So let me get this straight.
EU= more white, European immigrants and less non-EU, mostly non-white immigrants
Leaving the EU= stricter on white immigrants from the EU, but easier entrance for non-EU, brown and black immigrants.
Farage: "More black people" will be allowed in if we vote Leave. (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3630847/More-black-people-allowed-Britain-leave-EU-immigration-non-issue-says-Nigel-Farage.html)
And you cucks want to LEAVE the EU?
Explain this.
>>76862777
Kill yourself.
>>76862777
Put another way I'm saying the EU literally designs an immigration program that is less strict on majority-white countries, and more strict on other countries. How is that not a better system than leaving?
>>76862885
So I guess you and Farage agree that the UK needs more black people
>>76862777
perfectly bad waste of perfectly good trips
I just don't get why pol would prefer farages strategy here
>>76862777
>thinking EU will be white in a few years
>>76862927
Because you can do whatever the fuck you like with immigration after we leave you cunt.
As if leaving the EU means we NEED to fucking open our borders to india or the middle east.
We could fucking leave and still be insane and let everyone from europe in if we wanted.
It's called national sovereignty, you retard.
>>76862777
You hit the nail on the head.
As an overall proportion, UKIP wants to increase the share of Africans and Asians coming to the UK to 90% and limit the immigration of whites to 10% (similar to the world population).
In total, net immigration will not go down by much, because the British economy wants immigration. So let's say 250,000 immigrants will come to the UK net per year in the future, of those 220,000 will be Pakis, Indians, Nigerians, Algerians, Iranians, Bangladeshi etc. and 30,000 will be ethnic Germans, ethnic Fins, ethnic Polish etc.
I am not even kidding, this is LITERALLY what UKIP stands for - an Australian style points system.
>>76862777
white Brits do worse in school that brown and black Brits, why wouldn't they want more black and brown people?
You need to understand that the total numbers could be cut so dramatically that while a larger percentage are non-white, the total number would still be less than what it is now.
Say 50% of the 300 000 are nonwhite, that is 150 000 nonwhites. Cut it to 50 000 a year and it won't matter if they're all nonwhite: it's only a third of what it was before.
BTW, not all commonwealth migrants will be nonwhite. I'm white and a commonwealth citizen, you bastard.
>>76863403
You're way too optimistic when it comes to your leaders.
You really think that once EU migration is reduced they'll just give up? Of course not. They're open borders zealots. If we partially shut the door for EU migrants, they'll just open it that much more for everyone else.
Sure in an ideal world you'd just have total control over your immigration after you leave, but the same open borders people will be in power. And you better believe that they'll replace one labor gap shortage with another.
No more easy access to Poles and Bulgarians? Fuck it, let's bring in some more Arabs and Nigerians!
>>76863510
Exactly. The labor needs don't change. The business pressures for immigration don't go away.
All that changes is that immigration reflects the world's population instead of the continent's, which means less whites.
You articulated my point perfectly.
>>76863878
>You need to understand that the total numbers could be cut so dramatically that while a larger percentage are non-white, the total number would still be less than what it is now.
That is impossible. The British companies want immigration. The NHS is crumbling and there isn't enough money to train doctors and nurses etc. among British people - so they are imported from India and Bangladesh and Pakistan... and Eastern Europe.
If you limit immigration from the EU, you have to increase immigration from the rest of the world in order to satisfy the capitalist elites.
Look at Australia, this is how the Australian points system works.
>>76862885
No, he's right. Brexit won't suffice to uncuck you. I think that aside from the swedes you are the most politically correct on the continent.
The Australian points system means Australia now has more immigration per capita than the UK, and more non-white immigration than it had before. The fact that Farage and co use it as an example is laughable.
>>76864110
>The British companies want immigration.
Yeah, and a lot of the citizenry doesn't, even nonwhite citizens. Farage's goal is to get the total to sub-50 000. While it may not happen with a Brexit, it is guaranteed not to happen if they're in the EU. You're trading a possibility for a certainty here.
>>76862777
The EU isn't going to be white for much longer, especially if Turkey joins, and when the EU parliament gets even more power they'll push for more open borders in Europe and in EU member states regardless of public opinion.
>>76864577
>Farage's goal is to get the total to sub-50 000.
UKIP will be completely irrelevant on June 24 if the vote was for leaving. And both Labour and the Tories love immigration. Net immigration will not fall below 200k except if there is a severe recession post Brexit.
>>76864910
>The EU isn't going to be white for much longer,
Eastern Europe, the main source of migration to the UK, is 99% white and is supposed to remain 99% white in the long term.
>>76862777
Brexit has nothing to do with muh immigration. It's just a bunch of butthurt faggots who are mad about the EU's trade restrictions.
>>76865023
>UKIP accomplishing it's goal means that Farage and Nationalism cease to exist
One step at a time.
You people are so fatalistic and impatient.
>>76862777
No. What it really means is, leave EU tell all the foreign cunts they can't come in and start shipping out the dirty crim bastard ones that we couldn't get rid of before because the EU courts stopped us.
>>76865445
What number net migration is Boris proposing, I've only heard from Nigel.
