Is the Islamic attack in Florida more likely to get guns banned or Trump the presidency?
No. The founding fathers clearly meant that every man should be able to kill 50 people in under a minute.
>>76963778
Trump presidency obviously. Gun are already out of control in the US and nothing can change that.
>>76963778
Guns aren't going anywhere, mudshits must go. They are killing libs left and right, I don't know why the left is intent on getting themselves killed by the religion of peace. Trump will be Pres.
>>76963934
"These rights shall not be infringed!"
Kill yourself subversive piece of shit.
>>76963778
More likely Trump than the guns, though both are distinctly possible.
Trump will point out that the news stopped talking about motivation and religion the moment it became obvious the shooter was Muslim. The media relies on their smoke and mirrors to get away with their spin; he won't allow them to.
>>76963957
>Out of control
The percentage of the US population that died from a gun last year is less than 1%, who gives a fuck?
>>76963934
Yeah. They did say that freedom was worth the off-handed chance of violence.
>>76963778
Trump presidency
He's certain to get more than 70% of the white vote and that puts him at 49% automatically. If he gets even a few niggers to vote for him he can reach 51%
>>76963934
SHALL
This shooting guarantees a Trump presidency. The United States is sick and tired of the weakness and pandering the U.S. Has shown to the world under the Obama administration and the constant lying and excuses made by Democrats for Muslims.
>>76963778
TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP
>>76963934
I agree comerade! Ban these assault printers that can spew out free speech at 50 ppm! The founding fathers could never imagine an automatic printing press! Or a information weapon of mass destruction like a computer connected to the intranets!
They will blame and ban Trump.
>>76963934
Good think your not american huh!
I can see it going against Trump, wait for media to spin it, the muzzies are angry at Trump's policies should he become president. during black Muslim man's presidential run no muzzies shot up clubs. it wasn't until Trump wanted to build wall that they started. dude was a democrap voter too so already a dislike for Trump
Neither. This will be out of the public conscience by Wednesday.
>>76963934
gays =/= people
>>76963778
1>3>2
>>76963778
Out of the two, Trump presidency.
Anti-gun folks obviously see this as another "SEE?!? GUNS BAD!!!" moment, but the rest of us don't consider a Muslim killing dozens of people a valid reason to disarm. The opposite, if anything.
Trump.
And you can help, just share this.
>>76964250
You have to remember what a gun looked like when your little constitution was written. No one could imagine what sort of assault weapons we have today so therefore it obviously doesn't apply. Your right to carry single shot muskets shouldn't be infringed though.
>>76963778
trump presidency. no doubt about it now.
>>76963778
it'd be easier to remove the muslims from the USA than it would be to remove all the guns.
>>76965374
They had "assault" weapons back in those days.
>>76963778
http://endtimesforecaster.blogspot.com/2016/05/hoover-dam-watch-and-false-messiah.html
6/12/2016. Day of Reckoning Could Arrive on Sunday June 12.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyZY59WJ4BY
does no one remember what this guy said?
>>76965374
Could they imagine computers? Printers? Fax machines? Telephones? Yet we have freedom of speech. Freedom of the press.
>>76965374
This argument has never gone anywhere, whether it's about guns or communication technology.
>>76963778
We don't need more gun control, we need Islam control. They are a dangerous animal and as with all dangerous animals they must be caged or destroyed
>>76963778
There is a 0% chance that gun control will happen. This event runs precisely in line with the Republican Pro-Gun narrative, and precisely against the Leftist Pro-Muslim narrative.
The Democrats as the pro-gay party are also going to take a serious hammering now that they're wheeling out Muslims to apologize for this shit and not talking AT ALL about how their pet rats willfully attacked and butchered a bunch of queers.
>>76963778
make america gay again !!!!
jajajaja
It will help Trump but Trump is anti-gun and will likely enact gun control legislation if elected president.
>election year
>muslim shooter
>its Ramadan
>refugee parents
>shooting at a gay bar
>shooter is a registered democrat
>it's a swing state
Hillary would be fucking pissed.
>>76965891
>Trump is anti-gun and will likely enact gun control legislation if elected president.
You're stupid.
>>76963778
Oh, so you for a fact that it wasn't anti-gay hate crime since the dumbass was making threats about gays previously? Why take his word for his own actions? gump never PreZ
>>76963778
Trump is wrong, we should only let the nice ones in.
>>76965628
I don't think anyone would make the case that too much freedom of speech is bad. Conversely every sane person would agree that guns are a necessary evil. Your little amendment exists because guns serve a purpose not that they have inherent value.
Consider the liberal foundation of the US there can't be too much free speech there can be too much gun.
>>76963778
I have been checking out liberals forums. And retards there are screaming about gun control rather than discuss the motives of the shooter and when they do they completely leave the fact that he was muslim out of the equation and that his motives are just hate for the LGBT community so it is a hate crime.
For them the fact that he was part of one of the religions that hate gays in the world the most isn't important at all.
Thje hypocrisy is palpable when you think that if the shooter was a white Christian they would go out of their way to proclaim white christian racist and the like.
