Is math degenerate? I mean it's basically mental masturbation.
Mathematics is the key to unlocking the secrets of the vastness of the universe. It's the purest language in existence.
>>77133921
Let me guess: you only studied math in high school.
Are GPS satellites mental masturbation?
What's wrong with you, Sweden?
sweden is so cucked literally cannot understand anything but degeneracy, swede wonders why he can't understand math isn't mental masturbation.
>>77133806
>Is math degenerate? I mean it's basically mental masturbation.
Eh, I don't think it's degenerate. It's a form of escapism for a lot of us though.
>>77133921
>Mathematics is the key to unlocking the secrets of the vastness of the universe. It's the purest language in existence.
quality bait right here
>>77133921
Thank you!
t. mathematician
>>77134153
No. Math is the key to everything. Every discipline uses mathematics to a very high degree. Most are not even aware of it. Fuck off you cuck.
t. fucker of your mother
>>77134153
No I majored in exercise physiology an studied anatomy and biology in high school.
>>77133806
Homology is the king subject.
>yfw all physical theories will be written in (co)homological terms by the middle of the century
Mathematics in itself is useless. It is just a bunch of incoherent pulled out the ass axioms and paradigms pushed by enough shills over the years so it could dominate other forms of description and became an institutionalised religion on which uncritical prostitutes have built their believe system, not getting, that they were played by the kike.
>>77133806
Question how old are you. Better question, what is your highest education? You claim its not important, and i want to hear the reasoning behind this, not just a statement. I'm genuinely curious how you, the avarage person see math.
>>77133806
Not all math actually. Set theory is the trojan horse of math degeneracy though, causes more problems than it solves.
Yes if it's not applicable to the real world like 99% of theoretical stuff. Especially "jewish physics" like CERN/quantum crap.
The parts based on logic (i.e. most of the theory used in computer algorithms) are sound though. Kikes take advantage of this to control us meanwhile we get taught that computer science is about computers, not logic and never learn logic in school (Trivium).
If you can't make something with it, then it's degenerate Jew shit.
tbqh theres been some integrals that have been more satisfying to solve than sex.
>>77134821
>Set theory is the trojan horse
Elaborate please
>>77134835
But even then, even the parts that do work in reality could still be considered degenerate since the Unabomber is basically right.
fuck my life, I'm an electrical engineer
>>77134614
No. Mathematics is not useless. Not theoretical, not applied. You like that smart phone you got there son? Yeah that's a fucking MIMO system in a box that's modelled with stochastic matrices.
You like your electrical jew machine? Yeah that's fucking complicated rotor wheels aka modelled mathematical machines.
You enjoy 4chan? You know what IT is motherfucker? Yeah I fucking do, I fucking work with that network modelling.
Do you enjoy being able to drone strike a-rabs? You're fucking welcome.
You can stop using the tools made possible by mathematics if you think it's useless.
I can't tell if this thread is serious or pure sartire
>>77134835
Almost anything will be used sooner or later. The problem is that finding applications take time.
Less time now in the information age, but still time.
More theoretical math, more fun jewery gadgets for you to enjoy in the far future.
I am a twirly gay cuckold and proud swede!
>ITT: uneducated neets showing their true colors
very nice
>>77135351
pure shite
>>77133806
most "high" "education" is mental masturbation for people who think acute intelligence is the same as wisdom.
mathematics is just a language for philosophy.
>>77135414
meh, in the end technology is destroying society. One of the smartest math geniuses ever realized this and went stark raving mad. I think in the end though, modern math is only as valid as any other system that produced results (such as ancient greek geometry, or even alchemy)
>>77135054
Transfinite numbers are an abomination that gives nothing fruitful except meta-discussion about the nature of numbers, which is pointless since maths is an activity of calculus and not a field of knowledge. Moreover, set theory is cluttered very jargon that would make Shakespeare look like an illiterate.
>>77133806
>>77135589
Nope try again, I'm an electrical engineer with a master's.
I see the end products of math "working" before my very eyes but still question the paradigm.
There's literally no way for your fallible perception to know that the theory behind why your computer works is actually true, and it's not just black magic with demons manipulating your perception.
ITT psuedo intellectuals who are either in community college or working at mcdonalds
>>77135876
ITT: a triggered math major
>>77135833
and I'm a purple dinosaur that's been to the moon 3 times
>>77133806
Yes, its another jewish plot. I am it was OK in elementary schools when there were like numbers n shit. But nowadays they even put letters and some weird orcish runes. They say they be like greek letters or sumfin'. But I know these are just kike lies, since Greese is in Europe and Europeans use like normal letters.
>>77135643
I don't know what it is with geniuses and being crazy but it's interesting viewing older mathematicians on the brink.
However I think your point that technology is destroying society is humbug. Childbirth death rates have fallen in western society. We have a magnetic cannon that can shoot a projectile accurately 24 miles away. We have probes in space that collect terabytes of data.
Everything is so interesting now. We have tons of information and endless possibilities.
>>77135876
Haters be jell. friend.
t. fellow math bro
>>77135963
jell hater detected
>>77133806
We wouldnt have anything that we have today if it wasnt for math
kys you bitter faggot, wish you were in that orlando club getting shot
>>77135833
You enjoying those fourier transforms that were highly theoretical 100 years ago friendo?
Maybe those transformation matrices we so galliantly analyzed for you some years ago? You enjoy that?
>>77135761
>set theory is cluttered very jargon
*cluttered WITH jargon
Moreover, the mindset of mathematicians always favors expansion more than reduction, always trying to break things where they simply work. Maths should always more or less intertwined with natural sciences, otherwise it just looks like senseless mumble jumble.
