/pol/, I'm a liberal. I think the vast majority of you are utter retards trading in simplistic narratives, outdated rubrics, and personal insecurities.
But Hillary Clinton is everything I hate about Donald Trump. There's no significant difference between them when it comes to international hawkishness, soulless capitalism, or even social issues (Trump is a liberal masquerading as a conservative; sorry, Stormfags).
So here I am, the prodigal Bernout, come to ask you for the first time with an open heart: why should I vote for Trump in November?
(before you characterize me as pic related, please know I've been coming to 4chan for ten years and so I've never tried to win an argument with "that's racist!")
>>76757174
If you're still a liberal after browsing 4chan for 10 years you haven't lurked hard enough.
>>76757295
It's more nuanced than that but /pol/ in its degenerancy would call be liberal.
How long you been here, buddy? Still haven't accepted it's not a hivemind?
>simplistic narratives, outdated rubrics, and personal insecurities
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>>76757496
Didn't I just imply I don't waste time with identity politics?
The only fuckers stupid enough to do that are millenials and the altright.
Vote for who you want to, idiot. Please stop trying to beg for attention from 4chan, I don't give a flying fuck if you vote for or against anybody.
>>76757174
fellow liberal here.
i'm considering voting for trump because i'm pretty confident it will destroy the democratic party, which will in turn pave the way for an actual liberal political party in the usa. the two-party system needs to die in a big fucking hurry.
>>76757469
>everyone here must buy into the Jew conspericy
Merit and Character above all else. No other metric need apply.
>/pol/ is one person
Fuck out of here cunt. If you cannot research reasons why you should or should not vote for a candidate you've failed your due diligence as an American voter. Both my picks lost the GOP race because they don't have the cult of personality like Trump has. Use your head for more than just a rack for your trilby and neck beard faggot.
>>76757174
>why should i vote for trump in november?
You wanted an outsider, one who knows how tracks are greased between politics and business. He is it. Trump isn't the free money beatnick of Vermont, but he has pratical expirence outside of Washington. Clinton has been in the system for decades but still tries to act like she is a breath of fresh air.
>trump is a liberal masquerading as a conservative
How? From everything we have seen in this wacky election cycle he is a populist with right wing leanings. How is Trump's goal to bring business back to America the same as Clinton's desire to execute the coal industry?
>>76758211
I concur. I actually hope Bernie stay in, not because I think he'll win, but clearly the Democrats need to be shown they have to provide a real alternative to neocon governance.
>>76758230
Oh hush I just want to be pitched to I've been paying attention this whole cycle.
>>76758250
I meant on social issues specifically. As for their economic plans, I'll freely admit to not really knowing what I prefer. I've read enough to know I don't understand the economy at all and those aren't my top priorities.
His being an outsider is advertising, not an actual argument for his potential quality.
>>76757174
>personal insecurities
Literally going for people's character.
>outdated rubrics
Literally the current year.
>soulless capitalism
No commentary.
>Trump is a liberal masquerading as a conservative
The first two amendments are usually not the strong suit of liberals.
Has Bernieposting gone too far?
>>76758639
>on social issues
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/healthcare-reform
Decide for yourself if they really are the same.
>potential quality
That is entirely subjective. Clinton's "qualifications" were a shaky tenure as SoS during the first Obama administration. During which Bengazi and a private email server were swept under the rug.
Trump has created a business empire that is internationally recognized. He knows how to negotiate. Sure some ventures failed, but they didn't violate State Department regulations or get anybody killed. Nor is he calling for this continued Cold War extension that Clinton wants to go with for no reason.
>>76757174
When you say you are a liberal, what do you mean? Are you for helping the poor through social programs? Well, consider this:. Illegal immigrants are the worst thing for the working poor. Poor people, those who want to work, are directly competing with illegal immigrants for jobs, and illegals will generally work for less, or under the table, which means no health insurance for the employer. If you really want to help the poor in this country, stopping illegal immigration is one of the best ways to do so. You wouldn't need a $15 minimum wage at McDonald's if construction, farm work, and other jobs where staffed with citizens instead of immigrants, who artificially keep wages for the positions at the bottom of society low. And, since the employers have to provide their employees with health insurance, that is less of a burden on the poor as well. And by the way, immigrants are GUNNA TAKE YUR JERB as well unless we cap H1B visas, eg Disney replacing yeah workers with people from India with half the salary. This practice of using H1B visa workers affects the overall salary prospects of price just leaving college right now. The only 2 candidates who want to limit H1B visas? Bernie and Trump.
>>76759590
I agree with all that, but while Trump's failings may not have Clinton's consequences, they certainly would once he's president.
I have no reason to think the egoist that launched Trump U won't be the same person with our nuclear arsenal in his back pocket.
>inb4 racist judge
Fuck the judge. It baffles me any of you can read the particulars of that case and not conclude on your own it was a scam.
>>76757174
How about you expand on your liberal ideals and why you adhere, so that we may discuss them instead of slinging empty ad hominems at us. You may not have said 'that's racist!" but what you did say wasn't objectively any better.
>>76759917
I actually don't care about immigrants much. I sort of see it as a waste of time to debate when the biggest waste of resources I see is our military budget. If we cut that in half we could pretty much address all other concerns without straining businesses. As far as immigration goes, I believe the analysis that mass deportation is just impractical.
>>76760082
I don't really want to debate my values. I know they're unrealistic. For example, I'm a Christcuck who actually knows what that means so I'm a strict pacifist. Ain't no major party gonna take my position, so I really only brought it up to give a general idea of what kind of recipient I made to Trump's candidacy.
>>76758639
You should really educate yourself on economics. You should understand what socialists want and why Bernie would oust a fuckton of production outside America if his plan is just tax the rich. Why Hollande populist 75% tax failed. Why "soulless capitalism" helped millions out of poverty and why statism corruption and "hope" destroyed Greece. Why the hated Chicago Boys and Thatcher have created wealthy economies and why lovable populists like Chavez/Maduro ruined theirs. No, it's not just evil imperialist America at fault
>>76760082
>>76760674
But if you want me to elaborate, /pol/ interprets people based on their traits, usually one above all others. For example:
>A FUCKING LEAF
I believe this is unscientific, that no single trait can account for the behavior of an individual, hence simplistic narratives and outdated rubrics. As for personal insecurities, I think that usually informs which trait you wind up deciding is most significant, be it racial, sexual, whatever.
>>76758451
Then it is meaningless to try and pitch donald trump
>>76760836
I'm not a socialist, man. But capitalism, especially neoconservative capitalism, definitely sucks. I've read plenty of arguments for every system, some retarded and some genius, and I've concluded that it's an indecipherable conundrum. Any individual example is as much a product of its unique context as its economic organization, the failure of which every single proponent will always excuse it as not the real deal. Maybe you understand it, god bless if so, but I honestly think it's like religion and all equally unlikely.
>>76761144
Well, I've been actively resisting him so far. Maybe now I'll see something I didn't.
>>76760082
>asking for arguments about why he should vote for a candidate
>not much better than using dats rayciss as way if trying to win an argument
You're a retard
>>76759590
>4. Allow individuals to use Health Savings Accounts (HSAs). Contributions into HSAs should be tax-free and should be allowed to accumulate. These accounts would become part of the estate of the individual and could be passed on to heirs without fear of any death penalty. These plans should be particularly attractive to young people who are healthy and can afford high-deductible insurance plans. These funds can be used by any member of a family without penalty. The flexibility and security provided by HSAs will be of great benefit to all who participate.
and then i read shit like this and remember why i can't in good conscience vote for trump. this is indefensible.
without shame, he suggests that we should implement a public health system that SPECIFICALLY caters to young people in good health from wealthy families. it reads like straight-up satire.
i'm a christcuck like OP, so i unironically care about the welfare of the poor. you are free to not care about them. but at least have the balls to admit that's what you're about.
so i take that 50% of that 4chan browsing is /b/ and the other /h/?
