>this is what liberals believe
>This post was not ironic
>The comments were not ironic
>>76824688
Lots of people believe lots of things. Doesn't make them right
>>76824688
Why would it be, it's what they've been told by the kikes all their lives. Ofcourse they believe it.
It's why we have 0 chance of every liberating europe, 95% of the population has the mental jew running their throughs.
People with disabled family members generally think they should be taken care of insomuch as is possible. So extending this to society I think it's easy to see why people could agree with that statement, taken verbatim.
The problem most people have isn't with those who -can't- produce, it's with those who -won't-, and the discussion really should be about how to BOTH have a safety net in society AND keep the profit/embetterment motive for everyone
well, people DO deserve all those things, we are human beings in this world
Also clover saves my trip code from other boards too lazy to erase it for each post
>>76824747
Is there a message or some kind of logic behind that gif, or is it just to confuse the watcher
>>76824747
That was interesting as fuck
>>76825020
when you're spending other people's money there's no limit to what you can dream.
>>76824688
Have you considered: why?
>>76825103
>>76825123
welcome to the internet friends.
>>76824688
>liberals
also nat soc
check mate, libertarians win.
>>76824688
Typical liberals though, they want to spend other peoples money and never stop to consider the violence inherent in that system.
>>76824688
Don't you already provide this though? There are private charities which do literally those things, the united States gives emergency room care regardless of coverage.
>>76824688
Sometimes i wonder how people like them exist. Like, what kind of education do you get to not uderstand that this is wrong. They are caught so deep in their fantasy world that they dont think straight. Do they not understand that this is how countries collapse. You provide for your country and the country provides for you. Its a basic concept. I get just angry just by looking at this even if its fake i dont care, there are people who belive that and they shouldnt be allowed to vote.
>>76824688
I have no medical insurance, I havent had any since I was 17, I am going to turn 22 in a few days
Thanks Obama for not giving me health insurance
>>76825226
Nazi Germany has zero(0) percent unemployment, so no.
>>76825356
Sorry m8
>>76825254
They're the people who think that the wealthy are this big pile of uranium that generates infinite money if you tax them and if you tax them enough everyone can have a free spaceship
>>76825254
>>76825235
>>76825226
>>76825145
>>76825000
>>76824792
People DO deserve those things though. It doesn't mean that people should have their money forcefully taken from them with the threat of force to supply those goods and services to other people.
People deserve those things, and various charities provide those resources to people.
>>76825387
He really fucked up the entire system and then declared it a victory
Sure some people have medical now but I aint one of those people
Sure I'm all for helping those in need and all that good stuff, but someone must work for that food. The food and shelter don't just come out from nothing, and god help yer soul if you abuse the system, and I bet my ass there are hundreds of nignogs with 20+ children who refuse to work. That will strain the system and will ruin it for everybody else.
Imagine what it must feel to be someone who works in some stressful 9 to 5 job, knowing that a big chunk of your paycheck will be taxed and then given to some family of 20 people who are never going to do anything because you're pretty much slaving your ass for them.
>>76825450
please explain how you will provide them all of those without forcing someone to give it to them
>>76825386
>Nazi Germany has zero(0) percent unemployment, so no.
so did commie poland, whats your point?
PEOPLE DESERVE NOTHING
YOU HAVE TO FIGHT AND KILL TO SURVIVE
THE WEAK SHOULD FEAR THE STRONG
>>76824688
It's not an unreasonable line of thinking
It all go to shit when the inevitable next step is "Tax everyone to finance the needs of the jobless"
I have yet to see liberals pooling their own money together to actually provide what they think is "deserved", it's always "Why cant someone else pay for it?"
>>76825450
You don't """deserve""" ANYTHING someone else worked for that they didn't willingly give away.
>>76825509
Deserve: to do something or have or show qualities worthy of (reward or punishment).
All people deserve those things, some of the people get those things.
Just because you deserve something doesn't mean you actually end up receiving it.
