/pol/, I used to think like one of you. I used the same old hat line, "people kill people, not guns." But then when I got to university, I started to read much more and I looked at the facts. The UK and Australia have both greatly restricted gun ownership and guess what? It worked! When was the last time you heard about a shooting in broad daylight or a school massacre out of the UK or Australia? Not since the gun buyback friends.
You can misinterpret the constitution and scream NOT INFRINGED all you want, it doesn't change the fact that gun control WORKS. Gun crime is at a 40 year low thanks to democrats and their policies on gun control. But still, as Christina Grimmie's brutal senseless death has show us, "control" is not enough. We need to repeal the second amendment. Yes, I said it. And many more educated individuals like myself agree. It's no longer the 18th century, if a government went tyrannical they'd take your guns in a second and you'd turn them over. Stop lying to yourselves. It's time for us as a so called first world nation to stop this violence.
tl;dr lol.
go fuck yourself retard.
Wow...
Really makes you think...
>>76898708
>UK and Australia
both fucking islands
SHALL
>>76898753
>>76898760
Name the last school shooting in the UK if you're so sure you're right. I'll wait, take your time. I know It's hard for white trash hicks to use the computer so I'll be patient.
>>76898708
A couple of days ago.
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/10/asia/australia-police-shoot-3-bystanders/
>>76898891
WELL REGULATED MILITIA
>>76898708
what can you expect here in america when guns are sold in grocery stores
>>76898983
NOT
so she died then?
>>76899096
It's frucking true dude. I go to wallmart in my shitty pasty white trash town and see them selling an entire arsenal. I feel like I'm surrounded by idiots.
The mandatory gun exchange in Australia didn't reduce gun violence. Nor did it reduce gun ownership.
Quite the contrary, just like the Obama Administration gun ownership in Australia following the mandatory exchange has increased.
Also: Fun fact the majority of gun related violence in the US is drug/gang related (Something like 70-80%)
Less home burglaries in the US are "Hot" (Perpetrator enters the home while home owner is in the building) then either the UK or AUS.
The suicide rate in the US is considered average compared to the rest of the developed world so while guns are involved in more suicides they haven't caused more suicides per capita.
The majority of gun violence in the States is committed by individuals who don't have legal access to firearms. As for school shootings or spree killings the best way to reduce that is to mandate a psychological assessment to be capable of buying firearms. Just like the one's police officers have to pass.
>>76898708
The reason is less dumb people have access to guns.
>>76899528
INFRINGED
>>76899528
The cutest part is you think you're winning.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/9th-circuit-court-appeals-says-no-right-concealed-gun-carry-n589041
KEK
Almost all mass shootings take place in no gun zones.
>>76899724
Concealed Carry Licenses are already required in the majority of the US. By all rights California is behind the times.
Gun owners aren't losing California is finally entering the 21st Century.
>>76899605
I feel you man, I used to be in denial like you. But take a look at the facts:
The Harvard Injury Control Research Center discovered a positive correlation between gun ownership and violence. Since the 1970’s crime has been declining with gun ownership in the United States. However, recently gun ownership has been increasing and not surprisingly, violent crime.
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/14/nine-facts-about-guns-and-mass-shootings-in-the-united-states/
America has a mental health and general culture problem. People don't normally have a strong will to kill each other but Americans seem to. There are many countries in the world with high gun ownership and the UK used to be one of them.
>>76900080
enjoy ur b&. leave ur porn shit out of /pol/
>>76898708
I know you're trolling but the news doesn't report shootings here
>>76900080
Yes and the UK had a string of school shootings throughout the 90s and being intelligent and rational people they enacted common sense gun control and wouldn't you know gun crime when down! What a shocker. Take away the guns and you take away gun crime, it's so simple that it's astonishing pro gun fags can actually wipe their asses and dress themselves.
>>76899819
You're right, she could have replied with deadly force after being shot in the head with her own concealed firearm.
>>76898983
>pic
The answer to that is the fact that a militia is made up of the populace?
I mean really If you want to go deep into this we could argue that a militia actually consists of all able bodied men aged 18-45, but that'd be too sexist and transphobic for you now wouldn't it!
Oh and guess what, it's not 'unregulated' because (unless you're living in a gunless shithole like commiefornia) if you pull out a pistol in a mall in say, Arizona, chances are some other guy who conceal carries (see: person exercising his/her natural born rights)
is more likely to stop his spree before the po-po get there.
It's a little thing called, "Natural Selection". I thought you atheist libshits understood evolution better than us dumb, uneducated, white trash christfags!
>knowingly being against anti-gun on 4chan
It's been debunked so many damn times here it's almost certain you're shitposting
>>76900294
you really think its that simple? You are only hurting legit gun owners. Criminals will always find away. e.g. mexico
"Haha the UK reduced gun crime so dramatically by banning guns, hahah"
Meanwhile certain areas of London are entirely like Chicago except you get stabbed instead of shot, and you have absolutely no righ or means to defend yourself, so they make carrying knives illegal too, soon we won't be allowed pencils, and after that we won't be allowed to buy wood, meanwhile criminality in my area has went up, but the use of guns in those instances has went down, i see no improvement at all
>>76898708
You're not taking my guns away, cuck. I don't care what you study. My guns are my guns.
>>76900263
Ah I see, I can't find the info so le jews in the media are suppressing it. It's ashame you have a gun ban at times like this, because if you didn't I'd tell you to go paint your wall with brain matter you uninformed piece of shit.