>>76963778
Trump presidency. There's no way in hell this is going to cause anyone that isn't already a hardcore leftist to say "we need to get rid of the guns!"
They tried that shit with sandy hook. They failed.
They tried that shit with San Bernardino. They failed.
They'll try again with Omar. It will fail.
It's so stupid it's to the point of parody. You KNOW the media is going to ignore the fact that it was a muslim shooting up fags and just go full steam with the gun control bullshit. But it won't work because it's such an obvious facade, just like san bernardino. Even normies can see through that sort of bullshit. We ALL KNOW it's about islam.
Meanwhile, this situation is a perfect example of why trump was right.
>>76965891
He's campaigning on the opposite. Obviously, anyone can say something, but it would be pretty stupid for him to "trick" people like that and expect no consequences.
Guns won't be banned, but it seems extremely unlikely that stricter gun control won't be enforced. Seeing as the new laws would just be reinforcements on laws that already exist I wouldn't see the issue with them anyway in terms of "infringing" people's rights.
I don't think there is a coherent argument against making sure crazy people can't get guns, making sure people know how to use guns and that they are stored safely, and making sure that guns are properly registered and accounted for.
>>76964389
>The percentage of the US population that died from a gun last year is less than 1%, who gives a fuck?
Exactly. 3 million dead a year. That's 60 times more than the total number killed in the entire Vietnam War. It's like 60 Vietnams every year - year after year after year after year. Who gives a fuck? I don't :)
>>76963778
Am more interested in the girl holding the Trump sign. She's gorgeous!
>>76966579
>3 million
I said less than 1, it was something like .0004
Any idea what guns he actually used?
>>76966576
They tried registration in NY and we largely told them to go fuck themselves
http://www.npr.org/2015/07/24/425966334/flouting-the-law-some-new-yorkers-wont-register-guns
>>76966740
:(
Wiki says it's only 33,169 killed in 2013. 0.001% of the US population. That's like one Vietnam every two years. What a gyp.
>>76966630
>He's interested in the piggy fridge
British """""""""""""taste"""""""""""""""
>>76965374
By your logic, the first amendment doesn't apply to TV, radio, or the Internet since those mediums of speech didn't exist in the 18th century, and thermal imaging is exempt from the fourth amendment because that thing didn't exist in the 1700s.
>>76966780
>"an assault-type weapon, a handgun and "some type of (other) device on him."
that's all we know for now, it seems.
>>76965587
Why do you have to lie?
>semi-automatic
No. You had to cock the hammer for each shot
>fired much faster
No.
>much farther
No.
>hit much harder
Very no.
Honestly it all depends on the tune of leaders in the LGBT community. It could go either way at this point. Trump has a good chance to make a great impression on Monday
>>76966972
That's real neat-o and everything, but the fact those people are breaking the law is significant. This just proves gun control is likely to happen more.
The idea that it's the first step towards taking away your guns is just plain retarded. Plenty of nations in the world have lots of guns and lots of strict gun control.
>>76967191
And 300,000 people died of obesity are you going to ban assault Twinkies too?
>>76967191
Take out suicides and its like a Vietnam ever six or seven years. Take out gang bangers who died and its like living in Belgium but with lower taxes and shitty social services.
>>76966576
>I don't think there is a coherent argument against making sure crazy people can't get guns, making sure people know how to use guns and that they are stored safely, and making sure that guns are properly registered and accounted for.
>making sure crazy people can't get guns
And who decides who counts as crazy? If the left has their way, anyone with conservative leanings is crazy. It's too loose a definition and it WILL be abused in the future because it will be a foothold for further gun control
>making sure people know how to use guns
If the left cared about gun safety training, they would make firearm courses mandatory in public schools. Just like driver's education. But they don't because they don't actually care about this. They just want to use it as just another hoop toward preventing lawful citizens from owning guns. And this would only even help with accidental gun deaths, which are incredibly rare and insignificant
>making sure they're stored safely
See above. Doesn't really help at all. Also impedes the usage of guns for home defense. The time it takes to fumble with your keys and get into your gun safe can mean the difference between life and death in a home invasion situation.
>making sure guns are properly registered
How does this help in any way?
>>76966780
AR15 and handgun
>>76967261
Lol his face
>>76967261
>that guy's face
What is it trying to convey
>>76967737
>handgun
Was going to say, one cop had his helmet stop a round but something from a rifle would easily bypass an average kevlar helmet.
>>76967421
The first amendment says congress can't make laws that limit freedom of speech or press.
Meanwhile your little gun law says your right to bear arms should not be infringed. It does however no say it should be expanded. It's only natural to understand this within the context of a different time when guns were very different. Where does it end? Personal nuclear launchers? You'd feel so safe!
>>76965374
You have to remember that one of the reasons why the colonies were able to effectively bloody a much larger, better trained force is that colonists were often fielding rifles instead of muskets and were thus able to fire aimed shots at significantly greater distances and with a higher rate of fire rather than use the volley methods of the British Army.
They didn't have to imagine assault weapons, they just had to figure out who had the money or shooting skill to get them.
