http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/06/13/narrative-fail-orlando-islamic-terrorist-use-ar-15/
Not that facts mean anything to gun grabbers.
What a laughable nation America is.
A man who has been investigated by the FBI could walk into a walmart and buy a military style assault weapon and ammunition. Hopefully Hillary can fix some of the laws that allow these senseless attacks to happen. Drumpf certainly won't, in fact he is politicizing this event by blaming Islam to fan the flames of xenophobia which has kept his pathetic campaign afloat.
The blood is on the hands of homophobic, racist, sexist, right wing christian bigots who have spewed hateful rhetoric for years, real Americans know this and they will make the right choice in November.
>>77228315
A FUCKING GYPSY
>>77228315
Who buys a $2000 assault rifle from Walmart?
Well at least he wasn't using the Maximum Terrorist AK. At least I'm still safe with that one.
>>77228315
It is because of Islam.
>>77228315
The man had no history of convictions and had not lost his constitutional and God given right to own arms.
FBI investigations are usually pretty DL and not public information
>>77228905
>not buying sub-autos, beer and diapers in the same shopping trip
Lol point and laugh at the faggot.
>you know it's proven that higher gun prevalence leads to a higher ratio of gun violence and there are a ton of ways for criminals to get guns without much paperwork or any wait periods or mental health checks. Maybe we should stop that?
>IT WASN'T AN AR-15 YOU FUCKING COMMUNIST STOP TRYING TO STEAL MAH GUNS
>>77229556
He filled out a 4437 and had a security license and CCW permit, the fbi investigations were not fruitful and were closed so if they showed up on the background check it's the FFL's fault for not denying the sale.
>>77229017
That's the spirit.
Maybe they need a little more discernment depending on the kind of investigation these days, and, ideally, temporarily, but that's the spirit.
>>77228315
>1 post by this ID
ID = 1 post
>>77229809
That has nothing to do with anything from that post.
Seriously, if all you care about is whether the gubment takes your guns why do you care about closing the gun show loophole or minimum wait times or mental health checks?
How do you make the leap from "I don't want the government to unconstitutionally steal my property" to "NO WE CAN'T HAVE ANY GUN CONTROL AT ALL MUH SLIPPERY SLOPE"
>>77229143
>tfw walmart sell guns but not beer
>>77229143
I can do all of that at Rural King or Gander Mountain. Walmart doesn't sell camo diapers.
>>77228136
interesting that in most shootings with an AR the rifle jams at some point and delays the attacker.
I guess this really proves that sig has some really good shit going on, might have to get one.
>>77230097
>gun show loophole
>>77230097
>gun law cake picture
Hmm, the Sig MCX is the only piston AR that interests me. Shame it isn't being sold outside of the US, and since that type of gun is going to be banned EU wide at the end of the year anyway...
>>77230445
>the undocumented sale of firearms to people without a background check of any kind is perfectly acceptable
>>77228782 >>77228905 >>77228952 >>77229017 >>77229898
I apologize for the gypsy.
He will be deported to France/Germoney/Sweden as soon as possible.
>>77228136
Ok. So it's basically an AR180, which is a direct product improvement to the AR15. As someone who's extensively used Stoner's babies for the past 15 years in and outside of armed conflict, I concur that this is an "AR type" weapon.
>>77228136
>http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/06/13/narrative-fail-orlando-islamic-terrorist-use-ar-15/
very autistic gunnerd article
>>77230722
Is it legal to kick the shit out of a gyp in Europe?
I had a little shit in Viet Nam try to pick my empty pocket (ha ha fucktard, like I'm going to keep shit in my pocket) but I didn't want to hurt him in public so I just set him aside while staring him down.
>>77228136
I'm just asking out of ignorance:
What difference does it make whether he was using an AR-15 or Sig Sauer? Does the SS require special permits compared to the AR-15?
>>77229556
>gun violence
Stop using this term, faggot. There is no correlation between violence and gun ownership. What you're saying is absolutely irrelevant.
>>77228136
>Sig MCX
>Made in Exeter NH
Makes me proud to be from New Hampshire. Though what interests me more is what handgun he used.
>>77228136
Except that's still an AR just like a romanian AK is still an AK.
I get your point but get some more educayshun or become 18 before posting.
>>77228136
To be fair, that Sig is, for all ballistic and performance related purposes, practically the same thing as an AR 15
LOL from that guys site.
We need him memeing for us.
>>77228315
Have a (You)
>>77228315
>>77230898
Don't. There's always like 20 of them nearby.
But I guess you could beat one if it's not in the city centre and not in a western country.
>>77230898
Depends where you are in Europe - if Romania or Bulgaria just kick the little shit and keep walking, if western Europe you better watch your mouth or it's reeducation time for you.
>>77230995
The difference is the narrative. If the libshits can't even get the basics right they have no business legislating it.
Indoctrination and propaganda requires repetition. That is why every gun is an AK-15 Fully Semuautimatic MachineRifle with Extended Capacity Clips, every dog is a Pitt Bull, and every white person is a Republican rayciss.
