Well??
Wow, really makes you think
>>76659734
I love how this is becoming the new "not an argument"
> suicidal people and children can never kill themselves with a knife/sword/improvised weapon.
anyway, yes, there are irresponsible gun owners. that shit is unfortunate, but to my knowledge, gun right activists and organizations do involve themselves in safety education.
>>76659362
>bad things happen so you dont deserve this object
k ban cars
Why is it okay for him to spout all that bullshit without posting sources? I swear to god, journalistic integrity reaches new lows every fucking day.
Like, I know it's just a shitty political cartoon, but if he's going to make assertions like that, he better damn well have the research to back them up.
>>76659734
This is why I'm now a #OrangeTipMissile
>>76659964
you can't just come in here dump shit memes and expect people are going to care about you or what you think. Stupid newfag.
>>76660389
the burden of proof doesn't lie upon the accuser anymore anon.
This is "muh freedom of speech" now. However if it doesn't fit the narrative it's hate speech.
>>76659362
>cars kill people
>trees kill people
>meteorites kill people
>police kill people
>people kill people
LETSJUSTFUCKINGBANEVERYTHINGBECAUSOFMYFEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEFEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
If someone wants to kill themselves via firearm why not let them?
>>76659362
Look up how Constitution-opponent Dr Richard Petit gunlessly dealt with two men who invaded his home and attacked his wife and daughter.
>guns increase the chances of being killed by guns
NO WAY
>>76659362
I don't understand these people. It just sounds like they would willingly die if someone broke into their house.
>>76660389
>>76660662
>the burden of proof doesn't lie upon the accuser anymore anon.
Sort of.
These are very well-documented, widely accepted statistics. That there is a tiny fringe element of people who want to contest them does not mean that anyone relying on them is obligated to defend them. It only means they're obligated to defend them if they care strongly about the beliefs of the tiny fringe who want to contest them. Thing is, though? That tiny fringe is just-as aware of them as everyone else, but seeks to argue that the information does not count as factual. And the vast majority, who rely on it because it is factual? They don't care about the tiny fringe enough to be bothered by their "you have to provide a source that I will argue with until you stop talking, so that I can proclaim myself the winner."
>>76659362
I wonder how many of those stats are from black gun owners.
>>76661197
>>76661197
anon did you know that firearms are the number one cause of death by firearms?
>i'm with her now
>>76659362
175% of 0.0000000000001% is not statistically relevant. Lrn2math, scrub.
>>76659362
>Citing a "study" from 20 odd years ago that was so badly done it was debunked before the ink dried
>>76659362
When I get in my truck every morning to drive to work, my risk of dying goes up 22 times
wow really makes you think
>>76661403
Word salad m8. Tidy that up a bit.
>>76661403
>These are very well-documented, widely accepted statistics.
No they aren't.
>>76659362
Correlation =/= causation.
I have never seen anyone use these stats to establish causality.
Perhaps the tripled murder rate is because people who live in dangerous areas buy guns for protection. Perhaps the increased suicide rate is because people buy guns specifically with the intent of suicide. These blank statistics don't say anything unless context and causation is established.
Well in South African home invasions, nice white peoples children are being gang raped, hips broken and dunked in boiling water after their faces are ironed. Then onto the wife and husband with brooms and boiling oil..
Good thing they don't have gins cause guns iz bad...
fucking liberals.
>>76659362
Ahem.
SHALL
>>76659362
>wearing a helmet increases the risk of traumatic head injury by over 300%
>>76661486
I wonder how many of those stats are coming from gun owners with a previous history of violence or mental illness.
>>76659362
That's it. I'm now a #JebHead.
>>76661363
I think there's an unearned feeling of comfort/invincibility white American liberals feel when nothing bad happens to them in a few years.
It'll never happen to them, so out of sight out of mind. Nobody needs a self defense weapon because they've never needed one and they're smart! And yes they are, smart to live in gated communities, with people who look like them and work in the same industries as them.
Kind of like women who want to get rid of "guilty until proven innocent" because women never ever ever commit crimes.
>>76659362
>Well??
My rights aren't subject to to crime, accident and suicide statistics.
Me giving up my firearms will not make criminals stop breaking the law, accidents or suicides.
Now that being said, explain to me why I should turn in my firearms.
>>76660844
Has a meteor ever actually killed some one? Is there an actual documented fact? Cause that's one unlucky son a bitch!
non-whites force me to own a gun
>>76659362
Taken out of context.
>a gun in the home increases the chance of being killed by firearms"
People have guns in their homes because they live in bad neighborhoods where they get robbed at gunpoint.
>"A gun in the home triples the risk of a homicide"
Killing a burglar is homicide.
>>76659362
>What are suicides
I'm not planning on shooting myself and I don't have kids running around who can access my firearms, so I'll keep 'em, thanks.
Really makes you think...
>>76661954
>I have never seen anyone use these stats to establish causality
Kellermans "study" is a laughing stock.
Not only did he not do as you say he deliberately refused to control for extremely important variables.
Anyone who has taken highschool stats101 could immediately debunk this joke.
Which is what happened.
The fact that antigunners still try to use it just shows how disingenuous and uncaring for legitimate rational discussion they are.
>>76662881
>greenberg
>anti-gun
Imagine that.
>>76662881
Literally Noguns: The Comic
>>76659734
TOP
>>76659362
>Remove guns
>People start using knives
>Remove knives
>People start using blunt instruments
If someone wants to kill someone they don't need a gun.