>>76900058
Gun violence has actually gone down in recent years and has continued to do so.
http://truthaboutguns-zippykid.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/US-homicide-rate-1891-2008.jpg
https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/guns31.png
I want to throw it out there that I don't like firearms. I asked the RCMP if I could refuse to carry and was told no.
That said I like to look towards the evidence of any argument (Criminology shouldn't be driven by bias) and so I dislike the intellectual dishonesty of the Democrats regarding gun control.
t- Criminal Justice Major
>>76898708
Just wait for Hillary's judge. She'll put gun nuts in their places
>>76898708
>Be OP
>Think people only die because of guns
>Think gun control prevents all forms of violent crimes
What's next, OP? Are you going to come take my letter opener away because it could be used to harm a person? Get a grip, brah.
>>76900445
Has nothing to do with the gun laws bong. They're one of the few things your shitty gloomy island got right.
A possible explanation is that many repeat offenders in the UK serve shorter prison terms and find themselves back on the streets. There is no evidence however, to suggest that the high violent crime rate in the UK is due to the lack of guns.
I personally hate guns and think they're spree killing enablers. But let's be real here.
The Democrat party candidate ran a pro-gun platform and got 40% of votes while the Republican party is the Republican party. If >50% of the population wants guns, banning it will just encourage a massive black market. Not to mention all those guns which will be tucked away during the 'ban'.
>>76898856
This
You amerifats need to build a fucking wall with spikes and boiling oil over it first before you restrict/ban guns, you have fucking Carlos and Juans and Antonios down south that can ship in guns and shit.
>>76898983
You dont even understand the second amendment
>>76900294
>Take away the guns and you take away gun crime
Yes because USA is a small island that isn't next to Mexico. So no guns will exist after it gets banned.
Oh wait
>>76900640
This is very true. Firearms are almost completely banned up here without justification for owning one (Like say a hunting rifle or shotgun to hunt/defend your home from wild animals)
Handguns are almost impossible to get in Canada yet all of the gangs have access to them because they're smuggled in illegally from other countries.
Banning guns will only take them out of the hands of individuals who actually need them. Criminals don't give a shit about gun control laws.
>>76900423
That's also been disproven. Two favorites of all pro gun idiots are John Lott Jr. and professor Gary Kleck, a criminologist because they argue that guns are frequently used for self defense. These claims have also been debunked by peer review. A study by Philip J. Cook and Jens Ludwig titled “Guns in America: National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms,” found that Kleck’s defensive gun use numbers are “far too high” to the point of suggesting bias, as are numbers by similar studies. The National Institute of Justice found that there is even an overestimation in Cook and Ludwig’s study. Another study by the Berkley Media Studies Group found similar discrepancies with Kleck’s and Lott’s defensive gun use claims. According to the Harvard Injury Control Research Center a gun in the home is more likely to be used to commit suicide or to threaten or kill an intimate than used to deter an attacker. The Stanford Law Review found More Guns, Less Crime to be lacking in statistical support. Lott has also come under scrutiny for ethics violations regarding his research. There has been doubt cast on whether or not Lott actually conducted his study at all.
>>76898983
Well regulated does not mean well restricted. It means to be in working order.
>>76900445
Violent gun crime is higher now than when we had relaxed gun laws.
I'm with you.
It was a gun-free zone! I just don't see how this happened; he wasn't allowed to bring a gun.
We need MORE regulations.
>>76900840
>regulate
control or supervise (something, especially a company or business activity) by means of rules and regulations.
>restrict
put a limit on; keep under control.
LITERALLY the same.
>It worked!
Nope.
http://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/crime/there-has-been-a-spate-of-shootings-in-victoria-this-week/news-story/a49112d323e34c6e7aaba21231c62c69
>>76900486
Yes because of policies enacted by progressive politicians who fought the NRA tooth and nail. Don't believe me? Take a look at the assault weapons ban and the decrease in gun crime immediately after it was enacted. And I don't care what you studied before dropping out you piece of garbage. Go major your car into a river if your only grievance with democrats is the way in which they deliver their message.
>>76901155
Tell you what, OP. You have so much confidence in your gun control, I'll give you a challenge. Go walking through Chicago, in the ghettos. Bring no form of self defense, because you're very confident that gun control works. Tell us what happens. If you don't get harmed/robbed/mugged/assaulted in any way, then maybe, MAYBE, I'll believe gun control does anything.
>>76899724
>The 9th Circuit in San Fran said so, it must be true!
>The court that's reversed the most often
kek.
Get ready for concealed carry to be ruled a right protected by the 2nd amendment.
>>76898983
>>76901029
Court ruling, yada yada.
>>76901155
>salt weapons
>Constitution
/thread
I'm a law postgrad specialising in constitutional law. I understand the importance of the constitution to Americans, because we Irish similarly try to protect ours at all costs.
The US and Ireland are unique among common law countries for our deference to constitutionality. That's what's causing the humiliating issue of abortion here, and it's what's causing the pig-ignorant pursuit of firearms over there.
The Founding Fathers didn't intend for civilians to be wandering around megalopoles with semi-automatics. They wanted to arm the populace with fuckin blunderbusses in case the English or the French came knocking.
You don't have defend yourselves from bears or red injuns anymore, brothers. Lay down your arms and join the rest of the civilised world. Yours is the greatest military in human history, but your refusal to amend an ancient legal document is killing your countrymen.
