Why did religion essentially die out in the West /pol/? Why is it that even amoung the "redpilled" belief in Christ isn't nearly as strong as it once was? What can we do to bring about a genuine spiritual revival to our people?
>>76630062
Christianity is just like Islam. Christians think that "muh Jesus" is the only true god, just like Muslims think of Allah. Also, they disregard other religion.
Even wondered why there had been almost no violence in the name of Buddhism?
>>76630226
>jesus
>only true god
>not le holy trinity
>>76630226
Designated Shitting Religion go pls, this is a discussion for Europeans. You're not our people.
>>76630062
Because although people are afraid of death, they cant be bothered to observe an organised religion or go to church.
They just describe themselves as "spiritual" now.
>>76630528
I think a lot of it has to do with the "instant gratification" culture that materialistic capitalism has produced.
>>76630406
Do some constructive arguments instead of babbling memes.
>>76630062
Rampant materialism and scientificism.
>>76630627
Why would I argue with someone whose country is a meme and is only here to derail serious discussion.
>>76630062
Probably because science revealed how the universe works and there's no evidence that religion is real. That's just my guess
>>76630062
Usury, by the old definition of the word, not the corrupted new definition.
There is a reason it's a sin, it transforms people into selfish, materialistic, Godless slaves. Money plays far too big a part in our lives. Every bit of attention directed towards wealth is attention directed away from God. The rise of Calvinism, probably the most horrendous of all Christian heresies, gave rise also to the embracing of usury, which in turn gave rise to obsessive materialism and selfishness and general ignorance towards God.
Usury must be completely abolished and usurers need to be punished. Anyone who even attempts to excuse usury is a heretic.
Also although it's fun to blame usury solely upon the Jews, the primary reason for its widespread tolerance today in the west is due to the remnants of Calvinist thought and its effect on the industrial revolution.
>>76630714
>derail serious discussion.
You did that, not me.
>>76630226
>almost no violence in the name of Buddhism
There's more modern violence in the name of Buddhism than in the name of Christianity
>>76630062
Jews know the power of religion. There's a reason they're so adamant in their faith.
Removing religion removes true free will, as well as instilling an absolute fear in death. A man who believes in nothing beyond this physical realm is a literal golem, under the control of those who objectify his reality.
Because religion is associated with the major evils of current times.
That and it's all completely false information that's been disproved. I understand learning the teachings, but you're effectively praising sand peasants that weren't even half as educated as a current 10 year old.
>>76630890
Why is violence even an argument against something?
If it is righteous violence then it's perfectly justified. Only a Hindu Dindu Hippie would argue something is bad because "muh violence"
>>76630890
What is the source?
>>76630062
because it bullied out of existence by jewish media attacks and by "intellectuals" for kids with youthful maximalism like dawkins that make them think they've got more smart after listening to them
>>76631022
A "sand peasant" who has heard even a single syllable of God's true word is more intelligent than the modern college-educated materialist atheist.
>>76631025
Violence is only righteous if it's not against you, amirite?
>>76630890
Self-defense is an inherent right, choosing not to defend yourself against immorality, is immoral in and of itself.
This demonstrates Buddhists have a strong understanding of their behavioral expectations when faced with a threat.
Live a moral life, and if something threatens you, they're threatening morality itself. Which, one has a moral obligation to defend,
>>76631306
I agree with you. Unlike most people in the west, buddhists are fighting to ensure their way of life will continue for their descendants.
>>76631182
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then He is not omnipotent.
Is He able, but not willing?
Then He is malevolent.
Is He both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is He neither able nor willing?
Then why call Him God?
Even if you think god is real, which is basically beyond reasonable doubt untrue, why worship him? He has less documented achievements than my 25 year old NEET friends.
>>76631223
No wonder so many Indians converted to Buddhism. Hindus have no common sense
>>76630062
Because women took over and bred a generation of manchildren that think they are smart if they go nihilist.
>>76630226
DESIGNATED
>>76631704
The only evil in the world is sin, and God allows us to sin because he wishes for us to have free will, and he gives us free will because he loves us and does not want us to simply be automatons. That is why evil exists.
>>76631704
We are God. We all are. That's why we have free will. So, we create evil ourselves, as are we responsible for fighting it.
I'm not Christian, but I do have a deep spiritual understanding of our place in the universe, and morality is key.
>>76631726
That's self defense. That's true for Hindus too.
>>76632053
We don't have free will though.
>>76632311
Yes we do. The belief that we are all bound to our actions by fate is one of the things killing western civilization.
B-but Christian Dark Ages!111
You can't prove or disprove any Spirit based concepts. Which is why pushing an organized way IS FUCKING CANCER!! Why would you want to dictate that others be spiritual? You are imposing your will like a tyrant onto others. Let people discover what they think god is on their own, in the end everyone's perception is different, only an ignorant person would follow or dictate truth when everyone is blind. This is why I raise up darkness. When your cup is always full, you have no room for anything else, so too are those that think they know everything. Fuck Religion, and paths of light, they are toxic to the extreme.
>>76630062
>>76630315
>>76630406
Christianity is a scam, invented by Roman pagans, who 'reformed' the power-worshipping religion they had received using memes stolen (and sometimes flat out misunderstood) from the jews.
It has never been, and can never be, anything other than a senseless religion for mental defectives; slaves and slave-owners.