>>76967635
Hell no. Are you crazy? I want to kill MORE Americans, not less. I say open the gates and allow for no bans on any types of guns. I wanna see M60s and RPGs and flamethrowers in the streets of LA, baby. As for Twinkies, they should be supplied free by the state in every primary school coast to coast. FREEDUMS BABY. If you disagree youre a faggot new york hippie
>>76967627
I think you're confusing how they do shit in the UK with how they do shit in the US.
>>76965305
brazilians =/= white
>>76967822
>What did he mean by this
>>76967191
Oh no, not <0.001% or less than any of the top 50 diseases killing Americans! And most of them are niggers shot by other niggers? A true tragedy!
>>76967994
The Supreme Court has rejected that argument. For legal purposes, you're objectively wrong.
>>76967994
>little gun laws
Lol, this guys trying so hard to be condescending.
>>76963778
The first, till november - then the other.
going to be both.
>>76963934
Your faggotry is far more destructive than any "assault weapon"
>>76967994
You can't expand the second amendment because it's already all encompassing
You cuck scandis need to stick with fellating Arabs
>>76963934
Actually accurate.
>>76968079
germany = once white never again
>>76968024
>flamethrowers
Flamethrowers are essentially completely unregulated across the country already. Seems theres a flaw in your argument...
>>76963778
If children getting shot can't push a gun ban through a room full of faggots won't either.
Also the fact that he was muslim will pretty much put trump in the whtiehouse and hillary into the jailhouse.
>tfw you don't mind gay people and find the shooting tragic
>>76968208
A bunch of old farts in ceremonial dresses can be just as wrong as the next guy.
>>76963778
And the founding fathers could do that and more.
I seem to remember that you could own a private warship outfitted with numerous cannons.
Sounds way more destructive than an AR-15 to me.
>>76968024
put out the fire.
It's all a ploy
>>76968437
> the next guy
I'm glad you admit you're wrong and also stupid
>>76966579
Less than 1% you fucking leaf. IIRC its closer to 30000 people and 2/3 of those are suicides. The US has less than 10000 gun murders a year for a country of over 300000000 with almost as many guns as people, its not bad.
>>76967191
That number includes suicides. The number killed in homicides and gun accidents combined is around 10,000.
>>76966346
>I don't think anyone would make the case that too much freedom of speech is bad.
Didnt bad (hate) words just get banned in the entire EU?
>>76968476
Meant for >>76963934
>>76966376
You nailed it Argentinbro. However, I think that the far far left still in denial of islam and its true intentions are just a very vocal minority. Most people can see that Islam is irreconcilable with the modern world and would seek to take action against it.
Problem is, those far far left vocal minority folk arent a minority in Congress. All it takes is for one person to start spewing out terms like: "racist, islamophobe, and bigot" and suddenly all logic goes out the window. No one wants to be called one of those, and you cant combat it without using equally inflammatory rhetoric. Its truly just a dung flinging shitshow, and its only going to get worse because of this.
>>76965374
Ever heard of a cannon buddy?
>>76965374
They had early gatling guns. Small guns that could let off sixteen or so bullets with a singke pull of the trigger.
The very point of guns was warding off the type of tyranny keeping hold of Europe, same as with a far, far more protected freedon of speech.
>>76968549
>hapy
Other than that...
>>76968437
Not in this country on legal matter. They are literally the final arbiters. From an objective legal perspective in the United States or it's territories, the standard is not what arms were available when the 2nd Amendment was written but what arms are in common use today, with a possible exception for weapons that are "unusually dangerous" or unsuited for the core right of self defense such as machine guns.
You might disagree as a matter of language, history, or subjective opinion. As a matter of law, you're wrong.
>>76967994
>Personal nuclear launchers?
The second amendment protects the right to keep and bare arms, nukes aren't arms.
They're ordanance, you're also not expressly allowed to own dynamite or napalm for the same reason.
>mfw people don't understand that nukes are really just small reactors designed to overload on the first pop rather than actual bombs.
>>76968916
>>76968476
Pretty sure you couldn't shoot up a gay bar with a cannon or a warship. Well, unless it was on the coast.
>>76963957
>literally more people die from heart attacks than guns
Ban assault cheeseburgers
>>76968549
>literally hitler
>hapy
dropped
>>76964745
NOT
>>76965374
Your countries will be killing gays soon enough without gun rights. Don't think your dying race and culture has a place to speak in this.
>>76963778
Meh. Your local McDonalds kills more every year.
It was a semi decent shot at a new FPS high score. Breivik remains unbeaten though.
Ok everyone focuses on the peoples right to bear arms but its not saying the public, its literally saying a well regulated militia. How can people ignore that?
>>76967676
>How do we decide who is crazy?
You already have background checks and restrictions on who can own guns. They're just not properly or thoroughly enforced. I'm just using "crazy" as shorthand here for any person that has served prison time for violent crimes.
Lots of countries require these kinds of checks. Do you have proof that any of them have abused it?
>If the left cared about gun safety they'd teach people how to use guns at school!
Sounds like you agree that people should be taught how to use guns. You are absolutely right that mandatory gun training or at least a gun license is a way of stopping people getting guns -- people that can't show they have the basic common sense to own a fucking gun.
>Proper gun safety and story doesn't reduce accidental gun deaths or accidents.