Put their right to life above your own misinterpreted right to possess a death machine.
>>76900628
>muh feels say gun laws don't work
Before presenting this retarded argument take a moment to consider the fact that automatic weapons are well regulated and as a result are used infrequently in crime.
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcfullau.html
http://articles.latimes.com/2012/oct/16/news/la-pn-romney-illegal-automatic-weapons-20121016
>>76898932
It's perfectly acceptable for police to target civilians. They're above the law, to believe they are accountable to the laws they enforced solely for the masses would mean their flawed humans unable to bear their responsibilities.
When faced with the decision concerning where a citizen's loyalties truly lie, the government must supersede any alternative. The government is the source of human identity. It is the moral foundation of its citizens, how a citizen is clearly defined, and the entity that grants the people their rights.
To oppose the government in any fashion should be met with extreme prejudice. A citizen who values the life of their loved ones, whether it is familial relatives or ones founded on friendship, above their allegiance to the State is a traitor to modern civilization, a revolting monstrosity who should perish with their primitive views.
>>76898708
Nice one Hillary... Pls go blackmail and eat out some more womyn.
>>76901445
You heard me. Walk through the ghettos, stop dodging. You're so confident in your gun control, you shouldn't be at all worried about this challenge, knowing how gun controlled Chicago is.
>>76901029
Look up "regulate" in a dictionary of that time..
Having semi-auto weapons with hicap mags makes it easier to kill large amounts of people in a short amount of time and I wouldn't have it any other way. That's the price of freedom, niggers. Encryption can be used to protect a people from government tyranny, but it can also be used to aid terrorism. Same shit.
>>76901444
It's not like we have a shortage of countrymen though.
Does anyone really care if a bunch of gangbanging niggers kill each other?
>>76898983
Militia, by law consists of ablebodied men and women 18-45, all of them; regulation means using similar armament and standardised munitions, so everbody is using .308 ars with interchangeable mags and carrying 12ga 2.75"~3" shells and holstering .50AE. It also means that all militia members can be expected to fire accurately and in their lane with a battle rifle, shotgun, and desert eagle.
Millionth time we've gone over this, but hey.
>>76901070
The fact is there have been no mass killings — defined by experts there as a gunman killing five or more people besides himself — since the nation significantly tightened its gun control laws almost 20 years ago
>>76901444
No. Blunderbusses were the highest caliber of weapon available at the time. It would make zero sense to limit the common populace to one shot weapons when automatic and semi-autos exist.
>>76901591
Gangbangers killing eachother is one thing, faggots killing qt 3.14 girls is another.
>>76901444
you are talking from the point of view of a man who lives in a 90%~+ white society, just lay down your guns and go wave to the friendly neighborhood chicago men, they love to interact.
>>76901445
Maybe infrequently in common crime, used pretty frequently in crime families thanks to crooked politicians who decided to use gun bans to establish a monopoly on the black market.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/02/25/ex-calif-state-sen-leeland-yee-gun-control-champion-heading-to-prison-for-weapons-trafficking/
>>76901444
>The Founding Fathers didn't intend for civilians to be wandering around megalopoles with semi-automatics. They wanted to arm the populace with fuckin blunderbusses in case the English or the French came knocking.
Nice trips, but no. Their whole reasoning was if the government becomes too overbearing and oppressive of the country, OR if a foreign army invades. Either case is to be deterred by the entire populace being able to fight back against a corrupt government or an invading nation.
The people were allowed much more than blunderbusses and flintlocks and all that. They had cannons, mortars, puckle guns, and even warships.
>>76901467
>Canada being shit again.
They shot up a bunch of civvies by accident.
>>76900240
Are you new lad? Yotsuba boards are NSFW.
>>76900294
I find it astonishing that you think taking away the tool diminishes the will. This is how I know you're a sheltered fuck. If I want to kill a load of people, I'll do it one way or another. I live in London and we still have gun crime here as well as other areas in the UK like Manchester.
Criminals by definition do not follow the law and will always be armed, where is the logic in disarming the entire population to target those who disregard the law in the first place? Its a very simple concept but you retards can't seem to get your head around it.
I'm not even asking for a gun I can't even carry a fucking blade to protect myself against people who always carry blades.
>>76901711
Then why not find a cure for faggotry?
>>76901155
They're actively lying and I've dropped out of nothing. I'd never cite my field of study as a reference for intellectual honesty if I wasn't currently engaged in it.
Your argument was that gun violence increased. I argued the opposite and proved you wrong. Now you're engaging in ad hominem because your argument is effectively baseless.
The large capacity magazine or "Assault weapon" ban didn't effect the rate of gun related homicides. If a mugger or criminal is going to murder another they don't need a 16 round magazine to do it.
A 2004 review of the gun ban legislation by the National Research Council didn't find any significant correlation between the ban and decrease in gun related violence.
Similarly was a study by the Assault Weapons Ban committee which corroborated that there was no correlation between the ban and rates of gun violence.
Those policies literally did fuck all and now you're resorting, to reiterate to ad hominem because you know your dialogue is wrong and intellectually dishonest. It's based on lies and none of the gun control policies the Democrats have enacted has had any meaningful effect on the rate of violence.
This is supported by the reports of not only the FBI and the NRC but the bloody committee organized to test the effectiveness of these policies.
>>76898708
>One year at University and I'm a brainwashed liberal faggot
Oh boy
>>76901755
Anyone who thinks their Glocks are going to stand up to a corrupt government armed with fighter jets, drones, and nukes among other things is kidding themselves.