>>76757627
>I'm a liberal
>You are retards
>I don't do identity politics
Are you retarded?
>>76761866
/co/ and various porn boards. Why, is /b/ liberal these days?
>>76761857
God bless, brother. This is the shit that makes Trump utterly unacceptable to me. That and his hilariously incompetent pretense of being a devoit Christian.
>>76762049
Are you claiming retard as part of your identity?
It always comes down to a giant douche and a shit sandwich
>>76757174
>I think the vast majority of you are utter retards trading in simplistic narratives, outdated rubrics, and personal insecurities.
smug faggot still paying off worthless college education detected
>>76757174
> international hawkishness, soulless capitalism, or even social issues
Negotiating with other countries from a position of power is not hawkish; it's what we should have been doing from the very start. Trade deals of the past have stripped the USA of blue collar jobs and have given them to 2nd and 3rd world countries where workers almost literally work like slaves.
If it's war you're worried about, Trump is not a saber rattling buffoon like Dubya and his neo-con cronies were. Those very same Republicans are the ones that were trying to sabotage Trump at every possible moment they could (this is the same camp of neo-cons that Hillary belongs to btw). Trump is a businessman that understands that war is bad for the economy. He also isn't owned by Boeing, BAE, and Lockheed; he's not beholden to their lobbyists. For goodness sake, he said he would even talk with Putin. What kind of warmonger owned by the military industrial complex would say that?
I assume you're a socialist so I'm not going to bother selling you on capitalism. The system that we have today has been taken over by oligarchs because they use government to get rid of their competition. Trump aims to make small businesses more competitive by placing tariffs on imported goods so that large corporations can't use slave labor in other countries to make their cheap products (Wal-mart for example).
Social issues. The wall is not inhumane. Look at how many lives the drugs trade claims on a daily basis. That has to stop. Human smuggling has to stop. Immigrants from other countries have to stop cutting in line of those that come here legally. To be for illegal immigration and anti-wall is to be for the drugs trade and human smuggling.
What is Hillary for? No one knows really... All she seems to spout is Trump hate and identity politics these days.
>>76757174
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U20DMF9qe3s
Question: Do you think Trump is a racist? If so, why?
>>76758230
Literally you
>>76757174
>OP asks question
>disregards and contradicts every answer
Fuck you, faggot
>>76762672
Okay, I'll totally cop to this.
>>76757174
>There's no significant difference between them when it comes to international hawkishness,
WRONG. Trump is an isolationist. Listen to his foreign policy speech. It will make you a Trump supporter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePlopVAV6Hc
Also, Bernie? Seriously? Fuck off commie faggot.
>>76760043
Scam, or no. The Judge should be impartial, as should justice. The Judge has ties to a group of people who are at odds with Trump's immigration stances. That alone should recuse him from the case.
>>76758211
this although im for the destruction of the party structure we have in its entirety .theres no more time for corporate bullshit.
If you've really been here for 10 years i ask you to explain why people used to post bread back in the day.
>>76760456
>I actually don't care about immigrants much
Why? The effects that (illegal) immigrants have had on wages and job opportunities for the poorest Americans have been devastating -- particularly for black Americans in inner cities. Economic security is virtually unobtainable for these people and is the cause of much of the social strife this country is experiencing.
>I believe the analysis that mass deportation is just impractical.
Mass deportation of all 11-20 million illegals is impractical. History has proven however that when immigration laws are actually enforced instead of ignored, illegals will actively seek to return to their countries in fear of the potential consequences of being caught.
>>76760674
Thou shalt not steal liberal christ cuck. For the Scripture says, “You shall not muzzle an ox when it treads out the grain,” and, “The laborer deserves his wages.” Most christ cucks don't even know or read the bible and think it is just some hippie love bs. Not even a christ fag
If you really care about the people, as liberals claim, then foreign policy should be your #1 issue.
America is one of the biggest exporters of weaponry and death in the world. End it. Vote Trump in November.
>>76760456
>lets become a weaker country so we can better support that which is making us a weaker country
you bernstains really want this country to crash and burn, huh?
>>76763210
Christianity talks about charity not forced government redistribution.
>>76762698
>i'd greentext, but I'm on my phone; sorry
But every country accept Russia is acting like electing Trump will be tantamount to declaring war. Yeah, I know, fuck 'em, but he doesn't seem like he's a peacemaker.
This I am fully sold on. It was ballsy and inspiring to lay the blame for the Iraq war at Bush's feet. I'll give him that.
I just hate money. Unrealistic, I know, but again, Christcuck.
This one's bullshit. The drug problem in America is domestically generated and caused.
I agree with this. It's why I made the thread.
>>76757174
Quit posting carl. it isn't funny anymore
>>76762820
No. He's definitely a sexist, but he's 70, and that would be no greater sin than any other president. Trump is a social liberal, like I said. He's just playing white supremacists like a fiddle.
>>76763171
All we have to do to get rid of the illegals is to remove all the game show prizes they win for successfully immigrating here illegally.
No more benefits.
No more free education for their children
No more birthright citizenship
No more free emergency room care
No more Spanish language option for anything.
No more Sanctuary Cities.
No more driver's licenses/ID cards for illegals.
Tax the ever-living shit out of remittances.
They'll fuck off on their own.
>>76762941
Answer better.
>>76763574
Be a better person first.
>>76757174
>liberal masquerading as a conservative
Nice try, faggot. That's an old talking point repeated by the intellectually devoid who only rely on word-of-mouth as their source.
>>76763125
Again, who gives a shit? It's a distraction from the conclusion of actual political importance, which is Trump U is a naked scam.
>>76757174
>I'm a liberal
>Trump is a liberal
There you go it wasn't so hard you found common ground.
>>76763131
I 100% honestly forgot holy shit so many memes why
>>76757174
fuck off
>>76763514
He's playing EVERYONE like a fiddle. He got 2 billion dollars worth of free advertisement out of butthurt democrats and progressives.
OP is obviously a woman. Tits or gtfo
>>76762820
no. ironically, it's the quasi-racist shit he's willing to say that makes me think his heart isn't really in it. most ideological racists keep that shit to themselves for fear of being outed as racists. what he is is a great entertainer. he knows how to play to his crowd, and right now his crowd is a demographic stewing in a century of latent racist sentiment.
>>76757174
>Trump is a liberal masquerading as a conservative
except that's wrong, and you are wrong, and you should feel bad
While I agree Trump and Hillary are both cut from the same cloth, for me the difference here is political experience. Nobody has a more thorough resume than Hillary. Trump is a businessman, and he should stay a businessman.
>>76763171
Okay? This still puts me at odds with Trump's position.
>>76763685
Justice should be impartial. It's very important to give a shit when our justice system isn't working properly.
Just because you think it's unimportant, doesn't make it so.
>>76758211
>>76758211
>mfw a commie near me has actually a legit, respectable opinion although different than mine
Is this real life?
MAGA
>>76763232
I am, it is, and Trump seems a warmonger of a slightly less sophisticated sort than Clinton.
>>76757174
Read this. This is why: http://fredoneverything.org/the-mask-comes-off-putrefaction-most-foul/
The Trump movement is not about the issues. He does not owe his popularity to his stance on immigration, the economy, energy independence, foreign policy, or anything else.