>>76862777
Euro economies will start to tank harder once the union breaks down. The solution is even more migrants.
At this point it should be apparent that the migrants are only a symptom of a larger problem. The kikes are pushing immigration because they want to boost the economies.
No one can save the European populations except ourselves. Breaking up the union will make the problems worse. Unfortunately we're living in an unsustainable world, at least for us.
>>76865212
>The main source of UK migration
For now perhaps, but what if Turkey joins? Or if the scum your government invited get EU passports? Or Brussels decides to enrich us further?
>>76862777
KEK, yes YES!! Good goyim! Leave the EU! Deport all whites (balts, poles etc.) back and import more PAKIS, SOMALIS and other scum.
>>76865315
I said on June 24 UKIP will be irrelevant, I did not say anything about long term.
Actually, I assume at least 1 million EU citizens will try to come to the UK before the 2 year OUT negotiation is done to avoid being shut out. That is 20 years of Farage's limit in 2 years...
>>76866010
You could use some more Latvians senpai
I'm getting worried about you.
>>76866010
> t. underage butthurt belter who planned on becoming a British welfare recipient when he grows up
>>76866010
>KEK, yes YES!! Good goyim! Leave the EU! Deport all whites (balts, poles etc.) back and import more PAKIS, SOMALIS and other scum.
/thread/
someone gets what's going on.
>>76865829
>For now perhaps, but what if Turkey joins?
Please, stop with the Turkey meme.
>>76865829
>Or if the scum your government invited get EU passports?
We got 2.8 million Turks and Kurds already, none of them leave to go to the UK.
>>76865829
>Or Brussels decides to enrich us further?
What do you mean with 'further'. You are not part of any Brussel refugee schemes. We are.
>>76862777
OP all Brits are currently busy watching England vs Russia in Euro 2016
If you want replies to your shitty thread I suggest you wait 2 hours :^)
>>76862777
>'very difficult' for skilled migrants from India and Africa to come to the country
>he's not a cuck he's just pandering to the normies!11
such denial.
>>76866021
I assume that UKIP could become relevant as a grassroots pressure group during the 2 year transition period, so that the government doesn't just do a half Brexit or some shit and say that they respected the referendum result.
Or, if new elections are held in the wake of the referendum, they could become coalition partners of the Conservatives with a government led by Boris. Idk if new elections or a UKIP/Conservative coalition is even in the cards though.
>>76863510
I don't think you know what a points based system is...
I know Muti might tell you that you get more points the more Arabs that rape your wife and daughters, but that's not what it means to the rest of the world
>>76862777
Just because there aren't are free travel plans outside of the EU no doesn't mean they can't be made.
This is the dumbest shit.
The main benefit is that the EU won't be able to DEMAND that the UK take 300,000 shitskin "refugees" and will instead be able to make the choice itself.
>>76866021
>That is 20 years of Farage's limit in 2 years...
Wew, lad. Small price to pay for an indefinite period of sovereignty thereafter.
Also, are not the EU citizens mostly white? The most assimilable of the groups?
>>76866174
Nah m8. Just graduated university (Transport Electronics and Telematics). Life's pretty comfy, desu. And about welfare - people from Baltics actually work in UK and they couldn't care less about that recent Cameron agreement with EU.
>>76866352
>The main benefit is that the EU won't be able to DEMAND that the UK take 300,000 shitskin "refugees" and will instead be able to make the choice itself.
It goes both ways.
>>76862777
>be brit
>see your country turn to shit
>"oh noes, I need me a scapegoat"
>blame the EU for everything
>leave the EU
>UK continues in a downward spiral
>UK even more shit than before
What or who are they going to blame then, I wonder...
>>76862777
>It's a foreigners selectively quote like faggots thread again
>>76866155
Our russians actually integrate and learn language. I'm more worried about your russians though.
>>76862777
How many times do I have to explain to you morons
It's a lie
>UK currently has 333,000 (net) immigration each year
>Outside of the EU immigration is 180,000 (net) last year
>UKIP and Farage wants to get the number of total immigration down to tens of thousands
He uses this line to get BME votes for brexit, but if Brexit happens, and Farage gets his way, there will be much less BME immigration as well
>>76866692
>Our russians actually integrate and learn language.
Taqqiya
They are all soldiers for the motherland - from the kindergarten up. Watch your ass.
>>76866542
No it fucking doesn't you retard.
Immigration is a one way process and only one entity should have control over it. The people on the inside.
The EU can implement suicidal immigration policies to spite the UK (seems like that's been their plan all along anyway) but int he end, the UK will benefit far more form leaving.
Do you really think Farage wants more muslims and Indians, he has a German wife for fucks sake
He uses it to call the people who oppose him racist, it's bloody genius
>>76866405
>Wew, lad. Small price to pay for an indefinite period of sovereignty thereafter.
What sovereignty? What do you think is going to happen in BRitain? Do you seriously believe ANYTHING will change? That suddenly more houses will be available? That London will be cheaper? That Pakis and Indians will disappear? That there will be no more red tape for businesses? That suddenly taxes will go down? And that the NHS will work better?
