woman, if not your certainly a fag.
>the idea that that's a potential reality is naive beyond belief. Why do you idiots refuse to operate in the world?
It's not about what the world is, it's about what the world is meant to be. If you want to be a cuck to go along with the times, that doesn't make it good. You are a post modern pussy and part of the problem
>>77365021
>not a viable option
Have faith, brother
>>77365021
>What can be done about this?
Sharia Law. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it. Embrace it.
>>77367104
>>77367019
Why allow a judge to allow you to determine if your child is yours?
Think that judge is going to allow everyone to get a paternity test? Sounds like the point is to deny.
>>77367127
are you reading impaired ?
>>77367220
>Hell, I would love for the internet to never have been invented.
>>77366956
It's true that it's very much a man's market after 30 but the women are all used-up, damaged whores by then. You don't want one of those.
>>77367232
Look, if we have totally widespread social breakdown, then anything is possible
But it seemed to me the implicit idea is "do something to avoid social breakdown." If the idea is to just wait for it all to crumble, then yeah, that's what's going to happen... as what is going to happen inevitably happens (tautologically, of course)
Leftists are already trying to shut down the Internet for feminist reasons.
Maybe we need to support their effort but raise awareness of the health problem of Internet addiction for women too.
Then when the Internet is restricted people will be bored enough and deprived of their instant gratification a digital have to consider things like marriage again.
>>77366007
>It's not possible for you.
What do you think will happen when Muslims are majority in Europe?
Feminism is doomed, condemned in every scenario. If the fascist right wings take Europe, feminist lose; if muslims take Europe, feminist lose. It's absolutely over for them.
>>77367236
>>77366649
I think paternity test are illegals if they are made without the woman consent, i could be wrong tho
>>77367363
Exactly, let them die alone.
When the new generations of girls see all these miserable old women all washed up and alone, they'll start to think twice about cock riding til they're 30.
>>77367245
If you want a solution to a problem, you have to operate within the realm of possibility
Otherwise, why not just say "a wizard [you're almost there, I'm sure] should come and fix everything"?
>>77366968
>the idea that that's a potential reality is naive beyond belief
Your are naive. This will happen anyway. If you will not do it Islam will.
>>77367097
Because this shit didn't start in earnest with the feminists of the 1970s.
Sounds like a german who spent too much fucking time on /pol/
>>77367360
Perfect picture.
4chan really is just gambling with time instead of money, but instead of winning anything you lose more time.
>>77367484
Why would a woman ever consent? Why would she risk losing her slave?
Why would the judge ever allow it? Why risk the state paying for the bastard rather than the poor cuck?
>>77367582
>>77367433
again, my understanding was that OP wanted a solution to salvage society, not to wait for its inevitable end
because of course, "wait for the inevitable end" is the correct choice
>>77367602
Oh no it definitely did. And with Reagan passing no fault divorce.
But still I wonder if it's only This bad now because of social media and porn
>>77366164
that the social pariahs inhabiting this board and similar spaces are a strange, angry and emasculated breed.
>>77365021
fuck off feminist shill op. your only answer is to make things worse for anyone who happened to be suffering from being born with a penis attached to themselves. i hope you kill yourself faggot.
>>77365021
Honestly,
I think guys should "check out" of the traditional dating/marriage game. I think the complaints about 3rd wave feminism, liberal policies, and all of of this gender nonsense has made it an uphill struggle to do what you were raised to do (find good girl , marry, kids, etc).
The pendulum will swing back, but I think it's best to treat women like an alcoholic. You have to let them go until they crash and decide they need a change. In time, their natural instincts will lead them back to traditional values.
However, I doubt this will happen because of our hardwired addition to pussy. Every man, on some level, needs it, and when confronted with a supply of pussy, no matter what your brain wants, the temptation will be hard to beat.
We can't save women, they must be allowed to debase themselves until they see they damage they've caused, and sincerely want to change.
>>77365021
>tfw I know 'Rupert' and have played with him and Milo on steam
Rupert is a dick, he's also a gay furry and loves renamon (a shit tier waifu) :333333
>>77366925
>Ban contraception, porn
Never going to happen. They're both 1st amendment protected.
