Well, it's finally happening /pol/
US 10 yr Treasury bonds yields the lowest ever, and German bonds yields declines below zero for the first time in history on the back of slow global growth and the possible Brexit.
Prepare your anus for the bubble to burst, lads.
What do you predict will happen once it bursts??
>>77321591
What always happens. The market goes back to what it actually should be valued at and tons of normies lose their retirements.
>>77321336
-.008
you buy one and owe money?
and this is the math that runs a country?
Isn't it possible that low T-bond yields and low interest rates are a new equilibrium/market clearing level, rather than a temporary thing?
>>77321784
Thats apparently what you get for secure monies
t. Shlomo Shekelsteingoldberg
>>77321891
Sure, but that would mean that we're stuck at close to zero growth forever.
Oh wait.
>>77321998
There is no sign of interest rates ever going up. However, what governments should have been working on is about a 5% inflation rate. 2 is too low for normal economic development. 5 % isn't unhealthy for an economy. Trouble is, if we have to inflate out of this economic stagnation, we could have runaway inflation, which will lead inevitably lead to higher interest rates.
>>77322240
Its the rich boomers and merchants who whine about moderate inflation, therefore why we have this ridiculous obsession with near 0 inflation
But the whole system is f'ed now with so many distortions and based a lot on speculative assets and futures,the whole thing is a house of cards made near a cliffface with a strong breeze blowing
>>77321336
Low treasury yields are not indicative of a bubble about to burst as a general rule of thumb. As a bubble bursts, you will see them fall as people gt out of riskier investments and get into the safe investments (UST) thereby increasing demand (and lowering yields). That said, we are probably 6 months - 2 years out from another recession. Last time it was mortgages, this time it will be subprime auto loans. I would say student loans are at risk, but because they are federally backed there will be no violent burst.
>>77321784
>>77321954
No, that's rlative to UST. It doesn't have a negative ROI.
>>77321336
But Japan's debt-GDP ratio is 200+%.
Then again I am aspie so idk
>>77321336
nigga it's all about those 20 yr treasury bonds
>>77322934
Japan is always a weird case. So, they've been in deflation since the 90s when they tried a QE program which had catastrophic results. Because deflation prioritizes saving (an object will have a lower price tomorrow than today as opposed to usual where the opposite is true), you have less spending (spending of course being the exact thing that would pull you out of deflation).
Money is a social construct.
>>77322747
When you say student loans are federally backed, do you mean federally enforced?
>>77323221
>>77323205
So they're essentially fucking themselves by trying to unfuck themselves, but changing it up would fuck them hard in the present?
>>77323662
precisely
>>77321891
It isn't. No real investor would accept losing money to inflation. This is central bank manipulation to the extreme to lower yields and making it easier on governments to reissue debt. The yield should be much higher to match the risk.
>>77323227
I meant that many of them are federally backed (ie. the government pays them if the student can't, but the student then owes the government), so it's as if you lent the amount of money to the government. Basically, there is no risk for the lender, they get paid by either you or the government. If you default on them the government pays them, so there is no issue like there was with mortgages.
There are some loans that are not federally backed, but the fact that they are enforced (as you mentioned) means that you can't default on them (or you can, but you can't discharge the debt or anything) and if you decide not to pay, they garnish your wages, making them considerably safer than something like mortgages.
>>77323662
Kind of. The issue is that they fucked themselves by effectively stepping right inside the event horizon of a black hole. We have no idea how to get out.
That's keynesianism for you.
The developed countries can go longer without feeling it's effects, especially burgland because the whole world eats out of it's hand, but reality comes.
>>77321336
Why did you think Soros just moved his assets into gold?
This is going to go down and there is no stopping it. The only thing you can do is get out of the way.
>>77325656
>>77325279
Kek. The sheer fact that "everyone eats out of [our] hand" means that your 'reality' won't hit. The USD being the world's reserve currency and the US Treasury being the "risk free" asset upon which all other assets are priced according to risk guarantee this. There is no impending 'reality', the world isn't fair. You're just unlucky enough to have been born in a really shitty country.