Seriously, folks, I somehow doubt people even have a brain. You people think like our German women... you are all in LALA land.
Don't forget that the UK has opened it's doors to the EU
Whilst Merkel has opened EU doors to the whole of Middle East and Africa
>>76866536
>Nah m8. Just graduated university (Transport Electronics and Telematics). Life's pretty comfy, desu. And about welfare - people from Baltics actually work in UK and they couldn't care less about that recent Cameron agreement with EU.
You can come to Germany, m8. We need whites who are educated. Our problem is with the non-white Muslims who come here illegally.
>>76866692
>>76866824
hey guys, look at these two imbiciles
>>76866894
UK tells the EU to fuck off in one regard
EU tells the UK to fuck off in another regard
Basic conflict situation. But I would be lying if I said we have a solution. Maybe choosing to fuck everything up is a destroy and rebuild option. But honestly the whites of Europe have had enough of "destroy" while the niggers and arabs keep breeding like rabbits (nowadays with Europe's money).
>>76866350
>I don't think you know what a points based system is...
I don't think you have read up on Australia, have you. You cannot give someone points for being "white" or "Christian" - due to UK legislation.
Let's say there is a dude from the Baltics with a university degree, but there are 10 Pakis and Indians with similar degrees, guess what, it ends up 10 times more likely that a Paki or Indian gets in due to the points based system.
>>76866329
>OP all Brits are currently busy watching England vs Russia in Euro 2016
England plays pretty shitty. That is one boring game to watch.
>>76866968
Taking down a suicidal globalist cancer would be a good start. Brexit is no panacea but to defend the EUSSR in this day and age is fucking delusional.
>>76864475
>The Australian points system means Australia now has more immigration per capita than the UK, and more non-white immigration than it had before.
That's because the Aussies want more immigration, they have a country the size of a continent to fill
The point is they have control over it
>>76866968
>Nirvana fallacy this hard
Also:
>Do you seriously believe ANYTHING will change?
Yes, and obviously you do too, otherwise you wouldn't care.
>>76867305
We're mediocre sure, but still better than Ruskies
>>76867191
>UK tells the EU to fuck off in one regard
>EU tells the UK to fuck off in another regard
And the EU needs the UK far more than the UK needs the EU.
The EU is a net negative on the UK and the UK is a massive consumer base with some of the best schools and workers in the EU.
That's why I said the EU can implement SUICIDAL policies if it want to but the UK will be just fine by itself. There are plenty of other countries on earth who are spiteful dictators with their head int he clouds.
The EU is already on its way out (and it's far from the first of these retarded alliances to do so) Just let it die to global trade can work like it's supposed to.
>>76863251
read my posts to understand
>>76867473
>We're mediocre sure, but still better than Ruskies
0:0 means you are just as bad.
>>76866010
> Polish
> white
pick one
>>76867418
>Yes, and obviously you do too, otherwise you wouldn't care.
I care for 3 reasons: 1. I am interested in politics, 2. a pro-Brexit vote would affect me personally - probably in a positive matter and 3. I want the EU to reform and both an IN and an OUT vote would have to lead to reform.
Anyway, I very much doubt that any of the UK's problems will get better post Brexit. I seriously doubt it. Not to mention that I doubt that the UK would even introduce effective restrictions to EU citizen immigration, just because British companies will shill hard for a system similar to Norway or Switzerland.
>>76867856
Can you explain to me why I should pick between Polish and white?
My ex-gf is Polish (she is a model) and I am pretty sure she is white.
>>76862777
Its a bullshit move to get the minority vote to Brexit... It's working...
If we get any more nig nogs over the border once Brexit, we're literally going to burn this shit down senpai...
>ukip is a leftists party in disguise
can't make this shit up
>>76862777
IT'S FOR THE BANTER https://youtu.be/hdzsTq-EkUs
>>76864268
>continent
french """"""""""""education""""""""""""
>>76867540
There has always been a race between world powers to have the biggest influence and the strongest economy. It's essentially what we live for. Now it's on a global scale and the stakes are so high that even you're suffering.
UK by itself is nothing. There is no real growth or innovation there or in Europe. They still make decent money off the industries that were mostly established last century, but even that is dying due to global competition. There are no relevant technology companies in Europe. If things keep going the way they are right now, all we will have left is our fucking old towns to show to rich Chinese man.
Europe right now is like the bigger, retarded brother of Japan. This Brexit or Hofer win or other bullshit doesn't mean shit. Europe will still be on its way out on the global scale, because of the mentality of the people. There is no culture left. Maybe the European people do need a stronger sense of community to come up with something great. But that won't change the demographics or make the populations grow.
>>76863919
And you don't have so much optimism for EU leaders?
>>76868832
> projecting this hard
you cleearly have no idea about the many innovative companies in the eu.
>>76866566
Our government you fuck.
>>76862777
Small doses. Once he's got the Indian/Pakistani vote and the Brexit succeeds he can go on reforming the rest. You're an idiot if you think that someone who is anti-immigration on the basis of 'they don't fucking integrate' is going to just let in Africans and South Asians willy nilly.