Trump is about finally punishing a government and a system that has gotten away with unchecked corruption, nepotism, broken promises, and blatant defiance of democracy for decades without a single person having both the courage and the capability to take a stand against it.
You should vote for Trump because it is the only way to send a message that you are fed up with it all.
A vote for Hillary, in contrast, sends the message that you are okay with it. Okay with corruption. Okay with nepotism. Okay with lies, okay with "if you like your plan, you can keep your plan", okay with "it was a youtube video". Okay with politicians getting away with crimes that would get an ordinary citizen raided by a SWAT team and locked up in a maximum-security cell.
You don't vote for Trump because you agree with him on the issues.
You vote for Trump because you agree that our government is broken.
>>76757174
>outdated rubrics
I MEAN CMON
>>76757174
>I think the vast majority of you are utter retards trading in simplistic narratives, outdated rubrics, and personal insecurities.
Just be straight and admit you're not drinking the kool-aid about the candidate your party's selected for you (and make no mistake, she was selected, not fairly elected); this charade of "well I think you guys are all stoopid b-but I want to hear what you have to say it's not like I like you or anything baka" is only serving to reassure yourself. This is an anonymous imageboard, you don't have to play up who you are as a person as some sort of excuse for your opinions.
And I don't even like Trump or plan on voting for him, but even I know he's not even close to Hillary on the hawk metric. Virtually the only thing she's stayed constant on is her dedication to bombing the shit out of brown people regardless of the consequences. Ask yourself who's more racist: the person with stupid ideas about Mexicans, or the person with a two-decade long track record of advocating military measures that end with black and Arab civilian casualties.
>>76763832
He hasn't said a single thing that's racist. All he's done is tell the truth.
If the truth is "racist" then I have a "Go back to Plebbit" for you.
>>76757174
Because race is biological
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SJNVb0GnPI
>>76757174
I'll make it quick and painless.
>raise taxes
>companies get less money (dont think the 1% wont make other people pay for their tax increase)
>everybody gets paid less because social security is a thing
>bureaucracy costs a shitload of money
>america is no longer attractive to go to for companies
>vast amounts of money leave america
>america is just a poorer version of europe now
>>76763959
This happens more often than you think, but /pol/ is fucking cancer when it comes to accepting other opinions (ironic because that's why they hate "liberals" in the first place).
t. Liberal
>>76764036
He does it because he doesn't know how to behave in an anonymous forum. He's used to covering his ass before he says something mildly controversial. You don't need to do this on 4chan, and most anyone who is used to this place would not ever fucking bother. Unlike the OP, Mr. "I've been here 10 years"
For fuck's sake. They keep trying, and trying, and trying, but they can never, ever pass themselves off as a regular to this site. They /always/ give it away in the first post.
>>76760836
>Educate yourself on economics
>From the Greece Flag
Why don't you use that fancy economics degree to PAY DENBTS
>>76757174
When the real election comes, assemble behind an independent. No matter who, just agree to vote on the same. With luck you get enough electors to break the system into three.
>>76764312
>Translation: I got my ass handed to me, and made a poor counter-argument so everyone called me a faggot and mocked me for being stupid. Now I cry about how /pol/ is an echo-chamber to soothe my anal prolapse instead of getting good.
>>76757174
>I'm a liberal
>Trump is a liberal masquerading as a conservative
You made your own case retard
>>76763535
Fine. Great. Not what Trump is trying to sell.
>>76763648
This I did not know, though it doesn't change decades of liberal sentiments.
>>76763816
Which terrified me.
>>76763952
Stop wasting time on idealogical purity, dipshit.
>>76763978
A Truther gave me this argument before but history shows revolutions led by political strongmen do not make a shit situation better.
>>76764036
Yes, Trump is way more attractive on foreign policy. This is the root of my indecision.
>>76764097
>implications
>>76757174
>/pol/, I'm a liberal. I think the vast majority of you are utter retards trading in simplistic narratives, outdated rubrics, and personal insecurities.
I'm neither a liberal nor a conservative, and let me tell you what liberals look like to me today:
They look like coddled children who've got everything they know from mass media - TV, movies, videogames. Or if they didn't get it from those, they got it from their liberal arts professors.
The modern liberal is a clueless fuckwit, every stereotype he believes is shaped for him by other interested parties who want to control what and how he thinks, and the modern liberal lets them do it.
There is no critical thinking applied to anything. They've never learned much of any math or science, and their understanding of statistics is rooted only as deep as their ability to manipulate words and data to say what they want it to say is.
There is no such thing as objective reality to the liberal. They change meanings and words on a dime and talk opposites out of the two sides of their head without even understanding or acknowledging the hypocrisy.
>>76757174
>I've been coming to 4chan for ten years
Based on this thread, you're reported tenure is dramatically inflated.
>>76757174
>I'm a liberal
fucking kill yourself faggot
>>76757174
/pol/ is a large group full of different individuals.
to categorize /pol/ as one entity is inaccurate sir.
>>76764319
Nope. Just how I talk. Really have been here for ten years, have never been to reddit, go to tumblr for porn.
Sorry, but you're not as clever as you think you are.
>>76757174
TRUMP IS THE ONLY CANDIDATE THAT IS AGAINST GLOBALISM. VOTE TRUMP YOU SILLY MAN
>>76764632
That wasn't a response to you, cocksucker.
Justice should be impartial. I'm going to keep fucking saying it, because it's the truth. I don't care what you did, or who you did it to, justice should be impartial.
He has not said a single thing that's racist. If you think the truth is racist, see pic related.
In fact, just see pic related in general.
>>76757174
>Bernie supporter
>Liberal
No. You are a marxist, Socialist. Liberals believe in individual sovereignty and free markets.
>>76764097
>He hasn't said a single thing that's racist.
and that's the brilliance of his shtick. he's said things that are just racist enough to be understood in the private language shared among the true believers, yet insubstantial enough not to ingratiate himself to large swaths of his base.
like i said. quasi-racist.
>>76757174
>I think the vast majority of you are utter retards trading in simplistic narratives, outdated rubrics, and personal insecurities
Peace, love, and understanding bro.
But I totally understand why you'd think that.
>why should I vote for Trump in November?
Don't do it if you don't want to.
>>76757174
dude just looking at your posts on this thread sshows you don't really have a grasp on the current political climate in america. this isn't 2008 where you can just throw a black dude up there, have him smile real big, and then everybody votes for him. even if your girl hillary does win, its not going to be the socialist utopia that obama promised you
also i think you need to get a job and actually work hard for like 2 or 3 years, after that i don't think you would ever support a candidate like sanders who only wants to rob your wealth that you earned
>>76764894
Uh, yes it was.
>>76764903
Nope. Not a single thing was racist. Speaking the truth is not racist. Calling someone a fucking watermelon-eating, fish-lipped nigger is racist. Saying unchecked illegal immigration is allowing rapists, drug-dealers, and murders to come into our nation unopposed is not.
It's time for you to go back.
>>76765116
Wow your reading comprehension is terrible.
>>76764666
Yeah, I agree. I don't really consider myself a liberal but /pol/ generally does. I wanted to provide a rough sketch of who they were pitching to.
>>76764815
It's not his fault man, you don't seem like a bad guy, it's just your posts come off pretentious in a board where brashness rules. Also saying you're a bernout makes people disregard your opinion more easily because that means you inherently support things like his wall street tax which would activey destroy any semblance of free market in a short amount of time.
But honestly good on you for swimming through here and having active discussions without rage quiting in search of more info.
Maga. Hope life is well for you in whatever decision you make spaceman.
