At what age did you grew out of atheism?
23-24
>>76606916
you got that wrong. you grow into atheism and out of religion. religion is like a desease transmitted by your parents.
>>76606916
Go fuck a little girl like your prophet did, Ahmed.
>>76606931
what about theism
18
>>76606916
I shall, as soon as they prove that God really does exist!
I'm waiting.
>>76606916
When peaceman told me I can't have 72 virgins irl
17
Never, of course. That would imply that I'm willing to give up intelligence for a life of ignorance. I gain far too much euphoria from intelligence alone to give it up for petty religious bliss.
That's not even going in to the simple fact that the joy of being intelligent, the pleasures of correcting the dumb religious folk plus being superior is a more pure and correct feeling of goodness than appeasing some false god that never ever existed.
I will always forever be an atheist, and it will always forever be my duty to convert all to atheism, be it the religious nuts, or the delusional and insecure agnostic people. For there is only Atheism in the path of enlightenment and progress, and no other substitute.
Agnostic is where it's at
>>76606916
I have never been religious.
>>76606916
When my fear of death overcame rationality.
this is literally the only thing on /pol/ i disagree with, every time you say something about atheism they just say "muh fedora lel" or something
>>76607000
>current year
>not worshiping the sun
>>76606931
Fuck off, Mehmed.
Turned agnostic when I was 15 and that was 10 years ago. Feel no reason to start believing in adult santa.
>>76606975
>inb4 the burden of proof is on atheists
>>76606916
are paki girls slutty
cute little brainwashed idiot who believes in imaginary things
that's nice dear
>>76606975
Read the bible.
>>76606916
The more mature you are, the more likely you are to believe in magical sky fairies.
I don't think so
was it just me or the entirety of 4chan had been unable to update for almost two hours?
couldnt even post
the concept of god IMO is reasonable and workable into the world but the whole idea of "Jesus" and original sin, communion, holy traditon is just such bullshit how dont you see through it.
>>76607000
nice one mr aus
>>76606916
It's usually the other way around. However, it's fucking irrelevant as most people on /pol/ want the same thing:
exterminate mudslimes such as yourself, subvert the kikes for once, and take back our nationalities.
19.
>>76607116
orcs really exist, read the lotr trilogy.
>>76607116
have you? honestly, have you read the entire thing front-to-back? do you know which parts to separate from "figurative" and "literal" language (cherrypicking)?
>>76607100
4Cousins
>>76607124
wasnt just you man
>>76606916
After eating mushrooms. If you unconditionally subscribe to some ancient book you're still retarded though.
>>76607052
I am one of those posters. atheists are annoying little shits. I also make it a point to ignore anyone on this board who posts anime. my browsing experience has become significantly better. I suggest everyone do the same.
>>76606916
About the time I turned 30
>>76607221
>>76607187
do people actually shit in the street near where you live or is it just a meme
14
>>76607269
So what you just decided that magic is real when you hit 30?
>>76607283
the memes are real lad
>>76606916
this current year actually, I'm 22
>>76607124
/pol/ got it shut down with a fake terrorist threat
>>76607322
well no shit he believes, he just obtained wizard hood
>>76607052
>>76607095
>>76607116
I actually read the Geeta and the Bible, and i couldn't, for the love of me, ever find a talking snake, or a talking lion, or a talking goat, or a talking monkey.
>Geeta
>hindu satan, the enslaver of souls, Yamraj, literally needs a physical Vimana to go and meet Lord Vishnu. shiggy diggy.
>>76607116
>Bible
>talking snake.
>literally jews escaping instead of jews being thrown out of egypt. [at least get your verifiable facts straight guys. inb4 109_places_jews_have_been_thrown_out.mpeg]
>literally flying pillar of smoke and fire - [inb4 tsoukalous, "hurr durr ancient aliens flying a cylindrical UFO"]
>literally walking on water
>literally trillions of galaxies with trillions of planets each.
>literally only 1 single solitary planet that matters.
>literally God only talking to bunch of schizophrenic inbred family. [yeah, so your God didn't care about the Chinese or the blacks?]
>>76607335
>>76607283
Memes are a mirror showing reality, lad!
>>76607283
can't believe i just saved that picture...
>>76607391
Jesus christ I don't think I want to come here anymore. What happened?
>>76606916
I'm still an atheist. I don't care about things the same way I once did; I chalk it up to age. I've argued about so many things on the Internet, I've seen so many different things on the Internet, it's all old news to me.
Also, having argued so much with atheists and being censored by them over the many many years, I lost my will to defend atheism in any manner.
>>76607391
screencap?
>>76606916
20/21ish
>>76606931
>>76606975
>>76607488
>>76607472
relax, reddit. this happens from time to time.
>>76607116
read the quran
read the hindu and buddist and sikh texts
>>76607504
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/76551795/
>captcha: street signs
>>76607574
buddy boy, see my dubs here >>76607422, and try and refute me.
I urge you.
Atheism is the ultimate bluepill. Once you start going down the road of the redpill the reality of god just sorta appears naturally.
>>76607283
Never saw someone shitting on a street have seen people going to do it on forests and railway tracks.
>>76607596
Some of you are alright.
Don't go on /pol/ tomorrow
>>76606975
you need to experience that by yourself, try to connect with God and you will see the results. I'm serious. you are an idiot if you need someone else to prove something so intimate as spirituality. Since I became catholic and I started praying, God has provided me with a lot of the things I prayed for. the first times it freaked me out, I didn't know how it was possible that lot of things I prayed for started to in reality. But then I realize a simple thing, God is out there.
