Is Islam fundamentally incompatible with western culture and ideology?
>>77090597
why do you feel you have to start threads with rhetorical questions m8?
>>77090650
why do you think it's rhetorical?
>>77090753
Because the answer is obvious and you already know it.
>>77090597
No.
>inb4 pic related
>>77090753
because the answer is as clear as day: islam is a totalitarian political system only posing as a religion, designed for world conquest through subjugation and violence, as such it is incompatible with anything and everything in this world, one only has to take a look at its historic contacts with any other culture and all you shall find is conflict
>>77090597
If a tree falls in the woods, and there is no one to hear it, does it make a sound?
>>77090833
that's not what a lot of people think.
faggot.
>>77090597
Yes. Think about this
>Muslims say Islam teaches compassion
Retards will say "Okay, das ist gut"
But smart people will say "How come?"
>Well, homosexuals are abominations so it's only compassionate to give them death
Oh....
Their conception of compassion, mercy, peace, etc are far from ours. They can say "we're the religion of peace, we're prosper and moderate" but their concepts don't match ours.
>>77090597
yes
The actual religion is a joke and their beliefs are barbaric but when someone actual supervises the assholes they tend not to do much.
>>77090597
Yes.
>>77090597
Islam is a complete system for living, it is not simply a religion.
Islam requires adherence to legal, economic, military, social, and religious teachings, it is not something "muslims do on sunday".
So if you are fine with muslims in your country having their own law, economy, and so on... then good luck to you. However remember that Islam also teaches to kill the non-believer and to tax those who believe in some other religion (e.g. pay the jizya) so you will have to pay them once they become established.
>>77090597
Yes. Yes, it absolutely is.
Remove muslims from the West.
Now.
>>77090597
I don't think Islam is completely hopeless, with a reform like that of Christianity it could be viable for a modern civilization while preserving most of its core teachings.
But as it is right now, it is an and intolerant beast unable to produce anything of value for mankind and should be quarantined in its own countries until it grows up, if ever.
Directly importing it in our own culture is like releasing a wild animal in a public park.
>>77090597
Yes.
>>77090597
ANY religion that seeks to impose its will over secular government is incompatible with western culture and ideology.
>>77091135
Everyone but you does faggot
>>77091822
>I don't think Islam is completely hopeless, with a reform like that of Christianity it could be viable for a modern civilization while preserving most of its core teachings.
It took centuries to neuter Christianity. Why should we accept Islam until it's reformed? Why should we try to let it reform in OUR lands?
And, once they've reformed in who knows WHEN, how incompatible will they be with our societies by then? I'd say it's too much to even accept a single one of them.
Rationally speaking it'd be best to exterminate them now while they're only above 1 billion, and not 4 billions like the niggers will be by 2100.
>>77091899
>/pol/ is everyone
>>77091897
Fedora detected.
>>77091822
>preserving most of its core teachings
The killing infidels part is core, the whole thing has to go. Plus there's the Arab supremacy dimension and they are for the most part violent retards.
Islam focuses on the same general Abrahamic doctrine of Christianity and Judaism. Muslims born in the u.s don't have problems living here. The immigrants, however, are used to a completely different and more fucked up overall culture. It's like taking a 1600s Christian, and making them to live in today's society.
>>77090597
Yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV710c1dgpU
Islam is a cancer.
>>77090597
Is Homosexuality's?
Islam invented Western culture.
>>77090597
Yes.
bring em here to kill off liberals women niggers and mexicans
kill them
profit
They hate dogs and alcohol. For those two reasons alone I consider them incompatible.
>>77090597
is the pope catholic?
oh wait, that expression doesn't work anymore FML
>>77090597
Western culture treats women as equals and has a justice system where the punishment is proportional to the crime.
Islam teaches that women are property and should obey their husband without question, cannot hold jobs or even be out in public without a male family member, must cover themselves from head to toe. Punishment for theft is removal of a hand. Punishment for adultery is death. Punishment for a women disobeying her husband is death.
I'm gonna have to say no.
>>77091065
Precisely.
>>77090597
>Is Islam fundamentally incompatible with western culture and ideology?
no, its as compatible as any other religion.
The islam and muslims in bosnia are very different than islam somewhere in the arab peninsula. It has more cultural similarities with european christianity than what you think islam is today.
>>77091389
That is to filter out (and kill) the people intelligent enough to change something in Islam.
>>77091135
Settle down achmed. Go back to your 3rd world sandpile.
Inb4 I wuz born here
I don't care, you, your dad, your mother (his sister) .... your sister/wife ... none of you belong here.
>>77090597
Islam is actually very compatible with the culture and ideology /pol/ is trying to push. But very incompatible with the culture and ideology leftists are trying to push.