>>77323221
I can't understand what you said because language is a social construct
>>77323662
>but changing it up would fuck them hard in the present?
This shit is kinda like getting fucked in the ass but you don't want to get fucked in the ass so you constantly scream stop and tell them to slow down. But that way they never achieve orgasm so they will just fucking you.
What they should do is bite the pillow and let the market (the dick) correct itself (have a blow out). But now they have been fucked for so long that they are really sore so if they do that now its going to be even more painful.
Get it?
>>77325779
>mfw this is what americans actually believe
>>77321336
How can you guys be behind India in treasury bond yields?
The bubble already burst.
It is just not reflating.
Come at me.
>>77326335
Oh, I didn't realize that you studied finance in college and now work in the field? Where did you go and what bank/firm do you work for? I bet you're just as financially illiterate as any given Bernie Sanders supporter.
>>77326043
> What they should do is bite the pillow and let the market (the dick) correct itself (have a blow out).
Yeah... that's not how deflation works.
>>77326471
because whites are inferior
>>77321763
The only time in life where it's good to be poor/broke.
>>77326669
Being born in the USA does not imply you are well off because it is not a shitty country. It may be even worse considering how terribly unbalanced and unequal your society is.
>>77326669
>he paid the jew to study usury and expect them to teach him the truth about their jewry and usury
>mfw
>>77321336
>bonds yields
>bubble to burst,
confirmed retard.
>>77321336
PEPPER YOUR ANGUS
>>77326471
>High bond yields=less secure investment
>>77321336
STOP NIGGERS WE HAVE A FUCKING SHOOTING ON OUR HANDS AGAIN GET IN HERE NOT SURE IF SHOOTER AT LARGE
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>>77327408
hmm, makes sense. Thank you upside down Poland.
>>77321763
>All my retirement savings and other savings are stashed in gold and bitcoins
Come at me, financial crisis.
>>77327872
>bitcoins
have fun with your erasable money
>>77322240
Stop falling for your textbook fucking memes. Low inflation is good in all ways. You've been brainwashed by economists on crack.
>>77325779
Yeah, 1929, 2001, 2008 send their regards.
>>77321336
It is not bursting.
We set up the Eurozone, so we do not have to pay any interest for years to come. Our strategy is to get our debt below 50% of GDP until 2019 and then below 35% by 2025.
>>77327911
>erasable
Nice meme.
Also, I'm cashing out on bitcoins soon when the current price surge slows down and reinvesting it in silver.
>>77328074
>Our strategy is to get our debt below 50% of GDP until 2019 and then below 35% by 2025.
So you're expecting immigration to pay for itself?
ITT: people who have no clue how yields or interest rates work
>>77327872
>gold
I hope you are just hedged
>>77328162
>So you're expecting immigration to pay for itself?
We would currently have massive budget surpluses without the illegals - we spend this surplus money on them.
LOWER YIELDS does not indicate economy collapse
>>77328074
Sounds good, just buy free housing/healthcare/college/prison/condoms/food for 250,000 more refugees per month, and that goal will be reached!
>>77328184
>ITT: people who have no clue how yields or interest rates work
tell us then. I think the current German bund yield curve is absolutely ridiculous.
the lower interest rates on bonds THE MORE money you make with them
>>77328162
Immigrants have a positive boost to the economy and put in more than they take out.
https://www.oecd.org/migration/OECD%20Migration%20Policy%20Debates%20Numero%202.pdf
>>77328253
Only physical gold.
>>77328349
>Sounds good, just buy free housing/healthcare/college/prison/condoms/food for 250,000 more refugees per month, and that goal will be reached!
We are already doing that.
>>77328351
Im afraid I dont check the german curve, how is it looking?
>>77328370
I hope you bought at around 1000
>>77327064
> implying I didn't go to school on scholarship
> implying I'm not making mountains of money by working for an investment bank
Ok, you do you. That said, you're clearly a fucking idiot.
