Did the shooter have a drum magazine?
How many times did this guy reload?
The club was so packed that he could just keep shooting everyone?
He just walked by the doorman with an AR?
There were no police outside this huge club?
. . .
>>77055743
If the gun looked like that, maybe he hid it up his ass
>>77055936
fpbp
Rush shooters when they reload.
>>77055743
very fishy. i understand if someone sneaks in a swiss knife, but a fucking AR ? can not be unseen
>>77055743
I thought autos were illegal? Did he just one shot every one?
>>77055743
Packed club. Can a single .223 penetrate multiple bodies? AP ammo?
>>77055743
Also
>50% Fatality rate
>Nailed a police officer in the head during a fire fight
That ridiculously good marksmanship
Like SpecOps level
>>77055743
>The club was so packed that he could just keep shooting everyone?
>He just walked by the doorman with an AR?
There is/was a thread on here about a guy in the club not affiliated with the shooter, that he blocked the exit with someone else. He said that he heard pounding on the door of people trying to escape in a period of 10 seconds, presuming between reloads.
>>77056174
Full auto is indeed illegal in the US
However
A wise /k/fag could easily pop out the firing pin and file it down a bit to make an illegal full-auto conversion
But you didn't hear it from me.
>>77056280
It's a fucking AR at less than the effective range. It is literally point and shoot.
>>77056280
>implying the shooter wasnt FBI
>>77056174
>>77056255
>oh hi bluncer sure check my id here it is
>oh i brought all this gear because im just getting ready to dance my life away
>sure come on in with an AR and suicide vest
HOW THE FUCK DID HE GET MY THE DOOR MAN WITHOUT MASSIVE SHIT GOING DOWN AND PEOPLE RUNNING AWAY SCREAMING
HOW THE FUCK DID HE SEMI AUTO 50+ PEOPLE TO DEATH WITH THE PUSSY 5.56 ROUND
A ROUND DESIGNED TO INJURE AND NOT KILL
>>77056404
>Full auto is indeed illegal in the US
no it isn't, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about, stop posting
>>77056404
>wise
it would make your gun a broken piece of malfunctioning shit
He attacked a club full of women. The women reacted as expected. /thread.
>>77056404
>HURR DURR FILE FYRIN PIN
Autism: the post
>>77056507
>A ROUND DESIGNED TO INJURE AND NOT KILL
memes
>>77056255
.223/5.56mm was designed to stay in the person and ricochet around.
If he had .30 cal (.300 blackout or .308), then that would go through multiple people, layers of sheetrock, wood, etc...
>>77056174
I don't think it was full auto. He bought it 12 days before the shooting, and it takes almost a year and a lot of money to get full auto paperwork complete. He probably did shoot everyone with a semi-automatic
You guys didn't know? there was ex military working there. Who apparently cried when shit went down. So clearly the mudslime stole the ex military faggots gun from his room and started shooting up the place.
/thread.
>>77056404
you have no clue what youre talking bout
>>77056544
Let me re-iterate
Someone who knows what the fuck they're doing.
>>77056507
>I believe /k/ memes
.223 is a perfectly lethal round.
SURE CHECK MY ID BOUNCER
BTW I HAVE A HANDGUN AND A RIFLE AND AMMO AND A SUICIDE VEST
COME ON IN M8
>>77055743
>Did the shooter have a drum magazine?
which shooter there were 3
>>77056629
no one who knows anything about what they're doing will do that
>>77055743
Normal nightclubs typically don't have cops, no idea about gay ones. They do however have bouncers at the entrance and inside for crowd control. Somebody didn't do their job.
>>77056280
>murdering 50 unarmed civies only to get taken out by the first trained man on site
>marksmanship
>>77056544
you could convert an uzi to select fire pretty easy
>Expecting police to just run into gunfire and die
You people got your right to bear arms for a reason, you go in.
>>77056174
git gud, fgt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuNSB9jkpyQ
>>77055743
drums jam like a motherfucker
>>77056174
whats stopping you from getting an auto sear?
>>77056280
He had three hours to work. They never released how many rounds were actually fired. The pistol round that glanced off a cop's skull was a lucky shot. And the shooter had training.
>>77055743
He probably brought friends who escaped while he took hostages
A big guy to the end
>Allahu gaybar
>>77056605
>If he had .30 cal (.300 blackout or .308), then that would go through multiple people, layers of sheetrock, wood, etc...
The energy of blackout vs .308 win is significant, with .308 being almost twice as energetic. It is Trump vs Yeb.
how come people fail to mention that police were already on the scene when the first fires were shot?
Suspicious already at that point.
>>77055743
>How many times did this guy reload?
A few times, I imagine. Seeing as how he bought his guns a week or two ago, he got some serious trining somewhere.
>>77056255
yes easily. FMJ will cut clean through within maybe 50 yards without producing the normally desired wound channel. that's why you want to use hollowpoint, softpoint, polymer tip, frangible, etc. for home defense
>>77056605
Is semi auto burst firing?