>>76662881
>Mfw an AR can easily shoot 1moa groups and 556 is banned from hunting deer in most all places because it is too weak
This kind of willful ignorance is why antigunners should just be openly laughed at.
>>76659362
>Jamal has gun
>Gang shoots him
>hurr having a gun increases the chances of being killed
literally none of these affect me.
I'm don't have kids, im not going to kill anyone or myself, i don't abuse family etc. So why should i be restricted because other people might use it wrong?
>>76659362
What group is more likely to commit suicide?
What group is more likely to commit homicide?
I'll take my nobel prize now.
>>76663176
I like how these people are completely ignorant on a topic they feel so strongly about
>>76663103
and also, dying to a knife or a hammer is 10x worse than being shot...
>>76663314
Because liberals and gungrabbers rely on feelings and not facts.
If they relied on facts, they'd no longer be liberals and gungrabbers.
The higher risk of homicides and shit is due to basketball Americans shooting each other over stupid shit and skewing the data
>>76663314
I think that one's a meeeem
>>76663602
Yea it is but I was referring to the original.
>>76661403
>These are very well-documented, widely accepted statistics.
That's not an objective statement. It's entirely subjective to say what is and what is not "widely accepted."
Widely accepted by who?
Well-documented by what standard?
What constitutes a "tiny fringe element"?
Your post is a prime example of the sort of manipulation of objectivity that "journalists" and political cartoonists such as the one in OP are using to push their narratives.
>>76663699
>That's not an objective statement
It isn't even subjective it is dead wrong
Kellerman is a hack and a laughing stock.
His criteria for "successful defense with a firearm" only counted justified homicide with a firearm.
Which makes up a very miniscule percentage of defensive gun uses.
For a dramatic example gif related would not be counted as successful defense with a firearm in the kellerman """study"""
>>76662881
I will only concentrate on the image involving the deer for the duration of this post.
A: no one wants to bite into their venison and taste lead.
B: You can only hunt with a 5 round mag in most places
C: 5.56 (which is the normal round for the scary black rifle) is inhumane to use. 300 blk is decent, but plz no. .22lr good fucking luck killing even a cat with that shit. .308 rem is the only common round people would recommend to use for large game, and it is $1 a bullet, with most AR platforms in this caliber going for more than two grand, and holding only 20 rounds in a full-body mag.
Conclusion: No one wants to spend $30 on in-state tags ($300 out of state for a tag), only to chunkify their deer, wasting 19 rounds of .308 rem, in clear violation of the law by hunting with a full-body mag.
>>76665178
It's almost like whoever drew this comic has no idea about hunting or guns whatsoever and is just parroting what their liberal fanbase believes or something.
>>76663176
>AR chambered in 30MM
>>76659362
So don't keep a gun in your house if it makes you feel unsafe.
These are good arguments against making gun ownership mandatory.
They are shit tier arguments against the 2nd amendment, because they don't adress the reason the amendment was created.
>>76664651
>based
>>76665178
>.308 rem(Winchester*) is the only common round people would recommend to use for large game, and it is $1 a bullet
>Not buying ZQI online for 50¢ a round
>>76662377
checked. Also this nigger gets it.
>>76659964
"not an argument" was never a thing - only some shitty forced faggotry that started like 3 days ago
>>76665635
you can't be serious
I have traveled all over the globe. Not once did I walk the streets of a foreign country in the middle of the night with any fears. People of all race, creeds, colors and class walking the streets peacefully. In this"civilized country"? No fucking way. Sure we have our "freedoms"... but gunnuts keep us reasonable people in chains. Chains of fear of being shot.
Will I live to see the day when "Well regulated militia" is defined as "National Guard?"
>>76663176
>10mm
ftfy
>>76665178
I buy .308 online pretty steadily for 31 cents a round
>>76665871
Unfortunately I am, Nip. I might have under-exaggerated the timeframe but only faggots that follow that other faggot on faggoty media ever thought it was funny to use.
>>76666040
>>76665477
For the sake of argument against commies, I will only accept match grade, hand-loaded only.
>>76662066
>muh unreasonable gunnut interpretation
You're leaving out WELL REGULATED AND STATE MILITIA.
And the Supremes can rule as they see fit. Slavery used to be legal and accepted in America, too, and their 'votes' cast by their 'masters' were worth a percentage of a white vote. That idiocy was enshrined in law, too. Didn't make it right, didn't make it sensible, didn't make it reflective of our values as a nation.
Maybe we can get over this dumbass gun culture. That's MY hope. It should be at least as hard to qualify to get a gun as it is to get a driver's license. Frankly, I'd like to see it be a bit harder.
I'm tired of children being gunned down. A kid was murdered in front of a local high school yesterday, and a couple others wounded, by someone driving by. The kid was the baby of the family, a "stay home" type, a good student, and he had the bad luck to be in front of his own school to catch some lead during a fire drill.
Sick of this crap. I've had enough.
I'm not alone, either.
>>76659362
I've always been skeptical of mass gun ownership and always thought that the situation in the UK is preferable. I maintain the second part of that view but in the case of US I firmly
believe that the best situation is the status quo.
After reading about that draw mohammed thing in Texas where two islamic terrorists were shot before they even reached the door it's really convinced me that I'd definitely feel safer in a room with a load of gun owners than in a room without them. Good on you guys.
>>76659362
"An abused women is 6 times more likely to be murdered with a gun in her home"
Sounds like an abused women needed to stop running her fucking mouth after the first 5 times.