Well the flipside to that is if you don't do tedious, manual labor at least, you should just starve to death under an overpass or wait to die from the common cold.
In a damn near post-scarcity world, they are both equally awful.
>>76824747
That was interesting
>>76825254
>Like, what kind of education do you get to not understand that this is wrong.
A regular college one.
>>76825662
You didn't read my comment fully then. I said they deserve it, but they should not be able to take it.
>>76825651
I totally agree
You guys want to know the best part?
These people would be the first against the wall if their economic desires were put into practice.
Food shelter and medicine cost next to nothing. At the basics: grub with calories and nutrients, a dorm bed, some painkillers. It's an absolute no brainer to provide them.
What liberals actually mean is a high standard of living which costs a massive amount of money and is not that much better for the beneficiaries.
>>76825672
You are confused between deserve and want
They have the right to ask for those
They dont have the right to get those
>>76825509
he'll just say it's charity's job to do so, even though charities obviously don't do a perfect job of eliminating poverty, etc. and never have.
If you go so far as to say that someone in your country "deserves" something, it's a cop-out to say they only "deserve" to recieve it from someone else, and not from you
>>76825814
>don't do a perfect job of eliminating poverty, etc. and never have.
neither does the state.
I do believe everyone deserves to have food, shelter, medicine, etc. regardless whether or not they are a productive member of society.
But we do not live in a perfect world. Resources are limited.
>>76825809
That's not what deserve means though. it means they are worthy of, not entitled to.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/deserve
I deserve a million dollars. Doesn't mean I I'll get or take a million dollars
>>76824688
Ironic considering that OP is probably a NEET
>>76825959
Me OP or original OP I took it from?
>>76825814
It's not a cop out to say that they deserve it from willing charity and not threatened force. It's a big distinction
>>76825814
The poverty rate was declining by 1% every year until the great society programs came in and it froze friendo
>>76825672
>because not all injustice can be remedied, none should
>>76825911
It's typical word play that is used by socialists, stuff like "people deserve" or "social contract" it's all an means to taking what other people have worked for and giving it to others, rather than working yourself and giving what is rightfully yours to others.
It's easier to rob people than it is to actually do the work yourself.
>>76825894
This is exactly right. People are confusing "deserving" with "entitled"
>>76825646
reminder that sammy loves trannies
>>76824688
Can you imagine trying to explain to cavemen that they should give food to people who do nothing but sit in the caves all day while they are out risking life and limb for the next meal?
Fuck libtards. The government and shitskins get to lick the sweat off our brows and we do fuck all but let them.
>>76826045
That's not what I was arguing. I am saying that everyone is worthy of all the things mentioned in the opening post.
I also mention that voluntary charities which provide those goods to the needy are a good thing. it's hard to disagree with either of those things, at least broadly
>space and resources are finite
>people who don't contribute anything deserve some of this limited space and resources
No thanks, I want my children and my children's children to have the best chance possible.
>>76826069
That's abusing the language. If you take what they say by the dictionary definition I would say they are right when it comes to those services because people literally need them to survive.
When we are talking about voluntary transactions between consenting providing goods required to have people survive it's difficult to go against if you take it at face value
>....whether or not they can produce profitable labor
This is the interesting part.
Is it profitable if you do some obscure activity that can't be quantified? If you have Down syndrome and someone teaches you to plant trees on some mountain for free, how profitable is that? Is it enough to earn food, shelter and medicine?
>>76826232
What about disabled persons? What if one of your children has an accident and loses his legs or whatever?
>>76825778
>>768258914
and?
First of all, the gov't is not threatened force. It's social contract, etc. etc.
And it's easy to say someone deserves something if you have no part in fulfilling it. One should have skin in the game for it to mean something.
No one tells us that the fly has a "right" to be safe from the spider, or that the rat has a "right" to a life without cats
No one insists that all the birds should be fed through no work of their own.
Even our very Sun has no claim to an endless life.