>>77230676
>I have never been to a gunshow
Okay
Pro tip: Normal people don't buy guns at a gunshow
Maybe ammo and jerky/hot sauce
>>77230248
>camo diapers
When I get a kid I'll have to order some American diapers.
>>77231052
>>77231306
Disgusting gypsy detected
>>77230676
>criminals will surely call the Government to ask permission before buying a weapon illegally, we're sure of it!
If liberals had any understanding of the problem then maybe they could actually propose something that might work. Of course, if liberals had any understanding of anything they wouldn't be liberals.
Oh no, it is actually mod of ar-15
Gun laws cancelled, /pol has won!
THE REASON THEY CALL IT AN AR15 HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE GUN
IT HAS TO DO WITH ASSOCIATING AR WITH ASSAULT RIFLE EVEN THOUGH IT MEANS FUCKING ARMALITE
ASSAULT RIFLES ARE 99% BANNED IN THE USA
THIS IS MEDIA BRAINWASHING
>>77231052
>no buffer tube
>no direct impingement
that isn't an AR; that would be like calling an SKS or Vz 58 an AK
This is probably the worst article to post here.
HE DIDNT USE AN AR-15 EVERYONE LMAO LIBERALS
He only used a gun that is the exact same in almost every possible way.
This doesn't exactly help your cause friends and it's actually pretty embarrassing for /pol/
>>77231284
Sounds like the baby monkeys in another 3rd world country I was in. One little bastard wouldn't let off, but I knew there would be an entire horde chimpout if I didn't play nice.
>>77230150
They do in my state. Hard liquor ad well. You in Utah?
>>77230676
this guy had a background check.
furthermore he was a port authority security guard and a guard for a courthouse. he actually had many background checks.
>>77230995
The difference is the SIG didn't jam and it looks like it has a different gas system.
Feel free to listen to the burgers as I haven't even checked google to see if it has anything to do with a Stoner rifle except the looks.
>>77231596
The same? Nogunz detected
Why is Omar Mateen considered a terrorist but not Dylan Roof?
>>77231370
What does it matter what normal people do at a gun show?
There is a loophole in gun safety laws that needs to be closed, "non-criminals don't do that" isn't an argument against regulation.
I'm not arguing that guns or bad, I'm not arguing they should be taken away, I'm arguing that the current ways a person could get around regulations should be closed.
I don't understand why you are so hostile to that idea when according to you it would have zero effect on you whatsoever.
>>77228136
>http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/06/13/narrative-fail-orlando-islamic-terrorist-use-ar-15/
kek, they'd be equally butthurt over pushing a ban of any/all semi-auto rifles so it makes no difference.
also where's the source for the shooter having the sig? why isn't that provided?
b/c you linked to a site run by spergs good job
>>77231765
Dylan made the grave mistake of not shooting up gays.
>>77231705
>port authority
>having to work at a busstop full of sleeping hobo niggers
>having to work in the heart of NYC tourist district
Fuck that job into the river and drown it.
>>77231765
By who? They called Roof a terrorist nonstop for months and are now saying that no one called him a terrorist. Fucking retards.
>>77231705
Which has nothing to do with whether the gun show loophole should be closed.
The point of gun control isn't to go back in time and stop a shooting that already happened, or to prevent all gun violence everywhere. It's to mitigate gun violence as reasonably as possible through regulation like we do with every other lethal instrument or product in existence.
>>77231458
Future german or bozgor detected.
>>77231931
>every other lethal instrument or product in existence
You mean like pressure cookers, also available at your local wal*mart?
Infowars interviewed a guy yesterday that was at the club and said he saw the shooter using two handguns, didn't mention anything about a rifle
>>77231727
You got me senpai. What absolute stark contrast does the AR-15 differ from the SIG-MCX?
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
>>77231572
Yeah, posted before checking anything other than OPs pic.
>>77228136
gun grabbers at it again
>>77228136
>http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/06/13/narrative-fail-orlando-islamic-terrorist-use-ar-15/
God, what a retarded article.
It doesn't matter if it was an AR-15, AK47, or whatever.
The Sig Sauer rifle he bought was just as good at slaughtering lots of people in an enclosed space. Doesn't matter which model of gun it was.
I support gun rights, and I hope to have my own military grade rifle when I return to America in a few years. But man, who gives a flying fuck if it wasn't exactly at AR15?
>>77228136
>>77230806
Ok, just did some more research on the MCX. Since I'm generally not up to date on all the new whodad gadgetry that no armed professional actually uses.
Quoted directly from SIG
>The upper is backwards compatible with any mil-spec AR lower, allowing you to upgrade your existing AR platform to the SIG MCX. The AR upgrade kit includes side-folding stock assembly and adapter.
With AR in bold letters thrice in one sentence, I'll say again that I concur this is an "AR type" weapon.
I've owned more AR's that I can count on my fingers and been issued at least that many M4's. I really don't give a shit what terrorists or crazy kids want to use to shoot shit up. Nor do I give a shit what the media hypes and politicians demonize with legislation.
Every where else on the planet they use AK variants to shoot each other up, we just happen to use our domestic AR variants.
>>77231596
>Nogunz detected
Fuck off back to /v/ loser
>>77230722
kek
>>77232005
You realize a pressure cooker IED is made by putting explosive material in the cooker, right?