>>77135833
Computer engineer here, first year. Question is, will the whole thing once get together as a whole? I mean its feels me that i learn here tiny bits of informations, but not the big picture.
>>77135643
Knowledge in general is destroying humanity. We're learning more and more about how to build more and more complicated and powerful control systems that ultimately could cause humanity to collapse into a singularity of power and control focused on a single, albeit flawed, individual.
We intuitively know everything in the universe already, mathematics and other mundane forms of knowledge is simply us trying to conquer the unconquerable reality of the universe and our ultimate subjection to the creater of the universe.
So while Math is degenerate, it can be used to show the truth behind the veil that we are building a sort of towel of Babel with our search for self-empowerment
>>77136366
I think a lot of the concepts regarding frequencies are literally in our brains naturally, and some of this used to be intuitive to ancient people, and lost in the modern day. Since after all the nervous system works by sensing frequency of inputs.
>>77133806
Math is based.
I mean no harm but, what is this thread about?
>>77135204
All the shit you listed is bad tough
>>77134835
>electromagnetic fields
>atoms
>molecules
>splitting of atoms
>literally all of physics
You are 100% retarded if you actually believe this. That because something doesn't have immediate application its useless...if physicists thought like you this world wouldn't even exist.
>>77134153
>education is required to be a freethinking individual
fuck yourself sven
>>77135204
>You enjoy....
Moron
Did you even understand anything I wrote? Or are you really one of those narrow minded mathheads?
I have some news for you, people who give a crap about meth or even think about going farer then calculations are dieing out. Why? Because you dont propagade and are pictured by most people as egg heads. Short speaken, you have no good propaganda.
But sure people who really have gotten what is important use your (((skills))) to get where they want, in addition to other people with other skills. And actually power dont needs iphones and it maybe even far easier to get people in line withouth fancy jew games, manipulating their speech.
Math is just a tool, to many people took to serious over thousands of years, getting elitist, losing ad power, slowly declining and getting unimportant. You language is dieing out lad.
enjoy idiocracy or a global battle royal
>>77133806
Math is not degenerate, quite the opposite. But forcing math into places it doesn't belong (like human behavior or cosmology) is autistic and try-hard.
>>77133921
LOL...
No, it's just a bunch of ass burgers studying theoretical horsecrap and making a big fuss about trivial crap. Since 99% of people aren't smart enough to understand pure math, they think what mathematicians do is cool and useful.
Many of the "applicable and useful" extensions of math are dog shit as well, like the ridiculous geometric brownian motion/lognormal model of stock prices, which have caused a gigantic derivatives bubble.
Other nonsense from mathematicians include garbage like the rendleman-barter model, which assumes short rates follow a GBM, the vasicerk model which assumes volatility is constant and CIG model (Which only gives mathematician boners because it has mean reversion an volatility that is correlated with interest rates).
All of it is nonsense.
Math is only accurate when setting up imaginary parameters that never happen in reality.
>>77136650
>I think a lot of the concepts regarding frequencies are literally in our brains naturally
>like hilbert spaces
>>77136789
>You language is dieing out
wew
>>77135761
>>77136468
Thank you for this explanation. Its kind of what I criticize about math, to much unprovable paradigms fucked it up as usual tool. Happy there are still empirical mathheads in the wild
>>77136735
You see the fruits of the theories, but have you ever seen a single one of your list with your eyes?
For all you know it could literally be black magic, and people are just coming up with new terms to explain it.
All of "math and science" is just a massive cargo cult, like those ooga boogas in New Guinea who worship a plane as god.
>>77136644
>knowledge is destroying humanity
No that's called retardation. Literally turn on the news for 5 seconds and you'll see retards are the ones killing us, because there are so fucking many of them.
This is the kind of anti-intellectualism that's fucking us all right now.
>>77136999(check)
>>77136480
>IT
Confirmed autist, rip senpai
>>77136799
This is partially true but please don't bring up economics my dude, it's literally a fake science.
>that basic ass analysis on the board
>normies impressed
But to answer the thread it's easily one of the most useful if not THE most useful tool humans developed.
t. Physics student
>>77136799
The device you are typing this bait on wouldn't exist without a fundamental understanding of math
>>77136789
Written language was a massive mistake.
nearly all of us would be happier illiterate
>>77137071
You are one seriously retarded fuck.
You honestly use a cellphone or computer then say you've never seen this shit with your eyes?
Here's a simple experiment for you:
>get metal shavings
>get paper
>get a magnet
>put paper over magnet
>put metal shavings on paper
You'll see magnetism you dumb fuck.
You better be fucking trolling.
>>77136650
Are you fucking dumb? Do you think you can intuitively make shit work without having the correct pattern fool?
Do you think fucking pythagoras saw in strings?
What the fuck is wrong with you?
>>77136702
Yeah maybe you don't wanna be a space pirate one day but I sure as fuck want to.
Maybe you fucking hate cars but I don't, not the least bit.
>>77136789
Without mathematics you'd be living in the fucking dark ages. Not even the middle ages.
Progress is good you degenerate and all progress can be attributed to mathematical progress.
>>77136799
t. someone who doesn't understand mathematics
>>77137071
It could be black magic! Except it's been tested and tried, weird HUH!
>>77137090
Look beyond what's on the (((news)))
There's multiple dimensions to what's happening, that's what a lot of discussion on /pol/ is about. The chaos happening is mostly controlled opposition and systematic destruction of societal cohesion and individual discernment. This is an elaborate plot by neo-jews who worship satan to introduce an antichrist in a way that the world would be likely to accept as their god.
