Pol what is the real red pill on vaccines? We know big pharma isn't our friend as evidence by the crap they push at us (SSRIs, fluoride, never address diet) and the lack of cures for cash cow diseases, and banned beneficial substances.
But vaccines? Autism? Damaged gut flora resulting in eczema asthma etc? Is the new DTAP the true cause of the disease in Brazil. Bill gates evil?
I have a nearly 2 year old and have been considering a few vaccines like tetanus at least and idk...
I want the truth. Are the dangers real? Worth the risk?
Or just have faith in herd immunity?
My belief is that the shots should be taken one at a time, weeks apart, instead of a few in one sitting.
When you pump your kid with 3 or 4 dormant viruses, it doesn't surprise me when they get all fucked up
>>76788606
that little faggot has aids
>>76788606
My understanding is that chickenpox is fine for children, but it's dangerous to get it as an adult.
>>76788606
If you think "big pharma" is ripping you off with preventative medicine please forego any other medicine too. Morphine for your pain? Nah man big pharma. Aspirin and nitro for your heart attack? But big pharma! Epinephrine for your anaphylaxis? BIG PHARMA
>>76788606
wait, theres a chicken pox vaccine?
>>76788651
They're all attenuated viruses. They're not "dormant". That means that they have a mutation in a crucial part of their genome that prevents them from replicating. Of course they can revert, but the size of the mutation combined with the chances of the mutation occuring at that location on the genome is on the order of 10e-9.
There is no problem with giving your kids multiple vaccines at once. Want a redpill? Don't be a dumbass. Vaccinate your fucking kids and don't ruin our herd immunity. Big pharma sucks ass but they don't have hands in the vaccine industry.
source: BS in Microbiology and Infectious Diseases
>>76788606
It probably looks very bad because it's a baby, but I got chicken pox as a kid and it wasn't even that bad, I didn't even knew there was a vaccine for it
>>76788716
yes and my mom didnt get me it but gave it to my brother
fucking shit sucked
>>76788651
This is what I was saying the other day, and like you, its how I think it should be done too, rather than all at once.
We had our vaccines for our child qand he spent the next two weeks "off" and being miserableas anything, not his usual self.
I think having them all mixed together is a bad idea, but having a very young child, fight off multiple illness's all at the same time too is a nightmare for the child and the parents.
Is there really any reason its all done as one jab ?
>>76788606
>We know fluoride is bad for you
I hope you get rubella and die.
>>76788606
> Worst case of chicken pox
> Obviously due to no vaccines
Fucking people these days. Use a one-off case as the talking point for their entire platform.
Look here, shitheads. I was vaccinated to the fullest when I was a kid (so much so that, when moving to the US from Canada, I had to get more shots because Canada requires less). When I was 3 years old, I developed a severe case of chicken pox when I was in Disney land of all things. To the point that my raised skin was bleeding. People on the flight home were concerned that they were going to develop the black plague. My parents almost weren't allowed on the plane because I looked like death.
Shit happens.
>>76788716
Ever heard of a varicella vaccine? Same thing.
Vaccines DO cause autism. Anything or anyone saying otherwise is just jew propaganda. I'll be having a kid next month and there's no way in hell I'm going to make my baby retarded by purposely injecting him with poison.
>>76788606
In the long run, vaccines make populations stronger by eliminating contagions.
On an actual human scale, you're playing with dice. You could be allergic to the vaccine, it can have a different effect on you then the majority. You are also injecting mercury into the human body, which can be dangerous because even if it is a small amount. They cant test you for how much innate mercury you have picked up from the environment. You're also screwed if the vaccine has been improperly mixed and ends up with excess mercury.
Healthy young child goes to doctor, gets pumped with massive shot of many vaccines, doesn't later fall ill to trivially preventable sicknesses. Many such cases!
>>76788681
getting it as a kid damages DNA, leading to diseases later in life. Shingles i think (for example)
>>76788730
>BS in Microbiology and Infectious Diseases
Muh nigga
I'm taking that same course man, how's the job market working out for you so far?
>>76788606
Vaccinate your children dumbass, why is this even a question.
>>76788866
Yea that's why literally every study that takes samples of children with and without vaccinations has the same percentage and likelihood of autism in both groups.
Fucking liberals man
>>76788730
This is the fucking truth, Immunology major here
The fact is, people don't have a fucking clue how vaccines or the immune system works, even in the most basic terms
>>76788756
>Is there really any reason its all done as one jab ?
Yeah it's called being cheaper, easier and more time efficient. Your kid could've been "off" for literally any reason but confirmation bias made you blame life saving vaccines.
>>76788606
>Vaccines you should use
>vaccines that have been around forever for dangerous diseases like chicken pox, tetanus etc
>Vaccines you should avoid
>For seasonal flus (swine flu, bird flu etc ) since they're usually dodgy as fuck
>>76788866
Please keep your retarded offspring away from any public place or school
>>76788651
fpbp
>>76788689
>Everything is much simpler when you turn it into a black and white issue!
kys
>>76788866
Well I got vaccinated and I don't have autism.
>>76788606
make another child and vaccinate it
see difference
report back to /pol/ in a couple years
>>76788606
If you've seriously done your research and still have to question whether vaccines are worth doing, then I have to question your ability to be a parent. Or to even breath independently. Perhaps there is some merit to spacing them out, I don't know, but not vaccinating without a legitimate medical reason is one of the absolute worst things you could do to your child. The dangers of vaccines are statistically nonexistent, the dangers of the diseases prevented via vaccination are still very real and very deadly. And the autism garbage is complete BS coming from a single paper that was proven to be completely fraudulent decades ago.
I firmly believe that if a parent refuses to vaccinate their child without a legit medical reason, and someone else dies because they got the disease from that child, the parents should be held criminally liable for manslaughter.
>>76788756
Yeah, because doctors appointments are $300 a pop.
>>76788606
What's the tube thing in its mouth? Is that like a breathing mask or is it for feeding?