You can't just set a pressure cooker to the "Explode" setting
>>77228136
I hope gun brokers across the US start getting more suspicious now when Ammar Yousef AlAwazy wants to buy a gun, people can always refuse service to individuals
Guns a gun to the left.
Most of them think you can buy automatic weapons just like that. Watching Whoopie ((((((goldberg))))))) deny reality infront of Paul is pretty much the standard with any leftist.
>>77232121
Yeah, but if you want maximum gun fear in the US then you have to hype it to be a domestic radical right wing conspiracy terrorist AR.
And post lots of pictures of scary black things that look close enough to ARs all over the internet so everybody knows whom to turn in to the STASI when they see one. Especially with the curvy high-death "clip" that you'd also see on a terrist AK.
>>77230097
Because libshits have proven they can't be trusted. No matter what they get it won't stop shit, so the next time they'll come back demanding something else. They admit their end goal is full bans on private ownership, so why give them anything? Not one inch.
>>77231765
Geez, maybe because Dylan Roof didn't decide to declare his loyalty to a terrorist organization before killing those nigs?
Say what you want about homogay Omar, but he was clearly affected by the ideology of Islamist terror groups.
I have met dudes like him in Japan: arabs who act like faggots but absolutely refuse to admit that they are gay, torn between their religion and their feelings. It's totally the fault of their shitty religion.
>>77231596
fn fal is not an ar kiddo
>>77232354
I can set a pressure cooker to explode setting by snuffing out the pilot light and then turning the gas on.
I don't see what the problem is.
>>77228136
Still a military-style assault rifle with high-capacity magazines. Weapons of war have no place in our streets.
That's an AR-type rifle. Stop attacking stupid details, that's leftist tier.
>>77228315
Bravo bro, ti-ai castigat dreptul sa fii pus la perete ;)
>>77232360
>implying there arent middle eastern gunshop owners giving away full autos and extended mags everyday at their local mosque
They are going to murder all the nogunz fags in a massive unexpected slaughter.
Buy a gun now if you don't already own 2
>>77232427
The gun that gay Omar used was just as scary and black as any AR-15.
A layman would have no fucking clue if shown pictures of both, and asked to identify the AR15.
>>77230676
>the undocumented sale of firearms to people without a background check of any kind is perfectly acceptable
except there is a background check done you retard
>>77228315
I know this is bait but Wal-mart stopped selling semi-auto sporting rifles after the last big hullaballoo about a year ago.
>>77232505
>snuffing out the pilot light and then turning the gas on
You...you don't know what a pressure cooker is, do you?
>>77231727
>>77232275
Quality arguments. Sorry about your mad.
>>77232468
FN FAL has nothing to fucking do with this entire story.
>>77232354
Yes, you dunce.
The components to create explosive material are freely available. Explosives are easy to create for anyone who has a marginal understanding of chemistry.
I'm on a watchlist now. Wow.
>>77232427
I would also add this: who cares if these idiots call it a "clip" or a "magazine." It makes no difference.
The pedantry of pro-gun people is ridiculous.
>>77229556
>you know it's proven that higher muslim prevalence leads to a higher ratio of muslim violence and there are a ton of ways for Muslims to immigrate without much paperwork or any wait periods or mental health checks. Maybe we should stop that?
>IT WASN'T A TRUE MUSLIM™ YOU FUCKING FASCIST STOP TRYING TO OPPRESS THE RELIGION OF PEACE
>>77228136
American SIG is shit kinda funny te shooter chose a special snowflake rifle like that though.
>>77232533
WHEN YOU INVITE THE ENEMY ACROSS THE BORDER THEN THE WAR WILL BE IN THE STREETS YOU FUCKING GLOBALIST cucks
>>77230097
Because we already have gun control.
You're disingenuously using "gun control" as a euphamism for "gun ban."
>>77231596
>He only used a gun that is the exact same in almost every possible way.
>>77231727
>>77232275
But he's right you faggots. It even shares a common upper receiver.
>>77228315
>says France with piss in the middle
>>77232735
I own one bro (no terrorist).
I'm just saying there's more than one way to get things done if you want to get things done. And blowing away a bunch of kissy fags in a gay| makes it pretty obvious what's they want to do.
>>77228136
>it's not an AR-15, just a similar military-style 5.556 rifle
>this is a victory against the media!
Omar Mateen was noted to have been a native born American citizen who despite repeated questionings and surveillance by the FBI was still allowed to legally purchase the guns he used for the shooting, so to blame this solely on Islam and Muslim immigrants while ignoring the relatively lax to nonexistent regulations against people with multiple red flags like Mateen being allowed to purchase firearms is disingenuous and will not prevent future incidents.
Also noted was that an armed security guard was in the club shooting back at Mateen and failed to stop him, which disputes the right-wing assertion that arming the citizenry is more effective at preventing gun violence than preventing red flags from getting them in the first place.
No one will reply with anything but ad homs because no one on /pol/ can deal with reality.