I thought everybody knew this...
>>77137237
>Most useful tool
What is about the gold tongued law fag knowing people with Schekel and getting them to pay for your art
>>77136650
>A real person has come to this conclusion
What are you even doing mate, whaterowhat
>>77133806
yes, exactly. Everyone should study something practical, of value like gender studies.
>>77133806
>is math degenerate?
No, its a powerful tool. Litterally the only infalible information in existance. You can be completely insane and still make sense of a world that adhears to the laws of mathematics.
There's those that place their trust in words, and those that place their trust in numbers. Only one has built civilizations.
>>7713739
Clearly meth addicted. enjoy living in a box
>>77133806
>it's basically mental masturbation
You mean mental lifting.
>>77137427
I've considered that Trump might be that antichrist, but he still doesn't have that kind of worldwide support.
I think it might not even be a real person but an AI or virtual construct.... perhaps the Internet itself personified.
>>77137398
Math econ double major at top 15 university.
Passed all actuarial exams and my salary is over $200k.
>>77137432
He still needs someone to count his money ösi-brudi
I genuinely can't believe there are people on /pol/ who believe there is "jew math".
This is the worst fucking thread I've ever seen.
Genuinely fucking kill yourself, the world would be truly better off without you, and I'm not even exaggerating.
>>77137488
People built civilization, and people who put trust in People (not to mention God (s) ).
>>77133806
Math is degenerate because it's a metaphor for sex
1+1 = 2. God how fucking awful. Think of your dopamine receptors next time you do math porn faggots
>>77137745
This.
t. type theorist
>>77133806
>The map
laughing my fucking ass off. Math lord loves poo people. You are going down in shit my Sweden friendo.
>>77137664
No, Trump can't be the antichrist. There's a lot written about who the antichirst will be and how he/it will be received. Basic traits:
>Smart
>Good Looking
>Highly energetic
>Amazing personality
>Personal life hidden from public
>Liked by everybody except John the Baptist types who see through it all
Basically the most successful, amazing, rich, loved person (by the masses) and shilled non-stop by the media (like clinton except waayyyyy worse)
Also probably gay
>>77137739
>Implying counting requires a deep understanding of mathematics
Thank you for creating the theorie behinde it, actually noone cares for it and if we forget it we will sure come up with something new or all become communists
Found the gender studies major.
I have a phd in math. I make 350k a year any job I want.
It's a language with which you can explain logical concepts. Just because you can't think of a use for it doesn't mean it doesn't have a use.
>>77133806
why is she writing so fucking large?
what the fuck is wrong with women
t. math graduate
>>77137303
That's like saying a good novel wouldn't exist without a fundamental understanding of the language the novel is written on.
While it's technically true, the argument is trivial (Math pun intended).
Much of the advancements made in society, including the computer I'm writing this on, came from studying properties of inanimate objects, mostly semiconductor and materials science.
Math is only used to measure properties of the inanimate objects.
>>77138088
>Famefagging on a buthanes cuckhold porn board
Timestamp of last paycheck or gtfo
>>77138066
What if it's Peter Thiel?
He's behind most of the 2016 "alt-right" stuff including gamergate , the fall of Gawker, and Milo btw.
I liked math because it was right or wrong. You either got the answer correct or you were wrong.
In my English class, I'd write a paper and get a B for whatever dumb bullshit reasons the teacher came up with. One time I looked over at the paper next to me and the student was writing at literally the quality of a small child. It was all short sentences. "I went to the store. I ran the entire way. I bought a can of soda pop at the store. It was good."
It was fucking retarded bullshit. It deserved a motherfucking F compared to my paper.
>>77133921
MUSIC IS THE PUREST LANGUAGE
THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS MUH GOOD HARD LABOR. I DO GOOD WORK WITH ME HANDS SO I AM BETTER THAN THEM MATHERS WHO ARE JUST JEW NERDS
If math is masturbation is philosophy sex?
>>77138215
You clearly have no knowledge of Computer Science so just be quiet you child.
>>77133806
A Swede asking a dumb question like that. I can see why your country is in the state it is in.
>>77136799
>le mathematics is all theoretical nonsense maymay
Here's some useful applied math for you
1+1=kill yourself you fucking degenerate baitposter
>>77133806
Math is literally the opposite of the frivolous bullshit that is western degeneracy. All the great mathematicians were not degenerates, even the Arab ones.
>>77138450
>1+1=kill yourself you fucking degenerate baitposter
Please define room properties
>>77137237
>analysis
that's not analysis anon...
I hated all my math teachers, and they all hated me. Maybe it's because I'm dyslexic. I have the mathematical skills of a 4th grader.
>>77133806
depends entirely on what kind of math, geometry and trig are good and practical examples of math which can be used to build all kinds of things.
the rest is either for jews or physics nerds
>>77138270
not possible. It's clear (((it))) will be unveiled at a time of great international turmoil as a "great unifier" to bring the world out of an engineered collapse. He/it is prophesied to wage a world war on the opposition, winning a lot, but facing enormous opposition, but winning. Then ruling for 3.5 years (2020-2023???) before getting BTFO
>>77134422
Yes, that's why you're using math right now to communicate. Idiot.
>>77134422
>Talk to this grill
>She's kinda bored and waiting for chad to call
>Suddenly i start talking about gaussian hypergeometric distributions like the autist i am
>She starts to tremble, drops to the floor and starts to gyrate to capture my semen
Math is the key to everything.
Sure thing Sweden.
