Friend posted this on Facebook. What are the best counter arguments?
Gun violence has gone down 30% in America over same time period as Australia's ban
>>77332702
Ask him how many private mass shootings there were.
ask him about blacks
didn't a cafe get shot up by muslims a while ago in straya
>>77332702
9mm
>>77332702
list other countries with high gun ownership and low gun crime
compare the death toll from mass shootings in america to the death toll from shootings linked to crime
compare shootings in high-gun ownership states of america to low-gun ownership states of america
point out racial demographics involved in gun crime
blame them for taking the easy way out of solving public and social injustices by trying to solve the symptoms, instead of going after why people resort to crime or mass shooting
Ignore it and accept that Australia is based.
>crime only counts if committed using a gun
>>77332886
>3 deaths
And that includes the gunman senpai
>>77332911
>blame them for fixing the problem
gunfags truly and utterly in max damage control
>>77332943
>comparing a developed nation with 3rd world shitholes
wew senpai bad idea
>>77332702
Australia is like 95% White. Show gun control mixed with nonwhites.
If Steve Irwin had a gun he could have stopped that stingray.
>>77332943
To be fair, nobody is surprised if there's mass shooting in honduras
They're only talking about first world countries as far as I know.
Well, first world + australia
>>77332702
Firearms are prohibited in a prison :^)
>>77332702
1) They just change what they consider "mass" shootings. Ask if there has been no shootings whatsoever which is not true. Yet they banned guns from most of their people? And shootings still occur.
2) Rise in VIOLENT CRIMES. Just because less of them used guns because all they really need is a knife or stick to commit their crimes, doesn't equate to their people being safer. In fact, they are much less safe because criminals know they cannot defend themselves.
>>77332702
1. Ask about niggotry
2. Mention "french nightclubs"
3. Ask him why Australia has a meth problem when meth is banned under national and international law
>>77332702
Singapore has almost zero drug ODs.
Saudi Arabia has almost zero DUI.
There's a reason why we avoid outright bans in the US.
ausfags don't need guns because they can always just reach under their chair or in their shoe to grab a poisonous spider or snake or something to throw at whoever has a gun.
>>77332702
Tell him that Russia has strict gun control but homicide rate is roughly 2x of US. :^)
>>77332702
>seppos cunts thinking they know australian crime
>>77332943
Not even against guns but holy shit, who thought it'd be a good idea to fit a linear function into that mess.
Also having a bunch of third world shitholes in there doesn't really help make a point
>>77333062
>>77333097
Even if you ignored all countries above 20/100k homicides there would still not be a strong positive correlation
>>77332702
simple, THEY ARE A FUCKING ISLAND. so is japan. that makes it way easier to control things coming in.
>>77333021
We count mass shootings as 4 people shot they don't have to be killed.
>>77332702
Ask him to make a list of australian stabbings
>>77332702
The Holohoax (or simply Holocaust if you are talking to a normie)
If the jews were armed, ebil nazi Hitler couldn't have rounded them up so easily in concentration camps
>>77332702
Knife attacks? If people want to engage in an act of violence against someone their not going to refrain just because they don't have a gun obviously
>>77332702
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia
Seems like spree shooting happened past 2006?
>>77333037
Read harder tard, he wants the problems that cause the crime solved instead of just going after the tools used in it
>>77333062
>>77333097
>>77333240
>can't compare 3rd world to 1st world
why not? inner cities are practically 3rd world or worse, and are the source of almost all US gun crime.
>>77332702
We had a 14 year old terrorist walk into a police station, shoot an officer in the back of the head execution style, then have a shoot out outside with another.
>>77333333
Nice get!
Australians don't have social problems in their country, or as many.
>>77333333
i'm going to suck your dick
>>77333190
I can confirm this
>gunman storms uni lecture
>you cheeky cunt, not on my watch
>reach under my desk for my trusty stingway
>throw stringray at his heart
>dies instantly
>drown in pussy as the class hero
>repeat
>>77332702
My boss got shot the other day, it took 5 of us to talk the guy out of shooting while another security guard snuck up and King hit him, he could've easily killed us all
Boss is stable now but the blood loss have him a heart attack somehow
>>77333333
wao
>>77333333
of course this post gets this get
>>77333333
CHECKED
>>77333037
explain the high rates of gun crime in places like chicago or new york, where gun laws are incredibly strict
>>77332702
No words, just post this.
