What would be the economic and political effects of building a space elevator in America?
>>76760861
As if neckbeards on 4chan would know.
It would be fucking retarded.
>>76761240
This is /pol/, I expect some of you to have some insight
I remember reading some shit about how one point on the equator wouldn't work. It would have to span the entire circumference and swing around it. We might as well just start working on a dyson sphere.
>>76760861
No material strong enough to build it.
Also van hallen belts are a massive radiation hazard
We never went to space
>>76761512
>This is /pol/
>I expect some of you to have some insight
>>>/r/eddit
>>76761745
The earth is flat so it would work.
>>76760861
They would build the first space McDonald's
>>76761902
>tfw dominating the fast food exomarket
AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!
>>76761745
Nigger, how are you going to construct a Dyson Sphere when you can't efficiently move goods into space?
>Cable snaps
>Falls to the earth, destroying whatever is below it
Eh, no thanks.
Red pill me on space /pol/
We used to have beautiful space elevator threads before the massive influx of redditors and high schoolers about a few years ago
>>76762446
Space is an illusion, our entire universe actually exists on the very edge of the event horizon of a black hole.
>>76761775
A: Apollo went around the most intense portion of the belts via a highly inclined orbit
B: If you move through them quick enough exposure is minimal.
They do present a problem with space elevators though, as the elevator would have to be equatorial, and no doubt rather slow to ascend.
Also there's a problem of getting a massive enough object for a counterweight, and if the cable breaks RIP everyone living on the equator.
>>76762224
That's why the center of mass is above geostationary orbit. If the cable snaps (it won't) it will remain roughly where it is.
I think we're a long ways off from having the carbon nanotube manufacturing ability to make this a possibility. Though if anyone is going to build it it'll be the private sector or the US government after one of the asteroid mining firms start a new "gold rush"
>>76762224
You anchor it deep into Cayambe. If there is a cable failure, it falls on Ecuador so no one really cares.
>>76761745
>lel. What is crawling and what is Hussein Bolt
>>76760861
Enormous. We would have a very good shot at dominating space exploration and exploitation for a long time
>>76760861
All of them.
>>76762492
Space Elevator still does thread on 8ch*n last I checked.
>>76760861
poverty and ridicule, respectively
>>76760861
Did you not notice that the equator doesn't cross the United States? We'd need to grab new clay.
>>76761775
Teslaphoresis is looking like a promising way to self assemble carbon nanotubes, which would be strong enough.
>after 9 years of construction and several hundreds of billions of dollars finally done
>some muslims fly a plane into it couple months later
>>76763294
Carbon nanotubes aren't strong enough though.
And anything going there would get a fuckton of radiation and either die or be fried (for flesh and circuitry respectively)
>>76763194
Too bad the server over there sucks so much. Feels like I'm using a telegraph to post.
>>76762978
If the cable breaks it will wrap around the entire equator like a yo-yo string.
Don't you guys realize the earth is flat and a space elevator is pointless since space only extends 20 miles above the earth
Won't that slow down the rotation of the earth?
Perhaps if it was attached to the equator with it running to the moon to act as a counterweight.
The cable would have to be able to move freely, so constructing a rail system around the belt of the planet? with a similar system for the moon (It is locked facing us)
Of course barring next-gen materials you gon need Dora gun tier rails
The dream of an absolute madman...
>>76760861
The structure would have to be stiff and structurally unsound. Else it'd swing around like a yo yo
>>76762224
Actually I don't think all of it would fall down, it would move with earth's rotation, like a tail. It'd become a gigantic safety hazard for any future space operations though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPQQwqGWktE
@04:40
>>76762446
its a jewish conspiracy to keep us on earth producing shekels instead of flying around and breathing space air which exists
>>76763449
>>76763403
Shielding might help.
Carbon nanotubes aren't strong enough?
Explain.
>>76763449
That's a good thing, we will have more time to shitpost.
>>76763516
http://gassend.net/spaceelevator/breaks/
>>76762845
That would only happen if it snaps perfectly. You have to account for the size this cable would have to be to support an elevator that is worth a shit.
The cable would have to be heavily partitioned with a very robust series of counter weights instead of one big one at the end. Even then there will still need to be supporting structures for the part of the cable closest to the Earth.
>won't snap
If you ignore all the social issues that are going to be surrounding it, sure. Something this massive would be prime for a terror attack. It would also require heavy legislation to keep it maintained.
>>76762978
Guess it depends on how long we are talking. I don't think it would just land on Ecuador. Also if it lands in the Ocean you can expect some gigantic waves.
>>76761775
This, the Earth is flat you dumb spherecucks
>>76763431
No one along that path we really care about anyway.
>>76763560
>what are physics
>>76763672
What about a space fountain instead?
Why not just build a curved-line elevator that matches the rotating forces of the earth?