>>76632311
You don't have free will if you don't believe you do.
But, it was only by the grace of freewill that you were given the choice of living without spirit. I did it fot a very long time, so I know where you are coming from. But you are weaker than you could imagine, and you'll only understand that when you open your heart and mind to the reality beyond what our eyes see.
>>76632053
Well said anon
>>76630062
christianity only worked in the past because it wasn't true christianity but a political tool. im glad it will be gone, we don't need it.
>>76632690
>>76631983
This is just a cop out, "free will" is never explicitly expressed in the bible. God intervenes multiple times in human life when they've done wrong, but he doesn't do it anymore because we can actually record it, what a coincidence.
The only reason you even believe the specific god you believe in is because of geographic position on this planet.
There definitely could be a superior power that influences the universe, but it's unlikely that humans interacted with it.
We're obviously of two different thought patterns, I believe that not knowing our purpose or existence means we should focus on discovering it. You seem to be of the train of thought that those things we don't know are some superior being, seems like the lazy mans way to content.
>>76632690
that image is retarded
>>76632617
My friend, the coin has two sides. Currenly, the face of faith lies down, while nothingness and absolution of physicality is used as a tool to weaken the world population.
Your same logic extends both ways; as spirituality is unprovable, as well as not disapprovable, you cannot justly spread atheism without offering alternatives.
You must understand, faith has existed far longer than the atheism-science marriage, and will likely out last this trend of self-imposed pseudo-intellectualism.
All gods and higher beings are creations of Man, they are ideas from one person's conception of what god, or aspects of it are. Your ideas are no less valid, by following someone else's structure, you get further away from your own connection. Discover what it is using your own methods and you will find truth, follow another man, or his system and you are a slave. Only you have direct experience, a picture or sigil is not the same as it. Take what is yours.
>>76632939
>This is just a cop out, "free will" is never explicitly expressed in the bible.
The notion that we have free will is an inseparable element of Catholic doctrine. Predestination, or any general lack of free will for that matter, is heresy as determined by holy tradition and 2000 years of theological study. This is indisputable.
>The only reason you even believe the specific god you believe in is because of geographic position on this planet.
In this day and age that is entirely false, every corner of the globe knows of the gospel, and anyone who does not choose to embrace it is willfully condemning themselves to Hell.
>You seem to be of the train of thought that those things we don't know are some superior being, seems like the lazy mans way to content.
That's entirely false. Everything we can reliably observe through science is undeniably true, but there has been no scientific discovery in the history of man that has even come close to disproving the existence of God or the reliability of the Bible.
>>76630062
>belief in Christ isn't nearly as strong as it once was
don't worry germanbro, it's just that this kind of people is quite discreet
>>76633158
There was literally people disputing the existence of gods before the christian religion was even created.
Do you know who Socrates is? Do you honestly think atheism is some new trend?
It's literally existed longer than the religion you likely worship, which is based on a more primitive religion that was also disputed by the intellectuals of that time.
>>76633398
>The notion that we have free will is an inseparable element of Catholic doctrine. Predestination, or any general lack of free will for that matter, is heresy as determined by holy tradition and 2000 years of theological study. This is indisputable.
Well since the only truth is that of god of which is spoken only through the bible, show me the part where he gives you free will.
Or are you of the thought the church can invent rules and interpretations that fit their current narrative.
A true believer would only believe the word of god.
>not understanding that you believe that specific religion because it's common practice in your geolocation
>actually thinking if you were born in iran to muslim parents that you'd convert to christianity
>you're this dumb
>Almost everything in the bible regarding history or science has already been disproven
>nothing has been disproven
>ok
>>76633158
You're making assumptions, I'm theistic and highly spiritual. Also you're making many generalizations, you do not know how long this or that has been or the number of people in each population throughout history that where or where not religious in actual number. Also duality is a simple minded concept, if you look at black holes and their gravitational waves you will find singularities. Dualistic thinking is simple minded. You are self imposing, not me, you are saying you want to force everyone to be spiritual for their own good, and using pseudo science to do it. I am saying be free. It's a paradox, in that people can do whatever they want. I disagree with organized religion however, it is toxic.
>>76632907
Eh not really nearly as together as that makes it sound. But at least I have a pretty good bullshit detector and fair amount of experience to draw on.
>>76632969
How so?
>>76630062
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvoJkreZtT0
Good explanation
>>76633669
You assume too much. I'm not religious, but spiritual. I grew up in a family that did not want to impose religion on me, as they had done to themselves.
Bible study was merely a topic in school, and I never went to church. I was a life-long militant atheist that shared many of your views.
Ultimately, this changed when I took on meditation, and decided to open my consciousness to synchronicity, or as Christians would likely call, messages from God.
I learned objectively the moral differences between right and wrong, and quickly amended my life to follow these rules. Not only has it brought me personal happiness, but within weeks I was provided with the perfect job for me, that let's me be financially secure while legitimately helping save lives.
I am not a Christian, but I feel a kinship to Christian ideals, and I can only hope that should the time to "Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil." come, my Christian brothers understand I believe in the same greater will driving and protecting those who live by it's laws.
>>76630779
That and the Communists realized they could pretend to know and use 'Science' to peel away the armored shell of morality from the West by attacking religion.
