>A “robot revolution” will transform the global economy over the next 20 years, cutting the costs of doing business but exacerbating social inequality, as machines take over everything from caring for the elderly to flipping burgers, according to a new study.
>In a 300-page report, analysts from investment bank Bank of America Merrill Lynch draw on the latest research to outline the impact of what they regard as a fourth industrial revolution, after steam, mass production and electronics.
>“We are facing a paradigm shift which will change the way we live and work,” the authors say. “The pace of disruptive technological innovation has gone from linear to parabolic in recent years. Penetration of robots and artificial intelligence has hit every industry sector, and has become an integral part of our daily lives.”
>However, this revolution could leave up to 35% of all workers in the UK, and 47% of those in the US, at risk of being displaced by technology over the next 20 years, according to Oxford University research cited in the report, with job losses likely to be concentrated at the bottom of the income scale.
>“The trend is worrisome in markets like the US because many of the jobs created in recent years are low-paying, manual or services jobs which are generally considered ‘high risk’ for replacement,” the bank says.
>“One major risk off the back of the take-up of robots and artificial intelligence is the potential for increasing labour polarisation, particularly for low-paying jobs such as service occupations, and a hollowing-out of middle income manual labour jobs.”
>>76671984
No shit when big companies can have robots make everything for them they wont need their flesh slaves anymore.
Only problem is we also wont be able to buy anything from them. So they will shut down anyway.
bring it on!
>>76672145
FPBP
>>76671984
>In the most advanced manufacturing sectors – among Japan’s carmakers, for example – robots are already able to work unsupervised round the clock for up to 30 days without interruption. While offshoring manufacturing jobs to low-cost economies can save up to 65% on labour costs, replacing human workers with robots saves up to 90%.
>At present, there are on average 66 robots per 10,000 workers worldwide, the report finds; but in the highly automated Japanese car sector there are 1,520.
>But it is not just low-skilled jobs, such as assembly-line work, that could be replaced: a report from the McKinsey Global Institute in 2013 found that up to $9tn in global wage costs could be saved as computers take over knowledge-intensive tasks such as analysing consumers’ credit ratings and providing financial advice.
>However, the bank also points out that major ethical and social issues will increasingly arise: they cite the moral questions about the growing use of unmanned drones in warfare; and even the emergence of a pressure group called the Campaign Against Sex Robots.
>>76671984
>Beijia Ma, the report’s lead author, said that over the past 200 years and more, societies have eventually found ways of turning technological developments to their advantage.
>She said the best advice for people fearing the rise of the robots is to polish up their skills. “It’s not meant to be a doom and gloom report: one of the ways we think people could help themselves here is through education.”
>However, Ma added that a recent survey of industry experts, by the US polling firm Pew, revealed a stark divide between techno-optimists and pessimists.
>Almost half of them, 48%, believed the rise of robots and artificial intelligence would have “a massive detrimental impact on society, where digital agents displace both blue- and white-collar workers, leading to income inequality and breakdowns in social order”.
>Meanwhile, 52% “anticipated that human ingenuity would overcome and create new jobs and industries”.
>Andrew Simms, of thinktank the New Weather Institute, said the rise of new technologies could be an opportunity to realise the aspirations of the economist John Maynard Keynes, who predicted in 1930 that within a century, technology would have enabled the working week to be reduced to 15 hours with the rest of the time devoted to leisure.
>However, without rethinking the relationship between work and society, the result could be a growing disparity between economic winners and losers.
>“We are in danger, for the first time in history, of creating a large number of people who are not needed,” he said. “The question should be, what sort of economy do you want, and to meet what human needs?”
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/nov/05/robot-revolution-rise-machines-could-displace-third-of-uk-jobs?CMP=share_btn_tw
>>76672540
> $9tn in global wage costs could be saved as computers take over knowledge-intensive tasks such as analysing consumers’ credit ratings and providing financial advice.
In other words, go into jobs where you need to communicate with people and where tasks are dynamic.
The less dynamic and straightforward a career is, the easier it is to be outsourced to a computer/machine.
>>76671984
D-does this mean I get more autismbux?
>>76671984
Good, fuck the poor.
So this means that we don't need to import Kebabs to keep our economy going?
Men are gonna be so fucked, lol!
>>76672540
>Campaign Against Sex Robots.
hue, womyn know it's coming
they will lose their power and be forced to their knees, forced to become decent and respectable human beings once again
a fate they must see as horrifying
>>76671984
Get this: you aren't worth any more to them than the Greeks, the Mexicans, the Somalis etc.
It's already started they injected me with a paralysis causing drug as of yesterday. I don't know what it is, are we human guinea pigs.
It's going to implode.
>poor labor slaves can't buy any products from the people with the robots anymore
>.... companies die
How will President Trump fix this?
If he brings manufacturing back to US thru tariffs at least american workers can build the automation and maintenance of the hardware no?
Geez what a time to be alive.
So glad I'll not be having kids.
>>76673692
you take any psychotropic drugs?
>>76674103
Drop in the ocean. There is no fix.
>>76672145
who will buy their shit though?
>>76672836
Becoming a police officer. They will never be able to fully replace us especially in the rural areas
>>76671984
She better be asking for the abolition of the cotton gin while she's at it.
>>76673485
This means we need to import more kebabs in case people try to revolt against jews who own all the automated shit.
>>76674265
This is the point in history where either money becomes irrelevant, communism prevails, and everything is free... or, the elite just wipe us all out with their fancy, new robots because they've no use for us anymore.