Yet the human, the lowly mutated ape, is so enraptured with the notion that it should be provided for, cared for, even if it should put forth no effort or production. That somehow, in the grand scheme of the universe, it alone is above something as pitiful as working for it's livelihood.
It is an unsolvable mystery, this "human condition".
Every nation has the government it deserves.
>>76826182
It would be totally unfair to a caveman because of the relatively high amount of time they have to spend per day getting food. A person on minimum wage getting the bare minimum of calories IE boiled lentils etc only needs to work under an hour a day, anywhere in the West
>>76826318
They are obviously exceptional cases. They cannot physically contribute to the same level as an able-bodied person and shouldn't be expected to
These shitlibs ARE able-bodied. They're just lazy as fuck and deluded to boot. There is zero reason why they cannot get off their ass and work
>>76824747
What the fuck did i watch...
>>76824688
All countries already do.
It's called join the army.
>>76826009
I'd argue that to fix things we don't need to end the social net programs, just discourage relative reproduction rates by recipients
>affirmative action to ensure minorities are employed while whites remain unemployed
>"got no job, free gibs plox"
It's black slavery all over again.
Guys, I think I found the endgame.
>>76825778
>This
They don't want to work either / are incompetent as well. The worst part is when they bring children into the world who have literally done nothing to deserve this. Then they get the government to look after them, otherwise the children starve. Sad!
>>76826443
So you agree with the statement from "fandomsandfeminism" when talking about disabled people, correct?
>>76824688
The 'everyone deserves the same shit' meme.
Animals dont share and humans dont either. Its called incentive. If we all work hard and get taxed to death to pay for little assholes to go to uni or sit at home to smoke pot all day only to be blamed for a poor economy by the very people who have yet to inject a dime into it why should we work?
I refuse socialism outright, life isnt free and it isnt fair.
>>76826307
All kinds of things aren't considered profitable and our society deals with it in interesting ways. If we are both mothers and raise our kids that's unprofitable. If we both become maids who raise each other's kids and pay each other both 30,000$ a year that's considered profitable and contributes 60k to GDP.
Reading to your kid isnt profitable but increases their intelligence.
Taking care of your grandparents in old age, not profitable but an important service. Creating patents, art, inventions etc and releasing it into the public domain. Unprofitabile. It still contributes
>>76824688
>deserve
And there you have it folks, the reason for the fall of Western civilization.
Any society that spends too long in safety, security, pomp, luxury, and convenience eventually comes to expect these things as a matter of course. In due time, these things are not just seen as niceties, but rather, are instead seen as essential necessities. Without outward adversities to shore up the morality of a people (a common enemy), or an inward framework to maintain it (religion or other strong moral foundation), societies fall into decay and ruin as people seek every greater heights of pleasure and decadence.
The truth is lost on people today:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNaEEj7gCqM
Nobody deserves anything, you're supposed to earn it
>>76826388
ideas of fairness can be seen in most social animals. There's a semi-famous experiment of giving monkeys grapes and cucumbers that illustrates it.
Ideas of fairness aren't weird ethereal results of a soul, they're firmly based in our biology/evolution as social animals.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiQt9j865_NAhUYwGMKHdHuCEoQyCkIIDAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DHL45pVdsRvE&usg=AFQjCNFE9ytCD3IHuerIfgTWc_Ho41TgNQ
>>76824688
It is true that the mentally/ physically challenged should be helped by the state and community but the problem is that among non Euro/ Asian/ Ashkenazi the numbers vastly increase. They see Northern Europe and think "Oh look. Socialism works!" but that isn't the case if you purposefully bring in the handicapped or if you don't seek work.
>>76826576
Sure, if she was talking about disabled people only. We all know she's talking about retards who work in "art" and other dogshit areas, who don't make money
Basically she wants EVERYONE to get gibsmedat, regardless of their career choice. Want to be a freelance "feminist scholar"? No problem, here's some gubment money
>>76826474
Actually many countries deny people that ability, for stuff as simple as asthma and various other medical conditions. Which "ironically" people need medicine for
Posting at 35,000 feet. Was just wondering what my flag would be.
everyone already knows that people aren't compensated based on the quality of their labor, they're compensated based on social class. corporate executives, financiers, etc. produce nothing of value at all but get paid millions.
