Can someone please teach me facism. and how can facism be implemented in a way that would keep citizens content? is it possible? Can facism be ballin with the right leader?
This is what I have gathered
>>76699903
>Can someone please teach me facism
>corporatism
>expansionism
>nationalism
>authoritarian
>anti-communist
>>76700319
if you have merit you can rise. who decides the merit? who decides the useful liberties?
>>76700574
This is something I wrote myself
People say that governments can be fascist, but they neglect to remind you that corporations are by definition fascist.
So let's examine what keeps employees happy in a corporation: money, recognition, and a sense of purpose. They have no say in how the corporation is run or what they are supposed to work on.
So "implemented fascism" in the US would be simple. Democracy would be restricted to "landowners" (historically, people who owned physical shares of the country). These people do not necessarily need to own property in the US, but can buy "shares" similar to treasury bonds that have no particular value except as one share equals one vote.
The plebs get a universally guaranteed basic income just for being a citizen of the country (since exports alone would not guarantee any profits), and healthcare would be free, as workers not in 100% condition are not making profits efficiently. The caveat: the government can tell them what job they must perform and what training they can take. The more skill required, the more the "income premium" they receive gets.
If you're thinking "this sounds like socialism with the government becoming a corporation," then you'd be right. Turns out the two concepts are identical, just the words used are differeny.
Make a pastebin with the text in your sceenshots.
Fascism is ultimately about information control.
I could go into deeper meaning, but it seems examples would be better, so bear with the green text list:
>promotion of censorship or silencing tactics against dissenters. This includes, but isn't limited to; media domination, fallacious or sophistry in arguments, use of Godwins law and other emotional appeals.
>in group and out group propaganda, almost like an esoteric and exoteric religious tradition, where it's one set of ideologies for your detractors to argue against (usually watered down) and another for your actual followers, which are generally more inflammatory and sophist, which you wouldn't want your opponents using against you.
>extreme focus on image, which is currently being described as "virtue signalling" but should be viewed more broadly. Usually this means an us and them attitude with "us" being the good guys.
>extreme authoritarianism called for to legislate their idea of virtue and their views, but also for censorship. Fascists typically correspond to bipartisan extremism and therefore authoritarianism. This is why libertarianism/classical liberalism is particularly resistant to fascism
>ideological reward, where meritocracy breaks down in favour of rewarding either those most patriotic to the state or those most fervent about the movement. This naturally tends to overreaching their mission scope as each successive generation becomes more extreme in search of gratification.
>hierarchical views, related to the us and them attitude as well as the aforementioned ideological reward, with "them" either on the bottom (if the fascists control the state) or on top if the fascist is inciting rebellion or "revolution." This is especially prevalent when certain demographics are unreachable, like Jews in Nazi Germany and high IQ white men with STEM degrees in left extremism.
>>76700319
>Fascism
>meritocratic
>Mexican
>Intellectual
Just what stood out
>>76700741
And it's miraculously bad.
Have you read 1984?
>>76701200
Nice western Jew definition of Fascist, might as well say leftist are the real Fascists.
>>76700458
Literally Singapore
>>76701200
Yes, it is my favourite instruction manual
>>76701162
Bump
>>76699903
Idk if the site's jew propaganda but they claim to have Mussolini's words on fascism and what it is
http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Germany/mussolini.htm
>>76701316
That's the point..
I know you're not a native English speaker, but for God's sake keep up.
>>76701333
Are you aware that you actually have no idea what fascism is and are basically defining your idealistic utopia? My biggest issue is meritocracy, it's an extremely difficult thing to promote and it's entirely possible to damage it when you wish to foster it, like affirmative action in hiring.
Sure, MAYBE it's fair to give a bunch of "underprivileged minorities" degrees, maybe people will forget how much soft bigotry was involved in their GPA, but now that everyone has degrees is it fair to continue this on to hiring? Of course not, but sociology major Suzie who just landed her HR job can't see any other way she can abuse her power in the name of equality of representation based on a hierarchy that does not exist out of her sociology class.