>>77333393
>other first world countries don't have major cities with elevated murder rates
>>77333333
Aren't our gun violence rates actually higher now than they were pre-ban?
Somebody tweet him this.
Russia's homocide rate was even bigger than the States.
In fact, Russia made owning firearms in self defense legal a few years ago.
Funny how Russia is moving forward when America is regressing.
>>77332702
What the fuck, I went to highschool with this guy, now he works at Huffpo
>>77333333
>tfw mai este un rumîn care dă GET-uri
viteză de zeu, flăcău!
>>77332702
try to compare that with Mexico instead
We never really had many guns in the first place besides a few low cal rifles and handguns.
We are a fucking island so its easy to control the importation of firearms. most crime uses knives machetes and shotguns now.
you can still legally buy handguns and rifles if you have a shooters license.
I have a 22 and a old revolver that was my grandads.
>>77332702
Here is a list of arguments against this logic
(It's blank)
>>77332702
Australia isn't the US.
And neither is France, but they somehow got double the body count last year despite stricter regulations.
In fact, stop comparing countries. The US has to find a reasonable compromise that reflects and answers the state of the US, not pretend that it is full of exactly the same demographics and cultures as another country.
>>77332702
Logan shooting of 2014, 3 dead
Hectorville siege of 2011, 3 dead 3 injured
Monash University shooting of 2002, 2 dead 5 injured
Not to mention all the other intentional mass homicides.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia
>this page was intentionally left blank
So it wasn't actually blank but you intentionally made it blank to validate your argument?
>>77333611
>used to be able to buy surplus slrs set to semiauto only
no fuck you nothing is fine nothing is fine at all
>>77332702
Australia is about the same size as Texas.
>>77332702
Ask him about regular shootings.
Specifically the "gangland killings" from a few years back.
Hint: They couldn't have happened because many of those guns were banned.
>>77333229
Come to western sydney dog I will kick ur fucking head in cunt
>>77333333
KEK will protect our guns. Thank you anon
>>77333097
Nobody's surprised if there's a mass shooting in fucking Detroit either.
It's got nothing to do with guns, and you fucking know it.
>>77333103
This. Everyone lauds gun related crime falling, while suicides, violent assaults and home invasions all rose immediately after.
And no one mentions the volume of surrendered firearms that were 'lost' or failed to be destroyed and ended up back in unregistered circulation.
>>77332702
Show them the fucking facts about how many americans own guns vs the percentage of that population who actually commit gun crimes.
Protip: it's like not even 1%
https://www.aei.org/publication/chart-of-the-day-more-guns-less-gun-violence-between-1993-and-2013/
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/oct/05/joe-scarborough/msnbcs-joe-scarborough-tiny-
fraction-crimes-commit/
http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/cnsnewscom-staff/more-guns-less-gun-violence-between-1993-and-2013
>>77333750
Have another
>>77333333
Repeating numbers confirm truth
>>77333350
But that's the thing. Banning guns didn't stop violence, but it did stop spree shootings.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia
>Spree/rampage shootings between 1986-1996 inclusive
11
>Spree/rampage shootings SINCE 1996
3
And all those three were fathers who murder/suicided their family. You can't stop that. But you can stop people unloading a semi automatic weapon in a school/nightclub/theatre etc by banning guns.
Banning guns didn't stop violence but ti did make it a lot harder to indiscriminately kill.
>>77333777
Oh my. Praise almighty KEK!
>>77333319
Well yeah, only 3 people were shot, and two of them were by the police.
>>77333333
witnessed
>>77333842
>>77333853
1. you are moving the goalposts now
2. Why does it matter what instrument was used, it shows that massacres have continued, just not with guns.
>>77333963
>>77332702
Australian gun laws definitely work goyim!
Good thing no evil kuffar had guns in that cafe, and only a glorious soldier of allah was able to bear arms TAKBIR
>>77333350
"40 people were killed today in a mass stabbing."