>>76826685
Deserve means to be worthy of. It doesn't mean that they are entitled to it.
>>76826801
Is that a 737 m8
>>76825646
RULES OF NATURE
>>76826801
r U goING strAghit Into thE T0werS m8?
KaBo00M XD
>>76826619
The opening post never mentions "free" college, just food medicine and shelter which people literally need to survive
>>76826839
>arguing semantics instead of just rephrasing to use a different word
fucking kill yourself
>>76824688
The weak are supposed to die to make room for the strong
>liberals are crypto-christfags
>>76826801
>sitting above the wing
you just got cucked
>>76824688
Health care is free but food is not. Explain this shit. If I don't eat food I will die.
>>76826646
Food water shelter and medicine aren't considered niceties though. They're required to survive
>>76826304
The fact that you need something to survive doesn't entitle you to that thing, millions of our ancestors have died to get humans to this point and they weren't given anything because that's not how life works, you don't magically get something that someone feels like you deserve.
So in what sense is the world "deserve" in any way meaningful other than to attempt to justify take other people stuff to redistribute it?
It has no other meaning in this context, just think about it for a second, if it has meaning then in what way is the world different if these people didn't deserve food/shelter/etc? It wouldn't be any different.
>>76826801
>35,000 feet
>Is posting on 4chin and not joining the mile-high club
Stay cucked.
>People deserve to survive a shipwreck, whether or not they can swim
No bitch. Nature affords you only one inalienable right. The right to die.
>>76826959
Food is more expensive, i think that's the most logical explanation. Everyone has to eat, not everyone gets sick
>>76826690
These monkeys know each other. They are the equivalent of friends, if not family. What would be the outcome if the experiment used monkeys from two different groups?
>>76826801
Uses ground based stations, normally USA just because its easier to relay there.
>>76826927
Just type what you mean next time.
People arguing about semantics is what keeps our language pure
>>76826959
Become homelss, homeless people in the middle of London get more food than families in council estates
>>76824747
this gif rly rly
rly
makes u think
what did you mean by it, btw?
>>76826993
>Food water shelter and medicine aren't considered niceties though.
You miss the spirit of my post and drag it down by overthinking my message.
>>76824688
>hurr fugging libbturdds
but I'd agree with the original statement. they should get food, shelter and medicine, no matter what though. because an unhappy, ill or starving living being can't work properly anyways.
besides, life has to go on, day by day. starving is fucking terrible and every life lost is a tragedy in itself. that shit is never good. even the most intelectually and degenerate nigga has some fleeting and decent qualities.
>>76827066
considering monkeys, like humans, are not above attacking and killing other groups over resources, I'd postulate that the effect probably carries over.
>>76827247
*intellectually depraved and degenerate
>>76827048
They aren't entitled to them, but they do deserve them. Entitled implies holding on to the title of something, giving you legitimacy to take that from someone else I.E. if I have title to a house I can lock out the current inhabitant and live there myself.
I never argued this. I just said that they were worthy of it. If there was no limitations when it came to resources I would say they should have it. Of course we don't live in that world, but we may in the future
>>76824747
This gif really made me think.
>>76825678
if you are fully able to work but choose not to then yes, you deserve to starve.
>>76826993
No, population grows to match the supply of those necessities (africa).
>>76827246
Look at my ID. That's literally all I've been doing all thread because people are confusing deserve with entitled
And by the end of this thread I want people to remember the difference
>>76826318
its OK in that case of course.
its not OK if the doctors tell you your kid will be a retard before birth and you still refuse the abortion. In my opinion in that case you shouldnt receive anything for that kid.