>>76901029
>To adjust for accurate and proper functioning.
>To put or maintain in order.
It's not good to ignore all the definitions when you look them up on the internets trying to support a position.
>>76901444
>The Founding Fathers didn't intend for civilians to be wandering around megalopoles with semi-automatics
They likely also didn't intend for the First Amendment to be used by Jews, homosexuals, and other subversives to bring about the downfall of the country.
Funnily enough though, the purpose of keeping the citizenry armed and ready to overthrow corrupt and oppressive government is still as relevant today as it was in 1776. This is the purpose of the Second Amendment and for this reason and only this reason, SHALL NOT INFRINGE.
>>76900080
Thank you britbong for speaking common sense.
Also, someone post the US murder rate before and after you remove murders where the killer was black.
>>76901526
I used to live in LA dumb ass. I went walking through skid row at 2am as A scrawny white dude and nothing happened. I've done it multiple times as well. You're paranoid. If there's anyone to fear in LA it's the fucking cops:
http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/02/us/los-angeles-police-shooting/
>>76902009
Did I say LA or did I say Chicago? I'm pretty sure I said the Chicago ghettos.
>>76901903
Then, why haven't we wiped ISIS or the Taliban off of the map yet?
>>76901444
Where in our Constitution is there any mention of blunderbusses?
>>76898983
>not knowing that the comma means that it is a list
>>76901526
>>76902009
If you're not a beta cuck and can walk with proper posture and talk to people without stuttering you'll be fine. If they smell that you're weak they'll fuck with you, though.
>>76898708
>It's time for us as a so called first world nation to stop this violence.
If you take away guns then gun crime would obviously go away. That does not mean that deadly violent crime goes away with it. Violent crime actually tends to go up, especially strong-arm (unarmed) violence which is perpetrated by the strong against the weak. Firearms in the hands of the lesser-able tends to put them on an equal playing field with the physically endowed which by definition greatly limits predatory violence. To take away firearms is to endanger the weak and embolden the criminal classes. Thanks asshole.
>>76901903
Oh boy, here we go again.
I really need to keep a capture of responses every time someone says this.
>>76900080
>having this kind of file saved on your computer
>>76898708
Look at violent crime stats and get back to me.
>>76901707
That's my point. They didn't even envision the kind of guns we have now. The people who *wrote* the fucking thing probably wouldn't agree with you having them.
>>76901722
Our society isn't defined by "whites". We have gangland and nig-tier Irish travellers.
>>76901755
Maybe so, but good luck fighting against the modern US war machine. Statism is a lost cause; it died at the end of your civil war.
>>76898708
>the UK and Australia have both greatly restricted gun ownership
yeah, we have also had our freedoms and liberties eroded to the point that we barely have free speech anymore
>>76898708
> We need to repeal the second amendment.
Is someone trying to incite another civil war? At least give it a few years before pushing all these drastic changes.
>>76900628
I'll gladly die if I get to kill some rednecks like you and get guns under control
>>76902185
>>76898708
>>76902009
>I went walking through skid row at 2am as A scrawny white dude and nothing happened.
Skid row is full of homeless people at 2am, not gangbangers, you fucking retard. Downtown isn't where you risk getting shot, it's South LA, the area south of the 10.
And you'd probably be mugged or raped the moment you went there.
Officer F-22 here, got any guns?
>>76902248
t. potatonigger
>>76901678
Why is one mass killing of 5 people worse than 100s of unique murders?
Fact is the violent crime and murder rate in Australia didn't drop for 8 years after Port Arthur only when they realised they had a rape epidemic, and they realised you can't just BLAME GUNS! and had to start actually effective programs that take time and effort (such as police training, helplines, harsher sentencing etc). Only then did their murder rate (along side their rape rate, go down. They rape rate went down over 70% and their murder rate went down substantially as well but between enacting those programs and banning guns it stayed pretty much the exact same.
Why? Because when someone wants to kill another person, they'll find a way. It just isn't true that guns cause all these spur of the moment murders where people just pull out their glock and blow a cunt away. Sure, mass murders are very hard without a gun and bombings are always called terrorism so the mas murder rate tends to go down but the actual number of innocent lives lost does not. So explain to me, other than MUH FEELINGS cause you see mass murders differently, why should we ban guns if it saves 0 lives?
Also in England when Port Arthur and Dunblane happened we literally came gun grabbing, I remember my Grandad having to hand over some now ineligible guns. Our mass murder rate since the 80s has pretty much stayed the same, we enacted harsher control in the 90s, still had 2 maniacs running round killing people since then, in fact we have had rising gun crime since the second gun control buff (in the 90s) because it's not the fucking laws it's the people, and when you start importing a bunch of romanian/polish/arab subhumans you start to get more crime.
>>76902062
Listen dumb ass, I'm not your weak father. I'm not taking a flight to ohare to prove your wrong. I've lived in LA, Philadelphia, charlotte, and memphis. I've been out at all hours in most parts of the city and nothing has happened. Stop blaming me for the fact you're a weak chinned pussy too afraid to walk down a fucking block.
>>76901802
You'll still get b& for posting porn. NSFW can also means gore and shit is allowed to be posted here doesn't mean you can start a porn dump here as well.
>>76901444
>You don't have defend yourselves from bears
Fuck off you ignorant mick.
>>76902518
So how many more need to die in Chicago to show you gun control doesn't work?