Such is the irony between Islam and West
>>77094097
>n-not all muslims, guys!
>>77094097
dumping pictures where islam is beautifully merged with a western scenery.
>>77094097
maybe because they are not fundamental and original muslims but stupid slavs traitors that accepted islam and now pose like they are bigger muslims than arabians
>>77094243
70% of Muslims deserve to be hanged, the 30% that aren't all that bad still need to fuck off back to their country
>>77094249
>original muslims
are you an original christian strahinja? you accepted chiristianity the same way we accepted islam, get out of your nationalistic ass.
here's a pic of a mosque built in a classical roman architecture.
>>77090597
Since i grow up attending an islamic private shool all the way through high school and one of the things they keep teaching us is how to resist or filter out the bad effect of "westernization", i say yes.
muslims are bros, they kill jews and faggots and are not afraid of anything
>>77094361
>need to fuck off back to their country
funny statement coming from a polack. doesn't everybody in europe hate you and thinks you're just a bunch of drunk scum taking their jobs?
>>77095606
To be fair, same can be said about Bosniaks :^)
>>77090871
this is now a molymeme thread
Yes, completely. Even if you're an ultra-liberal who hates America and Europe you're still retarded if introducing Islam won't be disastrous. If you have mice in your home, you don't fix the problem by adding rats.
>>77090597
It's a deep hard question op...
>>77090597
Yes.
>>77096231
>limited and biased studies
>>77094097
you are an outlier, Mujo, with a constitution that expressly prohibits any merging of state and religion - not the case in all other shitholes except maybe for t*rkroach premises which they are consistantly sliding away from
>>77095921
>To be fair, same can be said about Bosniaks :^)
exactly, that's why I steer away from accusing other people and telling them to go back to their country. And you know when/if this islam hate meme goes down, the west will go back to hating eastern euros.
>>77090597
This is wrong. Spread the word.
Western culture, like it or not, is built on secularism.
>>77096386
>And you know when/if this islam hate meme goes down, the west will go back to hating eastern euros.
Sure sure, but one mass genocide at a time.
>>77090597
Yes.
old pic of muslims brewing rakija
No... not if "Islam" counts as Islam, anyways.
The modern fundamentalist form of Islam that has become dominant over the last half-century certainly is, though.
the secular/cultural forms of islam one finds in bosnia, albania and russia are the only form of islam that can live peacefully in the west. and that is only the result of half a century of harsh communist rule.
the tribal islam of arabia, south asia and the like can not ever integrate into the west
>>77094944
bosnian shitskin. please don't breed with white people.
Yes, to my understating western culture is a secular, god-less version of Christianity in which women are effectively put on a place that is superior to men, Islam teaches that women are poor leaders and good followers, and when the follower and leader change positions the individuals and systems dependent on them suffer.
Islam teaches that all enjoyable things should be either completely avoided or should be taken in moderation, because they cause dependence and cause indignity to the person. Western culture teaches complete, absolute indulgence in worldly pleasures because there is no ultimate point or meaning, and when the realization that this world is the only one sinks in hedonism is the only logical answer left.
Islam is proud of its strengths and ashamed of its weakness, in the west there is a constant oppression olympics in which people try to claim bigger defects and weaknesses for themselves, they are also shamed for their glory and greatness.
Islam also teaches that there is good, morally justifiable and godly violence is possible. Muslims are instructed to use the word of God to judge each other and others, judgement is not persevered for God and he has granted us to ability to execute his commands. In the west the whims of a faceless mob has been elevated to a higher level than any "word of God" and it is the "people" who decide what is true, just and righteous.
>>77097041
well to be honest, left pic is a commie state you guys destroyed and the right is some taliban islam tradition.
assimilation can't happen over night, but it is possible. here arecovered muslim women but the dresses are clearly based on slavic tradition.
Yes.
Islam is in dire need of reform from within but punishes dissidents with torture and death. The best solution from a Western perspective is to ban immigration from high-risk countries, stop funding Islamic institutions, make Halal slaughter illegal and ban burkas and niqabs. The ones that stay are the moderates and the ones that leave are the ones you don't want in your country anyway.
>>77097246
Most Iranian-Americans I've met are pretty well assimilated... some have even renounced Islam. I suppose most of these are moderate refugees that fled after the revolution though.
>>77097511
forgot pic
>>77097427
I guess you would know what a shitskin is, right?
>>77097452
>in which women are effectively put on a place that is superior to men
Can't argue with that. Besides being true, women keep bragging about how they don't have rights.
The rest is utter bullshit and a bad framed picture of the west, so you can actually believe Islam is the thing.