>>76660196
That's all you can ask for really. Morons are morons, I'd say why hold responsible people accountable for irresponsible people but this seems to be how normie society operates. It's funny how their individuals when this shit logic gets tossed on them. Black people commit more crimes but that's NOT ALL black people, but gun owners have accidents and now all the sudden its ALL guns/gun owners.
>>76666335
You sound exactly like them. Good work.
>>76659362
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.
(Aug. 10, 1956, ch. 1041, 70A Stat. 14; Pub. L. 85–861, §1(7), Sept. 2, 1958, 72 Stat. 1439; Pub. L. 103–160, div. A, title V, §524(a), Nov. 30, 1993, 107 Stat. 1656.)
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/10/311
Suck it.
>>76666012
>tumblr filename
>le national Guard XD
3/10 b8
>>76666335
Stay mad, faggot.
news.yahoo.com/guns-dont-deter-crime-study-finds-180710261.html
More conclusions from actual studies:
>A well-armed populace does not deter murders
>Higher ownership of guns in a state mean more armed robberies
>Higher ownership of guns in a state means more homicides
>There is no scientific data that supports the theory that a well-armed population would reduce violent crime, but plenty that shows the opposite
>Firearm assaults are 6.8 times more frequent in states with highest rates of gun ownership than states with the lowest
>Gun ownership correlates with higher rates of all homicides, not just homicide with a gun.
>Increases in gun ownership precede increases in violent crime.
>Where more people own guns, the homicide rate of friends and family increases.
>The presence of a gun in a home increases the rate of suicide.
- At least one Congressman has admitted he doesn't care what the data has to say.
>>76666666
Who will it be?
>>76666012
Please...
I guarantee I have traveled more than you...
50 years old over 100 countries. Lived in 23.
Try Cambodia at 2 in the morning down by the docks in Sihanoukville.
Try Johannesburg City Central at 11 pm at night.
Try Haarare, Zim suburbs at 2 in the morning.
Try the South Bronx alone at 2 in the morning, if you are white..
What a crock of shit.
>>76666610
The right to bear arms is ALREADY “infringed” for many, and for very good reason. Here’s a short list of things that could easily happen if we were to give you your way, remove all “infringements,” and completely deregulate the Second Amendment:
>A career felon could walk out of prison, and purchase a full-auto AK-47 from Walmart
>Your psycho ex could buy a sniper rifle and silencer from “some guy” for $100
>A mentally handicapped child could get a pistol from a vending machine
>Known terrorists and those with terrorist affiliations could easily purchase Stinger missile launchers to shoot down airliners, and RPGs to blow up your Hummer
>Any nutjob could walk out of the asylum, buy a grenade launcher and flamethrower, and visit your kids at school.
>>76664651
what the hell...
he didn't shoot him, was the gun jammed or something?
>>76666788
Sounds s-s-scary...
>>76666788
>1 MOA gun and silencer for $100
How, where? Sounds like a steal
>>76666788
You forgot that any convicted felon can legally own a tactical nuke. THANKS OBAMA!
>>76663176
the issue that needs to be addressed nationally soon is whether we have the right to defend ourselves outside of our homes
>>76666788
Sounds like paradise tbqhwy pajamalam.
>>76667352
Israel was convicted?
>>76666788
Sounds good to me.
>work for state secretary
>process conceal carry and firearm license permits
>throw half the stack of applicants in the trash
Unlucky people shouldnt own guns
>>76667747
Of course not, are you a nazi?
>correlation=causation: the cartoon
>>76666788
This is bait, but i'll bite.
Those things don't happen. Even with fairly loose gun control school shooting are extremely rare, and criminals will just ignore gun laws (that's why they're criminals).
In the 60's you could basically mail order fully automatic machine guns and there wasn't pandemonium. Use some actual arguments instead of flawed liberal axioms and fairy tale situations.
Terrorists are given MANPADs for free, courtesy of the CIA. Flamethrowers are completely unregulated and can be purchased without any sort of legal paperwork. Never have I heard of terrorists shooting down American airliners, never have I heard of a "nut job" going to a school with a flamethrower.
>>76667851
n-n-no s-sen-p-pai desu
>>76667821
Why don't you do your job properly and just throw out the black sounding names.
>>76659362
All that cartoon filled me with was a desire to go out and purchase a Browning Hi Power
its sure the stones fault
>>76668183
inb4 high capacity assault stones
>>76668313
leftwanking hypocrats
>>76659362
Niggers.
ALL
OF
THEM
>>76666335
>You're leaving out WELL REGULATED AND STATE MILITIA.
Ever seen the back of a Massachusetts quarter?
>>76668313
But why do you NEED this?
>>76659362
That's a lie. They took the guns from brazilians and the crime rates kept growing up faster than normal.
>>76661177
Nice digits. I knew the older daughter btw, sad stuff
>>76666335
>It should be at least as hard to qualify to get a gun as it is to get a driver's license. Frankly, I'd like to see it be a bit harder.
Then lets make black people unable to purchase fire arms. I mean if we're opening the doors up for who and who can't have one, let's just ban all black people from having one. Boom. Problem solved right? No more black on black murder or crime. No more kids getting gunned down because black people, the ones who do this the most by the numbers, won't be able too.
That's perfectly fair and responsible right? Just make it harder for those gun nut black people to get their crazy hands on guns!