My money's on the latter.
I don't understand why the rich would want us poor, if we don't spend money they don't receive it
>>76674521
Nah,
>we plebs get infinite freedom.
>The elites push an anti-breeding campaign
>we stop reproducing
>over population takes care of itself in no time
Man dropped the spear and learned how to plow.
Then he dropped his plow and learned to build industry.
Then he learned how a car works, the different sounds of its different needs, and how to care for it.
Today, we have teenagers with the presence of mind to pick up new technology in a few days and put it to use. They can build computers from their basic parts, create phone apps, websites and the like.
Robots, consumer space craft, and whatever else we can think of. There's one thing that's certain; the average man will become intimately familiar with these things and use them to broaden his horizons. He didn't need to be a mechanical engineer to know how to fix a car, he didn't need to be an electrical engineer to know how to fix a computer, and he won't need to have a PhD in robotics to put together his own production team.
>>76674821
It's not about being rich in terms of "money".
It's about being, and doing what you can to sustain such being.
This economy, this life-style, is a means to an end.
>>76674926
Expanded horizons are the answer? I hope so.
>only the rich will be able to prosper from the robotic revolution
>most of the poor will be kill and the rest alive will be slaves
I would be genuinely surprised to see the human services workforce seriously affected by automation.
Unions won't stand for it, the people receiving service won't stand for it and the workers sure as shoot won't stand for it.
Factory jobs and a fair number of skilled trades are fucking done though.
>>76671984
>high unemployment
who cares, Groening knew what's up a decades ago
https://vimeo.com/12915013
>>76671984
>Listening to bankers
>ever
>>76671984
do it faggot, i dare you. the last thing they want is an angry and armed population with too much time on their hands. they wouldn't last 6 months.
I wouldn't worry about it until the robots make the robots.
>replace a large portion of the population via automation
>population can no longer afford the products produced via automation
sound business model
Muh cyberpunk fantasy is becoming a reality.
>>76678048
Everyone always forgets that cyberpunk usually means either authoritarian police state or near anarchist society.
>>76678549
>implying those aren't fantasies
>>76674521
Well, it's not something that's particularly easy to do.
Disease? Maybe kill 20-30% of the population at best.
War? You'll destroy the infrastructure that you want to use to live in utopia.
Authoritarian police states with robocops? Would instigate civil war in countries that allow citizens to own firearms. (e.g. the most powerful and advanced country on the planet)
The safest course of action is to keep us plebs around, even if we can't actually do anything useful beyond act as entertainers. It's still actually possible to take care of everyone, and the elites will still have a significant resource advantage over the rest of us.
Basically, trying to wipe out the unwashed masses for selfish gains of the few will probably just blow up in their faces and ruin it all for everyone.
>post yfw you dont give a fuck because
MUH WAIFU AGE
>>76674500
You dumb fucking leaf. We have already automated all that shit. There is hardly a need on farms like the one I run for migrant workers any more.
>Women are becoming bitchier and bitchier, more than ever, forcing more guys to want to be single and just be left alone
>Robots and AI are on the rise
>Women already want to ban your robo-waifu because they KNOW that we would always choose robots over them, 1000% of the time
Seriously, why do women have to always ruin everything.
Yeah no shit. All these people who think they're just going to give us money to sit on our asses all day are fucking retarded.
>hurr basic income will be great robots will do everything for us!
>hurr I still believe in trickle down economics
No, what's going to happen is we're all going to be living in shanty slums and standing around on the street because we're broke and hungry because we have no jobs.
>>76672145
Yep
But watch them do it so they can sell to the top 25% of people anyway.
That still like 1.5 billion people give or take more than enough. The rest will just live in welfare camps or be gassed or both.
Time to learn complex automation and business management so you can be the Jew instead of the victim of them.
Evolve or die?
>Robotics could cause more unemployment
Gee, who'd a thunk it? Are these people just now starting to figure that out?
>>76680997
the masses will win the war against the rich and their robot army, and massacre the rich on the lawns of their mansions. i just hope i live to see the day.
>>76681131
that will never happen, you are delusional and naive
>>76681386
eventually within the next couple decades when 80% of the population is in inescapable poverty with no hope of betterment, there will be enough intelligent disgruntled white people to start a real movement. a great leader will emerge and they will march to victory.
they took er jobs
>>76680999
More like Revolt or Die
I don't want to make another thread for this, but can someone help me out?
If everything becomes automated, why wouldn't we naturally drift to a socialist economy? It's not like scarcity is going to be a problem, and creativity/drive is going to be in a slump anyway if nobody has a job anymore.
>>76674378
They will face big cuts though, if the self driving car thing plays out. Think about how much policing gets soaked up by traffic enforcement, responding to accidents, ect.
Sure, this could be a good thing (more focus of policing shit that is actually important) but I imagine budgets would get slashed in that environment.
Dumb shits. Automation = higher productivity = cheaper goods.
Cheap and plentiful goods help the poor more than anything else.
I think that this will actually create more jobs in the long run however ones that one require higher education.
It will to take decades for the shift to where a majority of businesses fully implement automaton. With the amount of people getting college degrees increasing every year, it wouldn't be the sudden shift everybody is expecting.
>>76677013
>>76677602
>>76674821
>>76674265
>>76673837
>the last thing they want is an angry and armed population with too much time on their hands. they wouldn't last 6 months.
UBI
>>76682078
True, but how will they pay for them?