>>76898708
>But then when I got to university
First, kill yourself if you're that easily brainwashed.
Second, AMERICANS DONT SPEAK LIKE THIS. THIS IS A PROXY FAGGOT SHILL.
I REPEAT THIS IS A PROXY DO NOT RESPOND
Americans put "a" before university...only Yuropoors and probably Australians/Kiwis say "I went to university", or "I went on holiday."
>>76898708
Stop using Australia and UK as an example of gun laws working, it didn't, we now have vastly more violent crime per person then we did before we lost our guns.
Fuck London is literally known for it's stabbings.
There are more success stories of countries without guns then Australia and UK, a good example would be japan, but you lib cucks would never use a homogeneous society to support your facts now would you, after all it would prove our point.
>>76901647
Sounds like cause for gun owners to be licensed and required to pass tests before owning a weapon.
>>76902518
Either you need to pick some better places to live friend, or you're lying on the Internet to prove a point
>>76901678
>defined by experts there as a gunman killing five or more people besides himself
And yet you probably use the definition of 4 or more people besides himself for incidents in the US.
Nice choice, you goalpost moving cocksleeve.
>>76902516
Nice polemic. Care to give me a single source? It's ironic people are calling me misinformed when I've posted about a dozen citations ranging from harvard to the burea of Justice statistics. You're faggy anecdote means nothing.
SAGE SAGE SAGE
Ignore or sage shill threads
>>76902518
Oh man, I bet you were really frightened of being shot by those homeless people who can't afford guns when you walked down skid row at night.
SHALL
Jesus look at all these statists.
However this shooting has made me "bite the bullet" and start stocking up on mags and ammo. And i'll probably start my AR build soon as well.
>>76902499
>utter butchery of history
your burger is showing
>>76898708
this is the price America must pay for a diverse citizenry.
everything comes with a price.
>>76898708
>when I got to university,
>the constitution
>NOT INFRINGED
>second amendment.
foreigner detected, suck a gun faget
>>76902620
We also call it college.
But yeah, it's clearly an aussie shitposter
>We need to repeal the second amendment.
good luck
it would be nice if all gun grabbers thought this way, instead of trying to circumvent and undermine the bill of rights
>>76902248
>They didn't even envision the kind of guns we have now.
They didn't envision radio either.
Does the first amendment only apply to quill and parchment?
>>76902905
White male shot white female. What does this have to do with diversity?
>>76902551
Go cry into mook's scrotum you low energy cuck.
>>76902518
Respond to my previous post you fucking faggot, otherwise I'll take it you have no substantial argument and you're just another easily defeated retard.
>>76898708
The rights of all of the people are worth more than the lives of the small fraction of a percent of people who are impacted by gun violence.
It doesn't matter who dies, and it doesn't matter how many dies. Right are always more precious. To say otherwise is treason.
>>76902248
>They didn't even envision the kind of guns we have now
The reason for which the founding fathers put ownership of firearms in the constitution has not changed on account of firearms becoming more powerful.
>>76902989
Don't be an autist, it's not about the literal application of the law. It's about the suitability of the law. And your gun laws are failing you.
>>76902698
Dude I have no reason to lie about this shit to some delusional pasty white incels on a fucking chinese basket weaving forum. Leave your fucking basement and walk in the shittiest parts of LA or NYC at night and odds are NOTHING will happen. Even to a weakling like you. Thanks to rational gun laws put in place by democratic politicians. Notice I said LA and NYC only because they are progressive cities with common sense gun laws. Now go to a fucking concert in a shitty redneck southern state like Christina Grimmie did and you might get fucking shot.
As no one can give me a single citation and you fags only respond with anecdotes and delusional interpretations of the outdated second amendment, I'm leaving. Radiohead has a new album out and I'd rather listen to that than your whining. Peace
>>76898708
bait, the post.
>>76898708
wtf is a grimmie and why aren't you in an oven?
>>76903163
Come on now. I live in Idaho, where there is zero, or maybe just a tiny bit, of gun control. I can walk anywhere I like and never be afraid of being jumped. I don't even own a gun, personally. It's just everyone thinks everyone else owns a gun so nobody tries anything. Criminals have been gunned down before, and it sends a real message.
>>76903093
>calling me cuck
the pom who saved trap porn
>>76898708
It didn't save George Harrison from having a few new holes in his body a couple years before his death though.
>>76902771
How does it feel to know that Vermont has some of the most lax gun laws in the country, yet has such a low gun crime rate?
Don't think about it too hard.
https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/tables/table-20/table_20_murder_by_state_types_of_weapons_2013.xls
>>76903195
>Radiohead
Listen to real music, you fucking faggot.
>>76902771
I'm not your wikipedia faggot I'm not even American I'm not here to change your mind but here's one source for both countries.
>http://www.aic.gov.au/dataTools/facts/vicViolentRate.html
Notice how crime rate went up in England (a result of our large migration policies in the late 90s and early Millenials (thanks EU) and then starts to go down as a result.
You'll also notice in Australia they have no change bigger than +/- 0.2 around 1.7 for 6 years after they gun grabbed then when they realise they have too many rapists (literally S.A tier) they do what is actually necessary to SAVE LIVES NOT FEELINGS.
>>76903195
https://m.mic.com/articles/22835/gun-control-facts-detroit-crime-rate-is-the-result-of-gun-control#.8bnUeG725
?????
