Are you going to Church in the morning, /pol/?
Yes. I am on the fence about the existence of God, but I believe traditional institutions fend off the degeneracy of modern society. Pray for me pol/
>>76906209
No.
I went today :)
Do you mean the comedy show? Yeah I have tickets for my wife and I. Apparently they have this really cool skit about some dude who comes back to life. Apparently it's based on a hit novel.
>>76907056
That's my exact same stance my leafy friend.
>>76906209
I'd love to, but I have no car and no way to get there.
Yes! Going to the kingdom hall tomorrow for refreshing discourse and study.
>>76906209
I haven't been to the church for 2 years
>>76906209
Evening.
CHRIST WILL BOW TO SATAN
>>76908170
Why anon, are you a Jew?
>>76906209
/pol/ I need halp
I found a girl about a month back. We've been going out pretty regularly since we met. This girl is perfect in every way. Funny, beautiful, smart, tall, of Northern European descent (very important to me), etc. Comes from a nice, successful family. Literally the perfect woman. Makes my heart go pitter patter all that good shit. We're 20 and I'm the 7th dude she's kissed and second dude she's done anything with besides kiss.... Totally a good girl. HOWEVER there is one issue I see here
She's religious. Like wants to save herself til marriage religious. Goes to church every sunday religious. Not a cunt about it at all, doesn't judge non religious people, she's very easy going. But she says she cannot date anyone who isn't of the same faith as her. She wants me to go to church with her family tomorrow. I was baptized Catholic but kind of abandoned religion over the years (mostly because of this site) and I kind of feel out of place around her when she talks about her faith...
So my question is wat do. Do I make the ultimate cuckolded sacrifice of trying to be a religious person? Is that weak? Is she asking too much out of me? She is LITERALLY perfect in every other way, the type of girl I'd want to marry. Part of me thinks she's such a good person BECAUSE of religion but that goes against everything I ever thought about religion. I'm so torn here. Religionfags, tell me church isn't that bad.
>>76906209
I remember when I believed, but then I grew out of it, like santa or the tooth fairy
>>76909216
Could be a Catholic cunt
>>76909296
Is she Catholic or what? I'm Orthodox but if I was Catholic I definitely wouldn't leave the Church for a protestant girl to go to some Baptist sermon or whatever with her. But you shouldn't see a religious girl as a negative thing. A woman like that will teach your children virtue and keep you honest.
Sleeping pattern too fucked up
And this pope is making me nearly renounce the faith. Fuck you Francis. I don't even know who I am anymore.
>>76907056
That's a really good way of looking at it my leafy friend.
>>76906209
>>76909144
Isn't that a belief where people think Jesus won't come back because he thinks Satan read the Bible and knows what Jesus will do?
>>76906209
Na. Considering suicide. Need to save up around 15 k so that I can pay for everything and leave some money for my family. Life's fucked mane, and I dont really have any reason to live.
>>76909538
She's nondenominational Christian. I'm non practicing Roman Catholic
>>76909296
what type of church does she affiliate with?
>>76908457
t. A. F. Leaf
>>76909391
>thinking you're above the idea of there being a God
There is no greater foolishness.
Nah the bomb's not ready yet maybe next week inshallah
>>76909678
How are you gonna do it senpai?
>>76909538
And yes I see her being a very good mother and a very good wife. It's early to think about that kind of stuff I just met her and were only 20, but still. It'd be nice to have a woman I can trust, I've been with many women that were not so pure...
>>76909412
We Orthodox go on Saturday evening and Sunday morning but according to Byzantine tradition the evening is the start of the liturgical day, so really it's more like they're both on Sunday.
>>76906209
the church of pastor flagon and the circle of religious drinkers
>>76909296
You're the luckiest guy in the world and you should go to church with her.
Fuck sake. What's wrong with you? Why are you even asking this?
>>76909725
My bad I should've specified. Nondenominational Catholic. Probably the only type of religion I could see myself subscribing to. There's a lot less BS than the Catholic Church, and that's part of the reason I lost faith originally was because of the corruption and lies that the Catholics have spread over history.
>>76909296
>mostly because of this site
What the fuck is wrong with you you stupid cunt. Of course church isn't bad. Although you should dump her to the kerb for not being a virgin.
>>76909678
Don't do it anon.
If you have family you care about, then they must care about you too.
Really think about what that would do to them.
>>76906209
So I might go for the first time in 10 years. I don't really know what denomination would be best and I live in Sacramento, so Catholic is full of Mexicans. Any good segregated church in the 916?
idk. the girl im with just told me she'd rather fuck then go to church.
im such a bad person.
>>76909216
>>76909412
I'm Catholic
>>76909296
Break up with her.
-You will never feel the same as her on religion and it sounds important to her
-Any potential children need consistent parenting, including religion
-You are likely a bad influence on her
-Christians who are looking for an innocent beauty like her are out there and deserve her more than you
Or, find the truth in Christ.
>>76909714
Well maybe go with her and see what it's about? I mean it may be a protestant church but there is some truth to what they preach, even if it contains falsehoods, and omitted truths. Just don't let it ruin Christianity for you if it sucks. You could try going to mass again and see if it does anything for you, maybe try Orthodox Divine Liturgy.
I was in a similar boat when I started dating a Lutheran girl. She's Orthodox now though. I went to a few Lutheran services with her but it was only to be nice and act like I was compromising, I had no intentions of ever leaving the Orthodox Church.
>>76909985
Well dude I'm 20 and have been on 4chan almost every day since I was 14. At that young age it had a lot of influence on my life, not so much any more but I definitely learned to hate women, religion, and the Jews very early on. She's not like any of the women I hear about on this site though, which only leaves me having a problem with religion and the Jews which will always be my eternal enemy regardless of my own faith
>>76906209
Church here is infested with idiots of all denominations. Some spew their faggot hatred outright, calling down the powers that be to smite them.