>>77055936
>>77056751
>Having terrible reading comprehension, but thinking your opinion still actually matters.
>>77056750
every nightclub i have been to (washington DC and surrounding places) that is having hundreds of people HAS FUCKING POLICE SITTING OUTSIDE
EVERY TIME
POLICE EVERYWHERE
>300+ at nightclub
>no police anywhere
gtfo
>>77056893
True, but .30 cal is a big round. .300 Blackout just won't go as far, but it's not designed to stay in the body
>>77056899
I'm already suspicious at how many hits he got
>>77056404
1. Full auto is not illegal in the U.S.
2. You can't make something full auto by filing some shit. Especially by filing the firing pin.
>>77056887
>Not allah cockbar
come on now
>>77056404
youre a fucking faggot. you have two options for illegal FA, pic related is the easy one. you dont know what you are talking about
>>77055743
Multi-Shooters
>not using a 7.62x39 Kalashnikov like a true Mudslime
He would've got a higher body count if he didn't use a pussy as fuck 5.56
>>77057112
it was all planned, but no one gives a shit to look at the little details. The only thing they care bout is politics. This country is so fucked.
>>77057092
There was one cop there from reports I've heard not inside but outside. Apparently he was too pussy to go in and face the music though.
>>77057092
So then the cops let him walk past with his AR, ammo and suicide vest?
>>77057005
I think burst fire is by defined as automatic because you pull the trigger once and three bullets come out, not just one.
Semi-automatic is one trigger pull = 1 round fired, any more bullets that come out is probably rated as form of automatic firing.
>>77055743
Gunman was in the club for 3 hours before SWAT stormed the building
>>77056686
>which shooter there were 3
explain pls
>>77057170
Hard to argue with the results though. If it was just one guy he did a helluva job.
>>77057123
>2. You can't make something full auto by filing some shit.
Sure you can. It just depends on the gun. See:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf5crF2CSZs
>>77055743
Doesn't take long to reload.
>>77056170
Could have assembled it in the bathroom. If you're about to kill 50 people, you're not going to be concerned about breaking the NFA. An 8-10" upper would have concealed fine in a small bag/case.
Could have even posed as a member of the sound crew. They have large suitcases for their equipment.
>>77057412
>Sure you can
Maybe on some gun somewhere, but it's already clearly understood that he had an AR-15. You need to add parts (including auto sear), change the trigger group, and a few more steps to get it to fire automatic.
>>77055743
>Be visiting Orlando
>Friend wants to take me to a club
>Not really my thing but go ahead anway
>Club is all right, not really my thing but not bad
>Having some dranks
>Suddenly hear "I'VE GOT YOU IN MY SIGHTS!"
>Get shot
>Isn't fatal but I've been shot worse at home
>EMS arrives after the incident
>My friend is screaming "Help my friend! He's a foreigner and black!"
>Get priority treatment for a minor injury while other people are bleeding out
Damn talk about good service.
>>77057112
>True, but .30 cal is a big round. .300 Blackout just won't go as far, but it's not designed to stay in the body
its designed to be subsonic, its not a combat load
>>77057278
Big homie had the fastest fingers in the west
>>77057325
Witnesses have said there were at least 3 shooters.
>>77056280
he was a security guard so he did have some training with fire arms
>>77057241
>>77057250
i could see that and they dont want those reports to get out because then people would blatantly see that the police cant protect you
the only thing that makes any sense is if this guy walked up to the entrance with all his shit and started with the doorman/bouncers and made his way inside
because there is no way he is getting in with a fucking dufflebag and vest on
bouncers would never allow that
ever
so he literally walked up with people waiting outside to get in and the bouncers checking ID and started shooting then made his way inside
CON RAZON SI ERAN TODOS BALAS
>>77057565
What this guy said. It is very close to being a meme round.
shorty barrel on the AR and collapse the stock, wouldn't be hard to conceal it in a dark and packed place at 2 am. A trained shooter at close quarters using point method can easily pop off 20-30 rounds a minute with pretty good accuracy, if he was trained a mag change only takes a few seconds as well. Even untrained mass shooters can dump a 100 rounds in the space of 5 minutes easily, as that's what usually happens. He was trained, so shooting at a big mass of people 10 meters and under would mean you aren't going to miss really either. A skilled shooter could do about the same with a box fed stripper clip or an en field bolt action.
>>77056603
>5.56 ROUND DESIGNED TO INJURE
Sounds like complete bs
>>77055743
did he get the gun illegally or did he buy it legally?
>>77056899
>risking your life for a couple of fags
naw
>>77057546
Well yeah, definitely not on an AR-15. Plus full auto doesn't make sense outside of a combat unit where one would use it to lay down covering fire or against multiple combatants.
To get a high kill count in a club, semi-auto would be best.
>>77056811
>whats stopping you from getting an auto sear?
it's illegal
>>77056404
You're wrong twice in one post. Either immature dork, or double fuctard.