>>76868832
>Europe right now is like the bigger, retarded brother of Japan.
>This Brexit or Hofer win or other bullshit doesn't mean shit.
>Europe will still be on its way out on the global scale
Defeatist. You've already given up, so your opinion doesn't matter.
I haven't given up, so my opinion counts.
Vote Leave!
I love the 18-34 demographic in the UK. 65% state they are going to vote remain. Sweet irony that the demographic with that most to lose, it actually wholesale buying into the horseshit being peddled to them.
People living in mom's house should be automatically disqualify from voting.
They share history with the rest of Comonwelth, they share shit with Poles.
>>76869333
Trips
>leaving the EU is solely based on immigration issues and brown people
this is quite literally the worst meme
>>76869444
Double trips.
>>76866968
calm down hans.
is it me or are germans starting to get worried...?
Stiff upper lip lads.
NIGE GOT THIS...!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tW0QqiT2LU
>>76868110
I don't know what Germans amount to, but Slavs sure a s hell aren't the best among whites.
>>76867856
are u trying to be shitposting god
leave that to aussies kurwa
>>76862777
>$0.50 has been deposited in your bank account by A. Merkel
>>76869079
Europe doesn't have much on the current financial and creative hubs of world. Maybe only London, but even that is powered by shitskins.
In current Europe it's a miracle to have a family or start a genuinely meaningful business. I'm not talking about just Estonia, it's really the same everywhere. The current Europe isn't a sustainable project. The shitskins will find their way in one way or another.
>>76869333
I'm not a defeatist, I think it's just something that the Europeans reading this should think about. If some retarded populist party wins your national elections or says some outrageous shit, it won't really mean shit for Europe. Their big talk won't change the European economy and the laws of nature themselves will make them fall in line with the insane policies we're seeing right now. And yes, there is a severe lack of freedom in Europe, but it has unfortunately always been this way.
>>76868832
>UK by itself is nothing.
Lolno
Someone's been eating too much EU propoganda.
The UK is the 5th largest economy on earth right behind germoney. If the EU cuts them off germany will have a much larger negative impact because germany's entire car industry relies on the UK market. All of the UK's business can be done elsewhere.
>>76862777
>EU= more white, European immigrants
No.
EU = more tanned germans and dark french men
Independent = Stricter on ALL immigrants
>>76869734
It's essentially an "Europe suffers" situation. What you completely ignore is future trends.
Where would the UK be without the HORDES of immigrants they have taken in? Where are they going to be if their population growth isn't big enough to sustain their economy?
What happens to PIIGS or other European countries who like to spend if there isn't big Germoney to bail everyone out? There's going to be major instability in Europe if everyone thinks they're too good for everyone else. Have you been to Greece? We'll see much more of that.
I just tried red pilling a couple of people on why mass immigration is bad and they both told me there done talking to me. kek
>>76862777
With 12 days to go, here are the 2 strategies:
Remain: Claim that Boris Johnson wants to be PM
Leave: Focus on immigration, migration, demographics, and home ownership
Vote Leave
>>76870193
>could convince his friends with logic
Next time, try lying instead. Tell your friend:
"Look, no one wants to stay in Europe more than me. But my best chance of ever owning a home is to Vote Leave. Once we figure out the housing issue, then we can open up migration again if that's what people want."
Lie through your teeth. You just need to plant a small seed of doubt in their minds.
>>76870548
If you were a brit m8 i'd believe you.
>>76867881
>I doubt
CALL IT OFF LADS...!!
HANS HAS DOUBTS....
>>76870088
My God, you people are so materialistic.
The economy is not some God that needs to be appeased lest it smite us. What happens without migration is our current model is not sustainable, and total population will go down, of course. However, Europe has already seen mass depopulation before and it survived. Hell, it even created a middle class.
Besides purely material concerns, there is the concern of culture and social intercourse, which is quickly becoming more and more depraved and degenerate. There are those who would rather take the instability and risk of finding a different model than the certainty of total cultural erasure.
Would Europe be poorer? Yes, but it would still be fucking Europe.
>>76862777
Eu will be caliphate in 2043 mate
>>76868110
>>76865672
No...Here's the situation...
If you stay in the EU (on the long run) , your country will become a gigantic african/arab 3rd world shithole.
Why ? Because EU member countries have no sovereignty and are force to let their borders open to EU countries. (I.e. Schengen agreement)...
IF you leave...Reagdless if the immigration problem worsens....You'll have full sovereignty. Meaning that you can close your borders or better yet ; change your laws to discriminate whoever the fuck you want.( banning certain types of people from having a job or social benefits). And of course , no need to accept "quotas" of rapefugees either...
As of now , the EU is counting on FRONTEX (European border management in line with the EU fundamental rights )...And they're doing a terrible job at it...
Staying in the EU is a timebomb...Leaving it will at least enable your leaders to pick who enters or not. (Let's say France , UK , Germany etc...Become 90%African)....Estonia won't have to deal with african neighbors and will remain "estonian/white".
If Estonia is part of the EU , it'll be forced to accept unlimited african neighbors (since they'll be coming from neighbor "former" white nations who are still part of the EU).
