Do my fellow /pol/acks own a gun? Europeans need not apply can you even own a butter knife
Of course we do. /pol/ has endless gun threads.
>>76678593
I haven't seen to many other than the ones today cause of commiefornia
I own many and I carry one every day.
>>76678217
I don't, right now. What's a good gun for home defense? I'm getting my concealed carry permit next month too, so any suggestions on guns for carry is cool too. Theres a retired cop down the street from me who took me shooting. He said with my aim I should just look into a Smith and Wesson 45 revolver.
i own a boomerang so the jokes on you
>>76678217
>Do my fellow /pol/acks own a gun?
No, but I am thinking about an AR-15 for home defense.
>>76678217
Why does everyone thinks its hard for Europeans to get a gun?
It's easy as fuck in Germany
>>76678217
Yeah like a billion
>>76679491
Do it if you have the cash to spend. If Clinton wins panic prices will kick in.
>>76679665
What kind of guns can you own? Weren't people arrested for using pepper spray defending from a rapist?
>>76678217
>I need a gun
America will arm me for free if i need one.
>>76679116
A good carry gun is whatever you are comfortable with and is practical. MP shield series And glocks are popular choices. Fuck that guy a .45 revolver is a shitty carry weapon and you just need to practice. Go to /k/ they will help you
![20160609_213757[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/bi6EwoL.jpg "20160609_213757[1].jpg")
I got a .50 muzzle loader pistol
carry concealed everywhere
>>76678217
33 guns here, I'm also a shooting instructor.
>>76678768
>>76679116
It's my Birthday today (46) and I live in kommifornia. And I was one of the first threads to report concealed carry is dead in Kali.
Please shoot someone for me. A thug of course.
>>76678217
This is one of thrm fbi threads.
We all have bombs and tons of guns. We also all suffer from severe mental disorders and are prone to violence.
Got my first handgun at 17 off Craigslist 21 now and have many many guns
>>76682490
happy bday pops
M&P shield 9. Just picked up a box of hydra shock jhp yesterday actually. Have a full side M&P as well in the bedroom
91/30
Marlin XT-22
Type 99 Arisaka
Old yugo SKS
Old .22 Buckmark
Old Auto Ordnance 1911
Tech 9
Mac 11
Chinese Tokarev
.38 Taurus
Old Auto Ordnance .30 carbine
Single shot 12 gauge of unknown origin
Old .22 Saturday night special of unknown origin
Old .38
>>76679491
>Using an ar for home defense
>not a splattergat
>>76683234
That's my choice. I've got a cheap short 20ga full of 00 buckshot that I won't mind having confiscated should I ever need to use it.
>>76681263
That is badass
>>76678217
A dozen various rifles/shotguns
Mostly bolt guns (sporting and milsurp) and a few break action shotguns
I have a 44 bulldog I carry everywhere and I live in NYC. Fuck it. I'm not getting robbed or jumped by these scumbags out here.
>>76683510
Good, the 2nd is your right anyways, fuck em
>>76683148
>tec9
>mac11
>taurus
NIGGER detected
>>76679116
I like the XD series because they have so many features and the mags are great.
>>76679491
>AR-15
this could mean so many different things these days but i'll just assume you mean a rifle, not a meme shotgun or 9mm conversion etc. etc.
be sure to use polymer tip or frangible ammo inside a home.
>>76683148
also forgot sat night special
>>76683486
To add, muh K31 is my weaponfu.
I've got a few.
>>76682845
Thanks, son. Here, learn to make a gun,
http://www.genitron.com/Basics/Interactive-Glock-Pistol
>>76684248
God I love the look of WW bolt actions
I really need to get a mauser/m1903 or that enfield.
>>76684774
If I ever had to make something I'd probably make a potato canon. Don't really need much in the way of precision parts, and you can definitely give someone a very, very bad day if you can hit him.
And why not make several so you can get off more than one shot before having to reload?
>>76683698
>>76683751
Fuck you, my dad gave them to me.
My EDC is actually a Walther PPS just like that one (with night sights).
Got a safe full of pistols and rifles with the thing that goes up though
>>76678217
The PPS is a really comphy gun to hold and carry, but it has miserable capacity terrible trigger slap and it's mag release is kinda bad. If it's all you can get it works, but you have to shoot it in and use heavy grease on the trigger group like lithium to ease the slap. If you can get a shield. The compact glocks and xd's are good too. That being said if you plan on getting into or out of a firefight get a god damn rifle, or at bare minimum a decent shotgun. A pistol is for beating some asshole in a melee, or to fight your way to a rifle, or to shoot somebody in the back with. If you can ever avoid it never pick a fight with a pistol. Hell even in commiefornia you can get a decent rifle right now. Turner's has AR's for less than 600$. Go to Brownells or Midway and get a proper mag release for like 30 Buck's. You don't even need tools to change it out.
>>76682490
How could those horrible ugly tiny little "tits" ever be okay?!
>>76686386
Look at her arm. She's a cutter. Tits are the least of your worries.
>>76682986
This probably the best concealed auto loader on the market right now. Get the Crimson trace anon it is so worth it.
>>76685482
I've made several. These shoot AA batteries.
Protip: 1/2" copper pipe sleeves AA batteries well, and irrigation valves switch air just fine.
Pic related.
That said, I only get about 200MPH out of them. Actual black powder steel pipe guns are much much better.
>>76686613
Wow, that's some fancy there. I never bothered to go beyond simple 1-3" PVC designs. Use some wadding and plenty of accellerent and I don't know about velocity but it'll bury anything with enough structural integrity into a mound of dirt. I've heard nice things about sizing them for D-cell batteries.