So countries with high legal gun ownership and requirements for gun safety have dramatically lower rates of accidental gun violence, because why? Magic? Americans are retarded?
Guns aren't used in home defense so I don't consider that a real argument. You might as well argue you need a shotgun under your pillow in case aliens turn up.
>How does gun registration help?
A lot of guns that make it into the hands of criminals are bought legally by someone else. It would stop you being able to shadily buy guns on the down low legally. There would also be a record of who owns assault rifles.
What did she my by this?
>>76968771
>it's not so bad
That's what I'm saying! The total deaths are a trivially small amount! We need to scrap ALL existing gun laws! For fucks sake, is this a totalitarian state or the land of the free?
>>76968434
>Flamethrowers are essentially completely unregulated across the country already. Seems theres a flaw in your argument...
You call it a flaw. I call it a lucky break. FLAMETHROWERS FOR ALL! Sensible policies for a better tomorrow!
>>76969144
Coast or River. And look where all of the major faggot areas in the US are.
Florida, California, and New York.
>>76967627
All it proves is that you can try all you want but we're never giving up our gun, even the police are on our. You have a Sheriff in right in that article saying he's not going to enforce it.
I don't even own any guns and I know it will never happen
>Norwegian gun control faggot
>ID: oYDI8eQt
Filtered
>>76969431
Anyway, warships aren't covered by the second amendment.
>>76969279
>I can't read
The right of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed. The first clause doesn't change the meaning.
>>76969403
one hole is clearly tighter than the other. I don't think there's really anything else to say about that photo.
>>76969403
>the shape of their vags
>>76969545
Riddle me this, how come the first amendment is crystal clear and straightforward while no one can agree on the second? It's written by the same people at the same time so it makes little sense to conclude it basically means "no rules!".
>>76968828
>The number killed in homicides and gun accidents combined is around 10,000.
Yes, a tragically small figure. If I had it my way, I'd air drop m-16s until the entire nation was knee deep in it so the fun could really begin. FREEDUM BABY
>>76964250
He's right, anon. Arms does not mean mother-fucking machine-bazookas. There's an arbitrary point where the law determines what level of self-defense is appropriate for the safety of everyone. This massacre proves that this arbitrary line is in the wrong place. Maybe an airgun for self-defense would be fine, but letting hateful faggots access military assault weapons is just fucking idiocy.
>>76963778
Sandy Hook didn't produce change. I think Americans have to accept that we're pretty fucking stupid and that we embrace policies that mean every year there will be dozens of massacres and school shootings in this country. Trump isn't helping at the moment by promoting hate. What we need now is more affirmation of minorities, like gay people and Latinos. Trump is promoting the opposite.
>>76963934
yeah i think so
you could also own warships
A vote for Hillary is a Vote for Islam.
>>76968166
Most of them are actually suicides
>>76969698
The second one is crystal clear and straightfoward if you are familiar with the english language.
>Muslim terror attack
>In this time of heightened suspicion of Islam
>While the Dems are supporting more Muslim refugees, more uncontrolled immigration, with only Trump standing between people and these types of attacks
>In a vital swing state
>In a state where Trump has long-standing ties and is well liked
Florida is going red for sure now. By at least 10-15 points.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Trump take a 5 point national lead in the next few days.
>>76964174
>killing libs left and right
Sorry, I don't see the issue.
>>76965315
actually 2>3>1
any info on the middle qt
Both. Trump wins or we ban guns and Trump wins even more.
>>76969144
Canon's weren't just on ships. And yes, you could kill multiple people with canons. You've put your foot in your mouth and obviously don't understand that the founders (products of the enlightenment) were intelligent enough to know that the technology of guns would increase as time went by.
Shall not be infringed.
America would be great again if it was whites only.
>>76969518
Not modern warships but both cannons that fire cannonballs and large 16th-18th century ships certainly are legal.
>>76969403
I hate Chloe, why did /b/ even worship this cunt?
>>76965374
Presumably the right to Freedom of Religion does not apply to religions that were not around back then?
>>76969268
>hacked
>99% of the time the default password is 1234
>>76969798
How about you just leave, nobody wants or needs you in this country
>>76967191
>all those people died
>think of all the QTs
>>76963778
R E G I S T E R E D D E M O C R A T
>>76970013
Because they're all her age
>>76969117
You're completely incorrect about nuclear weapons. They are in fact detonated explosive devices. They are not "mini reactors"
>>76970013
Because /b/ is a bunch of underage faggots
>>76968437
These particular old farts decide what the law is in this country, so in matters of law they aren't wrong, basically by definition.
>>76969268
>prirson
>>76969858
there you go
>>76969858
didn't trump insult POWs
and he's still backtracking
>>76969268
Damn. The vandal can spell better than the news company
>>76969403
As a young and beautiful individual miss piggy needs to eat big an heavy donuts to maintain her fridge-eque shape and form.
While hillary is showing us subtly why Bill needed to rape women.
>>76970151
Mostly blacks and men.
>>76970101
>hacked
We watchdogs now.
>>76969403
This would be better with glazed donuts.