>>76764895
the definition of liberal (small government and lots of freedom) is basically "libertarian' now. Liberals are now faggots who vouch for inequality or overequality
>>76761480
>I have been actively using fear and irrationality to cloud my judgement
>Maybe now I'll see something I didn't when I'm still being fearful and irrational
Yeah no. Look at things from an outside perspective.
>>76757174
>why should I vote for Trump in November?
just do it faggot
>>76765445
Don't speak for me, you cocksucker.
>>76765445
Hey thanks. I started coming to /pol/ because my FB was insufferably monotone in its positions, and this place isn't much better, but it does allow me to at least see how other people think.
>>76765649
Oh you're a beta weeboo, you're right i don't want to speak for faggot virgin cucks like you.
>>76765731
Don't worry brah. One day the moderation staff will decide that 4chan is no longer an anime site and you'll be able to browse here without hiding it from your friends.
>>76763974
>Trump seems a warmonger of a slightly less sophisticated sort than Clinton.
Isn't that an argument for Trump since it means Hillary will probably engineer more conflicts and sell more weapons while facing less public scrutiny?
>>76765179
casting aspersions on a federal judge's impartiality based on his heritage is patently racist.
but i guess if your standard for racism begins at "calling someone a fucking watermelon-eating, fish-lipped nigger" then racism barely exists in your eyes!
>>76757174
Does anyone sell t-shirts of that ridiculous image?
>>76757174
because trump is probably the only candidate to place you filthy scumbags in jail. Bernie and hill are weak shitheads which is why they're not going to take action every time some dumbass minority group is unhappy and they're going to go to the streets and throw a hissy fit while attacking people.
>>76765676
Np man you sound like a smart guy and i'm sure you'll do well in this life, keeping an open mind is always important and it's cool you're in search of both sides. Knowledge is growth, it's how we'll defeat the jews.
>>76766062
>>76765998
I honestly don't know anymore. This election has me in the worst bind possible.
>>76766168
Do ho ho.
>>76757295
4chan wasn't always conservative, lad. proto-/pol/ (/n/) was pretty anti-conservative. That isn't to say 4chan was a hugbox by any means. 10 years ago it was the conservatives who were trying to censor hobbies that anons enjoyed, so anons were pretty liberal. Now, for the past 5 years it's the liberals who are trying to censor what anons enjoy so 4chan's generally conservative now.
The political climate on 4chan hops between whatever wing is advocating for censorship and trying to stomp out free speech.
>>76763368
Governments around the world are oy veying at Trump because they are actively screwing the US over and have their hands out for gibs and Trump signals the end of the gravy train.
>>76766204
I lold
>>76757174
http://nypost.com/2016/06/09/science-says-liberal-beliefs-are-linked-to-pyschotic-traits/
Read and learn you fucking psychopath.
>>76766433
I'd thought of that counterargument, but it seems too jingoistic to be true.
>>76766383
This.
4chan's always prized free speech and freedom of expression. Anybody who works against that will get shit on here.
>>76766383
Yep.
>>76766229
Honestly if Trump is elected and does what he promises then its a win and if he's elected and doesn't then he's no better than Clinton and will have moved the country probably to the left in general (as you've already stated you don't think he's a conservative). My only fear of President Trump would be the whole hypothetical trade war/market volatility as someone who has parents about to retire and stands to inherit their 401K I'd rather not lose out on $1M if the market crashes and they sell to finance their retirement.
>>76757174
>Pretentiousness: The post
>>76757174
>I think the vast majority of you are utter retards trading in simplistic narratives, outdated rubrics, and personal insecurities.
You only think that because you are naive. I notice liberals make comparisons of their nation to a Utopia while conservatives think of their nation in this real world. Everyone wants the liberal ideal society, but a lot of people are smart enough to understand it is not a possibility, no matter how awesome it sounds.
In a perfect world there would be no wall needed. In the real world, a wall is needed. In a perfect world no one would ever go hungry or have a need for anything so pure socialism would work. In the real world we still suffer from scarcity for capitalism is the fairest way of dividing up what we have.
Most on the right are not heartless and greedy. Most people on the left are however naive.
>>76757174
Do you want an actual answer, or are you actually just here to pretend that you're better than us because you voted for a Socialist Jew Warhawk to give you free stuff at our expense?
If, as you say, Trump is a liberal in disguise, then why do you need our explanation for why you ought to vote for him? You punish the DNC for screwing Bernie Sanders, and no harm is done because he's a liberal.
But if, as we both know, Trump is NOT a liberal in disguise, and you are in fact looking for reasons why you should vote for a Nativist Populist instead of a Corporate-owned war criminal, I can offer you several very good reasons.
1: If you actually believe that uncontrolled immigration is a good thing, consider that it is OBJECTIVELY bad for the working man. Mass Immigration is nothing less than a Capitalist policy whose express intent is to drive down the costs of labor to benefit porky fatcats on Wall Street. Hillary Clinton is more than willing to make America into Brazil so that her masters don't have to pay American workers a living wage. Donald Trump's policy, like Bernie Sanders', is to protect the American worker from the predation of Capital.
2: Donald Trump -may- be a crazy warhawk. Hillary Clinton IS a crazy warhawk. Donald Trump -may- start World War III. Hillary Clinton already attempted to start World War III. Donald Trump -may- commit criminal acts. Hillary Clinton has already boasted of committing criminal acts. Which is worse, a potential criminal, or a known criminal?
3: Consider that Bernie Sanders lost the nomination because of the minority vote. Literally for no other reason. Hillary Clinton wants to double the number of minorities in America during her reign. Bernie Sanders is strongest with the support of educated white liberals. Without them, neither he nor anyone like him will ever win an election. By fighting against uncontrolled demographic change you are buying yourself another shot at the presidency later.
>>76757174
If you were ever in support of fucking Bernie you're too far gone to really talk to in any meaningful capacity, but sure. Vote Trump, why not.
>>76757174
>There's no significant difference between them when it comes to international hawkishness
Fuck off. Trump's been attacked ceaselessly for his isolationism.
>>76766909
You pay taxes now and get nothing. Imagine if you paid taxes and it actually went to good things.
>>76764447
Case in point. Have a (You) on me for that epic trollpost, my friend :^)
>>76765386
>Yeah, I agree. I don't really consider myself a liberal but /pol/ generally does
unless you are a public figure, how can you possibly know what /pol/ thinks of you?
>>76766229
Hillary got Obama into Lybia. That puts her high on my shitlist. Say what you will about Trump but at least he doesn't have insane crap like that on his record.
>>76758211
>>76758352
My niggers. I won't vote for Trump (will probably vote for Stein) but you're still my niggers.
>>76757174
I think everyone actually agrees and wants the same thing deep down. Let's all love each other, no guns, no wars and so on.
It's just that some of us realize there's a difference between what you want and what you can do, and that you can't be nice with everyone, you can't be at peace with everyone, you can't share with everyone. Fundamentally, you also realize some people share because they have something to share, while others really have nothing to share and never will, and are only there to exploit the system. And niggers usually are responsible for that difference.
We're all liberals, just we have a different amides of the people that would constitute our ideal liberal nation.
>>76763131
Toasting in an epic bread, brah
Been here eight-ish years, that's all I can think of unless something jogs my memory
>>76763685
Why am I not surprised a ((Liberal)) doesn't care about the integrity of the justice system. Oh right because they don't understand the basic concept of the law or the fact that everyone has the right to a fair and impartial trial even if you personally think they are so guilty.
>>76765676
i simply do not understand how you can make a case for socialism. It has never worked. It will never work. Capitalism has always worked and it will always work. Trump is for a free market, has a great foregn policy, is ant-establishment, and opposes leftist bullshit. All you can have against him is "he says mean things".
You say he's racist.