>>77134426
>Majored in exercise physiology
Yeah, you've only done highschool maths, pleb.
>>77133806
>yeah! let's randomly start stigmatizing a discipline that has played a role in all of mankind's greatest discoveries and achievements! just because some of it is pointless and fun for certain individuals! and because I have a problem with most other things and because I said so! yay contrived and reactionary authoritarianism that believing in bolsters my insecure masculinity!
Shut the fuck up.
>>77133806
Enjoy modern life withou... wait a minute, you're swedish, no modern life for you anyway
>>77133806
Math is absolutely, without a doubt, totally degenerate.
>>77138816
>>le mathhead beaten by (own) language
classic
>>77133806
Math is satanic.
>>77138775
Merkel
Math, even with the elitist wankery that sometimes comes with, is one of the most important things in the modern world.
Math->Physics->Chemistry->Bioligy->Psychology->Socioligy
Literally everything comes from math ;^)
>>77135204
What about the financial stock crash? Could math save that?
Math is useful in fields with low complexity; aka, systems and gizmo's. People are horribly complex and often don't make sense, so what is math doing for you there buddy?
>>77133806
I study math in uni and am planning to use it in the finance industry.
I'd say Math is the least degenerate thing on this entire planet.
>>77139052
>Merkel
I don't think that's possible given the state of the world. She's too low energy, and not well liked. She' probably a lower-raking satanist in the Jewish cult who's been brainwashed and hypnoprogrammed too many times.
>>77138215
>Math is only used to measure properties
Ever taken a physics class?
>>77135204
Also cybersecurity uses a lot of group theory.
>>77133806
This approach is. A whole load of basically useless analysis that can only serve to cloud matters. Topology is not this complicated, OP is what happens when mathematicians try to commit their calculations to teachable, communicable prose and fail abysmally.
Also topology is fucking useless for anything but mathwankery, it might help a little with probability and stats but you can certainly get by without it.
>>77139237
You have chosen the wrong trait. Look around you, do you see non-degenaracy? Are You willing to die for eradicate degenaracy?
>>77139302
Obviously you haven't, whenever you take a measurement you're just evaluating a section at a point in space.
This thread really does make me believe most of /pol/ is not college educated.
>>77139478
What the hell are you talking about?
Like any other human language it is prone to becoming ideology.
That being said mathematics has become more faith-based since Newton published his Principia. In Newton's proofs for the Calculus he couldn't figure out how to make many of equations work out so he used illegal operations and other less than correct methods. Showing how the majority of mathematics has become faith-based since Newton requires a lot of writing which I won't do here. Plus it won't help to ask your teachers about the illegality of the proofs in the Principia unless your teacher happens to be someone like Feynman but even he knew about this and just fell back on, "Shut up and calculate!" as a maxim. Just sweep all the inconsistencies and errors of mathematics under the rug because what we use now sort of works and that's OK.
>>77135204
>t. triggered autist
>>77139557
I am literally a math phd student. The more you work on something the more disillusion you get.
>>77137745
I love maths. I hate mathematicians. We give them too much credit to the point of worship. But such is point of professional mathematics. Like any business, the point is to make their activity look like black magic. In academia, proofs may be reviewed, but more often than not, they're based on ill-thought-out assumptions that get lost in the prose complexity. And theorems pile up till they're getting inaccessible to the mere mortal. Every mathematical subject is being the possession of merely a handful of specialists. Really, it's a very very small world, and it's not very healthy.
To do maths, you only need two things: logic and axioms. It's not so hard to do. There's a whole field of CS that is getting its hands on automatic proving. But even there, it's hopeless, since automatic provers are being work of mathematicians for mathematicians, their complexity will withhold any attempt of clever use.
>>77139634
Dude what the hell are you talking about? Cauchy formalized a great part of mathematics as we know it.
>>77139708
What field senpai
Math past geometry/trig is useless in the real world and is degenerate. Statistics should be taught in place of calculus in high school.
>>77133806
This is actually the dumbest question ever posed on /pol/
congrats OP, you are a bundle of sticks
>>77139784
Probably measure theory because Swedes are autistic.
>>77139810
Statistics relies on probability relies on calculus.
>>77133806
you wouldn't even have a PC or internet or electricity or basically the modern world without math you stup.... you cool dude.. please stay in school.
>>77139810
>what is vector calculus
>what are differential equations
>what is group theory
>what are PDEs
>what is numerical analysis
>what is stochastic calculus
>what is complex analysis
All of these made the world around you into what it is today.
>>77139557
They'll tell you that college is for retards or pretend that they dropped out to start a no big deal small business that puts six figures in dey pockets
Math itself is under the dominion of Satan
>>77139905
This assumes you're doing the most basic way it's taught to undergraduate level.
>>77139604
>le future finance cellar dweller
We live in a world of degenaracy coursed with the age of (((de)))constructivist paradigms, or what /pol/ calls the jew. Maths can be a nice tool, but without being able to get behinde the unlogic of degenaracy and deconstruct it with its own language.
You chose the way of non-degenaracy, so either you are willing to go all in and fight the degenaracy or are going crazy, finaly killing yourself
>>77139810
>Math past geometry
>literally all of maths is geometry
>>77140023
Measure theory is a branch of calculus, probability theory is a branch of measure theory.
>>77133806
>guise I failed math and I want you to comfort me by saying it doesn't matter in life :'(((((
>>77138412
>Keyboard
>Computer science
You have it backwards. Basic registry and logic are what make keyboards function. Computer science is a product of that.
