whoa...
I think minimum wage should at least be enough to get a one bedroom apartment with all utilities away from black people.
FIGHT
Have they ever tried getting a new job?
>>76957361
If you don't want to get paid minimum wage for your lack of skills, either get skills and a better job, or shut the fuck up and quit.
In 20 years, robots will be doing the jobs of these incompetent fast food workers.
>>76957700
They'll actually just be replaced by robots and touch screen ordering systems.
Increasing the minimum wage means increasing the prices of everything around you. It will fuck small businesses up hardcore and allow for McDonald's and other corporations who can afford it to go for robots.
>>76957361
hes got a point. and by increasing the wage of workers they buy more witch in return helps the country economy and the areas they live in.
The real nation traitor is MC Donald ruining america.
boycott MC Donalds! They ruining america!
I remember working at mcdonalds, never had financial issues.
Most people struggle because they want their income to work around them.
>>76957947
nation traitor!
>>76957361
>>76957361
Mcdonalds doesn't force you to work for them.
"occupydemocrats" troll posters and this shit are made by one and the same person
>>76958260
>nigger logic
>barely literate
What a fucking surprise
>>76958260
>hes got a point. and by increasing the wage of workers they buy more
What kind of idiotic logic do you use Germany? A Rich man wouldn't go around spending $100 on x amount of Bic macs at Mcdonalds. A rich man would drop Mcdonalds altogether and spend $100 on 1 fine ass piece of meat and wine from a fancy restaurant.
Hell even women wouldn't be that stupid too stay loyal to mcdonalds. Though they would end up at a buffet though.
>>76957361
If you want more money, get more profitable skills & knowledge
If businesses are forced to pay labor more than it's worth, that's called a price floor and artificially entices unemployment
>>76958314
>rich people don't spend money, they just sit on piles of it and swim in it like Scrooge McDuck
>>76959430
They Kinda do though. They'll keep exorbitant amounts in offshore accounts to avoid taxes, and when was the last time you caught a "rich" person putting money back into the economy buy supporting local businesses?
I hate liberal rhetoric, but the rich really do horde wealth. I'm middle class and only make about 55k a year, and even I horde wealth. It's just in a savings account, but I mean, I do it, why wouldn't someone who makes 100x more, be hordeing 100x more?
>>76957361
Good for him. This is how people should get their pay increased: by working together to get it. Not by whining to mommy government to make another law.
>>76957939
>In 20 years robots
Listen unfortunately my wife is from Tennessee and her family still lives there. last xmas we went to her hometown, I swear to god I watched three people trying to figure out how the self check out works and one of them wasnt human I dnt think.
What im trying to say is, dont go to Tennessee if you dont have to, its "The hills have eyes 4" down there.
>>76961508
I live in Louisiana, and self-checkouts were implemented in many stores. About 2-3 years later, most stores removed them. But I live in an area with a large elderly population, so I figured it was that.
More mexicans = more workers in the labor force = more competition = lower wages.
If you want to raise wages, you have to get rid of workers so competition will go down.
Raising minimum wage only raises the price of every other good.
>>76959849
The rich put money back into the economy when they pay all of their operating costs.
Hint: it's a lot.
>>76957361
What's an adult doing working at McDonald's?
my job is to literally automate everything for a large fast food company because of the $15/hr talk. there are already robotics prepping food at many large fast food chains.
>>76963103
Aren't tax loopholes like a big deal precisely because rich people and companies aren't putting money into the economy, by any means?
>>76959849
When was the last time a rich person put more than 3% of his assets in a bank account rather than investing it back into the economy?
>>76957634
I think you're a fucking idiot.
>>76957361
>M'cDonald's
What?
>tfw make $15/hr at walmart.
It may have taken a decade of yearly incremental $0.40 cent hourly wage raises, but the work is more streamlined than fast food. At least working at a Burger King for 5 years got the work ethic part out of the way, but I work less harder at wally world than I did in fast food.
This is the best I will ever have it pay-wise since I don't have a GED or anything.
>>76957361
raising the minimum wage = bad
lowering the cost of living = good
get a clue you fucking idiots
McDonalds employees are a hit-and-miss in my experience. there are competent people in some I've been to, but there are times where I'm actually wondering how these people manage to breathe. pic related is always awesome.
>>76959430
>already forgot about panama papers and real estate investments
>>76959314
>If you want more money, get more profitable skills & knowledge
And what about stupid people?
>>76963114
he is probably a very stupid person
>>76957361
Don't get shit you can't afford.
Problem solved
>>76964731
Nice dude. Was recently hired as a cashier at Walmart. Starts at $9/hr and goes to $10/hr after 6 months
>>76965275
>And what about stupid people?
Natural selection
>>76965411
Couldn't imagine being a cashier. I work in areas where I can dodge cameras if I have a good half hour to kill and no one is on my ass, but I do at times go without breaks and work 2-5 hours unpaid weekly since I have to work with FOB kebab and niggers, someone's gotta make the sacrifice to get the job done.
Finish your Pathways!!
>>76965867
The poor people won't die because they are poor. But they will resort to crime.