>>76789072
>sample size: 2
sounds like a great plan
Wait since when have people started vaccinating for chicken pox? I thought it was one of those things you're expected to get at some point in your childhood and then you're immune? What's the point in vaccinating for it if we create an immunity naturally?
>>76788935
Shingles is adult chicken pox and usually appears on the back.
>>76788730
Pretty much what this guy says.
Big Pharma DOES NOT make a whole lot of money from vaccines. They're distributed to be as cheap as possible to get the most amount of people vaccinated. If anything, Big Pharma would work against vaccines because healthy people make them less money.
BS in BioChemistry
>>76788606
> fluoride meme
Fluoride is fine unless you're literally drinking 8 gallons a day; In which case, you've got more problems to worry about.
Do you people even bother to read your water quality reports?
>>76788962
>>76788923
Fucking this. This is the stupidest shit people rage over.
I'd expect redpilled people to realize that vaccines are the reason half the world doesn't get wiped out by diseases.
>>76788935
You actually get shingles if you didn't catch chicken pox as a kid.
>>76788962
Just took the MCAT and got top 12% so I'm headed off to med school senpai. The major was interesting as shit tho. Definitely plan on doing internal medicine and working with HIV or Hepatitis.
I imagine the system is a little different as a brit bro.
Everyone knows they only give the dirty vaccines to ethnic minorities.
Just remember, if you're white, you're all right.
>>76788606
The asshole who started the whole "vaccines give children autism" scare was fired from his job and also had his medical license revoked. It was an admitted error corrected by older, wiser doctors who know better.
>>76789120
because some people get it as adults instead and it sucks
>>76788730
This guy gets it
Not all vaccines are "live" and not all vaccines are virus or parts of. This is the hardest thing for people to understand when I see them in the ER, don't blame them though, a lot of disinformation about there.
Micro was never my strong suit so keep it up my friend, so I don't have to
>>76788866
Is this bait?
1/3
Everyone knows that vaccines cause autism. Synergy can solve this. The massive amount of evidence is undeniable, but big pharma pays big government with little synergy to stop the research on vaccine autism and prevent synergy. They then use their little research to show that vaccines don't cause autism when they do, preventing synergy. Everyone knows that vaccines don't prevent disease they cause them, they prevent synergy. We must stop this massive anti-child movement by using synergy. It is caused by big government wanting everyone to be autistic and stopping synergy. If we could unite and form some great synergy we could fix this. They use the autistic people without synergy as mind control so the democrats can seize control using synergy of the government and exterminate the Republicans and prevent synergy. This is why synergy is key. This is why the entire government is controlled by the Democrats that have no synergy. This is why I voted for Mr. Synergy Donald Trump in the election, he has so much synergy that he will unite the United States with great synergy with synergy. He is anti-vaccine and so should you. He knows that vaccines cause autism and so does Obama. The filthy nigger just doesn't want to attempt that he is wrong so he keeps on pumping children full of autism and no synergy.
>>76789083
>$0.05 has been deposited into your account.
>>76788651
This but they aren't dormant
2/3
The amount of evidence that vaccines no synergy cause autism is going to be undeniable meaning big government with lots of synergy is going to fall. Then people will see that vaccines cause autism. I love synergy. I encourage you to look at the evidence, you will see that one vaccine can cause a child to become autistic and prevents synergy. Everyone knows that one vaccine is all it takes and that is why Obama is autistic. No Synergy Hillary Clinton loves vaccines, what does that mean? Synergy is required to prevent this crisis without synergy. It means that big government with synergy is actually controlled by big pharma that uses synergy to control big government that wants to mind control with synergy. How do you mind control? You use vaccines and synergy. That is right people, you heard it here, the massive amount of evidence is undeniable along with the synergy created. There has been so much research using synergy on autism and it is proven that vaccines cause autism along with preventing synergy. This is why synergy is required to meet demands.
>>76788866
[Citation Fucking Needed]
>>76788899
why the fuck is there mercury in something that is supposed to help ypu
People not wanting to vaccinate are functional retards.
>>76789120
To protect people in close contact with chickenpox carriers, e.g. immunosuppressed people or non-immune people
It isn't routine but ti's available
>>76789109
Yeah, why does he wear the mask?
3/3
If you say other wise without synergy then you are not doing best for your child. We need to form some great synergy. Vaccines should be banned and the people that produce them should be executed with great amounts of synergy for making children autistic and disease ridden and no synergy.
>>76789199
Congrats.
Please come up with a fix for HIV and Hep C so I don't have to live in fear of it everyday.
t. an inner city paramedic
>>76788899
>injecting mercury into the human body
The mercury angle should just die. Most vaccines for children don't have that type of mercury because too many people bitched about it.
For the record, there is more mercury in a tuna fish sandwich than in a vaccine. Injecting vs eating heavy metals has little difference.
>>76789299
If only I could make money that easily, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Sure beats anything else I've got lined up.
>>76789274
Just standard autism.
>>76789083
>The dangers of vaccines are statistically nonexistent
That doesn't mean what you're trying to imply. Sure, only <1% of people will have a negative reaction to vaccines. That doesn't mean their pain and suffering doesn't exist, you just don't care because in the long run its a positive gain for the human race.
>>76789279
Shut the fuck up.
>>76788606
IF YOU DON'T AT LEAST GET VACCINATIONS FOR COMMON SERIOUS DISEASES YOU ARE RETARDED
>>76789147
Drink some pure fluoride right now and then tell me how you feel.
>>76788606
even if they caused autism in 1/10 kids, the risk is still lesser than the risk of rampant disease
I HATE SCIENCE: The thread
I bet you tards think cocaine is dangerous too.
>>76789156
Red pillers are fuckin morons who think they know better than specialists (in any field) just because they read a few conspiracy theories. See also; red pill views on global warming.
>>76789317
Thiomerosal isn't even used in kid's vaccinations anymore, it's just another meme the anti-vaxxers love
>>76788716
Yes. It's not as effective as some other vaccines, but one does exist.