>>76968079
White or not, Brazil-bro is still righ. And if you had a ounce of masculinity left in you Hans you would know that.
>>76965891
Under-rated post. He has historically and consistently been in favor of gun grabbing, though he's talking a different game as a candidate.
>>76966449
Protip -- politicians lie.
>>76969464
Whether you actually enforce it or not isn't really that important -- especially if you have to register any new guns you buy. The fact you can arrest and take guns away from someone that has unregistered guns is important.
And as far as I can tell all that article says is that some people haven't registered their guns. They've passed sensible gun control laws in NY. It has already happened.
>>76969389
>You already have background checks and restrictions on who can own guns. They're just not properly or thoroughly enforced. I'm just using "crazy" as shorthand here for any person that has served prison time for violent crimes.
But we already have gun bans for felons. And they ARE properly enforced. The issue is that criminals get guns illegally. Who would have thought?
>Sounds like you agree that people should be taught how to use guns. You are absolutely right that mandatory gun training or at least a gun license is a way of stopping people getting guns -- people that can't show they have the basic common sense to own a fucking gun.
you're completely ignoring everything else I said. Make gun training available to all people in school. Not just something you have to do extra in order to own a gun. And also, it shouldn't be a requirement to own a gun anyway. But it shoudl still be available. But this will never happen, because leftists just claim they want to increase safety, when in reality they just want to make it more difficult to get guns.
>So countries with high legal gun ownership and requirements for gun safety have dramatically lower rates of accidental gun violence, because why? Magic? Americans are retarded?
>Guns aren't used in home defense so I don't consider that a real argument. You might as well argue you need a shotgun under your pillow in case aliens turn up.
Well first of all, you're misquoting me. So that's not even an argument. Also, "guns aren't used for defense" LEL
>A lot of guns that make it into the hands of criminals are bought legally by someone else. It would stop you being able to shadily buy guns on the down low legally. There would also be a record of who owns assault rifles.
You realize you can file and stamp off registration numbers right? hell, you can easily get receiver flats and just make your own AK without needing a registration number. This is pointless and just takes power away from legal citizens
>>76963934
First post, best post. The 2nd amendment has been perverted beyond belief
>>76969877
It's hardly controversial to say that people more learned than both you and me disagree on how to interpret the second amendment.
So I ask you again. If the first and second amendment basically mean the same - no limits ever - why is one crystal clear and categorical while the other isn't?
>>76970259
They decide the law but they don't decide what your precious founding fathers meant. So in that sense they can very well be wrong.
>>76970419
Hill should have a powdered yeast donut
>>76969858
noice, saved
How will far left/far right people take it?
For the left: A muslim (people they want to import) is killing gays (people they want to "liberate")
For the right: A muslim (people they want out of the country) is killing gays (people they want out of the country)
It's a bit of a dilemma
>>76969545
is the malitia da police?
>>76969389
>You already have background checks and restrictions on who can own guns. They're just not properly or thoroughly enforced.
NICS actually works really well. The problem in the US isn't that people get through NICS, its straw purchasers. The NRA has been arguing for years that we need to enforce the laws we already have, but that argument always seems to be mocked.
>You are absolutely right that mandatory gun training or at least a gun license is a way of stopping people getting guns
I'll never sign off on licensure, but if you want mandatory firearm safety training to be part of the high school curriculum at State expense I'd be amenable.
>Guns aren't used in home defense so I don't consider that a real argument.
Guns are used in home defense in the US all the time. Thats actually the core right the Supreme Court identified in Heller v. DC and McDonald v. Chicago.
>>76970156
Yet another crazy left wing shooter.
>>76963778
Jewish propaganda can do wonders, even if it goes against basic logic.
>>76969907
i live in florida and i can say that as the largest swing state we are important(seen in bush election) also we have alot of old people most per capita and they LOVE trump, im glad to say that thanks to this florida will swing red this time
>>76964745
10/10 topbanter m8
>>76969389
>A lot of guns that make it into the hands of criminals are bought legally by someone else. It would stop you being able to shadily buy guns on the down low legally. There would also be a record of who owns assault rifles.
I'm going to assume you're arguing in good faith. That last sentence is why we resist registration. We don't want a record of who owns what because it makes confiscation easier. I live in Chicago and when we had registration I knew people who followed the law, registered a gun, and later got a letter demanding they either show proof of sale or turn the gun in without compensation because an update to the law made that gun illegal. For legal gun owners, registration is the first step towards confiscation.
As for straw purchasing. Every first-sale weapon is sold by an FFL who has to keep a record of the transaction. The ATF can run checks on serial numbers when guns are recovered by law enforcement. If the Federal government was enforcing these laws properly, every gang banger caught with a gun would see that gun traced and the straw purchaser arrested. Until that starts happening, us gun owners are going to resist any new law.
>>76970478
>some
There's more people not registering than there are registering and Cuomo is already repealing pieces of the legislation because of the pressure. This was a reactionary bill signed overnight in secret without any discussion, we do not want it.
>>76969418
It a flaw in that you aren't getting the results you claim to want.
>>76970554
>If the first and second amendment basically mean the same - no limits ever - why is one crystal clear and categorical while the other isn't?