>>76607596
Whatever man, I'm glad that doesn't bother you but that is bullshit to me. Fuck this board. Enjoy your sexless alt-right circlejerk and childish edginess, boys.
>>76607620
>>76607678
Ok. Enjoy being a pussy faggot you bitch
>>76606916
18
I grew up as a Christian (Anglican), but never really went to church apart from Easter and Christmas.
During my teens I became an atheist because I mean who doesn't? Who isn't edgy and stupid as a teenager?
Now I believe that there is probably some sort of higher power out there, but that humans would never be able to comprehend it. There is no way that I'm ever buying into modern religion again, worshiping false idols, as that's just kikery at work.
>>76607574
Not even close.
>>76607651
>hurr durr look at all the beauty in the world, bro!
>hurr durr i'm so high ... weed lmao!
>>76607651
>God is out there.
Send him to me, once. would like to meet that faggot. got a few questions.
and stop with all the drugs. they aren't good for your body.
>>76607715
>such facts
>what debate
i concede defeat!
>>76607018
This
I remember it like it was yesterday
>Be me
>9 yo
>Me, my sisters and my mum were driving home from visiting my grandmother
>We convinced our mom to and eat at mc Donalds
>Loved the happy meals
>after eating, back in the car
>suddenly my heart feels like being crushed by a vice
>realise I will die, my mom will die, everyone will die
>I could be a billionaire who looks back at a life most people can only dream of when I die
>but I'll die anyways
>my children and grandchildren will remember me
>within 100 years after my death my grave will probably be gone
>it's like I never lived
>realise there is no god
>no afterlife
>it will be like sleeping without dreaming and I'll never wake up
>mom notices my face
>asks whats wrong
>say "nothing"
>have these thoughts a few times per year
>mostly when lying in bed while unable to fall asleep
>force myself into believing there has to be something
>creation of the universe, earth and humans are just too many coincidences
I'm not religious, nor an atheist
Agnostic fits best for me
I still appreciate Christianity for historic and cultural reasons and support it, unless it's the Pope or other cucks demanding more cuckoldry
>>76606916
30. But the supreme being I came to believe in is not Yahweh. Christianity remains untrue.
>>76607780
>>76606931
This
You either begin as one because there's no influence, or if you're smart enough, you become one.
>>76607651
which of the millions of skydaddies answered your prayers ?
>>76606916
16, acid is my religion now.
>>76606916
Am an atheist, don't give a fuck what other people worship, as long as they don't bother me.
Haven't got a fedora, neckbeard or basement. No katanas either. :( Just a regular person.
I think people should seperate the fedora atheists (who are annoying stuck up fuckheads), with regular old don't care atheists. I hate fedoratheist as much as theists do. Being an atheist doesn't make you more intelligent than someone else, it just means you don't believe in fuck all.
>>76606916
I could never see the appeal of Atheism. The idea that nothing is there, that we are a chance of randomness happening. It doesn't seem right.
Call me a christ-cuck but I have seen my prayers get answered. Not ideally but in a way that gives me peace of mind. That's what important to me.
May our savoir bless and forgive all my fellow posters, and lurkers. May he listen and aid you in your time of need. May he aid the heretics and guide them back to the light that is Jesus Christ.
amen
>>76607911
>>911
>>76607833
Lol spoken like a true Reddit fedora. God you people make me sick.
I was raised a Christian. Became euphoric around age 25 bc I was le enlightened by my own intellect.
Then at 30 I realized that atheists are wrong. They're mostly just depressed, sexless, and hopeless.
Everyone knows God exists. We are born with the innate knowledge of his existence. You can deny it if you want, but we both know the voice of God is in your head.
>>76606916
last night
>>76606916
Atheist at 12, agnostic at 15, Christian again at 20.
>>76607987
Sorry mate, not everyone hears voices in their head.
>>76607678
>this is what reddit actually believes
see you tommorow, cunt
>>76606916
What am I if not an atheist? I don't believe in an almighty cosmic power and I never will.
>>76607780
At this moment you are euphoric..
>>76606916
Don't they behead you there if you abandon the mudslim faith?
>>76607987
>people can only be happy if they worship my magical skydaddy
havent heard that one before
>>76608056
Nice strawman faggot.
>>76608158
Not an argument
>>76608100
>Atheist
>A person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.
Sounds like you're an atheist.
>>76606916
22
I'm still non-theist tou
>>76608161
>the voice of God is in your head.
>>76606916
When a meme is all you have to attack atheism your not in good position
>>76607933
masonic dubs checked.
read about the delayed choice experiment and the electric universe.
We could all just be in a Matrix.
>tfw you know you're not Neo. sucks ass, man.
>>76607911
>911 checked
>>76607987
>depressed
slightly
>sexless
yeah, no.
>hopeless
ok, you got 2/3.
>Everyone knows God exists.
>>76608145
>le popular meme
>Hurr Durr God does exits.
But where is he? why doesn't he show up? at least give us a warning to straighten ourselves.
If he loves us, why does he want to keep committing crime?
If he hates, why allowing us to breed and make more criminals and sinners?
If he wants us to improve ourselves, why not teach us from the very beginning? what is he waiting for?
If he wants us to find our way ourselves, then how can you say he loves and wants the best for us?
Final -
Why in the fucking fuck did all this start anyway?