Others advocate faggotry and drive the masses away from them.
Few are sly.
Naw. I'm too edgy for that shit.
>>76906209
Already been
>>76906209
I feel closer to God in my quiet home than in a Protestant barn full of guitar music and people raising their hands up.
I'm not a Catholic.
>>76909296
Pretty much this >>76910224
>>76910224
Deserve her more than me? I can't be a good person without being religious?
Yep, going to my local Methodist church
Going to my first catholic mass tomorrow, and it's in Latin. Can't wait!!
>>76909678
Suicide is a sin, anon. I really hope you don't do it. I was in the army and lost a few friends to suicide. It's a permanent solution to a temporary problem.
>>76909296
>kissed SEVEN guys
She calls herself a Christian? My gf is an atheist and has only kissed 4 including childhood "boyfriends", and I'm the secons guy she has had sex with. Other guy was LTR . She sounds like a loose cannon
>>76906209
For Pentecost.
>>76908603
Walk or bus.
I went to Vesper tonight, I work in the morning unfortunately.
>>76910384
Enjoy hell
>>76909296
Jealous as fuck, senpai.
>>76906209
Yes.
>t. Ukrainian Orthodox
>>76907056
Will do leaf.
>>76910448
This girls a dime piece, no e stating. Most girls with her looks would be at 10+ dicks taken and 40+ dudes kissed. That's where the religious morals come in.
>>76910117
Try this one anon http://www.annunciation.ca.goarch.org/
>>76909296
>win the lottery
>burn the ticket because you don't want to pay taxes
>>76910654
Have you ever considered really trying to find God?
You most certainly will find Him if you search.
I guarantee it.
>>76910377
I mean, yeah, you can be, but it's rare. The fact that you strayed from the primary source of moral and ethical behavioral standards in our society is very telling.
>>76909296
OH I FORGOT TO ADD SHES A TRUMP SUPPORTER AND CALLS BERNIE SANDERS A MORON DAILY. Fuck it you're right I love Jesus I'm going to church tomorrow boys wish me luck hope I don't bust into flames when I cross the threshold
>>76910744
Thank you. I always assumed Greek Orthodox churches weren't in English for some reason.
>>76906209
Yes.
My traditional Catholic Church has large white families that attend.
Funny, because I always see at least one mom pregnant. They are doing their part to further the white race, are you?
>>76910941
They're not, if they're in Greece. Most Orthodox parishes in the US do the liturgy in English, or at least mostly in English. If you go to a Greek monastery here in the states you might hear it in Greek though.
>>76910377
Parents need to be in the same page. And more than likely you'll pressure her to give you her cherry before you honor her.
>>76911189
What is it like at a traditional Catholic parish?
>>76910448
Who cares about kisses it's about how many men she has been with.
>>76910117
Don't listen to anon, we have milk and cookies.
>>76906209
10a every Sunday. Any Ruasian/eastern orthodox (not Greek)? Was wondering what your services are like and basic beliefs?
>>76906209
General question for everyone: Is nondenominational Christianity the McDonald's of Christianity?
I work nights every weekend, I'm not doing shit except pooping and sleeping.
>>76911883
Yes
>>76911825
Antiochian Orthodox here, this is what our service tomorrow morning sounds like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VNdXMFleBM
>>76909941
Good for you! Distancing yourself from the RCC is a righteous decision. You're moving in the right direction! Use discernment when it comes to non-denominational churches
>>76911883
In my opinion they're mostly aimless feel good clubs.
>>76911481
Beautiful.
I will be honest, I have not kept a consistent record. This is my first mass in a month. The fight against temptation is a long and hard battle.
In mass, Father talks about being spiritually prepared for what is coming. He also talks about the evils in the world and how to stand against Modernism.
We also get some history lessons now and again, the Schism, the Crusades, etc.
>>76909714
I know people who have converted both ways for marriage. Keep in mind that religion might not be important to you now but it will likely be as you have kids, get older, etc.
My recommendation: start going to church again. With her at first (denying whatever it is that they give for the body and blood), then have her come with you to your own church. Leave her in the stall as you go up to communion. She'll respect your beliefs and will likely convert on her own because girls hate being excluded from anything.
>>76912452
What type of traditional Catholic? Fssp sspx? I want to know more.
>>76912616
*About Traditional catholicism
>>76912616
>traditional Catholic
Unless you speak Latin, you aren't going to get much out of this.
>>76906209
Yes.
>>76912616
I can't say for sure to be honest man.
All I know is that our masses are in Latin, and every dad and father there is exactly like Mel Gibson.
I actually went to the church Mel Gibson frequents, in Agora Hills. Very beautiful church.
I was at Vigil tonight, as I have plans all day tomorrow.
I love Roman life, so versatile. For this who don't know, all feasts are celebrated first at mass the night before. If you can't make Sunday the you can go get communion at Sunday Vigil.
>>76913251
The closest trad church is sspx 35 minutes away. To bad sspx is not in full communion.
>>76913524
We are working on it. We don't need another schism on our hands.
No, I'm going to work like a responsible adult. Beats being cucked by a jewish zombie, senpai.
>>76913624
Enjoy western 'values' I guess. I tried that shit, finally had to turn my back on all of it.
Trad life for me familia. Where morality means something.
>>76913624
For many people, they find morality in religion. Do not talk ill of something that makes men, be better men.
By all means, if you don't practice that is okay. I hope that you uphold western(Christian) values.