And trusst me, you don't stand a chance against lowr class angry people
>>76964731
Labor economist here, I implore you to go back to school and have some sort of certs under your belt, ideally slowly working your way to a bachelor's degree
>>76966040
nice blog post you fucking tripfaggot
>>76966040
>Works any unpaid hours, ever
>Supports Capitalism
I don't understand how the American worker is so dead.
>>76958633
no wonder Hungary is poor shithole.
BASIC ECONOMICS
you should learn them before posting in any kind of threat.
Workers pay rent, buy food, buy cloth, buy cars.
if workers have no money they cant buy. If they cant buy, others cant buy too. you know.
Well figure the rest your self out vodka nigger.
In the meantime laugh at you.
>>76958314
>How we're told it works
You aren't told it works, because Trickle Down Economics don't exist. It was a liberal buzzword to describe anything that isn't taxing the living shit out of everybody.
It's fun to see Leftists on damage control right now. Just submit to death you fucking losers, you're not taking my money, you're not taking my guns (inb4 marx) and you're not getting your revolution.
>>76966597
> because Trickle Down Economics don't exist.
ok, supply side economics, since trickle down sure triggers you
>>76966196
>Bachelor's degree.
bahahahahahahha.
You got to be fucking kidding me. Don't listen to this "economist".
Public schools of any kind should not exist. School is a fucking waste.
This piece of paper was a waste of my fucking time.
>>76966296
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZsr3hRx-4Y
Daily reminder that Bernie lost because of diversity. You get what you pay for, thief. Stay mad.
>>76966874
Yes, it would be great if you could stop lying for one minute--but then you wouldn't be a Leftist anymore.
Your tears are delicious, bandit. You will NEVER EVER get what you want, and thank God.
>>76965389
Also, pic related
>>76957700
tfw no mcqt gf
>>76966902
>so in your application form it says you leaned how to handle computer networks by watching youtube videos made by Eli the computer guy. So when can you start?
>>76966915
i supported Trump up until the mexican judge episode bro
>>76967118
not an argument
>You will NEVER EVER get what you want
neither do you mate
>>76957947
Already happening in Britain.
>>76957361
>multi-billion dollar company
McDonald's are franchises, fuckwit. Every McDonalds is an independent business that just pays the McDonalds corporation for the ability to use their IP. Most owners of McDonalds locations have tiny fucking profit margins.
>>76966196
>bachelor's degree
I'd be a few years shy of 40 at the end if I started today. I have no desire to get into serious debt as CC costs nearly $20k as it is. Not sure if I could do a job and school full time as I carry kids that are useless at work during finals because lack of sleep I guess. No one will do the same for me so I'll have to pass.
It would help if I had a dream job or a career in mind, but I'm too old to consider that.
>>76966296
No prob.
>>76966357
In a way I feel fortunate for what I have and will do what I can to maintain this job. Sad to say, but if I lose this job, I will probably have to anhero because I'm not going to get anywhere near my current wage as a high school dropout
>>76964731
I work at Walmart too, only took me 2 years to make $15/hr.
No education either, but I'm an hourly support manager. Meaning I do fuck all, which you're probably aware of. Literally the easiest job ever.
>>76967565
You are posting here at 40? god, you are pathethic
>>76966902
>This piece of paper was a waste of my fucking time.
Ameribro, don't say that. I've only got a year left on my econ degree! How's the job pool look?
>>76957361
McDonald's is a job for high school students.
If you haven't graduated from that by 18 then you failed at life.
I made $8.50 an hour in 2008 and now I make $18 an hour. It's called growing up and looking for better job opportunities.
>>76966915
>>76967370
how could that make you stop, do you not know what a conflict of interest is?? any time we have a trial the jury is always questioned to make sure there are none, why is it so bad to imply that a judge may have a bias?
>>76967370
Lol, its funny you mention that. I studied for my A+ cert online. Paid about $50 to take the test
I make more money doing IT then I every could with that worthless degree.
My brother was right.
I fought for the kikes in Iraq, get the GI bill.
get "highschool 2.0" and he still makes way more money then me, with zero college or military.
Moral of the story.
Don't fight for the kikes, or go to kike schools.
Certs and tech schools are a better deal.
College is not worth the price.
>>76968219
source?
>>76957361
You aren't owed a job. If you aren't happy with your work conditions, your alternative is to quit. Your job requires 0 skills and you can be replaced by literally anybody. Demanding higher pay just makes you look foolish, what exactly are you planning to do if McDonald's doesn't agree to pay you more?
>>76968219
>minimum wave
L O L
O
L
>>76968400
Look in the corner retard
>>76957700
>Cut out all the blacks
>White qts only
I'm about it.
>>76968401
>How dare you fighting for a better life?
>>76967970
I wouldn't know. I work in IT now. I gave up looking for econ jobs.
Yuppy suit types hate vets. They see 11b on your resume and assume you are Chris Kyle with fucking issues.
During an interview. this Asian cunt told me that they don't have the reasources to handle vets. Then they didn't hire me.
>I don't even have PTSD or any medical problems.
Maybe you will have more luck. Don't put veteran on your application. Do internships, get connections.