>>76903345
porn is only "porn" if you find it sexually stimulating, closet homo
>>76903377
Would you fuckin look at that! A 5 second google search has disproven you again! But props for actually posting a citation, as incorrect as it may be.
Yes. Vermont has the highest rate of gun deaths in New England (twice that of Massachusetts). Many of these deaths are suicides (we had the 16th highest suicide rate in the country in 2009 and since then it has risen by 15%), and there is substantial research to show that laws that help keep guns out of the wrong hands can help prevent suicides.
Vermont also has the 16th highest rate of gun trafficking in the nation. This is because our laws are weaker than every other state around us, and as our neighboring states tighten their laws, Vermont will stand out even more as a place where criminals can come and be assured of easy access to weapons. Not only does this bring criminals into our communities, but often the criminals are also trafficking drugs with them, as well. Arrests for drug and gun violations have occurred even in small communities, such as Starksboro and Dorset.
For a list of recent crimes involving firearms: click here: http://gunsensevt.nationbuilder.com/vt_gun_incidents
>>76903303
Alright dude, have fun. More guns is the answer right? Maybe you should give your kid one too.
Idaho sounds like a third world shithole if it's really that arse backwards. It's a sign of a failed state when the people need to take protection into their own hands. Work on fixing that rather than succumbing to African-tier anarchy.
>>76902248
Lewis and Clark had a Girandoni Air Rifle during their expedition, in 1804, a rifle capable of firing 20 rounds on a single air canister without having to reload.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girandoni_air_rifle
This was 14 years after the Constitution was ratified. Many of the founding fathers were still alive, including Thomas Jefferson, who has been shown time and time again to be a huge supporter of the 2nd amendment. To say that the founding fathers never envisioned weapons with something akin to semi-automatic Fire is an outright falsehood.
>>76903606
I like my third world state, mate. Like I said before, I NEVER have to worry about being jumped. I can go literally anywhere. Plus, I pay a lot less in taxes because our police forces are so small. It's fantastic.
>>76903569
t. melbcuck
>>76903606
while guns and drugs are free to cross over the southern border, disarming the population so only the criminals have guns is stupid
NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER
op is full if shit, this is bait thread
>>76903576
And another thing OP, East St. Louis is (currently) the murder capital of the US
http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/top-lists/highest-murder-rate-cities/
Even though Illinois ranks 8th in gun control laws????
http://m.deseretnews.com/top/1428/0/10-states-with-the-strictest-gun-laws.html
>>76903492
In 2011, the U.K. had 0.07 gun homicides for every 100,000 people; the U.S., by contrast, had 3 gun homicides for every 100,000. In 2009 there were 138 gun deaths in the U.K, where there are 6.7 firearms for every 100 people. Your graphic is wrong. This is what pisses me off the most about you gun nuts. You make shit up.
>>76903798
if you're worried about you parents freaking out for seeing or finding a trap on their computer, then you might be too young to be here
>>76898760
>ive been in that store
god i miss vegas
>>76903072
Tensions will be higher, angst and lack of understanding will be amplified.
>>76898708
The UK and Australia have drastically different populations and crime demographics than the United States.
>>76898708
oh mein gott
>>76898708
Shut the fuck up shill. Go back to college in your safe space.
>>76902313
>die ti disarm citizens
Go ahead, first try with police.
>>76898708
Give back guns
>>76902630
No anon thats too much restriction. Youre going way to far with this
>>76898903
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Ann_Maguire
>>76898708
>>76898903
Why do you limit it to UK and Australia?
Why not include France as well? They have gun control too. Or do the recent terrorist attacks just destroy your claim?
Also
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cumbria_shootings
Honestly I don't give a shit about school shootings in broad daylight. It's the price we pay for an acceptable quality of life. There's a reason social services and the police have such a wide purview in the UK.
>>76903974
america has a nigger problem not a gun problem, face facts
>>76903974
Can you explain why it's wrong? Aren't these two graphs about different countries?
>>76898708
1. USA is much bigger than any individual country.
2. USA is the only place that bothers to document every cause-of-death they encounter, regardless if they never find the source.
3. USA is nowhere near the murder capital of the world.
Christina Grimmie died because security at La Plaza was a fucking joke.
>unarmed security guards wearing polo shirts
If the protectors can't even protect, what good are they?
Investigators still haven't released a reason for her being murdered, just ID of the person.
>>76904177
Seems like your the one in a safe space faggot. Don't like hearing facts that prove your wrong eh? Fucking pussy
>>76904369
kekd
>>76902313
those are some nice guns
top one for holding a position
bottom for moving about?
>>76904465
>Christina Grimmie died because security at La Plaza was a fucking joke.
>unarmed security guards wearing polo shirts
Hell, it was her brother how stopped the shooter
>>76903974
You clearly misunderstand my point completely. My graphic is HOMICIDE rates. My point is that HOMICIDES don't go down if your only problem is BAN GUNS. Also we have had NO new GUN BANNING laws between 2009 and 2011. Look at my graphic (general homicides) and yours. Even after VERY strict gun banning laws and a complete ban on hand guns in the UK, shown on my graph, gun crime here went UP for nearly 10 years, plateu'd when we realised it didn't work and started to address the issue with stiffer sentencing and less (but still a lot) of immigration. So tell me, if violent crime, gun crime and general homicides all INCREASE after the UK had severely restricted gun access, how did it work? You accuse me of not posting sources yet you just say
>he UK and Australia have both greatly restricted gun ownership and guess what? It worked!
and leave it there. Ridiculous. Even on your own fucking graphic after nearly 20years since the gun bans, we're at a rate more than half of what it was in 1990, yet the murder rate itself is not. This means that while gun crime finally fell, the same amount of people are dying, the same lives lost, the same toll on society. So tell me faggot without feelings and with an actual source that doesn't prove my own point for me like your graph, how did it work here?