>>77328069
Yeah... so that's not 'reality' catching up to the US, those are examples of economic downturns. The economy is cyclical, plus you forgot something like another 15-30 downturns in US history. Everyone has them, they're a fact of life and in no way indicate the demise of a country. If your mom didn't have the zika virus when she was pregnant with you, you'd probably know that.
>>77321336
In the upcoming 20 years you should invest in the US treasury
>>77328362
>Immigrants have a positive boost to the economy and put in more than they take out.
t. George Soros
>>77328505
Enjoy your future
>>77328554
You would lose money from this because of inflation
>>77327058
>>Muh uneqwaliters
Literally all of the people who are considered 'poor' here have at least some place to go, have
a TV, a Car, and a meal on their table every day.
If you're any worse off, then you're doing something wrong. The homeless for example
tend to have some sort of major mental malfunction going on with them that would
cause their situation. Surely, there is the occasional person who falls to that level because of circumstances, but even the black
people tend to get out of it just fine.
>>77328285
I don't think that's actually true. I think that because illegals don't have social security numbers, they aren't eligible for welfare and such, but they do pay taxes (they use a tax identification number or something like that, they don't need a ss#). I mean, we do have plenty of them in our jails, so there's money going towards them. That said, I am really against illegal immigration (and also against accepting refugees, frankly, it's just not our problem and we don't owe them shit).
>>77328618
Soros is not an investor, HES A SPECULATOR. anything soros does should not be in consideration of an economy
Jesus fucking christ I just bought 10k worth of the Vanguard S&P 500 index fund (VOO).
Did I literally buy in at the peak of the bubble?
>>77328370
> play it safe, buy gold
Way to pick one of the least predictable assets in the market.
>>77328618
> enjoy your future
Kek, sounds more like your present you cuck. We probably won't have to actually deal with any of the refugees.
>>77328489
I began purchasing gold at $1300, right around January 2014. Only bought 1 oz. Since then I have invested my savings in gold twice, once every January 2nd.
2015 I bought an additional oz. (I was a student at the time)
2016 I bought 10 oz at $1060/oz.
So yeah, most of it comes from the $1000 point.
>>77328840
>least predictable
in 1950, 1 oz of gold could buy you a really nice suit. in 2016, it buys you a really nice suit.
>>77328688
Too bad the guy you're responding to is retarded. But yeah, you're right. Soros makes moves in an attempt to move the market and capitalize on this move he expected. This isn't even that, though, it's basically just opinion.
>>77328717
Who knows, I think we are heading towards a recession within 6-24 months, though. If shit begins to look bad, try to buy a fund made up of US Treasuries.
The whole damn system is flawed.
>>77328840
Can you give me some advice ib bro?
I am young (25), and investing through an online brokerage account.
I have been dumped in 20k each of the last two years and plan to keep saving at this rate.
My mix is 66stocks/33bonds. I can rebalance almost for free, I am so worried that a market correction is coming, should I rebalance it to be more safe soon, then get more aggressive again after the market bottoms out?
Im worried another 2008 is coming and I lose 30% of my shit I have saved.
>>77329051
>another 2008 is coming
It's gonna be way worse than 2008, lel
>>77328688
>Soros is not an investor, HES A SPECULATOR.
Well i guess he is speculating in phsyical gold then.
>anything soros does should not be in consideration of an economy
Yeah ofc, i am sure his little involvement in Ukraine didn't affect their economy at all.
>>77329098
What makes you say that?
>>77328362
LoL
>>77329191
We printed our way out of 2008
>>77329191
Because the 2008 was caused by the government fiddling the economy and was mitigated by more fiddling, the mitigation stops the fall and props the bubble fuller and higher, now the fall will be from a greater height and so will the damage.
>>77329191
>What makes you say that?
Maybe the fact that the problem was fixed by just stacking 9 trillion new debt on the existing 9 trillion debt that you all ready had.