Because liberals don't like facts and make up their own interpretations. The whole "living document" things.
>>76970622
People on the right have learned to accept the faggots. Milo is a great example of this
>>76963778
Trump would be a retard if he can't parlay this into political capital for himself. So, it's definitely the latter.
>>76969798
When has Trump ever gay bashed?
>>76963778
They are already spinning it into a "homophobe" attack, so dunno. I hope they don't succeed, it's as if they WANT to die.
>>76969273
r/ing that Breifist gif, my hdd crashed and I forgot to back up my memes
>>76970156
Wasn't Loughner a Democrat too?
Kek.
Also this seems like a good time to post this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y1LIAE8FlQ
>>76963778
The true question of how cucked are we? We shall see.
>>76970676
The militia is everyone, but again it doesn't matter. The first clause is dependent and simply implies the reasoning for the amendment.
I live in Orlando and I can tell we're getting President Trump.
>>76970923
he keeps making fun of marco
>>76963778
The NRA is gonna get a few more gay members, that's for sure.
>>76969279
Supreme Court has already established that "the militia" is all Americans.
>>76969910
There is none. That anon is just pointing out that shitlibs are getting killed by their pet ethnic & religious minorities. Rational minds have been trying to tell shitlibs that Muslims are just as intolerant(if not moreso.) as Christians are towards faggots & all forms of degeneracy that Shitlibs love to enjoy. This is a bed that these dumb motherfuckers made for themselves. Let them sleep in it.
>>76969966
Indeed. Grapeshot, chain-shot, explosive ordnance... There were all sorts of nasty ways to use canon against crowds or people.
>>76965374
>assault weapons
Kill yourself
>>76965003
Kek
>>76963934
>muslim
>walk into gay bar with assault rifle
>disgusting gays making out and flirting with each other
>sick to my stomach
>about to mow down the place
>bartenders walks up to me
>Excuse me sir, but you aren't allowed to own assault rifles
>Shucks, he got me there
>go home and reflect on life
>no longer hate gays
>now in complete agreement with western values
Americans want more guns when terrorists attack, going after the 2nd amendment would be suicidal for the Democrats
its almost time to remove kebab
>>76970676
No, militia can't be in the employ of the government they one day have to resist.
>yfw the true threat is not from right wing extremist but leftists who have convinced themselves that it's okay to hurt other people if they disagree with you
>>76970622
>Far-left
They'll do what they always do: try to make everyone forget that it was a Muslim (facebook profile pictures, candlelight vigils, talk about love and peace). If that doesn't work, they try to twist it to be about a different issue (guns probably), and if all else fails, they just pretend that it never happened (eg. Cologne).
>Far-right
Most people don't actually give a shit about gays, and certainly not to the point of wanting them dead (just look at how well loved Milo is). There are a few who do and who would be happy, but they'll still be furious about this attack on America by a foreign enemy combatant was allowed to happen.
>>76969858
>Entertainment Tonight mic
So mass shootings is "entertainment" now?
>>76970117
How about you go back to your parent's basement and continue to be the disappointment that you are.
>>76971104
Next year's convention will be interesting.
I suppose somebody in the tl:dr above pointed out how the day could have been saved by one party-goer who was carrying? And has anybody checked to see if the place had a "no weapons" sign on the door? I bet it did.
>>76970845
You're not really answering my question.
If the first and second amendment mean basically the same thing but for speech and guns respectively why are they worded entirely differently?
>>76965305
/thread
This is textbook media 101.
It's not a bar ... it's an LGBT bar.
It's not just a shooter ... it's a Muslim shooter.
This has something for everyone, and it will obviously help Trump AND Hillary. Muslims and gun control and LGBT "victims".
But the Jewish media is what made this story what it is. It isn't enough that a person killed 50 in a bar ... that should be enough but no.
It involves LGBT, Muslims and of course guns. This divides the people in three separate ways at once. It also shows that Trump and Hillary are two sides of the same coin.
>>76971241
If you lived in a civilised part of the world you wouldn't have access to assault weapons to begin with, dummy.
>>76965587
Fun fact, that rifle was not allowed to be used in combat due to its near impossibility to detect the shooter. That and Louis and Clark took a later model on their journey to show off to/impress native tribes they encountered.
>>76971426
Why do you think they would need to worded the same way?
>>76970554
>why is one crystal clear and categorical while the other isn't?
Because one has been the matter of litigation for longer than the other. Go look at Shenck v. United States if you want to see how recently the First Amendment was under direct, and moderately successful attack. We didn't have the hard First Amendment protections we take for granted today until 1969 with the Brandenburg case.
The Second Amendment didn't face the same kind of hostility until fairly recently.
>>76970923
Trump is the kind of school bully buffoon who likes making jokes about minorities, vulnerable people, and the smallest kid in the class. It promotes an atmosphere of hate and intolerance. We need someone who promotes the politics of love and tolerance, not someone who makes people hate.
>>76966346
>too much freedom of speech isn't bad
Hilarious coming from someone in a country that can be arrested for saying the wrong thing on the internet. Again, kill yourself.