The EU is a federalist entity. In other words , the end game is to destroy nation states....(and destroy identities etc..)...That's the EU's end goal.
>>76870775
Of course you don't have to be SO materialistic when you live in complete isolation next to the most powerful country in the world. The others have to participate in the race, whether we want it or not. In the global world, there is no option for Europe to be some sort of idealistic autarky that's disconnected from the rest. You conquer or get conquered.
It doesn't really matter what we would like to believe in. At the end of the day, our problems have always started and ended at the same place. The shitskins are there because of that and they won't go away or shrink in numbers unless we find away to sustain growth and innovation on our own.
>>76870672
>If you were a brit m8 i'd believe you.
I'm a life-long Anglophile m8. I'd buy you pint any day.
Vote Leave
>>76870088
Who gives a fuck what happens to europe. The UK only needs to worry about the UK. That's the entire fucking point of sovereignty.
>>Where would the UK be without the HORDES of immigrants they have taken in?
You can not be fucking serious.
They, like every other country int he EU, is paying dearly in both quality of living and taxes to support the migrant hordes. That's literally the entire fucking reason this referendum is taking place right now.
>Where are they going to be if their population growth isn't big enough to sustain their economy?
If their economy boom then the have kids if it's in a slump they don't. THAT'S HOW THIS SHIT WORKS.
Having millions of muslims having 7 kids on minimum wages jobs is not a successful economy you dolt.
>What happens to PIIGS or other European countries who like to spend if there isn't big Germoney to bail everyone out?
A-...are you legitimately retarded?
If they don't have someone to bail them out...
THEY
DON'T
FUCKING
BUY
STUPID
SHIT
The whole reason greece is fucked is because they knew they wouldn't face their own stupid decisions by themselves. They knew they could just use the system to pay their debts and that's exactly what they did. They spent all kinds of money on shit they didn't need then dragged the whole EU down with them.
You are seriously one of the dumbest people I've ever met on /pol/ and that's really REALLY saying something.
>>76870756
>CALL IT OFF LADS...!!
>HANS HAS DOUBTS....
I said, "I very much doubt", that is more than just doubts.
The UK won't be getting anything from a Brexit, seriously nothing. Not because it isn't possible to flourish outside the EU, but because the Tories and Labour will run the country.
>>76871413
>Meaning that you can close your borders or better yet ; change your laws to discriminate whoever the fuck you want.( banning certain types of people from having a job or social benefits).
You have been bringing in immigrants WAY before the EU started forcing any quotas on its members. Even 15 years ago you had all kinds of apes chimping out on your streets before the rest of Europe was barely dealing with that problem.
It's time for you to admit that the immigrants have always been used to sustain economic growth and keep everyone happy and well fed.
And why do you think if you leave the EU it will be YOU who does the choosing and not the women or the fifth column you have imported? I mean, EU or not, you plan to remain a democracy right? Just because you leave the EU doesn't mean things will start going your way. The whole point of this thread is to show it could be the opposite.
The EU and immigrants aren't the real problem. They are symptoms for something bigger and more dangerous (not the Jews).
>>76867856
Hey James, did a whore tell you to fuck off?
>>76871610
Honey, we're getting enriched faster than the UK is. We take in roughly the same number of migrants, but we have just over half the population
The point is to reject the "race", and I don't advocate autarky. I advocate for local control, autonomy, and an end to mass migration.
There would still be trade between countries, just not under the control massive supra-national organizations who value greater efficiency at any cost to culture and self-determination.
In the end, what I advocate is what we need to do anyway, as infinite growth is impossible, so we can fix it now and control the landing, or push it to a breaking point and have complete uncontrolled free-fall which will be worse than dealing with it now.
I would also like to point out that the end of this system is not centuries away, it is decades away. We have not fixed the 2007 financial crises. We have only implemented a patchwork system to halt immediate regression, and every quarter our financial tools become less effective. Even migrants are becoming a net loss. The growth we have seen cannot and will not continue. Sorry you missed out on it. For now, we must turn our attention to stabilizing the descent.
>>76872003
>Who gives a fuck what happens to europe. The UK only needs to worry about the UK. That's the entire fucking point of sovereignty.
Your understanding of European economy must be pretty limited. The domino effect here is serious. UK can't self-sustain (or even worse, deal with EU sanctions of some sort).
>If their economy boom then the have kids if it's in a slump they don't. THAT'S HOW THIS SHIT WORKS.
Having millions of muslims having 7 kids on minimum wages jobs is not a successful economy you dolt.
Remind me again why you have all those Mexicans in your country. Practice what you preach.
>a paragraph of foaming
Europe has been historically been THE place for nationalism. Remind me again how that worked out? Oh yeah, countries were pressuring each other ALL the time and they were in war ALL the time. Let's say we let European countries fall by themselves, they will be bought up by Indians, Pakistanis, Mexicans, Chinese. Again, buying up land should be a familiar concept to Americans. Do you want that scenario to happen to Europe? Looks like you do.