>>77333465
i duno about that cos i live in australia where no1 gets shot :)
>>77333382
>doing this many mental gymnastics
>>77333521
what other first world countries have major cities with large black populations sequestered in sub 3rd world conditions?
the chicago murder rate is 18.6 per 100,000, while nigeria's is 17.7.
overall the us has a murder rate of 4 per 100,000.
almost all us gun crime is happening in the inner city where there are a lot of poor black people
>>77334037
Something like that happened in China a while ago didn't it?
>>77334082
Yeah, and it was at a school where he targeted 5 year olds
>>77334006
>moving the goalposts
Look at OPs image. he says "mass shootings" he doens't say "mass deaths"
Go look at that wikipedia list. One bitch killed her 7 kids and a niece by stabbing them. Tell me how gun would've changed that situation.
Our ban of assault weapons was to stop MASS SHOOTINGS. Imagine if that Orlando bloke went into that ngihtclub with a machete. Would he have killed? sure, would he have killed 50 people? Absolutely not.
How much of a problem are assault rifle shootings anyway?
>>77334023
He literally only killed one person. He could've gone in armed with a pencil and done that.
>>77333853
>But you can stop people unloading a semi automatic weapon in a school/nightclub/theatre etc by banning guns.
You can also stop them by shooting them with your concealed carry weapon that you obtained legally as a responsible law-abiding citizen
>>77334152
It'd work in Australia but not in America
>>77334152
He went in with a bomb, retard. If he hadn't had a gun he would've just blown himself up and killed as many or more people. We only killed him beforehand because he was too fixated on his gun to think to detonate the vest
>absolutely not
Way to not use your fucking brain at all convict. The most successful terrorist attacks in this country have ALWAYS been with explosives.
>>77334202
Point is, that he could have killed everyone in that cafe if he wanted to and there would be another mass shooting despite the gun laws.
Literally the only thing that stopped that from being a mass shooting is he didn't quite feel like doing it.
Banning things and making them completely illegal does work though
>Rape
>Murder
>Drugs
>Underage drinking
>Drink driving
>Theft
>Burglary
>Arson
Just a short list of things that no longer happen in first world countries because they're illegal.
>>77334051
Well since you duno about it, they're very high, despite all the kinds of laws grabbers want being in place there
Hence it's not availability of guns that are the issue, its the people
>>77332702
He has no clue how many guns are in this country.
>>77334011
>total number of crimes going up
Wow, couldn't have anything to dow with population growth huh?
>Relative use of knives going up
>Relative
Wow, I guess it really is harder to get a gun then.
>>77334152
And?
Or does it only matter when there is a mass killing with a gun so you can exploit it to protect yourself from inanimate objects
>>77332702
> Paris attack
>>77332702
> We should strive to be that one country that jailed a guy for killing a home invader baby raper.
>>77334290
>The trend in assaults shows an average growth of five percent each year from 1995 to 2007, four times the annual growth of the Australian population in the same period.
>>77334290
"four times the annual population growth"
>>77333037
Yeah fixing a problem like tearing off your foot because of a bad toe. It's not your guns they're after but so that your children are afraid of them and the scary violence. Pussies generally don't rebel, and when they do you pray for a ghandi, shaming your masters for being mean to you.
Or you could prevent the whole thing from happening in the first place.
>>77334349
source?
>>77334265
first of all your wrong
second of all, what if we just made murder legal, then no one would even care about these shootings, and it would be less racist towards the blacks who all kill eachother
>>77334290
gun control laws didn't seem to make much of a dent
mass gun ownership is an effective means of stopping mass shootings
if 1 in 4 people had guns, then the odds are against you when it comes to killing a dozen or more people
Australia has a lot of gun violence for a country with only 24 million people
I posted this a few days with actual statistics, dates on murders and numbers murdered. But at the time, I forgot to save it since I didn't think the thread would be made again.
Either way, five minutes on google, and after 1997, there have been three mass gun murders in Australia not including Gang Violence and the three different terrorist attacks with guns.
Gun violence in Australia still exists. Mass Murders still happen. One of the worst ones in the last 10 years that is, only happened a few years ago (15 Dead).
Nothing has changed with the gun ban.
>>77332702
He must be a fan of The Simpsons.