>>76968568
source for the fact that raising the minimum wage would destroy jobs, not your shitty comic made for retards
>>76968668
>it's okay to discriminate someone who fought for their country
>tell a monkey he can't work for you and you get sued for racism
America.
>>76968401
B-but we're sandwich artists. We m-make the profits w-why shouldn't we have our fair share.
Fag Lords. I hope the minimum wage is abolished and we let the useless breathers starve.
>>76957361
If you are 'late' on rent, that means you have the money each month, you just spend it on other things first.
You pay rent, then buy ramen, not throw a neighborhood cookout, then hold a sign the rest of the month
>>76968876
giving him the job because he is a vet is also discrimination
>>76966515
You are a FUCKING IDIOT.
Why do corporations hire people?
To make more money.
The amount of people that they hire is based on how much profit vs cost that the employee brings in.
If you increase the cost of hiring an employee, then less employees will be hired.
THE KEY WORD HERE IS LESS EMPLOYEES BEING HIRED.
A HIGHER MINIMUM WAGE WILL DESTROY JOBS, THE FUCKING UNEMPLOYMENT RATE WILL SKY ROCKET.
>>76967980
Well thats the real difficulty here.
These people are clearly not financially sound in the first place, they likely have credit cards at the max, loans, a tanking credit rating, kids, and a place they can't afford along with a mortgage they can't afford.
All of this and they continue the trend, and financial education doesn't appeal to them, getting a cert or apprenticeship doesn't appeal to them, yet they somehow make time to lobby the government for minwage increases.
The ones that aren't paid protestors are probably just idiots with poor judgement and mental health issues. Their lives are total messes and there is no fixing it without accreditation and working at a better job. Its not like these jobs aren't there either, especially in america, but I think the real truth is that these people either cant or wont pursue these jobs for 'reasons'.
>>76968758
Companies wont bother employing people for $15/h if they could get computers for less. It would also cause a big inflation, causing prices to be practically the same. All it does is make the dollar cost less.
>>76968985
>A HIGHER MINIMUM WAGE WILL DESTROY JOBS
source? And no, your idiotic concept on labour market is not a source
>>76964731
>less harder
>no GED
udontsay.jpg
>>76957361
>pawn our possessions
I'm sorry, if you're so desperate for money, how are you buying these things that you can pawn away in the first place? I'm very puzzled here.
>>76967980
this. fast food jobs are literally just to give basic experience and some minimal responsibility so kids can earn gas and bullshit money. any more than that and you are a loser and have failed miserably.
>>76969044
Yup. It's a standard liberal way of thinking.
>I'm not going to work for anything and I'm going to blame other people and cry for free shit.
>>76969183
>Companies wont bother employing people for $15/h if they could get computers for less.
That works for 15h and also for 7.25/h. Hell, it even works even if te minimum wage was 1/h. The thing is computers will always be cheaperand more efficient then humans.
>It would also cause a big inflation
So why don't we diminish the minimum wage to 50 cents a hor? I'm sure deflation would do the trick
>get unskilled labor job
>get paid $12/hr
>get 40+ hrs a week so I can pay bills
>hard work with plants
turns out they're fucking lazy
>>76969251
BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO FUCKING HIRE PEOPLE AT 15$ PER HOUR
JESUS CHRIST HOW FUCKING THICK ARE YOU?
>>76969251
Here's how it works retard
higher min wage = higher wage bill
finite budget for wages = less jobs
Got it now? Employers ONLY lose if the min wage is increased. People do not work harder, they do not contribute a higher level of productivity and therefore profit
>>76968980
What?
Are you a fucking retard?
Since when is giving somebody a job discrimination?
I swear you liberals have the most backwards ass logic.
>>76969357
>any more than that and you are a loser and have failed miserably.
And losers don't deserve an ok life?
No wonder there are so many mass shootings in america
>>76969274
Should have said the job is easier, though I don't get paid at times so that statement isn't entirely true.
>>76969667
>BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO FUCKING HIRE PEOPLE AT 15$ PER HOUR
Source? and no, macdonalds press releases are not a source, nor some idiotic math you will pull out of our ass
>inb4 cato institute or conservative tree house
>>76969621
Inflation can't just be reversed. You have to lower the supply of dollars already existing. Before you say just print less money, all that would do is choke the dollar and make companies spend less money on employees.
>>76968668
I'm looking to get a job working for the state, probably. I figured that at least starting off it's going to give me the highest pay/ease of entry ratio, and it's easier to get an internship at a state job and turn it into a real job.
Also, how did you know I was a vet? XD
>>76958260
>witch?
>>76969768
No. They don't. Because they never try. That's the beauty of America, those who throw their freedom away get a shirt existence. You are in the land of the plenty so fucking take advantage of it and stop whining
>>76957361
Do these guys not realize just how low the profit margins are for companies like these?
>>76970008
Do you understand that McDonalds are not the only company that is constrained by min wage law? Do you understand that small businesses hire people?