>>76674880
There is no problem of overpopulation, only the artificial need for scarcity.
>>76682078
>robots replace poor people's jobs
>poor have no money to buy cheap robot shit
>"Dumb shits"
>>76681811
>If everything becomes automated, why wouldn't we naturally drift to a socialist economy?
It's what Marx predicted. He defended armed revolt as a mean to prevent the transition between capitalism and a post scarcity socialist society. He saw Socialism (or something alike) as a inevitable thing
>>76682212
>think that this will actually create more jobs in the long run
What kind of jobs do you think it will create?
paper pushing jobs would be easier to automate though
>>76674103
Deport illegal slave labor and stop importing more. We really do have only one shot at this.
>>76681811
>post scarcity
>Implying 3rd worlders won't just reproduce faster
>>76682558
Alot of them already have been.
Like fucking tons. It's weird no one talks about it. It's cutting even deeper at my job than ever.
>>76671984
the simple fact of the matter is; we won't need a large portion of our existing population, many of them are incapable of being readjusted to perform jobs that robots won't be able to do (high skilled, mental intensive jobs), the robot revolution will starve the low i.q. population out of existence. the best thing we can hope to happen, is mass sterilisation of the low i.q. populace, and let them live out their lives with whatever is left of their labor market, and whatever the state can afford to give them.
>give 3/4 of what the robot does as basic income to people
>people now work on non-automated jobs
If you want society to go to hell you can just simply tell people to fuck off and die
But automation should actually benefit us all
Won't this be really bad for third worlders? Won't outsourcing become more expensive than making shit here with robots?
>>76683145
You are seriously retarded if you think these rich people are going to take care of you. They don't give a fuck about us and they haven't for centuries. Why would any of that change? All that's going to happen is we're going to move towards a more slave-like society.
BASIC INCOME WHEN
>>76682275
why do you even ask dumb questions like that? fucking retarded child. you are a troll are simply retarded.
>>76674103
>>76682598
Fucking this. I live in a country town full of empty factories, and only one of them is still up and running. Bring those jobs back and I'll gladly work in a steel mill or auto factory.
>>76682927
Also this. I work for one of the largest data management companies in the USA, and they just got done purging over half of their companies and we're in the middle of "restructuring" which means we just went from 60 employees to 10, and out of that 10 seven of us got demoted to temps (including me), which means I went from $15/hr to $10/hr AND because I'm a temp, I lost my vacation and sick time, holiday pay, insurance, etc... Shit is absolutely fucked.
>>76683281
GIB ME DAT
>>76683336
SERFDOM WHEN?
>>76683449
>SERFDOM WHEN?
Might as well be now.
>>76682599
scarcity is not caused by population
>>76672145
They'll just create robot consumers. Humans will be completely obsolete. And thus, mankind will wither and die. At this point, it's the best we can hope for.
>>76672728
Its time for a more controlled and planned economy.
>>76673692
>the typical /pol/ster
>>76684239
you mean the typical leafposter
>>76671984
My philo proffesor, who is not only a philosopher but also studied art and history says that within the next 20-30 years a big % of the population will become useless and will be killed/die.
Especially in zones where many people are uneducated/low IQ, which means africa and big parts of asia, including india.
He is talking about hundreds of millions dying at least.
I kind of laughed it off when I heard him say it but he is extremely intelligent and is very serious about his predictions.
>>76671984
They said the same thing about computers.
>>76683360
Part of this is regulation. When Obamacare redefined full time work as 30hrs, a lot of companies cut full time jobs in half, creating two part time jobs, in order to avoid providing healthcare. And because you're not full time worker, you don't get full time pay.
>>76673485
We never needed them and you know it. Southern Europe has sky high and the rest growing unemployment rates.
>>76671984
What are some new sectors that are cropping up that workers can flee to?
>"new space" economy (e.g. spacex, nanoracks, cubesats, etc.)
>virtual reality, augmented reality, mixed reality (e.g. rift, vive, hololens, google glass, etc.)
>drones (maybe?) and robotics
>>76684147
>reads post
>looks at flag
/pol/ is always right
>>76680999
>top 25%
not that hard to get into that bracket luckily.
>>76671984
That person is right, a good amount of libtards decide to flip burgers after they can't get work with their shitty degrees, after automation we won't need them for that, so they'll be on neetbux for the rest of their life.
On 2100 expect STEM people to be the leaders of the world while the rest of the population becomes a bunch of mindless zombies that only think about porn, video games and shows.
>>76671984
Sam Harries on A.I
with
Hoe
Hogan
https://youtu.be/BChxQHyFIOI
>>76684795
If anything, any space related stuff will be the first to use advanced AI and robotics since the costs associated with space exploration/tech are astronomical anyway.
>>76684873
By 2100, if there is no major catastrophe you will definately have AI's that outperform humans at any task. Or perhaps all humans will be integrated into machineray that will by that time be half or fully biological.
>>76684873
GamersGate was about getting vaginas into video games. Immersive video games are the future. Neet playing vidya drones are the ideal. They are as tranquil as hindu cow and thus are not a threat.
>>76671984
Do you know who makes these things? People. Human beings with jobs spend thousands of hours working to create these things. They aren't fucking magic and they aren't just given to us by aliens. Jobs aren't disappearing, they're moving somewhere else.
So your deadend deadbrain job is going out of style because humanity is advancing beyond it and you can't keep up? Too fucking bad, you had plenty of chances to try in school but you obviously couldn't think more than 2 minutes ahead with your walnut-size brains.
