AN AR-15 KILLS PEOPLE NOT ANIMALS
>>77102228
>we aren't animals
>>77102228
>AR 15s are assualt rifles
>>77102228
AR15 is designed to wound. It's a NATO round
>>77102228
The .223 is arguably the best round for home defense.
>>77102228
Ar15 is a hunting rifle, it functions exact same way any "normal" hunting rifle does, i wont be lectured on gun rights by people who know nothing of guns.
>>77102601
You can use several different ammo styles in ar15
Cool fact about nato rounds you learnedon a reddit til thread faggot
>Don't use good guns to hunt.
>Use shitty little .22s instead.
Bitch please, I'd use an RPG if I could.
>>77102228
>Assault Weapon
>>77102891
That's not the stereotypical ar15 though is it. Thanks for flexing your expertise on a non issue though
>>77102612
>my favorite death machine is the best for home defense
You would say that.
>2016
>not hunting the most dangerous game
>>77102228
I don't understand why liberals keep using this argument. No one who owns that gun has ever claimed they need it for hunting. People get them because they're fun to shoot and/or they want an effective weapon to kill intruders or tyrannical government fucking shits which is the right granted to us by our bill of rights.
>>77102228
Most AR-15s never kill anyone. Just because some AR-15s are used to kill people, doesn't mean that all AR-15s are like that. 99.9% of AR-15s have never been shot at anything but paper targets. That goes for pretty much any gun. #notallguns
>you will never hunt a velociraptor
>>77102228
But the .223/5.56 is perfect for hunting varmints such as coyotes and other threats to stable agriculture.
And the 5.56 was made to kill via wounding.
>>77103130
Lots of hunting rifles take .223 friend
>>77102228
>There will never be a perfectly good/valid reason to kill another human being
What happens in a brain that it sees a murderous rampage on TV and thinks "jesus what a maniac, I better give up the one thing I could use to protect myself in that situation!"
>>77102601
You're a fucking retard. And you could actually own an AR. That's sad
>>77103311
AR15 is the weapon of peace.
>>77103130
He mentioned his favorite round. And at the very least the vast array of specialist rounds in .223 offers a lot of flexibility.
>>77102228
Where in the 2nd amendment does it mention hunting? I've read it a million times and can't find it.... :(:(:(
>>77103319
>Lots of death machines take .223 friend
>5.56 for killing people
>not using 7.62 full NATO to make people literally explode
>>77102228
>kill them, not me waaaaa
what a whiny bitch. people who think it's ok to shoot animals should shut up when someone wants to shoot them instead
>>77102228
>AN AR-15 KILLS PEOPLE
That's the point.
>>77102228
Why can't we have one place on Earth with guns?
>>77103130
The .223 is a round, not a rifle. You can fire it in a number of guns. I don't own an AR; I use a Ruger 14 mini. Matter of preference really.
http://www.alloutdoor.com/2015/02/24/home-defense-case-low-penetration-rounds/
>>77102228
I'd like to point out that the deadliest school shooting so far was done with a glock and a walther
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_shooting
you can kill people with a scary black gun, you can kill them with a wooden gun, they're still dead
>>77102228
Fucking pussy cocksucker. I took a t-Rex out with a pistol
>>77103543
Too heavy to carry multiple magazines.
>>77102228
Well using an AR-15 for hunting is a little over the top.
Probably fun as hell, as shooting anything WITH anything, but totally not needed.
Im a big fan of cross bow or bow hunting myself.
An AR-15 isn't aa great hunting weapon since it isn't powerful enough to take down most animals. You would use a higher caliber rifle for anything deer sized or larger. Though it would be a decent weapon for the farmer worried about wolves getting to livestock.
But all of these is irrelevant since the intent and purpose of the second amendment has nothing to do wwith hunting.
>>77103193
Nice reference rainsford
>>77102601
5.56 was designed so soldiers could carry more ammo because it was more important for soldiers to carry over twice the ammo with enough capability vs half the ammo with capabilities far and above what they would need 99% of the time.
>>77102228
AR 15 is around 60 years old and was first put into the market in 1957 if I remember correctly.
Also considering just about every single firearm action ever designed was "designed to kill people" in a military context this isn't a valid argument.
>>77102228
In all honesty the only type of animals that people hunt with AR's are predators. Call someone a pussy if you want. But if you fuck up whilst hunting them you can die
>>77103030
Some Americans use miniguns to hunt wild hogs
>>77102228
>he thinks people hunt with AR-15s
>>77102228
We need to stop pussyfooting around this and take it head on and unapologetically as Trump has shown the way.
The assault rifles are for Hillary's diversity death squads, not deer.