>>77097452
And despite that all Islamic countries are shit unless there's some resources real human beans want to buy from them.
From an objective view islam is not to different from christianity.
But when you talk about Islam it includes both the islamic culture and the extent of how religious Muslims are around the world.
And this Islam is not compatible with western society
>>77094097
lies, all lies!
>>77097705
>the rest is utter bullshit
It seems pretty accurate to me
>>77097634
sure I know. My near-by zone is getting filled with shitty Muslims, all dressed.
I avoid eye contact, but I don't look at the ground. The retarded mentality grinds my gears.
>>77090597
Yes.
>>77097862
>I avoid eye contact
You deserve to be conquered you beta cuck.
>>77097718
Islamic culture and arab culture are not the same thing. But I get it, it emerged from arabic culture and tradition, and arabs are the first thing you think about when you think of islam.
>>77097950
They have to be ignored, not filled with attention.
I don't fear them. I just hate that extremist version.
>but I don't look at the ground
>>77094944
I'm sure that's not classical roman arch.
>>77097712
A Jew once said : "A man does not live by bread only".
Since all things have been reduced to what you eat and what you shit in the western mind, all things are reduced to GDP and judged by worldly means.
You're right, we're mostly inferior in worldly means to western countries, but it's better to go home to a wife who appreciates you instead of one who hates you, to raise children who do not despise you for bringing them into this world and to have neighbors you like and know on a personal level instead of a "personal space" which nobody bothers to enter anymore.
>>77097705
Please explain how are they false? Is indulgence not a dominant culture in the west? Are pleasures not viewed as the ultimate meaning of life? Isn't all (except being a proud man apparently)tolerated and celebrated? Is "judging others" not the greatest sin you can commit? Where am I wrong?
>>77098144
Sorry to make this stupid question.
What is the official language of Islam?
>>77090597
People have been saying that for years and even then we're still labeled st00pid for not wanting to follow the new dumb.
>>77096305
shut up you muslim faggot
nothing's ever good enough for you, is it, that's why you came to this country
>>77090597
Yes.
>>77096386
>drinking the koolaid
the west doesn't give a fuck about eastern euros and never will, don't get your hopes up
>>77098749
that's what the russians did though
>>77090597
>>77098749
>Germany today
Europe today
>>77098232
not roman in the sense of ancient rome, but there was a medieval style of building that was called roman or romanesque architecture, pic related.
>>77098290
that's like asking what is the official language of christianity. But yeah, we pray in arabic, doesn't mean that we actually learn the language.
>>77098899
maybe the USA doesn't, but it shows how much you know burger
>>77097705
Let me see if I got this right and you don't have a different conception of proudness here.
In your opinion, have I ever felt proud of anything?
Proud implies the defense of beliefs?
If you're proud, why do you think being proud is a good thing (in Islam's perspective).
>>77099492
Nobody gives a fuck about anybody other than the US. Stop caring what lesser entities think.
>>77090597
Yes absolutely.
Ask any Muslim and they will give you the same answer.
>>77099492
I think you meant writing in arabic.
If you pray in arabic (unless they explain you) how do you know what you're saying?
I pray in my language. Not in latin or aramaic.
>>77098286
bottom line is that states based on Christian traditions nowadays completely divorced from the state oppression allow for complete freedom of choice as to how one wishes to live one's life within current laws
we may not condone debauchery and extreme individualism but we sure as hell don't posse up and lynch those that choose so, after all it's to their own detriment and as such none of anyone else's business
I would argue that exposing the youth to the "problematic" lifestyle choices can even be helpful in the prevention of said lifestyle proliferation
>>77090597
Yes
/thread
>>77090597
The solution to one problem.
>> pic.related
>>77099892
If you do a good deed or receive a good opportunity you feel a positive satisfaction both internally and are allowed to express it externally(socially).
If you are beautiful, rich, from a reputable family, have an exceptional talent and so forth, you feel good about them("proud?"), this is allowed in Islam and practiced by Muslims. Pulling yourself up is encouraged, putting others down is discouraged.
In the west however, if one is rich, he is expected to compensate for it by giving to the poor and vote for those who call the rich thieves and so on. If you're pretty, you're expected to include the ugly and call them pretty and so on. Now there is nothing wrong with niceness and charity, but there is something very wrong when they become chores and legal obligations.
Being better is a sin in the western secular religion.
>>77100070
there are translations of the Quran, so you do know what it's all about. It's just that the chants and the religious ceremony's are in arabic. Like many catholic churches use latin.
and most of us (even people who go to religius schools) don't know arabic, and very very few of them know how to write in arabic.