>>77232766
>making sure gun sales are documented is basic regulation and there's no reason not to close loopholes that get around it
>BUT PRESSURE COOKERS AREN'T DOCUMENTED
>Pressure cookers aren't lethal weapons
>THEY ARE IF YOU BUY OTHER THINGS WHOSE SALE IS MONITORED AND DOCUMENTED
You're a special kind of retarded
>>77232468
Die in a fire.
>>77228315
>military style assault weapon
>flag
Opinion discarded
>>77228315
>Drumpf
>>77230676
It is though. There's really no problem with it at all, most of these shootings have not even taken advantage of that shit. The deadliest shooter of all was a federally certified armed security officer named Omar.
>>77230097
>gun show loophole
There is no loophole. It's a private transaction between two individuals that the government has no business in.
>minimum wait times
So really all you want to do is inconvenience someone who wants to purchase a gun. That tells me all I need to know. You are the enemy.
>mental health checks
They aren't required to exercise your first amendment right and free speech is responsible for the deaths of millions across the globe annually.
tl;dr - Get fucked.
>>77232781
Because a magazine and a clip are two different things nip.
>>77232781
>I would also add this: who cares if these idiots call it a "clip" or a "magazine." It makes no difference
Sure it makes a difference. Not only does it help /k/ memes, but anybody paying attention to the sandy hook learned that if you tape two clips together then you can quickly turn it around and plug it back in for another 30 death kills.
>>77232766
Using a knife to cut your bread gets you on a watchlist in Britain
This is why you don't submit to laws "designed to protect your safety"
Because they aren't there for your safety, they are there for those ruling your liberal pussy ass's safety.
>It's not this 5.56 rifle it's that 5.56 rifle
Hopefully Omar was using some .22lr conversion for giggles.
>>77231931
No. I won't go through an FFL just to give my brother a gun.
You're a faggot.
>>77233222
oy vey that's gunsmithing!
how did he get a license to gunsmith!
>>77232854
>You're disingenuously using "gun control" as a euphamism for "gun ban."
I was pretty explicit about the measures I was condoning.
In what way is documenting gun show sales, having minimum wait times, and/or requiring a mental health screening an effective (and retroactive) ban on gun ownership?
If you're just going to sit there and tell me I'm a liar who really just wants to steal your property all I can do is rightly call you paranoid.
>>77228315
What a laughable nation America is.
A woman who has been investigated by the FBI could walk into the democratic convention and buy the office of president of the united states. Hopefully Trump can fix some of the laws that allow this senseless corruption to happen. Shillary certainly won't, in fact she is politicizing this event by blaming white males to fan the flames of leukophobia which has kept her pathetic campaign afloat.
The blood is on the hands of anti-white, racist, misandrist, left-wing multicultist bigots who have spewed hateful rhetoric for years, real Americans know this and they will make the right choice in November.
>>77231085
Is that a buttplug or a dildo?
>>77230150
Haha mine sold both and had an attached MC dixks and liquor store. Alaska really is a great state.
>>77233222
... or .300 BLK
>>77233002
>arming the citizenry is more effective
Training a willing citizenry would be more effective.
But yeah, I'll agree that red is supposed to mean stop and anyone with a bunch of related red flags attached should be denied purchase of a firearm.
>>77233130
>It's a private transaction between two individuals that the government has no business in.
This same logic could apply to any controlled substance. Are you saying you support private transactions involving cocaine, explosives, or biological agents?
>What you really want to do is inconvenience
The point of a wait time is to prevent crimes of passion and allow for proper checks on the purchaser, not "inconvenience"
>free speech kills millions
You went full retard, anon.
>>77231036
Fuck off Chris
>>77233141
Pedantry.
When 99% of people say "clip," they are actually referring to a magazine.
That doesn't somehow invalidate their arguments.
I support gun rights, but the retarded obsession with details doesn't help you. You just sound like pedantic assholes.
>>77228315
>muh buzwords
>>77231822
Here's a Soros linked website, if that makes you feel better.
Remember, all mass shooting rifles are AR-15s, All handguns are Glocks, and legislation regulating bathrooms is just as hateful as shooting people.
>>77228315
You fucking beggars have no rights at all to talk smack on the internet.
Your women would get fucked by anything if it meant they could get a penny.
Not that I would because they are all fucking retarded.
>>77233308
The measures you suggest are stopgap measures. The left's ultimate goal is to chip away at resistance and utilize subversion in order to arrive at a ban on civilian gun ownership.
>>77233654
>all mass shooting assault rifles
ftfy
>>77228136
are you dumb OP?
gun grabbers don't care about what gun a guy used to commit a mass shooting?
only gun freaks freak out and go on a massive rant when someone names the wrong gun
gun lovers are mass spergs and should be put in mental institutions
>>77232739
Kill yourself.
>>77229556
>you know it's proven that higher gun prevalence leads to a higher ratio of gun violence
No it isn't. This is false.
>>77228315
This has to be bait, no one is seriously this retarded.
>>77233737
>AR stands for Assault Rifle not Armalite
>>77233308
Minimum wait times lead to people who are in dire need of protection getting killed by an abuser, there is no gun show loophole as most sellers at a gun show are FFL licensed and require you to fill out a 4437, the rare private sale makes up such a small portion of sales it's inconsequential. Mental health screening will lead to lobbying of the medical board to classify the desire to have a firearm as a mental illness.