>>77103967
>>77102228
>sports commentary
>thinking he has a brain to think about things
>>77102228
>unironically calling gay people animals
>>77103193
jai alai?
>>77102228
>the 2nd amendment is for hunting
ayyyyy yeah you yanks, predators don't exist
>>77103788
>Well using an AR-15 for hunting is a little over the top
No it isn't
It is actually underpowered for most and when hunting wild hogs it is extremely good for the role.
Go look up hog hunting videos on Iv8888 YouTube or the Military arms channel on YouTube
>>77104099
Good I wasnt the only one who read that the same way.
>>77104140
Rotherham would disagree Britbong
>>77102228
>Unless you are cucking the Predator or a swede, if you claim you need a Muslim for tolerance, you are a HUGE PUSSY. See, when you make up bullshit like you need pedo worshipers to diversify a city, youre (sp) putting more importance on your dumb ass diversity over the lives of people. Make no mistake: ISLAM WAS DESIGNED FOR GOAT FUCKERS< NOT PEOPLE.
>mfw .223 is illegal for deer in Australia
>because it's too small
>>77103967
It's literally the most popular hunting rifle in the country you faggot
>>77103788
>Well using an AR-15 for hunting is a little over the top.
>jewmoney in charge of guns
>>77103446
I do. Not really retarded to assume an ar is 223. What do you assume a colt 1911 is? And why are you so angry
>>77102228
>bill of needs
0/10 apply yourself.
>>77102228
>AR-15 kills people not animals
>50 animals killed on Sunday
Also, the gun laws targetting AR15s also affect regular semi automatic rifles. Obama has already prevented loads of legacy M1 Garands from South Korea, and those aren't assault rifles.
The reaction to gun control stems from the fact that once the left gets it's databases and registries, competent gun owners will still be prevented from owning weapons that should be absolutely legal for them.
But, its always take, take, take. That's why their called gun grabbers.
>>77102228
>you will never people on a private island with a milsurp M16A1 and a fully fun switch
Why. Live.
>>77104076
underrated post
>>77104514
Literally the only reason for registries is to make them easier to confiscate.
>>77102228
Based Greek article coming through
>https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tokoulouri.com%2Finternational%2Fviolent_guns%2F&edit-text=&act=url
>>77103859
Definitely also part of the design friend, but the NATO wasn't meant to kill, it was meant to remove soldiers from the battlefield
>>77103788
>Well using an AR-15 for hunting is a little over the top.
.300 Blackout is great for deer and a semi-auto is arguably necessary for wild hog hunting (where the goal is to kill a few before they can scatter).
Not that any "need" is relevant to my rights.
>>77104624
Please, just stop posting.
You're an absolute retard.
It was designed to be smaller and lighter will still retaining adequate lethality.
At no stage in the design process did they think "Man, this is great, but how can we make it less effective?"
>>77102228
Yup. And so long as psychos continue to run our country, I'll keep my guns on hand to shoot those people if they ever get out of line.
>>77104627
.223 NATO is a 5.56 NATO
.223 Rem is a 5.56 rem
I know what you're saying nomenclature wise though friend
>>77102228
>You can use your AR to kill a 15 kg velociraptor
>It's overkill for that 250 kilo deer though
No gun fag proving they're fucking idiot witth no real world knowledge
>>77102228
>call people don't agree with me pussy
>that will show them
>>77104760
Wounded soldiers having to be carried out is effective friend
You dont need those scary black plastic 'salt guns. Just look at my garand here, its nowhere near the kind of killing machine those ar-15's are, because its wooden instead of black.
>>77103231
Right? It's funny because liberals claim the govt is super corrupt and evil, that cops are racist, etc; but trust them with taking away our guns...
Liberalism is a fucking mental disorder.
I've considered the 223 to be great for small game hunting. You can even hunt deer with it. However if you're going to hunt mule deer or elk you're going to want something bigger. Anything from the .270 on up has worked for me.
But he's absolutely full of shit for thinking that the .223 can't be used for hunting.
>>77104435
What? You said that an AR was designed to wound, and that's retarded. The fuck are you on about?
And I'm not mad, but it's sad that someone that could actually own the damn thing still buys into the "designed to wound" meme
>>77102228
This is the most strawman argument liberals use and conservatives love to play into. "I-i-i go hunting all the time with my AR-15." The comeback is that the second amendment has a very specific purpose, for killing people, not animals.
>>77103711
Go back to sleep, Lara.
>>77104908
Nice gun, but I would prefer my AKM when fighting a tyrannical govt.
>>77104964
Nah, that's really not true.
Politicians aren't people.
>>77103537
>instead of using logic and reason, I'll resort to emotional buzzwords and general misinformation
>>77104943
Wounded soldiers are more expensive than dead ones. If much rather be shot with 556 than 762
>>77105027
My bad, its for killing jewish alien reptiles.