>>77091822
Nah fuck it
Crusades or riot
>>77090597
Yes
>>77100111
The problem with that attitude is the assumption that all deeds and desires are natural, sin is naturally easier, just like it's easier to break something that it is to make it. If you allow filth to run freely in your community it will soon overcome the goodness, because its nature is so.
Human beings left to their own devices are beasts left alone in a cage, they will invent a thousand vices and they will destroy anything remotely resembling civilized society.
Freedom is a virtue only as long as it is used for doing the right thing out of ones own accord, it doesn't have any inherent value. What do you want the freedom for? What do you want to be free from? It is better to be forced into goodness than to choose evil.
>>77101233
>Freedom is a virtue only as long as it is used for doing the right thing out of ones own accord, it doesn't have any inherent value. What do you want the freedom for? What do you want to be free from? It is better to be forced into goodness than to choose evil.
I don't agree with this statement. You can't tell someone what freedom is. Many have different stances on that issue. If a girl wants to go to school, have a career, heck maybe even not get married, that's her choice. Same for gay couples, you can't condemn somebody for wanting basic human rights, especially when those right aren't hurting anyone.
>>77090597
yes they should be euthanized
>>77101233
I hear your argument and mostly agree on possible consequences BUT only in reached through volition and not coercion that violates the non-agression principle
I distinctly recall the phases I went through, ultimately reaching many a conclusion completely aligned with traditional wisdom but not after experiencing/experimenting across the majority of the behavioral spectrum
nature is blind to good an evil for those are moral categories with only a few of them codified in modern society, therefore heavily dependent on one's worldviews or religion
we haven't destroyed our civilization this way and don't plan in doing so for the forseeable future
>>77100643
First of all. Not everyone thinks like that in the west.
Second, there are people who DO think exactly like that, word by word. And they're not muslims whatsoever.
Let's say that we're both pretty, and we see someone ugly. You wouldn't call her extremely ugly, neither would I. Because we both defend that we shouldn't hurt others feelings.
But you wouldn't call her pretty, and that's ok. You don't have to, and neither do I.
I'm not expected to include the ugly. Only to respect them. If I choose to call them pretty, I'm lying in fact, but it's just to be kind and improve the others' self-esteem.
No one chooses to come out pretty, rich, black, white, iranian or portuguese. It's kind of luck mixed with miracle if you are born in a rich family and pretty. And you can feel proud of that without being cocky. But be conscious that you're being proud of luck in the end.
Putting yourself up should be a result of hard-work, not the result of your ancestry or genetics.
The rich thing also applies to that luck factor. If the money was earned by hard work, it's your money and no one expects you to do shit. Again, if I had a big amount of money, I would definitely donate part of it. Only because I don't take an expensive life style, and I'd never use all the money. [Unless they're communists. In the west people can have political positions. Even if they're stupid (I know), because not everyone was born with a brain.]
I still leave a question behind, what's the problem with improving the others' happiness? Without creating dependancy of course.
>>77090597
Weren't those bastards the same crazed fruitloops who destroyed entire civilizations including the babylonians?
Weren't they the assholes who refugee-raped ancient Greece and Rome? that's why they're both black-skinned and violent?
They're probably worse than the mongolians.
>>77090597
Practiced fully, yes, though the same can be said for other major religions with a much less violent track record.
The real problem is Islamic culture, since religious practice is almost never purely scriptural; the Christianity of today is not the Christianity of the 19th century is not the Christianity of the middle ages is not the Christianity of the Desert Fathers. And unlike current Christian culture, which say what you will is considerably less violent than Islam even at the highest estimates (inb4 muh Crusades), current Islamic culture, for reasons related to scripture and otherwise, doesn't mesh well with western values (I remember that UK Muslim Chowdah guy outright saying Muslims don't accept freedom of expression, though to be fair neither does the UK).
>>77090597
Yes. It is a militant expansionist totalitarian ideology with nothing meaningful to say about morality or spirituality.
>>77090597
Why did you post the morrowind logo
>>77090597
Yes.
The end goal of Islam is literally the subjugation of non-Muslims.
It's literally in the Koran.
>>77104035
imh the Crusades argument is an indicator of shitpost or pure lack of knowledge
>>77090597
What makes sandniggers so arrogant and naturally evil, compared to neutral evil africans and lawful evil chinese? Is the hellish dessert? The 2000 year old history of killing eachother, including Jesus?
>>77090597
Any religion - when exercised in an orthodox or fundamental / literal way - is incompatible with modern society.
That said: I am glad it's Trump and not Cruz!
>>77104301
literally? or metaphorically?
is this bait? because it looks like bait.......
fucking stupid question.
political islam is absolutely incompatible with the values of the west.
islam= cancer