>>77365832
MGTOW is a form of surrender.
>>77367874
How the fuck did Jews manage to get contraception (a physical act) covered as speech?
>>77365021
I'm doing this to some extent, but only as a result of refusing relationships with non-traditional, non-virgin women, as well as hiding my wealth and avoiding taxes as best I can. I didn't intend to be "MGTOW", and would much rather be happily married to a good woman and growing a good, wholesome family with her, but that path is only possible with the right type of person.
>>77366968
What is hilarious is that people like you are convinced that "the real world" is a constant, something monolithic and unchanging which shows a very distinct lack of knowledge where history and the developement of society is concerned.
Then again, you might simply think we crossed a certain rubicon and that any further developement will all go in the same direction. Which is equally as untrue. We're basically at the point the Roman Empire was right before it's fall.
Seriously, you are calling something that has been the norm all throughout history, still is in most places in the world and that is shown to be a huge disaster in the countries who tried it and haven't had it merely be a "double the husbands vote" thing somehow is some force of nature that can't be altered. What's up with that?
Guess what, stuff will rapidly change as European countries start running out of money and public life beings to collapse. Which it already is given the behaviour of police in some countris and how the state is incapable of enforcing standing laws.
>>77365021
It's bound to happen. Consider how the west gas historically seen men. Disposable, willing to die in wars and mineshafts for their people. But now wars aren't faught that way. And men funny have s much of a people to fight for, but the west still sees men as disposable. And will continue to treat men as such until there culture changes. that's why hypergamous relationships are so common. It's why mgtow exists, why almost all homeless are men and men have the highest suicide rates.
All those means is the west will have to change or die. And change doesn't just happen, it must be conscious because it's inherently a change of power
>>77367615
Everything he said is 100% true.
I hate these articles because they're always so one-sided and make it seems like it's 100% the fault of men. Don't get me wrong, they're not innocent, but when you look at modern young women, it's easy to see why no one wants anything to do with them.
>>77365322
Yes, this site is obsessed with the term now.
Oh look it's that thread again
>>77366092
"wanting to be taken seriously" is a false idea that your life can only validated through other people's opinions, and it is the very essense of femininity.
A man lives how he sees fit, and everyone else should mind their business.
If you are worrying about what other people think, you are a slave.
We're only acting the way women have acted for centuries. Thinking only of ourselves and our own enjoyment rather than the greater good and social contribution. What happened to equality, senpai?
>>77365702
Fighting one extreme with another doesn't work.
2D is the answer.
>>77367579
The solution to the problem is the solution everyone like yourself overlooks. You just stick your head in the sand and try to find a solution to obvious problems. You have to think outside the box, so that includes abandoning what common people think is decent or proper. If my solution offends you, I couldn't care less because the truth is more important than your feelings. Will it likely happen? Probably not, and what this country subsequently go down the toilet because our stupid ancestors decided to give power to a group of people that didn't deserve it. The fact that my vote is worth the same as the vote of a woman, despite the fact that I am smarter than 99% of women is a fucking abomination of justice
>>77365021
> What can be done
Nothing. That's the plan, and it works.
>>77368017
What has happened? Society has crumbled? I know that. I explained as much.
OP is looking for a means by which we can salvage society.
>>77365143
Remove welfare, and people are no longer married to the state.
Hell, it's a tenet for the family unit to be dissolved by communists and have the parent be the state/commune. Welfare looks to just be that kind of step, along with current divorce laws.
>>77368212
Kill all jews or take away women's right to vote isn't thinking outside of the box
it is just an inability to think critically and rationally
>>77367397
Here's the thing, we have ways to prevent it but they require radical change and rethinking. They would absolutely be possible and could be implemented but mostly aren't because people like you think they shouldn't. Which is different from them not being solutions but rather them being solutions you refuse to support.
It's a bit like a doctor telling you that they have to ampute your leg because it's dead and necrosis will spread and kill you. You scream and flail and cry and deny they'll have to do it. Now either you can let them do it, or they will simply do it once you pass out and then they might have to take it even further as the situation has gotten worse.