>>76679491
>>76683234
>>76683407
What are tap rounds. If you need penetration swap to a mag with 855.
https://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2015/5/26/the-ar-for-home-defense-one-experts-opinion
>>76685582
> dad
> guns
> gave
Son, you should be so satisfied with such an amazing, loving father that you are hereby forbidden to ever get mad on this board. It is a travesty to do so. I'm not calling you out on any privilege, but you are above this shit, my man.
>>76687408
Can I still get mad at jews.
>>76687172
Old magazines rolled as tightly as you possibly can and wrapped in duct tape are badass and reusable if you can find them.
We had a cannon as kids that used hair spray as fuel. It would launch them well over one hundred yards. We eventually stepped up to ether and they really flew. That didn't last long though as it blew the cap off the back and split the barrel lengthwise. We were lucky it did not detonate I guess.
>>76687172
>>76687172
Thanks, but they were my 8th or 9th gun.
In this pic we have from left to right:
> Child Chalk Gun. Shoots sidewalk chalk. Fun. Non-electric, uses blowgun to vent valve. 3/4" PVC>
> Battery gun, 1st iteration. Longer barrel. Other pic are carbines I made for friends.
> Apple Gun. 2" PVC. Shoot apples. Awesome.
> Potato Gun. 1st one I made. Tank way way too big.
You can get all you need to make black powder at Amazon. Float charcoal, sulfur, and potassium nitrate. Use a coffee grinder and a mortar and pestle. Fun. Keep safe and don't inflate over 80psi.
>>76688096
>Apple Gun
Food doesn't really make the most effective ammunition, but there's something really satisfying about the way it splatters and just basically turns into mist, bits, and a big stain upon impact.
>>76687408
What my dad bought me a hunting rifle a few christmases ago. It's not that uncommon.
>>76688441
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXy6kXAYDtc
> no bully.
Ammo is definitely a different animal. Genius is finding the best marriage between the right gun and the right ammo.
>>76678217
>>76678217
I have that pistol.
>>76688759
lel those have some nice kick, but it'd be even more fun to shoot from across the street.
imo he benefit of the "just a barrel" design is that you can easily brace it into your center of mass, even if you're not an OPERATOR.
>>76681263
Are you a pirate?
100% legal in Europe
>>76689326
I've got a couple of 1858 Remingtons. They're lots of fun for not much money.
Yes
>>76689716
r u a kangaroo?
>>76689716
WTF!!!!
>>76683700
I know you're probably trolling but I have one and have never had a problem
>>76678217
Px4 in 9mm and a Remington 700
I have dozens of guns and tens of thousands of rounds of ammunition and a twitter account with a swastika on it
>>76678217
Team Canada reporting in
Just got my ID and permit the other day senpai. Too bad I live in a no fun state so it has to stay home and I can't even have a collapsible stock on an AR.
>>76679116
Probably a basic Glock 19 or m&pc in 9mm.
>>76678217
I'll never own a gun again after I lost all of mine in a tragic boating accident.
>>76682986
>Hydrashock
Gross. If you're serious about carrying that get some Winchester Ranger Ts 147 or Federal HST 147 gr
>>76690151
Sad but true, mine suffered the same fate.
>>76689716
busted pupper
>>76690287
Federal P9HST4 is a beautiful load. I carry it in literally everything, from 3" to 16".
>>76690151
Is this a copypasta?
>>76690394
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM2AJm9VhYM
>>76679665
Yeah, but not legally.
>>76690482
"boating accident" has been floating around since at least the '70s in the firearms community.
>>76690520
Was gonna post him. I nerded the fuck out last year watcing this channel, very informative. Had me digging thru all the random ammo at gun shows
>>76690520
noice
>>76678217
Yeah duder I've got around 10, with at least 1000 rounds of each type of ammo. Not even bragging, you kinda have to hoard like a pepper faggot so you don't get caught without ammo when Obama triggers the next big ammo scare by crying about muh childrens
This is my glock 40. it may not be pretty, but it gets the job done.
>>76678217
>A gun
>"A"
>As in singular
kek
>>76690781
I was really surprised by the results of his pocket .380 series. Never in my wildest dreams would I have thought to carry JHPs... in a 2.7" .380... and it's made by FIOCCHI? But the gel results are consistent, they're good, and my Pico feeds it like a champ.
>>76691022
I've got a glock 30 that looks similar to that. A little too compact for its own good, but it's not too bad.
What is the glock 40 chambered in?
>>76687329
Mah nigga. Hornady TAP rounds are my go-to for HD, think mine are 75 grain. They're almost $1/round but at least I shouldn't ever have to use them, and if I do I'll gladly pay that dollar for my life.
>>76678217
1911 45 ACP and a glock 19
.17 cal HMR Savage. Small caliber, but great accuracy. (Same as pic, but different color).
>>76691128
Its singular but it doesn't imply only one. Dumbshit
>>76691484
does this topic trigger you?
>>76691232
.40 problem solver.
I got some
>>76691624
Here's your (you). Is that why you replied to me? Desperate for a (you ) from an Australian?
Can't get any pictures, but I currently have a 1937 Luger, an AR15, plus I'm the next one to inherit my great grandfather's m1 Garand along with half of my dad's gun collection. Also going to purchase a CC soon since my state was liberated last month.
>>76681263
Fucking nice kek
>>76690042
Norincos or legit SAs?
>>76690394
>>76678217
>can you even own a butter knife
We can own a butter spreader if you have the right license and means to secure it.