>>77334409
http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2016/03/28/newcastle-home-intruder_n_9554548.html
>>77334109
ban assault knives
>>77332836
include a source you anectdotal mogoloid
>>77334445
Well, irrational gun grabbers have power now.
>>77333443
What? Where?
>>77334261
>despite the gun laws
Monis' weapon was a 50 year old pump action shotgun. A perfectly legal weapon.
>>77333333
They successfully invaded france and the french had plenty of arms.
>>77334445
You can look for it in the archive if you want to save it.
>>77334311
>inanimate object
Other than killing and destruction is there any other purpose to a gun?
>>77332702
Suggest how complicit and obedient Australians are to law enforcers compared to Americans. The convict mentality is strong. Australians boast about being anti-authority but we cower so quickly when push comes to shove.
>>77332702
So what about the UK then? It has similar gun laws to Australia and has had a mass shootings since the handgun ban. Prior to that there was Dunblane in 96 and the Hungerford Massacre in 87, there wasn't any mass shootings prior to those two. In fact the next highest mass murder incident prior to Hungerford was when some guy set fire to a night club. He killed more people than Hungerford and Dunblane combined from what I remember.
>>77334658
it's always worth mentioning to gun control advocates that spree shootings are a recent phenomena
>>77334532
Sawn-off shotguns are illegal.
The gun was never registered.
>>77334623
Sport, Hunting, Self-defense, Pest-control, Historical collection.
>>77334506
>"No one can give a good reason for anyone to be able to own a stainless steel knife. If you need to use knives, then you should only use plastic ones, and only after extensive background checks"
>>77334497
a few points
1. He hasn't been jailed, the case is ongoing
2. The defendant chased the deceased 400 meters down the street after he scared him away from his home, tackled him, and repeatedly punched him in the head until he basically died
not really sure how that fits the narrative you're trying to spin here
>>77334067
That's like 4 times your national average. Frankfurt and Berlin have that as well
>>77334445
But what about mass shootings. The mass gun murders involved men killing their families.
There was a mass shooting every year in the lead up to Port Arthur.
>>77332702
>liberals so fucking stupid they need to be told the page was left blank
Christ
>>77334752
>2
I though he broke his neck in the house, that's what the news was saying when it first happened, anyway.
>>77334600
nah
>>77334820
No it happened down the steet and his mate helped him beat the shit through him.
>>77332702
How many "X said this, how do I counter" are we going to see?Think for yourself you faggot.If you can't defend your own views then you should think more about them
>>77333357
9 in 10+ years, thats less than what happens in American in a year.Thats your big counter?
>>77334820
I wasn't satisfied with the article anon linked so I went and looked up some more recent stuff
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-10/benjamin-batterham-granted-bail-over-death-of-ricky-slater/7400448
So apparently it was the chokehold that basically made him pass out and basically die. The facts are still in dispute, though.
As someone with more than a passing interest in the law this case is actually really interesting to me, I'm curious to see how it ends up concluding.
>>77332702
For those saying gun rights cause violence, I made a list of Swiss mass shootings.
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>>77333240
It does when liberals attempt to argue guns are at fault, not people.
>>77332702
Except this libtard is wrong and didn't do basic research before his inane Facebook post
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia
>>77332702
australia has barely any niggers
just say those exact words my lad
>>77333333
>77333333
I see the halocost
>>77332702
you are 15.5 times as likely to die by firearm in straya as you are in the home of the yakuza
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1JN3QBpkC0
>>77333062
Large parts of the US are on the level of third world countries. Go to Detroit or Chicago.
>>77334753
Berlin's murder rate is 1.8, that's only double the German murder rate of 0.9. Berlin's murder rate is also 1/10 the murder rate of Chicago.
Berlin is 82% white European, and only 2% black.
Meanwhile Chicago is 31% white and 32% black.
>>77334755
>There was a mass shooting every year in the lead up to Port Arthur.
Wrong. And only three of the 1990s massacres had semi-automatic rifles.
>>77332702
Use this. Found it earlier today.
>>77333853
>But you can stop people unloading a semi automatic weapon in a school/nightclub/theatre etc by banning guns.
No, if someone is determined enough to go murder a bunch of people in a school or nightclub then they're determined to acquire their guns illegally.