>>76630062
The sneaky liberal jew has been working tirelessly to undermine Christianity from its inception, and now after millennium of constantly trying to destroy it. It has only been in the last 100s of years that they turned from trying to oppress to subvert through atheism and the various forms of socialism.
>>76633949
>Well since the only truth is that of god of which is spoken only through the bible, show me the part where he gives you free will.
Go ask a theologian, or google it, I'm just a person who follows Catholic doctrine, which was formed through the guidance of the Holy Spirit and is just as indisputable as the Bible itself.
You must know the Bible was not even put to word until hundreds of years after Jesus walked the Earth, there are things not within the Bible that comprise the Christian faith. Anyone who claims otherwise is likely a Protestant heretic. Jesus didn't write a Bible, he gave us his word, his verbal teaching and also the Holy Spirit which guides us to this day.
this is why talking about spiritual shit is always a bad move. People become slaves to another persons method or idea, and loose touch with their own spirituality. Actual spirituality is discovery though your own life, through actually reaching out. It is a will, a desire, it is (initiation). When you start following someone else, it becomes about what sigil is right, what color candle you use, what god you worship, telling others how to live. THIS IS NOT SPIRITUALITY! it is fucking sickness. You had me up until you started talking about the armor of god. People that talk about faith are usually empty inside. This is why darkness is my champion.
>>76634803
>This is why darkness is my champion.
The armor of God is metaphorical. It just means that the only way you can fight evil, is by understanding that you're greater than your physical self.
>>76634803
The 'Armor of God' is the moral upbringing and foundation to your own sense of self that you can live your life correctly, even if you are a weak person this armor will at least let you copy the actions of good and just people.
Without it or an equivalent source of morals then you are like straw in the wind, blown where ever the louder and more ideaologically driven people push you. most of the West has been stripped of their Armor by the Globalists, the communists, The Jews take your pick. This lack of Moral armor of god is the source of ALL of the west's current problems.
>>76630062
May be civilization brought some brains into humans?
>>76630627
POO
>>76635556
Yeah, look at all the brains these enlightened atheists have. Thank FSM they were liberated from that evil Christianity by the honourable atheist Communists :^) Imagine how horrible Russia would have been if they weren't ruled by atheists for the majority of the 20th century :^)
>>76636088
Industrialization is hard on everyone, especially when you start from such a low point. What's your point?
>>76636246
An atheist trying to justify a genocidal regime throwing people into slave labour camps for "the good of the nation", what a fucking surprise
This is why atheists are unfit to lead, you have no souls, you have no hearts, and only pure evil comes from your mouth.
>>76636246
*tips fedora*
>>76636512
>>76636539
But do you have a point? I don't care about your feefees. Your feelings don't mean shit to me. Russia would have been stuck in the 1800's without the Soviets industrialization programs. People had to die for the greater good. It's not glamorous, but it worked.
>>76636766
>Russia would have been stuck in the 1800's without the Soviets industrialization programs
Glad to see we have a clairvoyant here to tell us how history would have played out had the Communists not violently seized power in Russia. Where did you get such an insightful prophecy? God?
>>76636766
>equating atheism to industrialization
nigger what?
>>76636766
>Russia would have been stuck in the 1800's without the Soviets industrialization programs. People had to die for the greater good. It's not glamorous, but it worked.
Proof?
>>76630226
DUDE GET DOWN THERE'S A SNIPER DOT ON YOUR FOREHEAD
>>76636766
>it worked
read a history book. i'm sure the millions murdered under soviet rule would disagree
>>76636983
I didn't start it, he did.
>>76637032
Are you denying the Soviet Union became a major industrial power during the rulr of Joseph Stalin? Maybe you should read tht history book.
>>76637151
it was such a success that it failed
>>76636903
Read a book nigger.
>>76637004
http://ibatpv.org/projects/russia/Nick_II/Industrialization.htm
>>76630062
>What can we do to bring about a genuine spiritual revival to our people?
Stop worshiping a desert Jew and his mountain spirit
>>76637043
I was talking about horrible human rights abuses and genocide, not industrialization. There is no excuse for what the atheist Soviets did to so many millions of innocent people in the name of socialism. There was no "intelligence" there, no intellectual superiority at all, the atheist Soviet union killed millions then collapsed, and the Christian western world thrived. That is the point I'm trying to make, there is nothing especially "intelligent" about being an atheist, as evidenced by the pathetic failure of the USSR.
>>76636766
SHIT BOYS CALL /x/ WE GOT A FUCKING SLIDER IN HERE!
So how was life in a parallel world?
>What can we do to bring about a genuine spiritual revival to our people?
Put more fluoride into the water
Jk, just centralize power in the west again. It's all politics and power. The Church was never anything more but a political force and it was simply disbanded, forced to fall apart.
The reign of Christianity was always bound to the existence of the political Church which fought for its influence and kept it enforced.
>>76637272
Yes, because the Russians didn't conquer third worlders for profit. Unlike your precious Western Christians. The Russians were always poor. That's why the didn't naturally industrialize and why they needed the five year plans and the genocide. Colonization made Western Europe rich, with a large market and decent sized middle class. That's why it was so easy for them. Russia, not so much.
>>76630226
>Even wondered why there had been almost no violence in the name of Buddhism?
this is a meme
the mongol conquerors were budhists
>>76637623
..... except they were Tengri....