>>76686361
>trust no one, not even your other gun
>>76694702
Bumping with muh boomstick
>>76678217
What is more disgusting than the gun laws themselves is the euro cucks taking pride in them, pretending to love being defenseless because it is so "civilized".
By the way, its not. Only slaves are not allowed to keep and bear arms and slaves didnt create any civilization.
>>76692023
Is this board the closest you can get to freedom?
>>76678217
I own one AR 15 partly made of these guys stuff
http://www.hera-arms.com/
What do you Americans think of that german AR's?
>>76695906
Where is your bayonet lug bro?
>>76678217
You're fucking retarded and uneducated OP, look up our gun laws.
>>76678217
I have a Barenta that I keep next to my bed with the safety off and one in the chamber. God Bless Texas.
>>76696414
>What do you Americans think of that german AR's?
Germans in general make awesome weapons
>>76696446
It's just a cheapy shotty, so it doesn't have one
I'm actually going to sell it soon because it has feeding issues (for a fucking pump shotgun which is retarded) and the action likes to lock up on hotter loads.
Probably going to pick up a Mossberg or older Rem 870 or Ithaca to replace it
>>76696592
Just buy a kit to convert the safety to a decocker if you don't use it
>>76696552
>eastern yurop
>european
No, and thank God that you aren't.
>>76696552
Don't brag too much, Czechia. You wouldn't want daddy EU to hear that you allow such dangerous weapons in the hands of the people.
>>76678217
Yea, but want one w no serial
I used to own a bunch of guns but they were all lost in a boating accident. Shame really.
>>76696740
So buy an 80% AR lower and mill it to make a scary ghost gun
>>76696207
I live in a significantly safer country than you. I don't need to own a gun. It woukd be nice to own some ww2 pieces but I don't really care.
>>76678217
Guns are degenerate.
Think about it. Hitler's ideal society was a nationalism with socialism system. We care for our citizens. The best way to do this is to the away guns. They don't protect our citizens.
>>76696739
During two recent polls, 72% and then 83% of Czechs were pro Czexit, we don't take the EU's shit, our muslim population is one of the lowest in the world, 3,5k of them in total.
>>76687408
Stop projecting your unfulfilling family life onto us, anon. Many of us are somewhat normal.
>>76689716
>how the emus won the war
>>76695906
That's a sexy shotty dude.
>>76696552
Check out the Firearms United facebook or website, EU is pushing hard to ban semi autos and magazines and stuff before the Netherland presidency ends and pro gun slovakia presidency begins. I donated 100 bucks for Fire Arms uniteds cause, do the same!
>>76696618
I heard that but Hera arms is widely unknown in the US because it mainly serves the German and European demand for AR's due to US export restrictions.
They only make DI Ar's which I prefer anyways and their style can be compared to Head Down firearms I guess
>>76680903
...
Well you're not wrong
>>76696832
>I live in a significantly safer country than you
Stay out of the liberal nigger cities and our country is very safe
>>76697073
To be fair I'm not familiar with Hera Arms, but companies like Sig and HK are very popular in the States
>>76697134
Suuuuuure.
I have a Star Firestar i traded a canoe for. Best carry gun ever.
>>76697350
It's true
America is a huge country and crime is concentrated mainly to a few cities.
>>76678217
Of course.
It gets so expensive though.
>>76697235
If you own an SBR AR you should check out their compensator, it works wonders on my 11,5" barrels compared to other brakes/comps.
I think it is available in the US as well, I saw a retailer advertising it on youtube.
>>76697350
>he thinks every city is Detroit
>>76678217
Working on it:
>>>/k/30224300
>>76698089
Works wonders how? I have a 10.5 inch in .300 blk
>>76678217
/pol/ gun threads are just full of morons who don't know what they're talking about
oh well, at least there's no retarded shitposting europoors, just californians instead
>>76689716
EL DIABLO
>>76686613
MFW I have a literal box of dead AA batteries I am trying to figure out what to do with.
>>76698411
As a Californian, can confirm.
>>76698513
A true American hero
him and Nelson
>>76698236
I had a Noveske KX comp before on my .223 11,5"
and the Hera comp is just much better converning muzzle rise and blast/noise.
I dont know how they do it but the Hera comp is somehow milled out of one piece and has 12 internal chambers offset to each other, I think that does the trick.
But Idk if it is necessary for a 300 blk desu
>>76698776
That sounds sexy bruder from another mutti.
Let's all talk about our wonderful legal carry firearms, we're all buddies here!
>>76678217
Sup /pol/ocks, former nogunz here, just traded some old debt for this beauty.
K-98, was a WWII vet's war trophy, his son cut the stock down and "Sporterized" it in the 70's.
>>76699088
It truly is.
But my upper and lower are from Aero precision because the german stuff is insanely expensive even in Germany
>>76699154
Seems like an appropriate weapon to have in the event of nose-induced chimpouts (Way too close to Baltimore city for my comfort)
>>76699253
Lower doesn't matter, as long as it's not polymer. Decent stuff isn't bad here.. my 5.56 is Spike's up and the .300 is Daniel Defense.
>>76678217
I would, but guns are too expensive
How does pol feel about socialized guns?
>>76699553
>socialized guns
Elaborate
>>76678217
I own a pistol and I am from Northern England, I store it away from my legal address in order to not be charged with weapon offences.