>>76827362
In Africa perhaps. But not in eastern Europe
>>76824688
>whether or not they produce profitable labor
>>76824688
Only in a better world.
>>76827466
I actually disagree . It's better to keep some of those people around because of genetic diversity.
If people with downs are the only people immune to some disability or mental deficiency, but we kill all of them before they leave the womb, we're not going to be able to learn from them. Better to keep some tokens around because they can provide insight
>>76826801
America confirmed owning the sky.
>>76824688
>>76825020
I expect a conversation with these literal retards to go like this:
>we want free stuff for everyone!
Ok, but who pays for it?
>the billionaires!
So you're gonna murder all billionaires and steal their money?
>uhhhh no, but they stole that money first
How? By offering services and products and getting paid for them by free and able-minded people?
>no, all billionaires are corrupt, they're all evil! they don't deserve that money
Right... And what happens when the money of the billionaires end?
>ends? but they have lots of money!
Which will be enough to sustain those kind of programs for a few years at most
>well, we'll take the money of the millionaires!
And what happens when their money ends too?
>we'll take the money of all rich people
And what happens when there are no more rich people left?
>uh, we will all share things together? duh
What things? You killed all rich people and their businesses with them. In the meantime, 90% of the population stopped working since rich people were providing for everything
>uuuhhhhh, w-weee....
Most people will die of hunger, while the few survivors will have to rebuild everything from scratch in their newborn third world country
>S-SHITLORD! RACIST! HOMOPHOBE! WAAHHHH
>>76827662
yeah tell that to families of those who have these children. I have a younger autistic/mentally challenged brother and honestly I do not wish anyone to have to go through the same things my family had to, especially my mother. unforutnately we hadn't known he'd be born autsitic so there was nothing to be done. seriously fuck ,,genetic diversity", at least in this case..
>>76824688
The vast majority of jobs will be automated soon.
If you want everyone to starve except for the Rothschilds and friends you are a silly cunt.
>>76827730
>implying this isn't EXACTLY the conversation I just had
>>76827066
They'd kill each other.
And in any case, primate studies have shown that chimp in-groups are altruistic until space and resources are limited, and then they adopt a far more stringent approach to the very old, the very sick. The opposite of OP's pic.
I blame supermarkets. Liberals and other people with low IQs walk into supermarkets and see rows and rows of produce, maybe more food and things than they could personally use in five years. Ten years in the really big ones. Because they are so solipsistic they think "we must be post-scarsity!"
And everything else flows. And when it's not delusions of star trek, it's "well, the Bankers will pay!" based on exactly the same sort of self-centric, nobody else exists kind of mismathematics.
>>76827288
>>76828328
That was pretty much my point. "Ideals of fairness" is generally limited to within-family exchanges. There is no creature which I know of that will give it's resources away to absolute strangers on it's own will.
>>76828590
while your point about animals and strangers seems to hold up, no animal group has organized itself to the point humans have in civilization.
We couldn't have stable organizations of 300 million organisms if some form of cooperation weren't agreed upon.
>>76827246
I love America! how can you enslave 350 million armed Americans? You can't! that's why we never never ever give up our guns. I think even this generation understands the importance now.
>live in a old intermodal container
>buy only the bare minimum of food
$6k/year at the most
You could work minimum wage on the weekends then spend the week getting high or whatever entitled people do for fun
>>76824688
There's not enough to go around. The people that I know deserve my assistance more than some random fucks I never met.
>>76828590
>There is no creature which I know of that will give it's resources away to absolute strangers on it's own will.
Yes there is - it's called human beings.
It's one of those little things that sets us apart from the rest of the animals.
If leftists want people to have things for free nothing is stopping them from sharing their own wealth.
>>76829972
Humans don't have a monopoly on empathy. Plenty of other animals will share resources spontaneously.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/03/140311-paul-nicklen-leopard-seal-photographer-viral/
>>76825450
>deserve
nope.
>>76825103
>>76825123
Are summerfaggots the best example of why immigration is bad?