>>77057864
not the point, the point is they were there before the shootings started. Meaning they knew something was gonna happen. They aren't gonna just fucking park there for no reason at all. Each time the news station plays the video someone recorded they say "and these were the first shots heard" and there were already fucking 10 cop cars or more there. It makes no fucking sense.
>>77057828
Bought it legally, passed a background check
>>77057828
He got it legally. Apparently he had some kind of security license, whatever the fuck that means. Knowing the dishonest idiotic media it probably doesn't mean anything
moms fb. okay, how is this muzzie her kid? who is the dad?
https://sli.mg/LmeokB
she's a terror apologist
https://sli.mg/wt85em
What is this post? This one stuck out, I wasn't going to screengrab anything from her FB until I saw this.
It looks ... MK ultra? No? Is the telephone supposed to be a robot overlord? The government spying on us? It actually looks like a jew, that phone meme looks like a anthropomorphized jew.
https://sli.mg/KqLZml
Was that her cry for help about being brainwashed with her son? The only person who replied posted an emoji representing confusion, her friends list has no idea what that thing means.
Let the shroom fueled conspiracy circuit begin.
>>77058040
stop saying that, you dumb bastard
>>77057765
what's point method? not bothering to aim down the sights?
>>77057123
>>77056536
Full auto is illegal you fucks. The only guns that are legal are the ones that are grandfathered in. You can buy a grandfathered one but they're expensive as fuk.
>>77057549
rare flag
>>77055743
because owners of gay clubs don't want cops near their clubs... gays use a disproportionate amount of illegal drugs, especially when partying
>>77057765
Also, consider that with people packed that closely together, the chance of an over-penetrating round hitting (and wounding or killing) another person is almost guaranteed. Was a literal turkey shoot.
>>77058194
what is NFA class 3 weapons
>>77056507
He literally pulled a gun on the bouncers then walked in, held everyone hostage, and went apeshit.
Read the fucking news
>>77057565
>its not a combat load
>>77058194
>Full auto is illegal you fucks.
It's illegal to make new auto sears and sell them, but it's not illegal to buy and sell existing ones between parties.
>>77057675
Paul Blart is now a super psyop expert marksman.
>>77056893
>>77057112
>>77057565
>>77057727
>easy conversion from .223, barrel swap, bit of case trimming
>subsonic or supersonic without gas adjustment
>with or without suppressor, without gas adjustment
>7.62 external ballistics
>solves the same problems 6.8 SPC does, but better administrivia
300 blackout is excellent for urban warfare.
>>77057374
Or he could use a 5.45x39 Kalashnikov.
Guaranteed more than 100 faggots dead.
Fucking Mudslime doesn't even have grenades, pipe bombs or any sort of improvised explosives.
Poor planning, poor equipment and too emotional to do the job right.
>>77058193
literally pointing with your trigger finger, and pulling the trigger with your middle finger instead. not sighting up the gun. like anything, it works good when you practice.
>>77055743
Clubs often only have one entrance to club-goers and side doors are hidden or sometimes locked. In this case on of the 20 people to escape out the employee exit barred the door and got people killed.
>>77057549
get off, nigger
>>77058616
Also he knew faggots won't be packing heat. I doubt he wore any sort of body armor.
>>77057667
never heard that, ty abbo
>>77058561
>not including .308
>>77058193
yeah basically, if you train you find its easy to shoot at close range without using your sights. It becomes second nature, it's actually pretty easy to train, and it's fast.
Homos are used to taking hot loads in their faces.
>>77058069
cops are pussys and claim to be "not trained" to stop shooters
instead they set up a "perimeter" and wait while people die
this is the police that the leftist claims will save you from people with guns
>>77058194
literally stop talking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qd0ppORwBog
>>77058166
don't you obey the law?
>>77058561
Shame that most people are instead buying rifles chambered in .308 win.
1000yd range with a 20" barrel.
>>77058728
who needs it there? it does way, way better than these. puts all those to shame soon as you need to hit something beyond 300 yards. but they do serve a purpose.
>>77058811
again you are missing the whole fucking point, its going over your head. They were THERE before the shooting started. Why? Why would they be there unless they knew a shooting was bout to take place. Its all a fucking psy-op. You ignoring it is just proving my point even more.
>>77058981
w/e i have one of each
>>77057812
When you kill a combatant in war you take 1 enemy off the battlefield.
When you seriously injure one enemy combatant you can take him out, then his battle buddy is exacuating him, then all the medics required. Then, you fill up their hospital requiring multiple trained doctors for surgery.
Then you get the populace to see a horrible disfigurement forever. This keeps his kids from fighting due to long term cowardice.
Eventually you can turn an entire warrior culture into a pussy culture by making them believe in victim psychology.
Yep.
>>77057456
i want these. where do i get these.
>>77058819
I was there at this machine gun shoot. What a glorious event.
>>77058616
Still the largest mass shooting in the history of Burgerland.