>>76969670
Like i said, idiotic concepts of market labour are not sources. I want a reliable source. You guys are anno, so your word means less then the dump my dog makes on the carpet
And everytime someone explains complex economic interaction in 2 or 3 lines i automatically disregard your opinion as a laymen opinion
>>76970288
they don't even realize why CEOs make so much
they also see them as being the owner
basically they are retarded
>>76969621
You dolt
Computers and robots are cheaper only once they're payed for and installed. The intial cost is prohibitive because of lack of available cash
It only becomes economical to take a loan or make a lump payment to install robots/computers once labor costs rise
Also
>deflation is good
>ever
Kill yourself
>>76969667
>THEY CAN'T AFFORD TO FUCKING HIRE PEOPLE
then they are in the wrong business
>>76967902
If you want pol to be a containment-board for edgy teens who live in their parents basement than you are pathetic. Let him post here and stfu.
>>76958314
please point to one economist or policy maker who advocated anything like "trickle down economics"?
pretty sure thats a buzzword to describe not taxing someone to death.
>>76968985
Hey, it won't 'sky rocket'. According to a government study(which I can't find for the life of me) thousands of jobs will be lost, thats not argued at all by any serious analysis. They just go on to point out that these people who still have jobs will then spend more in the economy. So instead of two 11/hour employees, you have one 15/hour employee. The other 11/hour employee in the liberal argument is going to somehow get another job somewhere or go into training and get a higher paying job, while the other employee's productivity magically increases and he's able to afford everything that he couldn't before. At least until the next minwage hike for the unions wage increases.
Honestly, the way the governments going it doesn't matter. Over 70% believe in minwage increases, I say let it happen. Let the economy flush down the sinkhole and have less small business be able to make payroll. That the real truth behind this, big corporations with huge bankrolls will be able to weather this while Tim's Hardware will suffer the most, the poor will lose their jobs and be surprised that their cost of living went up.
Let it all burn.
>>76970704
*then
>>76970139
And what makes you think that upgrading the min wage will increase inflation? this last decades min wage accompanied inflation/barely), not the other way around.
And why should we, lower middle class people worry about inflation?
This is common sense.
If you want to make more money, don't work at a fucking burger joint.
It's literally a meaningless job and it's only profitable to use humans if they cost less than automation.
>>76970008
Imagine if a small business has one thousand dollarino budget to hire new workers. With $7 minimum wage, they can hire more. With $15 minimum wage they hire less. This also translates to big businesses
Then again, you Galician shits wouldn't know how to pour water out of a boot with instructions on the heel.
>>76970704
I'm nearly in my mid 30s but thanks for the defense.
Everyone I know who can't maintain on minimum wage buys an ounce of weed every week and a 7 dollar pack of cigarettes every day.
>>76969251
Seattle
>>76959849
>horde wealth
Nice meme. What do you think happens to that money you put in the bank? It doesn't sit there in a lock box, the bank INVESTS it in the economy.
>>76970793
Dude how thick are you?
You run a corporation, the government says you have to pay people more, what are you going to do? You're going to drive up the costs of your products to pay for it. You're not giving up your second sports car because people want more.
Why is this so hard to understand?
>>76970272
>No. They don't.
this is why america is oing to hell. You have no social cohesion. Dumb fucks are still americans, and you rather side with some globalists foreigners over poor working class americans who can't defend themselves. I thought america was a christian country...
>>76970333
I do. But small business are a thing of the past unfortunaly. They can't compete in today economy, especially when automation kicks in severely.
>>>76970647
>The intial cost is prohibitive
today. But techonology will evolve and soon it will be cheaper
>>76970704
I'm just having fun, take it easy bro
> pol to be a containment-board for edgy teens
It already is
>>76970793
lefty poortugal strikes again with retardation rivalling that of San Bernardino before the tide of Islam
>>76970008
with doubled wages almost every Mcdonalds location will go out of business without raising prices
nobody cares about sources for basic knowledge
>>76971430
The people working min wage jobs past 18 years old are mostly degenerates.
and no I don't side with globalists, I don't know where I mentioned that in any of my posts.
>>76957361
whoa, really makes you think..
>>76970487
I agree. And to be honest, there should be a living wage implemented, but with restrictions. And I'm about a year out from having an econ degree. Most of the jobs that people are trying to get a $15/hour min wage increase in are low skill, low education jobs that should only serve as an entry point into the workforce to begin with. Retail, fast food, etc... etc... should never be looked at as a way to sustain yourself long term, unless you're progressing through the ranks to manager, district manager, etc...
The best way to work it, I think, would be for starting positions to have no minimum wage. This would allow for companies to be competitive against each other for the best employees. After a person works for the company for X amount of time (5 years would be sufficient, I would say), the company should be required to give that person a living wage - preferably salary based. This would promote the idea that people should be bettering themselves, promote loyalty to a company, and force a company to give more responsibility to long term employees - even if it's just putting them to work full time. And any company who was notorious for firing people just short of the X time mark would be blacklisted by people looking for work, and couldn't sustain that business model for long. Of course, that relies on the thought that for any particular job, labor isn't super easy to obtain. It's not the perfect solution, but it is the best solution that I have.
block illegal immigration
manual labor oversupply is decreased
the employees have more right/opportunity
companies have to raise wages to keep their workers
keep immigrants flowing
shitload of uneducated men and women
complain about wages
company doesn't give a shit
they can fire you and get a replacement instantly
Tennessee is so fucking cheap to live in. You can get a 1Br apartment pretty much anywhere in the state if you're taking home $200 a week or more, which is far below that one would make working 40 hours at $7.25/hr.