4/3
Overall with out synergy we will never overcome this massive problem of a lack of synergy relating to vaccinates. If we unite under synergy then we can form some great synergy. With this excess synergy we can then attack big pharma that uses vainccens to prevent synergy by causing autism that is very anti-synergy. So by preventing synergy big government takes over, AKA Anti-Synergy Clinton. We can prevent autism and create great synergy by Electing High Energy, High Synergy Donald Trump. Synergy is required to stop vaccinates.
>>76789199
I'm planning on doing an extremely similar thing, the only real difference between the two paths is that the MCAT equivalent is known as the UKCAT. HIV is interesting as fuck, but I love the sound mycology and it's a field that is rarely filled.
Good luck senpai.
>>76789355
If you think you have been exposed to it, doctors just put you on anti retro virals for a month
>>76789473
>Drink some pure fluoride
Pure hydrogen fluoride is a gas, not a liquid.
Pure sodium fluoride is a solid salt, not a liquid.
STFU about a topic you clearly know nothing about.
>>76789441
You don't understand the fact that vacinees cause autism which prevents synergy. Synergy is key for the massive amount of synergy in today's synergy related economy. By causing autism with vacinees it prevents synergy.
Could an infant die due to chicken pox?
>>76789551
>Thiomerosal
For almost 15 years and they are still bitching
>>76789012
Have fun dieing of the flu
>>76789193
You're more likely to get shingles if you had chicken pox as a kid. Why? The virus is dormant in your nervous system once you get it.
You're not immune to having shingles once you've had chicken pox. It's just less likely to be severe. If you have NOT had chicken pox as a kid, and you catch the VZ virus, your version of shingles will be MUCH worse.
>>76789440
I'd disagree, do you have actual numbers somewhere? I don't, but I'm under the impression the risk of such negative reactions is far smaller, more like < 0.001% or so. What matters is that the risk presented by the diseases prevented is much, much greater than the risk posed by the vaccine.
>>76789529
>What is variola
Seriously people's memory is so damn short.
>>76789762
Yes, but it is better to be dead than retarded.
>>76789762
Yes, specially neonates and I've seen a couple of cases of varicella pneumonia that are awful on the kids
>>76788606
Vaccines have been hijacked to modify the population
>>76789689
You know what I meant, autist. Most people with autism don't understand hyperbole. Seems you've been drinking too much yourself.
>>76789012
>>76789350
If I took that off, would he cry?
1776 will commence again if you try to take our firearms!
>>76789364
>mercury that has to go through your digestive system is the same as mercury thats directly injected into the bloodstream which travels directly through your brain
lawl
Also, you're proving the point that mercury is already occurring in our environment, its stupid to add MORE in.
Idiocy: The thread.
>>76789623
Doesn't always work. PEP reduces the risk but doesn't eliminate it.
I had a near miss exposure and I couldn't sleep for two months after it happened. Tested negative for it after 3 months. Still need to get back and get retested in 6 months and then in a year.
One of my good friends got AIDS/Hep C blood splashed into his face, eyes and mouth. He got the PEP and had to get tested as well. Nearly broke up his marriage and he had major anxiety issues for months after.
Shit is no joke. And Hep C has like a 30% seroconversion rate, it's really easy to contract.
>>76789771
They're still bitching about a chemical that was removed 15 years ago and the only one I can think of that still has it is the flu vaccine
>>76788997
>kid is never off, been happy and full of energy since day 1.
>kid has his mass vaccines.
>kid spends the next two weeks off and completely not himself.
Not even biased, never was one of these "oh no muh vaccines" types, just pointing out my experience, and my initial thought that doing it all at once is not a good idea.
>>76789012
Ok chicken pox vaccine has not been around forever unless you are 21.
>>76789951
You're fucking stupid, its not mercury, its a compound with a mercury atom in it called thimerosal
ever wonder why water isn't flammable? the chemical properties change when atoms and other molecules bond together
>>76788606
The best vaccine is closing the border to countries where they still have these diseases.
If you can't do that, then you're stuck with vaccines. It sucks, but it's better than getting polio.
>>76789279
What the hell is synergy
>>76788935
No it doesnt, everyone use to have it as a kid.
If you are not studying something like chemistry/biology/medicine or related stuff you have no opinion.
Jesus Christ, America get your shit together and outlaw anti-vacs as has already been done in all civilized nations.
>le fluoride is bad maymay
I am not memorising a 6 page essay to write in 45 minutes for my masters exam to listen to you chucklefucks harp on about things you don't understand.
>>76789083
t. Dr. Shekelberg
>>76790144
>(You)
>>76788606
So that is what chicken pox looks like.
>>76789951
Humans have an excellent heavy metal sequestering system. Not as good as plant but pretty good. Please stop acting like you know what you're talking about. Thimerosal (a mercury-BASED chemical) isn't even present in child vaccines anymore.
Only people at risk of mercury poisoning are tuna fish and fucking eskimos.
>be medfag
>work for one of midwests largest hospital systems
>pediatrician friend just told me the entire system now is forcing all pediatricians to discharge patients from their practice if the parents refuse vaccines
This is fucking great. Fuck you anti vaxxers and your pseudoscience mommy blog bullshit. I hope all your children bear the suffering of your stupidity.
>>76790144
This
Hell, just ban unvaccinated kids from attending public school, like France does. You can practice your bullshit belief if you want, just don't put everyone else's kid in danger
>>76789897
You can't drink pure fluoride.
You can drink a fluoride solution, in which case you'll likely get poisoned. But you'd get poisoned drinking a sodium chloride solution as well.
Fluorides should be avoided, but there's worse stuff in your drinking water. Halogenated organic compounds in particular.
>>76789069
>Doesn't have autism
>On /pol/
Pick one faggot
>>76788606
Your redpill is that big pharma donors infiltrated the GOP to convince people that vaccines cause autism in order to get people to use less vaccines which in turn lets more people get infected
Tl;dr get money out of politics
>>76790144
It's because of one shitstain Andrew Wakefield making up a fraudulent study linking autism and vaccines that we have this bullshit to deal with.