This is identically paralleled in Nazi Germany, people who proved they were loyal to state, to the point that being a teacher meant Nazi membership was all but compulsory, are unequally advantaged. Again, this introduces an incentive for more and more extremism.
In neither situation is a candidate being selected for personality character or for their technical skills, which if it were, like how extremism was rewarded in Nazi Germany, would result in incentives for merit.
Have I proven yet that fascism is antithetical to meritocracy? Good, delete your fucking posts.
>>76701966
>>76701162
How Bout no, bootlicker?
>>76702120
You wrote all of that... For me?!
>Senpai...
(thanks for pointing out the holes, now I am on my way to fix them)
>>76701200
this is the most blue pilled shit ive ever seen on pol
>>76699903
Facism can only work in small tight knit homogeneous societies, a lot like socialism.
>>76702289
The more you'll fix them, the closer you'll get to national syndicalism which isn't fascism of any sort and the best stepping stone is actually a small business oriented free market capitalist libertarian utopia. You'll be basically arguing for me instead of against me.
>>76702319
Not an argument.
>>76699903
fascism is trump lol
This is a pretty good intro
https://radio.therightstuff.biz/2016/06/02/manifest-destiny-doctrine-of-fascism/
>>76702407
No, it works as longs as you have goons to enforce it.
>>76700319
By that definition isn't napoleon and the French empire fascist as well?
>>76702483
We will se that later m8, neither of us have nothing to loose in the pursuit of truth
>>76702601
Since it is from a /fascist/ General they tend to see everything that functions as fascism or some kind f proto-fascism
>>76702601
Yes, Napoleon was a big inspiration of Mussolini, as was the Roman Empire which employed most of these tactics: >>76701200
Again Christians, which is actually why revelations is so hard to interpret because it's a subtle antiroman piece.
Fascism is all about the hearts and minds of the people, it's collectivist in a world that excels with individualism.
>>76702587
This. Provided you have control over the enforcers, the police and or military, you can basically do anything in government.
High unemployment can be used here.
>>76702503
Trump is no fascist. He is an imbecile.
Our time is coming, but it is not here yet.
Fascism will never be implemented with citizens consent. Just look at this >>76701200
That's what people think fascism is.
Now, I know three fascist that got democtratically elected: Miguel Primo de Rivera in Spain, Hamas in Gaza and Adolf Hitler in Germany.
Since WWII the jews made sure to do everything in their hands so fascism can't triumph ever again.
They transformed the vast majority of the population into zombies so no fascist party will be elected.
This way, a coup d'etat like Franco's is highly unlikely because it would mean that most of the population should perish in order to stablish a new order.
They are also in power of the educational institutions and they have agents everywhere to manipulate elections if necessary.
Fascism won't come back unless there's a huge transition over a long period of time so we can say byebye.
Edward Mosley came up with a great model of fascism where people still retained the ability to vote in the parliament while the core politics in the country won't be fucked up by liberal thinking and the jew agenda.
>>76703273
You do not need to brand it as fascism. You can act under another name
>>76703360
This. Only a brain dead stormfag would bitch about Jews and openly call himself a fascist.
>>76703273
>That's what people think fascism is.
And how's """the real fascism""" different from what mr. Aussie wrote?
>>76703360
People will band you as fascist even if you're just slightly to the right.
That's another jew firewall to prevent fascism to succeed, making it a trigger word.
Also with massive immigration people lost their identitarian sentiment which is 50% of fascism.
This guy doesn't talk about fascism but he explains how this identitarian feeling is dying through mass immigration
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQaIEnQz6RY
>>76702503
Trump attacks big business
>>76700457
>That Georgia Guidestones inscription at the bottom
>>76699903
Fascism fails pretty much the same way as communism/socialism/democracy/etc. Fails like any other system of governance really.
A leader who is corrupted by power and indulges in personality cults, self-enrichment, and petty/vindictive behavior will fuck up any system. Stalin started out seeking to be the most corrupt piece of shit even before Lenin died. Mussolini is basically the Stalin of fascism but dumber and more cowardly. Hitler gave in to corruption when he became chancellor and failed to see the incompetence behind the fawning praise of his appointed underlings, leading to questionable military decisions and wasting resources on useless or unfeasible weapons.