>>76659362
The entire graphic can be summed up as:
>A gun in the home increases the chances a gun will be used in the home
I mean... yeah, like, do you need a graphic to say that?
>>76666695
>- At least one Congressman has admitted he doesn't care what the data has to say.
Because it's not about "the data" it's about the PRINCIPLE of self-defense. You have a right to defend yourself, period, the weapon, "the arm" is just an extension of that taking that away just violates your basic human right to fight for your own life.
This is what people who commission those biased studies don't understand. It's about rights and principals before facts and figures.
>>76666012
>man on left armed with same weapon that soldiers used back in the day
>man on right armed with semi-auto version of weapon that soldiers use today
>>76669357
>rights and principles over facts and figures
the american right in a nutshell, folks
>>76669040
Illinois tried that, in an underhanded fashion, with the FOID system, no gun stores in Chicago, unevenly enforced hand gun bans and carry laws, and now with a stupid expensive carry permit. The problem with gun laws is that most gun crimes are committed by felons who don't tend to follow laws. When Ray Ray is shooting Chuckie over who gets to sell smack to D'Onrell, a couple of extra years for an illegal gun is unlikely to be a strong deterrent. Thats especially true when Ray Ray knows that if he gets caught with an illegal gun, even as a felon, he's going to get probation and if he kills Chuckie theres barely a 1-in-5 chance he'll get charged.
>>76659362
>a gun in your home magically makes you attract bullets
>"vast majority"
>a gun in your magically triples your risk of being killed
>owning a gun makes you more suicidal and also homicidal
>a gun makes you SUPER suicidal
>abused women more likely killed (conveniently doesnt say by a gun too!)
guns are magic! owning a gun makes you cast stupid spells too, like attract crime or summon dumb children
>>76661403
>You are X times as likely to be the victim of a crime if you have previously called the cops
> therefore calling the cops causes crimes to be committed against you
MAYBE I LIVE IN AN AREA WHERE CRIME OCCURS FUCKBOI, AND HAVING CALLED THE COPS IS NOT THE CAUSE OF MY PROBLEMS BUT A RESPONSE TO IT
Lrn2 correlation/causation
>>76669512
Thats kinda how rights work, they're hard lines that aren't subject to appeals to the common good or public health.
>>76666788
>>A career felon could walk out of prison, and purchase a full-auto AK-47 from Walmart
He has a right to do.
>>Your psycho ex could buy a sniper rifle and silencer from “some guy” for $100
Well within his rights.
>>A mentally handicapped child could get a pistol from a vending machine
This is scenario you just made up so it doesn't count.
>>Known terrorists and those with terrorist affiliations could easily purchase Stinger missile launchers to shoot down airliners, and RPGs to blow up your Hummer
>>Any nutjob could walk out of the asylum, buy a grenade launcher and flamethrower, and visit your kids at school.
This is where your dropping the context. There is a clear difference between military equipment and civilian equipment. No one, not even "gun nuts" think it should be legal to buy a nuke. There is a line where you owning the weapon becomes dangerous and that line is clearly drawn at the military. Everyone seems to jumble them together on both sides of this debate.
>>76659362
Save some of that hate for the money printers anon.
If you actually care about social justice that is.
>>76669512
What is the acceptable number of dead children that would allow us to keep and bear our arms, commissar? How low do we have to get the number down to?
If the issue is facts and figures that means there is a certain number of dead children than would be acceptable to gun grabbers.
What is it?
>>76669739
I don't follow your logic. Mine is not based around reaching a specific number but rather seeing a statistical trend emerge, which is quite clear in OP post
The average settlement for NYC civil rights violation suits against the city is $33,000. I will take that much for each bullet you take from me, plus $1 million per firearm. You pay that to me, and I will relinquish my guns.
>>76669512
Okay. Someone died because a gun.
Now when I hit you in the face, you better sit there and take it, right? Because someone used a gun somewhere to kill someone YOU. DO. NOT. HAVE. A. RIGHT. TO. FIGHT. ME. OFF. ANYMORE. DO. YOU?
Answer the fucking question instead of smug liberal bullshit. I knew you'd take that line of out context the second you read it. Because again, you don't understand what a "right" is or a philosophical principle is.
>>76669558
Agreed but you see the point I'm making about opening the doors for discrimination right? These same people would argue it's wrong not to sell a gun to someone because they are black but they'll defend not selling a gun to them because of some arbitrary marker of being insane aka not agreeing with their political opinions.
>you're more likely to drown at a home with a pool than a home without a pool
Thanks, professor!
This is what happens to good law abiding citizens that let them take their guns away.
>>76659362
>A gun triples the risk of a homicide
>A gun increases the likelihood of suicide
>Abused women are more likely to be murdered if there are guns
>What is causation
>>76670093
So the main issue with guns is that children are dying? Right?
The general answer /pol/ gives to the question "How many children have to die before you give up your guns?" is "All of them."
Your post implied that you value facts and figures.
Suppose that, hypothetically, in 2017 we uninfringe the second amendment and allow for full and free gun ownership in the US.
6 innocent doe-eyed children died due to gun violence that year.
Is 6 innocent, adorable lives being snuffed out too high a price? Is the number higher or lower?
What if it was 1,000 children? Or one?
Where is the line?