If we come from him, what as the need of even coming here? why didn't we just stay their with him all pure and innocent and sin-less?
>>76606916
I immediately grew out of atheism right when atheists started being made fun of with fedora images. Couldn't handle the bantz :(
I'm full christ-cuck until that starts being out of fashion.
>>76608246
not an argument
>>76608319
like that one time some sandnigger talked to a burning bush. totally normal behaviour
>>76608265
Or maybe I'm just ... Nothing? I don't even think about it.
Atheism, theism, agnosticism all memes but you can't live a life without having some core beliefs.
>>76608340
>, why does he want to keep committing crime?
why does he want US* to keep committing crime?
Why keep us sinful?
I'm not against the idea of God. i'd be relieved if anything. but i see no good argument for why the things are the way they are and must involve God.
>>76607731
>Who isn't edgy and stupid as a teenager?
>Implying being a rational thinker is either edgy or stupid
The worst part is that retards on this board read posts such as yours and take them seriously. Every now and then you'll see people claiming that they're converting to Christianity and have "grown" out of atheism and degeneracy, and are attending a Catholic Church. There is literally nothing wrong with being an atheist, but there is everything wrong with believing any of the shit that happens in the Bible.
And if you don't believe in miracles despite being a theist (or, perhaps more accurately, a deist) you can shut the fuck up about atheists. It's asinine to call atheists stupid while ignoring the absurd beliefs of Christians and other religions, and then take an pseudo-intellectual compromise between the two.
>>76608471
True, just the simple pragmatic things such as functioning with other people and preventing conflict. That's whats really important
>>76608336
How about the fact that atheist make fun of the fact that people believe in God because its unprovable and then turn around and believe in a multiverse which scientist admit is unprovable
Atheism is the religion of smugness. It's just used by people who need something to try and make themselves feel superior to others to make up for all their shortcomings in life. You want to be agnostic fine but atheist are fucking morons.
>>76607987
>Everyone knows God exists
>This is what Americans actually believe
>>76608803
>then turn around and believe in
see >>76608265
An atheist is literally just someone who lacks belief in God, that's it.
>>76607831
kek devourer
>>76608768
Yes, it's said that there's "world ethos" underlying every religion or more or less organized belief system.
It sounds globalistic and cheap but I think we should work on it
>>76608803
Each is fixated in their own tunnel vision. The atheists are fixated in the "empirical knowledge" and wont accept anything outside of it, religious people tend to be fixated in the dogma, other believers might consider "religious experiences" as the highest value and tend to disregard the crude reality
I think we all need to take a step back
What's the word for someone who's apathetic to whether an omnipotent deity exists or not?
>>76608319
It is. Just like Ahmad's dick is in your wife.
>>76608803
Maybe in America people who are attracted to atheism are eccentric outcasts.. Here in scandinavia its pretty much normal. Around 80% of the populations don't think religion is important to their lives.
>How about the fact that atheist make fun of the fact that people believe in God
"Atheist" don't make fun of people who believe in god, just immature shitheads who wants to feel higher than other. Just the same way some people tell themselves "god is on my side, you will burn in hell hur dur"
Also if you want anyone to take you seriously you should drop the meme and look objectively at it.
>>76606916
I have lost my faith after liberal government
They were literally raping culture, traditions, social ties and nothing could be done. They were also more effective in mundane things.
>>76606916
Around 20 when I realized I was a cringy edgelord faggot - not unlike this guy >>76606931 - who thought The God Delusion was the ultimate weapon against theistic argumentation.
>>76609163
The "World ethos" could be ingrained in us from evolution because as social animals it is beneficial for our survival to work together and religion has adapted common sense morals as their principals.
>worshiping a jew
>>76609247
Apatheist
>>76609622
Wow, didn't know that was a thing too
Thanks m8
>be agnostic
>read Greek Stoicism
>read Ecclesiastes
>read a bunch of shit about chaos theory and determinism
>become pantheist
Perhaps you wouldn't reject the idea of a god if you had a different, more mature conception of god than "anthropomorphic father figure."
Grow out of atheism and into some abstract spiritualism where your consciousness persists after death, that's where its at. I truly want to believe that after I die I'll become some sentient cloud of energy that contains the knowledge and experience of every life I've had and that I simply choose to reincarnate as a fresh new human each go around to expand my knowledge. I want to be an immortal being that just becomes greater and greater with each mortal experience I live through.
Since the dawn of mankind, I've probably lived thousands of lives. Sometimes as a man, sometimes as a woman, sometimes dying young, and other times living peacefully to old age.
>>76608534
all the questions you are asking is nothing new. These have been debated time and time again by Christian apologists and atheists alike. If you actually looked for the answers, I don't think you would be asking questions five year olds would ask.
>>76609833
Isn't that more or less reincarnation?
>>76609833
how did you get purple?
>>76609737
>Perhaps you wouldn't reject the idea of a god if you had a different, more mature conception of god than "anthropomorphic father figure."
Absolutely agreed
>>76609719
this could be the next stage that i'll go to.
Meanwhile, still searching for answers,and not believing anything blindly until i find the.
>>76609848
>five year olds would ask.
so, care to answer a few of them?
just tl;dr that shit.
>>76606916
23. This is the prime age for spiritual awareness. By 26 I realized new age everything outside of Sahaja Yoga is devil worship.