Meanwhile I still have a job in the tech industry and that's not going away any time soon.
>>76685027
>that pun
>>76684873
>expect STEM people to be the leaders of the world
Try AI. All human labor will become redundant soon enough, STEM included. And that's a good thing, because at that point we will be in glorious post scarcity.
>Merrill Lynch says
No, everyone says.
Why didn't you listen? He tried to warn us.
>>76685229
>you will definately have AI's that outperform humans at any task
That's not how AI works scholmo. They have no creativity or the ability to use an idea or concept from a field into a very different one. They are good at calculations, the human mind if great because it harnesses power from the chaotic process that's creativity.
>>76685301
Does that contradict what I said?
>>76685027
Well yeah, even spacex uses a ton of automation, but they still have ~5,000 employees and a ton of job openings every day. So that's jobs being created in a new industry.
>>76685445
I will repeat, the problem of AI is creativity, it can not come even close to the absurd potential of the human brain, and the change is at the very base of how both a computer is organized and how a human brain is organized. For the AI to be capable of being creative we would have to restart the process from scratch.
>>76685445
Whatever the outcome, it will probably be turbulent times ahead.
>>76685692
Do you agree that a properly-configured and constructed AI can be as creative, if not more so, than a human mind? Or are you saying that there is something special about our meat that machines can never achieve?
>>76685784
The trick is surviving the transition.
>>76677448
Except that is already happening.
>>76672145
with robots doing loads of things the prices go down.
pay goes down for normies as well so they can still afford them doing whatever jobs are left.
which means all the money goes to the programmers, engineers, kikes who own them.
what people DONT realize is that the money wont be in america anymore for normies, it will be in other developing countries like africa where white normies are considered geniuses.
>>76685903
Indeed, that's why I look for new industries that are starting to appear.
>>76671984
Good, poor fags deserve to starve.
>>76686064
Business analysts, accountants, middle managers (team leads, project managers, etc.), designers, sales and marketing, and legal will still be there alongside the STEM folks.
>>76677448
Already happening
New Luddite movement WHEN? Robot fucking shits must go
>>76685807
In short, machine "brains" were not created to simulate an organic brain, they are completely incapable of learning anything, they are only good at following orders and their base process revolves around mathematic calculations. They are incapable of pattern recognition or creating things, the best they can do is follow our orders and maybe with good complex programming apply our concepts into certain situations.
At any rate post scarcity will never happen unless we change some fundamental understandings of the population specifically regarding energy, and even then we would need to construct massive projects to start mining asteroids asap.
>>76678549
I don't get why they always say that cyberpunk is an authoritarian police state, in most of the cyberpunk works i've seen everyone pretty much seems very free and do what they want.
>>76686334
>>76686549
Matrix was absolutely stupid, those robots would be fully capable of shutting off any pain receptors they could have and surely weren't killed by that since their info could be uploaded to somewhere else if needed. Besides the idea that machines would need humans or even be dumb enough to use solar energy killed my immersion.
Fusion energy will ALWAYS be the future and even if they were short on that, using thermal energy is extremely more efficient than using people.
They should have went with the concept of them using the human brain processing power.
>>76674378
Robocop.
>>76686946
>*geothermal
>>76683281
You need to learn a little bit of history
>year is 2030
>massive violent outbursts in Africa, Middle East, and poor Asian countries
>all funded by rich jews
>all to pave way for automation factories w/out causing massive unemployment
>>76683874
Tell me more about these robot consumers...
>>76687676
>we need to wreck havok in the entire world instead of banning our media from having such cuckish opinions about everything ever
>>76688071
we're the robot consumers anon
really makes you think
>invent a system of resource distribution that relies on the masses performing menial tasks 50 hours a week
>invent robots that can perform these tasks so human beings don't have to
>the robots are somehow the problem
>>76683360
I work for a financial company (a big one) and they have been quietly purging all kinds of pencil pushers. Financial products rely on an army of processors, administrators, researchers, and so on. Little by little these people are getting replaced by smarter software that automates their job. My job is safe because dumb people still need to be told what to do, but it's getting harder because all these automated business processes replace people, but I have to fucking operate them. It's making my job shittier every day.
>>76688110
It's not about cuckish opinions. It's the fact that if a foreign company comes in sets up shop and causes 75% in an area to lose their jobs the violence will be directed towards the company. Instead, you create a climate of violence towards each other, then let them wipe each other out sufficiently enough.
Also, I forgot about South America, you guys will see this too.
>>76673485
uhhhh....were only importing them for vo- errr humanitarian purposes!
stay woke, goy!
>>76685534
>That's not how AI works scholmo
>>76684939
So is Sam Harris lying? Or is he just totally unknowledgable about A.I. even though he's a neuroscientist and has talked to a bunch of people working on A.I.?
Finally. My CyberPunk fantasy will become reality.
CyberPunk thread?
>>76674926
All of that goes out of the window when the robots build robots.
>>76688737
Will cities continue to densify if there are fewer and fewer jobs available? People often move to cities for jobs, but what if most jobs are gone?
Two words: SPACE. ELEVATORS.
if millions of people aren't getting a paycheck then how is mcdonalds gonna sell burgers...
>>76688698
>that can do any human labour
Only possible if he wasn't including STEM on it
>powered by sunlight
Yeah he was bullshiting. Sunlight is extremely expensive, inefficient and unreliable. Even for green energies, which should be focusing on geothermal facilities a long time ago.