>>77332702
ask him who would shoot a man before throwing him out of the airplane
>>77333333
Kek has spoken, the way is clear. The gun debate is now the holocaust debate. We might even get libs trying to downplay how bad it was.
Note light touchthat kek's chosen one has used — don't just state it as a bald assertion, but slowly shift the argument to be about the degree to which the jews being armed would have slowed or mitigated the holocaust.
Counter him a list of terrorist attacks in France. There's been two this week.
>>77335332
All those people in France must be alive since banning firearms worked so well.
>>77334420
The joke
>>77334152
Fertilizer killed more people in one go than any mass shooting. I think we should ban fertilizer.
>>77335008
>Libtards
>Facts
Dude, you should know by now you can only choose one.
>>77335091
$9.99 on Steam
>>77334420
Your head
>>77332702
Australia is an Island. the USA has a southern and a northern border. Australia doesn't have "gangs" like the USA does, nor do we have 20 million literal mystery men (+-discrepancy in how many illegal immigrants are estimated in the USA, between 10 and 30 mil) walking our streets. We simply don't have the crime rate to necessitate gun ownership as a deterrent. nor do we worship celebrities as Gods and turn mass-shooters and assassins into celebrities. We also don't have an equivalent of a 2nd amendment, nor do we have a concept like "free speech" in our constitution. We arent even legally allowed to gather in a group, technically. The reason gun control worked in Australia is because of Australians, not a law.
>>77333333
Witnessed
>>77333519
>no source
fuck
>>77334900
Dude said none happened since 1996. He was wrong. Get it together nigger
>>77334753
The urban area called Frankfurt Rhein-Main has a population of 2,221,910
the Chicago metropolitan area, often referred to as Chicagoland, has nearly 10 million people and is the third-largest in the U.S.
>>77335516
>We arent even legally allowed to gather in a group, technically
t. Hells Angels
>>77334623
>Other than killing and destruction is there any other purpose to a gun?
Uhh, yes. Guns are fun to shoot (not that you'd know), and are an important part of history. But since you'd say both of those are killing and destruction I'll point you to this.
Look at what you're asking.
>Other than killing and destruction is there any other purpose to a weapon?
Obviously not. Note that "killing and destruction" is absolutely legally and morally acceptable if it is in self-defense.
>>77332702
>>77335571
refute it
Simple counter argument : France
Toward the end of the year the new EU gun law will take effect, and most semi-auto rifles will be confiscated (even though grabbers couldn't produce a single statistic about any murder committed with those). After that's done, and there are still regular mass shootings done with illegal guns from ex-Yugo countries, I wonder what leftards will try to put the blame on? They'll probably push a ban for hunting guns as well, claiming they are used for mass shootings, lol. And after they've banned all guns throughout the EU, what are they going to blame? The white, cis, hetero male for systematic racism and islampohobia bla bla bla.
Meanwhile the EU is set to welcome ONE FUCKING BILLION rapefugees before 2020.
>>77335707
Just trying to cover all bases
>>77334512
can not into english
>>77332702
>What are the best counter arguments?
Posting a list of massacres in non gun free zones
>>77335683
mass shootings are commonly defined as 4 or more dead bodies, aren't they? So only one of your examples actually applies in the top part. Or is it just that 4 people are shot, not that they necessarily died?
>>77335780
pre sure mass is 3 or more
>>77334532
yeah nah pumps arent legal
>>77335780
4 or more people shot. Mass *shooting*, not mass murder.
>>77335707
>refute my sourceless graph
Nah
>>77335269
The last line is the clincher. Home run. It is the same trend throughout time where guns are banned or confiscated. Of course...you don't see a ban in knives, even though knife homicides eclipsed gun homicides. It was never about the guns...
>>77334600
>had plenty of arms.
Yeah they had a pair each and held them skyward as the German's advanced.
>>77335815
pump action rifles are legal.
>>77332702
Australian gun deaths were well on a downward trends before 1995. Weve never had a huge gun culture like america. Americas biggest gun problem is feral niggers and spics but cucks wont mention them. dey gud boys
>>77335707
>>77335765
pretty sure the source on that is AIC
>>77335257
Well to be honest I didn't check the statistics since I'm on the phone. Do you also have the rate for Frankfurt?