I find it funny for you americans to argue about the need to legally carry firearms, because here in England and the UK barring Ireland, it is almost unheard of for anyone to encounter a firearm. Yes our draconian laws on firearms mean that only hardcore criminals seeks illegal firearms, but since every criminal with enough common sense, connections and money to buy a gun knows that to use a gun when not needed is stupid and risks huge prison time. This means that gun crime is limited to a few small areas. Mainly gang on gang violence, armed robberies of businesses and terrorist acts.
I am not saying make guns illegal in the states because for you poor fucks there are already too many guns in circulation. Making them illegal in the states would only give power to criminals. But any of you saying guns are a good thing are either stupid or just love guns and don't give a fuck the consequences on society.
I own an illegal handgun because I am a criminal and to own one is a huge boon to me and makes others scared of me. I have never used it to date, but would only do so if I wanted to really kill someone or commit an armed robbery. My fists or in a more extreme case a knife is all I need to protect myself in the UK because we don't have every thug around armed with a gun. So you Americans are stupid but i gotta admire you, because I love guns too but instead of lying to myself I know that the "freedom to bear arms" is actually really bad for society as a whole.
>>76699553
Google /k/'s poorfag guide
P226
Mossberg
Owning more than that needs a special license, but hey at least we can own two guns for home defense.
>>76699442
I acutally like Aero precision, good stuff even if we only get to buy a small variety of their products in Germany.
I just finished refinishing a swiss G 96/11 I bought for 90 €, the bore is perfect, year of production is 1899
>>76699684
How will making it harder for innocent law abiding citizens to own and carry firearms to defend themselves stop or deter criminals who already get their guns illegally like you?
You've already proven that strict gun laws don't stop people who want them from getting guns.
And you imply that America doesn't have harsh penalties for committing crimes using illegal guns, which it does
In America, defensive gun uses vastly outweigh crimes committed with them
>>76679116
The pic related in the OP is a great carry pistol (Walther PPS). I own one and it's the tits.
Don't fall for the 45 meme. All common pistol cartridges perform the same, but they vary by capacity. 9mm personal defense rounds have come a long way from fudd-lore days of them being BBs.
Get an AR15 for home defense and a small compact 9mm for carry.
>>76678217
Never owned a gun in my life, and wouldn't know where to start, honestly.
let's see that trigger discipline faggots
>>76699929
Holy fuck that's awesome. I need to get some quality antique rifles... someday
>>76700028
Go to a gun range and rent and shoot ones that you think are cool
>>76680500
AR15s cost around $500 right now, desu. There is literally no excuse to not own one at this point.
>>76699979
Why does your chart show that there were over twice as many defensive gun uses than there were violent crimes in the USA?
Bear in mind anything you could legally stop with a DGU is going to be considered a violent crime.
Were there 2 civilians pulling guns at every violent crime that year?
Why do violent crimes only happen around gun carriers? It's like guns attract crime. I'm glad I don't own one, your chart has shown me they put anyone that owns one at massive personal risk.
>>76700260
Just covering my ass because of Poe's Law, but the joke is that that DGU rate is comically impossible. It's like a candidate getting 200% of the vote after an election.
>>76679187
try packing kangaroos with dynamite and send em at the abbos and vibrants
>>76682003
Clearly a superior white nation, also its liscense, registration, but no sbr sawed off bullshit like up here verdad?
>>76700260
>Bear in mind anything you could legally stop with a DGU is going to be considered a violent crime
Nope, in America we have something called legal gun use, which are not considered crimes since they in fact stop crimes
Defensive gun use doesn't mean the gun was fired, or that someone was killed. The majority of gun uses involve just having or displaying a gun diffused a situation
>Why do violent crimes only happen around gun carriers?
Um, it doesn't, but having a gun gives you an advantage to deal with a bad situation.
It's like having a fire extinguisher in your home in case a fire breaks out. It's much better to be able to put the fire out before it causes any damage, similar to being able to mitigate a violent situation if someone threatens you, rather than calling the police to deal with it after the fact
>>76699979
You are 100% right about strict gun laws not stopping people like me from obtaining guns. But the fact you fail to acknowledge is that if I or another criminal was to say burgle a home we wouldn't think to carry a gun there, because we would know law abiding citizens wouldn't own a gun. This means that there is much less likely to be serious violence, therefore us carrying a gun to a crime would carry more risk then reward. IE getting caught with a gun than being caught without one.
The knowledge that a law abiding citizen will not be armed means that we are a lot less likely to use overwhelming force. Say someone reaches into their pockets, I won't immediately think they're going for a gun.
Yes I can obtain an illegal gun but I don't carry it and would only use it against another criminal who threatened my life, I have no use for it otherwise. If every tom dick and harry owned a gun I will tell you straight I would be much more inclined to carry my gun always and shoot before I asked questions.
And yes in the case for terrorists and the like I believe some argument towards the right to bear arms could be made, but its such a small possibility that it does not outweigh the dangers or universal gun ownership.
>>76699684
I lived in the US for a couple if years and I have friends in the UK and I have to say that I felt more to be about to get mugged or stabbed in the UK than in the US, safest place every was rural Tennesse, we were heading with pickups and quadrails on a trailer to a wide property of a friend to have some good shooting, we had tons of guns just laying on the backseats which were visible to every person at the gas station and nobody gave a fuck or begant to lecture us how that is dangerous - because it is not.
>>76700052
Antiques are beautiful, I am saving money to buy a Gewehr 98/40, the hungarian contract rifle of WW2. Not many people know this rifle
>>76686361
Walther trigger mag releases are superior to button mag releases. You're just a dumb fudd and you can't learn a new manual of arms.
>>76691987
>loading gun inside the home
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING?