>>77055743
Wasn't there a cop just outside the club or in it when it happened? A cop in uniform if I remember right. It was mentioned in the first press conference. Yes, there was a uniformed cop there when it started.
>>77059034
Lucky.
I'd take a suppressed AR in .300, but California hates fun and your hearing.
That gun looks like pennis and also dicke and balls.
>>77056404
That is some high quality bait you fahking hamburger. Now to see if anyone bites.
>>77059031
Can you back that claim up? that there were that many cop cars prior to the shooting?
Not trying to be an asshole. I'm genuinely curious.
>>77059007
I wanted to see a point of reference.
>>77059163
It ain't hard to deduce that a packed nightclub with 2 entrances would ensure you a high score. Literally open season.
>>77055743
They guy must have been an operative before.
>>77058819
Not him, but he's right.
Are you a complete retard?
>>77056603
50 killed, 50 wounded.
Idk ...
>>77059031
>why were cops sitting outside a nightclub
I take it you're underage and you've never been a club before? There are always cops hanging out near clubs waiting to catch drunk drivers and arrest niggers chimping out at each other
>>77056280
Looks like he had to qualify regularly to keep his license as a security guard. This wasn't some autist who had never touched a gun before. Really makes you think how much worse previous mass shootings could have been.
>>77059057
>read military publications talking about how the 5.56 is designed to injure people but not kill them because of the resources it takes to try and save that person
people still claim on 4chan that the 5.56 is some badass killing round when in fact it is the biggest pussy round the us has used EVER
EVER
>>77056811
>drums jam like a motherfucker
This. Drums are a novelty. You never see a real military using them.
>>77059188
>a lone cop with a Glock 17 or worse can go toe to toe with a crazed snackbar with an AR
>>77059394
If you were watching the news when it rolled out you woulda seen it they literally kept saying "these were the first shootings that took place" and they showed a video of a guy videoing like 10+ cop cars and you hear gun fire in the background and hes going "DUDE DUDE THEY ARE SHOOTING EACH OTHER"
>>77059531
not 10+ gtfo with that
>>77059444
Seems like it has a 50/50 chance of killing.
>>77055743
benis :D
>>77057667
I havent seen this, quick google search resulted in nothing. Do you have a source or anything?
Just wondering because I know witnesses in San Bernardo thought there were three shooters as well.
>>77057549
Enjoy your bill ... and AIDS.
>>77059604
that video is everywhere
but i only see like 2 cop cars
not 10+
those cops there were probably just club security
sometimes they have their lights on
>>77056483
>>implying the shooter wasnt FBI
"Hey big guuuuuuy!"
>>77055743
Pew pew pew
>>77059814
you're clearly blind, there are 10+
>>77059604
I saw that video, but it didn't seem like that video was taken right when the shots were first fired. I'm fairly certain that shots had been fired prior to that video being recorded.
If that's the case, it would make sense that cops would already be on the scene
>>77059867
news kept saying it was the first shots fired, so unless they lied bout that then those were the first shots.
>>77059057
5.56 is used because it is light and has a flat trajectory. Studies were done after major conflicts that showed more bullets in the air = victory. Wars showed that conflicts were often times <100 yards away so full power rounds were pointless.
5.56 is meant to kill as well as it can. Same for 5.45x39. 5.56 tends to be a bit more frangible than tumbly whereas 5.45x39 is a bit more tumbly. Both are deadly and of course they are meant to kill.
>3 shooters were likely involved, though some of the witness correspondence is questionable due to potential use of singular "they."
>Bombs were also supposedly involved and planned for use; bomb threat at Goldenrod Walmart from earlier today could potentially be one of the escaped shooters
>>77059553
Oh dude, I dont know if you remember the CIA dude who got arrested in Pakistan for gunning down some guy. He shot a running target at 50ish meters one handed with a handgun. Shit or that moonshiner show where the guy sees a boar break cover and start hauling ass through the undergrowth, he drops to a knee and plugs the fucking thing at about 50 meters at a full sprint in like 3 seconds. Someone who can actually shoot is fucking lethal.
>>77058040
>illegal
>can literally Google search transferable machine gun and find one to purchase in five seconds
Yep sure is illegal.
>>77059863
post vid i cant find it on liveleak
>>77059867
we need some internet wizards to dig up some of the video from inside the club
its 2016 we have cameras on god damn everything
>>77059863
>>77059867
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5-KTUW335M
Here's the video, for others in the thread, there are about 5 cop cars, so not just security. But I'm not convinced that this was taken before any shots were fired like you claimed though.
>>77060095
there def was more then just 5, i guarantee it.
>>77056536
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. The gun he used sure as fuck wasn't made before 1986.
>>77059867
>>77059981
unless it was cops firing indiscriminately into the front of the club you wouldnt be able to hear the bullets from the shooters gun if he was inside the club
>>77060095
also this wasn't the first video
>>77056404
Who the fuck invited this retarded shitnigger?
>>77056330
Bullshit, stop talking out of your ass.