>>77105065
>yfw 7.62x39 has a much worse track record of actual lethality than 5.56
Post your guns faggot
With opinions like yours there's no way you're over 18
Confiscation day is going to be hilarious
I got the preppers over the ATF agents but that's just me
>>77105044
>rifles aren't death machines
I'd love to hunt a velociraptor or the Predator, even if it got me killed.
>>77105065
...
How old are you?
>>77102228
The AR15 was actually developed as a sporting rifle, to kill deer and other shit, the AR10 was the military breed.
>>77105138
I'm at work friend. And show me those sources on the track record? Probably biased information considering the countries using 762 are usually getting btfo so there's no real fair evidence.
>>77104760
Just quit the Canadian army, learned all about our NATO standards there
We use 5.56 because it wounds. Killing a soldier is only killing one soldier, if you wound him the enemy has to use up at least 4 more soldiers + resources to medically evacuate them.
A wounded soldier hurts the enemy tactically moreso than a dead soldier
Daily reminder:
It's not about hunting. Libs love the smell of scarecrow in the morning.
>>77105246
22 this July friend, and you
>>77105014
>Nice gun, but I would prefer my AKM when fighting a tyrannical govt.
Fuck "tactical" guns period. I will take a .300 Weatherby hunting rifle over any semi-auto. Beyond being significantly less likely to be killed as I can shoot them from farther away than their effective range, I can also pierce body armor, vehicle doors, and engine blocks with relative ease.
Hit and run nigga. Don't let yourself get close enough that they can quickly outgun you or surround you.
>>77105303
Based Canada bro bringing the facts
>>77104892
Nice meme
>>77105282
>>77105303
Holy fuck. Two of you?
How?
>>77105303
What if the other side is Soviet Russia or Islamic extremists who don't actually care about their wounded?
>>77102758
No one considers it a hunting rifle outside varmints.
>>77105282
Since everyone's using FMJ, it basically just punches holes in people while 5.56 is better at tumbling and fragmenting.
They kind of level out when you're using more specialised ammo, though.
>>77105303
So why not use .22LR?
>>77104624
>Posting fudd lore
>>77105452
Sorry friend, the NATO round is logistical in design. May I see your sources now?
>>77104892
So much this. You kill an enemy and its just 1 out. You wound at best its 2 maybe 3 carrying his ass if they give a shit.
>>77104294
>>77105138
He meant 762 nato you dumb nigger, SP 7.62x39 would fuck your day up
>>77102228
I seriously have never heard of anyone choosing an AR-15 as their primary weapon when it come to hunting, so I have no fucking idea where this non-argument is coming from.
>>77102228
It can kill anything you want it to kill. Except plants, fungus, bacteria, viruses, and elephants, it would just make them mad.
>>77105370
Stop watching discovery channel and taking it for a fact. You're old enough to read big boy books.
>>77102228
My right to own a gun IS more important than the lives of other people.
>AN AR-15 WAS DESIGNED TO KILL HUMANS
So?
>>77105216
They are not, they are in fact tools. Nothing more. The fact that you can neither accept or understand this proves that you are basically arguing about things that you have no knowledge of, and are only interested in emotional, knee jerk reactions. This is a very flawed thought process, if you want to continue this discussion you should educate yourself.
>>77105581
It's like you've never had prairie dogs on your land.
>>77103820
>An AR-15 isn't aa great hunting weapon since it isn't powerful enough to take down most animals.
You know how I know you've never fired a gun in your life?
>>77105359
t. katana weeaboo of the gunworld
>>77105641
>you are ignorant if you believe death machines are death machines
>>77105501
Agreed on the nature of the rounds. But the 5.56 would still leave a man wounded, for longer, before bleeding out. What a glorious round.
>>77105529
Military channel and shit :^)
Doing my best to argue logically friend
![5ebea5c3422b0ce6b183a1a183e3eac7[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/LlXjNPC.jpg "5ebea5c3422b0ce6b183a1a183e3eac7[1].jpg")
>>77102228
>Make no mistake: AN AR-15 WAS DESIGNED TO KILL HUMANS
Yes. Yes it is. Just like the Founders intended, you treasonous liberal faggot. I hope it gets used very often, very soon. It's well past time that Americans fulfill their civic duty.
>>77105661
That is very true. I've never had to deal with those shit heads. I go deer and duck hunting, so my AR isn't exactly my preferred firearm for that.
>>77105625
Still no sources, can you even own guns in your country?