>>77329263
How did printing lots of money drive up asset prices to such a great extent?
I thought the primary driver of values of stocks was the firms fundamentals, thinks like profitability, market outlook, etc etc.
>>77329263
>We printed our way out of 2008
borrowed*
much better
>>77324957
I would like to see them make a dead man pay! We'll get the last laugh one way or another.
>>77329132
You have to understand, by the time you hear "soros invested in gold" in the news, its too fucking late for you. Whats gonna happen is, everyone sees soros buying gold, OH LOOK IF I BUY GOLD ILL BE RICH LIKE SOROS, everyone buys gold, gold prices are high, all of a sudden soros sells all his gold at the top price, leaving everyone elses gold worthless
>>77329313
Credit default swaps were invented in the private sector and shadow banking system. The stimulus ended in 2010 and since then it has only been fed policy.
>>77329330
government debt didn't cause the last recession. Its not what is going to cause this on either.
>>77329191
I"m not an investor or an economist or anything but I see a few signs. Predicting the economy is like predicting the fucking weather. Storm clouds on the horizon could mean nothing but
>Homes are really valuable, but it doesn't seem to make sense given the low rate of marriage. Same value during 2008 in fact
>Little job creation - Usually means a recession
>Stocks overvalued, S&P high as all hell, but why? Seems like when stocks are high like this a recession follows
>Savings are low, usually means recession
>>77329584
>implying i didn't get ready for this years ago
topkek leafbro
>>77329613
>government debt didn't cause the last recession. Its not what is going to cause this on either.
In your opinion, what will cause it?
>>77329624
Interesting points, I particularly like the one about real estate prices.
And every since that shitty jobs report 2 weeks ago stocks have been losing every day. Feels like it could go off the cliff any day now.
>>77329750
What are you talking about? so you bought gold a yeae ago???
>>77329191
Eight years of King Nig and we've only recovered from 2008 on paper.
Our unemployment rate didn't normalize from people getting their jobs back, they were forced to take shitty work or stop working entirely.
People have no confidence in the effectiveness of our politics, no trust in our banks, and they know we're only limping along with the weight of the world on our back.
Europe is even worse off than us and the Brexit will tip the dominoes that end the EU (good riddance, but painful in the short-term). Japan is as stagnant as they've been for the last twenty years. The Chinese are looking over the edge of their own cliff and trying to convince themselves gravity doesn't exist. Russia is suffering from our sanctions and oil boom, the Middle East is collapsing in slow motion.
The entire system is a house of cards glued together and left out in a thunderstorm.
I'd bet anything the (((powers that be))) are using all of their might to bind it together until November.
We can only pray that the pendulum swings.
>>77329822
I don't know what to do, honestly. I thought about buying gold but I have zero experience or knowledge in commodities. It also feels like it's too late to jump on the Gold Wagon.
No idea, family. I have money to invest but I'm too hesitant.
>>77330009
economic collapse within 8-12 months i say, and you can greatly profit from that?
>>77329914
no, years ago.
>>77329613
>government debt didn't cause the last recession.
That wasn't his point either.
The US Government under the Bush Administration had a vision of housing low income families / creating a housing bubble to stimulate the economy. Either one depending on who you trust, Bush or Krugman.
Through government-sponsored mortgage enterprise (Freddie mac and Fannie Mae), the government enabled banks to give subprime mortgage loans to low-income families. The problem is that once they stopped financing the loans, and the US still had an excess inventory of houses, the real estate market fell, and the low-income families could not refinance their loans, and had no possible way of paying it back.
Because this massive private debt was sold to banks as securities around the world, the real estate bubble hit the global very hard.
>>77329750
Maybe I was too bold.