>>76907056
Holy shit. You may have just converted me right there
>>76906209
Daily reminder you are disgusting and pathetic if you adopt christianity for your little identity politics
>>76909391
Christ said that unless you believe like a child, you will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Childish faith is not so foolish as you think.
>>76906209
I was thinking about waking up, getting real fucking high on drugs and going to the catholic church that only does mass in latin.
>>76906209
Not a church person.
>>Last time i went was on easter
>>76913906
It's not about that, it's about reacting to a western 'civilization' gone mad. Where degeneracy is pushed like oxygen.
Where divorce is celebrated and abortion applauded. Where everyone grows up on feelings and victimhood as a benefit.
I turned my back on your society and I have not looked back once. Good luck with it.
>>76910262
>national socialists
>atheists
Nigger please
>>76914079
Do it if you can.
You might be surprised by the outcome tbqh.
>>76906209
No, I'm getting up to start drinking early with my friends
If I had some clean clothes without holes or sports teams on them, maybe I would
>>76913906
>implying being a Christian isn't my identity first and foremost
>>76914174
Don't worry, one day you will grow up manchild.
Adulthood is tedious but necessary.
>>76909758
underrated
love God, grateful that Jesus died for my sins, but i think modern religious institutions are bad and i dont want to waste my time there
>>76907056
That's how I look at it too, leaf. It's a fine way to be, fpbp.
>>76906209
I haven't gone to mass since April. I just can't support the Church anymore with their immigration mindset and this fucking pope.
>>76912616
i was raised in the sspx in quebec and my parents tried forcing me into seminary, ask me anything
My mom is going to be a reader at the 10:30 mass tomorrow. Just about the transfer to the knights of columbus council at the parish closer to my house
>>76906209
real christians don't go to church
>>76914163
I am a confirmed Catholic, I used to go every single Sunday, even when we were on vacation, until I graduated high school. Now I only go on Easter and Christmas out of respect for my father.
Maybe I will.
They asked me if I ever go and I mentioned this Latin one that it only two blocks from my apartment. My mom said those are really conservative; that's fine by me :-)
I feel like if I go it will be awk tho I'm sure I'll be the youngest person there by like 40 years, and high as fugggg
>>76914507
Traditional Catholicism is what you're looking for friend.
Tridentine(Latin) masses are few, but you can find them.
>>76912198
Beautiful. I'm Lutheran, yet much of our liturgy is the same, at least the same words with a slightly different order. Then again, my Pastor definitely leans towards Orthodoxy, our church is decorated with many traditionally Orthodox icons, and he lights incense at evening prayer, very unusual for a Lutheran church. I find it very worshipful and have much respect and love for my Orthodox brothers and sisters in Christ.
>>76914507
Pope Francis is following the Jubilee Year of Mercy to the letter. I'm proud of him and proud to follow.
He is an example to Christendom. People have been flinging arrows at Pope's since Peter, since Christ.
That's all it is, flinging arrows.
Ephesians 6 12
>For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
>>76914568
Are you still sspx? Tell me about the people.
>>76914617
I attend the most conservative shrine in my area. I relish the ceremony, it brings me to the right headspace.
I enjoy the reverence and devotion it rubs off.
I attended a Mass where the choir was using a guitar and lay persons were handing out the Eucharist. Nobody kneeled through the Communion.
It wasn't for me, I enjoy the traditional ways. I'm a sinner, through and through and I need the structure.
>>76913013
I speak spanish so I could guess what 10-20% of the latin part of the mass. The homily is in english and I enjoy being part of the ancient liturgy
>>76914617
YMMV but the latin mass near me had tones of young families, the wishy washy cultural catholics dont really want to be assed to go to latin mass it seems
>>76914652
Roman here, when will we reconcile and rejoin?
Christendom has been divided for too long in my opinion.
>>76906209
My parish's priest died last year, and the archdiocese closed the church because of the usual lack of money. they closed 1 or 2 others as well and consolidated the communities into the one remaining church. all 3 communities were fairly different and 2 of them never really mixed because of old Italian/irish rivalry, we all do things differently, and the remaining church is definitely the shittier one. has terrible acoustics and arguably design.
im pretty disillusioned when it just ends up boiling down to money, like some kind of fucking franchise fast food place.
this is in addition to a hundred year old jesuit retreat nearby, that had some old buildings and loads of land with ancient trees, who sold the property to a crooked developer under the table right after celebrating the centennial and claiming they would be around for another hundred years.
the developer tore everything down, including all the trees. the property is ruined and he plans to make one of those shitty townhouse communities on it. close to 200 homes or more.
And while the jesuits dont have anything to do with the archdiocese, i know the result will likely be similar for my church. for now it's being maintained, grass cut, etc, but it's only a matter of time before it starts to get run down, and eventually sold off. and thats if it doesnt become victim to an arsonish in the area who's been trying to firebomb churches.
I'm just fucking disillusioned. Every time I try to be a good sport and go to church I just am reminded how much I dislike the one I have to go to now, and get sad.
I want my church back. Fuck the arch diocese. This is why Muslims are taking over.
>>76906209
hopefully i'll go this afternoon
>>76907056
Same with me.
>>76906209
Yes.
To the catholics of this thread I have a question. Do any of you believe there is salvation outside of the RCC?
>>76914992
Dare I say that you are focusing far too much on material things and not on the sanctity of Holy Communion?
Yes, many are lured away by the shiny baubles and petty squabbles and exciting things of the modern age.
But not everywhere. My Shrine is booming with people, young people too. They are fleeing this wicked, degenerative society we live in.
Don't focus on what the other guy does, or the cut if the lawn. Jump in and help that's what I do. The Roman Church needs all of us to step up and take over responsibility for it.