>>76632690
that pic might be the most misinformed piece of "redpill" I have ever seen on this board. holy whoopie
>>76630226
The Japanese would beg to differ
>>76637704
except they were not
I could provide a link but im not a liar.
I didnt tell a lie.
>>76637784
Not really.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Shinto
>>76637878
They were Tengri Shamanist. They infused beliefs from Tibetan Buddhism, but the Mongol hordes weren't really devout Buddhist.
>t. Guy from country that produced thinkers like Nietzsche and Marx
>>76637763
Oh, a butthurt Tritheist?
Enjoy.
>>76637151
>>76636766
How do you actually know they would be stuck in the 1800's if it weren't for communism? Communism was horrible and Russians were most likely worse off because of it, industrialization or not
>>76638297
Well of course 80 years of Communism is bad. I'm just stating the obvious, that without an upper and middle class willing to invest in private industry, Russia was doomed to fail in the 20th century. Look at WW1, it was a disaster for the Russian military and for the Russian people because of a lack of indistry. The collectivism and wealtj distribution of the Communist meant that the Soviets were able to at least start some industrial process, but it did come at the cost of millions of lives through slave labor, same with China and the Great Leap Foreward. It's a shame so many had to die, but what else could those large poor countries have done to spark industry? It was a nesessary evil.
>>76638669
It was not necessary, the rest of the west didn't need communism to industrialize.
>>76638266
The Trinity isn't even very difficult to grasp if you understand Christian theology, it's not like we hide it or anything, we put the Trinity everywhere.
>HOW CAN A CUBE HAVE 6 SQUARE FACES WHEN IT'S A SINGLE CUBE?
>>76638788
Because the west had built colonial empires and used other peoples resources, the markets created by colonial populations, as well as the wealth obtained from both to jumpstart their industrialization naturally. Russia never had that. Russia had always been an untamed wilderness full of peasant farmers freezing their asses off. Peter the Greats Westernization helped a bit, but they never had as nearly the amount of resources and as large a market as the west.
>>76639160
And Australians were originally illiterate criminal raping and murdering outcasts banished to an island full of deserts and hostile wildlife who eventually industrialized into a world power, all without the need for communism or socialism at all.
Your speculation is completely worthless.
it was JEWS
jews behind postmodernism
jews behind communism
jews behhind feminism
like an octopus they used each tentacle to choke out and kill christianity a little more in each passing generation.
>>76639506
The Jews are bad but it is the protestant Zionists who enable and aid them in their evil endeavors. The Jews had no power until the Protestants allowed them to have it, because coincidentally the Jews and Protestants seemed to see eye-to-eye on many issues, especially Calvinists.
>>76639417
Except Australia fits right into what I was saying. They sold resources to their mother country, Great Britain, and in return purchased goods manufactured there. Once Australia had built a large enough middle class to allow investment in industry, Australia began industrializing. It's that simple. Communism is good for taking a large country with a high population and little or non-aquirable resources anf helping it industrialize, at the expense of the population.
>>76630062
It's all part of plan to introduce the doctrine of lucifer to the world. Everyone will be exhausted, frustrated, and finally lost. This sets the stage for them to reveal the doctrine.
>>76630062
Jews
>>76631065
From the toilet where you will never find it.
>>76630062
Christianity lost its balls so why should we care about a religion with a storyline that is mostly non-white?
>>76638898
It's incredibly easy to grasp, which is why y'all have to waste so much ink distracting yourselves from doing just that.
>>76639811
>"Christianity lost its balls"
>*masturbates to cuck porn*
>>76639642
they were behind those movements too, see they always enter revolutionary or progressive movements, even within the church just laying in wait for the moment to strike
If you want a modern take on this tactic check jew ben shapiro's shilling against trump, he reverted and went full SJW
It's what they do:
>MEMETIC INDOCTRINATION
>>76637901
Ikko-Ikki, f@m
>>76639811
That's why I left Christianity. I feel no connection to it. It's a middle eastern religion. I feel the same way to it as I do Islam. When I step back and look at it, it just feels alien to me. It's a shame there are no European religions.
>>76639663
And Russia was/is #1 in almost all natural resources, there was no reason they could not do the same thing.
You have zero justification for saying that Russia needed communism.
Because we have science now.
>>76639959
True, but can you really call Ikko Buddhism orthodox? It's like to Buddhism what Mormonism is to Catholicism.
>>76640083
Look at Africa. Resources as far as the eye can see. But guess what, they're pretty useless when no one knows or has the resources to harvest them!
>>76630062
End times probably
>>76640155
Only retarded protestants and uninformed atheists think science contradicts Christianity.
Anything that we can reliably observe through the scientific method is obviously real and true, there is not any observable thing in the universe that disproves God.
>>76639811
>>76640022
Because Christian Morals combined with the enlightenment is what the West was built on. And most people are too weak and stupid to see the moral life without being told that an all-powerful being will fuck their shit up if they don't stick to the rules.
>>76640250
They also have the IQ of 70 and never invented anything.
>>76640250
There was (and still is) plenty of communism in Africa that fucking failed horrendously, just look at Ethiopia and Angola.
>>76636766
Russia should've fashed it up and taken over wtih Germany
>>76630062
People started to worship Man.