>>76609951
that's the stage im currently in man
the existence of an all powerful deity that watches over us is not relevant to my day to day life. if god really does exist, then great. if he doesn't exist, that's okay too
im fine by either one of the outcomes because whatever it may be, it will have little effect on my life 2bh
>>76607678
Is was probably site maintenance you cunt.
>>76609951
Just perform past life regression. And make sure you instruct spirits that don't have your best interests at heart to leave before you request healing. Boom. Now you feel like you're high on mushrooms and you get paid a visit by the naked people of the other dimension who will tell you that you came to Earth just to feel human pain and negativity cause you've never experienced it before.
>>76610188
yeah, it happened a few weeks ago too and everytime you have people going all bonkers about it and posting happening threads thinking that the CIA tried to shut down /pol/ or something
for fuck's sake
>>76606916
Religion is bullshit
>>76609833
The only thing I would say is you haven't lived thousands of lives you've lived literally every single human life for we are all one entity
>>76609951
>But where is he? why doesn't he show up? at least give us a warning to straighten ourselves.
The Christian would say that Jesus is God. So he actually did show up at one point. The Bible also mentions that the world itself is proof of the "Creator." Here, you have seemingly three choices. 1. God created the universe. 2. The universe came from nothing". 3. The universe is eternal, which is largely rejected by most physicists today. Or you can just say I don't know.
>If he loves us, why does he want to keep committing crime?
If he hates, why allowing us to breed and make more criminals and sinners?
If he wants us to improve ourselves, why not teach us from the very beginning? what is he waiting for?
If he wants us to find our way ourselves, then how can you say he loves and wants the best for us?
This is largely a question of free will. If God stops you every time from sinning, are you actually acting freely? This kind of existence is not very "human" at all isn't it? But again, you have to accept that free will exists in the first place.
20
>>76607001
This desu
>>76607999
PRAISE KEK HOLY FUCC
>>76610602
>>76607001
yeah, claiming to "know" either way without proof takes a bit too much faith for my bad self. I feel alright saying I have no idea.
>>76609951
>If he loves us, why does he want us to keep committing crime?
That's the point, he doesn't. Humans still have free will, he just wants us to choose to follow him. All of the fuckups in the world are our fault and ours alone.
>>76610602
"Agnostic" is just a meme word regular atheists use to differentiate themselves from fedora dawkins atheists.
>>76610268
i'm glad your flag checks out, Weed-Man!
>>76610500
noughty dubs checked.
> he actually did show up at one point
not to me.
so i you'd forgive me i refuse to believe and worship someone who wouldn't meet me once.
>Or you can just say I don't know.
back to square 1, damnit!
>free will.
why even give us free will in the first place? I'm sure the all-knowing old-man knew before hand that given free-will we'd be sinning up all over the universe.
in fact, why even create us in the first place? what purpose does that solve that an all-knowing god couldn't do himself?
Are we just a reality TV show for him? Ethereal Hunger games or some shit.
>you have to accept that free will exists in the first place.
that I do!
in fact, that is why i come to the conclusion that if my actions mattered, someone would actually come and stop me. [no, humans aren't enough as i can go all shoah on their ass, if i want to.]
If angels can show up and talk to pedophiles, why not me?
>>76610812
>he doesn't
then he doesn't love us or care about us. i refuse to worship such being.
>he just wants us to choose to follow him
take our free will, force to follow him blindly like robots. boom. no need for world wars and 2 month old kids dying of hunger. boom [or lack there\of].
>All of the fuckups in the world are our fault and ours alone.
hey, i distinctly remember to never have asked to be born here on this plane / planet. Not my fault at all, bro.
>Hitler dindu nuffin wrong!
Questions shall always remain!
>>76606916
15, once I discovered the books of our St. Nikolaj Zicki, and understood that the decline of our world today is to be completely blamed on the loss of religion, since it made a loophole for the Jews . Volountarily got baptized the same year
>>76606931
This
Fuck you religionists
>>76606916
3 years ago i starte believing in fairies that follow me and take care of me.
fuck you i have very stressfull life.
>>76610997
420 blaze it across the universe
In all seriousness tho, new age is devil worship
>>76610997
If you believe in things such as spirit, you will meet God one day if you search for Him. Also, note that when Jesus preached and performed "miracles" in Galilee, there were still people that refused to believe.
>back to square 1, damnit!
while the "i don't know" stance is more modest, it is a little dishonest in that it does not answer the implications of a finite universe. This is because there are only two options. Something comes from nothing or something comes from something. And for a finite chain of things coming into existence, there must be some eternal infinite thing that creates the finite.
>why even give us free will in the first place?
Can a God be loving if he denies us free will? Is it loving to force us to follow and worship Him?
>>76607176
Kek
>>76610997
You worry too much about misfortunes in this world being God's fault. Nothing here matters other than faith. The rest is just distracting semantics. This world is supposed to be shit. We are perfect beings, bored of perfection, so we come here to experience retardation.
>Atheism
Kek
>Christianity
Double kek
I'll show you the way.
We are silly demons that only want to go to hell to live with Satan and do demonic sexual things, we only care about condemning ourselves and don't listen to reason, science, or saving souls.
And we enter the family by saying: Save me Satan.
We intend to enjoy hell.
Because Satan is the bad guy and totally not the saviour. This is a notion hard to understand when a devil is in the equation.
And yes, since we are silly demons, we know only Satan, not a variation or the name or an alleged synonym.
>>76611506
>force us to worship him
as much as forcing us to eat and breath is. why a loving god would do that?