>>76915229
Orthodoxy.
Only exception to RCC.
>>76915229
Eastern Orthadox has a lineage back directly to the Apostles and Peter so they are a valid faith.
That said, I think the entrance into Heaven is a lot harder than we as modern humans believe it to be. I don't think the vast majority of cultural 'Christians' will be saved.
>>76914727
No, I'm not sure what I am though but there's too many contradictions in Catholicism. Clearly post V2 catholicism is a new outlook on the religion, but the SSPX position of recognizing the pope but not obeying makes no sense. They are literally operating a mission in defiance of the wishes of the Church. But Catholicism has always changed its doctrine and had corruption if you look at its history.
Priests are really tough, can be good or traumatizing for some. People vary as everywhere, there is a bit of a cult mindset in some people though. People feel like the world is ending, everything is bad, that people are going to protestantize the parish, scrutinizing the altar boys and women who cut their hair short. I'm apparently a horrible person because I kissed a girl at 14 at a parish function and now I'm not allowed by my parents to talk to girls at the parish at all. I was told by my parents I had a vocation to be a priest, they got the priest to bring me to Flavigny in France to the seminary for first years to convince me, I still said no. My parents said I was going to hell if I disobey God's will. Most people were homeschooled, I had to go to a diocesan school because my parents worked, but then the priest called out people putting kids in diocesan schools as putting them on the path to hell so my mom quit her job and form then we were homeschooled.
There are many good people in the SSPX, and yes they are very conservative, but many strange types as well; I had more of the strange types in my life. I don't mean to discourage you from going though, the experience is different for everyone. Your question is kind of open ended so a different person will give you a different answer.
>>76915229
fun fact: at the council of florence it was taught you had to be submitted to the roman pontiff for salvation (the church always taught baptism of blood and desire though) but at vatican ii muslims are said to worship the same god and among the path of salvation.
>>76915229
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAlCze3ZFjA
>>76914909
>ancient liturgy
why not just go to a church that has eastern rites?
>>76915249
its not so much on the material aspects. I can get over architecture and such. but its just the fact that well, communities are different. you cant just mash 3 of them together after closing their churches and expect it to go smoothly. its especially hard for my community because of the death of the longtime pastor. He was trying his best to unify everyone, (he had been named the head of the 3 unified parishes) but then he passed away.
It was a beautiful funeral mass- must have been dozens of priests from different branches of christendom, and the archbiship gave the mass, but it was under the shadow of the looming closure of the church.
I get what you mean, but the importance of the spiritual location and the community can't be underestimated.
And the fact that it goes back to the archdiocese just closing churches like mcdonalds closes a chain or nabisco ends a product line, just because it wasnt profitable enough, fracturing communities in the process, and then wondering why there's less people actively involved in the church anymore as if it were some huge riddle.
its a house of god, not a fucking business, and it kills me inside that thats the only way the church leadership sees it's churches.
I'm going to Mass tomorrow morning, and I'm going to be dressed with dignity while I'm there as well.
no..although I feel guilty about it. so it's okay.
>>76914652
That sounds interesting, maybe your whole parish will convert to Orthodoxy someday? It's happened before.
>>76915484
Refocus on the Eucharist and confessional.
Every time I hear someone moaning about the Sacrement cover, or the bells, or Francis kissing the foot of a man (BASED) or the Jesuits it's from someone who has not confessed honestly in a long time.
I do confessional before every Mass. It is an insult to Christ to take Communion without being in a state of grace.
>>76915602
The closest eastern catholic church is like 60 or 70 miles away from me. I think Latin Mass is cool to do like 3 or 4 times a year but i would not want to do it all the time.
Although if I wanted to see an eastern right i could just drop by the greek or coptic churches nearby
>>76915602
the tridentine mass is just as ancient, if your heritage is from western europe then that rite is your heritage. some people prefer the more contemplative silence of the western rite as well.
people will say it's from the 1500s, that's not true. there was a number of slight regional variations in the west before then, what they did at trent is codify them all into one to prevent local bishops from changing it.
>>76915484
What happened to the girl?
>>76906209
I tend to hate going to church but I noticed the longer I stay away the less I think about God and sin more and more
If it's only purpose is a weekly reminder that's worth it in my mind.
>>76908603
some churches pick up people and have car pools...
doesn't hurt to ask
>>76915632
We are living in a Godless age or apostasy and heresy. This is the age when the righteous and the wicked have never been easier to spot.
>For you shall know them by their works
Try to focus on your connection with God. Let the external things fade.
These are turbulent times, there is no doubt.
nope
>tfw ashamed to be in church because i don't believe in God
>>76906209
Yes. First time going to a SSPX one too.
>>76915998
I hope for the reconciliation. None of us want another schism.
>>76909296
Church can be pretty dull but it keeps people from doing whatever tf they want.
If shes a good submissive wife material I say go for it and reap the benefits.
If you're gonna stay an atheistfag don't do it because your marriage will be a shitshow
>>76916059
speaking of reconciliation
you guys hear about this?
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/jesus-tomb-renovated-for-first-time-in-200-years/
>>76915839
Dunno, I was just told not to talk to her and we live far away enough that we only really went to mass, not to many functions. Just after that I couldn't go to functions. Her parents hopefully weren't crazy like mine, kek
>>76915858
Why do you hate it? I look forward to it all week desu, if for no other reason than to talk to people at coffee hour.
>>76916186
Oh snap, that's good news. I wonder if I will ever make the pilgrimage myself.
>>76906209
Do i show up early. How do i know im not taking someone elses seat? Is it weird imalone? Will it be weird if im an obvious newfag? Pls help.