>>77335629
The us is also a bit bigger than Germany so that argument doesn't work in my opinion
>>77335631
the ban on public assembly goes for all citizens, but yeah wait until /pol/ hears about the fucking bikie laws in qld. joysus
>>77332702
The thing that separates Australia from the rest of the world is that it's a fucking island where smuggling a gun in is much more difficult than in the US or Europe.
A hypothetical gun grabbing scenario would only work if we confiscated all 300 million firearms and sealed the border tight, and then we would have tons of people defenseless from all the inner city knife carrying, knockout game playing dindus.
Europe's strict gun control didn't help at Charlie Hebdo or the Batackan because the libshits over there want open borders so any ISIS terrorist can easily bring in a few AK's from the Middle East.
If you want gun control you need the third worlders OUT and the borders sealed fucking shut, otherwise it accomplishes nothing. Then again, in this scenario you'd be removing the vast majority of criminals who cause gun crime so you wouldn't need gun control at this point.
The paradox of liberalism.
>>77334959
Zug massacre.
>>77332702
The murder rate has remained the same in Australia. So people just use different methods. The gun grab did nothing to curb crime and only made it's citizens more vulnerable to abuses and control by their government.
>>77335905
>The US is bigger than Germany
>Therefore the comparison of German city murder rates per 100,000 is not comparable to American city murder rates per 100,000
Are you being censored by your government right now? Are they making you come across as this stupid? I don't want to believe you're trying to talk about guns when you're this idiotic.
>>77335856
Also our homicide rate has stayed mostly the same. Just less gun related. Quality of people is the difference not guns
>>77335845
lucky we were talking about a completely different thing then otherwise id feel really dumb
>>77334600
You couldn't be more wrong. The French leftist government of the time passed a massive gun ban in 1939. Since most guns were registered, the gendarmerie went to people's house to confiscate their guns. This was supposedly to prevent uprising from the "far right". The result was that finding guns and ammo was extremely difficult for the resistance.
>>77332702
>>77336003
>implying
>>77332702
SHALL
>>77333037
>that time some guy ran up to Lil Johhny holding a screw driver and hugged him
Only in Australia
>>77336085
>what are puckle guns
>what are multishot revolvers
>what was artillery
>>77333333
A gypsy doesn't deserve such a get.
>>77332702
He forgot the one where the mentally ill muslim went and shot up that cafe with his legally obtained guns.
for those saying islam is a religion of peace, I made a list of christian terrorist attacks since 1996
>>77336009
Well I thought your argument was
>Since Chicago is bigger than Frankfurt it skews the crime statistics more
If that wasn't your point, please clear it up for me since I'm not getting it
>>77332943>>77333062
The chart proves homicide rates has to do with poverty, not guns
>>77334202
So when are you guys going to ban pencils?
>>77337053
If that was the only factor, the us would have to be a third world country to justify its murder rate
>>77333333
>>77332702
He's baiting you fucks. Ignore him.
>>77332702
Let him know that compared to the total number of gun homicides, the number of people that are killed in mass shootings every year is so small that it's statistically insignificant.
>>77336850
Are you only counting Australia, is that why Brevik IRA and all the abortion clinic attacks are omitted?
>>77336085
>what is Gatling gun
>>77332702
Using an island that's geographically isolated from the rest of the world as proof gun laws work. It takes like 10 hours by plane from any other relevant country to reach Australia. Liberals would possibly have more of a leg to stand on if they were in favor of the wall, but instead they oppose it, so yeah guns will forever be crossing over the border.
>>77332702
There isn't, you deluded cunts. It worked for us but it's not an argument to say it will work for Americans. We don't have land borders. We don't have niggers. Stfu about this circlecocksuck holy shit
>>77337756
i nominate this guy to inform the mothers of mass victim shootings about their "statistically insignificant" losses
>>77332702
Is he fucking retarded???
>>77335640
>>77333750
Literally no change, a pattern of decline can be seen from 88 till 04. Gun control didn't affect it at all.
>>77333609
>3d printed guns will be commonplace within the decade
>The download rates for the schematics were highest in countries with the strictest gun control laws
Explain this shit, libcucks. How is gun control going to work when getting a gun illegally will more or less be trivial within the decade?