>>76898708
shut up you lying fucking commie
america will never go red
pick your favorite tree and we will get to you soon enough
>>76904574
Cheers, 4K screen on my new laptop and it fucked the resolution when I saved it in a screen cap.
The uk also has more than twice the total number of crimes per 100k than the US. Assault and non-firearm related violent crimes are significantly higher. In the US you are significantly less likely to be pick pocketed or knocked unconscious because the potential perpetrator doesnt know if you have a gun or not.
>>76901960
>Impressed by the Aus
>>76901444
You are absolutely wrong you fucking tard. If they did not intend for it, Why the fuck did they put it there.
Are you calling the founders of one of the greatest nations on earth retards? I think you are.
BTFO
>>76898708
Fuck off shill.
>>76904556
Really makes you think.
>>76904648
My bad family, phone formatting can be shitty
>>76904474
You haven't proven shit. You are just an autistic beta faggot.
>>76898708
pic for tards
>>76904714
I was saying thankyou lad cause my original graph was pixelated and you posted a clearer version of the same graph.
>>76904713
That's kind of misleading. Homicides here are almost entirely drug related. They started falling in the late 90's due to the end of the crack epidemic.
>>76903576
>FBI
>Incorrect
>Gives me a biased, anti-gun website that is just a blob of text with no organization
Take a look at this:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/apr/12/hillary-clinton/look-hillary-clintons-claim-about-vermonts-gun-pip/
Enjoy your shit album and your psychology degree.
>>76898708
>Gun crime is at a 40 year low thanks to democrats and their policies on gun control.
>says this while chicago is still in this reality
nice try fag
>>76898708
School shootings are statistically irrelevant so I don't care
>>76904817
oh, I thought you saved it and it fucked the resolution on your laptop.
>>76904824
Multiple factors in plenty of things, doesn't change the fact that there was no increase or less of a decrease.
I'm glad that proxyfag is telling me how to think.
I'll say this and I'll say it once, you can't ban violence without banning humanity.
Take away guns and it's knives. Take away knives and it's sticks. Take away sticks (lol) and it's fists. And to take that away, they have to take away free will.
Equilibrium was kind of a 1984 ripoff in some ways but I really do believe a govt would force emotion to be illegal under the guise of safety.
It's the same stupid shit that makes the word "nigger" a crime to prevent "racism".
You know it all faggot libs are going to damn the world to a form of slavery the likes of which has never been seen.
The road to Hell is paved with good intentions, and the road to chains is paved with safety regulations.
>>76898760
I have two of those in that pic in my gun safe right now, along with 2000 rounds of ammo for each. Keeping them for when the EBT card meltdown starts and the chimps start chimping
>>76904925
These fucking Democrats are something else.
Absolute morons.
> Crime and homicide is falling
> No correlation between firearm ownership and homicide/suicide
> Hundreds of thousands of defensive gun uses each year
>
> http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/orgs/jlpp/Vol30_No2_KatesMauseronline.pdf
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/no-rise-mass-killings-impact-huge-185700637.html
>
> http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware
>
> http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=18319&page=R1
>
> http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20110209-mexicos-gun-supply-and-90-percent-myth
>
> http://ivn.us/2012/07/23/doj-study-fails-show-1994-assault-weapons-ban-worked/
>
> http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_7_murder_types_of_weapons_used_percent_distribution_by_region_2012.xls
>>76898983
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZrcR3guGG0
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>>76903974
You might have an easier time convincing ppl to come over to your ignorant side if you didn't immediately cut in with insults and redneck insults. Then again, you're a commie pinko faggot leftist, so it's expected of you new age facists
tl;dr you are a gigantic fucking autist and shouldve been aborted
>>76904565
Exactly.
Where were was the security guard standing at the booth protecting her against aggressive fans?
Didn't care enough about his pay check to throw his life away clearly.
>>76898708
Fuck off troll.
I'll still bite though. We need more people with guns on their hip.
That way stupid people think twice when everyone's armed.
>>76898708
>/pol/, I used to think like one of you. I used the same old hat line, "people kill people, not guns." But then when I got to university, I started to read much more and I looked at the facts. The UK and Australia have both greatly restricted gun ownership and guess what? It worked! When was the last time you heard about a shooting in broad daylight or a school massacre out of the UK or Australia? Not since the gun buyback friends.
>killing people is bad
>people need to always be safe
>daddy government needs to hold my hand outside my house
>please rape my ass
>>76901825
based leaf
>>76905024
They think the government has all the answers. And when the socialists take over, all the leftists gays/homos/trans feminists will be murdered all to fucking hell by the millions.
These stupid cucks do not even realize that the Alphas are trying to save them from death, and they fight it like they know wtf they are talking about.
So sad. They cant learn real history because they are in common core ROFL.
>>76901444
We need more than semi automatics to protect ourselves from the weaponized government.
>>76898708
Get out Shill, you are not one of us. It's call the bill of RIGHTS not the bill of NEEDS.