Before a recession it is impossible to predict what will cause it. You can guess but you are no more likely to be correct than anyone else. They seem to be different every time (oil shock in the 70s, fed induced in the 80s, tech bubble early 00s, mortgage burst of 2008)
Now, government debt is usually viewed as the safest and most secure thing in an economy. If you look at a graph of US Bond prices, they barely flinch during a recession or stock market correction. If US, Canadian, Swedish etc. government debt is no longer secure, I think the world is in a nuclear holocaust or something and recession is the least of our worry.
That being said debt can be a long term problem for growth and ability of an economy to function healthily and operate, maybe not to cause a recession tho per se.
This guy has some good reasons
>>77329624
>>77330108
Dont jump into gold if you dont know what you re doing. price might go down dramatically and unless you have trading expirience you will sell at a loss
>>77328979
> in 1950, 1 oz of gold could buy you a really nice suit. in 2016, it buys you a really nice suit.
Totally meaningless statement. Commodities in particular are unpredictable, and this includes gold. When looking at potential investments, you want to predict what kind of return you can expect. With gold this is highly variable in relation to other securities.
>>77329051
So, I don't have access to insider information (just a disclosure), but it is my opinion that a recession is coming soon. I've said 6-24 months, but I think it'll be on the shorter end of that range. Therefore I'd suggest a move to a more bond-heavy (particularly UST) portfolio. I think a recession is coming for the following reasons: the economy is cyclical and recessions usually happen every 4-6 years (we're close to 8 years now), world factors (economies in China, Japan, and several European countries are slowed a bit and the European Union might be in some shit with the UK setting a trend of leaving), and the seemingly exponential rise in subprime auto loans being given out. I think that subprime autos will be the bubble that'll hurt us. I'd recommend investing predominantly in UST, because they may give you a relatively low return, but 1) you'll benefit from the "flight to quality" as investors rush to the UST as it's a safe investment, and 2) you won't lose out like you might with equities.
So, I'm not a trader, so I follow the market less than I did in college when I worked for a fixed income fund, but I do keep up with it some. Best of luck.
>>77329263
Not really, the government loaned the finance and auto industries money, which they then paid back.
>>77329313
The government fiddling argument is true to a degree. I would say the government creating an environment where lenders would be more likely to lend to subprime borrowers was 1/3 causes for 2008. However, we aren't falling from any greater height.
>>77330132
At what price if you don't me asking?
I gambled on double leveraged silver and lets just say lost lots of money
>>77330130
>and you can greatly profit from that?
Not in wealth, but in character.
>>77330108
Maybe a us bond etf like vanguard https://personal.vanguard.com/us/funds/snapshot?FundId=0928&FundIntExt=INT
seems pretty damn safe. did not even flinch in 2008.
That being said, Im still worried this could be another blip on the radar, then the s&p will keep growing at 8% for the next two years and we'll miss out on it.
>>77330271
This guy knows whats up, an actual investor.
I got rid of all my positions for cash because i expect 6-12 months before crash
>>77330271
>Totally meaningless statement.
No? The point of gold is that it historically retains its value. Yes it may vary relative to the dollar, but in the grand scheme of things, if you go back through the decades, and see how much you can get for 1 oz of gold, it's practically constant.
>>77330470
No it does not, we do not use a gold standard anymore, unless you are perma bullish on gold and got nerves of steel and are willing to wait while you want your investment go 30-50% in the red, then its fine, but most peope dont have the nerve for ot
>>77330560
sorry not want, see*
>>77330470
That's a good argument for buying gold, but piss poor one for pegging a currency to it.
>>77330407
Another thing that just occured to me is:
This seems incredibly self-fulfilling.
Everyone in economics seems to feel like a recession is coming. So what do they do? Start pulling out there money. And then the market crashes just like everyone thought. Even though the fundamentals of the economy haven't changed.
>>77330178
>Before a recession it is impossible to predict what will cause it.
The whole system is unsound and it just needs a trigger to set things in motion. It doesn't really matter what it is.
>>77330312
>At what price if you don't me asking?
low 2014. I can take the same coins and sell them back to the same dealer and even when you take premiums etc into account i still get more sek back then what i paid.