That is the situation we're in, take it or leave it.
>>77365322
OP image was clear bait.
On topic, women now can make a living on their own and thus don't necessarily need a man to provide for them. Even in cases where they don't work the state can take care of them.
They can get most of the emotional validation they need from online, either by posting sexy pictures in Instagram or just finding an echo chamber for their thoughts (much like how neets go on).
Women can get the sex they need without any commitment and don't risk social exclusion or an unwanted pregnancy.
Modern rules allow them to live independent of men unless they want kids, but less of them do want kids(when they are young enough to have them anyways), and even then child support and government money can help.
The only solutions to this are pretty extreme and unlikely to be popular. Get rid of contraceptives, abortion and government support for single mothers and men would suddenly be getting married more, or make having kids a requirement to advance your career, or or seriously massive tax burdens on middle and upper class people without children. Only way you could argue this to most people would be on the grounds of birth rates, and even then most wouldn't accept it.
>>77367216
its spain
>>77368362
They're not "not solutions." They are not "realistic solutions capable of occurring within the realm of the world in which we live"
I didn't say they should or shouldn't happen. I said it's not happening that women are losing the right to vote. It just isn't, man.
Grow the fuck up, and realize that you can't take the right of women to vote anymore.
>>77368367
>OP image was clear bait.
It's 2 race mixing whores. Completely on topic for this thread.
>>77365021
Wait until the women are also made unhappy by the situation. It will take a while.
They think the "freedom" they are fighting for means that they must dismiss all traditions, especially monogamy. That they must disregard men. It won't make them happy.
>>77366956
This. Just keep to yourself and get whores for your urges. Focus your attention on hobbies, building home equity, etc.
Fucking cellphones
>>77368017
>Guess what, stuff will rapidly change as European countries start running out of money and public life beings to collapse
You realize money at a nation level is a thing of the past. All that matters is obedience. If the state can maintain obedience, money doesn't matter. People will just recluse into the homes and communicate over Facebook so they can pretend the have a meaningful life. As long as people are fat and socially sedated, every western state is secure monetarily
>>77367661
I just done some quick research and i was wrong, they can't be done without the man's consent(the girl have nothing to say in the matter) and they are legal only when ordered by law.
So i guess you can't just do the paternity test out of the blue
>>77367824
Basically this
>>77365021
> In France, we even have to pay for the kids a wife has through adulterous affairs.
Wow, a country more cucked than my own, who would have thought
>>77366237
It worked for the USSR. Stalin executed the feminists leading the anti-marriage movement.
>>77367824
>the solution is to let them ride the cock carousel, and eventually, once they're all used up, they'll marry you!
>>77366308
And all of this DESPITE computers, a lower birth rate and a huge increase in efficiency.
Somehow we need more working people to achieve less pay.
>>77365021
Child raising by state.
If a couple divorces, the one at fault pays the other, if applicable, a one-time suit. This only applies to abuse and cheating.
Children are taken care of by the state, regardless of outcome. This is a failed marriage, without psychic powers, we assume both people are at fault. A state nursery will be a better choice, the now divorced couple may visit the child and bring the child out for 60 days per year each, but shall never be adopted.
>>77368812
>Desptite technological advances
LOL
Did you think capitalists would pay you more when they could pay you less? The less skilled you make labor, and the more interchangeable you make all of us as laborers, the less we are all worth to any business.
>>77367824
NAWALT
No, seriously, this post would be fine if not too general. Thinking like this could cause well meaning guys to turn down the well-adjusted mothers of this improved generation you talk about. Not to say A LOT of girls are shallow and hedonistic these days, but it's not all of them.
>>77367824
In keeping with the analogy, realize every woman is on a biological clock. Once they want to change, they might never actually admit it just like an alcoholic and before your know it they have cirrhosis and slowly dying
>>77368808
Bingo.
They still end up winning.
>>77366447
>shitty state enforced welfare/marriage laws
>directly tied to capitalism
Before the welfare state, the nuclear family was the engine that drove society. WTF you shitting on capitalism for?