>>77332702
>1 post by this ID
>>77333069
Too soon.
>>77332911
Then I easily counter with the low gun deaths in every other first world nation that have gun control laws. Honestly though, why the fuck is Luxembourg such an outlier? No guns and yet more people killed when proportionally compared to the U.S.
>>77338609
speak english you spanish fuck
>>77332702
Switzerland.
>>77339681
My bad, meant this post >>77333609
>>77339681
what the fuck is wrong with you?
>>77339855
kek
I'm a merican in the south, that's what's wrong
>>77339569
>gun deaths
This a horrible stat to use since it includes suicides, which make up about 2/3s of it every year.
"Mass shootings" aren't the only metric of violence.
>>77333777
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>>77339916
True, but that opens up the possibility that suicide rates are lower in countries with gun control. This would be due to guns taking more time or being more difficult to acquire and thus people would have to resort to less effective means of killing themselves, which results in less people dying by suicide overall since 90% of failed suicide attempts never lead to a second attempt. I'd have to look at suicide rates of those countries though and I'm too lazy for that shit right now.
>>77340237
>but that opens up the possibility that suicide rates are lower in countries with gun control.
Nope.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate
17. Japan
47. France
50. US
Also guns aren't the number one way people kill themselves.
>>77333704
The state of Queensland is bigger than Texas ya fat cuntbubble.
>>77333021
So? I originally thought a mass shooting was a sporadic event where someone with political/religious/personal opinion would shoot up a highly populated area, until I read a list of these hundreds of "mass shootings" that have happened in America these past 6 months, turns out by liberal definition a mass shooting is a gang related drive by in Chicago killing one person and injuring 3 others ever day.
>>77337053
That's an unfounded myth. A much better cause would be single parent households. This chart shows that there is nearly a correlation between homicide and births to unwed mothers. If we're willing to reason that many unwed mothers actually do have a partner, but are not formally married, it explains the slight lack of correlation.
It also explains a lot about race: More than 70% of all African Americans were born out of wedlock. Caucasians, meanwhile, only see 30% born out of wedlock.
>>77333063
95% white
you haven't been here have you
>>77332702
He could have killed more people by chaining the doors shut and setting the building on fire. Really wish he had, i wonder how these liberal fucks would have tried to deflect attention from Islam if a gun wasn't involved.
>>77340914
Also, (((1 post by this ID)))
>>77340502
54. Austria
58. Sweden
59. Ireland
63. Australia
70. Canada
77. Germany
81. Norway
82. Denmark
105. UK
Yes. In the same way that Luxembourg is an anomaly in gun ownership vs total gun deaths among first world countries + australia, so to are France and Japan anomalies in gun ownership vs suicide rate among first world countries + australia. Japan's insane suicide rate can actually be explained by it's culture where people are ostracized for failure and literally work themselves to death.
Eh, I have no retort to that statistic. I'm curious if guns are the most effective suicide choice though.
>>77333842
>firearm homicide still spikes higher than before the ban
>BUT ITS A GUN FREE COUNTRY HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN WTFFFFDAAKLEJGaLKEAWV
>>77341080
Also kek at most of the low suicide rate countries being Muslim. Islam stops suicides m80s!!!
>>77334420
In one end and out the other
>>77333417
We've got problems but for the majority of us the old shootin iron isnt available as a solution.
The crimnals with handguns seem to focus on shootin each other (gang violence and assassinations etc.) Not Orlando style mass killings. the guns are rare, to rare to use in a carjacking or even servo robbery.
even that Iranian fyckwit at the cafe only had a pump action shotty.
people say we are cucked because of our gun laws but at least I can go to the shops with my kids or get in an argument
on the highway and not have to wonder if I will be shot for it...
>>77332702
Switzerland
Everbody has a gun.
No mass shootings.
What they DON'T have is niggers.
Argument over.
>>77332702
who was monash university shooting
who was hectorville massacre
who was logan massacre
It happens here just the media doesn't shill it because it goes against the 'GUN BAN WORKS' narrative
>>77341080
>list those countries like it means something
Anon you lost the suicide argument.
2. South Korea
4. Lithuania
16. Hungary
23. Ukraine
24. Poland
33. Finland
34. Belgium
35. Iceland
42. Czech Republic
>I'm curious if guns are the most effective suicide choice though.