>>76700594
But if you knew that there was a strong possibility that a home owner was armed, would you still break into a home?
And you're assuming that a criminal would be unarmed. Who's to say they're not breaking in to rape my wife? Or take my kids? Who's to say there's only one and not a group of them? What if they have knives or bats? I'd still want a gun in that case.
How would I defend my family against a group of men?
I don't know someone's intentions as they're coming in through my window at 3 AM, and I'm going to use the best tools available to defend my castle, and the people I love inside it
>>76679665
What are you talking about? You're country has one of the toughest gun laws especially for handguns.
>>76700673
>2016
>not keeping a loaded gun in your home
>>76700618
Where you in London or a Large City by any chance, and to add to that off the beaten track so to speak? Sure you felt safer in rural Tennesee but I bet you'd feel safer in rural Essex or anywhere in rural England for that matter. I understand your point that guns are not inherently dangerous and they are not but you re comparing a Urban UK environment to a rural US one. Its like me saying yeah I felt safe in a village in Kent but was terrified of getting shot in downtown Detroit.
>>76700673
Guns tend to not work if they aren't loaded. You think a criminal is going to wait for me to load it?
Besides, you'll see my finger isn't on the trigger, so there's really no danger of it discharging
>>76700582
>Nope, in America we have something called legal gun use, which are not considered crimes since they in fact stop crimes
Yes, I'm aware. The thing being STOPPED is the violent crime. Otherwise you pulling the weapon is menacing, not a DGU.
>Defensive gun use doesn't mean the gun was fired, or that someone was killed. The majority of gun uses involve just having or displaying a gun diffused a situation
I'm aware of that too.
There's about 1.23 million violent crimes each year. That includes assaults, robberies, rapes, murders, and attempts of all of the previous.
I'll say it again, and attempts of all of the previous.
So what the fuck were people defending against 2.5 million times?
Math.
>>76700992
>There's about 1.23 million violent crimes each year
That are reported
There are many that aren't, because they are stopped in the process from happening.
That's why the Bureau of Statistics has that estimate of defensive gun uses
Friendly reminder nobody dies to rifles in homicides in the USA.
>>76701168
My bbys.
>>76701147
>There are many that aren't, because they are stopped in the process from happening.
And attempts.
AND ATTEMPTS.
I SAID IT TWICE.
That estimate is fucking bullshit.
Your argument is that almost 2/3rds of violent crimes aren't reported and are stopped by people with guns.
Which incidentally, would still mean that people with guns are almost twice as likely to be the target of a violent crime.
The DGU rate is pants on head retarded.
>>76701341
>The DGU rate is pants on head retarded
If you don't like it, take it up with the government
>>76700927
Right, but the bad areas in the US are easier to avoid than the ones in Europe due to stronger class/race division.
In Europe the scum tends to walk the same streets as you do on the US the scum is mostly outsoced, generally speaking. Of course not everybody who is poor is a criminal or scum, most are not. But my point still stands.
But you are aware that even in the US where it is pretty easy (and rightfully so) for a non-fellon to obtain firearms most guns used for crime are still illegal like crude homemade guns or fullautos imported from south/middle america or asia or in illegal posession of the criminal?
Gun laws dont work. In Germany we have extreme tough gun laws and we only have abotut 7 Million legal guns but about 25 Million illegal guns. You can read stories on a regular basis in the news of money transports being robbed by criminals carrying SMG's and rpg's or stuff. Sometimes arsenals of grenades and stuff are discovered.
What you suggest is punishing the law abiding making them defenseless victims.
>>76701233
>322
Looks like it's even lower according to their actual chart.
>>76701261
Did you paint your T97 yourself?
>>76701471
It's not an official goverment estimate
It's a gun"facts" estimate using literally the highest estimate available from all studies
>>76700910
I get your point and it's from a place of paranoia, one that I too feel. I sleep with knives beside my bed as keeping a gun in my home is too risky.
I was talking from a place of whats best for a society not an individual. 99% of criminals are not robbing your home to rape your wife or steal your kids. And the criminals in the UK that specialize in burglary know that taking bats and knives only means longer prison sentences if caught and would be useless because its better to run if caught than fight back. The difference in prison terms is huge. Say 2 years max if caught burgling but if you attacked the homeowner you could get 10 to life.
I get your point man about defending yourself and I agree with it but for the good of society as a whole guns should not be a right. I go against this because I am paranoid too and I am a criminal and I need a gun for fear and defence but I am under no illusion that I am a force for good or good for society. I'd love to legally own guns but I know all legal guns do is create more serious violence. And while you may get a few sick fucks who want to rape/kill the majority of criminals just want to make easy money with as little risk of jail time as possible, which means not using guns unless its necessary or that they will statistically need them to fight others with them.
>>76690042
That m1a looks really nice!
>>76701533
that stock is disgusting.
you know the one I'm talking about.
>>76701831
The M305? I didn't want to fork out $100 for a wood stock.
>>76701474
Ok I know your talking about London now with the bad areas and good ones near each other. Your point is far and valid, but there are near 0 actual stabbings in London that are not related to gang activity, if you can find more than 2 cases where this has happened I will applaud you.
You mention money transports being robbed, how does this affect the average citizen. Sure high value targets will always be subject to robberies but are there regular cases of people being robbed at gunpoint and houses being burst into at night by criminals with guns in Germany? Because in the US there certainly is. You will never stop bank robberies and armoured truck heists but making guns illegal certainly stops most if not all crimes like armed home invasions and armed stick ups in the streets, it simply isn't worth it for the criminal is the victim doesn't have a guns and the charge for owning a gun is so high.