>>76688424
>if a foreign company comes in sets up shop and causes 75% in an area to lose their jobs the violence will be directed towards the company
Corporations already fuck the shit out of the third world. Trillions of dollars are being sucked out of those shitholes every year. The people living in these places are absolutely clueless about the extent of their exploitation and how much better their lives could be if they revolted. What makes you think that they would suddenly wise up in this future scenario.
>>76688823
Then people start moving into cities for fun because everyone will be on welfare, and nanobots will be able to build buildings much higher.
what about morphing humanity with machinery deus ex style?
Here comes the revolution.
They gave us gold cages and long chains with at least some meaningful jobs, at least some hope of petitebourgeois careers, we could at least buy computers and blenders and beer. All that stuff reproduced the relations of production.
Now that will all be taken away from us.
Lenin said the capitalist will sell you the rope you use to hang him.
Marx said the contradictions within capitalism will be its downfall.
>>76689458
Possible and the most probable future.
>>76671984
another bullshit report by a company so shitty it required a multibillion dollar bailout
>>76689526
it would prevent the animatrix scenario happening in any case ,plus cyborg implants woop woop
>>76682078
>implying that the elites will just let everything get cheaper and cheaper
That's not how capitalism works.
does anyone remember the futurist comic that had young adults going to future universities?
please post if you have this
>>76689615
As I mentioned here >>76686946 the animatrix scenario is so improbable that it would be easier to think about magic and elves as reality. At any rate we have no reason to believe it would be similar to Deus Ex either because the whole things revolves around the idea that the problem of trans-humanism would be the need for a drug that would stop our anti-bodies, when in truth our immune system is exactly one of those areas that would benefit the most.
The social problems would come when some people specially religious people start to oppose not only getting upgrades but those who do, who will be better fitted to do literally any type of job.
>>76671984
Who are the robots going to sell to? The first industrial revolution in England had misplaced peasants that could be employed in the new factories, and they could export products. You had buyers and sellers. With robots, you only have sellers, and who will buy all the products if additional 45% of the people will not work? It probably means war to shave off the excess population. Universal income is coming too or something to induce the consumption.
>>76689230
>Only possible if he wasn't including STEM on it
What are you basing this on?
>Yeah he was bullshiting
Address the point he makes at 4:20. It directly goes against what you're saying.
This man will save us. He is the most visionary, humane business leader in the world.
I believe in Mark.
>>76686534
That's because you play as the punk. It's pretty obvious, really.
That's like asking why feudalism doesn't seem that oppressive in Game of Thrones when it largely follows the nobles.
The characters exist outside of run of the mill bullshit.
>>76689479
what if they were right?
>removing even more jobs for the underclasses will make them poorer
No fucking shit, whoever doesn't immediately understand this should be euthanized
>>76686305
>business analysts
>accountants
>middle managers
>sales
>legal
>still there
Tip top kek.
>>76690124
Because STEM needs pattern recognition, creativity and creation of concepts. Not only that it needs applying concepts from wildly different areas together.
That's not how the AI works, AI works through binary systems and that's not how our brain works, that not how neurons work.
Every scientist will tell you the same thing, the biggest frontier of this century isn't the deep sea or the space, it's either our genes or our brain. Because we are still crawling on those fields.
Our brain uses hormones which don't even have a similar equivalent on a computer's brain, our brain is extremely capable of adaptation through plasticity. For example now it's know that if someone looses a part of his brain another area might adapt to do a similar job. It's like if a computer lost it's GPU and somehow the sound card adapted to do a similar job.
The easiest way to explain is that the problem of AI human intelligence comparisons is that the hardwares are completely incompatible and the "programming" language of each has different basics thanks to that and it's evolving at different directions.
>>76690813
Good riddance. Fuckers.
>>76671984
This was part of the plan all along. The relative growth and prosperity of the previous century is gone now and it isn't coming back. The rapid descent of things is beginning soon and the majority of the human race will be dead by the end of this century. To the people who run this world, we're less than cattle. The Georgia Guidestones aren't just for decoration.
>That feel when we are moving toward the Roman Empire, where citizens were neets living on welfare, getting bread and games, with slaves doing everything for them.
>That feel when our society is as corrupted and degenerated than Rome two thousand years ago.
>>76690988
STEM only exists because it is profitable. If you take that away from it stem is finished.
Btw the solution to turn automation into utopia is if the workers control the means of production. the workers will then make the same profits they would otherwise but start to work 35...30...20...10...0 hours a week.
Whereas now the capitalist class will just keep laying off needed workers.
Bertrand Russell wrote about this decades ago.
>>76689335
Because pre-automation exploitation meant getting a paid a wage that was acceptable in your country. Post-automation exploitation will be getting paid nothing.
>>76671984
This is horseshit.
>robots will maintain and build themselves
The only firms claiming this stuff are those that benefit from it politically and economically.
>>76691221
>workers control the means of production.
so let robots control society? you want skynet?
>>76671984
LOL keynessians
>>76688071
The guy is right on the money. Robots will work and operate for "Ether" a crypto "fuel" that they need to execute orders and actions. This cryptofuel called Ether already exists. Google Ethereum crypto
>>76691404
I would rather have skynet than have ignorant egoist businessmen like donald trump running the world.
>>76685314
>you had plenty of chances
If you are good at math, maybe. Many people aren't and included in that number are many who are otherwise regarded as intelligent. Spiting people because they lack talent in one area is childish. It would be like constructing an economy based on musical aptitude and saying all those with tone deafness need to go to the gas chamber.