>>77232354
>explosive material
Do you really not know just how many materials in this world can and will explode if presented with a spark?
You can buy such materials anywhere at such low prices anyone could make a fucking bomb.
And you can't uninvent the technology or the schematics that you can also find anywhere.
A bomb is a lot more dangerous than any gun.
>>77233874
When are we going to ban 50-people clips?
>>77228315
Says someone whose country was a communist dictatorship where the military only had weapons
>>77233801
Exactly.
"IT WASN'T AN AR15, SO FUCK OFF" --- An absolutely retarded argument.
Even if the media reports all guns as AR15's, AK47's, or Glocks - it doesn't matter.
What should matter is the overall argument about gun rights.
>>77229556
Each race commits violent crimes at around the same rate no matter where they are.
Whites in America are no more violent than whites in France, despite access to guns.
>>77228136
>this triggers the /k/
>>77233002
He was shot at by an off duty police officer, which alerted more officers, which cornered him into the bathroom. So I'd say armed citizens were pretty effective.
As usual for leftists, you have a selective memory, what happened when two niggers tried to shoot up a Mahommet caricature convention? They were both killed by a security guard before they could do anything else.
Shall we talk about the dozens of reported events where citizens with guns stopped deadly attacks? Or shall we talk about the head of interpol suggesting that armed citizenry might be the most effective way of fighting crime and terrorism nowadays? Or shall we talk about both US and EU data that indicates that the more guns there are in civilian hands = the less crimes there are?
>>77233915
>WHEN ARE WE GOING TO BAN EVERYTHING I DONT LIKE
>I MEAN EVERYTHING I DONT LIKE TODAY RIGHT NOW
![5d-tinfoil-hat-[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/YRxUKNS.jpg "5d-tinfoil-hat-[1].jpg")
>>77233705
>The left's ultimate goal is to chip away at resistance and utilize subversion in order to arrive at a ban on civilian gun ownership.
Pointless tribalism: check
Paranoia: check
If you're obese you're the American trifecta.
>>77233654
Sorry, forgot the link to kike propaganda.
https://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/06/13/maker-assault-weapon-reportedly-used-orlando-massacre-sponsors-nra-news-show-called-defending-our/210894
>>77233891
>the rare private sale makes up such a small portion of sales it's inconsequential
This is not an argument against regulation.
"Oh someone only eats a baby once every few years" is not an argument against banning baby cannibalism
>>77228315
Why did you spend your time writing this nobody cares fucking gypsy
>>77230097
Give an inch they take a mile
>>77234015
>What should matter is the overall argument about gun rights.
Overall Argument about gun rights, eh? Ok.
Ahem...
>SHALL
>>77233002
And people with red flags shouldn't be allowed to purchase weapons without even more red flags going off.
Funny thing, this whole situation could be fixed by executive power and the Presidency making the FBI stop being retarded and set up a national terrorist watchlist.
Like a 'No Fly' list, but actually addressing a likely avenue of attack which terrorists can, have, and will use.
I'm not giving up my rights because our government is ineffective and you're too much of a partisan hack to admit that Obama should have immediately authorized a national terrorist watchlist after San Bernadino.
>>77234152
>So I'd say armed citizens were pretty effective.
>after dozens of people were already dead
You seem to have a selective memory of what transpired. Pretending "armed citizens were pretty effective" is disingenuous at best and being utterly retarded at worst.
>>77234269
False equivalency
>>77228315
single post at the start of the thread.
>>77234102
>The AR just doesn't have that much knock down power.
Triggered.
>>77233526
If you're on the list you should be barges with a crime asap.
Otherwise you are being denied by a shadow court with no cause. You could be a watched terrorist tomorrow.
>>77234102
If he used rounds intended to pierce body armor like pic related, there is an argument that they would overpenetrate the naked gay guys and not even be as effective as a 9mm hollowpoint or a standard big slow .45 FMJ
>>77233414
It's whatever you want it to be *wink*
>>77233002
What red flags you stupid nigger the guy was a security contractor who already passed a shit ton of background checks.
>No one will reply with anything but ad homs
Yeah because your a fucking retard.
>>77234377
You mean a no fly list list nobody could fly other than the Bin Laden family after somebody let planes fly into 9/11?
And then tower 7 fell down without a plane?
>>77234346
shall not be infringed....yes?
If you have that, why act like retard and obsess over whether the media correctly reports technical details about specific types of firearms?
Its a black scary rifle and those are bad. Good people don't own black scary pewpews.
>>77228315
Fuck off gypsy rag
>>77234269
>implying selling a gun from one person to another is equivalent to eating a baby
No, this is like trying to curb baby eating by regulating forks and knives.
>>77234570
Please read, "1984" by George Orwell.
Manipulation of language is key. Even Noam Chomsky understand the power of language.
>>77234377
>I'm not giving up my rights because our government is ineffective and you're too much of a partisan hack to admit that Obama should have immediately authorized a national terrorist watchlist after San Bernadino.