>>76703674
What about doing what /pol/'s version of the nazi party did: Help the country. We will look like socialists on the outside, paint everything like that "I oppose X company because it hurts the Y local sector" Love nature (Since many branches of fascism are very naturalistic in nature), look like leftist eco-friendly ward-working people. Then you can make you move into discretely show the true face of fascism. Once it stops being a buzzword you may come out, you may be rejected at first, but people will seek the truth
>>76703273
Reverse argumentum ad populum, I'm wrong because I have the populist view.
NOT AN ARGUMENT.
>Since WWII the jews made sure to do everything in their hands so fascism can't triumph ever again.
No, that's right wing politics which I actually mentioned as being targeted via Godwins law. When you use my own points... Fuck. Fascists are dumb, your foot has so many holes in it Jesus would be impressed
>This way, a coup d'etat like Franco's is highly unlikely because it would mean that most of the population should perish in order to stablish a new order.
Undemocratic bolshevism is a bad thing. Do you need me to run your face in the Marxist fascism that was Stalinism?
>They are also in power of the educational institutions and they have agents everywhere to manipulate elections if necessary.
Kind of like in Nazi Germany, huh? >>76702120
Fascism is coming closer than you think, Bilderberg are debating whether or not to go ahead with left wing fascism and basically end democracy, isn't that what you want?
>>76703557
My advice to fascists...
This is how they silence you, the moment you mention Jews is the moment you invite Godwin's law to silence you. If you must, talk about merchants and mercantilism.
>>76703674
Mass immigration is being used to create a stronger left wing voter base in defence against the backlash towards the very fascism white male libertarians are shitting on throughout all of YouTube. Reminder, only 6% of people take the mainstream media, this is by nature bolshevism.
And do you really think ethnic identity is essential to fascism? Identity, absolutely, but this can be achieved through critical theory sophistry to convince people they're oppressed through some made up hierarchy. They now identify as the "us" against them.
Fascism is our real enemy and is employed by any political extremism except maybe libertarianism. Maybe.
>>76704102
That's called protectionism, still not fascism.
>>76704171
>If you must, talk about merchants and mercantilism
Well, it's also the fact that anti-Jewish shit was propaganda. You are retarded if you actually think Jews are the biggest problem we are facing.
>>76703586
Fascism is a broad concept and he's just talking about possible applications for it (who are not present in all fascist movements). Also what he says applies to perfection to most lefty movements these days so that wouldn't differentiate fascism with democracy because democratic parties are alredy extremely focusing in image, full retard on propaganda, extreme authoritarian legislation and very rewarding (for now) to the useful idiots.
Now, what fascism is really about? Like I said it's a broad concept and can be applied differently. The core points are patriotism, homogeneity and defense. Also, the most obvious thing is the stablishment of a political party that will ensure the values of the nation remain because the democratic process is nothing but a race to see who manipulates more voters to be elected and break all promises after while you steal all you can.
If you read Mosley or Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera you'll see one model of fascism much different from Mussolini, Hitler and DeGrelle. Fascism can still give power to the people while also ensuring they don't fuck up electing crooks (which is what we have now worldwide).
>>76704171
>Fascism is our real enemy
Our real enemy against what goal? I'm not sure what you're advocating or what your views are.
>>76699903
Kill yourself.
>>76699903
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYlUvQ0d7JM
>>76704777
Trips Demand you to listen
>>76704970
>Augustus Invictus
I'm skeptical of this lolbertarian but i'll do it for the trips.
>>76704371
Actually I think a controlled opposition, including stormfronters who are naturally at odds with 4chan libertarianism, come here and perpetuate the Jewish merchant meme in order to make us much easier to silence. They want that ace up the sleeve, they want to be able to whip out Godwin's law and suddenly everything you say is wrong so says everyone who's played wolfenstein or seen captain America movies.
You think you're funny with antisemitism, but that's because you're too immature to see what's actually happening. Maybe there are Jews behind some of this, but your antisemitism actually makes them more bulletproof.