>>76763508
What about the variation in the distance between the Earth and the Moon?
>>76763403
> Irish talking utter crap about space.
What a surprise.
>>76760861
Ask Halo
In 2 the space elivatirs collapsed and they touched on it a bit in the book as to what happened because of that
Rockets will be cheaper by the time it's even possible to build a space elevator
>>76763788
Even more meme-tier
>lel let's shoot a bunch of shit lke we were fucking tubgirl, it gets us to space promise ;^)
What if the world tips and falls over?
>>76761775
Van Allen belt you ignorant zuppa di semem nero.
You can't even name it properly your idiotic conspiracy theory crap is dismissed.
>>76762731
It would actually need to be significantly outside of the event horizon for the earth to exist.
Don't get me wrong, our entire universe could be circling the drain of some black hole so massive that we couldn't even begin to comprehend right now, but we'd need to be a bit further out than the event horizon to actually exist.
>>76763398
>retarded liberals were the ones pushing it because IT'S 2036 AND SCIENCE AND SHIT!
>they finally get pissed after they bet everything they had on it
>allow the rest of the world to go full DEUS VULT
If only
>>76763666
Yeah I saw this too when I google'd about it.
This is the scenario I've heard the most about, whereas the Kurzgesagt scenario was a first for me.
Satan trips checked.
>>76763897
muh Skylon
>>76762731
>>76763516
You need to keep in mind that different parts of the cable will be experiencing different forces due to earth's gravity.
i.e: Cable parts closer to earth experience more "pull" than the cable farther from the earth. This will introduce all kinds of structural issues.
So the cable would likely break in multiple places once any part of it fails. Some goes flying away, some stays in orbit, and some falls back onto Earth.
>>76763788
Energy required to keep it up seems to be the big problem.
>>76763957
Everything is meme tier until we accomplish it.
Why do you hate space? Is it because you can't tell where mecca is?
>>76760861
AAE here. It would be disastrous, since it's impossible to do at this latitude.
It's also impossible to do with current materials, so...
>>76763885
Hmm maybe that is why I hate this idea. Read those books so long ago and it just stuck with me.
Why don't we just have a shit-ton of balloons lift crap into space. Save money and time
>>76763666
>anchored to one point while the planetary body stays in place
Horrible representation
>>76763672
>Something this massive would be prime for a terror attack.
True. That is why we can never progress as a species until Muslims are wiped out for good.
Purge Islam. Then build elevator.
>>76763449
Almost immeasurably. Also the earth's rotation is always slowing.
Anonymous from 2047 here
Al, this whitey mirrorweb sucks, I've been trying to send this back for the past halfhour.
India will build the first space elevator. Yes India. It's crazy how things have changed. This might not be true now that I've said this due to butterfly effect and shit.
![Space_fountain-v1.1[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/yJqSzCW.png "Space_fountain-v1.1[1].png")
>>76763788
Uh, something tells me it is just as meme of an idea.
>>76763864
Indeed.
This cross section here, red being the rail itself, blue the cable.
Having it extend below the surface to a reasonable depth, with the yellow star representing a mechanism that controls the slack in the cable.
Since it is a cable, and not a solid tower, it would theoretically be able to bend and so forth with wind and variations in distance.
When the gravitational forces are strong the gold star gives slack to the line and vise versa
>>76764426
Did they build it so they can poo from the top of it?
>>76762845
>
>That's why the center of mass is above geostationary orbit. If the cable snaps (it won't) it will remain roughly where it is.
>roughly where it is
Everything below the breakage would crash into the earth. Everything above would also, eventually, crash into the earth, due to air resistance, unless the break was very high
>>76760861
I think iv heard that it would need to be built in the ocean but I can't remember why. If the US built it economically the benefit to the US would be that they would control and profit from all space activity. I'm sure plenty of nations would then either build their own or continue with rockets for sensitive missions. Regardless we don't have the technology.
>>76764356
Then you have leftists doing it because "muh space pollution" "muh megacorps in space"
And back to step one
>>76764356
Even if you purge the mudslimes, the nogs would also find a way to fuck it up.
Also got to think about who we put in charge of this shit. Government employees aren't known for their, uh, career expertise.
It just has to be really redundant. Retard proof. Human proof...
>>76764217
Let's make more energy then.
>>76764426
Nah, now that you've said that CERN will conquer the world with control over time travel you faggot.
>>76764506
I don't understand why that picture came up. I don't have it saved.
>>76762492
It's a shame
>>76764480
Everything looks shitty in ms paint.
I was merely proposing alternatives.
>>76760861
Hey guise, wouldn't a space elevator cable make a massive whooshing sound as it cuts through atmosphere?
What about a space escalator?
I'm sure the chinese could handle it.
>>76764772
It's geostationary you faggot.
Does anybody here actually even science?