People don't choose what they have potential to excel in. How many poorfags do you really think had it in them to become engineers but didn't? I'm sure it is a much smaller number than those who, unfortunately, never had a chance.
>>76691221
>STEM only exists because it is profitable.
That's not how the government works, SJWs welfare and the such aren't profitable either and while extremely detrimental to humanity they are still pushing this big time.
Government founded stem exists because we can't rely on private companies to do certain kinds of research, specifically the ones that aren't profitable, either because the result will kill a cash cow or because the final product can't be patented.
The problem with the video you posted is the same with all the other types of popsci videos or libtard arguments. You are asking me to prove a negative, that what he said isn't possible, when the guy himself doesn't say how it's possible when everything we have, every information, goes against what he says.
He even says that trump said that he hates islam, and we know that ain't true. Stop putting the guy on a pedestal.
>>76691596
what if it's programmed with anonymous meme magic?
>>76691760
count me in
>>76690988
>the problem of AI human intelligence comparisons is that the hardwares are completely incompatible and the "programming" language of each has different basics thanks to that and it's evolving at different directions
"If we get the algorithm right, with enough hardware resources, and the limit is definately not the hardware at this point. There's just no reason to think this can't take off and we'd be in the presence of something that's like having an alternate human civilization in a box that's making thousands of years of progress everyday."
So is wrong or am I missing something here?
>>76685314
Here is your problem. Mass market is selling to stupid people. Stupid people not having a job = really really bad for business. No business no job for "smarter" goys. You are missing who pays you. The business employing you depends on masses buying their shit. Businesses not selling to the masses are mostly shitty as a business.
/pol/ will still decry basic income.
Literally if the rich don't redistribute their wealth there will need to be a massive culling of irrelevant people.
>>76691302
Pre-automation exploitation means privatizing government run industries to the detriment of citizens and replacing local businesses with corporate entities, again to the detriment of citizens (aside from the handful of them that get jobs). Seems like in a situation of automation you're just taking those few people that are currently employed and making them unemployed too. It's not much of a difference from where they are now.
>>76683874
>robot consumers
greek economics ladies and gentlemen
>>76691860
Let's start with the first mistake, the limit definitely is the hardware. We have nothing that has the processing power of the human brain that it's of the same size, nothing. To have a computer machine that follows the trillions of lines of code needed to simulate the human brain we would need a giant computer.
Then you would have to of course get people to figure out the correct line codes that would simulate a human brain.
Then you'd need millions of work-hours to code all that thing and even more time to remove all the mistakes that would happen in the process.
Try to understand this, human intelligence is built from the need to adapt to survive, we are the result of cells needing to eat to get energy and survive. Computer intelligence is basically a glorified calculator.
You have a whole bunch of people who can't afford to buy robots or purchase anything from the people who own the robots because robots took all the jobs.
These people then would end up working for each other using older tech in their own semi-isolated economy until they can afford to upgrade to the new robot tech. This is how progress works right now, and will continue to work.
MS in Engineering here.
Robots are well on the way, I got a job recently where I will be developing agricultural robots, explicitly to replace the labor of migrant workers.
The best way IMO to deal with the "automation crash" would be to impose a taxation on the goods and labor produced by the automated machinery. Not enough of a tax to make the robot no longer worthwhile...
But enough that you could start to pool funds for a sort of universal income subsidy for the citizenry.
Otherwise you are absolutely going to hit a snap when people can no longer buy the goods produced by robots, because they don't have enough employment to afford them.
Regarding AI, that's well on the way too.
The field y'all motherfuckers need to keep your ear to the ground for is "Machine Learning"
It can do some seriously amazing things when conditioned right, and it is getting better by leaps and bounds every year.
I reckon that by 2030, we will have computers capable of writing functional programs on their own.
>>76691927
and this is a problem because?
there are over 6 billion worthless people in this world most are 3rd world mudshits that have 3-5 kids whose kids have 3-5 kids kill them all
>>76680999
Business management here. Not at all what I ever envisioned myself doing, but here we are.
>>76692319
You're a smart guy, anão. I'm reading all your posts.
>>76672145
>>76674265
>>76671984
No one.
>>76692765
quantum computing + machine learning = AI
>>76692765
>Otherwise you are absolutely going to hit a snap when people can no longer buy the goods produced by robots, because they don't have enough employment to afford them.
So they buy from people who charge less than the robots.
Why can't we just own the robots instead? It would make sense to distribute the means instead of just wealth itself. I'd much rather own my own farmerbot and plot of land. Do you think we'll reach that point?
>>76691698
yes welfare is extremely profitable. It is a ransom payment to the poor so they don't go fucking nuts and burn everything down b/c they're literally starving to death.
Welfare is done to continue capitalism.
government doesn't exist if there isn't enough profit. because it only exists to create profit, either structurally or instrumentally. read your poulantzas or ralph milliband
>>76692875
And it's only gonna get worse. Between billions of literal retards in Africa and the middle east, coupled with no jobs because of robots, something is going to have to break.
>>76693077
>>76692319
>simulate the human brain
What does AI have to do with simulating a human brain. Artificial intelligence is intelligence created artificially, i.e. not a human brain.
>correct line codes that would simulate a human brain
Again...