>>76669512
you are right. we should do away with trials too because they slow down justice and cost taxpayers money
same with voting
hell while we are at it, why not have the gov just own all property so we own nothing at all?
inalienable rights beat everything. otherwise by your liberal logic, trump is well within his presidential rights to ban islam in america because islam causes terrorism. facts beat rights apparently
>>76670197
I got the point you were making. Still, its worth noting that it wouldn't work. Its also worth noting that we don't hear much bitching about explicitly racist gun laws. Everyone knew that FOID was designed to make it more expensive for black to own guns, everyone knew the handgun ban was designed to trip black folks up.
>>76659362
Statistics probably won't mean too much when your wife is murdered and your daughter is getting raped by home invaders.
Well they could themselves in a painful slow way which is the alternative. I would rather they killed themselves with guns.
What is wrong with these anti gun fucks that want suicidal human beings to suffer?
What a bunch of disgusting bigots.
>>76659362
He's right you know, objects can kill and do so frequently.
I was at home making a piece of toast one evening and my illegal, unlicensed grapefruit spoon flew out of the drawer and sawed my neck open.
I'd have surely died if my Mrs hadn't found me and fought off the rogue knife.
>>76670558
Child gun deaths or mostly a black gang violence problem not a gun problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzlU0Xypur4
>>76659362
I've had firearms in my home for the past 10 years. In fact, I have bought 1 firearm for every year since I got my license. Yet nothing has happened, why is that?
>>76670558
>Where is the line?
There isn't one. Thats the entire point. This shouldn't be an exercise in utilitarian balancing of goods and harms. We reject the theory that you can ask me to make myself and my family less safe because my legal behavior, by virtue of being legal, allows bad actors to make others less safe. I ask that you pursue the bad actors.
More to the point, I make my request with the knowledge that you understand I have a weapon. Cliven Bundy might have been picked up at an airport, but his cows are still grazing and he's still breathing.
>>76659362
>Guns being in the home make women abused
WEW
>Guns make you more likely to kill yourself
no they make you more likely to suceed at suicide
>Guns kill children
No friend, guns kill people who aren't educated in how to handle them
>Statistics not controlled for niggers
>Statistics not controlled for gang violence
>>76666012
Somebody update this with a pen and a quill for the first ammendment and a pc with hundreds of edgelords around it for the future of the first ammendment
>>76670558
is this the sort of logistical gymnastics people on this board try to get away with to validate their opinions?
>>76670867
I'm well aware of the negros. White American's are comparable in every statistic to their kin in Europe. Its negros, Mexicans, and various Mestizos that drag our numbers down and make our cities unlivable third world slums.
I just want the left to tell how many children are allowed to die for any given commodity before we ban it.
How many children must drown in the ocean before we drain it?
>owning a gun increases the risk of gun related injuries or gun related deaths
In other news, owning a car increases your risk of dying in a car accident
>>76670604
is the point of trials not to uncover the facts?
>islam causes terrorism
not a fact
switch gun with swimming pool and then debate that
>>76671066
What logic is there in banning guns other than "it makes me sad when bad people do bad things"?
The only argument in favor of banning guns is a literal logical fallacy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_emotion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_consequences
>>76671105
the main difference is that people don't own cars with the express intent of killing others, nor were they engineered to do so
>>76671105
WELL HOW MANY CHILDRENZ HAVE TO DIE!!!
..before we ban cars
>>76671205
>islam and terrorism are in no way related and Islamists haven't been using Islam and the Koran to justify their terrorism for the last 1400 years
Religion of peace.
18-1-704.5. Use of deadly physical force against an intruder
(1) The general assembly hereby recognizes that the citizens of Colorado have a right to expect absolute safety within their own homes.
(2) Notwithstanding the provisions of section 18-1-704, any occupant of a dwelling is justified in using any degree of physical force, including deadly physical force, against another person when that other person has made an unlawful entry into the dwelling, and when the occupant has a reasonable belief that such other person has committed a crime in the dwelling in addition to the uninvited entry, or is committing or intends to commit a crime against a person or property in addition to the uninvited entry, and when the occupant reasonably believes that such other person might use any physical force, no matter how slight, against any occupant.
(3) Any occupant of a dwelling using physical force, including deadly physical force, in accordance with the provisions of subsection (2) of this section shall be immune from criminal prosecution for the use of such force.
(4) Any occupant of a dwelling using physical force, including deadly physical force, in accordance with the provisions of subsection (2) of this section shall be immune from any civil liability for injuries or death resulting from the use of such force.
>>76671470
Is that Grandpa Munster?
>>76659362
All but one of these is correlation not causation. One could see that poorer and less safe areas feel the need to have guns more than middle class families. Unfortunately these areas are more likely to experience homicide, robbery and spousal abuse.
The vast majority of children statement is grammatically incoherent ergo irrefutable.
As for suicide - it's an unfortunate act but guns just replace rope - why blame guns when you could just try and find out the cause of them feeling so empty they need to end there life?
>>76671359
I don't own guns with the express intent of killing others. Even my carry guns. The intent is to protect myself through either the presentation of the ready means of self defense, a sudden drop in my assailant's blood pressure which leads to a cessation of violence, or a sudden loss of organ or nervous function leading to a cessation of violence. Death might be a predictable consequence, but its not the goal. The goal is the cessation of violence against myself, others, or my property.
>>76671591
Look up Michael Aquino. Fascinating stuff.