DROOOOOOOOP OOOUUUT OF LIIIIFE WITH BOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG IN HAAAAAAAAAAAND
>>77365278
Now i see why every woman thinks France is the country of love or some shit like that
>>77366649
the fuck happened to France?
>>77369152
Probably leftists
>>77368361
>Kill all jews
well at least you outed yourself as a strawmanning retard incapable of arguing with the argument actually presented.
>it is just an inability to think critically and rationally
funny you should say this because most of the people who proclaim to think this way are some of the most ignorant pathetic excuses for human beings. You have no sense of self conservation, or national pride, you just let foreigners and women walk all over you. Women's suffrage was a mistake, a mistake that will haunt any country that is dumb enough to enact it. It's like giving children a say in the government, it's fucking ludicrous.
>>77365278
thats fucking insane
>>77369600
Great, now that you've outed me as a coward cuck sjw, explain how taking the right for women to vote is within the realm of possibility without societal collapse
Why do you even care about who I am? It's because you can't argue what I've said.
>Not killing hollywood
>>77365021
>What can be done about this?
Slut shaming like in ye olden days.
>>77369152
We had a system based on responsibility and self determination, it worked up until the 50's but now it poses problems.
>>77369346
it's a remnant of a conservative society.
>>77368367
>The only solutions to this are pretty extreme and unlikely to be popular. Get rid of contraceptives, abortion and government support for single mothers and men would suddenly be getting married more, or make having kids a requirement to advance your career, or or seriously massive tax burdens on middle and upper class people without children. Only way you could argue this to most people would be on the grounds of birth rates, and even then most wouldn't accept it.
Yeah, but then women will simply marry a man just because he's stable, not because they love him. Yeah, that happens now, but it would only increase as you almost force women to need a man.
The solution is always to stop coddling women. Stop telling them they're right all the time, stop giving in to their demands, stop giving them everything they want.
That will never happen, though.
>>77365278
I have seen other French posters say that it is illegal. Even what you say is true, which very well might be it is still retarded that you have to ask a court to do paternal test.
>>77365021
This is what /pol/ wanted right? This is MGTOW at it's peak right goys? Why is this even an issue? Fuck women man. Just fuck them with protection and live as a king man. Don't worry about racial survival goyim, that's for C.U.C.K.S!
>>77368534
The one who needs to grow up and get a clue is actually you. You reject perfectly fine solutions not based on logic but your own views and beliefs. It's not even a question whether it's going to happen, the same as a complete removal of welfare, wealth redistribution and so on it's merely a question of at which point it's going to happen.
You can either wait till stuff gets bloody and really bad, as women are usually bought off and manipulated or we can do it before that point. That's the two choices you have, there are no others. No temper tantrum or crying will change that.
>>77368591
This is in itself contradictory. You need money to pay for welfare, social security and all the other things to buy off people. But buying them off and keeping them complacent does not in turn generate more money nor does it make these "monetarily secure".
The system is already failing, they're making up most things as they go borrowing and conjuring up non existant money to pay for prior packages in ever increasing numbers, this can be kept up for a while but not forever as it has no basis in reality. So far all they've done is preventing the entire thing from blowing up in their faces hoping they can dump it on their successors, who in turn will do the same but eventually it will blow up.
>>77367615
Sounds like a swede
>>77369909
>Yeah, but then women will simply marry a man just because he's stable, not because they love him
That's literally what should happen
Arranged marriages is the best shit that any society ever decided to do.
>>77368808
>Muh used-up meme
Vaginas are elastic, retard. They're designed to have things put in and slid out.
If babies come out if them and they go back to normal, dicks won't effect it.
The fact is a lot of you have just too high of standards when it comes to women. Virginity is overrated and pointless. A woman does not have to be a virgin to be marriage material or make them bottom of the barbell. Then again I have to remember to take everything written here with a gain of malt.
>>77365021
>What can be done about this?
nothing really, be the best man you can be,
and make sure the girl you are dating shares the same values as you.
milo is a predator gay trying to lure vulnerable, lonely young men into his faggot cult. He is grooming them to be his future bottoms.