>>76898708
I'm sorry OP, I couldn't hear you over the sound of BANG WORK THE BOLT
If anyone has useful infographics/stats please drop :^)
>>76905645
most of them are already posted, just work through and save the good ones. :^)
>>76900080
who is this semen demon?
>>76900686
too bad its the niggers that commit the most homicides with firearms. fucking cockmonger. before you give any suggestions for my country, white don't you take care of yours before the muzzies overrun your faggot tea drinking ass.
>>76898708
False flag to distract from election fraud in California.
Eat cocks.
>>76905148
Most leftists have low IQ and very poor understanding of normal social dynamics. Trying convince someone of argument while insulting them never works but only harden their hearts.
>>76903606
Armed citizens are safer citizens. That's what separates America from the rest of the world. You fuck with just one citizen, expect to get a good fight in return.
>>76898708
TLDR: OP just had his first year of college and has been enlightened (indoctrinated) by his liberal professors.
Wait a minute wait a minute...
does....
hold on now...
does Op think....
this can't be right....
does op think that...
murders and killings wont happen anymore if there is gun control?
I'll care what England thinks when they start counting rape as violent crime.
Per capita they have more knife attacks than we have guns. I would rather be shot than stabbed.
>>76898708
>uk
>island
>australia
>island
>america
>shares border with one of the most unstable places in the world, with millions of illegal immigrants inside to help with trafficking
>>76903606
Your whole argument makes no fucking sense you autistic faggot.
We have had the best state in the world for nearly 300 years with the guns in our hands. That is what makes us who we are.
So logic says, do the opposite of what makes us great? to become great? When we are currently shit?
Are you a woman?
>>76906027
Shut the fuck up you american stereotype
>>76900686
This desu. Based britbong understands gun control better than most americans
The gunman who shot and killed The Voice star Christina Grimmie has been named as Kevin Loibl, 27.
http://heavy.com/entertainment/2016/06/kevin-james-loibl-christina-grimmie-murder-shooting-suspect-motive-relationship-brother-mark/
>>76898708
>And you're a bernout from reddit who came here after california.
Get fucked m8.
>>76901444
Waste of good trips. A little more than 200 years is hardly ancient.
>>76906800
We ship the guns OUT, what the fuck do you mean in.
His comment about black people is absoultely spot on. Disagreeing with it just because you are a cuck does not make it so.
>>76898753
USA USA USA ISA ISA IS IS IS
This is why nobody ever will take you serious
>>76906990
Go get raped.
>>76905237
I feel bad for /leftypol/ whenever they come here and try to stir shit. They get btfo so hard and then call us a hugbox/circlejerk.
>>76903974
LOL. You already lost the moment you came back faggot. Thought you were going to listen to radiohead? What a colossal faggot.
American gun culture is degenerate, Americans shouldn't have guns,
Swiss people don't have mass shootings every where because they use guns for hobbies and not defense
Ban guns so paranoid fucks can't get them
>>76907514
>most of the gun crime is by nigs and spics
>someone all americans should suffer because these savages live as savages
Shut up kike
>>76898983
Read the rest of it, faggot. Also, while I understand that English is no longer taught in the USA, learn some fucking grammar.
For a bunch of 'college educated" liberals you sure don't know English.
>>76898708
Who was the shooter though?
>tfw I already heard who it was but I want /pol/ to tell me
Oh my god you liberal pussies. The second ammendment was established so that the people would have the means to overthrow a tyrannical government. THAT is what the founders of our nation intended it for. So all you cucks claiming that the second ammendment was made with muskets in mind are full of shit. The US military has fucking cruise missiles. You think we can fight cruise missiles with fucking muskets? You think all the people in america, armed with whatever rifle you wish to ban, could fight off fucking cruise missiles? Regardless of how well regulated a militia may be, there is absolutely no chance that the total supply of arms in the hands of the American people would be enough for a successful rebellion. This is why the answer is, "yes! More guns!"
>>76898708
There's shootings in Australia weekly. What are you on about?
Who was the killer?
Does anybody know?
On another note, how autistic is this kids family? He was fucked from birth it seems
>>76898708
I feel bad for her brother. The poor guy will be haunted by this night for the rest of his life It's a shame he wasn't strong enough to protect his imouto's smile.
>>76898708
Just ignore the dispropotionate amount of other violent attacks in australia
>>76908143
It's more than just other violence tho. There's shootings in melbourne every week. Probably sydney too, but i dont get NSW news where I live.
>>76907975
>I see you are trying to mourn for your loved one but I see you made a typo. Better luck next time pal
>>76907975
>talected
>commets
dafaq?
>>76908294
That's the shooters family
>>76898708
>shooting in america
>news
![from-the-shower-everything-sounds-like-a-home-invasion[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/zwBFmBi.jpg "from-the-shower-everything-sounds-like-a-home-invasion[1].jpg")
If you insist on replying to this retarded bait thread, at least have the decency to sage
Really makes you think, I'm now a #HillBilly
>>76906990
lel no one cares what the two time loser thinks mehmet
>>76906832
jesus christ that hairline at 27... are they sure he isnt 37?
>>76901825
Jesus Christ, OP BTFO
>>76901444
this
burgers are justifying this shit with
>what if I get attacked by gangs in my neighborhood
>what if a bear breaks in my home
the girl who died today has been sacrificied for you idiots to be able to defend yourself from imaginary threats or the 'incoming race war' that only exists in your stupid fantasy world
I dont have anything about USA, but you really dont realize how much your gun problem is hurting people its astonishing.