>>76789933
>mfw the federal court this week stating concealed carry is not a right
>>76789102
Only in a retarded 3rd world country would you pay that much to see a doctor. In Australia it's free and a nurse does it.
>people uronically believing vaccines are harmful
only america can breed such retards
>>76790076
>ever wonder why water isn't flammable?
Having dropped flaming magnesium into a beaker of water, I can promise you it's quite flammable given the right amount of heat.
>>76790345
No one in the US beyond retarded tinfoil hats believes anti-vax shit. Those kinds of people are pseudoscience retards that believe Vitamin B-17 cures cancer or fluoride in water is bad for them
>>76790358
Now everyone is going to look like an attention whore when carrying a self defense piece.
>>76790444
Water is not flammable and magnesium doesn't ignite until extremely high temperatures
>>76788843
>>76788745
>Subsequent laboratory studies of the virus led to the development of a live attenuated varicella vaccine in Japan in the 1970s. The vaccine was licensed for use in the United States in March 1995. The first vaccine to reduce the risk of herpes zoster was licensed in May 2006.
>licensed for use in the United States in March 1995
ya we're closer to this date now than when i was born
>first vaccine to reduce the risk of herpes zoster was licensed in May 2006
i got shingles in like '04, guess i missed out again. doc gave me valtrex for 2 weeks to clear it up. valtrex was what they gave people for genital herpes. i still remember the shitty commercials for it - swimming, horseback riding, that whole spiel. "i can enjoy my life again thanks to this pill". i still can't figure out why they advertise things you can't buy without a prescription?
>>76788716
No shit right? My chicken pox vaccine was, "Go over to David's house and play." "But, he stayed home from school today." "Do as you're told "
>>76788606
If you're uncertain ask the doc for an alternative vaccination schedule. That way they won't be shot gunning vaccines. There's a tenuous correlation between the MMR and regressive autism. It appears, in some kids, the multishot MMR may overload the system at a critical time during development. Nothing is proven conclusive and thanks to Wakefield's bullshit it will take another generation to study it, but if you want to be extra cautious, ask for the alternative schedule.
>>76790223
It's a question of public health, you don't get to play the muh freedumbs card when the survival of society is at stake.
Threads like these honestly make me laugh at any non-STEM majors. Sure, your major might make you money eventually. But you are a fucking retard otherwise. Most people have no understanding of how the world works and vote in favor of whatever Buzzfeed or Huffington post just posted to facebook. Tired of this fucking gay earth. I've always been sad that I'm gonna die before we explore space but I'm 99% sure we're gonna die off before we even reach that point.
>>76788730
ty muh nigguah
t. BS in Biochemistry/Cell Bio
>>76790587
>There's a tenuous correlation between the MMR and regressive autism.
No theres not, theres not a single credible study for this
>inb4 wakesfield
>>76790550
>i still can't figure out why they advertise things you can't buy without a prescription?
It's so people going to a doctor will harass them until they get it.
>>76788606
I got vaccinated for HPV 2 years ago and now I have autism. Coincidence? Doubt it.
>>76790530
>extremely high temperatures
You mean as hot as a match?
>>76790526
i live in commiefornia and open carry is banned as well. we cant carry at all unless we have "good cause" that puts us at special risk. We're absolutely cucked and fucked.
>>76790760
Go back and read my post you stupid cunt.
>>76790475
>or fluoride in water is bad for them
It is kinda bad. It's not beneficial.
You need to understand WHY it's there to know the truth.
Fluoride salts are toxic waste byproducts of the aluminum industry. Said industry needed a fast way to dispose of this material without paying for it, so they lobbied governments to add it to water supplies.
If the fluoride wasn't added to the water supply, ALCOA would have had to spend hundreds of millions of dollars in disposal fees getting rid of this otherwise toxic waste product.
>>76790833
>YEA WELL WATER IS FLAMMABLE IF I HOLD A MATCH TO A MAGNESIUM STRIP
you're stupid
>>76788606
chicken pox is a form of herpes the vaccine introduces a small amount of this herpes into the body. which then it will respond by creating antibodies. This herpes stays in the body suppressed for the rest of the person's life. the chicken pox vaccine basically gives a person herpes for life. Look up varicella zoster herpes.
>>76790754
Cell Bio was the hardest class I've taken in college senpai. Interesting to learn about how shit works at the molecular level. Congrats bro.
>>76790842
It doesn't matter, your entire sentence is false, theres no "tenuous correlation" with MMR and Autism at all
I have some sympathy for the anti-vax crowd. For a while they did everything right. They had an article authored by a doctor and published in a peer-reviewed medical journal that linked vaccines to autism. As a layman, having faith in the scientific method and system of peer-review is about as good as you can do. During that time a lot of people hitched their wagons to the anti-vax movement. But that article has since been discredited. There is no longer any reason to believe that vaccines are anything but beneficial.
Don't rely on herd immunity! Your kid will get fucking polio
>>76790651
We aren't in the middle ages anymore
We have ways of preventing epidemics now
>>76790530
>Water is not flammable
>American education
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LBjSXWQRV8
>>76791066
>They had an article authored by a doctor and published in a peer-reviewed medical journal that linked vaccines to autism.
it failed peer review, thats how wakesfield lost his license
>>76790587
There is no link between mmr and autism. Sorry friend. And alternative vaccone schedules are not accepted by the medical community.
Also getting chickenpox ensures youll get shingles later. The virus is already inside you :)
>>76791085
Like vaccines.
>>76791093
This isn't the water being flammable, its dissolved methane and other flammable substances in the water.
Even then that whole "fracking made my water have methane in it" even though fracking happens no where near aquafers
>>76791085
Yeah, we do.
It's called 'everyone gets vaccinated'
>>76791066
>They had an article authored by a doctor and published in a peer-reviewed medical journal that linked vaccines to autism.