>>77370012
I am only rejecting them because OP wanted something that could actually happen.
Sorry for operating within reality
>>77365021
>No, killing all feminists is not a viable option. And no, killing all the jews again is not a viable option.
Its the only option and until it's on the table I'll keep playing my video games and not getting married, while contributing as little as possible to society.
>>77365021
>The Men Giving Up On Women...
Stop printing your fantasies and claiming it to be news, Milo, you big poof.
>>77365597
Criminally underrated post.
become homosexual
>>77370045
You'd want to be married to a woman who doesn't love you and because of that, will not care for your kids as much as one who did love you? You'd rather marry a woman who will fuck the gardener or pool boy to get what she wants because she doesn't want it from you?
>>77369896
Since when is importing niggers and sandnigger more tahn anyone else a "system based on responsibility and self determination"?
Unless you meant determination to be a cuck
>>77368169
sauce?
>>77370004
>Just fuck them with protection
But that's rape if you're not attractive enough and/or she's had a drop of alcohol.
>>77366649
> but I am using "illegal" as a euphamism for "impossible," and they're not impossible
> are you so stupid that you can't understand that, and keep arguing what the law actually says?
>>77370050
>babies come out if them and they go back to normal
Newsflash: they don't
>>77370050
It's not about how good sex is you fucking retard.
It's about the fact that this girl has spent 10 years fucking any guy that asked her to, this implies a lack of self control, and a good chance for STDs.
I'm not a virgin and my girlfriend has been with 4 guys before me, and even that makes me uncomfortable. Sex is still good, it just feels like I'm competing with all the guys she's been with before, and like at any moment she could decide she wants to live young and free again, and cheat on me.
>>77370393
if you're unable to understand the simple english I use you're on the same level as those niggers
>>77369986
No you must ask only if you have recognized the kid before, if you are not retarded you check before that
>>77365021
I'M FUCKING TRIGGERED
>>77370510
>Mentally cucked and insecure
She's already cheating on you fàm. Women can sense that shit and you'll never make her wet again.
>>77366248
One of the guys I work with is a Chad. He really is good looking (no homo) and everywhere he goes all the women sigh and look at him and laugh and smile at everything he says.
He told me that he moves to different apartment complexes a lot because too many women know where he lives and come visit him unannounced for sex and he told me sometimes he just wants some sleep and to be left alone for a while.
I can't even wrap my head around that. Women and I mean hot women not fat slugs knocking at my door all the time for sex.
I asked him if he had any kids and he grinned and said "yep but those husbands think those kids are his"
So these women want the beta bux but want the sexy DNA of the Chad. It is a surreal world.
So Chads are not even thinking about MGTOW. What we have left are men obsessed with anime and traps / ladybois
It is not a good place to be.
I give up on nothing! Once I get a decent job and get some time alone THEN and only then will pick up some girls! I don't care what happens because I am smart enough to kill myself the right way if things don't pan out. Shit happens but I am not going to be the one that sits back and gives up. I have always been the that guy who pushes the button when nobody else is willing to. Fuck it why should I care?
>>77365021
>What can be done about this?
Nothing, this system must now collapse. Just like communism, it has too many contradictions and faults. Out of the chaos a new order will be born, as always. Too bad it will be bloody because of the multicult. See Yugoslavia to realize what happens when multiethnic states enter crisis. The new order will include a much smaller welfare state if any, which will force women to act saner and nu males to man up.
>>77365021
Go with one of the few based women left. Thankfully we have some things in favor:
1) the degeneration isn't even. It's very strong in the USA and in some western country, less so in other ones such as Poland, Croatia, heck even Albania
2) We live in a globalized world. I agree that many western women aren't even worth fighting for. But nothing prevents you from going to seduce a foreigner in one of those based countries, and even eventually bring her back.
Do not be the beautiful one that makes his generation hard. Because the times are tough, it is needed to go to large length to find the few good women left and ensure the perenity of our world. Through making kids and giving them a good education.