But i going to wait some more.
>>77330646
But in fact, most investors dont, they buy high and sell low, so they see a rally lets say this week ans think its gonna go on for months. Those are the people who lose money, the people who trade by reading business news
>>77330359
I really hope Trump isn't a plant
>>77328362
>signed kike lover Jean-Christophe Dumont and T. Liebig.
Those guys have been promoting mass immigration for many years, they even said it would be a good affair, before the real invasion began.
>>77330470
Seems like a shitty long term investment.
What its worth now it was in the 70s. Meanwhile the dow jones has more than quadrupled since then.
>>77330646
Everyone who trades is greedy including me, some people might try to catch on a stock rally before a crash, some might bet on a crash months before it happens, you cant predict the exact month of a crash, but you can try to profit on it if you think you got over 50% odds
>>77329574
Being dead is the only way to get out of paying student loans (that or some forms of permanent disabilities are the only ways student loans can be discharged). If the can't get you because you don't have any income, they'll go after your cosigners (generally your parents).
>>77330201
This, everyone hears "invest in gold if you think the US is going under," but that just isn't going to happen within our lifetimes. I remember that some conservatives made a killing selling gold to suckers in 2008 when Obama was elected, kek.
>>77330802
Gold is meant to be held during a crash, and sold during a rally, nothing more, long term you are right, its stupid
>>77330759
I have never heard a single reasonable argument for it.
If anyone was pulling his strings they'd have taken him out months ago.
>>77330742
So what you are saying is essentially that trying to "time" the market is retarded. No individual investor can predict it.
But if that is our philosophy, why are we all contemplating pulling out our money now?
Shouldn't we stick to our positions and our long term plan, not trying to time it?
>>77330470
No it doesn't. Gold, like just about any other commodity, is extremely volatile.
Almost half of trading is emotions, and how you handle under stress
>>77326043
Of course the swede would know about getting fucked in the ass.
>>77330802
>bonds
>shitty long term investment
Pick all of the above, I talked to my old high functioning autist math wizard high school teacher, said the right about of bonds in your portfolio should be 0%, and I agree
>>77330967
Because of emotions, people panic when they see a red % of down, lets say i thought a stock worth 30 today was gonna go up to 50 in a year, however, in two months i might panic because the stock went down to 15, however, after a year the stock did go up to 50, and if i didnt panic i could have made tons of money.
But people do panic, especially when you are thousands of dollars under
>>77330141
>Because this massive private debt was sold to banks as securities around the world, the real estate bubble hit the global very hard.
To expand on this, a large majority of debt is backed by real estate (more so than ever I believe but I can't remember the source for this). If home prices fall, the value of a loan decreases (why not default on your 100k house that you owe 200k on). Once the homeowners default the bank then has to try to sell the house leading to an increase in houses on the market and with that, a greater decrease in house prices. Couple this with fractional reserve lending and you see banks going under.
This is the reason QE was spent on keeping housing prices artificially high (by increasing demand for houses)
>>77328362
>Immigrants have a positive boost to the economy and put in more than they take out.
Not mudslimes or assorted apefricans.
>>77330967
>>77331138
Holding something long term is harder than you think, when you see an investment down thousands of dollars, you begin to feel like if you sold it now, even at a loss, you can prevent it from losing even more money.
>>77323221
4chan is 18+ kiddo.
When trading, knowing what people expect is essential, because you can trade against it
>>77321336
>Germany economy crashing
PREPARE YOUR ANGUS.
>>77331256
He's not wrong.
He's also not making any point or contributing any meaningful input to the discussion, but he's not wrong.
>>77327872
Gold is nearly just as volatile of an investment but you don't earn any interest. What's the fucking point?
>>77331138
>>77331232
For sure. I have only been in the market for 2 years which have been relatively rosey (hold total market etfs so have never lost much in a full day, and probably have like only 1 losing week the entire time). But right now is a major gutcheck. Deciding whether to change my position or stick to my guns.