>>76790587
yup, people used to fear the pox about as much as a cold. it was just something the kids would eventually get. just ride it out and enjoy your 2 week vacation from school. fuck parents didn't even bother taking off work to take care of you.
>>76788866
t. Retard McDumb
>>76791172
Nah, I'm in a fraternity at a large public school. As a result I get to meet a fuckload of dolts. But I also get to slay mad puss so its a fair balance.
I've taken every recommended vaccine but don't do the flu shot. I'm perfectly fine.
>>76788606
only literal retards believe vaccines cause autism
>>76790934
Read what I said. I didn't say anything about water. Amerilards at it again.
>>76790854
>Fluoride salts are toxic waste byproducts of the aluminum industry.
I can tell you that water is a highly toxic chemical in great enough volumes and portions
Hey you should read what fluoride actually is instead of spewing buzzwords that you don't know how to propagate
http://www.sciencelab.com/msds.php?msdsId=9927595
Fluoride isn't toxic until very high concentrations like 70ppm and greater
your water from the city municipality is somewhere between 0.1 and 1ppm
>>76791602
Read what I said
>water is not flammable
>>76791164
Did it not have to undergo peer-review before being published in The Lancet?
>>76788606
vaccines are fine.
stop being a pussy and let dr shekelstein inject your baby with good goyim medicine.
>>76791684
It was the lancet that pulled the article after peer review
you can prematurely publish papers in good faith that they'll stand up to peer review but this one obviously didn't
>>76788866
If it's your kid, by the laws of genetics, it will be retarded.
never got chicken pox, don't remember getting a vaccine
What do
>>76791212
I think the main concern with mandatory vaccinations is the question of what if the people in charge make a mistake or eventually become incompetent or (puts on tinfoil hat) malicious. Call me an American but signing away your rights is never a good idea. Incentivization is a better protection for an unknown future. You've already seen your leaders sell you out and actively trying to replace you with Muslims from the third-world. Do you really trust them with your health as well? I believe in the scientists and their ability but I am very uneasy with anything having to do with making it part of the bureaucracy.
>>76788606
>c1jCxlyX
>CxlyX
>cox lyx
Op confirmed for gay by the illuminerdy
>>76789109
>>76789350
It's a pacifier.
>>76789156
Anti-Vaxers and water filter buyers exist to distract you from the real conspiracies of uncontrolled mass immigration and mass surveillance
>>76791065
Yes there is you dumb cunt.
>In light of encephalopathy presenting as autistic regression (autistic encephalopathy, AE) closely following measles-mumps- rubella (MMR) vaccination, three children underwent cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) assessments including studies for measles virus (MV).
>Findings are consistent with both an MV etiology for the AE and active viral replication in these children. They further indicate the possibility of a virally driven cerebral immunopathology in some cases of regressive autism.
http://www.gea.tested.net/a/pdf/bradstreet.pdf
Summer 2004
Like I said you stupid fuck, because of Wakefield's bullshit, this won't be properly studied for another generation. And it's pieces of fuckig shit like you that are the reason.
>>76788716
They want to make everything a vaccine just like they resurrect their copyright on drugs by finding a new application.
>>76790729
we are dumb but people keep living and creating things, i dont know how we do it
>>76791820
every drug has to go through mandatory testing and shit that takes about 15 years to get through. Testing every contingency, combination and potential side effect.
Its highly unlikely that drugs cause severe problems. Lipitor for example passed its 15 years of trials but after being used for upwards of a decade people started to get severe internal hemoraging
>>76791908
>water filters are a sham
>(xeno)estrogens aren't real
>>76791165
Getting the chicken pox vaccine is a pretty sure way to get shingles as well.
>>76791953
>gea.tested.net
>thinks that one paper is magically conclusive
>didn't actually read the data, just posted the abstract
>>76791633
I'm a chemist. I know full-well what fluorides are.
They're not healthy. Even very small amounts F- can interfere with the sodium, potassium, and calcium channel signalling in the body.
And there's zero health benefit, because drinking F- ions makes them bypass the teeth completely, so they never get the chance to react and form fluoride-phosphorus complexes in tooth enamel.
Brushing with fluoride toothpaste is the best way to get your teeth hardened. Drinking fluoridated water is pointless.
>Vaccines don't cause autism.
>Mormons who don't vaccinate as a whole have the lowest rates of autism.
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>>76792111
>drinking F ions
you aren't drinking F-ions, you're drinking a fluoride salt that exchanges with appetite to form fluoroappetite and the sodium ion is left over.
>>76792097
My whole argument is its not conclusive. Goddamn you're a stupid fuck.
>>76792206
>what is correlation doesn't imply causation
>>76789551
Sanofi Pasteur still uses it. At least at the time of the wiring of the third early 2000's report. IIRC, SP say on the committee and gave reports and shit to the committee in regards to thermosal. Who'd have think that they'd find their own product safe to use?
>>76791748
Well, I can see why people get confused, anyway. It was published in The Lancet in 1998 and did not get repudiated until 2004.
>>76792247
>you aren't drinking F-ions
Soluble salts dissociate in water, son.
Why is there a fucking argument in this thread about how to drink fluoride? Dumbest argument about semantics I've seen in awhile
>>76789364
Those "mercury free" vaccines still use mercury as a manufacturing process. There's a loophole so they don't have to declare it on the ingredients, but when you test for mercury levels it's still there.
>>76792356
Fluorine is highly electronegative and sticks to sodium like glue, disassociation isn't strong like sodium chloride is
>>76792494
sauce
>>76792076
>(xeno)estrogens
A water filter is not going to protect you from that because they are not found in water, they come from certain plants and make their way into the food chain via animals eating them
>>76792533
>Fluorine is highly electronegative and sticks to sodium like glue
You're right, but the fluorine still goes off on its own in solution. Hence why you can make a salt-bridge using sodium fluoride.
>>76788730
>There is no problem with giving your kids multiple vaccines at once.