>>76963934
>be libtards
>establish gun free zone
>expect criminals and terrorists to respect their feeling and act shocked when they don't
>get shot
>>76963934
>>76968367
>>76970513
The Lewis & Clarke expedition had a Girardoni air rifle, an air rifle capable of firing pretty fast - Benjamin Franklin personally gave it to them for the expedition I believe.
>>76971426
>Congress shall make no law etc.
>The right of the people to bear arms shall not etc.
Seems the same to me.
>>76965374
stop pretending to know what you're talking about - you're making us look bad
>>76963778
Trump just secured the POTUS today.
>>76971561
>assault weapons
blame the tools, cuck
>>76971290
>they just pretend that it never happened (eg. Cologne).
Also Rotherham, that's a better example. You still get people today (here in Britain, where it actually fucking happened) who just flat-out deny that it happened.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFV9jVMtiQY
How come when places like paris and brussels are attacked by terrorists, everyone signals with those french/belgian flag overlays on their profile pictures, but when terrorist attacks happen in san bernardino or miami, nobody does american flag overlays?
>>76971660
Well regulated media.
>>76971628
KEKED
>>76971660
Really? One is categorical and specific while the other is as ambiguous as it gets.
>>76971588
Naturally they don't need to but it's strange that they aren't I would argue. I mean if they were directly comparable which I don't agree they are.
>>76971426
Because both were written and rewritten multiple times through committee and had to make it through an elaborate and difficult voting process.
>>76971781
Again, that's a dependent clause and it doesn't change the meaning.
>>76971737
That would be racist.
>>76971891
>Really? One is categorical and specific while the other is as ambiguous as it gets.
No both are unambiguous. English probably wasn't your first language.
>>76970554
They interpret the constitution, so yes, they do decide what the founding fathers meant as it relates to the law.
>>76970321
Trump's not backtracking. He respects winners, not losers. His POW comments were mainly attributed to John McCain the songbird who betrayed his own squad by telling the Viet Cong vital information they needed to know. McCain is not a war hero, he's just the asshole who sold his own people out just to save his own ass. That was what Trump was trying to highlight when he made fun of POWs.
>>76971602
I love it when people make this argument
>muslims are a peaceful people!
>saying muslims commit terrorist is MAKING these muslims commit terrorism
Why should we allow more of them into the country again?
>>76971900
>it's because it's so meticulously crafted!
>>76971900
>they just added an extra clause that means nothing!
Make up your minds, nuts.
>>76963934
GTFO you Norge Cuck
>SHALL
>>76972086
>things i never said
The first dependent clause gives the reasoning for why the right to bear arms shall not be infringed. It's not hard.
>>76966066
Checked
>>76970510
>>76970703
So you agree that background checks are fine -- but presumably accept they could be better.
You both basically agree that gun safety training is a good idea. But you won't agree that making it mandatory is a good idea because then it would undermine your position that guns need to be in the hands of even drooling morons. But essentially you agree.
Guns aren't used in home defence. I challenge you to find evidence that actually proves this.
>>76970751
I see why you don't want guns to be registered, but I suspect if things keep going the way they are a few slightly nutty people arguing "I don't want anyone to know I own six assault rifles in case they try to take them away" is not going to convince the majority of people.
And to be honest you're not really arguing with me. A lot of basic gun control laws are already down but not enforced, or are already happening in some states. I'm not going to really argue whether they would all be effective -- but some would be and like I said, I don't think there are particularly strong arguments against basic gun control. Evidenced by the fact you already have them in many places and the main difference between the USA and places like Sweden and Switzerland when it comes to guns is enforced gun control and gun violence.
>>76970321
Go away reddit
>b-but trump said this!! WHY AREN'T YOU FEELING THE BERN?? BERNIE DOESN'T HURT ANYONES FEE FEES
>>76972086
The clause means something, it means that the militia is necessary for the security of a free state. Whats the militia? Its all the adult men with guns. Whats a free state? That would be the state that the founders had recently formed through violent revolution. How did they do that? All the men with guns started killing agents of the crown. How do you ensure that they can do that again? You don't infringe the right of the people (a term never used to reference agents of the state) to keep and bear arms.
Its literally saying "because guys with guns can kill cops and start this shit over if it gets bad, guys get to have guns."
>>76972365
>bongistan twisting words in an attempt to make me reconsider what I know to be true
SHALL
>>76971990
First amendment lists specifically in what manners speech and press is not to be limited and who can't limit them.
Meanwhile the second one is non-specific as to how guns can be regulated, but they certainly can according to the first clause. A proper mess at best.
>>76963778
>Is the Islamic attack in Florida more likely to get guns banned
This would also get Trump the presidency
So take your pick
a) Trump wins
or
b) Trump wins
Trump must be secretly parading in his jet, today is slab of pure gold for this campaign
Literally the only things that could have helped it were
a) He was also an illegal immigrant
b) The guns were illegally acquired
c) It was a gay female bar
d) It was in a black city
>>76971561
like France?