>>76971430
Yeah, but i still believe it can do better... Sometimes.
>>76970008
>a company can't double their employee wages with a small profit margin
>SOURCE SOURCE WHERE IS THE SOURCE
are you fucking retarded?
>>76961508
>this yankee
don't choke on your bagel, (((sheldon)))
>>76970826
If a company can go on without workers they won't hire new workers. If the company can function with 1 worker why would they hire 2?
>>76971187
Because it was done in one city across the nation.
Also, source?
>>76971319
>You're going to drive up the costs of your products to pay for it.
Of course, but the standard of living will increase trought the nation
>>76970487
>And everytime someone explains complex economic interaction in 2 or 3 lines i automatically disregard your opinion as a laymen opinion
too bad. if you want somewhere where everyone pretends to be scientific experts, try reddit
>>76970793
Look, you're barking up the wrong tree here if you want a difficult discussion. Everyone here is aware the economy is complex as shit. There are arguments on both sides of the issue as to whether it will help/hurt the overall economy but the truth is that the economy doesn't exist for poor people. It's designed for profit, and profit fuels everything else in the economy. Poor people have a higher standard of living today and much more social programs like medicare in the states because the federal government is paying out the ass in debt for it.
Its not real money. Its unsustainable.
You need profit to hold this whole system up, the only reason we can even have this much debt in the federal government is that we collect so much in taxes so we can make the payments.
Liberalism has a limit. Minwage has a limit. If you're arguing we haven't gotten to that limit yet, you're insane. Your country can't handle it, and neither can the U.S.
>>76967472
I know, coolest thing ever. Now I don't have to actually speak to people to get food. Bloody brilliant.
>>76965065
>all the good fast food places cook with peanut oil
I hate my allergy...
>>76971637
source?
>nobody cares about sources for basic knowledge
>basic knowledge
>he means memes
>american education
>>76971552
>if i call him a retard without any refutation i win trought a massive projection
>pic related
>>76965389
Problem is these people think an iPhone, cable TV, internet, and processed foods are a right, not a luxury.
>>76970989
Noprob, bro. There should at least be some mature ppl with life experience here.
>>76971971
>If the company can function with 1 worker why would they hire 2?
because it works better and makes people happier when you hire 2
instead they will make 1 person do all the work and tell them to suck it up and live with it or else they will give the job to someone else looking for it
its like you have never worked a minimum wage job before
>>76971971
If a company needs and can only afford 2 workers and the min wage doubles, suddenly they can only afford 1.
They can't survive with 1, so the company shuts up shop. Well done you leftist retard, you made the other employee redundant too.
>>76971659
>I don't know where I mentioned that in any of my posts.
By defending a low min wage. You are letting globalists escape with monumental profits and deposit them in off shores.
With high minimum wage more money will stay in the country.
>>76966902
> English major detected
>>76958314
But it's okay when the government gives away tax money to the 1% in order to allow for trickle-down economics. You just cannot lower their taxes (and everyone else's) because that's wrong
>>76971971
>standard of living will increase
But it won't.
I know tradesmen that have been making the same wage for the past 20 years while the price of goods has gone up steadily.
Nigs McGee over here is making about half that with your min wage flipping burgers. These guys have gone to school and have mastered a trade only to have the min wage creep up to what they make.
I agree with a general wage increase for skilled workers but giving Jamal more money to waste on dope and menthol cigarettes is just going to make things worse.
>>76957634
Get minimum wage workers to build apartments then.
>>76957634
It's not. I make $14.20 an hr doing actual non-mcshit work and I can afford everything I need. I've done the $10 or less shit and it's not possible without roommates to share the burden.
>>76967980
I made $7/hr in 2008 and now I make $60/hr :^)
>>76971971
>decreasing the real wage for everyone making over $15/hr
>increasing the standard of living through out the nation
and you are saying people don't understand economics?
>>76968668
>During an interview. this Asian cunt told me that they don't have the reasources to handle vets. Then they didn't hire me.
It's disgusting. Replace vets with blacks and imagine the outrage.
>>76957700
>niggers getting replaced with white qt's in shorts
$20 minimum age when?
>>76971703
>that should only serve as an entry point into the workforce to begin with
Entry point to what jobs?
>should never be looked at as a way to sustain yourself long term
40 hours of weekly work should not be enough to sustain a family?
>The best way to work it, I think, would be for starting positions to have no minimum wage. This would allow for companies to be competitive against each other for the best employees. After a person works for the company for X amount of time (5 years would be sufficient, I would say), the company should be required to give that person a living wage
Goodbye, long term employement. Unless you want to implement job security regulation with it?