>Try to understand this, human intelligence is built from the need to adapt to survive, we are the result of cells needing to eat to get energy and survive
What does that have to do with intelligently designing artificial intelligence? This is a textbook appeal to nature. It's like you flipped the argument of intelligent design and evolution.
"Evolution could never be possible, only an intelligent being could create intelligent beings."
"Intelligent design is impossible, only evolution could ever create intelligent beings."
>Computer intelligence is basically a glorified calculator
The funniest part of your post. You type out this long ass screed about simulating the human brain and then you conclude with this. How does this follow from anything you said? You rambled on about a point that has nothing to do with AI and then you capped that with this statement you pulled out of thin air.
>>76693077
>>76693162
Someone who gets it.
>>76693135
well what should happen is farms deliver a set amount of food to each household. each household is built by robots.
every person in the world is given enough food and an apartment. If people want more they will work mostly in maintaining the robots and making better robots until robots too replace this job, then everyone will just do everything except work.
>>76693077
bio
>>76693294
whats that the obelisk?
>>76693078
>quantum computing
Ternary logic will suffice.
Quantum computing will never be commercial though, strictly government, military, and corporate.
>>76671984
Do you think a lot of this is sensationalist? Are corporate tax accountants fucked?
>>76692875
>nothing personnel...kid
Because it could just as easily be you or me getting cullef. If you travel down the path of who is good enough to live, how high do you set the bar? Or do you just let natural selection do the work, in which case the elite already beat all of us.
>>76675627
In Asimov's books, unions prevented robots from being used in many industries.
>>76693433
>>76684468
Good. The world will be better off without the inhabitants of Africa and southern and western Asia.
>>76693433
Monument near Groom Lake, vanished off the face of the Earth now. All those underground installations and underwater bases aren't just for black-budget research.
>>76693712
I just saw china is opening an underwater "research lab" lol
>>76693464
Well, accountants in general are fucked. NPR and at least one other site did an estimation on the chance of automation taking over specific jobs.
>>76692765
>replace migrant workers
>directly helping to reduce the population of illegals
Thanks based anon
>>76693838
Those writers don't understand what accounting is, though. They mostly refer to bookkeeping, which already is largely automated.
>>76693634
>>76691569
Robots don't need incentive to work, they're soulless, programmed machines.
>>76694125
>>76673112
>says croatia
>>76682545
Robot tenders
Programmers
Assembly Line Designers
Data Scientists
Plus, since everyone has time on their hands, low-skilled workers can do niche jobs like surfing instructor, frisbee golf teacher, etc etc.
>>76694172
>>76693145
>profitable
For personal individuals and companies, yes, but if government operated like if it were an company it certainly would not allow such thing as welfare to exist.
>>76693242
>What does AI have to do with simulating a human brain. Artificial intelligence is intelligence created artificially, i.e. not a human brain.
Because unless we can simulate the human brain, the AI will simply not be able to do similar things, like grasping abstract concepts, learning them and then applying them to different areas.
>What does that have to do with intelligently designing artificial intelligence?
Because they come from very different origins they have very different characteristics. Before organic creatures had something that we can call intelligence they were already capable of modifying themselves. A computer cannot do this unless we give it a line that allows it to do so, and even then we would need to specify completely what kind of change it would do on it's computating process.
We learn and adapt because we need things, we have a basic instinct, a computer does not. Our reasoning process is deeply connected to emotions, a computer has nothing similar.
This is why we have to change paths with Trump very soon before it is too late
>pic very related
This is the last chance
>>76694356
Trump will not be able to say this because there wont be a future
>>76684795
Everything you mention is stuff that probably only the top 10% or less most intelligent people with actual work ethic could hack it in.
Allow me to buy robots and then get the money they'd earn working their job.
You see, I still get money, perhaps less than normal, so I can live and spend money, but we still get superior robot workers.
It's like investing, robots must be expensive.
But I get my own army of wageslaves to work for me
>>76671984
can't wait for a robot to hand me my burger, than a filthy nigger
>>76681811
no, the rich making all that money aren't going to start sharing it.
they'll horde it like they do now which is why trickle down economics doesn' work
>>76681870
Would be fine with me. White collar crime is the cop's future.
>>76682586
>UBI
i keep seeing this but i don't know what it's refering to
>>76694145
not when they become self aware
>>76671984
Alright but the real question is when will they have artificial wombs that can bear children?
>>76671984
Good thing Europe imported millions of low IQ savages before the automation wave hit.
>>76694905
Sometime I wonder if this was the plan all along.
Harden the white race up against the nigger hordes, while forcing whites into higher occupations, they expelling the niggers when robots take over.
Or they just want to kill everyone which seems more likely.
>>76694879
Probably.
keep calm yall, the robots will make us all live more comfy.
teach your kids the programming language python, and teach them some languages like mandarin. so they can communicate with the new global economy.
well be alright (;
farm laborers will now be like office workers.wont even have to be in the sun
the future is gonna be awesome
>>76671984
I heard someone from the Sam Adams School of economics or something to that effect on NPR arguing for a flat minimum salary paid to all people.
Something in the range of $1300 a month for U.S. residence. Not lost when a person receives employment. it is for literally everyone. It replaces all other welfare programs.
Add to this the fact that a good chunk of people will still WANT to be productive (I, for example would like to be an author and musician) and you suddenly have an economy where luxury is the driving force not survival.
Sounds good to me.
>>76694879
artificial sperm seems more likely
>>76694879
At this rate it'll be entirely up to china, last I checked they are the only country that doesn't has laws "protecting" embryos from being developed beyond 14 days outside a womb.