>>77059981
That could mean they were some of the first shots fired, not to be taken literally, or maybe the news, being a breaking story, may have just been incorrect with their information. I don't think this is enough evidence to just assume it's an inside job or whatever you're implying.
>>77055743
No, drum magazines are really unreliable. That Oregon movie theater shooter only got off 10 rounds with one of those, lucky for them. This Omar guy knew what he was doing. He had security training. I am pretty sure he would have used the reliable 30 round magazines, and lots of them.
>>77060045
>inplying anyone has $5,000 ready to buy some piece of shit old auto gun from 1980
>>77059570
I thought the point of the 5.56 was that when hollowpoints were banned for military use to reduce wartime casualties the US decided to go against the spirit of the agreement and adopt round that'd tumble and fragment upon hitting a body and thus act almost like a hollowpoint and dump most/all of its kinetic energy before exiting
I'm not an expert though, how much of that is bullshit?
>>77059404
>monster kill
underrated.
>>77060014
>Goldeonrod Walmart
>I know where that is and it is a short drive from where I'm sitting right now
Oh fuck
>>77060287
My apologies. It appeared to be the video >>77059604
was referencing. But maybe I'm wrong, if you have other videos post them
>>77055743
Just a reminder:
The only issue here are guns getting in the hands of crazy people, not banning muslims from the US
This guy worked for a security company and they're saying there were multiple perps.
What if it was an inside job? Security companies can no longer hire muslims.
>>77059570
It's meant to win a war, against gommunism.
Now days, we should go back to .5 like old musket balls. Tear you in half. Instant death instead of these weak ass 9mm.
He had an accomplice barricading the door to keep people in. This was verified by a tweet of some1 inside. Otherwise, how would people not get out fast enough? One person said she took 12 bullets herself. (not passthroughs if .556 ar-15)
The Akbar was a shit shot and shot a lot more than 50 times. Plenty time for a concealed carry to take him out or for everyone to just run out. After they take away "assault-weapons", then they go for the deer rifles because "sniper gun", "goes thru police body armor", etc...
The solution for the 'gun problem' is to have more people with concealed carry to kill that fucker before his first mag change.
>>77059603
That's what happened in Garland TX. Except is was two muzzies with AKs and bombs.
>>77058728
.308 is shit from a 10.5 inch barrel compared to 300blk
300blk is literally the perfect carbine round, and makes the perfect home defense AR
>>77060399
dude read up on it yourself
try and find DoD publications etc
>brb go from the .30-06 to 5.56 because 5.56 is more """""""powerful"""""""
makes sense
>>77056280
I feel sorry for the police officer.
I didn't know there were non-gays who died :/
>>77060534
wow it fucking figures i can't find the original video, the guy sounded like a stoner though, not a fucking mexican.
>>77056507
>A ROUND DESIGNED TO INJURE AND NOT KILL
You're a retard
>>77055743
he had + 60 accuracy due to his gaming.
and his elite tactical red dot sight, made it easier.
>>77061002
found it
also how the fuck does this even sound like real gun fire?
http://video.dailymail.co.uk/video/mol/2016/06/12/7337005069711686719/640x360_7337005069711686719.mp4
>>77058561
>same characteristics as 7.62x39 122gr Wolf
>Wolf
>Shooting Wolf ammo, ever
That's a great big nope.
>>77060397
It's not the same as illegal. If you aren't concerned about laws it doesn't matter anyway because assembling a FA AK is easy peasy.
>>77060909
Eh, the fastest way to find information is to post something wrong on the Internet, people will line up around the block to call you an idiot and correct you
I learned that from Trump, his Twitter is so powerful it makes his enemies tell the truth
>>77061165
It's on a shitty video from a shitty audio recording and the guns are inside a building
Go record your friend shooting inside a building from an old nokia retard
>>77057123
>You can't make something full auto by filing some shit. Especially by filing the firing pin.
I love these asshats who get their gun knowledge from watching TV crime dramas where terrorists fabricate full-auto machine guns by filing down the firing pins.
>>77060981
Cop lived.
Kevlar helmet cause militarization of police force.
>>77056449
>it is literally point and shoot
Just like every other firearm on earth dummy. You still have to hit someone in a critical area.
People survive shotgun suicide attempts. Quit playing video games
>>77061165
Those definitely don't seem like "first shots" because the gun was being fired right at the beginning of the video, so it obviously missed some. I'm fairly certain this isnt the very beginning of the incident like you suggest, even if it is very close.
Also I'm not sure what you're implying by it sounding like "real gunfire". It sounds real to me.
>>77057549
that overwatch reference tho
>>77060981
The officer is alive, his Kevlar saved him.
>>77057123
>what is a sear
>>77058793
underrated post
>>77056150
Based Japan
This should be the cry America shouts after these incidents
We're getting shot up because we believe we can't win.
>>77055743
The rifle was confused for a huge black dildo, they would never have seen it coming.