>>76611733
>as much as forcing us to eat and breath is
That's a false dichotomy. And in a more facetious light, technically you can stop eating and breathing.
>>76611639
And remember, eternal fire is assured for a son of Satan, become his son and forget about what they may try.
>>76611884
yeah, by dying. but if we want to live, we have to eat and breath. why can't we forced to love her as well, if loving her is so great?
>>76611387
>devil worship
ah man, but do Devil and God actually exist?
>>76611506
>for a finite chain of things coming into existence, there must be some eternal infinite thing that creates the finite.
Could be processor running the Matrix. God could just be a software engineer, or a pajeet-tier code monkey [i mean, look at all that copy-pasted code, man. literally all life has 1 head and 4 limbs, sheesh.]
>God be loving if he denies us free will?
take a step back and wonder why a God wants to create us?
that will lead us to being created, which leads to whether we deserve free will in the first place.
My question, What prompted Gd to create us in the first place?
what was his thought process?
>"aah let's see, loneliness is suicide-tier, So, how about I create some funny monkeys to act like my personal TV series of survivor, yeah that'll Be fun." "FOR ME! hehehHAHAHA!!!"
i see no reason for us to exist in the first place.
>>76611629
>We are perfect beings, bored of perfection, so we come here to experience retardation.
fuck, you must be smoking quality weed, that does make sense.
>>76606974
That's clearly a misuse of getting most rights and freedom for the first time in your life.
>>76612084
Who knows if there is God and devil. Or if angels and demons are even different other than their intents. But there are good and bad spirits. A plethora of them. I just say Devil to mean all of the spirits that represent what he does.
>>76606916
>At what age did you grew out of atheism?
Really growing out of atheism is impossible.
> “Growing out of atheism”
> Start worshipping one god
> Stay atheistic with respect to every other fucking god out there
> True believer
Tell me why you don't believe in some other god, and that is the reason I don't believe in yours.
>>76612279
>But there are good and bad spirits. A plethora of them.
you mean, Agents of the Matrix?
>tfw the twins scared me shitless back when i first saw the movie, but i was 11 so fuck off.
>>76612084
>Could be processor running the Matrix
Is this theory any less supernatural than a christian worldview? In any case, aren't you still presupposing the existence of a creator?
>take a step back and wonder why a God wants to create us?
I don't think anyone knows the answer to this one. Your guess is as good as mine, although this has no bearing on the possibility of "forced or unwilling love."
>>76612038
>yeah, by dying
That is still a choice though.
If God is a loving God, can he force us to love him?
>>76606916
>At what age you stoped being rationalist?
I didnt
>>76608803
> […] and then turn around and believe in a multiverse which scientist admit is unprovable
Which multiverse theory are you talking about? Just the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics, or some actual hypothesis based on something else based on string theory or similiar?
>>76606916
-0.8
>>76612468
what if you take the 'all gods are real, but only the god you warship will take care of you'? than you don't think the rest of the gods aren't real.
>>76612600
as i said, same way she forces us to eat- by killing us should we fail. that is still our choice no?
>>76612725
>what if you take the 'all gods are real
If what they say wouldn't contradict each other, there would be peace between religions.
>>76612725
>killing us should we fail
Except you do get killed if you fail.
"that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him." John 3:15
>>76606916
not a country.
>be 16
>atheist
>Catholic mom
>"mom im an atheist"
>"just a teenager thing, it will pass soon"
>still atheist
>mom gifts me a fedora for xmas
>>76612600
>presupposing the existence of a creator?
Yes, i am, and i think it is much better than lighting candles and diyas or waving your ass in the air 5 times a day.
Gives me ample time to do other shit and not worry about karma and other un-explainable coincidences.
If anything happens, i chalk up to being a part of my tasks-to-perform-by-this-program list [or otherwise knows as destiny].
>tfw Wake up, Neo! The Matrix has you!!!! REEEEEEE!!!
>this has no bearing on the possibility of "forced or unwilling love."
well, it does.
He creates us - either as laves, or just an experiment to see what we do. just because.
if he loved us, he'd care what we ended up doing.
if we are just an experiment to be discarded later on, he doesn't love us. and hence, no need to love and worship him 10 times a day.
>>76612813
in ancient times, if nations won against other nations they would contribute it to their gods being stronger.
>>76612832
>Except you do get killed if you fail.
so there are no atheists alive, and we all just trolling?
>>76612974
>your mom surfs 4chan
time to move to a new house.
>>76613034
Fate exist, its called 'the law of cause and effect'
>>76613034
I'm wondering that this might be bait now.
At least in the Christian worldview, God is loving, as such, a forced love, is an impossibility.
>if he loved us, he'd care what we ended up doing.
I'm getting the feeling that your inclination to disbelieve in God is not a rational one but an emotional one.
>so there are no atheists alive, and we all just trolling?
>>76613127
>so there are no atheists alive, and we all just trolling?
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16
Note the word perish.
>>76613338
>the pope is immortal
funny, you would expect some popes to live past 200
>>76606916
Let me put it to you this way,
Even if I am the last Atheist in America.
Even if I am on my death bed and have a terminal illness.
Even if they find Jesus Christ skull or something.
I will still be an atheist, because that's the only empirically reasonable position to take.
(Jesus skull wouldn't prove God is real just that an ancient Jewish socialist was real.)
Every kind of theism requires 100 different "leaps of faith" Literally every page of scripture and every commandment requires it's own "leap of faith"
>>76613338
>in the Christian worldview, God is loving, as such, a forced love, is an impossibility.
and that is where my questions actually come from.