>>76701533
No I didn't paint it myself. However I managed to get the FDE for the same price, so I said fuck it. I initially wanted a Tavor in FDE but the place I had store credit for didn't carry Tavors so I got a good deal on this. ~950 all in if I remember correctly.
>>76686361
PPS M2 has made some improvements to the trigger and ergos. Unfortunately, they dropped the lever mag release, which really is god-tier.
>>76700910
Forgot to say no I wouldn't break into a home knowing the owner was armed, but it happens all the time in the US. I ain't stupid and wouldn't risk a murder charge for a couple hundred quid..
>>76701597
>I get your point and it's from a place of paranoia
No it's not. It's simply being prepared. I also wear a seatbelt when I drive, doesn't mean I'm paranoid about being in a car crash. I'm just using a tool at my disposal.
And it's not about the type of crime being committed, it's the fact that they are unlawfully entering a private domicile to commit a crime.
From my view, you forfeit the right to live once you cross the barrier that is my property line to steal my shit or try to harm me in any way.
>for the good of society as a whole guns should not be a right
Why? Because it's easier to shoot criminals like you? Seems to me like people being able to defend themselves is a good thing, and you're just looking out for your own interests.
>but I know all legal guns do is create more serious violence
Simply not true. And you're again under the impression that America doesn't have harsher penalties for crimes involving weapons
>majority of criminals just want to make easy money with as little risk of jail time as possible
Then they should make damn sure the person they're stealing from isn't able to defend themselves from being victimized
I have a Finnish M39 and a kel tec pf9
>>76702163
>but it happens all the time in the US
And is stopped all the time too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auhgbxEc6yg
>>76702243
>pic
The only advanced economy w/ a higher murder rate than the USA is Estonia.
Guns are a problem but shitholes are a bigger problem
>>76702036
>related to gang activity
The same goes for the US, of the roughly 10.000 firearms homicides per year in the US about 7300 are related to gang violence.
Yes on 4th of June a 68 year old senior in Düsseldorf was killed in his own apartement by muslim burglars. It happens a lot.
About 2 months ago a 18 year old refugee who tried to burglarize a home at 2:30 at night armed with a knife got shot in the head with a revolver by the house owner, a hunter.
There is a lot of violence going on in the street.
Yesterday I got me some fast food and on the other side on the street, left to me, I saw a nigger beating his wife or gf, at the fassade of a furniture shop in daylight afternoon. Nobody cares.
Germany is changing a lot, you can't imagine.
>>76702243
dafuq greenland?
>>76702036
Oh and I forgot there were 2 shootings recently in Hamburg, illegal guns, perpetrators were described as "of southern origin". Which translates into sandniggers, niggers, balkan.
And guess what: their guns were not legal.
>>76702402
Blame niggers for the high crime rates
>>76702632
>murder rate has fallen as black portion of population has risen
Sure, m8.
>>76702745
Murder rate has fallen for pretty much every developed nation in the world
Doesn't mean blacks still aren't a major source of it
>>76702415
Fucking Muslims but I am talking about London, not your country which seems to have welcomed millions of Muslim migrants. I mean shit we have niggers, jews and muslims in London but they are assimilated and didn't just come in a huge wave. I honestly pity your country for all the Muslims you have let in with open arms. Your welfare system will be fucked very soon.
>>76702402
Firearms are hardly a problem. The overwhelming majority of deaths from firearms in the USA is suicides. While it is an easier approach to use a firearm that any other method apart from falling, the people made their decision. Not the gun.
Now look at this chart from Statistics Canada.
The USA has 10x more rifle homicides and 10x the population (which is kind of funny how well the numbers match up) and we have an entire licensing program to go with simple rifle ownership.
Handguns by far lead in homicides but for every gun control measure brought forth in the USA it always targets rifles. Figure that one out for me.
>>76702946
Yes it will, I am convinced that there will be a civil war and ethnic cleansing.
But I would not even want them if they were all perfectly innocent sheep because I just dont want their genes in my lands. Some are ok, so they are a truly enrichtment but not like this.
There is now way this will go down peacefully.
Well we are talking about principle, and I know when you were raised in a semi socialist society like all of Europe sometimes libertarian idears are hard to imagine, but I have seen it with my own eyes, it makes sense.
Doesn't your magna charta or british bill of rights grant you a right to keep and bear arms?
Why shouldn't you be able to do so? When we had lax gunlaws in Germany till 1974 there were no school shootings - why is that?
>>76679116
you'll want a cheap reliable gun for CCW that you won't care about having stolen from you if you need to actually use it.
>>76702243
I get you man, you want to be able to protect you and yours, I am of the exact same opinion. I want to be able to kill anyone that enters my property, I can't do this of course because of my country's laws. While I disagree with them I see the benefit for society that these laws create. Just compare statistics on the UK to the US. I am of the same opinion as you, but I know logically that gun laws of the US create only more bloodshed, not that I care, I just try not to be a hypocrite.
Your second point, yes I would rather the people of the UK not have guns because I do not want to be shot. This is certainly true but I also believe that my knowledge that my victims are not armed means I will not carry a gun and am therefore less likely to shoot someone, which I certainly will if its life or death. I do not carry a gun if I burgle someone, and run if caught because I know I will not get shot running away. Is a few dollars/pounds worth the loss of a human life?
I know America has harsh laws for illegal weapons but the legality of weapons in general makes it cheaper and more readily available illegal weapons. You need to know connected people in the UK to get a gun and it cost quite abit, I suspect its easier and much cheaper to get one in the US.