This is my personal answer. It's what I did. I have the wife, she is very traditional and I know she will never ever divorce, it's against her culture. I will ensure we have good, healthy and smart kids.
Good luck.
>>77365021
The problem is the media, teaching people to be disgusting degenerate animals, men and women. Remember, for a woman to screw around, she needs a man to screw around with. I write this as a former degenerate myself who saw the light, and as a man take responsibility for encouraging women to have promiscuous random relationships or giving in when they wanted me.
We have to encourage a rejection of the media that infects people's minds, rap music, all other forms of degenerate disgusting music, and TV, etc. We have to start valuing our less carnal desires and the responsibility of adulthood.
We have to grow up.
>>77366881
They're lying to you moron, so that you view sex as a degenerate thing and save yourself till marriage. If they're actually happily married after 32 years, they're most likely fucking like rabbits, probably 5 times a day.
>>77370776
Left one is cute
>>77370530
Sorry, correcting now.
لطيفة احمق الاقتصاد
>>77370510
>it just feels like I'm competing with all the guys she's been with before, and like at any moment she could decide she wants to live young and free again, and cheat on me.
That has everything to do with your insecurity and nothing to do with her history. The problem is you.
>>77370462
These kinds of fake feminists who make false accusations need to be openly mocked. And you have to assert very clearly that actual rape is wrong when you do it, or they'll label you a rape apologist and try to ruin your life. In fact, they'll do that even if you make it clear that you know rape is wrong. They're ridiculous.
>>77370777
Nice lucky trips. You'll succeed in life man.
>>77370950
>and nothing to do with her history
ayy
lmao
>>77365597
Based Magyar.
>women start acting slutty
>men become upset
what the actual fuck? is your penis so small you cant compete with niggers?
>>77370776
>> .6->2
>> 1->3
Magical numbers.
>>77370950
Yes, because if she had never implied she has a lack of self control, I would totally still feel like she has a lack of self control.
>>77369750
>explain how taking the right for women to vote is within the realm of possibility without societal collapse
>not reading my posts
>It's because you can't argue what I've said.
Can't argue with what you've said? That's a joke, I conceded that it's not likely to happen yet you still go on pretending like that was my argument in the first place (This is called the Strawman fallacy, I recommend acquainting yourself with it to avoid future embarrassment). My argument is that taking away women's right to vote would make this country better because women are more likely to vote for increased welfare, increased taxes, increased immigration and other nation destroying concepts.
>Why do you even care about who I am?
I don't princess, I made an accurate prediction as to your gender based on your stupid responses. Women are not naturally rational and pragmatic unless they have good fathers and husbands who beat it into them. Like all women you play the victim for sympathy as soon as things get rough, which is why women will never make good or competent leaders.
>>77370577
>This is partially due to the official desire to "preserve the peace" within French families, with the French government citing psychologists who state that fatherhood is determined by society, rather than biology. French men often circumvent these laws by sending samples of DNA to foreign laboratories, but risk prosecution if caught. The maximum penalty for carrying out secret paternity testing is one year in prison and a €15,000 fine
Why does it say that Frenchmen often send DNA tests to other countries? Do courts often not let them to do paternity tests?
>>77370981
>And you have to assert very clearly that actual rape is wrong when you do it, or they'll label you a rape apologist and try to ruin your life.
Even that's not enough anymore. Even saying "actual rape" will draw their ire.
>>77365021
Milos magnum opus, great piece by based ally
>>77370373
Romantic love is hippy bullshit.
Read what the ancient greeks thought about it.
>>77370776
It's a shitty world.
>>77365021
Maybe should have left Europe alone in the 40s and not supported communism.
>>77366881
Yeah. I have to take breaks from this board just to keep myself sane. The rage that I get from reading this shit is almost unbearable.
>>77365021
Let it burn
>>77371367
falling for a cuck poster
>>77371119
Nobody know about these laws , and again it's not forbiden until you have recognized the kid
>>77371365
>Sweden
>>77370373
A woman will care for her kids.
I'd rather the institution of marriage be openly for what it is ultimately about.