>>76704629
Get the message.
Left wing extremists are fascists.
We must stop the fascists.
We must stop the extremists on either camp.
Either side is extremely dangerous.
>>76704662
Meritocratic society that rewards and incentivises values/traits that are probably beneficial in the future. A socially eugenic society. The evolution of the human race to a cosmic species.
This isn't possible when people are rewarded based on their probability of political conformity to the appropriate, politically correct views. Why would anyone attempt excellence when all they need is either the right genitals+skin colour or the willingness to sell their soul and yell heil loud enough?
A lack of meritocracy can only lead to laziness.
>>76704970
You negate the strong numbers by pointing it out yourself.
>>76699903
Fascist is the best thing this is why they demonized it so much ..
>>76704171
Ad hominem to try to discredit the other side of the debate. Do you think you're a special snowflake? You're as hypocritical as the average liberal.
>When you use my own points... Fuck
You can't even articulate your points of view you had to stop mid-sentence. Dunno if you even realized where were you going. I use your points of view because what you described was not fascism but what we have today. That's the problem with you zombies. You've been indoctrinated into bad definitions of words. Are "democratic" parties not censoring news? Are they not trying to ban political parties directly opposed to theirs? Are they not trying to push their agenda into both their voters and their non-voters? Are they not funding and protecting abiders of the regimee while punishing and arresting opposition regardless of their peaceful nature who just want to protest.
>>They are also in power of the educational institutions and they have agents everywhere to manipulate elections if necessary.
>Kind of like in Nazi Germany, huh?
Did you just prove my point? Are you actually shitposting? Democracy doesn't exist because this particular point. The political party in power doesn't get elected by the will of the people but by a heavy indoctrination program of dumbing down the population and importing potential voters. Basically killing the country, eliminating the middle class and replacing it with plebs that will obey the regimee.
I hope you're a tourist, I've never been this dissapointed in Australia in my time here.
>>76705087
KEK MUST BE WITNESSED
>>76705087
>Either side is extremely dangerous
No it's not. Radicals will dominate the world one way or another. Better go for radicalism to protect your people and values than radicalism for a new world order. All moderate parties are falling to the latter, open your eyes.
Read Edward Mosley or Primo. They believed in an elected parliament under fascism to carry out the will of the people. They're not just knuckleheads with bloodlust.
>>76700606
What group does the sigma represent?
>>76704777
That video is part of a three part series.
Fireside Chat #9: On Fascism (Part I of III)
https://soundcloud.com/invictusforsenate/fireside-chat-on-fascism
Fireside Chat #10: On Violence in the Name of Humanity
(Series on fascism, part II of III)
https://soundcloud.com/invictusforsenate/fireside-chat-on-violence-in-the-name-of-humanity
Fireside Chat #11: On Our Adoption of the Fasces
(Series on fascism, part III of III)
https://soundcloud.com/invictusforsenate/fireside-chat-on-our-adoption-of-the-fasces
>>76705485
Brazilian Integralism
>>76705517
w-wait.... are you?
>>76704777
Sophistry.
>>76705164
In fact, meritocracy. Pic related.
>>76705261
>Ad hominem to try to discredit the other side of the debate.
The only ad hominem I've used in this thread is where I asked OP if he has read 1984. Do you know what an ad hominem is?
This is the fallacy fallacy.
>Do you think you're a special snowflake?
Except this is an ad hominem.
>>When you use my own points... Fuck
>You can't even articulate your points of view you had to stop mid-sentence.
You're just not worthy of articulation. I won't repeat myself for you.
>Did you just prove my point?
No, you have proven mine. That's the point.
>I hope you're a tourist, I've never been this dissapointed in Australia in my time here.
Negating my point due to being Australian is also an ad hominem.
You realize you've been blown the fuck out? You're mad, I''ve been proven right and not a single counterargument to support fascism.
>>76705407
So you're resorting to tribalism?
Every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud, adopts as a last resource pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and happy to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority.
>>76705517
Your videos are utterly unconvincing to anyone weary of your tactics. Emotional language is no substitute for logic and reason, although a fascist generally believes it is.