>>76671355
did you read the stats in OP image?
first of all, no one is trying to ban guns.
secondly, the "logical fallacy" you present may indeed be used by liberal media and politicians to appeal to voters, but doesn't express the actual reasoning behind gun control efforts.
it's so obvious coming on this board how the gun-obsessed are trying to satisfy some shattered idea of masculinity embedded in their subconscious, what a sad product of american culture.
the main point being, guns don't make people safe
>>76671674
>a sudden loss of organ or nervous function leading to a cessation of violence
Kids love guns and they can be taught how to use them very safely.
>>76669739
And if the answer is "zero"?
>>76671740
>the main point being, guns don't make people safe
Of course not. They don't kill people either.
>actual reasoning behind gun control efforts
What is the actual reasoning behind disarming the populace?
> satisfy some shattered idea of masculinity embedded in their subconscious
Is my penis small and am I a virgin as well?
>>76660389
The statistics are "real" for varying degrees of "real".
i.e. they're manipulated to hell and back and show what liberals want them to show.
They often play with meanings and words, for example: Guns increase gun related deaths, and then statistics showing this has a strong correlation.
While the statistics are true in the above example, what's left out is what it MEANS. If you examine it in more detail you quickly discover that more guns = more gun related deaths in the same way that more cars = more car related deaths, and more pools = more pool related deaths.
It's a fallacy couched in hard to decipher language and masked with statistical garbage.
And when you look at "guns increase your chance of dying in your home from a gun" type of "statistics" - that's exactly what you find. They use fallacies to misrepresent data in order to push their agenda.
Pic related is what happens when you start looking at it by objective measurements, like homicide rate vs gun ownership rate. Rather than weasel word meanings that liberals always use.
>>76671470
didn't say they were in no way related, there are islamic terrorists just as there are radicalized christians in the US. the current global problem is Islamic terrorism, as aided by media sensationalism in the US.
anyone who thinks "islam causes terrorism" clearly doesn't know any Muslims; I assure you the extremest factions of Islam are doing more harm to their fellow Muslims than to any Western societies
>>76661363
That's exactly what they're like.
>>76662664
>Has a meteor ever actually killed some one?
A large meteor struck somewhere in Siberia, killing a few random farmers or whatever.
>>76671979
Then we better start banning: cars, pools, peanuts, chairs, sidewalks, trees, the sun, stairs, beds, baseball, food, snow, the tide, gravity, electricity, trains, dogs, scissors, shoelaces, pencils, golf clubs, ect., ect.
>>76672066
>anyone who thinks "islam causes terrorism" clearly doesn't know any Muslims
#notallscotsman
>>76660317
Zerg should be flipping him off as he flies away.
>>76662664
I think there was an obese woman sitting in her house watching TV with her family. She survived since it was small and only penetrated her fat.
Yes she was probably American I swear she was speaking English
>>76671997
>they don't kill people either
but they statistically make people more likely to be killed, kill themselves, or commit violent crime just by being in the house
>>76671359
>the main difference is that people don't own cars with the express intent of killing others, nor were they engineered to do so
This statement is flat out wrong. Handguns are self-defense weapons. They weren't designed to kill. You don't see infantrymen running around only with a handgun.
can I change the trend of this thread and just ask why you people are so hell-bent on promoting gun ownership? are you also afraid of a New World Order? or are you just secretly hoping to run into a mass-shooter or convenience store robbery so you can be a real hero?
>>76672322
I thought correlation was not the same as causation?
By what mechanism does a gun hold this power to "make" something? Does it have agency? Perhaps it is some sort of Machine God? Or it more like Toy Story?
>>76672509
>being necessary to the security of a free state
>>76672509
Because we looked at what is currently happening to Europe and see that the second amendment protects the rest of them.
>>76662664
No one has ever been killed by a 'direct' hit from a meteor that we know about. But there have been injuries and one death from close impacts.
http://www.viralnova.com/meteor-death/
>>76659362
>modeling guns as pathogens
This is why specialists are supposed to stay in their wheelhouse.
>>76666128
>funny to use
I was under the impression that the banality of the statements was the point.
>>76671979
Then logically we should follow through and also ban everything else that has a non-zero death count.
At which point, we're better off putting everyone in padded prison cells wrapped up in straight jackets and drugged out 24/7 so they can't think coherently enough to hurt themselves.
It's painfully obvious to anyone with a modicum of common sense that guns are targeted - not because they are worse for the general population at large - but because they are things that legitimately threatens those with power in our countries, and these rich, politically connected individuals understand that banning firearms would remove that threat to their own power and safety.
Liberals and leftists are still stuck in this naive childhood fantasy understanding of how things work.
>>76659362
>acknowledging what a disrespectful leftist asshole with no experience has to spew out of their ugly mouth
k
>>76672509
Because we don't want to go to court and possibly jail for having unfriendly opinions like our friends in Europe. I also have used my CZ to stop a break in at my home last year, didn't shoot anyone just pointing the gun was enough to make the spic piss his pants.
>>76660317
>>76672792
look at the UK, now knives are being targeted, and bike wheels.
You are dead-on, where people falsely attribute a weapon to crime. It should be attributed to the will of the person who wields it, to either act in a criminal way, a defensive way, or a militaristic way.
>>76666335
>You're leaving out WELL REGULATED AND STATE MILITIA.
You're leaving out THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS.
Notice that it is not THE RIGHT OF THE MILITIA.
Also, DC vs Heller (2008) and The Militia Act of 1903 would like to have a word with you.
The second amendment is an individual right. Everyone except you knows this.
>guns commit crime, ban guns.
Black people commit crime, can we ban black people?