1. Christianity is a sand nigger religion, just like Islam and Judaism
2. There is no evidence for any religion.
>>76640506
>Europe
>>76630062
>die out
>evangelical voting block has played extreme role in GOP officials being elected since the 70s
>people screaming about how 'murrica is a christian country
>dudes literally fighting tooth and nail in our schools to ban science
>constant protests outside abortion providers
what the fuck bro
>>76630062
It's all in where you fall in history. See pic related.
Benjamin Franklin had a great deal of thought about this, so as did Thomas Jefferson. These great thinkers likely ended with a belief that "having a belief in something greater than us" was better than allowing society in general fall into total hedonism.
This is why Freemasonry was such a hit to the educated colonialists. They all "got it" as in having a more profound understanding that likely there's something out there greater than us, and the renaissance was all about embracing logic and reason as a superior way of governing affairs, while religion still had it's perks to governing our lives (to an extent).
My personal theory is there's absolutely nothing wrong with living your entire life dedicated to the following the teachings of Jesus to a "t". It's healthy, humble, and pro-western.
Issues abound when instituted religion becomes the priority (volunteering/working in a church has just as much politics/drama as a typical work environment). Most folks simply cannot handle being an actual "Christian" in day-to-day life. It takes work.
>>76640466
Probably. All I know, Czarism had failed Russia. Almost anything would have been better.
>>76640488
And ironically those same man-worshipers went on to strip man of all that ever made him great. They strip away the soul, they bring him down with all the other animals, and still for whatever reason choose to worship him when they may as well worship earthworms and maggots also.
Humanism is dehumanizing.
>>76640390
Jefferson Bible FTW?
>>76640423
>Africa
That's where you went wrong. Nothing can save them. No government form can industrialize, westernize, or secularize them. If the Hebrews are Gods chosen people, Africans are his banished people.
>>76639506
mexibro is correct
>>76630226
>Christianity is just like Islam
>Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"
>Romans (12:18) - "if it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone."
Your reasoning skills are shit-tier, just like your country.
>>76641010
15:3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and utterly destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'”
15:18 And he [the Lord] sent you on a mission, saying, ‘Go and completely destroy those wicked people, the Amalekites; make war on them until you have wiped them out.’
“O You who believe! Enter absolutely into peace (Islam). Do not follow in the footsteps of satan. He is an outright enemy to you.” (Holy Quran: 2, 208)
“God does not forbid you from being good to those who have not fought you in the religion or driven you from your homes, or from being just towards them. God loves those who are just.” (Surat al-Mumtahana, 8)
>>76631022
>Because religion is associated with the major evils of current times.
</sage>
>>76630062
With the amount of information available in civilized societies, most rational people came to the conclusion that basing your way of life on the belief that an almighty skywizard created the universe is pretty stupid
It's probably going to make a resurgence in some manner though, people naturally desire community and somewhere to belong (which organized religion provides)
>>76631704
>Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
>Then He is not omnipotent.
>Is He able, but not willing?
>Then He is malevolent.
>Is He both able and willing?
>Then whence cometh evil?
>Is He neither able nor willing?
>Then why call Him God?
What is freewill
>>76641238
Nice Old Testament quotes Ahmed.
>>76640585
In the end I personally decided to become a Christian coming form a more absurdist mindset. I like the traditions and community, something to combat the islamification of western civilization. The story of Jesus however is absolutely beautiful, and I am open to the idea that there's legitimate truth to a loving god beyond this chaotic world, I just think the actual truth might be somewhat unorthodox though
Because the jews in their media constantly fought the Church and christianity. It was behind a statement "against all religion" but in reality you always saw mocking Christianity, their values, the militant atheist symbol was cross that was crossed. They knew that it values it what our culture is standing on. Without it Western Countries started to fall in degeneracy. No role models, hedonistic lifestyle was embraced and suddenly you had to accept something that was earlier considered as wrong. Because being a good goy, I mean guy was the only thing that mattered. After some time because of the lack of religion people have fallen in believing in cultural marxism, like earlier in history they have fallen for communism (also made by Jews).
Look at this video /pol/. This is what the Jews are afraid of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hakb6S0IpgY
>>76630062
there is no god but kek
and donald trump is his prophet
>>76632939
>This is just a cop out, "free will" is never explicitly expressed in the bible.
Joshua 24:15 But if serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your ancestors served beyond the Euphrates, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD."
>choose for yourselves
Your freewill doesn't negate God's.
>>76641238
i feel like the violent passages in the koran are a little more damning than in the bible since there is ostensibly one author and a major shift in tone once he gets exiled to medina
>>76641418
But why don't they read into the morals in a philosophical manner? Why immediately dismiss an entire moral system because of it's association with a god or religion? Why not read the Jefferson Bible?
>>76641658
Your demonic meme worship will only lead to your and your candidate's demise.
>>76631001
>>76631075
>>76639506
Why is the goy never able to take responsibility for its own failure?
>>76642024
I've been saying this entire thread that the only reason the Jews are able to work their influence is because there are many (mostly "Christian") enablers allowing and even endorsing it.
>>76642024
>Why is the Jew never able to stop causing shit with the goyim?