Think you have inspired me to just stick with it and hold.
>>77331188
You're both correct. More immigrants will boost the economy in that they will buy things like food and electronics but other industries will suffer as a result of higher taxes as the immigrants strangle the government coffers with their gibs
>>77331408
If you have tons of investments, and buy gold, if the economy and stocks crash, your gold will go up, negating some of the loss incurred by your stocks, but thats the only reason i see to hold ti
>>77331416
My father who trades, is a PERMA bull, believing that no mattee what countries crash or even get nuked, large companies like mcdonalds and wallmart are always gonna be around. The problem is, how long are you willing to stick with it? 1-2 years ? 5-6 years?
The waiting time is the problem.
What are your positions?
>>77331416
What are you holding? Check all your holdings, how much did they crash during 2008, and how long did it take them to recover? thats a good start
>>77331416
in addition, during 2008 crash, did any of your holdings stop paying dividends? If they didn't its a good sign that the company is prepared for a crash
Check what the insiders are doing, are directors selling massive amounts of holdings? Sometimes they need the cash, but if multiple of them are selling, it can be a bad sign
>>77325656
What I don't get is why he announced it. Presumably this would help pump the gold market, but does that mean he'll dump it later or?
Ask yourself, if during a crash, you woke up to see all your holdings 20% down, would you be able to handle it? would you be able to wait out till the recovery? Is the stock likely to recover? (check data during 2008)
>>77332093
Yes, he will dump as soon as everyone sees the news and start buying thinking they will be rich like soros. Soros speculates, he makes huge bets on the market, he does not invest conservativly
So everything is gonna catch fire as I enter the jobmarket.
Fantastic.
>>77332093
When you see a large investor or multiple investors buying a lot of something, its already too late for you to join
Every trade soros does can cost him millions, but soros understands how people act in the market, he knows how people panic. Soros buying gold does not mean he knows the market will crash, he just knows that soon people will think it will, and he can profit
Soros is probably playing on volatility, he knows people are uncertain because of the elections, he knows panic will be high
>>77332212
Recessions come and go, but large companies wiill still be around, if the US gets nuked tomorrow, will mcdonalds still be around? Yes, recessions do not last forever
>>77332366
Soros is trying to start fires everywhere. Chaos and insecurity always leads to higher gold prices.
>>77332600
Yes, and he plays on people believing there will be fires. By the time the fire starts, its too late to profit. Soros is playing on expectations
>>77332600
I have overwhelming urges to peel the skin off his face, am I alone?
Following what soros does is financial suicide, soros is not always right, soros can lots ten of millions of dollars on a fire that he thinks will stat, doesnt mean it will
>>77326043
Where do the black and arab immigrants fit into this?
Soros can spend half his money on something, doesnt mean it will pay off and since you know less than soros, following his trades is stupid
>>77327911
and untaxable.
and borderless
and uncontrolled by govts
and in a majority white males possession
>>77332994
But not a good safeguard of money, your key gets erased you are fucked. Is it rare? yes but it happens
>>77332849
See >>77328618
Immigration basically has the same result as war, more debt for the people.
And immigration is a obvious by-product of war.
>>77332714
There are fires and by the time they start its to late for YOU to make profit, not for him.
>>77332723
Probably not.
>>77333095
why wouldn't you back up your key. are you not a white male or something?
>>77333095
>your key gets erased you are fucked
You mean that shit you can print out and keep on 5 different places or more?
>>77331133
He's right. Bonds are shit.
MUTUAL FUNDS, NIGGAS
>>77321336
>implying you can outplay the germanic jew
You don't even understand and i don't even bother to explain it to you
the brexit is not going to happen. the eu and the powerful western economies grow or stay the same, caues the powerful eastern asian economies to flourish and the sinosphere sees the same tech boom that japan did but with ai and ar tech, and we have a repeat of the 90s.
or the brexit does happen, and russia takes the tension into it's own hands.