>And any company who was notorious for firing people just short of the X time mark would be blacklisted by people looking for work
>poor people can be picky when it comes to work
And this is how you spot a sheltered person, guys. Maybe even a lolbertarian
>>76972946
I'm not even mad.
You probably went to school and worked hard to earn that money.
Good for you.
>>76968401
It's only a matter of time until those jobs are replaced by machines. They're literally pricing themselves out of minimum wage jobs.
>>76972710
Yeah, it says something when you have a Long Haul Trucker who can ruin over a million dollars worth of goods if he nods off making the same as someone at walmart.
>>76973036
I'd like to live in your magical liberal fairyland where companies exist to make workers rich and never go out of business despite no profits.
>>76957361
Instead of complaing, why don't these people apply for better paying jobs? It's not like they're forced to work at mcDicks. Oh, is it because their skills are only worth minimum?
>>76969044
> maxed credit cards
> loans
> kids
> working minimum wage and expecting to live responsibility-free
Degenerates
>>76957361
get a second job you lazy faggot. I work two jobs. One at 12 an hour and the other is waiting tables but guess what? Im not broke and am able to have a savings while at the same time living on my own. I will use the money that im saving to invest in myself so eventually I dont have to work two jobs. Why is this so hard for people to grasp?
>>76967902
Australia maybe be the king of shitposting, but Portugal is definitely the king of shitty posts. I've never seen anything constructive posted by any Manuels on here. Fucking off yourself Portugal
>>76973128
You can't replace everyone, and the quality of the worker will have to increase with the price you're paying them. You can't have mcstupid at the desk if he's the only guy there. You'll need a manager level guy for every job position.
>>76973398
Why do you think they are protesting? Soros is paying them 15 for that.
>>76971868
Nah, this place is home to the scum of society. I wish we could block american posters from here.
>>76972006
That is why i ask for sources. Your laymen explanations mean nothing to me. I don't mind if your refutation consists solely on a link and a ad hominem.
>>76972127
Productivity in USA as skyrocketed in this last few decades. What makes you think that we can't increase min wage?
>>76972326
>because it works better and makes people happier when you hire 2
So one doubles it's payroll just to make the worker happy?
Are you 12?
>>76972343
>If a company needs and can only afford 2 workers and the min wage doubles, suddenly they can only afford 1.
That is why price increases follow
>>76972710
There are people with 5 year of college working solely on unpaid internships in my country.
> but giving Jamal more money to waste on dope and menthol cigarettes
>muh fee fees!!!
>>76973119
Pretty much. Kids think they can go to college for four years for any major and a job magically becomes theirs after. What did they expect they'd get with their history major?
>>76957634
>expecting to live on your own with minimum wage
there's your problem
>>76973880
>So one doubles it's payroll just to make the worker happy?
>marginal product of labor doesn't exist
>morale has nothing to do with productivity
>rapetugal in charge of economics
>>76972974
Jobs that earn more then the current min wage woudl be upgradeed too.
>>76973355
>where companies exist to make workers rich
They should be.
>nd never go out of business despite no profits.
source? quote me please
>>76973398
Becasue they are too stupid to make anything else probably
>>76957361
He looks like an alcoholic. Probably the reason why he has to pawn shit at all.
>>76973880
How can people afford these increased prices when they don't have a job because they were let go?
>>76973880
>There are people with 5 year of college working solely on unpaid internships in my country.
I don't understand the point you're trying to make. Are you saying that internships should be paid? I totally agree. But people with no education don't deserve $15/hr. I don't understand why you are saying Jamal should make almost as much as Joe, who had 5 years of schooling.
>>76974202
It's crazy that everyone here is an expert of economics
>>76974546
Im no expert but I've taken basic econ classes and realize what you are saying is fucking dumb.
if you ever worked a job like that you would also realize that is exactly what happens
>>76974414
again, source for massive job loss due to min wage increase
>>76974427
The same point you were trying to say with tradesmen
>don't deserve $15/hr
define deserve
>>76974711
>I've taken basic econ classes
So you have taken basic econ classes. Where? youtube?
> that is exactly what happens
what?
>>76974546
We aren't claiming we're experts, we're just pointing out that you're economically illiterate
>>76974750
There is no source, it's common fucking sense which I already described to you
Companies do not have magical unlimited money for wage bills
>>76974750
de·serve/dəˈzərv/
verb
do something or have or show qualities worthy of (reward or punishment).
If you go to school for something viable, you deserve a higher wage. If you drop out in high school and do nothing productive with your life, you deserve to live just about the poverty line.
>>76972146
Same thing here greatest ally.
>>76974939
>I've taken basic econ classes
>So you have taken basic econ classes. Where? youtube?
at uni like most people
didn't realize they don't have those in poortugal
> that is exactly what happens
>what?
the employer will understaff the place instead of paying more
t. former walmart employee
>>76973036
>Entry point to what jobs?
Any job. Any prior work experience looks good on a resume/application for work, especially if you were at that job long term, as employers don't especially enjoy hiring and training (it's costly).
>40 hours of weekly work should not be enough to sustain a family?