FTFY
>>76641598
>tfw if that many people marched against Islam in your country, the gubment would probably declare martial law and deploy the army to break it up
People and media freak out here when a couple of hundred people politely march and wave some signs protesting mass immigration and child rape whilst parroting the 'Not All Muslims' to show how not-racist they are.
>>76641488
we have shitters here in america constantly trying to use old testament shit to justify their idiocy, hardly inappropriate to bring it up in response to another american being a fucker
>>76641756
They probably should, I suppose the association leaves a bad taste in the mouth's of many atheists/agnostics. I believe that people inherently desire a moral code to follow though, we're just in some strange intermediate state right now (more so in western Europe, Christianity is no where near dying in the US)
>>76642281
That's true, but protestant shitters are heretics, and it's debatable whether Islamic extremists are heretics in their own religion.
>>76641238
>Amalekites
>Confusing Judaism with Christianity.
Nice try Mehmet. Our ability to live at peace with you is quickly running out.
You have been warned.
>>76630226
>What is Burma/Myanmar
Kek
>>76630062
Basically the Roman-Catholics got too far away from the Orthodox world, and Protestants got too far away from the Roman-Catholics, so Christianity in the West is almost unrecognizable in most places compared to the real thing.
>>76642277
Do you think that media here didn't panic and posted all shit about this March? But people stood their ground and year after year more people started attending and when the danger of Islam was revealed in the Western Europe- even more sane people realized that they don't want this in their Fatherland.
Now the parties know that taking in refugees=the death of their party in polls
>>76633669
There's no evidence Socrates was an atheist, he was charged with it but there's every reason to see that as a lie.
>intellectual "disputation"
I expect more intellectuals have been religious or sympathetic to religion than outright atheist or anti-theist.
>But further, it is an assured truth, and a conclusion of experience, that a little or superficial knowledge of philosophy may incline the mind of men to atheism, but a further proceeding therein doth bring the mind back again to religion. For in the entrance of philosophy, when the second causes, which are next unto the senses, do offer themselves to the mind of man, if it dwell and stay there it may induce some oblivion of the highest cause; but when a man passeth on further and seeth the dependence of causes and the works of Providence; then, according to the allegory of the poets, he will easily believe that the highest link of Nature’s chain must needs he tied to the foot of Jupiter’s chair.
https://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/b/bacon/francis/b12a/chapter1.html
>hurr science is better than religion
>>76640022
>there are no European religions
In my view there is always a living religion in every area, and even if you insist on something "official" there are a lot of older European stories and myths.
>>76641418
almost right but I think it was more so the advancement of biblical criticism (analysing the Gospels especially as historical texts).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Strauss#Das_Leben_Jesu
>>76645313
Really? Isaac Newton is your response there? He was more autistic than every fedora tipping atheist combined.
Not to mention a second rate mathematician unqualified to discuss philosophy.
@76646004
Such bait doesn't even deserve a (You).
>>76640571
>The West is the American South
Plus libtards have far more power than them in america m8
>>76641555
>combating the islamification of western civilisation
>by supporting the judaification of western civilisation
we have our own native traditions, there's no need to look elsewhere.
>>76645448
Yeah but most eurogodfags are LARP-tier and don't properly worship the religion
>>76641598
>without it western countries started to fall in degeneracy
it seems like the native Europeans accepting and internalising a non-native tradition is already a sign of degeneracy in itself.
It's really no surprise that a faith that wants to love and hug everyone will eventually get dominated by outsiders.
Just turn the other cheek, again and again until your people no longer exist.
Great faith.
>>76647243
Just War Doctrine faggot
>>76646456
>we have our own native traditions, there's no need to look elsewhere.
Christianity whether or not you like it saved europe because there were too many religions in Europe and everyone was separated and hated each other but Christianity united Europe into a single force and muzzies could easily use divide and conquer tactics like they did in Persia and we would be Muslim.
>>76646696
>it seems like the native Europeans accepting and internalising a non-native tradition is already a sign of degeneracy in itself.
Most pagan religions in Europe had it were buttfucking little boys was manly and pedophilia also homosexuality were normal also polygamy too and these civilizations and kingdoms with these religions fell into social decay much like that Roman Emperor that liked to fuck little boys and throw them off cliffs for sexual pleasure.
TL;DR: Christianity improved our morals and strengthened Europe into a huge fighting force the world has never seen before.
>>76630062
>Why is it that even amoung the "redpilled" belief in Christ isn't nearly as strong as it once was?
Luther happened (yes, it was the germans again fucking up a good thing). Before protestants it was easy to keep a people united in belief in one's country. Sure, you had several popes in medieval europe, but their influence pretty much stayed withing borders. When a large portion of the population turns protestant in a country ruled by catholics, there's shit bound to happen and rulers like their countries relatively peacefull. Then came the concept of secularism, a way to keep both sides happy as none were the prefered group from a legal point of view. State and religion seperated, this removed a certain pressure to be a devout christian. People took it easy, people got lazy.
>>76643620
it's all semitically-derived so I don't see why an ethno-nationalist would accept any of it - except this idea of "tradition" and if it isn't a native tradition then I don't see why it's accepted.
when you have hundreds of thousands entering a religious building and directing all their attention towards what happened in lands in another climate, habitat etc. which they have never seen it seems like an identity crisis and an uprooting of consciousness.