>>76673166
so what do you propose to help people who are so troubled as to act this way? If we can't disarm them then logically the other solution would be to help them before they decide to pick up a weapon.
>>76673224
>>76666566
>>76667875
>never have I heard of a "nut job" going to a school with a flamethrower
that only happened in germany
>>76666830
>why didn't he shoot him
didn't want to kill someone
didn't want to deal with police scrutiny
didn't want to clean up the blood
didn't want to fire the weapon without eyes and ears
didn't want to close the store, didn't want to clean the gun later
didn't want to replace the bullet
his feet hurt
>>76672607
>>76672641
Do not ever, I repeat do not EVER let go of those irons. I've been unsuccessful in getting me a firearm, so I guess it's going to be booby-traps and slingshots for me when all hell breaks loose. Odds are I won't make it, but to know that there are people somewhere who will keep the fight up is one of the few things that stop me from simply giving up these days.
>>76662664
>Has a meteor ever actually killed some one? Is there an actual documented fact?
Yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIxosvRSy4U&oref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DiIxosvRSy4U&has_verified=1
God pooed on him
>>76673387
I thought he used a flamethrower and a spear.
>>76673316
Let them know the gibs will be ended. Their own success or failure will be solely in their hands, and no amount of foot-stomping or arm-waving will save them. Failure to speak to cops as witnesses will be seen as obstruction of justice, so crime in their community can be solved, so they feel safer at night. You know, how it used to be before communists came to power.
>>76673627
Be strong Hans. Wotan lives in your blood.
>>76665635
Holy fuck you're retarded
>>76673806
does this board honestly think that life for a black kid in America is as simple as "my own success or failure is solely in my hands"
>>76666721
how do people come up with such different statistics for the same question?
really makes you think....
>>76662881
Wow, this (((logical argument))) really made me think.
#Imwithher
>>76673834
Thanks Hank. I shall make him proud and if through shedding it.
>>76674006
DIN
>>76659362
but what if we want all those things
>>76674006
yes they honestly think that, and there's SOME truth to it, but also some falseness to it
>>76674006
If you don't take responsibility for your own life no one else will.
>>76674006
It would be if their community would actually try to assimilate, like all the other ethnic minorities ever. But no, they want to speak differently, work differently, and pretend that they are treated as poorly as white people in black countries. And they never mention how a less-qualified black candidate is chosen before a white, asian, or hispanic candidate. No mention whatsoever.
But desu, famalam, I grew up in California, so people here are a bit more anti-racist than racist, so take that however you want.
I believe it is willful disobedience for perceived past slights. Get the fuck over it, my Irish ancestors sure did. My German ancestors sure did.
>>76672174
they're going to try
>>76665178
You want to know how I know you're a NOGUNZ fag?
>A: no one wants to bite into their venison and taste lead
Removing bullets is not difficult except when they hit bone and fragment and even then it is not difficult. It doesn't take much ammunition to kill a deer just well placed rounds.
You are not going to eat lead because you're not eating the deer right after shooting it, you're dressing and butchering it first which incidentally makes it easier to find the bullets.
>B: You can only hunt with a 5 round mag in most places
This is a complete lie, the only restrictions on ammunition in regards to hunting is caliber in some places.
>C: 5.56 (which is the normal round for the scary black rifle) is inhumane to use.
AR15 models are the most commonly used sport rifles on the market for both plinking and hunting and they are capable of firing both 55.6 and .223 the later of which is a very popular caliber for hunting. Both calibers pale in size to most other hunting rounds.
AR15's are not automatic weapons they are simply semiautomatic (one bullet per trigger pull) and the ammunition they fire is no more dangerous or large than any other kind of hunting caliber.
>>76659362
This whole argument is literally:
>If you swim in the ocean, you are 1 gabillion percent more likely to be killed by a shark than if you stayed on land
Thanks Einstein very informative
>>76674006
unfortunately, yes
>inb4 cuck
>inb4 WE WUZ
>inb4 DINDU NUFFINZ xDDDD
>inb4 tumblr
>>76674707
0/10 bait. Try harder.
>>76660844
minorities kill the most
>>76673627
It's dangerous to go alone Hans. Take this.
number one killer of black males aged 12-25 is other black males.
>>76665635
Not an argument was 100% A THING. Which is why it's so triggering.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TYlcVNI2AM
try to empathize. you guys are sad dinosaurs, most people in my generation have realized that racial conflicts are perpetuated by white governments
>>76674900
>>76663138
>Assault rifles are obviously only chambered in 556.
>No where does it say AR
I guess comprehension is difficult for this faggot.
>>76675161
>>76675247
>>76675187
>Assault rifles are chambered in intermediate cartridges. 5.56 is a common intermediate cartridge.
>It literally portrays AR variants in the comic
I'm not mad, but are you even trying?
>>76675341
Btw don't do any of this Hans. This is for informative purposes only so you can see how dangerous it is to resist your traitorous government overlords.
>>76663138
Hcar - Chambered in 30-06...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGsFfkw1BdQ
Also AR-10.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQNnD6TjVD4
Well what?
>>76666788
>A career felon could walk out of prison, and purchase a full-auto AK-47 from Walmart
Has this felon served their time and been reintroduced into society? If so why is this a problem? And if they are not simply call the police so they can apprehend the escaped convict.
>Your psycho ex could buy a sniper rifle and silencer from “some guy” for $100
They can do this now
>A mentally handicapped child could get a pistol from a vending machine
As opposed to getting it from a friend,a neighbor, a relative, or simply stealing it?