Maybe. Maybe not. During the Republican debates Rand Paul and Ben Carson (both of whom are doctors) were asked this question. IIRC they both said they were in favor of vaccines but they they would spread them out.
The only advantage to batching them up is convenience. I'll trade convenience for peace of mind 99% of the time.
Oh, and...VOTE LEAVE!
>>76792494
Yea, they're labeled as "preservative free", they can only use "thimerisol free"if they're manufatured without it.
Plus, all multidose vials still use it.
>>76788730
B.S. Neuroscience reporting..
UCR Medical School class of 2020
>>76792013
I agree with you I'm just playing devil's advocate insofar as how much we should trust our legislators in regards to our health and safety.
>>76792815
That's valid reasoning I suppose. Just don't wait months/years spreading them out. A couple weeks gives the immune system enough time to do its thing and make antibodies and return to normal. Just hope your baby doesn't get coughed on within that time frame.
Kinda funny that the only people who think vaccines cause autism are the autists themselves.
>>76792206
>Mormons
>lowest rate of autism
[citation motherfucking needed because that's a bullshit claim]
>>76792815
The only argument against alternate vaccination schedules is "But what if they catch the disease while waiting to get the vaccine?" Fucking faggots. What if frogs didn't bump their asses when they hopped?
Truth is, it's more expensive to spread it out and insurance companies don't want to pay it.
>>76788730
Pharm student with a prior chem degree.
Pretty much this, senpai
>>76793371
I think its actually the Amish who have the lowest rate of autism
>>76793510
How would you even tell apart a functional Amish from an autistic one? Their life-style would be identical.
>>76790278
I am fairly certain they have, ages ago.
There's nothing wrong with vaccines. The problems u hear about r rare isolated cases.
>>76788730
herd immunity is a crock of shit
It only applies for some diseases in any effective way, and if it's at the point where a few people deciding not to get vaccinated will negate herd immunity - you never had herd immunity from that disease to begin with, just from the individuals who can't be immunized from it for their own medical reasons.
It gets trotted out constantly as the sole excuse for taking away people's right to decide what the fuck goes in their own bodies.
No. Fuck you. If I don't want a vaccine, you can't force me to take a vaccine. It is up to the individual to decide for themselves, and if they decide against it and get sick - too bad for them.
If they get someone else sick - first, why the fuck didn't they get immunized? and second, too fucking bad it's not up to the entirety of society to give up their fucking rights so a small minority don't get sick and die. If you're part of that minority YOU need to take precautions, not the rest of the fucking world you coddled manbabies.
>>76793651
kek, true, I'm just spreading a meme that was passed on to me
>>76793651
Kek
My friend's cat got sick and had a really high fever so he took it to the vet. The vet said it would be physically fine, but it might have brain damage. He looked at the vet and asked, "How would you know?"
>>76788866
Why though?
>>76788606
Depends, i didn't take swine flu vaccine, since whole case felt more like a big commercial for drug dealers. My fellow work partners and gf took it and they have pretty long and strong flues every year when mine lasts couple days. :^)
Fully tested and confirmed vaccines, sure I don't want to test my #YOLO luck with tetanus. :^)
>>76789279
Wtf
>>76793795
Let me drop some science on you, retard. When the herd is vaccinated, the virus has nowhere to go. It essentially gets eradicated. But then retards like you come around and refuse to vaccinate their kids. Your kids get infected.
The thing with viruses is they have very small genomes with an extremely high mutation rate. Meaning they can mutate to a point where our vaccine antibodies can't even detect them anymore and are useless. So your faggot/retard son coughs on us and we get the virus.
Like I said before, don't try to talk about shit you know nothing about. Herd immunity is a real issue.
>>76790084
Right what a dumbfuck
For fucks sake. Follow the vacine regime to a tee.
You dumb fucks are going to cause the next outbreak.
There are shit loads of auto immune comprimised people, they cannot get vacines, their only protection is you morons getting vacines and get your shitty kids vacinated.
>>76791660
So why are you bringing it up. I was talking about magnesium, not water.
>>76794097
So what you're saying is, vaccines are completely useless until we can vaccinate every single human on the planet, which will never happen.
>>76793795
If you want to live in our disease free society, you have to take a vaccine. If you don't like it, you can fuck off to Somalia where they dont have such pesky laws interfering with your personal freedom to catch AIDS
>>76794338
>which will never happen.
You know there are countries that have already accomplished it? 100% vacination rate of the native population. The only problem is dumbfuck foreign anti-vacs coming for a visit.
>>76793795
Fucking old ass fuckers like George Washington understood this. We live in the fucking future with public education and fucking morons like you overthink this shit.
Are you a immunization/disease doctor? No? Shut the fuck up.
Heard a theory about nut allergies becoming more of a thing because of vaccines there is some type of peanut oil or something and the body identifies it as a threat and continues to do so.
Any info?
>>76794097
I know how herd immunity actually works, while you only understand talking points from media, or maybe a 101 biology course.
Herd immunity is dependent on how virulent a disease is, the more easily it spreads, the greater the amount of the population needs to be immune for herd immunity to kick in.
Some diseases require just 50% of the population to be immune to dramatically retard growth, others require 90%+ which is completely unworkable just for logistics reasons.
The recent outbreaks of disease that get reported in the media are almost ALWAYS shitskin immigrants who not only never had any sort of vaccination, but also live in squalid conditions to begin with, and more vaccinations would not have changed a goddamn thing.
Idiots like you need to go live in the fucking USSR for awhile. Maybe enjoy what it's like with a government that can decide on a whim what is done with your body.
>>76794484
Thank you for proving my point. 8^)
>>76794338
I never said they're useless, but their end goal is to eventually eradicate the virus. With retards like you, the virus always has a potential host. We've pretty much eliminated paralytic polio from this planet because of childhood vaccines. It could be this way for a fuck load of other viruses too.
Honestly a perfect example of how often a virus can mutate is the flu. Immunologists every year have to guess what sort of shit the virus is gonna mutate into because people won't get their damn flu shot. So the virus continues to infect people and mutate and spread every year. They then have to try to develop a vaccine to cover all the possible mutations
>>76794338
>lowering the risk of infection of a dangerous virus is "useless"
Can you honestly say that?