DIRECT DEMOCRACY 2.0 NOW !
>>76704629
>The core points are patriotism, homogeneity and defense
Are you sure about the "defense" part? Shouldnt it be "power"? Because, you know, those who talk most about defense are those who are "defending" themselves on neighbors lawn.
>extreme authoritarian legislation
>full retard on propaganda
That's something a liberal would suggest. Over the past two decades there were indeed valuable liberties lost, but we are still far from an "extreme". t. someone from country that suffered fascism and communism
>Also, the most obvious thing is the establishment of a political party that will ensure the values of the nation remain
If we are talking about conserving values, thats what conservatism is for. Not to mention fascistic values are incompatible with some of the western nations.
>democratic process is nothing but a race to see who manipulates more voters to be elected and break all promises after while you steal all you can.
And fascism in nothing but a game of whack a mole against dissenters. Nothing is perfect. And democracy would actually be better at expressing national values, since in democracy it is the nation who holds the power.
>>76700319
>pragmatism AND tradition
Proof positive fascists have gone full retard.
You can't be a pragmatist and adhere to traditions simply because they're traditions, and if you're following a tradition because it's the most practical way to do something, it's only nominally traditional.
>>76705087
>>76705863
>Meritocratic society that rewards and incentivises values/traits that are probably beneficial in the future. A socially eugenic society
And I would say that is completely against human biology. The point of man is to uplift his own people. Those that look like him. Those that share his blood. Peace might exist for a time but eventually >>76705407 is correct. Ideologies will be taken to their logical conclusions and radical, destructive behavior will set in. It takes a heavy hand to stop such things and "The evolution of the human race to a cosmic species" will come from the competition of separate peoples. Tribalism is not weakness or failure. It is the best tool humans are equipped with to advance themselves
>>76704044
It makes some sense to me, this is where I keep all unsorted ideas
>>76702120
>My biggest issue is meritocracy, it's an extremely difficult thing to promote and it's entirely possible to damage it when you wish to foster it, like affirmative action in hiring.
There's a difference between equality of opportunity and equality of outcome my friend.
>>76706047
Traditionalism comes from what has being proven, not only "just because that's what we have always done"
Order and Progress, while not mutually exclusive, are difficult to combine
>>76705087
Would you mind giving an example of what you consider a successful, non fascist country (doesn't have to modern).
I agree a left wing fascist state is forming, just look at the EU, but you're starting to get to the point where everything is fascist.
>>76706262
Redefining traditionalism to basically be a synonym for pragmatism doesn't make you correct, spic.
>>76705863
>The only ad hominem I've used in this thread is where I asked OP if he has read 1984. Do you know what an ad hominem is?
>This is the fallacy fallacy.
>Fascists are dumb
That's not ad hominem or you don't even read yourself?
>Except this is an ad hominem.
Just because you're offended by it doesn't make it so
>You're just not worthy of articulation. I won't repeat myself for you.
You're not worth reading and here I am, trying to educate you. You just can't come up with logical arguments
>No, you have proven mine
Maybe in your dreams, but not in reality. I proved to you that you live in a fantasy and that you have the wrong concept of fascism that others told you to believe. You're now just narrating things the way that's more fit to you (as in "you lost, I won, that's my point").
>Negating my point due to being Australian is also an ad hominem.
>You realize you've been blown the fuck out? You're mad, I''ve been proven right and not a single counterargument to support fascism.
Going back to my previous point "you lost, I won, look how mad you are and how satisfied I am".
Literally arguing like a child.
Fascist should work with a Proper AI !
But Direct Democracy 2.0 IS WAY more EXITING !
>>76706215
He meant that in fascist society the "most qualified" people would be those who'll be most virtuous and the most virtuos people would be those most loyal to the party.
>>76706262
>Traditionalism comes from what has being proven, not only "just because that's what we have always done"
Whats the difference? If something was done long enough to be "what we've always done" it is measured as proven. If you want to be more effective you would have to abandon the tradition and start something new. Traditionalism is an emphasis on reliability and stability, not on progress or efficiency.