Mexicans: he only talks negatively about Mexican illegals.
The Mexican judge thing was just a good move because he COULD be biased against Trump. Why take the risk if you can just ask for another judge?
Muslims: first of all they arent a race, and a temporary ban on muslim immigrants is not discriminatory either. In WW2, America didnt let in German immigrants. Is this that different? Even if you think it's different, it's not THAT crazy. And its not worth dismissing a candidate over such a subjective thing. Besides that, there's not much against Trump that I know of.
>>76766709
This is sort of emblematic of my chief fear of Trump. He's a chaos factor because his presidency would be so insane, he's like a d20, but everything except the 20 is a 1.
>>76766832
I'm talking about the kind of people who are afraid of miscegenation. They, I think, are truly naive.
>>76766909
You're right. Those are all exceptionally good reasons. Thank you.
>>76767298
Kek only because he hasn't been in office so he literally doesn't have ANY political record. I'm not defending Hillary by any means, she's a vile whore, but it's a meaningless thing to say about Trump.
>>76767181
Because I post here?
>>76767339
I'm honestly probably Stein as well, because Clinton is unacceptable. But I thought I'd see if the red pill was secretly the right choice all along.
>>76767438
I said previously I'm not a socialist and Trump's not a racist. We all get these handy IDs for a reason, dumbass.
>>76757174
Because capitalism isn't perfect but it's much better than cronyism.
Hillary is a cronyist.
Trump is a capitalist.
Hillary has exploited crises in countries like Haiti and Libya for personal profit.
Trump wants to either end the crises or stay out of them because it's none of our business.
Hillary pushes for trade deals that fuck Americans. She is lobbied by the people who caused the subprime mortgage crisis.
Both Trump and Bernie recognize how bad our trade deals are, and how campaign finance has corrupted US politics.
I don't ubderstand how you can even think Trump and Hillary are even similar. Trump is a national socialist in the costume of a Republican. Hillary is a corrupt corporate succubus dressed as a democrat.
>>76757174
I'm not for trump, but i think the Congress will block his most crazy idea (the gop already dislikes him) whereas you can be sure the dems will support clinton's most idiotic ones.
>>76767902
This, and I'll give you guys one for free: Congressional gridlock will be worse than ever with Clinton
Put away the hate for a minute Op, your going to have to pick one of these two cads. Imigration is a good thing, but let's make sure the people coming here are not international criminals. It is not racist to ask someone to come in leagaly. What is wrong with being American and being proud about it? We help everybody. Trump will most likely be the job President, no he's not perfect. Nothing is really free, you will graduate college and you will pay for the next generation to go to college. Free sounds good to me but someone will have to pay. The black people like everyone will be better off with some hope! Liberals need you to be dependent on them to stay in power, this doesn't sound right to me. USA has to stay strong if we are to continue helping people where ever they are.
>>76757174
>There's no significant difference between them when it comes to international hawkishness, soulless capitalism, or even social issues
>+100
WILL YOU FAGGOTS STOP RESPONDING TO BAIT?
THERE WAS A TIME WHEN WE TOLD NEWFAGS TO FUCK OFF AND LURK MORE
THERE WAS A TIME WHERE WE IGNORED SHIT THREADS AND SAGED
>>76767500
>one is confirmed to have caused the death of others
>the other hasn't
Meaningless? Really? I mean I'd peg trump as a sociopath too, but Hillary is confirmed to be one. With her, everyone loses, 100%. Trump might at least get shot or cause riots or something.
>>76767552
you are an unknown here, buddy. Nobody cares or even knows who you are.
>>76765272
And your political choices are terrible.
>>76767902
>but i think the Congress will block his most crazy idea
Such as? The wall isn't a crazy idea, FYI. Israel has one and half the Congress gets their paychecks straight from rich Jews.
>>76768271
Again, I outed myself so the pitches would me tailored to my sensibilities.
>>76757174
>I'm a liberal
You're an enabler. Quit being a pathetic retard. Don't come on here, call us stupid, and then expect us to characterize you as anything but a spineless cuck faggot. You may not resort to the same tactics that good ol' Carl uses, but you still vote for the same shit and enable people like that to continue us on a path to degeneracy and cultural suicide. Fuck yourself.
>>76764844
I don't get to vote in the US elections so my opinion doesn't really matter, but this is the most important issue for me. Nationalism vs. globalism is the only question that's important anymore, and Trump's the only candidate who's stated his opposition of globalism. Left vs. right, liberal vs. conservative, republican vs. democrat are outdated concepts, they're all the same shit in the long run. They're in favor of mass immigration, and preferably from third world countries. Some want it because of cheap labor, others want it so they can get a nice feeling like they've been a good samaritan, but either way the end result is the same; the immigration keeps going on, and it will irreversibly change the West on a fundamental level.
Additionally, immigration is just one piece from the full puzzle. The push for globalism can be seen elsewhere too, like for example TTIP/TPP, or EU's crisis management attempts (eurozone bailouts, Turkey deal, EU army, etc). Also, remember how Obama threatened to put Britain in the back of the queue if they leave EU? Meanwhile, Trump commented that in his opinion leaving would be the better choice but the Brits must make their decision on their own, and he's not gonna judge their eventual choice; he considers them an important ally whether they're in EU or not.
Obama's and Trump's comments on Brexit showcased the difference between the lines of thought here. I've come to believe the globalist approach is utterly poisonous and we're gonna need nationalist world leaders.
I don't fully trust Trump, though. I'm not in agreement with everything he's said. Also, over here we got burned pretty hard after our last elections. Our nationalist party turned globalist once they got into the government, and they dropped all the themes they used to talk about. After witnessing that, I'm just not convinced it's possible to make political change happen through elections anymore.
>>76767790
well i recall you saying something like youre afraid of Trump beforehand. If this is not a problem, what exactly is your anti-Trump case???
>>76768530
I think he's an insane idiot seeking the presidency for the denoument of his charmed life and I believe he will be an incompetent governor in every way.
>>76768432
Maybe I've watched too many conspiracy videos but antiglobalism always strikes me as some bizarrely antiquated desire to resist change.
Tell me, why is globalism bad? How is not the ultimate and natural evolution of our species?
>>76757174
>Bernout
In the post-Bernie future, I'd like them to be referred to as Bern Victims, for obvious reasons.
>>76757295
4chan is anti-Authoritarian.
4 years from now it will be anti-Trump and anti-Stormfag if he becomes President.
>>76768739
>I think he's an insane idiot
You don't get to accomplish the things he's accomplished while being an idiot. That's not how it works.
It always amuses me to see some miserable sack of shit online who'll probably be working off the student debt from his LGBTQA+ Studies Degree for the rest of his worthless life call Trump an "idiot". Is it envy or something else?
>>76768973
Because humans have never and will never get along peacefully enough to coexist without tension and conflict unless a large number of us fucking die. If you really think that large numbers of dindus and people from non-Western geopolitical climates are ever going to adopt the Western way of life (the superior way, by far), then you are pathetically and hopelessly delusional.
there is a heavy psychological element at play in this election, so im going to try and explain one of the reasons i am voting for trump.
trump is a man who has everything. fucking billionaire, celebrity (the apprentice), owns property on im assuming every continent. BUT theres 1 thing he doesnt have, and thats an immortal legacy. something that will define him throughout history, and in fact if he gets done what he wants to get done, he will certainly go down as the greatest world leader to ever live.
why on earth would someone who has everything, give it up for a shit job like president? thats comparatively speaking btw. well he wants that legacy, i mean who wouldnt? but this isnt something he can half-ass and still earn the right to be called the greatest american to ever live. he not only needs to win the election, he needs to bring us back from this brink of identity politics, illegal immigration, and rampant white guilt. he wants to be known as the guy who gave it all up to save america.
now there is alot of ego and pride at work here, something that hasnt been seen in a white male leader in a long time. is that a bad thing? well hes getting old, he doesnt have alot of time left. he wants to do something, something big. he wants to make america great again. so personally i dont care what his motivations are for wanting to be president. he knows he can only be immortalized if he does the best job anyone has ever seen in a world leader. so thats exactly what he intends to do, be the best president america has ever had.
also i want to say im sorry bernie bro. although i didnt agree with his politics, and absolutely hated his political followers, i admired him purely for being the true voice of the democratic party. i really wanted to see what the election would be like with bernie vs trump. would have been epic
>>76769333
>then you are pathetically and hopelessly delusional.