>Known terrorists and those with terrorist affiliations could easily purchase Stinger missile launchers to shoot down airliners, and RPGs to blow up your Hummer
This already happens regardless of law
>Any nutjob could walk out of the asylum, buy a grenade launcher and flamethrower, and visit your kids at school.
Why was a uncured psychopath released from the asylum?
What prevents escaped lunatics from doing that now anyway?
You think you have constructed some kind of nightmare scenario but all you have done is describe things more or less as they currently are and it does not bother anybody but you.
>>76659362
so what, its not my problem if others squander their freedom
>>76669730
Nigga civilians should be allowed to own anything even the founding father allowed ship captians to own cannons. That was the nuke back then why can't we get them now or atleast get artillery guns and tanks. Also flamethrowers are unregulated.
>>76674900
>>76675161
>>76675247
>>76675341
>>76675585
Much obliged. This war just got a whole damn lot less terrifying.
>>76673627
Very much this.
When Europe inevitably goes to shit and our governments try to fuck us in the ass, we'll have no choice but stand there and watch, stand there and take it.
Hold your guns close Ameribro, and hold them tight. Because they WILL come for them. If not the government, the liberal fascists will.
Forget about the pedobathrooms and whatnot, your guns is what you need to fight for.
>>76675484
You can get an AR15 chambered in everything from .17 HMR to .50 ffs. 556 is becoming uncommon in civilian built rifles.
>>76661403
> a gun in the home increases the chance of getting killed by a gun
only in ONE shitty "study" of 3 cities using data collected during 6 nonconecutive months spanning a period of 2 years, published in NO journal, but rather the listed citations is a talking point in an ad for a symposium in Trauma back in '97
> a gun in the home is responsible for the vast majority of "children" getting shot
only if you count gangbangers between the ages of 18 and 24 as "children" and assume that they were killed by their own gun during a driveby or when shot by the cops.
> a gun in the home is 22 times more likely to be used accident, homicide or suicide
from a really shitty study that insisted that anyone who died by gunshot within 2 miles of their home and owned a gun, they were assumed to have been killed by their own gun
> a gun in the home triples the risk of homicide
same study as above
> a gun in the home increases the chances of suicide five times
same shitty study as above
> abused woman is 6 times more likely to be murdered if there is a gun in the home
thats a new one.
considering that the other claims come from soundly rejected studies and shit that was never even a study to begin with, this is highly dubious
horsey is a deceptive lying sack of leftist filth.
all of his doodles are bullshit and make absurd assumptions.
OP is as usual, a huge faggot
>>76676080
>.50
beowulf, not bmg
.308 rem, .300 blk, .22lr and 5.56 (sometimes .223) are the four most common, with 5.56 being the most.
>>76676075
Get in on this good stuff though: >>76676052
We can fight, Francois. We can show those assholes why their forebears had to turn tail and piss off back into the desert every single time before. This is a chance we must not miss.
>>76666335
> implying slaveholders cast votes for slaves
that is retarded.
the 3/5 compromise ONLY dealt with the census and representation.
negroes did NOT have the vote, and slaveholders were NOT permitted to vote more than once based on the number of slaves held.
stop shitting all over yourself and crack a book
>>76676080
>556 is becoming uncommon in civilian built rifles
Cite something. 5.56 is pretty damn common in most places I've been, esp. considering the AR15 is 5.56 by default.
>you can get an AR15 chambered in everything from .17 HMR to .50 ffs
Then they wouldn't be assault rifles now would they? Not that they already did (since they have to be select-fire), but once again: INTERMEDIATE cartridges.
I don't see the point you're trying to make.
>>76662881
This comic implies that assault weapons are all automatic which is not true, in fact, most states have already banned fully automatic weapons.
>>76676080
>556 is becoming uncommon in civilian built rifles.
Pfffffft hahahhahahahhhahahahahhahhahhaahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahaha
Literally everyone and their grandmother is making an AR in 556.
There are dozens and dozens of different rifles chambered in 556.
You can go on any online dealer and find 50+ rifles in 556.
It is by far the most common caliber that modern sporting rifles are chambered in
>>76676080
>556 is becoming uncommon in civilian built rifles
Are you an actual retard? This is the opposite of the truth, especially in America
>>76676603
> arguing firearms with a canadian NoGuns faggot
clearly the canadian NoGuns faggot has no clue what he is yammering about
>>76676867
>most states have already banned fully automatic weapons.
You need a $200 tax stamp and a more in-depth background and police check. Full auto guns are very expensive and they eat ammo like candy.
https://www.youtube.com/user/KauaiBoy1203/videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTwkM7gpx5E
>>76677148
>Literally everyone and their grandmother is making an AR in 556.
I think I had about 2000 rounds of .556 before I even owned a gun that could shoot it. 556 ammo is just another form of money.
>>76665178
I've killed pigs with 22 lr
>>76677148
>>76677164
I think the guy fell for the .300 blk meme.
>>76670274
Fake as fuck
>>76677548
300blk isn't a meme it's a good round with a lot of applications and varied abilities with different loads.
But it is it's own beast with its own roles nome of which really replace 556.
>>76677546
You can kill deer reliabily as well so long as you hit them square in the brain.
God knows how many deer have been poached with suppressed 22lrs
>>76676080
>556 becoming uncommon
Just go away idiot
>>76676080
>.50
.50 what?
Beowulf?
AE?
BMG?
GI?
I'm sure there are even more