They're not. Many people fuck up and shot their fucking faces off and still live for a bit before bleeding to death.
>>77333655
Okay so we've had about three multiple shootings since martin Bryant set the record (recently broken).
and this is comparable to America how
fucking leaf
burn
>>77341485
>83,000 Africans living in Switzerland
>Don't have niggers
You sir, are wrong.
>>77333704
you are dumb
>>77333037
>ban guns
>Homicide rate doesn't go down at all
>Home invasions and robberies go up for a bit
What problem did he solve, exactly?
How many of you agree with me that they should have expelled every nigger to West Africa after the Civil War?
>>77339890
healthy bants is always fun.
>>77341626
>Half of countries listed aren't 1st world
Alright, I admit the correlation is weak
They still die tho as a result of shooting the gun at themselves. What I mean is do guns result in death more consistently than other forms of suicide, not do guns result in clean deaths.
>>77341962
Got that right
>>77334900
>thats less than what happens in American in a year
And America's population is 13 times bigger than australia's, so the rate is about the same.
>>77334006
Mass Shootings.
Yes killing in Australia has not stopped.
But the whole "shoot up the whole shopping centre/cafe/school" thing doesn't happen here. Because we don't sell AR15 type weapons at our supermarkets.
even stupid mussie brainwashed kids can only stab or shoot one copper each.
Angry dads do stabs or drive car into water if they need to teach the wife a lesson about custody.
But we are not talking about these
we are talking about
Mass Shootings
>>77342214
>AR15 type weapons
Parroting retard. You are aware, of course, that it wasn't an AR15 used in Orlando, right?
Also, """"glocks""""" do not have """"clips"""""
>>77341764
>blacks are 1% of Switzerland's population
>blacks are 13% of U.S. population
>thinking I haven't made my point
No, you sir, are wrong.
>>77332702
Wikipedia lists four Australian mass shootings since 1996. According to FBI stats, America has had 90 mass shootings since 1966, wice the timespan. And Australia has one/tenth the US's population.
So adjusting per capita and per timeframe, Straya's mass shooting frequency actually exceeds ours.
>>77332702
"How many mass shootings since 1996?"
Zero.
"How many BEFORE 1996?"
Zero.
You cannot base government policy on one freak event.
>>77341982
>What I mean is do guns result in death more consistently than other forms of suicide
I guess but that answer doesn't really mean anything. If someone wants to kill themselves they're going to do it with whatever they have around. I mean are you really going to say knives have a lower chance to kill you in a suicide because so many attention whores use it to cut their wrist to get attention?
>>77335458
Actually burgerwit, its actually quite hard to buy Ammonium Nitrate in Australia (if you aren't a farmer) cos we also don't want a McVeigh job done here either.
Ban Assault knives.
yes, flick knives and butterfly knives (ie those designed to be easily concealable and for use in hand to hand combat) are also restricted...
>>77342349
However, you argued that they "DON'T have niggers." But they do have niggers, hence your original argument is wrong, that they don't have niggers. The population difference vs shooting occurrences argument, that's a different story
Criminals have no problem getting guns in our country because here's the thing: CRIMINALS DON'T FOLLOW GUN CONTROL LAWS.
Not only that there has been a long term decline in violence since the 70s.
At this point you might as well fucking say gun control caused global warming because god knows there is a correlation there.
We're the same country who is prosecuting a man for murder for bashing a home invader in his daughter's room, a convicted sex offender/
http://www.baka.com.au/nsw/newcastle-murderaccused-ben-batterham-granted-bail-20160510-goqgkb.html
Not only that the vast majority of LEGAL gun owners don't use their gun to commit a crime.
Why is it wrong in one case to blame the majority for the minority's actions and right another?
>>77339569
Sample size... Luxembourgh is so small that if they have 3 gun deaths annually, the per capita statistic will skyrocket.
>>77335580
Your definition clearly states four killed by gunshots.
pretty sure we only had three-at-a-timers here...
>>77335672
Absolute load of shit
>>77340828
All that shows is that in poor areas both illegitemate children and homicides rise in correlation. If you want to imply that one leads to the other, you need more evidence.