>>77105549
Of course it's logistical, 5.56 weighs less than 7.62! As a soldier with a G3 I carried 100 rounds of 7,62 and the guys with G36 carried 180 rounds 5.56 for about the same weight. But the 5.56 being designed to wound? Just stop. Go visit /k/ if you want. Better penetration, more fragmenting an more internal damage don't make for good "wounding rounds" you bloody idiot.
Remember when everyone was shitting themselves over snipers.
Go ahead ban "assault" rifles that'll just be the first step. People aren't going to stop killing each other just cause some faggots in a big faggoty building write down they can't
>>77105303
>We use 5.56 because it wounds. Killing a soldier is only killing one soldier, if you wound him the enemy has to use up at least 4 more soldiers + resources to medically evacuate them.
This is fudd lore that also permeates the military.
The .223 was a more powerful version of the .222 Remington, a varmint round which was designed to kill it's target with a flat trajectory that ensured you would hit on target. The military was considering this round but they viewed it a little too weak, so Remington stretched the case out a bit to increase the powder charge and deliver a more potent round, which in turn lead to the .223 Remington and the (slightly higher pressured) 5.56 NATO. The military's entire development with the cartridge was one of making more and more powerful versions of it. Neither Remington in their original .222 design nor the final 5.56 NATO round had anything to do with fucking "wounding" a target.
>>77105876
>Go visit /k/
We don't want him either
>>77105876
Fragmentation causes wounds
I just said it's logistical
What point are you making here?
Any evidence?
>>77105452
>>77105463
We do not fight attrition warfare anymore, a battlefield commander does not make up their plan attempting to throw soldiers at the enemy until one side runs out of soldiers.
The best way to fight is to destroy their capabilities to fight, and their will to fight.
If you wound the enemy, them screaming and kicking will mentally affect their team members. The soldiers on the ground will try to save their friends, even if not commanded to. Every piece of medical equipment used on a wounded soldier is a piece denied for use by the enemy in the future. This is how modern wars are fought.
We don't give a fuck about Islamic extremists or Soviet tactics when we create our military doctrine. We arm our soldiers for the most devastating near-peer enemy, not to fight guerillas.
>>77105501
.22 Is not powerful enough to travel long distance, nor is it powerful enough to pierce armor, nor does it have any sort of stopping power. Don't be stupid, aussie
Arguing about guns sounds so fucking autistic. There's no way any of you fat fucks could protect yourselves.
>>77105894
This.
>>77105859
http://www.futurefirepower.com/myths-about-the-nato-556-cartridge
Yes, we can own guns. And we do use them if we join the military. And you are the one that needs to present a source.
>>77106089
You are so gay haha
>>77105981
>Browsing /k/ when noguns
>>77106079
Says the guy who's probably unfit as hell, never trained martial arts in his life and doesn't own a single gun.
>>77106128
Who said I'm noguns?
>>77102228
Yes it was designed to kill humans. That's why I want one, to kill any humans who try to hurt myself or my family.
>>77102228
Well, it killed 50 animals 2 days ago in Orlando
>>77102455
>>77102338
Starting off strong
>>77106167
Timestamp
>>77105303
>if you kill your enemies they win
>>77103446
5.56 NATO was designed to maim, not kill.
>>77104461
>>77106029
>Fragmentation causes wounds
Yeah, try staying alive with a ruptured spleen, kidney, stomach and with a piece of metal in your heart, and several other all around your torso, and then come back to me.
>>77106053
I see pot and animal fucking took yet another victim. Rip in leaves
>>77106211
Lol, fuck off.
I'm not getting out my guns and taking photos at quarter to midnight.
Have another take of that same picture which I've never posted anywhere else.
Also, post a timestamped pic of your guns.
>>77102228
What is an assault weapon?
>>77104908
God I love those guns, looks great anon
>>77103080
All different variants of .556 can be fored out of any ar15 or any rifle that takes the caliber.
>>77106167
Nice SMLE ausbro. If that's actually yours anyway.
>>77106053
>We don't give a fuck about Islamic extremists or Soviet tactics when we create our military doctrine. We arm our soldiers for the most devastating near-peer enemy, not to fight guerillas.
We should. Because we're only facing guerillas at this time. And the coming wars might be wars of attrition.
And do you think Islamic generals will care about using gas and chemical weapons? If anything Islamists have proven time and time again that they don't give a shit about Western rules.
Our doctrine needs to be constantly changing.
>>77106234
Oh boy...
>>77106167
What's the gun on the left?
>>77105876
> As a soldier with a G3 I carried 100 rounds of 7,62 and the guys with G36 carried 180 rounds 5.56
>Soldier
>Carrying 100 rds or 180 rds
I get it, 5 mags x 30 rds each = 180, but no soldier actually only brings 5 mags.