When you sell women on the idea of romantic love, they see Chad and Tyrone - the man of their dreams stupid as fuck fantasy with which they will never be satisfied. You need to sell them on the notion of duty, and ultimately, love will grow out of a sense of partnership and shared duty.
>>77371405
desu what I miss the most is the horse meat shops, but even white sissies don't want to eat it anymore
>>77365021
>German video game enthusiast
aka plays Euro Truck Simulator
sex for recreation
rampant hedonism
declining morals in favor of "it feels good"
narcissism
feminism
there is nothing that can be done. let society rot. we did this to ourselves.
Lmao at the people saying to kill non whites, when it's the white race perpetrating marxism
>>77371405
Muh nazi
They killed all our nationalist but no for stupid neo-nazi we should like nazi.
This pic is more before/after nazi
>>77370050
Actually, recent research into female psychology show that the more relationships they have the worse they are at holding a proper long term relationship.
There's a whole host of other issues which have been mercilessly suppressed because they don't fit the etablished narrative but it causes growing distress, depression, anxiety and other things in women as they aren't by nature build for real hypergamy. They're basically meant to lock down as "valuable" a guy they can to secure their aswell as the survival of their children and constant failure to do so seems to be pretty damaging to their psyche.
>>77370128
Are you attempting some kind of truth by repetition. Because right now you sound like some broken record that isn't refuting what is being said with actual arguments but simply by going "No, no, no, NO NO NO NO LALALAL CANÄT HEAR YOU NO!".
>>77366498
Pretty much this.
Why not just troll for younger pussy until my dick no longer works?
What woman do you know that's actually worth spending the rest of your life with?
I don't know any like that, that's for sure.
>>77371659
>we did this to ourselves.
No we did not. Older generations did. Instead of preventing millenial access to all rotten bullshit, they allowed and sometimes even celebrated it, until it was made "normal". If you had any clues on how to prevent current situation, they kept it to themselves. You cannot expect entire generation to educate themselves properly, parts of it will get fucked due to self experimentations.
>>77371512
>Nobody know about these laws
Maybe, but then you are kinda fucked if you find out that that law exists and you already recognized kid as yours (whenever that was) and now you want to do DNA test.
>and again it's not forbiden until you have recognized the kid
But when does that happen and how?
>>77371815
Look man,
fine if you won't accept reality. I do. This back and forth is pointless, as you think a realistic solution is "strip women of the right to vote" and I don't think that's a possibility.
Do we need to interact anymore? No? Good
>>77366498
Is that Ben Wyatt from Parks and Rec? on the left side of little finger?
>>77370950
Yeah, no.
>>77370776
Chads still aren't marrying and having children. Casual sex is as bad as anime and faggotry in the long term. They just masturbate using women but the societal damage is exactly the same
>>77370510
life is a competition anon, up to you to prove yourself the better man, that being said, you fucked up by not asking her the following before committing 100% to the relationship:
how many guys have you fucked?
how many serious relationships have you had?
have you ever cheated?
have you ever been the other woman?
if any of those answers are not to your liking cut your loses and move on.
>>77370797
Is that book good? Just got it recently.
Loved Life at the Bottom. Dalrymple is based.
>>77371918
>But when does that happen and how?
You must go to the town hall, you can take some month for that
>>77371932
Except you have yet to bring an argument why it's not a realistic solution, especially given it's the norm in most of the world and will be inevitable one way or another and the only question really is whether it happens before a societal breakdown.
>>77371977
You should not that this doesn't distinguish between "non-marital" and "pre-marital"
As such, if a woman has no partners, get's married, then divorced and then has more partners, it is counted as a "non marital" partner suggesting a lack or marital stability
>>77368212
>I'm smarter than 99% of women
Kek, this board sometimes I swear.
>>77371917
Biggest mistake boomers made was not Restricting the Internet heavily.
>>77372140
>the only question really is whether it happens before a societal breakdown.
I think we all know the answer to that.
It'll only happen afterwards.
>>77372130
Seems reasonable, still kinda autistic with the court shit, but reasonable
>>77370373
Do you realize that the idea of marrying for love has only been around for 60 years or so in our society?