I understand your last point but what I was saying was in an unarmed society the criminal will not carry a weapon and there will be a much less chance of a firefight. I understand your point of not being a victim and I applaud it and agree with it but if society as a whole is to be safer guns must be made illegal.
>>76702163
county in kentucky that requires home gun ownership has vastly lower home invasion rates than the rest of the country.
>>76703766
>Just compare statistics on the UK to the US
Pic related
>I know logically that gun laws of the US create only more bloodshed
Suicides and niggers in gangs shooting each other are the largest portion of gun deaths. And nations like S. Korea and Japan have much higher suicide rates than the US despite having virtually no firearms
It doesn't matter whether you have a gun or not, or any other weapon. The most important thing is that I do, which gives me an advantage, or at the very least levels the playing field.
>Is a few dollars/pounds worth the loss of a human life?
You, or any other criminal is a thief. You are the lowest of the low, victimizing others around you. My property and peace of mind of not being robbed, and my families peace of mind knowing I can protect them is worth far more than your pitiful little existence.
You should feel lucky living in a country that disarms is people making it easier to be a criminal.
>I was saying was in an unarmed society the criminal will not carry a weapon and there will be a much less chance of a firefight
Again, it doesn't matter if you have a gun or not, only that I do. Either way, I either have an advantage, or a level playing field. Get me?
>but if society as a whole is to be safer guns must be made illegal
Simply not true, again
>>76704465
Shit, forgot the UK/US stats
>>76703261
Lets face it son, there will be no civil war or ethnic cleansing. You have the old who on the whole agree with our views on immigration and how letting millions of Muslims into Europe is wrong. Then you have the young - the future voters- who almost unanimously agree that diversity is a great and noble thing. No matter how bad things get for Germany there will be no backlash against Islam, Arabs or any one race/religion. There are laws in Germany and they will be kept, you can't kick out someone accepted for Asylum or Citizenship. All you can hope for is assimilation of these muslims into western european culture, or more likely arab ghettos to form where they stick to their area and you to yours. Don't fool yourself Merkel has already fucked you and all you can do is make the best of a bad situation.
I have no fucking idea about the magna carta, and I'm sure the government couldn't give two shits about it so leave that to the historians. I would love to be able to legally have a gun because I love guns. But I am a criminal and would most likely have an illegal one anyway so its untraceable. But I am saying that for a society as a whole making guns illegal makes society as a whole safer because criminals are as a whole less likely to carry guns and therefore use them because they simply don't need to. There are always exceptions to this but they are of a small number and overall despite these it is safer for society as a whole to make guns illegal.
>>76704506
Have you checked the difference of definitions between violent crimes in the UK and US.Because this is a false statistic.
the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports defines a “violent crime” as one of four specific offenses: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault.
The British Home Office, by contrast, has a substantially different definition of violent crime. The British definition includes all “crimes against the person,” including simple assaults, all robberies, and all “sexual offenses,” as opposed to the FBI, which only counts aggravated assaults and “forcible rapes.”
All you give is false statistics based on differing versions of violent crime.
>>76704617
Actually I know more young people who disagree with these policies, I am 23 years old, a lot of young people are aware of our future being sold.
Still there are a lot of idiots and traitors in my generation for sure.
But you have to think of the economic factors, Germans have a high IQ on average, niggers and sandniggers dont + they have a shit culture, which means they can't fill out the void in jobs the old generation is leaving for us.
This will lead to our economy being slowed down because the state needs to raise taxes to feed them.
This will alienate the german population evne further from the government and if the government should ever run out of money the chimps are going to leave the zoo to pillage and plunder.
And then you got the civil war because all of the peoples hatred and disappointment that was supressed for so long is unchained now.
>>76702415
sorry to hear, your country was great last i was there.
although munchen had many neighborhoods filled with mudslimes ...
>>76703766
sorry but you can't argue that when your own country is being forcefully taken over and your own government does nothing to help... those videos of britain first aren't staged, shitskins honestly believe UK belongs to them now. the whole point of our second amendment is to have a citizen militia ready to form against any potential enemy of the people and country. let weapons be illegal in your country. let us worry about our own country. they need to be legal for citizens to own in our style of government.
>>76682986
Lel, are you me? I carry my shield everywhere, have the M&P full size in my bedroom, and my ruger556 in the closet.
tfw.
I also own a katana. A decent one, not mall shit.
>>76704988
I agree it's difficult to compare countries who's crime definitions are different.
But you didn't answer any of my other points, and are the one who brought up UK vs US stats
>>76678217
Not yet but I'm looking to join a pistol club so hopefully within a year I'll own a few of my own.
anyway, have some porn.
>>76705278
You call that porn?
>>76678217
got a case full of them my grandfather gave to me.
>big ass baretta revolver with a small box of ammo
>some german handgun that says something aobut being automatic no ammo
>tiny single shot pistol no ammo
>something that looks like a grenade launcher (painted battleship grey, maybe for firing a line from one ship to another) couple of shotgun rounds with this no idea if it will even fire them sure as fuck not going to find out
sorry for my complete lack of firearms knowledge. as soon as i got them i hid them no idea when i would use them but just cant bring myself to get rid of them.
>>76704506
not disagreeing with the point your trying to make here but honestly i think half of that is that our country is full of faggots that call a person bumping into them a 'violent crime'
>>76705313
pleb
>>76705313
those grips just killed my boner
>>76705470
Those grips are sexy as fuck, but a classic Smith grip also has it's charms
>>76705438
Even at half the rate it's still high as fuck for being a "civilized" country
>>76705313
>>76705446
Get real!