>>77061454
An AR in any caliber is much easier to just point and shoot than a 9mm handgun or even a .45 pdw at the range this guy was using it. Quit being a fucking mong.
>>77061463
how? it sounds like a freaking recording.
and these are the first shots, they played the video over and over again saying "first shots being fired" i was watching the news from when the story first hit. It seems bogus though. No gun is gonna fire like that at a constant beat.
I never knew how hard it was to get full auto guns in the US
What's the point in owning an AR15 if it isn't full auto?
>>77056631
But /k/ gets triggered when someone spouts that same meme. It's fuddlore.
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcfullau.html
>>77060071
gay bars rarely do... too much drugs, underaged drinking and open sex going on... and when they do it's for blackmailing purposes... when politicians etc come to visit and the club needs a "favor" ...
>>77061165
I used to live in the ghetto, sounds pretty legit to me if that's supposed to be a rifle
In movies they use cannon sounds for shotguns and rifles and shotgun sounds for pistols but in real life gunshots are often mistaken for firecrackers
Every Saturday night I used to hear from somewhere in my neighborhood 'pop, pop. Pop. Poppoppoppoppop.' And then sirens a few minutes later.
>>77058194
>You can buy a grandfathered one but they're expensive as fuk.
>illegal
pick one and only one. you just need the correct paperwork
>>77060000
You're absolutely right. Even frangible 5.56 is lethal, why would full metal jacket be any less lethal?
Nice numbers, too.
>>77061894
i still live in the ghetto and when i hear shots being fired it sounds nothing like this. I mean yea it sounds like gun fire, but its like on a beat like they told someone to make gun fire sound effects and record it to make it seem like its real. No shooter is gonna shoot at a constant beat like that unless hes playing a fucking rhythm game based on shooting a gun to the beat.
>>77061832
Full auto offers limited utility- it's fun, but not really an efficient method for engaging targets. For most purposes, semi-auto is preferred. Real firearms are unlike the caricatures depicted by Hollywood.
>>77061790
>No gun is gonna fire like that at a constant beat.
It is if you're firing semi-auto and you've trained to pop off ~2 rounds per second. Gives you time to make sure the muzzle is back on target and to service multiple targets.
>>77060785
>The solution for the 'gun problem' is to have more people with concealed carry to kill that fucker before his first mag change.
Sign me up.
Quick question: could this shooter have been taken down with a very well placed 22 MAG round from something like a NAA Sidewinder?
>>77061700
I want to believe in this shitpost, imagine if he did actually disguise it as a huge black dildo
>>77056404
Found the nigger
>>77061790
I'm only gonna reply to you one more time, because I know you want this to be an inside job or whatever.
First of all, just because the news says "first shots" they could have meant the shooter had started spraying a minute ago, but had just started. Not necessarily the very first shots. Dont take things so literally.
Second, the audio is shit. It sounds like a recording because of the shitty phone.
Third, do you know what a gun sounds like? Guns fire at constant beats.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0f7OCnrrpk
The gun in this video (though not the same gun) fires at a fairly consistent beat. There's nothing strange about that.
>>77056170
The front entrance was probably not the only way in. He could easily have sneaked in through the fire escape or even through a roof hatch. Club security probably isn't the best.
>>77058728
>AR15 alternative calibers
>.308
>noguns talking about guns
>>77062219
ok so then it would have to be someone trained, not some US citizen that was a part of ISIS.
Drum mags on ARs are shit.
We had them in my unit at Bragg. We never used them because they caused stoppages all the time.
>>77062128
It's going to be grouped in twos, but if you hear myself, my father, or my brother doing figure-8 drills it's going to be on beat. Just because you would dump your mag, it doesn't mean that a patient shooter will.
>>77060909
You are as retraded as the guy you are responding to.
Lethality has always been at the forefront of round selection. NO ONE is picking round that wounds rather than kills because a wounded enemy can STILL KILL YOUR GUYS.
Early .223 did have a tendency to tumble (and thereby cause wounds which were problematic under the geneva convention.
This is is why modern military variants have lower rate of twist than earlier models.
Link those publications faggot, because i guaranfuckingtee you misunderstood their content.
>/pol/ in charge of knowing anything about ballistics
>>77056603
>>7705944
Military strategy diring design was to kill half and injure half, as that was a good blend of neutralize the enemy with deplete their resources via recovery and treatment of the wounded.
>>77062248
Doesn't matter in this situation, Florida law makes carrying a firearm in a bar or club illegal.
In a perfect world though, yes.
>>77056150
That's not how it works. I would not endorse this kind of behavior for anyone. A trained shooter can reload well within 5 seconds. Taking into account the confusion and chaos that is present during a mass shooting event, coupled with the uncertainty of when the shooter actually has to reload, the likelihood of someone actually getting within arm's distance of the shooter let alone incapacitating them is unjustifiably low.
>>77062321
Alright so then I guess whoever was shooting was either shooting randomly or shooting and hitting all his targets (unlikely unless he is well trained in which case its a fucking psy-op)
>>77059163
Wounded Knee was worse.