White bois like you would be on it
>>77234044
Oh, I see now that you're right.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks#Oslo_bombing
>>77234407
If the comparison were about the morality of gun sales vs baby eating you'd be right, but the comparison is actually regarding the argument against lawmaking so you're wrong.
>>77234544
You've tried to make sense and failed spectacularly.
>>77234570
it encourages public outrage that then encourages such fine gun legislation that attempts to ban guns by name
>>77230628
>Shame it isn't being sold outside of the US, and since that type of gun is going to be banned EU wide at the end of the year anyway
Thanks to your faggot government for that. Fucking useless frogs, couldn't you revolt for real now ?
>>77234484
I didn't think double penetration was possible on gay men.
>>77234184
How can you look at the left's history regarding gun ownership and arrive at any other conclusion? Pretend that the right caves completely and agrees to enact laws banning civilian ownership of all long guns and restricting all handguns to magazines of 5 rounds or less, as long as the left promises to end it there. They do.
A couple months later, someone kills a dozen people with his 5 round handgun. Does the left shrug and say, "Well, we promised we'd stop with what we got." or do they rev right back up into "Guns are the ultimate evil!" mode and start hammering on how we need to ban assault glocks?
>>77232829
>taking the Mongolian's bait
>>77234789
moar like the government failed spectacularly
and also the steel framed buildings
>>77228136
He still used a machine gun though
>>77230097
>>77231791
There is no gun show loophole. Period. That is a anti gunner fallacy.
>>77234788
Not at all, one is exercising right to free commerce and the other is killing and eating a person.
>>77233308
>>77233563
In what way would any of those measures prevented this? Oh wait, they wouldn't have. Fuck off, Feinstein.
>>77228315
Delete your account hillary.
>>77234570
>If you have that, why act like retard and obsess over whether the media lies about and distorts the details of the assailant's tools of choice to further their own morbid agenda and mislead the public
fify
>>77234943
Wots a "machine gun" m8?
>>77234943
Is this a machinegun? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLk1v5bSFPw
>>77234896
dammit.
>>77235102
Look at the picture in the first post. It's still a machine gun.
>>77234387
I like how you conveniently avoid addressing all the other points. You know you can't win so you drop the subject altogether. Typical behavior from your kind, once again.
I guess you would have liked it better if there was no armed response at all and hundreds of people were killed like at the Bataclan?
>>77235212
That dude was a machine
>>77228315
It's a proxy.
>>77229556
Nice strawman
>>77228315
Ban Islam and send all the Muslims home.
Problem solved - an Americans get to keep their guns
This isn't fucking hard to solve.
>>77228315
I'm pretty sure a civ can't purchase military grade weapons. I don't know, we can barely buy spoons here. Can you purchase fully automatic weapons in the US?
>>77232829
>Muslims
>enemy
You sound like some sort of degenerate.
>>77228315
You don't even live in America.
Your opinions don't matter.
>>77235288
Aren't all guns machines? Did you not learn about simple machines in elementary school?
>>77228315
Yes the blood of fag Mexicans killed by a fag Muslim is obviously on the hands of white non pervert Christians.
I hope you're getting paid and aren't this stupid for free
>>77235400
yes, but the paperwork and cost is absolutely ridiculous. Essentially, no.
>>77235400
Sure, you just have to pay extra for full auto.
>>77229556
1: no it isn't
2: why is gun violence worse than any other kind of violence?
3: shitskins commit disproportionate amounts of your scary gun violence.
>>77229556
>proven that higher gun prevalence leads to greater violence
t. shitskin savage
>>77234750
Not a response to any merit.
Can you explain why President Obama, with the powers of the Presidency, did not establish, after the San Bernadino shooting, a national watch list to ensure that people who came into contact, repeatedly sought out, conversed with, received funding from, learned how to make bombs, etc. were not allowed to freely go about planning and then executing their terrorist plots?
We paid over 200 billion to the NSA, CIA, and FBI last year. What have they done with that money? What has the President done to deal with this problem?
He threw his hands up after he couldn't get gun control passed and said, "If we don't fix this problem my way, I won't fix it at all."
>>77228136
>6.6 lb trigger pull
DROPPED
>>77235429
They are against the Bill of Rights
They are another evil just like Jews and Liberals
What caliber did he use?
>>77229556
High rates of violence come from high rates of black people. guns have fuck all to do with it.
Ask a Tutsi about it
>>77234958
You realize that this entire comic is literally a visualization of the slippery slope fallacy, right?
>>77235082
>In what way would any of those measures prevented this?
It wouldn't have. To repeat myself: The point of gun control is not to go back in time to stop specific incidents or to stop all gun crime everywhere forever. It's to mitigate gun violence as best we can with common sense regulation without infringing on people's rights.
I know politics in America is ridiculously polarized and tribal but you must understand that opinions don't only sit on the two extremes, right?
>>77228136
What's the point? Certainly these people are not calling for a ban of simply the AR-15, but it and weapons like it.
>>77235711
>What caliber did he use?