>>76794487
Hey dumbass, I'm not arguing that you can't have your precious vaccines, only that you can't force other people to have them
As soon as you give that power to the government, you no longer own your body.
That loss of rights is being snuck in here under the guise of, "BUT VACCINES!!!"
No, fuck you. You want your vaccines, get them. Don't force them on everyone else with your herd immunity bullshit justification.
>>76788651
This is wrong, and dumb. You could have been less wrong by doing some research. http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/109/1/124.full
Babies could get 10,000 vaccines in a DAY. The human immune system is just that good.
>>76794489
It is a thing because parents do not expose their kids to anything anymore.
Throw your kid outside and shove pb in their face at a young age. If they are allergic anyway get antihistamines or an epi pen.
Human immune systems need exposure to shit or they over react.
>>76788756
You really can't think of one?
It's hard to get parents to show up for a SINGLE shot. Imagine saying "Oh, yeah, he should come back here once a month for a different shot each time."
I'M NOT MADE OF MONEY YOU KNOW
Goddamn, did you think before you asked this?
>>76794706
>I never said they're useless, but their end goal is to eventually eradicate the virus. With retards like you, the virus always has a potential host. We've pretty much eliminated paralytic polio from this planet because of childhood vaccines. It could be this way for a fuck load of other viruses too.
In other words, we've proven that vaccination programs can work effectively without taking away people's right to decide whether or not they get vaccinated.
If you want more people vaccinated, educate them.
Don't take away their right to decide and force them. Any doctor who actually thinks he has more right to decide what is done with a patient's body than the patient himself does, needs to go take another ethics course.
>>76794503
Diary of a bug chaser
And a fucking leaf no less
>>76794772
And then there's a 50/50 that the kid either becomes immune or dies from catching something. Parents who have their children constantly dying from certain diseases should stop breeding. Eugenics all the way.
>tfw never been vaccinated for anything
>been around chicken poxs
>flu
>some more flu
>even more flu
>tfw uncle had cow poxs
>hugged him
>didn't get sick
>some many sick people I've been around
>never got sick
>tfw only ever had colds
Fucking untermensch if we only sterilized weaklings like you we wouldn't need vaccines. Fuck you and your vaccines. Through out the third worlders, get on a proper diet free of all the artificial shit, keep up good physical condition by working. AND WASH YOUR FUCKING HANDS.
Most diseases spread because dirty fucks like you don't wash your hands often enough. The only reason we live longer today than 300 years ago is because we have proper hygiene i.e. Running water to wash yourselves with.
As humans we don't live much longer than our former ancestors. I can't tell you right now it's not because of some stupid vaccines.
t. Infectious disease Ph.D.
>>76788730
thanks anon
>>76794975
The government does not have the right to decide what goes in my body.
It is MY body. Not the government's body.
>>76794750
You're a fucking idiot. Shush.
>>76794975
>bug chaser
>post a communist hippie cartoon
Ok
>>76795227
not an argument
>tfw waiting for humanity to create superbug immune to antibiotics and vaccines
>>76795264
What did he mean by this
>>76795295
This
>born in 1994
>maybe one of the last to get chicken pox
>>76794706
>yes, good goy! get your flu shot every year hehehe
>>76794706
>I never said they're useless
Yes you did, and you say so again in this post. If a virus can change and be unnoticable to the vaccine, then that vaccine is only useful when an outbreak is occuring.
Polio was supposedly eradicated like 30 years ago. Wasn't there a worldwide campaign that sent doctors to almost ever corner of the globe with vaccines? Oh wait that didn't actually work, because viri can jump host species.
The flu will always mutate, we will always have some form of it moving through the human population. Trying to find a vaccine for something that is going to be different every year is stupid, and the amount of mercury people are injecting themselves with year after year does add up.
What we should be doing is teaching people how to not spread their sickness, and how to improve the functionality of their immune systems.
>>76794894
aren't you that one country that's both literally on fire and now made bestiality legal?
>>76788660
Fuck off
>Muh body
>Muh rules
>>76795191
Anti-vax movement got retards to question how exactly they're not dying of communicable disease, and as a result put paranoia into the populace, you fuckers are going to be the downfall of the modern age, antibiotics becoming less and less effective, no decent anti-virals in the last two decades. Anti-biotic resistance sharply rising with no solution in sight, and you want the right to spread that to other people, because muh body muh rules. Please tell me this is bait, I refuse to believe.
>Considering tetanus
I really hope this recent rash of vaccine posts is trolling. Why anyone would reject science and cling to a retarded unproven belief is beyond me. They deserve to be lumped in with radical Christians that think prayer can cure diseases.
If your child got rabbies, would you get them a shot or watch them die a painful death?
>But muh papers
Disproven. The one "doctor" made up hundreds of his trial subjects, received undercover payments from groups challenging big pharma, and then lost his license
>But MUH toxins
Anything that isn't the dormant virus itself is considered a toxin in the vaccine. Water is a toxin in a vaccine. But you still drink it
>But mercury...
Less amounts than in fish
>But MUH autism
This is a retarded belief and the most enjoyable irony is watching some kid with autism get fucking measles because his mom was so liberal fagot
>But MUH rights
Wrong. Some sick kids can't stand a dormant virus injected into them. They will be fine as long as 99% of people around them are vaccinated; if not something simple like Measles could KILL them
>But my dormant virus
Flu vaccines are made of the same concept. Penicillin was discovered from mold. Smallpox was discovered initially from cowpox I believe?
>But my kid has autism and
Conditions like this aren't fully understood. Autism is a spectrum disorder, and it's impact varies from kid to kid
Tl;Dr fucking leave society if you want to try to drag everyone back with you to 1812 just because you think you're being intellectual and edgy
>>76795295
This pic always fucks with me.