Depends on the job you're doing. If you're a frycook at McFats, then no, you shouldn't be able to sustain a family on that wage. Literally every non-retarded person in the world can replace you. It's supply and demand. There is a much larger supply of low skill/education workers, and a larger demand for low pay workers. The two meet and that's why you see what you have in the US today.
>Goodbye, long term employement. Unless you want to implement job security regulation with it?
This wouldn't even be necessary. Companies typically like to have long term employees to help train younger hires, etc... There would certainly be some firing of employees who underperformed, and that's would be both expected and justified. Most employees that did good work, and stayed at a entry level job for such a long amount of time would probably be promoted to full time (most only work 16-20 hours a week right now) which would make them a larger asset to the company.
>poor people can be picky when it comes to work. And this is how you spot a sheltered person, guys. Maybe even a lolbertarian
I started working when I was 17 (At McFats) to make sure that my family would have electricity because my father couldn't hold a job, and my mother didn't/couldn't work. I was held back a semester in school because the only shift I could get was late in the evening/early morning and I missed and failed a bunch of my early morning classes. I served in the military for 5 years and saw what everyone making equal pay does to a group of people (you have some who excel and keep everything running, and you have some who take 45 minute smoke breaks every hour). I've seen enough to make informed decisions.
>>76974953
>We aren't claiming we're experts, we're just pointing out that you're economically illiterate
I am, because economics is a social """"""""""""""""""""""""science"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" that nobody really know how it works. Economists are know for being wrong almost everytime.
> it's common fucking sense
>in economics
Again you show your true colours. You are clueless about economics
>>76975051
And who judges what one deserves and one doesn't? So you agree with me that inheritances should be taxed and invested in a fund for start up loans with low interest?
> and do nothing productive with your life
Neet != dumb people who simply aren't capable
>>76975209
Glad too see you made it out. It will take a body bag for me to leave this job.
>>76975686
I've got to say, you're a fucking fantastic troll
>>76975209
We don't "take classes". We apply for a course, and then take the classes that that course offers us.
>the employer will understaff the place instead of paying more
Reasonable. But isn't the place already understaffed and working on a breaking point?
>>76966191
Why don't they get another job or work overtime like any one else who needs extra money does? Fuck off back to cripplechan, commie
>>76968668
I'm 24 in college right now. Did 4 years as an infantry medic, deployed but didn't see any combat (something I'm very thankful for), and got out two years ago. It's hard enough just trying to make friends with all the bullshit assumptions people make, I imagine the whole finding a job aspect is even worse. I'm applying to med school next year and hoping my veteran status helps more than it hurts, but I can't even be sure of that anymore.
>>76975653
>Any job.
Our economies are now reliant on shitty service sector jobs, iirc they are the majority of jobs.
>Depends on the job you're doing.
Why? Why should someone devot almost 5 days of his week and in the end can't have a reasonable life?
>There would certainly be some firing of employees who underperformed
No, they would hire someone for a few months, then fire him and hire another. You know, like they did in industrial revolution
>>76975954
you are right about courses I just usually call them classes just like uni/college are seen as roughly the same
depends at what time
and ideally you have more people so one person (read:me) isn't stuck doing the job of 2-3 people as best as they can
it is just shitting on that person and they can't do much if they want to keep the job
>>76975970
>Why don't they cut off one arm to please their kike overlords?
Maybe they can't find anything more. Maybe they have kids to watch for, i don't know
>>76975762
question: are the vending machines at store prices or are they more/less expensive?
>>76976859
define communism
>>76976961
Sodas are 50c. The snack machine is where the real profit is made.
>>76976579
>courses
By courses i mean like Comp sciences, economy.. We do it differently around here.
We apply for comp sciences in X uni, and if our high school average+national exams required for comp sciences is high enough compared to other applicants, we get in the course. After that we have 3 years of fixed classes we have to take
>>76975762
yeah I hated that shithole and decided to focus on school
also cut your hair dude
>>76977060
a stateless society where the means of production are owned by the workers.
Who /Target employee/ here?
>mandatory minimum wages are increased
>companys begin charging more to compensate for the greater expense of their workforce
>nothing changes
pretty much how it went down here,
t. highest minimum wage country in the world
>>76977404
sounds like you are talking about a major. Like I take mathematics and then have set courses I have to take like basic economics.
>>76977418
>implying that's me
You'll never catch me with that amount of facial hair.
Glad to see school has worked out for you. I'll try harder earlier next life to find some vision of what to do for a career.
>>76978154
sad to hear that bro
you should really learn a trade
walmart is fucking soul crushing
>>76976566
>Our economies are now reliant on shitty service sector jobs, iirc they are the majority of jobs.
For the US at least, public jobs are majority of jobs (working for the federal, state, or local governments - politicians, teachers, military, etc...), so that's incorrect. And almost all public jobs have a salary based pay system, so they're making a living wage. Also, when you think about "shitty service sector jobs" many of them pay a living wage as well - part time and full time managers, district managers, regional managers, etc...
>Why? Why should someone devot almost 5 days of his week and in the end can't have a reasonable life?