Besides, all of the advanced math in computer science is for modeling. Different methods of logic is not the same as high level advanced math, which is what this guy is saying is mental masturbation (which I kind of agree).
>>77134524
unlikely
t.Physicist
>>77139634
>Showing how the majority of mathematics has become faith-based
Nigga what? This is literally the dumbest shit i've read.
>>77140332
Yes, but since he's talking about math past geometry and trig, I assume he's talking about lower level education. At least at my university, undergraduate probability is not taught measure-theoretic.
>>77139528
Thanks for telling me what measurements are bongistan
>>77139905
That's fine but you don't need to understand calculus to understand statistics.
>>77138215
No. Turing deviced his formulation of Turing complete machines, crucial for implementation of actual physical computers, by studying a mathematical logic problem, one of the most abstruse fields in mathematics.
>>77137745
most people here are retarded stormfront users.
>>77133806
>it's basically mental masturbation
No. It's just a language. Language used for more practical stuff like physics and engineering. Polish, Swedish or English alone is useless, but the information it passes is valuable. Same with math. Math without context is useless, but when stuff can't be solved without means of passing information aka math.
But of all languages, math is the most precise and universal.
>>77140498
Very likely
>mfw he probably thinks the universe cares about what frame of reference you use too
t. mathematical physicist
>>77133806
Only if you just throw numbers together with no relation to the real-life systems they were created to model.
Using math to check your building design and ensure it can stand on its own for a hundred years: not degenerate
Using math to make up imaginary natural disasters and demand the world give you all their money and political power to "prevent" them: degenerate as fuck
>>77137745
>jew math
>go to shop
>buy stuff
>that'll be four pounds please
>hand over a tenner
>get five pounds change
jew math
>>77133806
>math degenerate
>mental masturbation
Nice to see fellow mathfags on /pol/.
>>77137237
>analysis
>Physics student
not surprised, not surprised at all tbqhwyf
>>77140885
Isn't that Algebra on the board?
>>77133806
>why don't we learn how to pay taxes at school?
>>77139994
>All of these made the world around you into what it is today.
Yeah, the world around us a shit, why would /pol/ exist otherwise?
You'll niggas need some good ol' Wittgenstein. It is the characteristic of progress to make itself look better than it really is.
>>77134835
>reminder that blue LED lights wouldn't have been discovered yet without quantum
>reminder that your GPS wouldn't work without relativity
>reminder that your uneducated shitpost is made possible via Fourier transforms
>>77141043
Pretty much, it's homology specifically: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homology_(mathematics)
Math is among of the other few things that humans have created that differentiates them from other animals.
>>77133806I am a mathematician and I say it is.
It is a completely degenerate subject
>cech cohomology on riemann surfaces
ayy
>>77134422
Are you a mathematician, anon? What's your subject?
>>77137237
>Arnol'd
Cool
>>77141289
How do you know that these inventions wouldn't have been figured out using completely different theoretical frameworks if they'd continued for all these centuries? The ends are all the matters not the means.
This is similar to my view on geocentric / heliocentric. Either model of the universe works out in terms of calculations, it's philosophical as to which one is used, just a matter of perspective.
Either you have everything rotating around the sun in ellipses, or you hold the Earth in the center and everything is going around it in complex epicycloids.
But the powers that be don't want us thinking the second way because it implies a designer of the universe who made Earth special.
>>77141735
ODEs are faggotry, real men do PDEs
>>77140731
Explain to me then how you would, say, formulate QFTs or solid state physic stuff in terms of homologies. Whats to gain there by doing that?
Homologies are for string theorists.
>mfw he probably thinks the universe cares about what frame of reference you use too
PhD in GR/cosmology
Cunts that do big sums are four eyed specky poofters
>>77141879
PDEs are degenerate, real men do SDG
>>77141289
bullshit
>>77140003
we have too many stormniggers on here.
>>77141996
Urs Schreiber might have a few things to say about that.
As Godel teaches us, second order logic is not degenerate-able (w.r.t. homomorphisms).
>>77140843
>Using math to check your building design and ensure it can stand on its own for a hundred years: not degenerate
Even that you can't ensure with just calculus. You could model an ideal environment where you can ensure that the building would never collapse, but outside of that environment, the possibilities are endless and the scenarios where the building will eventually collapse are too countless. At some point, you'll have to include a dose of pragmatism in your project: for example, choose the best materials, place your building in a safer location, etc.
Yeah, you could model these situations too, but you can't enumerate them all, you'll have to stop at some point if you want to get the things done.
>>77134422
>mathematician taking credit for maths used in physics
>>77133806
Math is the fullest expression of mans gift of reason. It is the purest expression of humanness.
>>77140669
>math is a language
When will this fucking meme end? It is not a language. It is more of a religion really. It is very hard to describe unfortunately.
>>77141879
PDEs are cool and all, but does it have spinning cats?
>>77136480
There is no big picture, that's the last red pill. It's minutiae all the way up.
>>77142117
>t. analyst
Synthetic Differential Geometry?
I don't know the subject, but smell fag.
Is that your subject?
>>77134153
Projecting this hard. I'm not op but math is god tier. I'm CS so slight bias
I wonder whose behind this thread
>>77142484
No, only lots of computations till you die. Computations are for men, anon.
If you do not compute, they win.
>>77137745
lurk moar faggot
>>77133806
knowing how things operate outside of your field of vision allows you to interact with them despite being blind. Science is the universal walking stick.
>>77142627
> Le Captain Obvious
Math was made by us, who do you think we could be?
>>77142520
Yes and no. I'm a mathematician/computer scientist in training and have category theory as a hobby.