>>76914974
Agreed. I am, however, of the opinion that we remain united in our faith in Christ, that the church encompasses all of the true believers in every denomination (an attitude that Roman Catholics, generally, do not share). As a Lutheran I consider myself part of the catholic, meaning universal, church, yet I am not in communion with the bishop of Rome. Of course, I am no heretic, and make no excuses for abject heresy, but oddly enough I think there are even heretics out there with genuine faith in Christ. Heretics aside, I think ecumenism would be served well by a return to the faithful doctrines espoused in the Nicene and Athanasian creeds, with orthodox biblical exegesis and tolerance for a wider variety of styles of worship (in a liturgical sense, I think Scripture is quite clear on the moral behavior expected of Christians, while equally clear on Christ's forgiveness through faith and repentance). I forget the passage, but Paul says something like, one considers one day esteemed above others, another considers all days equally holy, let each do as he will.
>>76909941
convert then faggot. that's the whole point of Protestantism.
PROTESTING the hypocrisy and corruption of the Catholic Church.
Maybe try doing a little research about Martin Luther and see what I mean
You could have a nice submissive wholesome wife on your hands... those are rare I wouldn't throw it away.
>>76916233
God bless. Good night
>>76915768
>i could just drop by the greek or coptic churches nearby
Ehhh. A lot of the Eastern Orthodox churches tend to be pretty exclusive towards outsiders and aren't technically in communion with the western church (despite the west claiming that they are). At least watch a few videos about the eastern catholic rite before you go and consider speaking with the priest so that you (might) have permission to at least eat the leftover bread.
>>76916469
I realize the schismatics are in schism and I should not take communion over there. I do think about finding a qt head scarf wearing waifu sometimes though.
>>76916318
2 major things.
>pay attention to what the Choir does
If they kneel, kneel. If they stand, stand.
>when you go to receive Communion get a blessing instead by crossing your arms over your chest with hands on shoulders
This signifies that you are not prepared to accept the Eucharist yet, but the Father will bless you.
And inquire about Rites of Christian Initiation. This is the weekly class for those exploring Roman life.
>>76916271
I don't hate it so much anymore... but I'm pretty antisocial and i went a year or so without church.
I realize now though that I need to keep going whether I want to or not
>>76916318
>Do i show up early
like 5 minutes early maybe just to be safe
>How do i know im not taking someone elses seat?
Don't worry about it
>Is it weird imalone?
Nope.
>Will it be weird if im an obvious newfag?
No but you may get swarmed by friendly people.
>>76915287
>>76915398
>>76915484
>>76915573
thank you for your answers. Additionally I must ask: what's the appeal of Orthodoxy and Catholicism? Are they exclusively the only true churches on earth? While I appreciate the history and the claims to apostolic succession I can't help but express disdain at some of the practices. Veneration of icons, the intercessory power of saints and mediatrix Mary, infant baptism, ritual etc. To me it just doesn't seem biblical at all. I'm former LDS and was taught that the Catholic church was a "great whore" (according to Joseph Smith) so I have no idea who to affiliate with.
>>76916708
>mormon
judging by your stuff on icons and whatnot, sounds like protestantism might be more for you.
or one of the orthodox branches that dont use icons.
>>76916469
>A lot of the Eastern Orthodox churches tend to be pretty exclusive towards outsiders
The parishes in my town aren't, or at least I hope they aren't. There are western rite Orthodox parishes also.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfAcFRWunlg
>>76916562
>>76916652
Thanks guys. Church i will be going to is presbyterian
>>76916708
Let me shoot from the hip here. I dont speak for anyone but myself.
We honor the Mother of our Lord as the Divine vessel and part of the miracle of our salvation. Mary was sinless, pure and incorruptible. She was that close to God.
As we believe that the righteous are in heaven we merely ask for their intercession on our behalf. A plea for mercy as it were.
We honor Saints because to forget history is a terrible thing. We recognize the great men and women of the past and try to honor their example in our own lives.
It's not worship, just adoration of people who lived so close to God.
As far as infant Baptism, it is crucial to be Baptized in the Church. Back in the annals if out history priests would Baptize natives who didn't speak the language and had no real comprehension of what was occurring.
One does not need to be conscious to be saved.
Just remember, whatever terrible things they say about Roman life in 2016, they said just as bad about Jesus when he was alive.
>>76906209
Yes.
>>76916989
Oh.
Well I have no idea then ignore my advice you won't be kneeling.
>>76916708
There are 5 different stories in the Acts of the Apostles where entire households(including children) were baptized. As a matter of fact the whole infant baptism thing was never an issue until the Anabaptists made it one after the protestant reformation. The power of intercession can be found in James 5:16. And if you pay attention to Orthodox icons they never depict God the Father in them. So all of those things can be found in the Bible but also they are found in Holy Tradition which is just as important.
>>76915757
Our parish got its start from members leaving an ELCA (super liberal lutherans who've adopted many hererical positions in recent years) congregation to join the NALC, a synod of orthodox-minded (orthodox in the sense of biblical exegesis, not so much eastern Orthodoxy, although they definitely overlap) Lutherans created in 2010. We're fairly small and I doubt they'd be willing to stomach another switch. Lutherans, sola fide aside, share the Orthodox love of tradition. My grandfather is a Lutheran minister, I'm going to seminary in the fall to become one, we like being Lutherans, we love Christ and love our church. I love Scripture and find the Lutheran confessions a faithful interpretation, and I have great fondness for Luther's writings. I also read the early church fathers, John Chrysostom, Athanasius, Augustine, all of whom and many more are in this excellent daily devotional book my grandfather gave me. Reading about Orthodoxy, I really think that orthodox Lutherans and the Eastern Orthodox churches are the two most similar denominations in the world. I have no trouble believing that Christ's salvation extends to true believers from both groups, as well as to others, the broader community of the faithful being the one true church.