ALL OF THEM
BAN CALIBERS NAO
>>77235711
Glock Assault Rifle
>>77231572
>Vz 58 an AK
well for some of us that's the closet we'll ever get ):
>>77228905
He didn't, wal mart doesn't carry Sig products
And to be fair, the MCX runs off STANAG mags and is essentialy a member of the AR family, the charging handle, forward assist, lots of externals look the same, betting the internals are too
So it's not a profound misnomer to call it an "AR"
So of course OP(huge faggot) and anyone else taking shit in this thread against guns (> can't buy sigs at Wal-Mart, sigs too nice)
can all eat a big bag of post op left over tranny dicks
>>77235288
What's a machine gun? Is it this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEG-ly9tQGk
>i know the guy's a fraud, just pointing out the speed no bully plz
>>77228136
You want to talk about a narrative fail?
The guy pledged allegiance to three incompatible terrorist organizations.
He wasn't actually a radical Islamic terrorist. It was a ruse, and it worked.
>>77230097
Because a decade ago it was "we just want to be able to love who we want!"
And now it's jail homophobes! Take away their children! Run them out of business and out of town.
It's always like this.
Fuck the lying leftist shits. Non fags and uncucked will trust your kind never.
>>77230097
This I fark-tier garbage. Thank you for correcting the record.
>>77235711
556
Not sure on the handguns
>>77228315
Have another (You)
>>77233355
Underrated, and trips into dubs that no one has checked
i didnt get a chance to record but on fox they were interviewing one of the victims and he said three times the shooter used a shotgun. go in the chat and ask the people watching to confirm
http://vaughnlive.tv/newzviewz
>>77235927
>And now it's jail homophobes! Take away their children! Run them out of business and out of town.
I'm a liberal jew in a town of liberal jews who went to school in an even more liberal party college
I have never in my life run into the attitude you are claiming is prevalent.
>>77228136
Not that the MSM isn't retarded about guns ("""clips""". """automatic"""), but this is literal /k/ autism that just makes us look like Pharisees.
>>77235711
Deagle brand 223.56mm. He literally assaulted those democrat voters.
>>77235735
>fallacy
It's only a fallacy if it's not supported. Everything in the comic has already happened.
>>77235293
No, you went on to rant and bring up unrelated bullshit that wasn't worth responding to.
Point is your claim is patently false.
>>77236250
>I need a license to transport firearms across state lines
>this is tantamount to stealing 3/4ths of my constitutional rights
Yeah, nah, your comic is bullshit.
>>77228315
Even if Clinton wins in November, she likely faces a republican majority congress and a pesky second amendment that she cannot amend.
>>77235735
You know, assuming an argument is wrong simply because it contains a fallacy is itself a fallacy. Fallacious arguments are not wrong by definition.
Also, slippery slope isn't a real fallacy and it is:
>a logical device in which a party asserts that a particular result will probably (or even must inevitably) follow from a given decision or circumstance, without necessarily providing any rational argument or demonstrable mechanism for the likelihood of the assumed consequence
You have been provided with both a rational argument for why the left would follow this course of action and with the mechanism by which they would accomplish it. I know this might be a stretch for you but much like all handguns aren't glocks, all arguments you disagree with aren't fallacious.
>>77235735
See >>77234958
There's a reason gun owners seem so unreasonable in their defense of their rights. We've already given up a lot in the name of "mitigating violence" with very little evidence that there's any correlation between gun ownership and murder rates, and every time we let anti-gunners get their way it just shifts the window of discourse in their favor.
>>77229556
Dropped
>>77236151
Not really. The media wouldn't be trying to break down the NICS check like it's a sudden and very complex revelation if they weren't all fucking ignorant.
>>77228136
It's a piston driven AR clone. It's almost the same thing, except it has a folding stock.
>>77235909
Apparently the dude had a grindr account and was possibly a closet homo. Pretty lolsworthy if you ask me.
Won't get why people care so much about gun violence.
Does it matter if you get killed by a gun or a knife? There's no correlation between gun ownership and intentional homicide rates.
>>77230150
The fuck do you live?
>>77228315
desu I just wanna give you another (you) because you earned it bud!
>>77236492
>moving the goal posts
You said the comic was an example of a slippery slope. Everything from the NFA, the GCA, to the Brady bill have already happened. It's not saying what WILL happen, only what has.
>>77236536
The supreme court though. Likely we'll lose some of our current judges and she'll put in a bunch gun grabbing libs.
>>77233655
lol calm down sweden
>>77236637
A democrat killing democrats.
You muricans should do something about all those democrats going on murder sprees.
Maybe you should ban them.
>>77236590
>We've given up a lot
I really don't see that, anon. I don't see how gun sales being registered effectively stole half of your constitutional rights. I don't see how licenses for interstate commerce took another quarter of your rights. By obfuscating the actual language of the laws and equating them to theft you're removing any facts or argumentation from the equation and replacing it with a vague appeal to emotion.
The comic is a gross oversimplification at best and blatant propaganda at worst.
>>77235884
I bought my Sig M400 Enhanced from wal-mart.
It's nice, but it's my spare AR.
>>77236690
Just as a warning, don't expect to be able to buy beer at the gas station if you're passing through PA.
Some states are weird about it. I had to take a nice, beautiful drive into Michigan one Sunday morning to pick up some booze because you can't do that in Indiana on a Sunday.