>>76643620
The Orthodox meme is kinda far fetched in ways m8 but as a Roman Catholic you guys are 4000x better than new age protestants who literally change the bible to suit their political views like gays and stuff like that and personally the Americas were a mistake to exile the puritans to because it caused so much cancer
>>76630062
>tfw Carlism now consists in fucking liberals
>>76647800
I kinda agree with you on the identity crisis m8 but that is why the Catholic Church made paintings of Jesus white and not arab so we get a better conversion rate and more understanding
>>76632690
At least try with a non-retarded image
>>76630062
Philosophy used to be more respected, now you just look like an edgy teenager. With the death of wisdom, people are forced to live a materialistic life.
http://pastebin.com/xMQ9wAwW
You study like a dog and start preaching.
>>76647243
>I heard a new age protestant talk on what Jesus said instead of reading the bible myself
kill yourself
>>76641658
your false prophet will bring the wrath of kek upon your people kek needs no intercesor he speaks to us using this dubs
>>76646500
that's a sad aspect of it - to me it's about the land anyway so instead of sitting in an apartment reading runes and talking about odin, I think it's more in line with the spirit of it to walk out into the woods or onto the moors and entwine yourself with the land itself.
>>76631025
>Hindu Dindu
>>76634748
This
>>76630226
Says the faggot who incarnated from a turd to a poo-in-loo
>>76630062
Because Law stopped mandating it. Schools stopped teaching it. Communities stopped ridiculing the neigh-sayers.
>>76647601
Christianity may have saved Europe, but that isn't a reason to see it as acceptable or something to be welcomed: being pissed on might have saved me once when I was on fire, but I won't carry on letting myself be pissed on in case it happens again.
>Christianity improved our morals
I strongly object. You interpret morality through Christian morals, so you're saying "Christianity made us better Christians". Christian "values" made us weak and shirking of manliness and necessary violence.
>pagan religions in Europe had it where buttfucking little boys was manly
I've never heard that of Northern European religions, although it isn't my area of expertise and to me it doesn't matter - native>non-native and if there are issues with the native religions then we sort it out, not abandoning it to accept a religion rooted in soil none of us will ever see.
we are in social decay now anyway and it looks to me like Christianity is leading the decline (albeit in its new "post-christian" form - sjws, leftist masochists etc.).
>>76648700
I see because atleast you aren't like fags on here that glorify pedophilia and boy loving like the Romans and Greeks like to do because they were European and the vikings were master race despite not having a system of writing and the only account of their religion (Icelandic Sagas) were christianized and the original religion no longer exists.
>>76640326
>Anything that we can reliably observe through the scientific method is obviously real and true, there is not any observable thing in the universe that disproves God.
Nor is there any observable thing in the universe that disproves invisible pink unicorns.
>>76648185
yeah, there's some argument that Christianity has been "made western" ie. with all the saints we've had like St. Francis, and so much western art representing the scenes - that's the only thing holding me back and it isn't enough, I still think directing attention away from the land whether it's through trans-national media or even something like urbanisation - it all erodes human nature somehow. That's my individual view on it anyway, I understand a lot of ethno-nationalists on here approach the value of national identity in more utilitarian terms (national defence, social stability etc.).
>>76649422
It's the southern european religions that were into that filth and yeah Social Decay is happening due to the strict secularism created in the french revolution also on the morals thing you have to agree that things like boy fucking and other shit isn't healthy for society to exist on.
>tfw the French Revolution caused the death of europe and created modern liberalism
>>76649629
And nothing that proves them either.
Jesus proved himself to be the Lord and Son of God by performing miracles and rising from the dead. We can even observe modern miracles today, which further prove the existence of God and the validity of the Christian faith. I have yet to hear of a miracle that proves pink unicorns exist.
>>76650103
Yeah due to the fact that the lands it came from aren't christian but Muslim/Jewish so now Europe and it's lands of North/South America is the only thing keeping the religion alive (also countries like China will soon become the most christian nation in the world but still most of Asia is in their beliefs)
Christianity never took root here because you the Germans forced it upon us and used it as a tool of your oppression.
It is against any reason for a nationalist Latvian to be a Christian.
>>76650272
>Jesus proved himself to be the Lord and Son of God by performing miracles and rising from the dead.
And yet no record of such acts was made until more than 70 years later? That strains credulity beyond the breaking point.
>We can even observe modern miracles today, which further prove the existence of God and the validity of the Christian faith.
Really? So show us one.
Something easy, just stop the internet entirely for half an hour. An omnipotent deity should be able to do that for you in his sleep.
>>76646696
>paganism
>being serious
pick one.
Without Christianity we would be under Islam by few hundreds years now. If you want to be pagan and dance in fucking circles around fire it's fine by me and almost every Catholic but when for the Muslims you're a piece of trash that needs to be eradicated.
Also almost all neopagans that I've met were some long harried slim pussies who had their own room filled with posters of """""hardcore"""" bands and muscled vikings and shit. Pretty gay for me
>>76651126
>almost every Catholic
are you pulling the Catholics are pagans meme? or is your English just shit?
>>76651509
>it's fine by me and almost every Catholic
come on now.
Disagree with the pole though, Christianity nearly fucked Balts out of existence.