>>76915821
My heritage is from eastern/northern Europe. I'm basically Catholic by pure coincidence.
I disagree that the tridentine mass is more ancient than the eastern orthodox mass.
Not that it really matters what I think, but I personally would like the two churches to at least recognize each others' communion.
>>76917446
See, that's the rub my friend.
Was Luther divinely inspired to fracture Christ's Church? Did he speak with messengers of God?
Did he receive visions from God? Did he perform any miracles? No.
And yet, you call yourself a Lutheran and I call myself a Christian.
>>76914678
right now, we need clear divisions more than we need love.
loving thy neighbor is literally killing all white people.
>>76917630
What if I told you that all of that was meant for Christian communities?
>Live thy neighbor
Did not apply to everyone it was supposed to be how Christians treated one amother. This modern concept of a passive, ever accepting Christian life is not accurate.
>>76916318
Google is your friend.
Show up like 5-10 minutes early and don't worry about taking someone's seat. It's not weird that you're alone but bring a dollar or two to put into the collection basket. It might be weird if you're an obvious newfag with the more conservative religions (Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, etc.) with the communion part of things at least. When in doubt, if you have to stand up and walk to the altar to receive communion, then just stay seated/kneeling. Go to the breakfast thing that they have afterwards and get some free coffee/donuts.
>>76917574
I call myself a Christian as well of course. Would you have the same issue of a Roman Catholic calling themselves Roman Catholic? I'm a Lutheran Christian.
Of course I do not hold Martin Luther to be infallible, he was a man. Yet, I respect his writings, and find many of them, the Augsburg confession included to be faithful expositions of scripture. By your logic, no man could ever write about Scripture, or preach at all for that matter. By the same logic, anyone who claims a vision would be given full sway. That is utter nonsense.
>>76906209
Can I show up 18 deep get up to piss every 2 minutes and slap the altar boys ass?
Yes.
I am taking my family to church tomorrow.
We go to a small evangelical church in a rural area. The other attenders at the church are fantastic. The degeneracy of the modern world seems absent.
My children see that church is an important part of our life, and that I expect the family to attend, and lead the family accordingly.
(instead of my wife nagging me into going, for instance)
>>76916843
From what I've read, it's a pretty big no-no to receive communion from a place that isn't within your parish (or cultural background), let alone if one wants to receive communion from an Orthodox church if they're Western Catholic.
I could be wrong, but that's what I've been told.
>>76917858
So you have followed just a man away from Christ's Church. As long as we both understand one another.
If you have never honestly confessed your sins and repented then you shall not enter into the Kingdom of heaven.
I'm sorry you were waylaid but these are perilous times.
No. I'm not a fucking idiot.
>>76917446
You should check out a book called "Becoming Orthodox" by Peter Gillquist, it's a really light read, but it's about a group of Evangelicals slowly becoming Orthodox over a decade and all being received into the Church at the same time.
I mentioned early my girlfriend was a Lutheran and we went to a couple services. The more traditional one we went to was definitely more like Divine Liturgy than most protestant services. But the more modern one was directly after so they had all the instruments and stuff out. The sermon was about how Jesus wasn't a sexist for calling his mother "Woman" in the scriptures. I wasn't aware that was a concert to anybody but I guess it is in our times.
>>76918042
Wouldn't the answer be yes then?
The fucking idiot move is not attending Mass.
>>76918000
I would not take communion in a church that I wasn't 100% sure about, theology wise.
If someone asks you about it you can simply say that you weren't sure it was appropriate, since you are just visiting for the first time...
>>76918101
I repeat. No. I am not a fucking idiot. I do not need to give money to the make believe. I do not subscribe to magic.
>>76918101
>atheists
>2016 in the year of our Lord
>not going to church on Saturday, the day of real Sabbath
Fucking plebs smdh
>>76918000
If you're Orthodox than you can receive the Eucharist from any Orthodox parish no matter if it's Greek or Russian or whatever. But no we don't let Roman Catholics partake unless you convert. But you can still go anyway and worship. I go to a Catholic school so sometimes I'll go to the chapel I just don't receive communion.
>>76910912
Nigga i just told my friend a story about a guy i used to know
>be guy
>get laid a few times
>be alone for a while
>decide to summon a succubus to fuck him
>summons the demon, but instead it is a girl
>has a relationship with this girl
>she drains him of his friends and money and life and dreams
>he realizes that the demon he intended to summon and the girl that he did summon were one in the same
a girl and a demon that sucks your soul out of you are indistinguishable from each other
that is the leson
>>76918011
>If you have never honestly confessed your sins and repented then you shall not enter into the Kingdom of heaven.
This isn't exactly correct (it is for the Catholic standpoint). Only god knows who will enter the kingdom and even those of different faiths might be eligible according to the catholic church, as long as they believed that they were doing the right thing for god.
>>76918264
Obligatory
>>76918286
Judaizers please go, see pic related.
>>76918223
That's a great way to think about things. Just talk to the priest afterwards and tell them that you are a visitor interested in the faith.
>>76916811
>>76917121
thank you for your answers.
>>76918286
seventh day adventists pls stop
>>76918387
Christ directed that Christians confess their sins to one another and repent.
Since you never have, you don't know the simple power of this. You are also not a Christian.
You listened to some heretic whose sins were larger than his faith. And so of course he would not confess and repent.
Confessional isn't even controversial.
>>76918264
>this anon
Well, sorry to hear you'll be missing out.