What ever I am out of here ..
>>76705994
>Are you sure about the "defense" part?
Yes, we're talking about fascism, not fascists. Each one has its own interpretation on different matters. Again, read Mosley or Primo and tell me they advocated for a more invasive form of fascism.
>t. someone from country that suffered fascism and communism
Same here.
>Not to mention fascistic values are incompatible with some of the western nations
Current western nations, sure. If twerking, sexual liberation, oversexualized media and so on are "values".
>And fascism in nothing but a game of whack a mole against dissenters
No. It's a very basic set of rules. It's a game of "if you don't like tenis go play soccer with someone else but leave us alone alredy".
>Nothing is perfect. And democracy would actually be better at expressing national values, since in democracy it is the nation who holds the power.
Democracy is not only not perfect but also weak. We're supposed to live under democracy but nobody is really free. Or do you really think that the majority of people want mass immigration? Is democracy good when the majority of the people wants to suicide and destroy years of civilization? Also democracy is fascist to the other part of the population that didn't vote for the decissions of the majority. So an "evil" party only needs to manipulate a high percentage of the population and there you go, you're fucked up anyway.
>>76702527
Do you have an invite to the TRS forums? been seeing a few links around and wanting to get on there
>>76707124
I want one too. Feel like I'm left out of the cool kid's club.
>>76706435
>left wing fascist state
anglosphere should be burned
whats next, right wing communism?
>>76706215
Hey, you feel familiar ;)
Yes, I love it when people say that, especially to a large +100,000 person audience. Equality of opportunities is exactly what I want, but the argument that certain demographics are less likely to have a degree and therefore have fewer opportunities always rears its ugly head. For the sake of intellectual honesty I can entertain that, but when you get to these ideas being applied to employment you've suddenly lost all grasp on anything even related to anything egalitarian besides outcome.
That's actually, in my opinion, the only social issue that matters. Job applicants are not fairly competing.
>>76706059
Of course.
People don't have the wisdom to either accept competition or accept their probability of failure, so they try to subvert this. Meritocracy is scary to everyone, except the strong.
I see you read my post on tribalism, good.
Can you accept that beneficial traits can be found in people, albeit more or less commonly, despite skin colour or gender? If so, can you accept that these people should be given as much opportunity to either prove themselves strong or weak as the rest?
If the strong deserve their status, they will ideally be given their status, but only if they deserve it. Being prioritised for any reason that's not related to their effectiveness is dysgenic.
You've obviously alluded to in group and out group preferences, have you heard about how two wrongs don't make a right? Combating inequality with more inequality is arming firemen with flame throwers.
>>76706435
Chile. No natural resources, shit selfidentity and somehow one of the strongest economies in south America.
>>76706890
Of course.
It's rewards based on factors that have nothing to do with effectiveness.
>>76706523
No, calling fascists dumb is not an ad hominem, it's a blatant insult. Grow a hide and take the banter.
You still haven't refuted my belief that fascism is dysgenic, nor have you given me any counterarguments I can work with.
>>76707213
Yep. It's like trying to get into private trackers all over again.
>tfw no real friends in online clubs
>>76707324
You realize that nations like Nazi Germany and North Korea were/ are left wing and fascist. Fascism in essence is only extreme nationalism.
>>76699903
Here's a basic primer on what fascism is by a guy who watched it form in Italy.
http://www.pegc.us/archive/Articles/eco_ur-fascism.pdf
>>76699903
>Can someone please teach me facism.
No, because no one knows what Fascism is, because Fascism is really in the eye of the beholder. I've done political philosophy and read Herder and Fichte and other great German philosophers that contributed to the formation of German Fascism, and guess what? If you read their shit, you'd just say, "Oh, wait... I see the same in a bunch of different systems, including Communist states."
Honestly, Fascism is one of the most pointless things to study because how up to interpretation it is. Technically, Hobbes was a Fascist, you know that? Fucking Hobbes.
Waste your time on Fascism all you want, and you'll find the more you learn the less you know.
Have fun learning nothing.