>>76630062
Vatican II killed traditional Catholicism and turned it liberal with a hostile takeover of cultural marxist faggot bishops
Christianity is only as strong as the Catholic Church in the west
Protestants are more democratic so its easier to slip in heresy and liberalism
The rigidity and structure of the Vatican prevented it from being cucked for almost 2,000 years
Hopefully people will wake up and we will get a conservative pope soon once all these terrible bishops die and are replaced by SSPX and FSSP guys
Christ represents the love of the father/Father. God's love on earth. We are commanded to love one another and to be good to each other. People that have pursued power and anything else in life for reasons other that truth-seeking and love are lost souls and it is a sad thing for anyone that is good and loves people. Living with love in your heart, protecting the weak and innocent, and always standing up for truth against evil is the way.
>>76652068
Christianity saved eastern Europe from Islam
>>76652361
We need a similar pope to Blessed Urban II
>>76652496
And Islam stemmed from Christianity.
And where were the Christians when Balkans were under Ottomans for nearly 6 centuries?
Also for me personally the more I have been able to overcome my base desires I have found that God has given me strength. It's like sexual energy transmutes to a lower form and brings us to a lower state of being if we are driven by lust. If we rule over it instead we become upright and the energy flows upward and our 'base' 'earthly' self (lower chakras) is connected upward to the higher 'heavenly' divine self (seated at the top of the spine, the pineal gland, seat of conscious) which is a connection with God.
Religion hasn't died out in the West. The largest Western nation is 80% persons of faith.
>>76650111
to me social decay is the loss of touch with human nature and I think it started before the french revolution although the loss of monarchy and the imposition of "equality enforced at all costs" was a major acceleration of it.
"no-one can rule without blame" as it says in that speech which convinced them to execute the king.
https://cafephilos.wordpress.com/2009/03/23/is-it-possible-to-love-god/
>>76653154
I don't know trying to stop them from taking over every other part of Europe too
Islam stemmed from mudshit pagans who copy/pasted the old testament under the supervision of an egomaniac warlord pedo
If you hate Christ so much go live in Pakistan, live in a mud hut and herd goats you stupid faggot
>>76630062
Cultural Marxist subversion.
>>76630062
Liberal capitalist subversion.
>>76654068
>If you don't let Christ's love into your heart you can burn in hell you filthy Muslim
Whatever friend
I prefer to stay in the last European region to fall to Christianity, though.
>>76634748
>Go ask a theologian, or google it, I'm just a person who follows Catholic doctrine
Catholics are very ignorant of Scripture.
The people who destroyed Christianity in the West are the same who have flooded our countries with Muslims. Being against Christianity is the same being supportive of rapefugees - the powers-that-be have brainwashed you into accepting their philosophies. If you are against Christianity, you are just as cucked and ignorant as those who support rapefugees.
>>76654640
Nice generalization.
>>76651126
I'm not interested in all the externals of neopaganism, I mean something more abstract - rootedness in the landscape. I'm saying having a tradition tied to your land is important - maybe Christianity is expedient in the circumstances and sometimes you have to lose balance fighting an enemy, but don't mistake that for truth or who you really are.
Internalising it all and making that constant mental link to semitic people and lands you don't and will never live in seems dehumanising to me, like it runs against human nature and makes it harder or impossible to make a real meaningful connection to your own land which to me is an integral aspect of being human. I understand Christianity has unified Europe though so maybe you're right in the short-term.
>>76652402
"turn the other cheek" ethics lead to mutual peace if you're on fundamentally friendly terms with someone and the anger is only a momentary loss of reason - then turning your cheek, showing vulnerability and non-aggression will remind the man who is fundamentally your friend that "oh yeah, this isn't my enemy - this is my friend. I'm sorry, I lost my temper" - it doesn't work when someone isn't your friend at any level, they will hit you again and again no matter how much non-aggression you show them.
>>76650103
I believe the truth that is found in Christianity surpasses all issues of its origin. There is a reason it has spread more throughout the world more than any other religion.
>>76630406
"our people"
Lmao the only people Europoors have ever hated more than each other are Turks, other than when they occasionally come together to hate one group of Europeans a lot
>>76654680
rejecting the traditions of your own lands to embrace an invasive ideology isn't cuckoldry?
>>76632690
you don't know how to use a semicolon correctly ergo you're a retard
>>76654850
It's true. You listen to your priests and don't dig into it yourself. It's well known that Catholics don't read it.
Ignorance of the Scripture is ignorance of Christ.
>>76653967
Yeah Social Decay is always inevitable but the French Revolution put it on a bullet train.
>>76655922
The turn the other cheek has been taken out of context by protestants m8 it is like the "He who has no sin must through the first stone" passage it was taken out of context (the stoning passage literally justs means don't kill whores because they are whores and shit like that unlike how islam does barbaric shit to everyone unlike other fags saying that Jesus is okay with whores) but turn the other cheek basically means don't waste you anger on stupid shit that's it nothing else. God I hate New Age Christians.
>>76656035
having studied religion for a long time I see an underlying core of teaching shared by all of them and none of it is essential to any individual teacher or set of stories in my opinion - what is essential to the stories is the setting, the landscape - and directing attention away to lands halfway around the world is in my view narrowing of human vitality, in the same way staying in an urban environment and never seeing or experiencing the wildlife and landscape of where you are is unnatural and unhealthy.
if spreading itself effectively was a sign of virtue chain letters would be worthwhile.