Also I don't know why you think anyone would want input from a portugal soldier, we have actual military experience in this thread - and our countries actually have modern doctrine.
gun collectors are well known murderers
>>77106310
Pic related
>>77106396
Thanks m8
>>77106425
Winchester Wildcat, it's basically a Winchester-branded TOZ-78
>>77106423
I was in the US Army you fucking retard.
>>77105303
Not to mention if you kill your enemy they win
>>77106428
>Also I don't know why you think anyone would want input from a portugal soldier, we have actual military experience in this thread - and our countries actually have modern doctrine.
You surely don't. And sorry if I don't want the opinion of a dog fucker.
Yes, soldiers will take more rounds on patrol, but the standard is 5 mags. That doesn't defeat the point that 5.56 weighs less than 7.62 and that's why it's used, not because it was designed to wound.
And no doctrine of no army says you should only wound your enemies. Well, maybe Canada's, with the whole "you kill them, they win, and fuck dogs and smoke pot LMAO".
>>77106286
Portugal, you're literally nothing. Don't call us leafs, you haven't earned it.
>>77106400
No. No. No. A doctrine that is constantly changing is flawed and useless. A military procurement program that switches enemies on a whim is impractical and dangerous. You arm the majority of your military for the most dangerous possible threat, and for smaller threats you can specifically arm them.
"Oh shit guys, Russia attacked. Hold on, give us 24 months to change our entire doctrine, procurement, and manufacture the materials we need for this fight. Also we need to re-train the soldiers on the new doctrine"
>>77105673
>using a .223 on a deer past age 12 when you can handle real recoil
You know how I kno you've never been hunting before? Sure you can kill a deer with perfect shot placement but anything less than perfect and you're tracking that bitch for an hour or two. And if you shoot it at dusk now you've gotta find it in the dark and you can't leave it or the damn coyotes will get it. When you sit out in the woods for a week just to get one single shot at a deer, your gonna want that one shot to count. I use a .270 wsm. No deer had made it more than 20 yards after I shot it.
>>77106482
Then you are simply either stupid or you are gullible enough to perpetuate stupid myths. Or you weren't in the military at all.
>>77102228
>the 2nd amendment was written for hunting purposes
>>77106735
He's almost right though
Just look at all the sympathy for faggots today. All the disgusting homos acting like they're victims of something terrible.
Omar killed his enemies, the fags, but the fags are winning.
Tbh there's never been a more disgusting, self righteous, victim playing group than homosexuals in the United States.
>>77106797
And you just described the exact reason that I never joined the military.
>hey guys maximizing our effect is going to take too long and we have to pay for nigger welfare instead of better equipment, let's let people die for these reasons
Thanks for confirming that I made the right decision.
>>77102228
>Velociraptor
>A poodle sized dinosaur
Good job dipshit
>>77106943
Holy fuck dude, your drill sergeants even tell you the round is designed to maim your enemy, we don't come up with this shit on our own.
>>77106797
>you're literally nothing
You're right, it's 2016 and animal fucking is still a crime, in this Shithole :-/ I wish I could go to Canada and raise horses.
And yet you're getting lectured by nothing. Must suck, I guess.
>>77106791
Patrols where? Doing what? What the fuck are you talking about, your military doesn't do anything, why would we want your input on this?
And if there is one thing nobody gives a fuck about regarding infantry soldiers, it's how much weight we are carrying. We step off with over 110 lbs of shit on our backs at a minimum, before we start overburdening ourselves with extra ammunition for the section and platoon weapons.
The weight of ammo is negligible for a modern soldier, a front-line load of 5 mags (never used anymore) would make up maybe 2 or 3 lbs. Our plate carriers alone weigh more than 5 full reloads of front line issue, before any of the extra shit we carry.
You're out of your element, Portugal. And you have been for over 100 years
>>77103760
>claims 7.62 NATO is too heavy to carry multiple mags
Are you gay or just female?
>>77102758
If you need an AR to hunt you're a huge faggot. Learn to aim or just get your meat at the supermarket.
>>77102228
It is not a case of need. It is a case of want.
A free man what's or needs a free man, if he can afford it, gets.
Who is this person, who died so he could become queen of the fairys, and dictate what a free man can have.
>>77103311
What makes this argument better than the #notallmuslims argument is that owning a gun says nothing about someone's beliefs while being a muslim says everything about someone's beliefs.
![hamburger[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/cFZhaSi.jpg "hamburger[1].jpg")
>>77107431
Wanna know how I know you've never shot a gun in your life?
>>77107431
>no true scotsman
Just stop dude
>>77103312
I doubt you'd get a chance to hunt a single velociraptor. 5 guys with guns hunting 5 velociraptors sounds incredibly exciting though.