In Geeta, the God literally says, "hey, you are stuck here, mate, you gotta do what you gotta do to get out. no chickeing out or anything,okay? Peace out, senpai! I'll see you on he other side"
meaning, Hitler literally dindu nuffin wrong, but all what was necessary for him to do at that time.
The christian god, however, pretends to love you like his own real son, yet let's your 2 month old kid starve to death because guess what, your mistake for being born in the deserts of africa, sucker!
i wish i had the time to explain what i'm trying to say here.
> an emotional one.
hahaha, not at all.
let me just say, that i have a feeling something ever-powerful might just exist. probably does.
i'm just trying to find proof.
by acting like a troll, i'm hoping, some of the smarter ones among you guys might give me the answers, or the tools to uncover the truth at least.
any discussion is better than no discussion.
It also gives my mind the necessary exercise to may be stumble upon better answers.
i would still like if carried on trying to decipher this shit.
>>76613706
>Jesus Christ skull or something.
he or his father didn't talk to me.
if they didn't care for me, why should i worship them? check mate theists!
>>76613586
When did I ever mention that the pope is immortal? I'm not sure if you are deliberately misinterpreting my quote or not, but clearly it was referring to the death of the spirit.
>>76613804
>The christian god, however, pretends to love you like his own real son, yet let's your 2 month old kid starve to death because guess what, your mistake for being born in the deserts of africa, sucker!
So your issue with a loving God, is why suffering is allowed the world? Again, this goes back to the problem of free will.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXtDLffAg5o
This video is a bit long, but it may answer some questions that you have regarding free will and suffering.
most of /pol/ dismisses atheism as edgy for the simple fact that there are far too many of them that continue to lick Dawkins' sack and that tend towards regressive leftism. Stereotypes exist for a reason.
I am an atheist myself, but i almost (almost) envy religious people the mental and spiritual security that their faith brings. Ultimately, I do believe that religion stifles curiosity and creativity, but I will not try and shit on anyone who has religious beliefs unless those beliefs are actively harmful to themselves or others.
>>76614148
well, why can't god create us so our BODY will die if we ever stop loving her? (same with food and breathing, if you talk about forcing.)
>>76614391
Death of the flesh in only temporary death. Death of the spirit seems to be eternal. If we were to die the moment we have any doubt, I think everyone would be dead by tomorrow.
>>76607987
Calls someone a reddit fedora.
Quotes one of the most famous reddit memes.
>>76614148
> free will.
well, even if we are circling in circles.
that free will must have a reasoning behind it. How did God justify giving his lesser creations free will?
Yes, we may never know. we might never have the neurological abilities to ever decipher it. but still, i'd like to ponder over it.
I justify it as God being alone and bored. creates pure-energy angels "in his image".
"in his image" meaning his free will also is inherited to them.
then all pure energy being were bored.
God creates matter out of energy [galaxies and shiet].
they are bored of it pretty soon as well.
God creats a fusion of matter and energy - life. single-celled to blue whale. earth and everywhere else in the universe, aliens and shiet.
Amgels want to experience "life"
god says no to the fruit!
angels do it behind his back.
God throws them out of his home, aka heaven.
fallen angels try to take control of other natural-born life and their "souls" [here soul is pure energy]
and now we are here - talking about a conspiracy by he kikes to literally bring in a anti0christ and what not.
wait, we are talking about God here.
>video
>Ravi
fucking pajeets are taking over literally everything now, damnit.
i'll look at the video later then. thanks.
>>76614545
>changing the topic
oh no you don't.
why can't god force us to love? it wouldn't be an act of evil, same way forcing us to eat isn't.
>>76606975
Read the Tom Campbell's book https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwvImf92XiA
>>76606916
I didn't grow out of atheism. I just grew out of the "muh evil christianity" phase. I just hate Islam now.
>>76614858
>same way forcing us to eat isn't.
>eat
he sure did make it a necessity though.
how... kikey of him!
wait, isn't love something that makes us enjoy our life in a better way?
hmm.
>>76615020
>here my book proves God is real.
>Geets, Bible, Quran.
But sure, i'll take a look at.
Better things have been answered by more obscure books and written works.
>>76606916
As soon as my puberty blew over.
>>76615178
make it more enjoyable != forces us
all people must eat or die.
why cant all people love or die?
>>76614843
> How did God justify giving his lesser creations free will?
Think about this for a little bit. Is it possible to love without free will? Without free will, are we responsible for any of our actions?
Who knows maybe your theory may turn out to be correct and I hope you find what your are looking for.
>>76614858
>changing the topic
How did I change the topic. I said "If we were to die the moment we have any doubt, I think everyone would be dead by tomorrow." Your proposition is absurd. If we were to die as soon as we stop loving God or disbelieving God, then all of us will die by the time we reach our teens.
>why can't god force us to love?
Think about this very carefully.
FORCE TO LOVE.
Is it possible for me to force you to love me? Love by its very definition must be an act of free will.
>>76610639
Koňský pysk tu radšej nepostuj, dostal som z neho rakovinu
I feel like I know too much about the historical origins and factual flaws of religion to ever put my faith in a God.
If I was born in an earlier time without access to easy knowledge I probably would've been religious. It's no coincidence religion is dying in Europe. Religion is an illusion to keep people locked in poverty.