>>77133806
It's necessary to everything. I'm not even excellent at maths but it's mandatory if you want to get real shit done.
>>77136480
It is really shocking how little mathematicians know.
>>77140885
>>77138669
Kek it was a typo
>inb4 more physicist jokes
P-pls senpai
This thread is literally the dumbest thread I've ever seen on /pol/. I have no more words for this
But in our time, education is overwhelmed by mathematics and on more than one score. For, while a contemplative interest in the properties of shapes and numbers is almost completely extinct, an illiberal and utterly inhuman form of mathematics dominates the years of learning of our boys and girls, almost completely from the very first year of the primary school to the very last year of college. In place of arithmetic and geometry, whose relation to reality is definite and understandable, there is now an indefinite confusion of branches which go by the name of mathematics, the nature of whose objects nobody understands! Such topics as topology, non-Eudidean geometry, Boolean algebra, transfinite numbers, projective geometry; not to speak of other more recognizable subjects like algebra, trigonometry, integral calculus, vector analysis and the theory of equations. These new subjects are not only more confusing but much more difficult to acquire, and therefore much less likely to leave the mind at leisure for other liberal studies. But the predominance of mathematics today is not restricted to those courses which go by its name, because mathematics, in some form or other, in matter or in method, has crept into every other corner of the curriculum. According to the modern positivistic conception, mathematics and not wisdom is considered as the prototype of science. In subjects ranging from physics to education, covering every field of human learning, there is an evident tendency to assimilate all knowledge to mathematical knowledge and to resolve all realities into mathematical formulas.
http://catholicism.org/mathematics-and-christian-education.html
>>77137745
> Grothendieck
> Wiener
> Hausdorrf
> Perel'man
> Jacobi
> Schwartz
> Weyl
> Bourbaki group
> Ulam
> Castelnuovo
> Landau
> Besicovitch
> Von Neumann
> Noether
> Erdos
> Sheelah
Totally not a jewish subject.
>>77142819
>category theory
is this actually something worthwhile studying? Have read an introductory text and it really doesnt seem to fruitful. Whats there to do with categories?
>>77134835
All physics do is about REAL world. That's literally the most practical science you can think of. just because you doesn't understand something it doesn't mean it's stupid or useless. Educate yourself or i gonna burn you, heretic.
>>77142819
Ahah I have some friend doing some CT.
They are all fanatics who spent their time masturbating on nLab tand trying to "categorify" other subject. I love them, they are very funny
>>77141996
If you take some manifold and are able to define any notion of "stuff" on it, say a Lagrangian that sets up a path integral, you're priming yourself for a co-homological setting
Nevertheless, physicist don't take the time for that language.
>>77142176
I post on the nLab once in a while, so I keep track of what he's doing, but it feels like he's stalling himself. Then again, he's basically alone so I don't blame him for anything.
Let's hope the HoTT revolution actualy takes place (unlikely at this point tbqh)
t. theoretical physicist
>>77143093
If you are into physics or algebra it is useful
>>77142121
>bullshit
You're in the wrong lad. Without relativity, your GPS wouldn't work because we wouldn't know why there is a delay between the ground and satellites.
>>77133806
Maths is a funny subject where the higher you get up the tree, the LESS useful you think it is.
Basic maths is essential, some higher maths is useful for the sciences. But literally 99% of research maths will never be used for anything (and indeed will never be read by more than a few hundred people).
Maths as an institution is kept aloft by the public assuming it is very important. It's really more like an arts degree, except actually interesting.
>>77142951
Yet you did have words :^)
If nothing silly was possible, nothing clever would ever get done.
>>77134178
There are no satellites, spherecuck. Math is a jewish invention used to trick you.
>>77143093
That's a very difficult and broad question. What's your field of study? I could perhaps relate that to something specific.
It's kind of like asking if it's worthwhile studying abstract algebra once you know number theory. It really depends on your background and your aspirations.
I personally it's very useful for mathematicians in general as it can serve as a very general, useful and precise language for describing structures, relations, and all the other higher-order stuff. I like it much more than set theory tbqh.
>>77143204
Oh yes, we're all like that.
>>77142450
But it is.
Word 'grass' is code for certain soundwaves that describe certain thing in the nature, in this case that short, green plants.
Number 1 is code for certain phenomenon of quantity you can apply to various stuff.
+ sign is code for certain phenomenon of operation on quantities.
In all cases you use language to pass the information. If you don't have grass to show, you use word 'grass' and everyone know what you're talking about. No actual grass is needed.
Ho do you tell operations and quantities? You use math. And you don't need actual numbers, in fact numbers don't exist, it's just abstract, code for certain situation, to pass information.
Really, no difference.
By your logic music is religion because audiophiles exist.
t. Fucking retard who cannot do math
>/pol/ has devolved to the point that now mathematics is degenerate.
What could be next.
>>77143463
Is it true that you all know each other? I give some Italian name
> Olivia Caramello
> Nicola Gambino
> Fosco Loregian
>>77138066
It's gotta be Elon Musk, then
>>77143269
HoTT/UF is cool, but the Cubical TT is the new hip kid on the block. You can even prove the UA in it.
>>77142176
Never heard of him. What does he do?
>>77133806
It's good brain practice
but people who are really into math tend to be autistic inadequate scum like 90% of the time
so math isn't degenerate but people into math or computer programming usually are
>>77143647
As I said, CT is only my hobby, so I don't know many people besides the most famous, but I believe that people actively researching things like type theory or in the realm of computational trinitarianism are quite familiar with each other.