>>76790309
I concede this point. You have won
>>76791809
Check with your doc, they keep records of immunizations
>>76788606
Holy shit get your fucking kid vaccinated you fucking retard, you will get your kid infected with diseases that should be completely gone by now due to your dumbass believing fucking hicks who think global warming isn't real.
>>76795667
>Anti-vax movement got retards to question how exactly they're not dying of communicable disease, and as a result put paranoia into the populace, you fuckers are going to be the downfall of the modern age, antibiotics becoming less and less effective, no decent anti-virals in the last two decades. Anti-biotic resistance sharply rising with no solution in sight, and you want the right to spread that to other people, because muh body muh rules. Please tell me this is bait, I refuse to believe.
There's no reason not to question it, and questioning it is a good thing. The proper response is to answer them and educate.
The incorrect response is to invalidate people's rights and force them to vaccinate.
I understand this is a difficult concept for totalitarian cocksuckers in the UK to understand, but not everyone in the world has to beg their daddy government for the right to do anything.
If you want to be immunized against a virus, go and get the vaccine.
If you can't get immunized for whatever reason, then you need to take proper precautions to keep yourself from getting the disease.
If your "proper precautions" means taking away everyone else's rights and forcing them to do what you want, then I'm sorry bud, but you're going to meet the ugly end of a shotgun from people who disagree with you.
>>76795295
This image is giving me a headache.
>>76796089
poor man's basilisk hack
>>76788606
Poor baby
Its a paid Reddit pharma shill episode
i have epilepsy, and so i can't get vaccinated for MMR. i actually do depend on herd immunity. every time some retard decides not to vaccinate themselves or their kids because of some bullshit lie 15 years ago, it puts my life in danger.
if you don't want to get vaccinated, then i should be legally allowed to defend myself against you.
>>76795945
Ok m80, you go ahead and don't get vaccinated. When you're dying please remember this post with fond memories as you gasp for air. I'm only trying to help you anon, but you've got your own self destruction button and if you're eager to push that then go ahead, one less retard in the world. My problem comes with spreading it to people that didn't want to be infected, children, the elderly, people with compromised immune systems, you're essentially walking around handing whatever you have to everyone in the near vicinity.
>>76796663
How about you actively take protective measures that don't involve forcibly taking other people's rights away?
There's more justification for shooting you attempting to force needles into people than you shooting everyone who didn't get vaccinated.
>>76796767
>Ok m80, you go ahead and don't get vaccinated.
This is what retarded cucks like you can't seem to grasp. Not only am I vaccinated already, I don't disagree with vaccination at all.
What I disagree with is forcing everyone else to be vaccinated for the sake of a minority, whether those people want it or not. You do not have the right to force shit into other people's bodies, and they have every right to use force to protect themselves if you try.
And seriously, what are you going to do - try to throw all these people in jail? Maybe outright murder them? If they don't want your fucking vaccine, too bad for you.
>>76788606
ok, med student here:
Vaccinate your child man, there is no risk.
The problem is that in america the medical care is a bussines, and you are the costumer so it is very overpriced,
>>76796814
>Current year
>Walk into room with one guy with a needle trying to inject something into another guy who's struggling with him.
>Shoot the guy without the needle
>>76789063
That's actually what OP is doing. Kill yourself.
>>76797107
>mexican medical student
>having any credibility with medicine
>>76797106
>No, I want diseases to kill people
Given the opportunity to eradicate a disease you'd rather not, I guess the virus, bacterium, spores have rights to.
>>76796814
>How about you actively take protective measures
i explained it in the very first sentence of my post. i cannot get the MMR vaccine because i have epilepsy. herd immunity is designed to protect people who are medically unable to be vaccinated, like me. and every retard who decides not to vaccinate harms herd immunity, and harms me.
>There's more justification for shooting you attempting to force needles into people than you shooting everyone who didn't get vaccinated.
why is my right to self-defense worth less than the right for a retard to not vaccinate? why do i have to sit here and let a retard kill me without recourse?
if your neighbor started burning trash in his yard, causing damage to your house and health problems for you and your family, would you stop him?
>>76797106
>What I disagree with is forcing everyone else to be vaccinated for the sake of a minority, whether those people want it or not. You do not have the right to force shit into other people's bodies, and they have every right to use force to protect themselves if you try.
>And seriously, what are you going to do - try to throw all these people in jail? Maybe outright murder them? If they don't want your fucking vaccine, too bad for you.
Agree with you 100%. But don't expect to enroll your child in a public school. Don't bring them to hospitals. Don't bring them to Waterparks or theme parks. Just shouting MUH RIGHTS does not give you some fucked up priceledge over a "minority" that is too sick to receive the vaccine
Whether you want it or not, you're part of a society and the well being of a society is paramount to your lil leafy feelings. You can't run around naked, you can't start randomly shooting people, and if you don't fucking like it, go leave society. This is what pisses me off about leafs; they're all too young to grasp a concept of giving back to a society that in any remote way enables your existence. Vaccinate or fuck off. Until then vaccinate your fucking kid or don't have one.
>>76797112
It's amazing how effective the propaganda is though.
They snuck it all in under this vaccines cause autism shit. Vaccines causing autism is probably bullshit - what I've read into strongly suggested it was actually increased SSRI (anti-depressant) use in pregnant women that was the root cause of skyrocketing autism.
Not only does the vaccines = autism bullshit cover that up pretty good, but it's a nice vehicle for stripping away yet more rights while also enriching the select few corporations that land the vaccine contracts. Automatically billions of dollars for whatever corporations get on that contractor list, whether their vaccines are worth shit or not.
All this bullshit smelled fishy as fuck to me, and after examining the ethical considerations, in addition to possible ulterior motives, I ultimately rejected the propganda that was being pushed. I don't disagree with vaccination, but it MUST be voluntary.
To be fair, I'm vaccinated so I'm ok with you not being vaccinated.
Also I find it hilarious when people don't get vaccinations and they get sick.
So yeah... Go ahead and don't get vaccinated pussy.