>>76707424
if nationalism = fascism then why are there different words?
>>76707685
Fascism isn't exactly one thing. Super nationalism is all that the Fascist countries had in common. Fascist Spain/ Italy/ Germany had extremely different economies.
>>76707647
How do you feel about my definition that fascism is systematic information control? I think we can both agree fascism definitely has something to do with image.
I'm asking based on your alleged education, BTW.
>>76701200
Grow a fucking spine.
>>76707685
This is the fucking problem, right here.
This guy isn't an idiot, and he's asking a perfectly valid question.
You wanna know what the answer to this question is?
Fascism means nothing and people mostly use it to categorize a style of movements that came about in the early 20th century that weren't Capitalist Democracies and weren't Communist.
Honestly, get ready to ask yourself this question a bunch of times.
>>76708017
>How do you feel about my definition that fascism is systematic information control?
I guess, it's descriptive of certainly Hitler's Germany. Again, though, you find this kind of behavior even in some democracies. Not sure what you mean by "image". Like are you saying that in order to preserve a certain image of society/state, certain information is suppressed?
>>76707938
Okay, here's something to further fuck you over: according to some literature on the issue, Fascism seeks to control both corporations and unions. This means that economic system can be whatever the fuck the strongman wants, which means that trying to pin any sort of economic system to Fascism is a fool's errand, which means that Fascism is just a smarty-pants word for just "Dictatorship."
>>76707337
>Can you accept that beneficial traits can be found in people, albeit more or less commonly, despite skin colour or gender
yes
> If so, can you accept that these people should be given as much opportunity to either prove themselves strong or weak as the rest?
No. There is no point in letting outgroups evolve if they would overtake your own. You are right in your Darwinian mindset but wouldn't want you call "dysgenics" just be another measure of "strength"?
>>76708245
Not an argument.
But a cute comment after all the fascists criticised me for banter.
>>76708346
Something I learned in high school, where our teacher haphazardly equated fascism with some sort of image formation, like a strong leader or what not.
I'm actually saying it goes both ways, information is suppressed, some information is released to some people, some to others (a trusted group) and in general is just about information manipulation. It seems the most common defining element of fascism whether Roman, Spartan, German, Italian or even the current fascist attempt.
Just controlling the information, which of course implies some form of authoritarianism.
>>76708452
>There is no point in letting outgroups evolve if they would overtake your own
How about because they have a potential to be better?
I'm not sure if you realise how contradictory your argument is. Meritocracy is good... Unless these traits are exhibited which you've admitted have nothing to do with what we're selecting for. Then how is that meritocracy?
Why would I excel when I know I've got a free pass against my competitors due to having the unique advantage of being similar to my selectors?
Where "being similar" may be substituted for any trait that has no bearing on effectiveness.
>>76707324
Do you even know what "right wing/left wing" are?
Fascism can be in the form of either.
>>76707020
>Yes, we're talking about fascism, not fascists.
Well, then. Fascists are usually "offensive" and sometimes "defensive". But for both offense and defense need Power. Saying that fascism is about defense is a bit dishonesfull, since it is always easier to gain power while pretending you are on defense. If I recall correctly there was not a war in 20th century when one of the sides would not say they are defending something.
>Current western nations, sure. If twerking, sexual liberation, oversexualized media and so on are "values".
Those are just fads not values. Freedom and individualism can manifest themselves in both sexual and scientific revolution. What you are witnessing is just the classical debauchery of winners.
>No. It's a very basic set of rules. It's a game of "if you don't like tenis go play soccer with someone else but leave us alone alredy".
Dumb analogy, The guy cant leave you alone because the game is played in his home too.
>Democracy is not only not perfect but also weak.
It kinda is, but it also kind of won the Great conflict of 20th century against both communism and fascism
>We're supposed to live under democracy but nobody is really free.
Define "really free". Also if you are advocating fascism why the hell you care about freedom?
>Also democracy is fascist to the other part of the population that didn't vote for the decissions of the majority.
And logical conclusion from this point would be to make minority make the decisions or abandon the concept of state?
>Or do you really think that the majority of people want mass immigration?