Most service employees who want a $15 minimum wage don't work 5 days a week, or 40 hours. But, not considering that, simply because they are replaceable. Like I said, literally anyone on the planet can replace them. And since anyone can replace them, they aren't worth anything. It would be like going into a store and seen two stands of bananas. On one stand, the bananas cost $1.00, on the other stand the bananas cost $2.00. There is nothing different about the bananas other than the cost. Which one do you buy? Same concept. Though I get the feeling you would buy the $2.00 bananas to make them feel better about themselves.
>No, they would hire someone for a few months, then fire him and hire another. You know, like they did in industrial revolution
A company will retain any employee who shows that they can perform well enough to be an asset to the company. People who perform well, take on leadership roles, and increase the value of the company will be kept on, despite the increased salary they would get. There's a lot of value in having older, well trained employees around and companies understand this. The best employees will be retained, the others will be fired. Think of it as economic evolution if you want. Survival of the fittest.
>>76957361
Why don't people just stop going to shitty fastfood places staffed with teenagers and undesirables?
>>76971680
good post
>>76977265
what's the markup compared to in store ? can you guess the perchentages instant gratification/basic planing?
>>76977265
>>76977514
Portutard, look at that picture. See the sign behind the guy that says in big letters GED? A GED (General Education Development) is a test that basically says that you have the education of a high-schooler. They're for people who drop out of high school, but want to show their employers that they can count change. You honestly want to pay $15/hour to people who literally couldn't be bothered (for whatever reason - incompetence, laziness, apathy, etc...) to finish high school, much less get any sort of college education?
I'll give you 3 guesses why that sign is posted in a Jew-Mart break room.
>>76957361
that's a pretty nice cardboard sign
>>76957947
The touchscreens were coming no matter what. Just like the self checkout at stores.
CSB: My sister was able to order beer on the touchscreen alongside a big mac when visiting France.
>>76979473
snacks are nearly double the price compared to what's out on the floor. You're better off waiting at the register or if you want to spend the money and lack the time preference.
>>76979781
I should have attempted it before the exam was reworked and the difficulty raised a few years ago. There isn't a snowball's chance in hell I would pass it on the first try.
>>76980209
>I should have attempted it before the exam was reworked and the difficulty raised a few years ago. There isn't a snowball's chance in hell I would pass it on the first try.
I wasn't trying to dick on you Americbro, just using your picture to make a point.
>>76957634
But then those "everybody can do" jobs will pay niggers (the ones that bother to work) the same amount and those niggers will be able to live next to you.
>>76978046
Well, i don't know how your universities work. And i don't really care. I like how mine are organized
>>76981528
they sound like they work the same way desu
>>76972491
Obviously you didnt major in english, since you dont know how to read
>>76978863
>For the US at least, public jobs are majority of jobs (working for the federal, state, or local governments - politicians, teachers, military, etc...)
That is service jobs, i think.
http://www.statista.com/statistics/270072/distribution-of-the-workforce-across-economic-sectors-in-the-united-states/
> simply because they are replaceable. Like I said, literally anyone on the planet can replace them. And since anyone can replace them, they aren't worth anything.
Ok, but why should they not have a living wage? Why should they live in the poverty line?
>A company will retain any employee who shows that they can perform well enough to be an asset to the company.
ideally. But many service jobs are mindless jobs. Almost everyone can do them with minimum competence
>Survival of the fittest.
You mean, when the poor starving guy stabs you in a robbery? Yes, survival of the fittest
>>76966040
What's Pathways?
>>76979781
Yes. I want what is best for my people, not some kike profits.
>>76957361
>Have shitty, unskilled, job traditionally held by HS students/the retarded cos either HS student. retarded, or liberal arts grad
>Instead of bettering self and working hard whine and campaign for undeserved wage rise
>Get wage rise
>Get immediately laid off
The companies who produce the necessary software and technology for automation are going to make a killing over the next decade.
I'm almost 100% positive I used to work with that guy.
>>76983051
tell us more
>>76982460
Training for new hires? I see it posted around the time clock, but I'm not too sure what it entails.
>>76983742
If he's who I think he is he's just some old guy working at mcdicks
>>76982220
If the service jobs in that graph includes public and education then yes, it's correct. Normally public sector and education employment is separated from typical service jobs which are private.
>Ok, but why should they not have a living wage? Why should they live in the poverty line?
See my banana example
>Again, long term employees have a usefulness that recently hired employees don't. It's in a companies best interest to retain long term employees who show themselves to be an asset to the company. Even mindless jobs require hiring and training, both of which are expensive (it costs something like $1000 to hire and train a frycook at McJews, is a quote I once heard, and takes about 6 months of minimum wage work by the employee for the company to recoup that expenditure), also when a company fires an employee, that employee is entitled to unemployment benefits - the company basically has to pay them to sit around on their ass until they find another job. Again, it's in the companies best interest to fire as few people as possible.
>You mean, when the poor starving guy stabs you in a robbery? Yes, survival of the fittest
I mean, I guess? But no minimum wage for entry level jobs is going to create a lot more jobs, so even that poor starving guy is going to be able to find a job more easily (and thus have more money) than if the minimum wage got increased, making fewer jobs available.