>>77133806
no
math is the truest redpill
this is why normies, wymins, and dark skinned minorities can't into it
why do you think they invented Common Core?
is it any wonder Big Don is trying to destroy this abomination
#MakeMathGreatAgain
>>77138383
Philosophy is auto-fellatio
>>77143035
Too bad it has to take a catholic brother to grasp the nature of the disease that has bewitched maths. The problem is that being catholic makes you pretty much inaudible these days. You have to take things in a very cynical way in order to have a chance to be heard.
>>77143920
Ah ok. Remember it is all degenerate faggotry. Every time I speak with one of them we end up shouting because you know,
> I am an analyst
>>77143920
>people actively researching things like type theory or in the realm of computational trinitarianism are quite familiar with each other
I can confirm this.
>>77139159
My math prof. started the first lecture with this:
Biology is just applied chemistry
Chemistry is just applied Physics
Physics is just applied mathematics.
>>77144075
Yes, yes, classical analysis is bullshit, I can agree with that. Infinitesimal analysis ftw.
Looking up Olivia Caramello now, I couldn't recall the name, but I think she might have appeared as a waifu in a couple threads on /sci/.
>>77144175
Do you know the people I wrote above, anon?
> Finland
You study CT in Helsinky, do you? A friend of mine may come here to study fag subject, is it good?
>>77144192
And mathematics is just a branch of philosophy (depending on your definitions).
But of course it's possible that something very foundational is not actually something worth spending your time on. It would be like spending your life studying the alphabet instead of reading books.
>>77133806
Is there a way to put this sentence in a more mathematical way / scripture? I mean, If you cannot solve a proble with the same degree of complexity you formulate it, you should go beyond of the field of methemathics in order to deal with methemathics as a whole.
>>77143463
I have been studying GR/cosmology stuff. Inflation models and so on. But I am quite interested in mathematics and have found time to do that in my spare time. Therefore Im asking from a mathematical point of view not from a physics/application point of view.
I can understand that one can have fun in finding algebraic structures you already know again as categories. But is there anything else that warrants interest other than just abstracting? Are categories spanning more fields than just algebra or is it an exercise in abstraction only?
>>77133806
>mental masturbation
KEK. I like you OP.
>>77143602
>Thinking is degenerate.
>Living is degenerate
>Calling something degenerate is degenerate.
Has math gone too far?
Only math geeks will understand this picture.
>>77143602
Kek
>>77144308
> Infinitesimal analysis ftw.
Ifinitesimal analysis is the islam of math. It is a degenerate version of a pure one and everyone is defending it because
>it's 2016 dude
Do this faggotry remind you something?
> appeared as a waifu in a couple threads on /sci/.
I laughed so hard
>>77144175
How many type theorists are there in Finland, I wonder? I don't think I even know any Finnish mathematicians besides this crank.
>>77144708
Sheaves are degenerate faggotry too.
It comes as little surprise to me that most posters on this board comprise the same provincial cretins who feel equipped to dictate the proper terms of education, despite lacking the capacity to even learn calculus in high school.
>>77143093
If you want to "understand what mathematics is", then doing some formal logic+model theory and then some category theory is relevant.
I'm not going into the "worthwile" discussion. As a physicist, you might never have to come up with your own category theoretical proves in a paper you publish, but getting a feel whole things like a Cartesian closed category is part of the human experience, if you ask me.
>>77143351
I'd say more than 99% of published math is never used, and by that I mean it in the hard way: Even pure mathematicans later decades don't use most of the math published at one point.
>useless
People have no clue what math goes into the stuff they use.
You even find Galois theory (i.e. abstract algebra which can never be taught in high school) in safety measures for computer storage backups.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels#Parity_computation
Or people don't get that the question that lead Turing to his 30's paper and the universal computer is based on ideas by Gödel, which is based on questions by Hilbert from pre 1900 which are AUTISTICALLY abstract. If you'd stick with "it's abstract, don't persue it", then humans get nowhere.
>>77143670
Maybe cubical types are nice for some specialists, but the progress the CS autists (don't really mean it offensive, Bauer is a qt) make is far far far too slow. It must be pushed with a killer app soon, or it dies and keeps a speciality
>>77143757
Extending the differential geometry of SU(N) gauge theories pre quantization to more expressive gauge fields - which only works in higher category theory.
He's more or less alone, so it'll not take off. But he knows his shit and is the connection of the n-cateogry theory community to physics.
>>77144468
Category theory cleans up theories. E.g. it works out why theorems in different settings/theories look syntactically the same.
>>77144845
>>77143269
So if you want to do QFT in curved spacetime? Are there even any interesting physical examples of nontrivial homologies in general relativity? At best we get some singularity going in our manifolds.
>>77144845
Is that what type theory looks like? That's amazing, it actually looks like the fake notation that you'd see on CSI or something.
>>77133806
>get worried and depressed
>bring out old calculus text and pick random page
>start reviewing/re-learning
>get lost all over again
I suppose I could play vidya too, but believe it or not it is possible to play too much.
>>77144930
>If you'd stick with "it's abstract, don't persue it", then humans get nowhere.
Now this is true, of course. And this idea bewitches a lot of people into studying theory. They figure it's like playing the lottery.
But here's the historical truth: almost all of the relevant conceptual work is done by rare geniuses. Time and dedication don't pay dividends in the end. Just freak autist events.
Now it's still very fun, I'll give you that.
>>77133806
Swedes only have to know how many centimeters of cock to take from Muhammad.
>>77144984
Anon, you said you study GR.
The universe is asymptotically flat or compact (closed)?