>>77056536
They are certainly not illegal, but the guy bought the gun a few days before the attack, and that's fuckhard to get approved.
Plus, think some dude like that is going to have $10k+ laying around for the gun and tax?
>>77062834
He was a security guard. It was likely his job to be well trained in the use of weapons.
Pretty sure he isn't some Paul Blart motherfucker, either.
>>77062834
What the fuck are you talking about? He could've been firing and missing? I never said anything about his accuracy. Even if he misses a fucking shot the gun is still gonna make noise.
>>77062374
The two are not mutually exclusive. It doesn't take military instruction to learn how to pace shots. Enough range time, and so long as you're calm and don't get your blood up, it comes naturally.
>>77062990
im saying he hit 103 targets, he either had 103 bullets in 1 magazine, or when he reloaded no one even tried to stop him in which case they deserved to fucking die.
>>77060399
the point of the 5.56 is that it's light. You can have a very light gun that holds 30 rounds. It's made for walking around all day. .308 and .30-06 are serious real deal rifle rounds.
make no mistake, 5.56 is a lethal round. There were problems in the vietnam era because they used shitty ammo in the early part of the war.
>>77062834
He was shooting into a crowd that had no place to run to, it was gay fish in a barrel
>>77059570
5.56 is designed to be adequate at short-to-medium ranges and light to carry. Assault rifles replaced battle rifles mainly because of their lightness, and the lightness of their ammo, which helps troops be mobile. It's a bit of a shame for the marksmen, who could benefit from the added range more than the saved weight, but you can give the good ones bigger rifles that use machine gun rounds. The average soldier is more likely to get his ass saved by being able to afford a three-round burst rather than a single shot.
It'll go in one side of a person and out the other, so it kills people just fine. Much better than a single round from any pistol or submachinegun. Without expanding bullets, you need a much bigger bullet to have a significantly better effect, and expanding bullets are frowned on for a number of reasons (less penetration through armor or light cover being the main one -- there's some bullshit about humanitarian considerations, but shrapnel's a hundred times worse and nobody has problems with inflicting it on the enemy).
Assault rifles are, unfortunately, nearly ideal for mass shootings, for the same characteristics, but not for the same reasons. Compared to pistols and submachine guns, the rounds are much more deadly, particularly when it comes to shooting through one person and hitting another, or dealing with body armor on police. Compared to more powerful rifles, the smaller ammunition means good high-capacity magazines, and the general lightness means they're more concealable and portable. And if you want to kill a lot of defenseless people, you want to carry a lot of rounds and some backup weapons, possibly armor. The weight adds up.
>>77062128
You are fucking retarded, please stop posting
>>77062891
Doesn't cost 10k more like 600 for the rifle and 80 for the drum clip. Pistol maybe another 600
>>77063109
Yes. Because in a situation of panic the first reaction of everyone in the building would've been to play the hero and rush the guy, reloading or not.
Go fuck yourself buddy. Take your tinfoil hat with you.
>>77061165
sounds like .223 to me. shit is loud, really high pressure round.
>>77063127
That's what I got my AK in the .308 platform is a wrecker
>>77063345
Ex military worked there, so yes that shoulda been his first fucking priority rather then crying on the ground like a little bitch.
>>77062248
a well placed 22WMR will kill, no problem
But, to be honest, don't understand why a dozen or so burly faggots didn't beat this asshole to death with their bare hands
>>77062677
.223 CANT EVEN KILL A FUCKING DEER RELIABLY
yeah sure we moved from .30-06 to .223/5.56 because the latter is so lethal
>has less power
>has less range
>more lethal
makes sense
hurr special wound/tumble so deadly durr
>>77056174
Shooting single shots is more effective than full auto.
>>77063239
>Assault rifles are, unfortunately, nearly ideal for mass shootings
Good thing nobody uses them, then. Now, semi-auto sporting rifles modeled after the most common military AR, those get used all the time, for the above reasons.
>>77063306
>fully auto weapon for 600 dollars
>clip
Please stahp.
>>77063127
Yeah, I've heard that too, that the entire purpose of the M-16 and 5.56 round is logistics over capability, it's all just about more bullets per unit of weight, it makes sense I guess
>>77063306
Yes, for an entry level semi-auto AR-15 it costs that much. He obviously didn't use a machine gun. The approval process for a legal, transferable machine gun takes like 6+ months (you have to pay the ATF $200 for a tax stamp and wait for them to do the paperwork). Additionally, the gun would have to be made after '86, or he'd have to be LEO, a special kind of FFL, or a manufacturer to get newer stuff.
>>77062248
>NAA Sidewinder
head shot except frontal forehead (denser bone)
Maybe a lucky 'between the ribs' shot into the heart or a paralyizing spine shot. Generally, you need a longer barrel for the powder to completely burn and get higher velocity (higher penetration).