>>77102758
You don't go hunting with a 30-round magazine. The only purpose of that many shots is shooting up large numbers of people. You don't understand the ethics of hunting if you think it's about standing in a field and blasting away with a semi-auto until you've created total carnage.
Also, you're a faggot.
>>77106128
B-b-but I'm just waiting for my BCG to arrive.
>>77107558
Yeah, you're right. Generally people have 10 or 20 round magazines for hunting.
The 30 rounders are for people like you.
In fact, they're for you specifically.
>>77107470
I may "need" a bazooka or 60 pounds of c4 but regardless of my need and ability to pay for it, it's still illegal. If anybody is a queen of fairys its you, you illogical faggot.
>>77107558
Also, in countries like Australia it's exactly about "standing in a field and blasting away until you've created total carnage".
Our main goal for hunting is environmental conservation.
We aren't trying to preserve pig and rabbit populations, we want to genocide the fuckers.
If we can kill every single one of them, then we'll be happy.
And yes, people hunt with golf clubs.
>>77107558
>until you've created total carnage.
Not that guy, but this is exactly what I want. I don't hunt deer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUjpr1UdPj8
>>77107126
>, your drill sergeants even tell you the round is designed to maim your enemy, we don't come up with this shit on our own.
R-Really? I... Man, I can't believe that. How? Why?
>>77102228
IM in western washington. And mexican brown.
Im wearing my trump shirt today :)
This is gonna cause all kinds of uncomfortableness for the hippies up here.
remember to laugh at these people as the pussies they are.
>>77107918
>tfw you will never genocide pigs out of a helicopter with an AR-15 shotgun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89UliEiQQyU
>>77107696
You're not hunting properly if you think it's CoD. I grew up shooting rabbits and roos. The hunters who deserve respect are the ones who don't waste ammo, don't take a shot unless they're confident of a kill, and true to give the animal the most humane death possible. Semi-autos with massive cartridges aren't about that at all. They're military weapons for killins humans.
This is the kind of shit that only belongs in war zones:
>Standard issue magazines are 20- or 30-round staggered-column magazines and traditional box magazines exist in 40- and 45-round capacities. Drum magazines with 90- and 100-round capacities, such as Beta C-Mags are available, as well. Low-capacity magazines, usually of a 5- or 10-round capacity, are available to comply with some areas' legal restrictions, for hunting, and for benchrest shooting, where a larger magazine can be inconvenient. Surefire is now offering extended capacity magazines in 60- and 100-round capacity configurations. These are of a staggered column design, dubbed casket magazines due to their shape.
>>77106310
It varies. In britbongistan an assault weapon is usually another word for a metal spoon, or a particularly threatening hat.
In liberal America an assault weapon is usually considered as anything with a high capacity magazine and a semi automatic/fully automatic firing mechanism
>>77108009
Because maybe they've had the fucking experience of going to some sandy country and actually shooting that round into enemy combatants and seen firsthand what it will do when it pings someone at say, 250-400 yards?
>>77102228
No shit it was designed to kill humans. That is precisely why we have the 2nd amendment and why I own one.
Why do these idiots think stating the obvious is some huge zinger?
>>77102228
But people are just smart animals.
>>77108089
Not with an AR shotgun, but I have with a Mosin because I'm a faggot like that. Would love to do it again, but that shit is expensive & places are beginning to stop with their heli shooting tours because the new trend is killing hogs with tannerite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGYCHfyOty4
>>77108032
>CZ 75
Truly patrician. Why would anyone want a Glock when you can have a superior, steel-framed czechnological wonder?
>>77107909
Seriously, in southern NSW where I grew up, there was a lot of vermin control that was needed, but there was a divide between the old-school, high-skill shooters who would just kill efficiently and humanely, and the faggots who would buy a slab of VB, shoot up street signs with shotguns, and blast away wastefully with too much ammo at whatever the fuck moved. These are the kinds of asswipes represented in Kenneth Cook's Wake in Fright. They deserve complete contempt.
>>77106428
You don't need that many rounds if you point the end of the gun at your enemy and shoot them.
>>77108128
>You're not hunting properly
If the animals are dying, you're doing it properly.
If it's game animals, then sure - go for ethical kills, don't waste the meat etc.
But if it's rabbits, I don't give a fuck as long as they die.
Accidentally gut shot it and need to finish it off with a cricket bat? Go for it.
Want to go out vaporising rabbits with the .303? Go for it.
All that matters is that they die.
Also, in what sense is .223 a "massive cartridge"? You're completely fucking retarded.
Any gun can be used for anything and you are free to use them however you want as long as it's legal.