Which he implied, along with his severe brain damage, when he admitted to being a Bernout.
>>76757174
>i'm a liberal
Stopped reading - anything you say is going to be retarded. Kill yourself.
>>76768973
If you want globalism, you want Europe to turn islamic. That will be the logical end result of plummeting European birthrates combined with mass immigration from Africa and Middle-east. Once there are enough muslims in Europe, they will want sharia law. They will vote for it, or they will take it violently by arranging a new Arab spring. There will be persecution against gays, women, atheists, ex-muslims.
Do you think this is an unrealistic scenario? Do you think it's a scenario that we should embrace?
>>76768409
this
Don't come here calling us retards and then expect a decent conversation about why you should vote for somebody who you mislabeled, and who you already despise.
Just stay home on election day and continue to be your worthless insecure self.
>>76768739
1. If he's an idiot, why are his policies so sound?
2. If he's an idiot, how did he maintain the Trump brand on top of the world for decades?
>>76769333
How have they not already? It's not like black Americans are living according to their African ancestry.
>>76757174
>I've never tried to win an argument with "that's racist!"
>Only people that still cry about Stormfags are the exact people that say "that's racist!"
My claim has just as much proof as yours except I can back mine up (somewhat) by going through the archive. Yours is completely unsubstantiated and unprovable.
>>76769667
I know my history. That wasn't true, and most Muslims don't live under sharia law, retard.
>>76768271
That is literally the case for every single one of us. This is an anonymous Laotian claymation forum.
>>76769740
Too bad I'm already getting my decent conversation.
>>76757174
There's no significant difference between them
Really? Only Cankles wants to be President. Everyone else wants Trump to be president
>>76769924
Almost all serious analysis says they are not, and many don't seem so to me personally, and the Trump brand has been associated with chintzy garbage for a while now.
>>76757174
Lurking 4chan for 10 years and still at your parent's place?
>>76770151
I'm glad the people on here are nice enough to give a misguided asshole a chance at redemption.
>>76758211
This is what I don't understand. If you want to destroy the two party system, why not focus on eliminating first past the post voting and gerrymandered districts?
A new liberal party does not solve the problems associated with a two party system. In fact, it would exacerbate the problems we have now- wild swings in public policy and complete gridlock in Congress.
>>76757174
Clinton and Trump are both twats who would ruin your country. Jill Stein is your only hope now.
>>76765272
see that's my point. your literally stuck in 2008 when you were always right because you didn't have to say anything, you just insult people's reading skills because you wuz good at skewl and got a shitty worthless degree which means 'you really understand this type of thing, it's just out of my leauge because i didn't spend years in some bullshit college. NOW is 2016. NOW you have college debt, and NOW bernie is out of the race, so you are stuck with your unpaid dues. your still on /pol/ on a friday night just like back in '08 just making yourself look dumb on on anon board
>>76762944
I appreciate your honesty, faggot.
>>76770098
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_of_sharia_law_by_country
There are 66 countries who have some sort of Sharia law implemented. Discounting the ones where it's not the primary law of the land, that leaves 10 Sharia is the only law, and 26 more where the common law is heavily based within Sharia. That's approximately 600,000 mulsim, or roughly half of the muslims in the world directly living under some form of Sharia, with many more living in Sharia influenced states
As a general reply to the criticism that my Clinton=Trump is inaccurate because Clinton is worse, I've been convinced of that
>>76770831
But not full, and it's strictest and harshest penalties that disappear first. Besides, it's not like globalist forces aren't united in wanted to end ISIS and make everything about economic efficiency.
>>76766383
So left it went right?
>>76770494
damn this really good i wish my windows 7 was working properly so i could save this
>>76771159
Most of my liberal views were initially cultivated by 4chan, and outside of /pol/ the place is still pretty leftist, or failing that, gay.
>>76770395
gerrymandering is on the laundry list of problems so deeply insinuated in the american political machine that i can't honestly offer a simple and easy solution. it alone makes a mockery of representative government, and most voters aren't aware that it's really happening. that's why i'm praying for one of these juggernaut shithouses to fall down. if nothing else, it might prompt people to holistically reexamine the system and the individual issues they care about. anything is better than this coke-vs.-pepsi pro bowl bullshit they're presently lapping up.
>>76771137
>But not full, and it's strictest and harshest penalties that disappear first
That's why the "secular" Tajikstan has a 20 year prison sentence for a muslim that leaves Islam right? But that's okay because they no longer crucify them!
>Besides, it's not like globalist forces aren't united in wanted to end ISIS
ISIS was created and funded by the USA to bring down Assad and destroy Russias last ally in the middle east. It backfired, so they then funded and created all the "secular" rebels that only want an islamic state within Syria instead of the pan-arabic caliphate ISIS wants.
>>76757174
Hey buddy- how does a legitimate concern for your nation's authentic culture and civic life become an "outdated rubric?"
You're just making value judgements, putting together words that aren't arguments, they're expressions of unfalsifiable moral statements. You're a signaling faggot.
All you faggots have is fear. When you characterize the Trump electorate as "afraid" or "insecure" you're trying to use shame to attack their masculinity, implying that cool self secure men aren't afraid of anything. Regardless of whether this is true or not (it's not) this is also an unfalsifiable moral argument. It means you can't convince us of what you have to say, so you're going to try to use the fear of being seen to be afraid. Ironically, this argument should only work on people who are insecure about how others perceive them to begin with, which is why it hasn't worked on the white working class despite 30 years of scolding from the NY Times. Appropriately, this is exactly why you think it's a great argument: because you swallowed it hook line and sinker. Deep down inside you know you're a little bitch.Trump supporters are secure in their identity. It's why they keep supporting him in the face of opposition from the media, globalist financiers, the pope, and both the democrats AND the republicans. Can you say the same? All you have is fear. Get fucked, faggot.
>>76769963
Mate, I don't know what part of the United States you live in, but I live in Memphis. If my time living here has taught me anything, it's that black Americans have not been Westernized and have no interest in becoming Westernized whatsoever. I used to believe in that shit too. Then I turned Eight Fucking Teen. I realized years ago that most blacks are not like us, and they never will be like us. Go outside. Hang out in the fucking ghetto, quit being a fucking idiot, and realize that people from third world shitholes live in shitholes for a reason: They are either unwilling or too fucking stupid to adopt the Western way of life, and to think otherwise is just delusional horseshit, and I can only hope that you will take your "liberal good will" to third world shitholes or the projects and get "culturally enriched" by a bunch of people who don't give a fuck about you or your way of life. That's the only way, at least from what I've seen, that libtards like you will ever change their minds.
My "Come to Jesus Moment" occurred when I had to watch one of my old buddies from elementary school learn how to talk again, because some fucking nignogs curb stomped the shit out of him. Poor bastard lost all of his teeth and still has brain damage to this day (7 years later). Is THAT what it's going to take for you to wake the fuck up? Don't be a fucking idiot. Learn from the mistakes of others and don't put yourself through the shit they had to go through.