>>76705159
And it could be so much greater, but Germans in general seem to want to cease to exist. Too weak to live.
>>76705533
I can't stand anything with finger grooves - I like stockies perfectly fine
>>76705359
assuming you're not lying, don't tell anyone. lube them up to prevent them from rusting. hide in a secure place.
also post german handgun and "grenade launcher", maybe some of Americans can id them
>>76705213
That's a fair point relating to the stats. How about a comparison of the homicide rate between the UK and the US.
And what point would you like me to answer?
>>76705707
Please don't have a shaved cylinder or a conversion
>>76678217
soon you will be gutted like a fish over and over again for your behaviour , thinking less of your fellow men and placing yourself above others , a sin known as pride will be your downfall.
you may maim and kill a few or many , but in the end of days you will have to repay plenty.
>>76705888
Now look at who's doing the killing. And those are some nice cherry picked countries
>Homicides in selected countries
>And what point would you like me to answer?
Any of them
>>76678217
I want one but I'm a bit scared I would get drunk and pop myself with it
>>76698513
>>76706489
>but I'm a bit scared I would get drunk and pop myself with it
Which is why you shouldn't have one
Thanks for taking personal responsibility for not already having one
>>76697073
>Hera arms
Oberland Arms makes better ones.
>>76706182
Your first point that the majority of gun deaths are suicides and niggers in gangs. The first point I disproved but the second could easily tie into the graph I posted.
So you think thieves are deserving of death, how morally high of you. Everyone takes from someone else this is capitalism. And yes what I do is illegal and what businessmen is legal, morally what is the difference. Yes some legal business men are moral and good but the majority of the truly successful ones have destroyed many lived and jobs in the name of profit. I doubt I have done more damage to people than a CEO of a top business. My country makes it easier to be a criminal but also makes it safer for a citizen.
So you suggest that its better that every criminal go armed with a gun because of the fear of others possessing firearms. All this does in results in more shootouts and more deaths rather than a simple theft.
And yes almost all of those countries have strict firearm laws and are mostly anglo influences much as America is aside from strict firearm laws. If what you are saying is that Americas huge homicide rate for a developed country is a result of Niggers then you must accept that the only reason is because the niggers have easy and cheap access to guns. But because of this you whites must own guns to defend yourselves. I must admit to being a bit ignorant of niggas living in the UK our blacks are like any other chav as we call them and there isn't such a culture/racial divide. But If you are saying its the nigga culture that necessitates guns then I may start to agree with you. Because here in the UK us criminals are a lot more smart and moral than hoods from the ghetto.
>>76707088
Nah.
Oberland arms is just the only ones that can be exported to austria I guess.
Oberland Arms just makes standard shit, not saying they are bad but not thant innovative.
>>76678217
>Hi NSA
Of course I own a couple guns. I also live in AZ, a self-respecting state that actually follows the second amendment
No I lost mine in a tragic boating accident
>>76707270
No, we can get Hera too.
>innovative
We're talking AR clones here, what's there to innovate?
>>76678217
I'm sick of this stupid meme, I've got loads of butter knives and most of them were grandfathered in under the new regulation system with no problems.
>>76679116
The best gun for home defense is a 12 gauge pump shotgun, one with a stock.
>>76707159
>our first point that the majority of gun deaths are suicides and niggers in gangs. The first point I disproved
How? Suicides are nearly 2/3 of the total gun deaths in America, that's a fact according to the CDC. Guns aren't causing suicides, suicidal people are.
The rest of your rambling post is how capitalism is evil, how selfish thieves deserve to live yet contribute nothing to society and prey on the innocent, and how your niggers are better than ours.
>So you suggest that its better that every criminal go armed with a gun because of the fear of others possessing firearms
No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying the only thing that matters is that I have a gun, because it's the best tool to stop someone from doing me harm, or taking my property illegally, whether that be shooting them, or the threat of shooting them.
>All this does in results in more shootouts and more deaths
I don't know what your state approved media feeds you, but America isn't the land of Wild West shootouts, again unless you're in a gang in South Chicago
oh hai, what's going on this thread?
DE.50, Saiga-12, And my grandpa's Gyrojet
>>76707543
I like the muzzle brakes, different safety selectors, and handguard variants they offer and the overall design more.
Why do you think Oberland Arms is better?
>>76707630
Fuck I'm hungry.
I've got this handsome fellow.
>>76708086
Is black powder legal in there so you can actually fire it?
>>76679491
Just buy a CNC mill and make one yourself
>>76708086
Nice, do you shoot it occasionally?
>>76708086
Great love
>>76678217
Any gun owners from Oregon curious what the procedure for buying one is but too lazy to Google.
>>76708150
Blackpowder is in our fireworks.
You can fire it.
But not where ever you want and without supervision from a shooting range etc.
But you can still shoot it on a farm or something. Nobody will care.
>>76708198
Never shot it yet. Mainly because I am afraid I'll fuck things op and I litteraly lose my sides.
>>76708224
Thank you
>>76707852
>owning a DE
You bought into the meme, I see.
>>76708570
Nearly broke my wrist too. But its fun as hell to shoot and doesn't leave much left of a jackrabbit
>>76678217
>Europeans need not apply can you even own a butter knife
Look. Everyone that isn't an EU bureaucrat wants the Britcucks gone.
They don't speak for us.
>>76707742
t. joe biden
>>76708707
Can Austrians easily own a Glock? Your major export?