>>77103944
The eternal porker must be removed
>>77108346
>Contempt for people who are saving the environment while you're sitting here fucking it up
>>77102228
Actually 5.56 is designed to wound not kill.
>>77102228
An AR-15 is kinda weak for hunting tbqh senpai
>>77107099
Large poodles though. Who were agile and had razor sharp claws. I'd argue that a weapon with a high rate of fire would be useful for hunting something that quick.
>>77108349
meant to say magazine, not cartridge. And where I grew up, there was a difference between the shooters who see life as something important and try to keep killing as a respectfully, professional business, and the sadistic faggots who love blood and damage and killing. These are the kinds of psychos who shouldn't be shooting and pose a danger to everyone.
>>77102228
>DESIGNED TO KILL HUMANS, NOT ANIMALS
So was the second amendment.
>>77105303
Skeletor is that you?
>>77108521
So you're saying that you'd like to see the environment get completely destroyed as long as your notion of noble hunters is upheld?
Please, never come back.
>>77108349
ty based aussie shitposting
>>77107526
I've fired guns countless times, I regularly go hunting, and I've never needed a semi automatic weapon.
>>77107126
Why would you use the Drill Sargeant as a source and not the weapons engineer? Did you ever go behind the desk and study the weapon and it's applications?
The 5.56 round was designed to make soldiers be able to carry more ammo, almost double than 7.62. The only directive the men that developed the cartridge got aside from minimizing weight was to be able to penetrate a steel helmet at 300 meters. Think of the calculations necessary to make a round designed to "wound". Does it only wound a target starting from what range up until what other end of the spectrum? Is it really better to just wound a target at 100~400 meters and risk not taking him out of the fight or is it better that when it actually hits someone, that person stays out?
Not only that, but really, riflemen count for a very small part of combat kills. Even in the US with it's doctrine of accurate rifle fire during the cold war and persists until this day with the Marines in a way, mortars, artillery, machinegunners, air support is what gets most of the kills. Suppression is the name of the game today, and just wounding someone in the rare occasion it does hit is not going to cut it.
>>77108089
>killing shit from a helicopter
>not playing fortunate son
>>77103311
>>77103476
We need to meme this into existence. Kek wills it
>>77107558
>I know nothing about guns or hunting
>>77107526
Not an argument
>>77108649
>fortunate son
You mean it ain't me
>>77105673
Kek, you have no idea what you are talking about.
>>77108603
I'm all for vermin control. There were paddocks where I grew up that were so undermined with rabbit warrens that you couldn't walk through them without falling through. Just don't turn vermin control into a sadistic blood sport that breeds psychopaths. Treat killing as a serious business and life as worthy of respect. The real give away is when people combine alcohol with shooting. These people are doing it completely wrong.
>>77108641
Post a picture of your guns faggot
>inb4 five Rem700s, all covered in DIY realtree camo tape
>>77103130
The point of home defense is to incapacitate and/or kill intruders with minimal damage to your home. So using an AR with 223 makes sense
>>77104200
Huh, thought you needed more punch for boars.
>>77108408
No, that's just a myth. Wounded enemies are still dangerous.
>>77108758
So you're saying that you'd rather a rabbit was alive than if it was killed with two shots?
Are you the same with cane toads?
That you should carefully stalk them through the forest rather than using them to practice your golf game?
>>77102228
Some animals look like people. They require being destroyed too.
>>77108392
>saving the environment one street sign at a time
You Aussies have it tough, street sign war now?
>>77104908
This thing is way cooler though. Really should get that hunting license once my economic situation gets a bit better.
>>77108972
The people he's talking about are literally just a strawman of the classic bogan.
He just hates 99% of the population because we value the environment above the life of a shitty rabbit.
>>77108645
Have you actually ever fired the round outside of CS:GO?
If some DS who spent almost 3 years shooting that round at sand niggers tells me that 5.56 fired out of an M4 will most likely wound someone at 300 yards, I believe him. The very next thing he said was, "that's why we fire in controlled bursts," though.
If he was saving money and using milsurp ammo then he was probably firing FMJ rounds which are designed to keep their shape on the way through the human body; minimizing the damage done.
This was pretty much mandated in the Geneva convention which outlaws the use of "Expanding rounds" for war. i.e. You have to use less ammunition that leaves a treatable wound.
So using military ammunition actually makes a shooting less deadly than if he was using "civilian" ammunition.
Like if he was using a rifle chambered for a pistol cartridge and spraying .38 special hollowpoints at people, it would have been a lot gorier.
>>77108782
I don't own a gun, I don't have any need for one. I live in a safe neighborhood and I have a large knife hanging by my door.
>>77102228
I own an AR 15 to kill people, as the constitution intends.
>>77109184
>I regularly go hunting
>I don't own a gun
Bowhunter, or just inconsistent shill?