>>76615340
>Is it possible for me to force you to love me?
are you god? she can do everything. she can make it so that beings that do not love do not live. its a matter of choice- people still can decide to stop loving and die, so it isn't really forcing. (like that people can choose not to eat and die)
>>76615490
god!=religion
>>76606916
as soon i learned there was a disparaging meme associated with atheism. i didnt change my beliefs or anything, but who wants to be a cringy fedroa wearing autist am i right?
>>76615562
gj, first theists who learned of this meme invented agnotism and many others joined in because no one wants to be memed.
>>76615340
>Is it possible to love without free will? Without free will, are we responsible for any of our actions?
exactly.
by my question was, why did God need to make us in the first place - everything else is just a progression of older bullshit.
i think the best justification i have come up is this >>76614843
and if it didn't happen this way, then i am back to square one of WHY DID GOD MAKE US?
>Is it possible for me to force you to love me?
haha, but we do already love you, anon. xoxo, lol.
>>76615507
>are you god? she
>SHE
>flag
EVERY FUCKING TIME!
pure-energy God does not ave any gender! "He" is just for us lesser people to talk about the creator!
>being a brainwashed, militant atheist
>not being an agnostic
come on /pol/, get something right for once
>>76615507
Your definition of omnipotence is also absurd. God, by his nature, is logical, such that logical contradictions are impossible. Forcing someone to love is like saying, that a square circle exists.
>>76615746
I already said that I don't know. But "why did God make us," to me anyways, is not very important in the context of free will and suffering. It is possible to reconcile the suffering of the world and a loving God without directly answering the question of why.
>>76615819
>fence sitting: the religion
>>76615942
>god is logical
So if i find a logical fallacy in the definition of god would you admit she doesn't exist?
>>76606931
And this, my friend, is why your country is royally cucked. Enjoy the rapefugees!
>>76616137
sure, go for it.
>>76616052
>giving a shit about religion, either for or against
>2016
ishygddt
>>76612471
Why did he make us? For fun. All time and the entire universe exists in one instance spiritually, and all of it is a game.
If you were an immortal soul living in a plane of perfection, wouldn't you want to try something else now and then? Why not try living as a human who often forget who they truly are and experience human things like concepts of property and morality and pain?
It's something to do, instead of continuing to exist infinitely across all of reality.
>>76615942
>I already said that I don't know.
yeah no i know.
i was only continuing the discussion to make my brain work.
> But "why did God make us," to me anyways, is not very important in the context of free will and suffering.
ok, good.
But to me knowing WHY will make me not regret doing or not doing things.
I don't know, i've always been like this, i just have to know the WHY [and all other W's as well]
>It is possible to reconcile the suffering of the world and a loving God without directly answering the question of why.
You are lucky if you can do this.
I, unfortunately, have gone through countless sleepless nights pondering, "WHY?!"
Oh, if i just knew.
>>76616137
this'll be interesting.
>>76616238
>For fun
> all of it is a game.
>the rest
so basically this >>76614843 ?
well, weed-bro, that's as good an answer as any.
thanks, live long and prosper and may the force be with you.
When I realized that women who go to church are god tier
>>76616180
>>76616247
if everything needs a creator, what created god?
>>76616448
Await the special pleading.
>>76616494
it's ok, im going for total logical fallacy. this is just the set up.
>>76616359
It's not just God who's bored, but us too. He didn't force us to come here, he asked if we wanted to. We have free will cause we have had it this entire time.
Reincarnation is probably just like us saying "well that was neat let's do it again!"
>>76616247
>But to me knowing WHY will make me not regret doing or not doing things.
We may not not why God created us, but we do know what He wants us to do? From this line of thinking, we can also begin to understand what actions may cause us regret.
>have gone through countless sleepless nights pondering, "WHY?!
Hopefully, you will watch the video I posted. It gives a much more detailed and eloquent answer that what I have provided. I think the video will give you a better understanding of what I am trying to say.
>>76616494
>if everything needs a creator
only things that began to exist requires a creator or "cause".
God is eternal by definition, so he does not begin to exist, meaning that He was not created.
>>76616448
hmm.
if there is no need for a creator, where did we come from?
are we even real?
are my eyes even real?
i'm just looking for the truth. doesn't matter what side i end up on.
carry on, chaim!
>>76616617
again, the exact conclusion i've come up to in >>76614843 [angels are bored, so god creates a matter-energy hybrid called "living being"]
i like you.
you know shiet.
i think i need the number of your weed supplier.
>>76616494
didn't mean to reply to you.
>>76616448
refer to this >>76616775
>>76616448
The Jews
>>76616775
>god is eternal
do you know what 'entropy' is?
>>76616840
i meant things can exist without being created, only formed.
>>76616775
>but we do know what He wants us to do? From this line of thinking, we can also begin to understand what actions may cause us regret.
basically, "hey, we are here, no point in doing anything fishy, IN CASE God, Devil, heaven and hell turn out ot be reality."
as valid a point as any.
so, the satan worshiping elite are wrong, eh? good to know.
>you will watch the video
yeah, i have it book marked.
i have an exam in less than 20 hours but after that, i'm free to watch it.
that reminds me, i should be studying.
>>76606916
OP you'll never grow out of your autism
>>76617087
Last time I heard of it was when I was studying statistical thermodynamics and stochastic molecular modeling years ago. The existence of God is much more philosophical than it is scientific anyway. Please enlighten me
>>76617138
>hey, we are here, no point in doing anything fishy, IN CASE God, Devil, heaven and hell turn out ot be reality."
well, it's a bit more complicated than that. But unless you believe that God exists, everything ends up being a wager.