I swear that some people completely lack the ability to look further than 2 months in the future. You hear this politician saying whatever and then you're like YEAH YEAH FUCK YEAH THIS GUY WILL GUIDE US TO VICTORY. And then he does the same shit as everyone else if not worse. If you vote for circus, you will get circus.
>>76872697
>The growth we have seen cannot and will not continue.
And that's the whole point. I do understand how bringing in migrants will stop working at one point and turn these countries third world tier.
As I said, the problem is deeper than the migrants or the union. Even if the union goes, the problems will stay and the bullshit won't end. It's happening because the competition is growing too strong and they're trying to do anything to keep up, but it's not enough.
>>76872988
>. UK can't self-sustain (or even worse, deal with EU sanctions of some sort).
Bullshit.
The UK is a global economic powerhouse (again, ranked number 5) Even if the entirety of mainland Europe was nuked into oblivion the UK could survive by dealing with china and the US alone.
>Remind me again why you have all those Mexicans in your country. Practice what you preach.
We're working on getting rid of them while you shit your diaper and cry about how it always was and always will be.
>disregarding half a post because you don't have an argument.
So not only are you retarded but you won't even attempt to defend your retardation.
And no, I'm not going to respond to your attempt at glossing over to the next subject. Respond to what I said or quit responding.
>>76868614
What?
>>76873294
I know. However, exiting the union, and causing it's demise is a good first step, as reformation might as well be impossible. The EU will never give up on this, not until the bitter end. I don't want my ancestral homeland to be in the car when it's driven of the cliff.
The union is only one part of the problem, yes, but it is a major part. We chip away at this bit by bit, not all at once.
>>76873894
off* the cliff.
>>76862777
Leave voters are all gullible cucks, who have been conned by multi-culti faggots who get triggered by devoutly Catholic Poles ruining their Multicultural Cities Free of Hate™, into honestly believing the Empire will spring into existence again after Brexit, all brown people will disappear from these hallowed lands and Her Majesty will be named Empress of the Moon by 2050.
You can identify them by their cries of 'Commonwealth Trade!' indicating their niave belief that Canada and Australia will give us favourable trade rights akin to the days of empire, at the expense of the USA and China respectively, and that these trade deals will be vastly superior to the free trade deals we've spent 30 years negotiating with the EU for or by the declaration that Brexit will restore some vaguely defined 'sovereignty and we'll be 'Taking Back Control of Our Borders' which is exhibiting the most ludicrous of the beliefs they've been brainwashed into believing; that post-Brexit, net immigration will magically disappear, despite there being 0 (zero) parties in the UK with that as an actual policy, in fact the four biggest in terms of support, Conservatives, Labour, SNP and UKIP, all have policies of continuing to allow immigration. Which will, post-Brexit, come almost exclusively from """""""""""Asian"""""""""" or African countries.
It'll be pretty sad to watch if they actually succeed in this self-destruction really but I guess they'll just have to lay in the bed they're determined to make. I don't live in a major city so I'll at least have some time to seek citizenship in another Anglo country in the event of Brexit, before things really go to shit.
tl;dr Brexit is for """"nationalists"""" who are totally non-racist, they just love their country and believe all human subspecies are equal and have a place in British life. Anyone who wants Whites to actually have a chance of not being swept out of their homelands is sticking with the EU, despite it's many, many flaws.
>>76873317
You probably even have no idea how the PIIGS situation came about. You must think it was 5 countries that fucked up on their own because they were spending big, but it wasn't. Greece alone was thought to be big enough to bring down the eurozone, but everyone already forgot about that. The panic spread through the markets as European creditors saw the money they invested in those countries vanish into thin air.
The European markets are connected and they should be. If you start tampering with the markets and making "power plays", everyone will get screwed, it's a fact of life here. Even the "based" countries who opted out of the eurozone, but were completely dependent on it anyway. You can remove all the glamorous EU labels and associations from current Europe and you will still realize these are neighboring countries that WILL trade with each other in one form or another. To deny that is African tier thinking.
By the way, good luck getting rid of the Mexicans and enjoy your job in the chemical factory in the outskirts of your city. Oh you think you're too good for that? Then maybe your son can have it. You're no better than the boomers.
>>76873894
I don't think breaking the union will fix anything. Down the line, people will still realize the rest of the world is leaving us in the dirt, they will be discontent and start demanding more money and change and we will be back in square one. Also those migrants definitely aren't going anywhere unless someone is elected to "do the job" again.
>>76862777
Nope.
EU = more gypsies and slavs escaping failed economic policies leading to declining living standards, rising crime and falling wages; 90 million Turks migrating to Britain.
Leaving EU = more Chinese accountants and Indian doctors; less Romanians, less crime and less Muslims.
If you need it broken down further, have your mammy translate it into ebonics and perform it as a rap, you fucking nigger-loving cuckold.
>>76862777
>Leaving the EU= stricter on white immigrants from the EU, but easier entrance for non-EU, brown and black immigrants.
Hahahaha wew lad. Congrats you fell for the meme...
>>76865672
The economy WILL TANK regardless if you stay or not. The EU will not last forever , federalism will never work in europe , we're not america , centralisation can't work. It hasn't worked for the soviet union and will certainly not work with the EU. We have different cultures , different tongues , different history...We may be european brothers/cousins but that's it.