>>77372140
Dude, we really can't stop interacting?
I don't feel like arguing this with you anymore, as your refusal to approach reality honestly is irritating.
Reply if you want, but it's no longer a question - we are done interacting.
>>77372225
This and interdiction of american cultural product
>>77372073
Yeah, this is my experience also. You get laid but it's mostly just the same bullshit over and over again. In the long run, it's not anywhere near as great as it seems even if you can bring girls back home with you on a regular basis.
There's nothing there to be had beyond casual hook ups and some mediocre sex. Even if you wanted a relationship, your own experiences show you that it's absolute madness to try and go for it and the risk involved is huge and none of the girls you tend to pick up would be anything like a woman you'd want as mother of your children. They're complete catastrophes.
>>77370831
Do you plan on getting married now?
I think that's probably hypocritical for you to want a Virgin women at this point maybe you should consider celibacy
Co-opt Islam and let it take over the West.
Lets be honest, there's no other way to destroy womens' rights or suffrage in this current political environment without attacking their cause with an even more 'oppressed' group in the liberal mind. Liberals throw LGBTSDFJDKFJ under the bus to protect Islam, so what's to say they won't do the same with muh oppressed womyns until it's too late? If that's what it takes to give white men a stake in society again then why aren't we trying to get our chips down early and work with the unchecked movement of Islam and move it in a direction favourable to us.
Day 600 soon, friends.
>>77365021
>http://www.breitbart.com/london/2014/12/04/the-sexodus-part-1-the-men-giving-up-on-women-and-checking-out-of-society/
where is something wrong with that site
>>77371977
This graph is actually made up. Go to each of the sources and you will see it's not real. I hate sluts but I hate disinformation more and that graph is genuine bull shit. I love how dumb this board is and that they believe anything someone posts that agrees with them.
>>77372366
introduction of american culture into France was one of the conditions negotiated by the CIA agent Jean Monet for France to receive the Marshall Plan monies.
>>77366092
MGTOW isnt a movement it's a life style
Get Baptized if not already.
Marry conservative Christian qt3.14
breed like rabbit.
>>77367935
Not the 1st amendment so much as an implied right arising out of privacy interests protected by 1, 4, 14 etc. The "penumbra" of the rights protected in the constitution. See Groswold v. Connecticut.
Yeah, it's bullshit. The court's do what they want... As long as it's progressive. See West Coast Hotel v Parrish (the switch in time).
>>77370050
>If babies come out if them and they go back to normal
>>77371552
You're the only one who gets it.
But sadly bringing arranged marriage to the US is as feasible as gassing the kikes and Feminists. Never gonna happen unless Islam.
this thread makes me want to get back with my ex. She might be a bit crazy and tried to get me to get rid of my guns but at least she's loyal
I want to have kids, but I don't want to raise them with a modern woman.
Wat do?
>>77372168
>Gets divorce
>implies lack of marital stability
There's quite a bit more research coming in recently with other things becoming public. Basically everything suggesting that grown dynamics and vetting methods do have good reasons afterall. Who'd thought.
>>77372240
One can always hope, no?
>>77372296
>I have no proper argument nor retort so I just make up stuff and cry.
You sure you're not a girl? You seem like a girl to me. I'll take this as your admission that I won our little discussion. Thanks!
>>77372689
Well, I'm glad you appreciate my candor at least
As this thread would have it, I'm a female sjw who refuses to entertain the totally real possibility of taking the vote from women.
>>77365021
>In France, we even have to pay for the kids a wife has through adulterous affairs."
>>77372823
>>77370814
Or fuck you mother. I don't know.
>>77372860
Not him but to group all women together and say that they shouldn't vote just because they don't vote how you want is pretty closeminded.
Seems like it'd be easier to just import a wife from some 3rd world country.
>B-BUT MUH LOVE
She'd love you about as much as any western whore.
>>77367019
>They are legal under court order.
Yes, but a court order is not given without consent from both parents AND approval from a judge. And with the new caps on paternity tests approved by your government, it means that even in the fucking rare instance where the mother agrees to a paternity test, it can still be blocked by a third party.