>>76971602
>love and tolerance
Yeah look where that's got us
>>76972052
Most Muslims are very peaceful (I lived in a Muslim country for a while). The word "Islam" fucking means peace. There's an extreme political movement that exists as a betrayal of Islam -- most Musims hate this even more than butthurt faggots like you do. What drives people to terrorism is when you start wars in their countries, kill their families, take away their dictators, and then leave a political void ready to be filled by the nastiest fuckers in the world. The US literally created terrorism and we need better relationships with Muslims to solve the massive problems the US created. One possible solution would be to let more peace-loving moderate Muslims into the US. Another would be to use a time machine so as to go back and reinstall Gaddafi, Saddam, and anyone who provided stability in the Middle East but has now been pointlessly killed by Americans.
>>76972684
0/10 bait
>>76972684
It means 'submission' as well.
>>76965374
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belton_flintlock
Presented to the Continental Congress in 1777, a gun capable of firing up to twenty musket balls in five seconds. The founding fathers didn't think that military technology was going to slow down.
>>76966630
>>76971602
So when has he said anything negative about gays?
He's flip flopped on a bunch of shit over the years but he's never disparaged gays or been against the gay community.
When you lump all minorities together and try to speak for every group as a whole it's racist.
>>76972642
The first amendment lists multiple things that cannot be regulated (religion, speech, press, etc.)
The second amend lists one thing (the right to bear arms) that cannot be regulated.
>>76971561
>If you lived in a civilised part of the world you wouldn't have the right to engage in a harmless and fun hobby because it hurts my feelings
Nice "civilisation" you have there, Ahmed.
>>76963778
>>76972684
Thank you for the Taqiyya, my sandnigger friend :^).
>>76963934
The problem was that faggots piled into the bathroom by the dozens
It was literally like shooting fish in a barrel
>>76972684
>>76971561
>In a civilized society people are treated like subjects and not like independent responsible citizens
>>76972365
Okay, I see that this is what I get for trying to effortpost with a retarded shitposting britbong
>>76972670
The paris attacks were multiple people, belonging to an organised terrorist cell, and they barely killed more.
Meanwhile this guy went out on a whim, alone, and killed 50 people in less than a minute.
And that in a state with relaxed gun control laws. What happened to good guys with guns? Lol.
>>76963934
AIDS infected faggots have killed more people than all "muh assault weapons" combined.
>>76972684
>most Musims hate this
yet they do absolutely nothing to help stop it.
Not sure if people have mentioned, but it looks like the guy had a firearms and a security officer license. Unless if the man here is someone who coincidentally happens to live in Florida and have the same name as the shooter.
https://licensing.freshfromflorida.com/access/individual.aspx
50 FAGS WERE THE NECESSARY SACRIFICE TO KEK
PRAISE KEK
>>76973172
You can't have guns in a nightclub. That probably weighed heavily in his attack plan.
>>76971373
>And has anybody checked to see if the place had a "no weapons" sign on the door? I bet it did.
Don't know what they had on the door -- but --- did some checking:
From the pulseorlandoclub.com:
"Experience Pulse, a world of fun and fantasy. Orlando’s hottest gay bar located in the heart of downtown. Step inside Pulse and savor the taste of three unique worlds: The Lounge, Ultra Bar and The Adonis Room. Since 2004, Pulse has been serving up unmatched live entertainment and tantalizing liquid libations, courtesy of our renowned staff and entertainers...
Under Florida law, carrying guns into ANY PORTION of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises.
So, bars are on the long list of places that Florida establishes as gun free zones. From Florida Statutes leg.state.fl.us:
(12)(a)A license issued under this section does not authorize any person to openly carry a handgun or carry a concealed weapon or firearm into:
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.
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12.Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose;
>>76972365
>I challenge you to find evidence that actually proves this.
Google "home owner shoots burglar." It happens literally all the time.
>is not going to convince the majority of people
It doesn't have to. Bills still have to get through legislatures and the NRA is a hell of a lobbying organization. I'm not even a little ashamed about that.
>you're not really arguing with me.
I think we have honest but fundamentally differing views about the place and purpose of guns in society. I see them as something people have a basic right to own in order to defend themselves and engage in revolution. You seem to see them as a potentially dangerous tool for sport or hobby. From your perspective, gun control seems like a given. From mine, its a threat. Thats the argument we're having.
>>76965374
It applied to warships with cannons you faggot. Keep your 30 round mags, where's my warship??
>>76973123
The thing that shocks me is, haven't these people heard of emergency exits? Those have to be provided by law.
Might just be me, but I tend to take note of exits wherever I go.
>>76963778
shooting video reuploaded: https://vid.me/AQcW
>>76972642
I'm not sure how you don't understand the words shall not be infringed
>all this talk about guns
Why is no one talking about banning schools or gay night clubs?
>>76972684
>The word "Islam" fucking means peace
WAR IS PEACE
>>76973655
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
>>76963934
Are you implying that the founding fathers were so ignorant that they had never experienced a single bit of technological advancement? Kys
>>76969910
The occasional American that's caught in the crossfire, and letting somebody else deal with our problems.
>>76971561
>access to assault weapons
Define term, please -- it has a legal meaning over here ("any otherwise legal gun that is painted back and looks scary" basically, with surprisingly little irony) but I sense you are using it to mean something else.