We could also propose an uncontrolled 'bungee jump'
If you pressurize enough material, water air whatever and use it as a cannon to launch goods into low orbit where a space station capable of catching the goods with pure math calculations, magnetic fields, a net or whatever.
If it's not organic it won't get BTFO on the 1000m/s journey.
>>76764742
Not everything looks like a space dick either.
In all seriousness, though, it would require a lot of energy to work. I don't see that being too viable.
I imagine some type of giant railgun will end up being the next best thing to getting shit in space.
>lets go to space guys!
>everyone hop in the railcannon! Off we go!
Sounds fun.
>>76764512
Is this a joke from then?
>>76764597
I'd imagine they'd already have it done
>>76764716
Sorry, I'm probably coiting with the thread
>>76764325
Because we're almost out of helium
>>76762783
The cable would have to be built like a fiber, it would float to the ground, not wrap around the planet destroying everything.
As well, depending on where the break occurs, most of the cable could fly off into space with the counterweight.
>>76765118
Nope. The hard part of getting into orbit isn't altitude, but horizontal velocity. Plus the stuff would slow down far too much for it to get into orbit
>build space elevator
>one of the grandest achievements on mankind
>government flies a plane into it to justify war with some shithole nobody cares about
fund it
>>76763449
It's more likely to introduce a wobble into the earth's orbit
It'd probably take millions or billions of years to develop.
>>76765332
RAILGUN ON EVEREST BITCH
MAH BOOMSTICK
>>76760861
Communism.
Since we're already talking about science n sheit, what are your thoughts on this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space-based_solar_power
>>76760861
considering the average American weighs 400 pounds and it costs like $3,000 to send a pound into space and a space elevator would cut that down to like $300 dollars a pound that just makes sense from economic perspective
>>76765543
Great for first world corporations to sell electricity to 3rd world countries (africa) who can't build their own shit (africa) without any danger of the power plant being fucking wrecked by the natives (africa).
I just thought of this
Anyone read about Mark Z trying to give niggers wifi through weather balloons.
An elevator doesn't need to be a continuous system
Maybe getting packages say 10-20 kg in weight would be viable by a large space station that has a retractable hook of sorts. when it bypasses high altitude balloons it skyhooks a package and retracts it back into the station?
>>76765543
If SimCity taught me anything, that nearby city will get obliterated.
>>76763440
Nigger wut.
>>76763536
Nigger wut.
Grow 100km of carbon nano tubes.
Capture a NEO to serve as counterweight.
Build a climber with an on board nuclear reactor.
Drain Van Allen belts of their radiation, just like draining a swamp.
I wouldn't be surprised if I died before they built one, desu, but I believe one will be built one day.
Now a hyperloop, that I WISH they would build but I know they won't.
>Sitting in an elevator for 22,000 miles
You fags and your fancy contraptions. I would just build a giant tower on everest as high as I can go then use a rail gun to shoot things into space.
>>76760861
Not much at first, but as humans spread out into space the country with the elevator will become increasingly rich.
Asteroid metals / minerals and cheap solar power coming down will massively improve worldwide standards of living.
>>76765543
A giant deathray constantly shooting at the planet, what could go wrong?
>>76765144
Anything would be more efficient than our current system.
I wouldn't mind being shit into space.
>>76766003
>Stuck in an elevator full of Pajeets for 22,000 miles.
Opening the doors would be like in The Shining, but it would be poo.
What would we use the elevator for?
Space stations? New space housing?
I wonder if we can create an artificial planet
>>76766231
>I wouldn't mind being shit into space.
You are already shit on Earth anon
>>76761775
Certainly no Italians have.
>>76766274
Your mum already did mate
>>76766209
>>76765807
It's nothing like that though.
>>76764325
Eventually the balloon rises to a height at which its weight is the same as the surrounding air. At this point it stops rising.
>>76766329
Shot*
I deserve that.
>>76766404
>Implying anything can be lighter than a balloon
>>76766561
Your brain.
>>76765792
Would snap under its own weight long before even touching clouds.
>>76764325
Getting into space isn't hard, it's only 100km straight up.
The hard part is getting enough horizontal speed to keep from falling back down.
The complexity of trying to lift a payload massive enough to get the rest of the way into orbit on a balloon or even airplane is more difficult and expensive than just using a rocket the whole way.
>>76765249
Use hot air or hydrogen
>>76766919
No when it's high enough it can expel it's own gas as a propellant.
:)
>>76765249
That's a common misconception.
>>76766404
>>76766826
Once the balloon is up there just have someone chuck the satellite as far as they can, that should do the trick.
>>76763646
>Carbon nanotubes aren't strong enough?
>Explain.
they're not strong enough
the constant force of the earth and counterweight pulling away from eachother would be tremendous
>>76767117
Sounds good
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HaW-ccCcck
>>76765943
32 million miles*
>>76767383
>the uploader has not made this video available in your country
>>76767132
You'd need the tower to be high already, Everest high, it can only go so high.