>>76766383
/n/ was always libertarian you dumb fuck. Yeah, we hated Bush, but nobody was a 'liberal'. /n/ was ALWAYS against gun control, immigration, nogs, etc.
>>76769351
I agree that Trump is probably sincere in his intentions, if not in his statements, and he definitely doesn't want to fuck it up.
I agree. Bernie vs. Trump debates would have been taught in school.
>>76757496
Fuck me mate, anything you don't just repeat?
>>76771427
>and outside of /pol/ the place is still pretty leftist, or failing that, gay.
Gay sure, but 4chan is very much libertarian if you discount the neets, and even they just want to be left alone
>>76770098
So do you think we have nothing to worry about when it comes to muslims immigrating here? From here it looks like our population is being replaced in our own countries and by our own governments. These refugees are a burden both financially and socially, and it's already causing tension. I could post a million links about a million issues that are making people extremely angry at these newcomers and our politicians. What is your opinion on what Europe's future will be like, anyway? I can't see how this all can be anything but a recipe for a continent-wide crisis.
>>76769204
>anti-Stormfag
4chan always had nazi larpers. /new/ for example. But this place wasnt so much of a stormfront cocksucking den
>>76758230
Glad to see its not just me noticing God Emperor developing a cult of personality.
>how can he put it to good use?
>>76771634
bernie is everything we hate, while trump is everything liberals hate. we do the dance every 4 years, but not like this, would have been glorious
>>76771704
It's retarded to try to ascribe any unified political ideology to a website whose users can't agree on what color grass is, to be honest family.
>>76763368
Just in case you haven't been paying attention, most western countries these days have hopped on the Globalist band wagon. They shill hard for open borders, free trade and an end to national identity. Many of our politicians are either useful idiots or wholly bought and owned by corporate interests.
Trump represents a break from this trend. He's a man that can't be bought purely because his ego wouldn't allow it and above all else, he loves his country. He's something that hasn't been seen in western politics in a while, an actual red blooded patriot. This scares the shit out of the current Globalist set so they're doing their best to shut him down.
>>76771597
It's a chicken or the egg thing. Do you think ghettos are the life blacks chose or the life they could build with a nation that previously actively enslaved them.
>>76771922
The one thing was all agree on is that the system sucks, the only thing we argue about is how to fix it, be that less government regulation, more neetbux or just plain old revolution
>>76771967
except anywhere blacks go in the world, that same life follows.
>>76759917
This.
As much as I hated it five years ago, this anon speaks the truth.
>>76771748
I concur, but I don't think it has to do with the instrinsic evil of the refugees, but humanity as a whole being evil as fuck.
I saw an antirefugee video where this German woman was essentially saying they were all inhuman barbarians because one of their kids beat up her kid and if you don't see how she's at least equally contributing to the tension, I don't know what to tell you
>>76771967
Look at Africa. There's your fucking answer. Goddamn dipshit.
>>76771903
And that election would have been an actual choice. Clinton is, as I've been convinced, a worse Trump (re: specifically what I hate about him).
>>76772262
#notallmuslims
Muslims are disproportionately responsable for violent crimes in European nations, much like niggers are in America. They are scum, no two ways about it, and 1 shopkeeper contributing does not excuse 50 benefit addicts raping children.
Why let in a single refugee, when ISIS has openly declared they're sending infiltrators among them, and the paris attacks were masterminded by these so called "refugees"? The only answer you can possibly give is "muh feels" since logic always gives the same result of "it's not worth the risk"
>>76772262
No. She's noting obvious patterns and acting accordingly. You would be an idiot to carry on with the "love everybody shit" after watching one of your kids get the tar beat out of him.
>>76772397
what specifically do you hate about him, and how is clinton worse in your opinion.
>>76757174
Nice bait, but an actual liberal wouldn't use retard as an insult.
>>76758639
>focuses entirely on social issues instead of economic
Dumb shits like you are the reason the US was eroded into the empty shell it is now. You'd rather focus on a bunch of inconsequential shit than something that will ACTUALLY change lives. How about instead of voting for free money for your pet niggers and "equal rights", whatever the fuck that's supposed to mean, for LGBTWTFBBQ (5% of the US population, all included), you just educate yourself and vote for someone who will bring money into the US? Bernout's handouts are pointless, the US is so far in debt that he wouldn't be giving out actual money, just rearranging debt.
What's the point of being equal if we're all equally broke?
>>76757174
Politics shift like a Pendulum... Most will be right wing until it goes too far and we start toning that down until everything becomes too left wing and free speech needs to win yet again.
Trump is the natural vote against establishment and western destruction at the minute. The cycle is never ending.
>>76772793
He's still here after 200 posts, so it's either not bait or the most dedicated troll I'm seen in years
>>76772793
here's your (You), retard
>>76772080
>>76772365
>Africa
>has been utterly and brutally dommed for centuries
>developed stockholm syndrome and can't recover from such a raping
>but also, what's the matter Tunisia, Cape Verde, Botswana
This is the problem with your average /pol/lack. No sense of history or specificity, just easier to reduce it down to whatever traits piss you off the most.
I wonder how you'd feel about blacks living in an affluent black neighborhood?
>>76772549
Your numbers are hilariously inaccurate and only serve to reveal your delusions.
>>76772584
The kid had a black eye. Meantime, I got those from my fellow whites for a variety of reasons. It's a stupidly poor indicator and her reaction is the equivalent of "won't somebody think of the children?!"
>>76773045
>COLONIALISM WAHH
Africa is fucked because of the Africans. See South Africa. Until 1990 it was a first world nation, leading the way in weapons development, had little to no debt, an export economy and was generally a nice place to live if you weren't retarded. Now, it's in colossal debt, corruption reigns supreme and they can't even feed themselves. The only thing going strong in SA is the security industry set up and run by the whites, now defending companies from roving gangs of niggers instead of the country from invaders. Also Zimbabwae, but that story won't fit in this post
>>76773159
>THE NUMBER MASON
See Rotherham, London, Bradford etc. All places with massive crime, massive muslim populations and only exist because of liberals too afraid to call them out for being called racist.
>>76772262
I don't think it's about humanity as a whole, I think the main problem is islam. It has teachings that corrupt people. Some manage to be good people despite being muslims, but a lot of them follow their warlord tyrant pedophile prophet's example. Islam is not compatible with the West, and that is why I resist any globalist pushing for open borders.
>>76772844
I agree with this. I read an article saying political correctness would cannibalize itself in the pursuit of ultimate purity and goddamn if that's not what happened to me.
>>76760456
This is why the world is beginning to look to Russia and Putin.
Yeah, he has the capacity to be an absolute arsehole, but at least he will defend the faith and fight back against the scourge.
I share your sentiment OP. Voting for trump is a good idea in the sense that he will be cockblocked at every turn and will be unable to do much bad,
>>76773545
Okay, so your explanationf for Tunisia is?
Sure sure, there's no reliable reports because of the wascally wiberals.
>>76760674
Pacifist crap.
If God is a pacifist why did he arm the archangels?
>>76757174
>/pol/, I'm a liberal.
>>76773887
Lots of trade, a free market, trade with the west, not full of niggers, the most liberal interpretation of Islam in the world, and they still have mass shootings in the streets
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Sousse_attacks
>>76773584
I haven't read the Quran but I have read the Bible and I can tell you there's something rotten and barbaric in its origins that corrupts people too.