>>76906209
The church I went to is gone now and I haven't been to a new one in ages. I'm kind of a shut-in these days.
>>76918511
Lol no, Romans do Vigil as well. Or Vepsers, same thing.
>>76918421
>>76918547
Heretics are Christians too anon, they're not heathens or pagans. You shouldn't be so judgmental.
>>76918011
Christ's church is bigger than roman catholicism, anon. Do you really think it is that literal? There are faithful believers in Christ in many denominations, and He dwells in each of them.
Was Peter not a man? What about Paul? The church fathers? Even our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was fully man and fully God. What about your Priest, is he a man?
On that note, I really do think the R.C. church has misinterpreted Scripture in many ways. Christ said that He, and He alone, is the rock of His church, not Peter. "You are Petras (rock), yet on THIS rock (faith in Christ) I will build my church. Clerical celibacy as a necessary requirement directly contradicts Paul's guidelines for Bishops in the epistle to Timothy. Better to be celibate, better to be like Christ, but not a strict requirement for salvation or ordination. Or do you think your works will save you? Works are a testament to faith, but seeking after righteous works also leads many astray in their pride. Faith alone is our salvation, anon
>>76918682
I'm not going to sugarcoat doctrine.
If you want to DIY then by all means DIY. But someone needs to take away your cross and bible and give you something else to play with.
Anyone in 2016 who has not confessed their sins and repented honestly is not a Christian, they are merely aping the true Faith.
What, you thought this was a game?
>>76906209
I'm beyond saving, lad.
>>76918547
You're mistaking me for a protestant when you might have missed your own confirmation.
http://www.catholic.org/news/hf/faith/story.php?id=51077
>The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains that "Since it rejects or denies the existence of God, atheism is a sin against the virtue of religion but the imputability of the offense can be significantly diminished in virtue of the intentions and the circumstances" (CCC#2125).
>Let us pray also for those who do not believe in Christ,that, enlightened by the Holy Spirit,they, too, may enter on the way of salvation. Almighty ever-living God,grant to those who do not confess Christ that, by walking before you with a sincere heart, they may find the truth and that we ourselves, being constant in mutual love and striving to understand more fully the mystery of your life, may be made more perfect witnesses to your love in the world. Through Christ our Lord.
>>76906209
I would but I have no idea where a church is where I am and what do I even do do I just walk in and sit down?
>>76918747
I get it, your son outweighs your faith.
The idea of exposing your true nature and being forgive fully isn't in your wheelhouse.
That's fine. For you. But you need to hand in your bible and cross and find something else.
>>76918831
>I'm beyond saving, lad
> implying your problem is too big for Christ to handle
"But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, with men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible."
Matthew 19:26
>>76918659
>acts like stereotypical fedora
>mad that he is named as such
>>76918915
sin*
>>76918787
You may know where the Holy Spirit is anon but you don't know where it isn't. Catholics don't have a monopoly on the Holy Spirit, neither do Orthodox, to suggest otherwise is heresy. We're all sinners so you're no better than that anon just because you go to confession.
>>76918856
You want to tell people not to confess their sin, go ahead. But that is heresy.
I'm not sugarcoating for you either.
Repent pol. You can not enter into the Kingdom until you have.
>>76918906
Yeah pretty much although if it's an Orthodox parish then we generally stand instead of sit.
>>76918915
Have some respect towards the Eastern Catholic church. The east and west are two lungs within the same body.
>>76919019
I have achieved a state of grace.
Have you?
>>76918923
What if I tell you I don't deserve saving.
>>76914146
Hahahah, what the literal fuck are you implying here? That Hitler and the nazis gave a fuck about church and christ?
Good god, /pol/ is shit the unironical way when USA is in charge here.
>>76918547
Christ directed us to confess and repent before God, not to you or any other man. I myself am constantly in a state of sin and repentance before God, and thus faith in my salvation through Christ. Such is the Christian life.
God decides who enters His kingdom, not you, nor the Pope. I dare not judge the prospects of your salvation, but I will say that you sound an awful lot like the Pharisees, prideful in your adherence to the law, quick to judge.
>>76919100
Wait, Orthadox don't have a Rite of confession?
Oh come on!
No
>>76919082
>You want to tell people not to confess their sin, go ahead. But that is heresy.
I never told catholics not to repent their sins. I simply restated the views of the catholic church and its leader (who, according to the church, speaks directly with god).
If you have a problem with the catechism or the pope, please speak to your local priest.
>>76919142
What does that mean to you? Theosis? You don't sound very graceful to me anon. Seems like you're full of pride.
>>76919225
>absolute heresy
Is any one among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord; and the prayer of faith will save the sick man, and the Lord will raise him up; and if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven. Therefore confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man has great power in its effects.
Go to confession pol. Repent your sins. Share the burden.
>>76919354
The subject is confessional, as directed by Christ.
Don't swap it to me because you can't unburden yourself and I have.
>Is any one among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord; and the prayer of faith will save the sick man, and the Lord will raise him up; and if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven. Therefore confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man has great power in its effects.
>>76918915
I confess freely and openly that I am a sinner. Who are you to tell me my faith is not true? Who are you to judge another's servant? I serve Christ our Lord and confess my sin freely and openly in His sight.
>>76919229
We do confession we just don't have the private confessionals like Catholics do.
>>76919192
>What if I tell you I don't deserve saving
then you are in better shape than you realize. You already have the beginning of wisdom.
You see, none of us deserve to be accepted by God. Not a single one of us. None of us deserve to be forgiven. Not a single one of us.
The people who develop the deepest faiths for Christ are often the ones who realized they needed Him the most.