Using carbon tubes, maybe from the mid stratosphere they could build a cosmodome
>>76767488
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2191440/Anyone-space-tennis-Astronauts-throw-spherical-satellite-orbit-spacewalk.html
>>76760861
> burger thinks it would work
Is that just a shitpost or is your educational system really that bad?
>>76767132
It depends on the specs to which you build the elevator, you complete and utter moron.
The absolute minimum it would need to support is its own weight as tensile strength
ما شاء الله عليه بالإعدام إلى الكفار أن نكون صادقين
>>76762224
It would burn up in the atmosphere you stupid fuck
>>76760861
You cant make a space elevator.
There are to many engineering feats
>now a capsule that is fired into space using a rail gun design would be much more feasible
>and exciting
>>76768200
>being this autistic
>>76766395
That will be more of a perfect sattelite weapon. Sending microwave beams to the surface.
>>76768200
Just send up a giant basketball hoop and get some niggers to run the trajectories and were in bussines
>>76765807
>literally getting your understanding of the world from videogames
are you a libtard?
>>76767383
>>76767117
wouldn't cause any problems desu
It's an extra +/-20m/s at MOST, won't effect the actual orbit enough to matter, no matter what direction or how hard he throws it.
>>76768075
>material strong enough to withstand the insane amounts of gravitational tension the cable would experience, as well as support an elevator carrying thousands of pounds of material into space
>burn up in atmosphere if it snaps
I'm the stupid fuck? Ok, champ.
>>76763871
>Irish
How do you fuck the flags up?
>>76761853
>the earth is flat
Then what would the purpose of building itif space travel is impossible?
>>76768537
>>76768647
Well I dont see you faggots coming up with any ideas.
A rail gun would be more feasible.
All you would need to receive the projectile is a space station that is equipped with powerful magnets to slow it down and stop it.
Travel time would be amazing.
But then again you would have to ask what the fuck is worth going up there for anyways.
>>76761775
Mexican "intellectuals"
>>76771668
THATS FUCKING ITALY.
>>76760861
space elevator is the shittest idea ever, better keep working on those landing rockets and single stage to orbit airplanes
>>76764325
the problem isnt getting shit up, but putting it in orbit
>>76772651
Use a cannon once you get up there with a balloon
>>76767383
the iss already goes fast like sonic you dumby
>>76762446
Space is literally the most stupid thing there is
>>76771668
>autism the post
>>76760861
Why don't we use electromagnets and just shoot people into space?
Certainly this would be easier to control than rockets, and more feasible than an elevator?
>>76772998
>space is haram
>>76760861
You would need self repairing metal before a space elevator could be viable and it would need to be able to have some flex otherwise the elevator will snap due to brittleness.
>>76760861
the earth is flat
>>76760861
true stroy
>>76761512
>This is /pol/, I expect some of you to have some insight
>>76764716
Some times 4chan mixes images up some times. Your pic is where ever that one should be.
>this thread
>so many imbeciles who don't know anything
And you people are allowed to vote, fuck.
>>76760861
Getting stuff to and from space super cheap would open up the way for economically viable asteroid mining and therefore opening up an avenue for the US to be completely free from reliance on Chinese rare metals. The exploitation of outer space would be truly open for the first time.
Just one thing, Space Elevators would be easier to construct closer to the equator so you guys would have to build it in Texas or one of the other Southern states.
>>76761745
I may be assuming too much, but did you just suggest building a Dyson sphere... around... the Earth?
>>76761775
Shut up I bet you're a Grillino
Komplotto
>>76768537
there is a proposal to use a giant compressed gas gun to launch fuel pods into orbit for interplanetary missions that is A LOT more feasible than space elevators. G forces are to high for passengers or equipment, but it would save tons of weight on the launch vehicle.
http://phys.org/news/2010-01-space-cannon-payloads-orbit-video.html
In my opinion, the main goal of the scientific community should be planning to intercept and establish a human presence around our nearest neighbors as they pass nearby.
>>76760861
You would somehow have to precisely design this "space elevator" or space elevator station to orbit earth in perfect synchronization with the ground such that your cable remains taught and doesn't get wound up around the earth.
You also can't create too much tension that your cable breaks, you're talking about putting a thin cable between two huge ass masses
>>76772998
why did i laugh at this
I made a diagram
>>76763672
>UN builds a space elavator
>Achmed Mohamed Abdin is the security advisor
>Djambo Utombo is the technical advisor
>Pajeet Aardish is the sanitation advisor
>Wang Lin is safety advisor
>Justin Treadeau is diversity advisor
What could go wrong?
>>76784406
If one of these fucking would didn't destroy half the world. I'd wanna watch it happen.