America was a different context. They all speak the same language , all were already immigrants themselves (invadors , from native indian's perspective)...
Stayin in the EU means no more Estonia. (on the long run)...It means no nation , and say bye bye to your people. There will be no "estonians" once the EU machine forces you guys to take hordes of non-european 3rd world invadors.
Make no mistake...The EU will tank. regardless of the "brexit" or not. It will tank because the Euro currency is not an economic , logical currency but a political currency.
More countries will need a bailout...Greece is nothing...Next , you can count on Spain , Italy , and yes....FRANCE (even my country)...We all have huge debts...it's a timebomb.
You truely don't understand my friend..
>>76874911
>Vietnamese
Whaaaat???
>>76864268
>Germans take 1 million refugees in a year
>UK pledge to take 20000 in Five years
Germany are worse senpai. Be honest
>>76874584
>You can remove all the glamorous EU labels and associations from current Europe and you will still realize these are neighboring countries that WILL trade with each other in one form or another. To deny that is African tier thinking.
Thanks for making my argument against the EU for me you fucking dunce.
>>76874584
>By the way, good luck getting rid of the Mexicans
Our agriculture is already being heavily automated. Getting rid of mexicans will make life so much better. I can't wait.
> enjoy your job in the chemical factory in the outskirts of your city.
At first I was baffled by what you were trying to say here but then I realized you probably rely on the EU for your zonign laws which is both hilarious and pathetic. No, my town is a white paradise with no major industry within several miles. Luckily I also live right next to one of the most important interstate in the country so work is still easy to find. It's nice having zoning laws adjusted to my local community instead of an entire fucking continent.
Damn it's good to be free.
>Oh you think you're too good for that?
Too good for what you incoherent retard?
>Then maybe your son can have it. You're no better than the boomers.
????
and enjoy your job in the chemical factory in the outskirts of your city
>>76867242
>Let's say there is a dude from the Baltics with a university degree, but there are 10 Pakis and Indians with similar degrees, guess what, it ends up 10 times more likely that a Paki or Indian gets in due to the points based system.
If their setup awards such people more points, then yeah.
If it doesn't, then it doesn't.
It's not that complex. Really it isn't.
>>76874761
>I don't think breaking the union will fix anything.
Not by itself, no. It is a necessary, not a sufficient condition.
>Down the line, people will still realize the rest of the world is leaving us in the dirt, they will be discontent and start demanding more money and change and we will be back in square one.
Which part of the world? The story is the same everywhere, except in those regions dependent on Western money. Even China faces the same issue. Some regions may catch up, but there will be no great leap beyond the West.
The issue of discontent is real one though, I admit.
As far as migrants, we saw during the 2007 crisis, a net outflow of Mexicans from the US. I believe some similar phenomena will occur in Europe. And given a great number of the migrants are very much welfare shopping, a cut in benefits will stem and may reverse migration. Not to mention the is growing resentment of migrants for cultural reasons, which may in fact result in someone "doing the job".
>>76875701
Yuro BTFO
I'd rather be the 51st state than remain in the EU.
Much rather be an independent nation in the mid Atlantic tho
>>76875472
>The economy WILL TANK regardless if you stay or not. The EU will not last forever , federalism will never work in europe , we're not america , centralisation can't work. It hasn't worked for the soviet union and will certainly not work with the EU. We have different cultures , different tongues , different history...We may be european brothers/cousins but that's it.
I agree with this. There is no way Europe can be a country, you can't lump in different countries and cultures together like that. And yes, we do know from our own experience how it feels to be pushed into a union where you don't want to be and have population experiments conducted on your nation.
But on the other hand I would like to see the economic union remain. It should remain. It started out well, right? There was a long time of co-operation, peace and prosperity like never before. No one was forced to do anything unlike what we see now. The overdrive shit that has happened in the last few decades is truly a shame. It's a result of some retard who was feeling too comfortable to do his job properly.
>>76876092
>there* is growing
>>76866723
^this
>>76867389
no way he said that
>>76862777
Good post Ameribro.
Americans are always the voice of reason on /pol/
Once these inbred retards leave they will be even less relevant than they are now
>inb4 >slovenia>relevant
Well as the European Union, we will be more relevant than you mongoloids and your reptile queen.
>>76862777
While the immigrants from the EU are primarily white now, they won't be forever. The ``refugee''s will eventually get citizenship, and Turkey is probably going to be fast tracked in the next decade. There's only so many Poles who actually want to come here. The UK might eventually be forced to join the Schengen area and who knows how many third worlders the EU are going to allow illegal entry to?
At this juncture, we have two options:
- keep allowing in hundreds of thousands who put strain on the country and leave us vulnerable to a highly likely worsening of the situation
- reduce immigration by hundreds of thousands and gain sovereign control of the issue for another day
This is a choice between regaining control or possibly losing it forever. A temporary worsening of the situation is worth it.
There is no way to vote for majority white immigration at this time.