>>76773045
Every single part of the world has been brutalized and ravaged at one point or another. Why is it that only whitey and Asians, to a certain, can get back up? And there are numerous parts of Africa and South America that have remained virtually untouched by us "oh so evil white Devils". And they still remain festering shit holes.
Here's another thing though:
Why does it matter if one group of people pummeled another group of people a long time ago? The only thing that that tells me is that one group of people was better than another. It doesn't matter.
Finally, the most important point:
It doesn't matter, at all, when it comes "muh oppression". Do you really fucking think that the dindus and savages of the world give one, single measly little fuck about your "sense of muh history". Do you have any idea how little they fucking care? They don't fucking care, and they will take your generosity and cuckholdery and cram it up your asshole. No one gives a shit about your sense of history. Alls that matters is today you stupid, deluded, milquetoast faggot cunt.
>>76774048
>I haven't read the Quran
Then how can you say anything either way on Islam? I have read the Quran and I can tell you it's full of lines such as "bring terror unto those that refuse to convert"
>>76772397
i wasnt baiting you btw, im genuinely interested in what you have to say
>>76774046
I would also add that since the election of a secular president, Muslims have been bombing and shooting like mad since.
They're like spoiled children that finally get told off.
>>76773045
>affluent black neighborhood?
For real, show me one. I have literally never seen this.
>>76773942
I don't know if I believe in God but I know Christ said not even threat of death was justification for violence.
>>76774046
Lol like America doesn't have white guys shooting people in the streets all the time.
>>76773348
You probably got bullied by your fellow whites, because you're such a delusional, whiny dipshit who has no pride in your heritage or your culture. Look man, go out and try to mingle in with your black, liberal allies in the hood. I'm sure they will all greatly appreciate how much of a selfless cuck you are and your sense of history. This is laughably stupid.
>>76774048
It's because yours truly are behind both those books of lies and corruption
>>76774249
I haven't really defended it conceptually. Just that it, like any single trait, is not a reliable indicator of an individual's character.
Also? The Bible is full of that shit too.
>>76774578
>Lol like America doesn't have white guys shooting people in the streets all the time.
Yeah, those darned whites shooting up the joint.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_San_Bernardino_attack
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beltway_sniper_attacks
>>76773942
Yeah, alright, you got me.
>frustrated Christian.
>>76771603
It wasn't liberal in the whiny sense that's popularized, lad. It was only liberal because conservatives wanted to censor and control our hobbies because "muh values". 4chan's always hopped between left or right wing depending on what side threatens our freedom of speech. 4chan was liberal in the past because conservatives wanted to control our hobbies because they were violent, taboo or too sexualized, just as 4chan is conservative now because liberals wanted to control our hobbies for the same exact reason. Only difference was back then it's "muh values" whereas now it's "muh feelings".
>>76774774
>Also? The Bible is full of that shit too.
Could you provide a quote from the new testament, the one that actually applies to Christians? Didn't you just say that
>>76774578
>Christ said not even threat of death was justification for violence.
How are the Quran and Bible comparable if Chirst is saying never kill, while Muhammad is directly ordering his followers to murder those that do not convert?
This is feeling more and more like a lazy troll and less like a hard line liberal too set in his ways to consider any other views
>>76774249
I answered throughout the thread, but I suspect Trump is doing this for himself, has no core values, and is liable to pursue strongman tactics whenever his ego is injured. As anons have pointed out, what I suspect of Trump we know of Hillary.
>>76774048
Alright, I give up then. You're arguing about islam and its impact on Europe today while not being familiar with the religion's holy book. Are you even familiar with Mohammad's life and how it compares with that of Jesus'? I can't continue this if you don't even know what we're talking about.
Thanks for the talk either way. It's rare to see here people whose opinions differ from the consensus, and I enjoy chances to talk with people who might help me see things from a different POV. Although this time it felt a bit like smashing my head repeatedly onto a rock.
>>76774748
Oh of course how foolish of me.
>>76757174
>There's no significant difference between them when it comes to international hawkishness, soulless capitalism, or even social issues (Trump is a liberal masquerading as a conservative; sorry, Stormfags).
>So here I am, the prodigal Bernout, come to ask you for the first time with an open heart: why should I vote for Trump in November?
not an argument
>>76773942
>strict pacifist
Fucking delusional. Do you really think ANYONE else with dogmatic beliefs is going to respect YOUR dogmatic pacifism? PROTIP: THEY DONT GIVE A SHIT. THEY WILL CUT YOUR HEAD OFF REGARDLESS.
>>76775014
This is why I'm Christian and not a Jew.
>>76757174
Honestly there is no "good" choice for this election, I'm voting Trump for three reasons: I have to vote, I didn't sign that draft paper just to waste my votes. He makes both the republicucks and the democucks mad, by electing him we indicate that we no longer hold their values and will be willing to nominate non-establishment candidates rather than put up with their shit election after election. Last reason is because the alternatives are worse.
In short, you should vote for him because he's the least shitty candidate and his election may serve as a warning to the establishment parties.
>>76770098
The vast majority of muslims are "radical", meaning they support one or more of the principles that are revolting about Islam. This is a known and researched fact. Just because they don't live under sharia law now doesn't mean they wouldn't as a majority.
Also, if they're not "radicals", then they're not true Muslims. If they're not evil, warmongering, assholes like rapefugees and the ones still in the desert homeland, then they simply aren't following the teachings of the Quran and they aren't Muslim. The first few pages of the Quran are spent eternally condemning nonbelievers as filth that must be purged, and there are several websites dedicated to citing hundreds of choice quotes from the Quran that are all true and aren't out of context, I've checked a lot of them myself.
>>76775184
Memento mori, coward.
>>76774996
>this
Really when it comes down to it it's a big war with facts logic and free speech on one end and censorship on the other
>>76774108
as a student of the arabic language (and of islam, because the two are inseparable) i can tell you that the quran is an empty and hateful work. the bible has tone issues in places, granted, but they aren't in the same league as what muhammad wrote, not by a long shot. it's an overlong mess of heavy-handed authoritative law-giving written in one of the most retarded languages humans have ever shat out. i can't overstate how FUCKING DUMB arabic is. it is entirely unfit for human communication and is proof-positive of the sapir-whorf hypothesis.
>>76775233
Then why are you tolerant of a religion that directly threatens your life in it's holy books?
>>76757174
> thinking Trump is the same as Hillary on hawkishness
> browse /pol/ for 10 years
> not race realist
Kill yourself
>>76763881
Considering the founding fathers hated career politician you sound unAmerican
>>76775409
>what is moderate and secular adherents?
Also, I don't blame nonWestern Muslims for sympathizing with some degree of extremism. Why would they be on our side?
>>76775673
Didn't the founding fathers take turns at presidents for 2 terms, then voluntarily retire?
>>76775496
Blessed am I when persecuted in His name, duh.
>>76773159
You clearly haven't been on 4chan as long as you said you have. In the rapefugee flood, several local newspaper articles from various countries in Yuropoor were posted every day about the crimes of the rapefugees. It was constant theft, rape, murder, and kidnapping, and it's silly to assume that that has stopped at all. You can't even pretend that all of that barbarism was a reaction to some sort of injustice because they started their rampage the second they entered the countries.
Besides, even if they were "mistreated" on their way in, they still got in! Everyone in the USA that goes into an airport gets hassled by security but we don't go fucking raping people every time we go for a flight, now do we? We just move along and forget it because we're not stupid enough to let a few authoritarian douchebags turn us into a bunch of disgusting apes.
>>76757174
>liberal
>soulless capitalism
You are not a liberal. You are a progressive, just like the rest of the retards in your party. kys
https://youtu.be/R5Gppi-O3a8