>>77144389
I believe I've met Nicola Gambino.
>A friend of mine may come here to study fag subject, is it good?
Should be pretty good, though most people I know who care about CT do not focus primarily on it.
>>77144845
Small circles, though there is some new blood.
>>77144998
Doesn't seem like type theory to me.
>>77145525
> Advisor of the friend of mine
How is he?
Are you a PhD here?
>>77142450
Math is a language. It's specifically a development of symbolic logic, which is also a language.
Not all languages are natural languages.
>>77144815
>Ifinitesimal analysis is the islam of math.
HOL UP. I have personal antipathies against classical analysis since at least secondary school. I find all the ε-δ and continuity fiddling extremely daunting. I've never really believed in the analyst-algebraist dichotomy, but I often feel as though I'm very much the latter, up to the point that I can't get myself to study topology seriously.
Now, I know that Wildberger is a meme, but as a compsci I agree on a lot of things. I believe that excluded middle is evil, constructive mathematics is the mathematics of the future and intuitionistic logic is the way to go.
>>77145812
>Math is a language.
Not a chance. Maths notation might be a language***, but not maths.
Maths is more like a game.
>>77139188
Statistics isn't math, retard
>>77145460
we dont know for sure. We treat is as asymptotically flat for all its worth. About the global topology we really dont know anything.
>>77145177
>But here's the historical truth: almost all of the relevant conceptual work is done by rare geniuses. Time and dedication don't pay dividends in the end. Just freak autist events.
>don't pay dividends
It's all about enjoying your live while you live it, and working towards being able to enjoy it at moments that come beyond the present one.
>>77144984
Just like the standard task in basic finite group theory is to classify all finite groups, mathematicians naturally want to classify e.g. 4 dimensional manifolds, and metrics and so on. This sure involves (co-)homology. But it's extremely hard.
You see, say you want to integrate over all spacetimes to set up a quantum theory of gravity. You'd want to not integrate over equivalent spacetimes, so you need a classifications of them. Voila, you're already in the field.
My personal opinion is that it's all too hard and statistical physics is richer and more playful than the fundamental physics.
*there are cool pages on all the groups btw, check out the related links:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_small_groups#List_of_small_abelian_groups
>Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human. At best, he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear his shoes, bathe, and not make messes in the house.
>>77145961
It's a language, though there are many fun games you can play using it.
>>77146014
>It's all about enjoying your live while you live it, and working towards being able to enjoy it at moments that come beyond the present one.
Well sure, I can see that way of thinking. But that's actually inconsistent with the kneejerk defense of "well you never know when my maths might turn out to be useful!"
You've got to make peace with the thought that your maths might be pointless. Which I suspect you have, you're just trying to help the Cult by fooling the public.
>>77145944
Is this fresh pasta?
>>77145944
> I find all the ε-δ and continuity fiddling extremely daunting
All faggots say so, never understood this fact.
> analyst-algebraist dichotomy
Nobody believes it. it is a meme.
> I believe that excluded middle is evil, constructive mathematics is the mathematics of the future and intuitionistic logic is the way to go.
Dude, without the axiom of choice you go nowhere. I know about some studies about constructive maths, but they are still proving that [0, 1] is compact. Be serious.
>>77146007
Thanks, my MD thesis is about GR and we assumed our manifold to be compact. If it were asymptotically flat we would have killed someone
>>77146183
>Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human.
t. Robert Heinlein
>think math is cool
>suck ass at it
so I can do algebra n shit should I look into computer science
>>77133806
>Sven thinks math is degenerate.
Math brought us to the stars. Shut up.
If you hate math, go enjoy a BBC.
>>77145717
>How is he?
Brilliant, especially if you happen to tread on his topics, i.e. in this case mechanized mathematics (although brilliance in ones topic is usually a given in academia). I haven't seen him around that much to form a better image yet.
>Are you a PhD here?
I'm still working on my PhD to be honest. If by here you mean Italy then no.
>>77133806
Math for me is like a puzzle or a game piece. You just gotta figure out how to unlock it.
>>77146778
Thanks you. For "here" I mean in Helsinki, sorry.
>>77133806
> form of a social control
>>77145177
>But here's the historical truth: almost all of the relevant conceptual work is done by rare geniuses.
How completely and utterly truistic. These people are considered "rare geniuses" because they have done rare work. And I can assure you as a historical truth, they were people with GREAT dedication.
Human progress is not done by some "intangible miraculous force of pseudo-divine genius" it is done by (surprise, surprise) Humans. And I can assure you one of the many differences between the people who HAVE contributed and you is that THEY did not consider themselves bellow the prospect of contribution.
>>77146908
>For "here" I mean in Helsinki, sorry.
No problem. That's where I am, yes.
>>77147034
What's your subject? Just curious
>>77146543
To each his own I guess. Do you think Baby Rudin is OK if I wanted to give it another try? I've read Spivak as a freshman out of desperation, and generally liked it, but it wasn't very rigorous.
>>77146183
>>77146589
Is this real? When did he say that?
>>77146229
You wrong if you think I go into pure maths and hope for the best.
(Which, however, is not to say my life isn't a gamble)
>>77146965
I think you misunderstood me. I'm simply saying that the whole mathematician line of "well maths often turns out to be unexpectedly useful!" is intellectually dishonest.
Everyone goes into pure maths (or at least they should) with the assumption that they will NOT turn out to win the lottery. They will probably tinker around the edges and spend years doing things that the next genius will cover in a sweep of his hand.
The only real justification is that you like it. And I think the geniuses would agree.