Some are willing to pay that price for the freedom of travel, some are not. Depends how severe that immigration is.
>So an "evil" party only needs to manipulate a high percentage of the population and there you go, you're fucked up anyway.
In other case they would need to influence a high percentage of the ruling class, so there's little difference.
>>76709436
>Left-wing politics supports social equality and egalitarianism, often in opposition to social hierarchy and social inequality
how can an ideology that inherently divides people into hierarchal groups be left wing?
>>76707337
>Can you accept that beneficial traits can be found in people, albeit more or less commonly, despite skin colour or gender? If so, can you accept that these people should be given as much opportunity to either prove themselves strong or weak as the rest?
>If the strong deserve their status, they will ideally be given their status, but only if they deserve it. Being prioritised for any reason that's not related to their effectiveness is dysgenic.
The problem is, what if you know the strong want to destroy your meritocracy system?
A perfect example is the stereotypical fear of Jews in a society. Everyone's competing fairly, at some point a Jew wins out and becomes the employer and decides to no longer hire based on strength, but just hires based on who is and isn't Jewish. You can try and make that illegal but that's where the water gets murky
Your ideal system is vulnerable to the very thing you critique.
>>76709720
Simple, by making those groups based on how much you support left wing ideology. The hypocrisy just makes it all the more insane.
>>76709008
>How about because they have a potential to be better?
Simply allowing for something that would threaten your existence because it would be "better" is beyond stupid. You're individualist view is simply wrong. The greats of each civilization are not simply the product of their own genetics. They are fostered in the culture and lifestyle that is natural to their own people. The one that you grow up in is worth preserving, any threat to it unavoidably leads to conflict that will inevitably hurt your unique collective's ability to produce something of virture.
So yes, Meritocracy is useful but only up to a point. In group preferences should be utilized to secure the future of your unique people.
>>76699903
it isn't so because it's true.
it isn't so because it's right.
it's so because i say so and i will use violence to back it.
>>76709720
Oh and to clarify. That's not what the left wing is. The left wing is simply "progress", or a better word is change, because it's not always a change for the better. ie "affirmative action" is in no way egalitarian but it definitely a left wing policy.
The right wing is conservatism, potentially a regression to something former but ultimately trying to conserve some system and/or ideals.
It's why it's stupid to say "I am X wing" because there's always going to be some things in society you want to see change, and others you want to keep the status quo on.
>>76709968
What benefit is there to hiring so lazily? You can't assure every Jew will excel therefore it's not in your company's best interest to hire exclusively based on Jewishness. I've used the word ideal enough to demonstrate that I know stereotypes will always surface, but in an ideal world anyone hiring this lazily would simply be fired as not acting in the company's best interest.
And of course what I'm arguing against is in direct opposition to what I'm advocating for.
>>76710177
>Simply allowing for something that would threaten your existence because it would be "better" is beyond stupid.
Are you making the argument that competition is bad because you might lose?
>The greats of each civilization are not simply the product of their own genetics. They are fostered in the culture and lifestyle that is natural to their own people.
This remains to be proven... In fair, equal competition.
>So yes, Meritocracy is useful but only up to a point. In group preferences should be utilized to secure the future of your unique people.
But in group preferences means those of the in group don't have to try as hard, it fosters laziness.
>>76710490
>But in group preferences means those of the in group don't have to try as hard
No, it means your people will have a background to build upon and a community to fall back on. Life is inherently difficult.
>Are you making the argument that competition is bad because you might lose?
I'm making the argument that groups should naturally try to beat any competition against themselves. That is competition.
The fact that 150 IQ Mugombo in Africa doesn't have the oppurtuinty and that there hasn't been any "fair, equal competition" only reinforces my view. What you are advocating for is not built for the human race.
>>76710230
oh shit. our governemt is fascists?
>>76711098
both fascism and a lot of us government buildings take style inspiration from rome
>>76705994
>communism
>he thinks communism is its post-revolutionary sublation as stalinism in the role of capitalist industrialization in the 20th century
>>76711561
well roman concrete is so superior . why not their facism?