>>77063473
Ex-military or not, if the shooter has a gun and he doesnt what the fuck is he going to do.
I get that you want there to be some sort of psy-ops or whatever, and I'd be ok with that if there was more evidence. but you're basing it on literally nothing.
You're basing this on (let's recap)
1. The sound quality of the video, which was recorded on a shitter phone
2. The beat of the shots (which means nothing)
3. The number of cops in the video (Which again, you cant prove those were the first shots fired, other than "OH THE NEWS SAID IT WAS" which I already said could just be a miscommunication)
4 Nobody tried to stop the shooter (I'd like to see you do that)
5. Ex-military worked there (Again, if he doesnt have a gun, how much can he do against someone armed?)
So can you honestly say it's psy-ops? Really?
>>77059057
>liberal war logic, the meme
>>77063495
The psychological impact of having a rifle pointed in your face is not something to be taken lightly. You have to consider as well that he was shooting a relatively loud cartridge indoors. Mixed with what I imagine would have been gay techno music played through sixty speakers, the victims were likely in a daze.
>>77063473
what the fuck are we paying taxes for if ex military can't even bring down a terrorist when hes not on the battlefield anymore.
>inb4 MUH FLASHBACKS
my fucking gym teacher in high school was a veteran of the vietnam war and when he had a flash back he would go fucking nuts and start throwing balls at random students, not cry like a bitch.
>guise it is so deadly
THE WOUND IS SPECIAL TRUST ME
>>77062785
shooter's have tunnel vision - tackle them from the side or from behind
>>77063811
Well not full auto but I can go buy a sporting rifle for 600 right now and take a Dremel to the sere plate if I was so inclined.
>>77062779
Precisely why this location was chosen for a mass shooting. No-one to fire back. Just like Movie Theatres, Schools, etc..
Fuck gun control.
>>77063239
>more likely to save themselves with a three round burst rather than single fire
You're fucking retarded, please do not ever post about something you know nothing about again.
Burst is literal waste of ammo and every single study into it has concluded that it is garbage.
>>77057005
No. Semi Automatic is as fast as you can pull the trigger. Burst fire is considered automatic.
Imagine if the bouncers, or if at least half of the people in the club, were armed.
How does one man go on a shooting spree that tallies 50+ victims? He shoots people who are unarmed.
>b-but what if he just didn't have a firearm!?
>we need more gun control!
We have too much gun control already; it's why shooting sprees have become worse in this nation. The victims of these sprees have been offered up on a silver platter to anyone willing to pull the trigger. Gun control does nothing to keep guns out of the hands of people who intend to do illegal shit with their guns. Even a ban on all firearms wouldn't deter someone dedicated to committing a mass shooting. People who have already decided to murder aren't going to give a flying fuck about gun laws.
>>77063916
yep, military are trained in hand to hand combat, he had no excuse when the guy was reloading. He was a gat damn pussy or was told to not do shit. Also every fucking interview they've had with people seems so fucking bad. Hell there was a spanish lady who said her son and his girlfriend were at the club. Doesn't even make sense considering it was a gay nightclub.
>>77063521
Look man, you clearly don't know a lot about guns, .223 is super powerful okay, just ask any pro-gun control person
>>77058196
my man....
>>77056150
>people actually believe they could do this
Real life is not a movie. There is no slow motion.
>>77063897
See this
>>77064074
>>77063928
Can't forget about the soporific effect of semen and amyl nitrate.
>>77059244
This
>>77063521
>.223 CANT EVEN KILL A FUCKING DEER RELIABLY
30-06 can't even kill a deer reliably, if you place your shot badly. .22 LR will kill a deer reliably if you place your shot perfectly. .223's good for a clean kill as long as you get a lung, the liver, or a major artery in the neck or leg.
Maybe sometimes (at range) it won't do the spine or skull like a heavier round, but mostly .223 isn't great for deer mostly because of the range, and accuracy at range. Deer are skittish. Deer rifles usually have scopes. You want to be able to place a long shot nicely.
>>77064156
Good job refuting my other points. And so what if he was trained in hand to hand? If the gunman is 10 feet away he cant reach him dumbass.
I could be the best fighter in the world and if I charge a shooter and get shot on my way over it doesnt fucking matter.
>>77056404
>file the firing pin
>it now doesn't strike the primer with enough force
>a significant number of rounds end up as duds that you have to manually cycle
>the rest fire semi-auto
BRILLIANT!
>>77064162
>this is what the left actually believes
>>77064150
Why the fuck would you want to go to a club where dozens of people are packing heat, that sounds legitimately terrifying. Obviously has to be a rhetorical question because someone with your mindset has likely never actually been to a city, or possibly even outdoors within the last decade.
>>77056507
I thought he had a firefight outside the club first, and THEN went in and shot and took hostages.
>>77064156
implying straight people never go to gay clubs
>>77055743
>>77056170
Wtf is a bouncer going to do against a Muslim? If he's going to kill people he's not going to wait in line to get in to a club