>>76872003
i keked
>>76862777
Many people in England don't consider themselves European and immensely dislike Europeans. Not all of course, but if you are a Pole in England(especially southern parts) it is easy to encounter racism, that for example a Commonwealth citizen from Jamaica will never encounter.
>>76867540
>And the EU needs the UK far more than the UK needs the EU.
UK exports to EU are 45%, EU exports to UK are 16%.
UK is dependent on EU, not vice versa.
>>76872988
>Remind me again why you have all those Mexicans in your country. Practice what you preach.
They're causing more harm than good and they've been walking into this country illegally for decades. They're like the refugees except a lot of them are chill, hardworking and have morality. Wouldn't be so bad if they weren't already criminals. The illegals need to go. Yeah our economy would suffer a bit, but leaving these beaners who suck off our government in our country is not an option. We waste so much fucking money on these assholes and were already in a mess of debt.
>>76877300
>EU regulated trade is baised in the EU's favor
HOLY SHIT STOP THE FUCKING PRESSES
The UK BY ITSELF will not be dependent on the EU.
I bet you even thought "HAHA gottem" before you posted that.
>>76877300
Fucking idiot. ITS EU REGULATION DUMBASS. THEY ARE REQUIRED TO PAY INTO THE EU AND CANT MAKE THEIR OWN TRADE DEALS AS A COUNTRY. They're slaves to the EU
>>76877513
If UK leaves EU it will mean they will be the weaker partner in any talks.
Half of their export depends on EU, and without their economy will crumble.
>>76862777
Farage is pandering to liberals. He wants to slash immigration completely and leaving the EU will allow us to do so.
>>76877834
>If UK leaves EU it will mean they will be the weaker partner in any talks.
Only if the EU is petty as fuck to the point where they implement suicidal policies to spite the UK.
>Half of their export depends on EU, and without their economy will crumble.
UNDER
EU
REGULATIONS
Without EU regulations you won't have to import all of your fish, in fact you will EXPORT because your fishing industry will be allowed to thrive again.
Without EU regulation you won't have to chagre retarded tariffs to do business with the US and china.
Without the EU you won't have to accept shitty deal just because they come from someone nearby.
That's just a few of the glaring examples of how the EU is holding you back.
I should have to be telling you this from 4000 miles away. Do you fucking homework britbong.
>>76862777
>stay in EU
>Turkey joins EU after blackmailing three billion euros with the threat of more rapefugees
>Turks can now move freely and invade
no thanks senpai
>>76867389
Who's this retard?
>>76878473
Oh you don't know?
He's your unelected leader of the EU parliament.
>>76877834
If a market makes itself non-economically viable, then another market can take its place.
If a trade deal with Japan is better than one with Germany, then we'll get more Japanese cars on our streets.
If we were a poor nation, then it might be a concern, but we are not. The whole world will compete to sell to us.
>>76877936
His personal preference is immigration to meet actual demand with a bias towards Commonwealth countries. We have a surplus of unskilled labour currently, so most immigration would be specialised.
An Indian doctor isn't exactly a Middle Eastern rapefugee.
>>76878231
>Without EU regulation you won't have to chagre retarded tariffs to do business with the US and china.
And without EU regulations you just lost your whole 45% of exports.
Good luck to your economy.
>>76878855
>The whole world will compete to sell to us
Yes, yes Nigel, England of 50mln people is the epicentre of the whole world and Queen will become Empress of the Moon in 2050!
>>76862777
So let me get this straight, The UN is literally breeding niggers in feeding camps throughout Africa and the ME and creating the migration 'crisis' for Europe, but the Brits don't want to be part of it.
>>76879381
Are you just being dense on purpose now?
>>76879490
5th largest economy int he world you self hating fuck.
alright lads
I see this trending topic on normiebook:
Ipsos MORI: 25 Percent of UK Voters Believe Leaving EU Would Decrease Living Standards, Poll Shows
So I think to myself, does that mean the majority think it will be the same or better? why isn't that the headline? is this another case of ((( ))) and their tricks?
I look the poll up myself to find out and this is genuinely the header: Two thirds of Britons think their standard of living won’t be affected by Brexit
>https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/3740/Two-thirds-of-Britons-think-their-standard-of-living-wont-be-affected-by-Brexit.aspx
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>>76878855
I would sell to England before any one else just because you grew balls and took your rightful place among free men. Leave that cursed alliance.
>>76879605
>4% of remain voters think their quality of life will improve is they leave
What.
>>76879381
Does this include the produce we have to sell to the EU so we can buy back the same thing from another country at a higher rate?
>>76880048
The quality of life may decrease dramatically for them, but at least their wife's boyfriend will be happy.
>>76877834
>Oh lawd, the UK with wither and die if it's not sucking on the EU teat!
The reality is that the UK is the largest monetary contributor to the to the EU after Germany. It's thrown something like 300 billion Euro's into the pot in total and nobody can adequately explain what we actually got for that. Only 13% of GDP is tied to EU exports, 40% of which are "services" which unaffected by tariffs and will remain unchanged should the UK leave the EU. So somehow trade amounting to 8% of GDP, that will probably continue anyway, will somehow destroy the UK economy. Nice try Jean-Claude.