>>77228315
Freedom isnt free cunt. Go lick boot elsewhere.
>>77230150
>>77229143
Illinois here. Seen liquor but nothing above an air rifle. Cant remember real guns ever being there.
>>77233655
>Sweden summoning his little quisling while his women and himself get fucked whether they like it or not.
Well...that 1 post gypsy troll sure learned a lesson.
>>77228136
>first the shooter is muslim
>then turns out he was gay
>didn't even us an AR-15
This has become and absolute fucking nightmare for the left.
>>77237375
ban assault rocks
>>77236936
It's all a slippery slope. We've seen it happen in Europe. Give gun control an inch, and they'll eventually take a mile.
>>77236637
And instead of blaming his backward religion of peace that hates homosexuality more than USA does, they blame america that get more and more tolerant for decades... Because? Someone on Facebook says he's muslim, gay and have loving parents?
I just don't understand.
>>77233633
I agree, sort of...
Saying "clip" in place of "magazine" is something I don't correct people on. I simply note that they're obviously too ignorant with regard to firearms for me to speak to them on the same level as my peers and coworkers. I will continue to say magazine without making an issue out of it. They almost always end up saying magazine by the end of the discussion instead of "clip" because it is obvious that I know a lot more about guns than they do.
So yes, it is largely pedantry. You don't have to insult someone to change their errors.
>>77236133
Bakeries? Pizza Shops?
>>77237489
>THEY'RE TAKIN MUH RIGHTS SLIPPERY SLOPE MY CAKE
>The comparisons this comic makes are laughable on their face, it's ridiculous to claim that a law that required sellers to purchase a license before transporting guns across state lines is equivalent to stealing half of someone's rights
>IT'S THAT DANG OLD SLIPPERY SLOPE ANON EUROPE HAS NO GUNS
Just fucking retarded. You can't argue the merit of a measure by saying something a thousand times more extreme would be really bad.
>>77233633
Confusing clip with mag usually means you have a misunderstanding of the fundamentals of firearms in general. It definitely means you lack any sort of "gun culture". You can make political points all you want, nobody said you can't. It does however mean you don't know what the fuck you are talking about when it comes to the substance of the thing you are trying to ban.
Doesn't mean you can't say we should ban X because of Y. It's more to say that your likelihood of being full of shit is pretty high.
>>77236133
http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/preacher-arrested-for-calling-homosexuality-a-sin.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1361469/Christian-beliefs-DO-lose-gay-rights-Judges-ruling-devout-foster-couple-lose-case.html
http://www.advocate.com/business/2012/07/26/chick-fil-not-welcome-growing-list-places
http://m.tmz.com/#article/2013/09/08/fox-southwest-sports-commentator-fired-anti-gay-homophobic-remarks/
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/04/04/san-francisco-police-officers-to-be-fired-for-homophobic-texts/
http://m.aol.com/article/2015/07/23/professor-fired-after-posting-homophobic-remarks/21212670/
http://mobile.wnd.com/2015/10/fire-chief-fired-for-views-on-homosexuality-has-day-in-court/
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/04/mozillas-gay-marriage-litmus-test-violates-liberal-values/360156/
That was like two minutes on Google. You're not stupid you're a liar. America is waking up to your kind. It's all sympathy and tolerance and high minded concern until you get the whip in hand.
>>77228905
Nobody. Walmart stopped selling them last year.
>>77233308
> documenting gun show sales
They already document them, serial number and everything. When you say "document gun show sales" you really mean "regulate them out of existence," through imposition of your next bright idea:
> mandatory wait times
Longer than the duration of a weekend gun show, of course.
> If you're just going to sit there and tell me I'm a liar
Yes. Because you're lying. And given how much you're trying to twist the meanings of words, "paranoid" is actually a compliment from you.
>>77237791
>clickbait stories egged on by the subject of said stories represent the everyday cultural climate in america
Get out of your internet bubble.
The vast majority of people are far too self-involved to give half a shit about what you think about gay people
Islamshits & LibbaFags, fuck off
>>77237895
The end goal of many gun control advocates is to ban guns. Fuck them and fuck you.
>>77228136
Should I?
>>77228136
>AR pattern receiver
Close enough.
>>77237895
"S
Just fucking retarded. You can't argue the merit of a measure by saying something a thousand times more extreme would be really bad."
Really? So you won't mind wearing a yellow star then because it's a thousand times less bad than being rounded up and murdered?
You're so full of shit. Take off the problem glasses, no one is buying you're "I'm just for common sense measures!" bullshit.
Everyone knows what the real plan is
This is a weird question but, is the shooter still alive?
>>77238005
>They already document them
Some do, but it is not required. It should be required.
>wait times fuck over gun shows
They don't at the moment, and I never said we had to implement wait periods at gun shows.
You're literally inventing lies to rail against.
>>77231572
ok but at the end of the day its still a highly customizable mag-fed semi auto rifle. thats pretty much all you need to be to be called an AR or AK.
maybe you should realize that not everyone is knowledgeable about guns, and use generalized terms for them.
>>77228315
Sigh..... here is your reply
>>77238110
Buy it