Why not go all the way and hunt with grenade launchers?
>>77108799
Depends on the boars.
90% of boars can be taken humanely with a 69gr ballistic tip. Mostly less then a year or two old sort of stuff.
About 5% can be taken with a 243 or 260.
Next 4% you want a .308 for.
The top 1% is .300 Win Mag territory. You get some real old massive cunts of a pig and thats when you really want some power.
>>77109258
I have family who owns hunting rifles and shotguns. I don't live near any decent hunting spots but they live in Texas.
>>77102228
AR-15 is not a good way to kill people.
If it was me, I would go to gardening shop. At a price of AR-15 I would buy some chemicals and at the end of the day, I would be left with 100 Kg of explosives.
>>77102228
There's no need for the 2nd Amendment since the government isn't going to take your guns
So turn in your guns because the government says so
>>77109184
>large knife hanging by my door
You mean your bedroom door, right?
>>77102601
>found the guy who washed out of boot camp
>>77109450
I have a knife in my nightstand and a knife by my front door.
>when leftshits get triggered by semi-autos that look scary
:^)
>>77102758
I lol'd out loud
>>77103080
you're an idiot
>>77108758
when they actually want to cull things they prefer poison and other tactics
the guy who made the national parks a thing in government adolf murphy argued that wolves actually increased the prey populations because they fed on the sick and weak which allowed the whole tribe to breed better and stronger.
Guns are demonized by the left because they live in cities. You see very little anti-gun sentiment in anywhere that is not a large city.
Gee, I wonder why?
>>77109515
>wants to duel that badly
>>77108798
I like the idea of home offense where I plant C4 all over and wait for someone to invade then exit and blow the whole thing
>>77107558
>You don't go hunting with a 30-round magazine. The only purpose of that many shots is shooting up large numbers of people.
You're an idiot. I have a gun with a 30 round magazine and it's because I like to shoot for sport and it's a pain reloading constantly. I don't even like hunting and haven't done it since I was a kid with my dad.
It's also something that people like to have in case of a SHTF scenario.
>>77109515
Just hanging there? For anyone who decides to break in to take?
>>77109274
Well there *are* buckshot shells for 40mm grenade launchers so..
>>77109358
Thanks for the info senpai
>>77109596
Muh self defence. I'm a lot less likely to get robbed or burglarized if my would be thief has a long sharp piece of metal in their face.
>>77109102
Don't you dare move those goal posts.
The 5.56 round was designed for a 20" barrel with 1/7 twist rate. It kills shit real fine and dandy on M16s. The M4 not being able to accelerate the round to have the intended impact on long range targets is well documented and an inherent trade-off from the lower barrel length. Even then, the impact it has on overall combat effectiveness is negligible because a rifleman, again, is used more to supress and paint targets than to outright kill them.
>>77108089
Damn, that looks comfy as fuck.
I wish my state had something other than deer and blackbear to hunt.
>>77109127
>This was pretty much mandated in the Geneva convention which outlaws the use of "Expanding rounds" for war. i.e. You have to use less ammunition that leaves a treatable wound.
War - Harm them horribly, don't kill them horribly!
>>77102228
>huge pussy
So having a vagina is a sign of weakness?
REALLY.MAKES.YOU.THINK
>>77107180
Take a read over this, you fucking sun nigger.
Awaiting your inevitable non-response.
>>77102228
But i want to kill people with a gun.
>>77109753
You're obviously an obese beta, so don't kid yourself into thinking you'll be winning a knife fight any time soon.
>>77109713
When I'm leaving home for an extended period I move them, and my door is impossible to break through without a rather large noise.
>>77102601
Nice b8 m8. /pol/ is too dumb not to fall for /k/ memes
>>77107180
Here's another one, tell me if you have trouble understanding English because your logic is obviously sub-Sahara tier.
>>77109753
Dude go get a gun nobody ever wins in a knife fight.
Really makes you think...
>>77109767
Same here. My state also has moose, but you need to literally win a lottery to get a permit for one.
>>77106286
Stay alive just long enough for your buddies to carry you away from battle
>>77107180
Why not go 3/3?
Try to spic-talk your way out of this, cristiano.
>>77109858
How obvious is it? I'm going to need a source on that info bud.
>>77109764
I'm not moving goal posts you favela noguns fuck, first post I made in this thread was just corroborating that a drill sergeant tells you that the 5.56 round wounds more often than kills.
The US Army really doesn't use the M16 outside of TRADOC, it's literally a non argument to say the round works slightly better coming out of a gun we barely use.
>>77102228
>starts off name-calling
Opinion discarded.
Once he learns to argue like an adult, then I'll take him seriously.