>>76694334
>Because unless we can simulate the human brain, the AI will simply not be able to do similar things, like grasping abstract concepts, learning them and then applying them to different areas.
No, this is absolutely not true. Jesus Christ you're just making shit up.
There's nothing special about the meat between our ears. Everything our brains do can be done using any other material. Turing discovered this over 50 years ago.
>A computer cannot do this unless we give it a line that allows it to do so, and even then we would need to specify completely what kind of change it would do on it's computating process
So a computer can't modify itself unless it's engineered to do so? No shit. Now why do you jump to the conclusion that this isn't being done or that it's impossible? According to Sam Harris and everything else I know about AI, this is feasible as engineers are doing it right now.
>we have a basic instinct, a computer does not
A computer can have anything if it's engineered just so.
>a computer has nothing similar
Again, a computer can be programmed to have something similar and according to Sam Harris it's being done.
>all the illegal fruit pickers get replaced
Nice
>>76685027
i see what you did there
but i also agree with you
>>76688983
this
even though a robot can flip and make burgers one day and cashiers are being replaced those fast food workers use their meager pay at dollar stores and the like. it just cascades across the economy
tl;dr we're fucked
>>76674926
>Man dropped the spear and learned how to plow.
No, he has made better spears and plows.
AI would be dropping the spear and plow.
>>76672145
>No one to buy from them
It is rather simple to get around this. Just sell the products to some other less-developed country while your own population goes nuclear and slowly eats itself. Export will be chief, for a little while.
Who said the goods had to be for the home land? China and other countries like India have booming populations, that are increasing in wealth. Special deals with their governments, or "partnerships" can be very lucrative.
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>>76695427
welcome to the future of humanity
the last remnant of biological man kept alive in controlled dystopias as a genetic backup for the trans-humanist elite that live offworld
>>76690988
Really makes you think.
DESU mate you are just talking pseudo intellectual bullshit.
In two three decades we will probably know everything there is to know about the brain.
>>76693009
You mean articulate and confident. His claims aren't true and the essence of his delivery is unreasonable. If you weren't so impressionable you would realize this.
>>76694846
If that day ever come you'll want to load up on armor piercing rounds and invest in emp.
>>76692319
Wow with every post you are becoming more retarded my friend.
>>76693439
>he fell for the quantum computing meme
Just as planned
>>76694846
They only reason man desires sex, sweets and is averse to pain is because we've evolved to be that way. A robot built to work will work. It could even be engineered to enjoy work so that once it becomes self aware it will still like what it's doing.
>>76691569
So robots work to get more electricity to keep working for more electricity. Brilliant.
>>76696049
Why are Jews so based?
>>76696089
>he doesn't understand the human race is capable of almost anything
we've done some wild, scifi type shit in our short existance
>>76696190
no pain no problem
but you wouln't have self aware doing menial shit
and self aware is just that. i don't think you cou;d fuck around with their thoughts and program to dream of electric sheep and enjoy cleaning out sewers
>>76693439
Thats what they thought of computers a few dacades back.
>>76693439
Wanna bet? Quantum computing is already in demand. Some hobbyists are even attempting and setting up their own bare-bones systems. It just won't be widespread for a long time.
Kind of like now when you think of the difference of handle held/desktop computing, vs the hobbyist super-computing, where someone goes and builds an 11,000 dollar calculator.
There are many experiments going on involving quantum computing. It will be the next step forward. Just, perhaps not in our life-time. Once someone figures out how to make it stable marketable product out of it, it will spread like wild-fire.
>>76693634
That seed vault is in Svalbard, north of Norway, which is in the Arctic NOT THE ANTARCTIC FUCKING REEEEEEEEEEE
>>76696303
Why do you have such a big nose?
>>76696460
we've come far
charles babbage used a bunch of mechanical gears to calculate things
then we used vacuum tubes
the transisotrs
next step are atomic particles or whatever is used
>>76696303
Cause we need to survive the coming purge.
>>76696394
>but you wouln't have self aware doing menial shit
You're thinking in very human-centric terms. Humans have evolved to lust after sex and survival. There's nothing stopping engineers to entrench the same intense desires in AI, but to direct those desire at working and serving humanity. Imagine a person as eager to fill out their tps reports as you are to have sex with a 10/10.
>>76684873
>expect STEM people to be the leaders of the world while the rest of the population becomes a bunch of mindless zombies that only think about porn, video games and shows.
This has already happened.
>>76696826
You know what they say about guys with big noses
>>76684596
w2k anyone? hahahaha
>>76697071
They make great financial advisors?
>>76696932
You got any good advice, massa?
>>76685301
>gg was about getting pussy in video games
How misinformed can you get, grandpa?
>>76697161
kek
>>76696998
In fact, STEM people's importance has either already peaked or will peak soon and then go down.
A low scarcity society, with machines that design machines will make STEM work dissapear. It will mostly be automated hidden tasks. Physicalism in general will lose importance since our minds will not be so occupied with material problems.
We will have more space to think of other things like how to rebuild and recreate society and the world over and over again.
We will essentially be in a reality where our thoughts and ideas will be have the potential to be materially implemented much much faster than today.
It will be more about imagining new structures and realities and who knows what.
But in general physicalism and materialist will lose their strength somewhat, clearing the way for other things to take the central stage.
>>76697171
hmm..
Build a basement. Trap some young qts in there. Have a great life.