You should read Luke 15
http://biblehub.com/bsb/luke/15.htm
>>76906209
No. I am a firm believer in Christ, but I have too much anxiety to go to church. Being a new face someone is guaranteed to talk to me and probably invite me to groups and stuff and I don't really want to get involved in all of that. Idk, I know I should go but I keep putting it off
>>76919451
You hold onto your burden jealously and are terrified at the thought of honestly telling another human being what terrible things you have done.
I'm not.
>>76919463
Wew, okay good.
Whatever form you do it in, you understand the spiritual necessity.
>>76919317
this is superficial , ham-fisted criticism. any catholic "can speak to god" - it's called prayer. It's not a privilege reserved for the pope.
>>76919192
1 Timothy 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
>>76919373
>Therefore confess your sins to one another
Whereby, using a few lines of scripture, you have "disproven" the church's view that only a priest can forgive sins.
See how using a couple of sentences of scripture can work against you?
Did you actually go to confirmation?
Yes, I still hold values and I am a nationalist. Although I heavily question my fellow Christians considering Baptist were supposed to be tougher then the puritans back in the day.
>>76919643
Look I get it.
You don't repent for your sins AND you think you are righteous.
I'm with you. I just don't think you are righteous. You seem to really want to keep sin hidden and private.
Most ppl are secretly atheist, let's just admit it guys...
>>76919814
Actually no, in my experience many atheists are still seeking.
They just aren't seeing.
>>76919814
atheism is a tool of the jew
Going to bed now /pol/, have a good night! Hope you all go to Church in the morning and check out an Orthodox Divine Liturgy if you are curious! God bless.
>>76919927
goodnight brother thanks for your participation
>>76909144
Satan failed, edgelord. You know, the whole 40 days in the desert thing.
>>76919570
It was more to rebuke him than anything by saying the leader of the catholic church and the catechism itself are contradictory towards his position.
>>76915484
do your parents approve of you using 4chan?
do you praise kek?
>>76919735
Did you actually complete confirmation?
Are you an adult in the eyes of the church?
>>76919927
I will likely check out some Eastern Catholic masses in the near future.
>>76906209
Of course not.
Neither God or Jesus would approve of this congregation bullshit. Being a good person and believing in them is good enough.
Anyone that says otherwise has no right to judge.
>>76920194
You jeep talking about me, me, me.
Because I'm saying truth that you do not like. You question my intelligence, my age, anything but actually confessing your sins and repenting honestly.
Repent your sins anon. I am not the problem in your life. It's not as bad as you think.
For me doing a full adult confessional was the most exhilarating and positive thing I have done as an adult.
Focus less on me, more on repenting.
>>76919508
Yeah, nah a tale of lost sheep means nothing to me. A sheep has no high though processes. I on the other hand have done bad shit. And I've done them not because I was ignorant, I knew they were bad, but still did them, and will continue to do them.
>>76919220
UK ,Sweden,France & Norway?
Consequences of abandoning christianity.
Islamization of your country.
Liberal cuck
>>76920393
I have repented my sins, many times. What I'm saying that your argument is flawed and you should seriously consider taking an adult confirmation class to learn the catechism.
Your "truths" are well-guided but aren't exactly correct. I'm glad that you had a great confessional and I hope that you have many more. Please just learn more about the faith (and other faiths) before criticizing others.
>>76919521
Look, you're right about that. I am indeed ashamed of my sins and, while I readily confess I am a sinner, I fear sharing the specifities of my sins. That being said, is not the entirety of the law summed up in, do unto others as you would have them do unto you? Thereby, is not confessing to failing that one law confessing to every sin? Is it enough to confess lustful desire, or must I share the details of my lust? I see the value of confession to other men, but I don't find it necessary for salvation, which is between each man and God alone.
>>76920491
>Yeah, nah a tale of lost sheep means nothing to me
Well, read all of Luke 15. There are multiple different allegorical passages.
The message they all convey is: God celebrates tremendously when a tremendously lost person comes back to Him.
The deeper into sin someone is, the more they need God's salvation; the more they appreciate salvation; the more God rejoices at their return.
I think most people know they are sinning when they sin. They do it anyway.
God wants to save you. God has the power to save you.
If you ask to be saved - if you ask to be forgiven, God has the power to transform your life.
>>76920922
Damn, I envy how naive you are.
No. Read too much Dalrock.
t. Christian
>>76909144
i seriously doubt Lucifer looks like that.
>>76920491
>>76921220
>>76921508
are you autistic?
>>76921508
Looks like McDonald's has been good to you.
>>76920858
I don't necessarily agree with the beliefs that you've posted on this thread, but thanks for maintaining a healthy dialog while presenting your position. Don't take the other guy too seriously. He's obviously pious but is misguided.
>>76921417
Because that's Satan, the shape he was curse with after being throw to earth.
>>76907056
Same here, senpai
Also, I love the Latin Mass
>>76919261
underrated
>>76906209
>Are you going to Church in the morning, /pol/?
no, fuck off! praise God, but burn the church
>>76920517
Yes, that is the result of it. Not open borders, promotion of cuckery in the media or international pressure.
You are a fucking idiot. Now go find another meme picture completely disregarded of context, to prove your point.
>>76907056
You just convinced me to go to church for the first time in years.
>>76906209
>worshipping a jew
>not worshipping our lord and saviour KEK
PRAISE BE UNTO YOU TOO HERETIC, FOR KEK HAS SHOWN MERCY TO THE WORLD. KEK IS STILL HERE IN DUBS, TRIPS, QUADS AND QUINTS. HE IS THE LIGHT. HE IS LOVE. HE IS LIFE. PRAISE BE UNTO YOU, PRAISE BE UNTO KEK.
memetica praisuni kek