Also, good luck with your exam. There's a saying here, "As long as math exams exists, there will always be praying in schools."
>God exists.
>>76617484
>it's philosophical
so it only exists as long as people who think about it exist?
in that case, it couldn't have existed before life created it. but god created life. so which come first. QED
>no, god is a philosphical entity that exists without needing people to think of it
(that's a fallacy in itself)
(QED)
>>76617723
I think you are misunderstanding me. When I say that God existence is a philosophical question, I am saying that, it seems to be impossible to empirically verify the existence of God. So if you were to believe that knowledge can only come from empiricism, than we are arguing on different planes. If you meant to use entropy in this discussion in a metaphysical context rather than an empirical one, then please continue.
>>76606916
>my one religion is the real one out of the thousands on earth because... well... it was my parents........... so it must be real.......
>>76617484
>everything ends up being a wager.
and THAT is why my need knowing the answer to all the W's
>Also, good luck with your exam.
Thanks a lot, man.
>"As long as math exams exists, there will always be praying in schools."
yep, i bet this is a universal saying.
i bet some andromedan alien kids are shitting their pants in anticipation of their math exam results.
>Fiction novel IDEA!!!!!
>God sxists
oh, you. lol.
>we pray, therefore God exists
>i think, therefore i am
fucking Descartes, eh?
so, all in all, assuming that God exists is the safest route possible.
even if it turns some Richard Stallman-esqu comp-whiz invented the veri first AI and we are all but a small part of that.
i really do love that Keanu Reaves movie, the Matrix! i hope that is the truth.
I'd rather worship Neo. lol.
>>76607819
>not embracing your fear of death
>not overcoming it through accepting it
That's why you are weak, kraut.
>>76618026
I'm only following your lead.
every thought is electricity running in neurons. thoughts and ideas CAN be varified, even if those are no more than thoughts, and god is more than that isn't it? or are you saying god is the ONLY thing in the universe which has absolutly no physical imprint (when she doesn't want to ofc)?
>>76618426
>she
could you not please? It's triggering me.
>that flag though
or maybe kikes know something the goyim don't?
>female satan
damn.
How can you prove God's gender?
>>76618136
>and THAT is why my need knowing the answer to all the W's
In that case, perhaps it is more helpful to first understand the argument for a theistic God. Common arguments are quinque viae, Kalam Cosmological arguments, and fine-tuning argument. If you accept these arguments and conclude that a God (not necessarily a Christian one) exists, then you will be able to transition to a Christian one. Note that the arguments above have implications that contradict claims of certain religions. The transition to a Christian God have many different ways. Popular ones are the moral law arguments and others too that I am not very familiar with.
Anyways, keep searching for truth and yes, maybe Neo is the one (not).
>>76618610
>could you not please? It's triggering me.
ok.
PRAISE YESHUA THE SANDNIGGER JEW
I'M TRULY LE REDPILLED XD
GAYTHEISTS BTFO
*tips yarmulke*
>>76606916
It began in my mid-twenties. Overcoming my atheistic conditioning took a decade and suffering I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy.
When I was 35, I was finally able to turn to God.
>>76618426
Well, argument goes a lot further than just God. It seems that you only believe in the empirical. The question you must ask then is: is time, matter, and chance the only things that exist in this universe? To accept this claim, you must believe that all metaphysics is nonexistent (These include objective morality, free will, and a whole slew of other stuff. )
>>76607819
>it will be like sleeping without dreaming and I'll never wake up
It's not so bad, you were doing it before you were born.
>>76618645
>Christian god
again, for a Christian God, whatever i wrote about "pure-energy angels getting bored, forcing god to create matter-energy life" has to be true.
I guess, we'll see what comes of it.
>keep searching for truth
yeah, sure, bro. that's what i've basically dedicated my life to.
thanks for taking part in this discussion.
May be we'll do this again.
my last exam is on 22nd june. i'd be looking for you on 23rd. bye till then. need to study some now.
>yes, maybe Neo is the one (not).
haha, but wouldn't that be something!
>>76618694
you ignored the rest of my post.
>seriously freaked out the jews know something about the creator God we don't
I WANT TO KNOW! please?
>>76618903
>is time, matter, and chance
theres also energy, and yes
>objective morality
not a thing
>free will
depends on what you call free will
>and a whole slew of other stuff
like what?
>>76607999
+ nice trips mate
>>76619112
>like what?
Anything that is immeasurable in terms time, matter, energy, or any combinations of them
>>76618903
ideas have existance, i said so right? i deas and concepts exists as thouhgts. objective morality and math exists in the same way, as does the illusion of free will. are you the one which in one of the previous threads, tried to argue that objective morality doesn't exist without god? in which case, you haven't finished answering my claims about how objective morality is about what's good for everyone in the big picture.
anyway, if you really think we cant go on without me agreeing some stuff just don't have physical imprint-
>I can prove god exist, butt you have to believe in things that do not abide to science are logicly possible in order for me to do so
QED
>>76619101
chill man, i did it to trigger theistfags. if you want to believe satan is a girl, go for it.
>>76618975
although those billions of years passed instantaneously (since there was no you to be conscious of the passage of time).
>>76619622
yeah so basically consciousness wich i admit we definitely dont fully understand yet, but that will happen someday
>>76619636
>are you the one which in one of the previous threads, tried to argue that objective morality doesn't exist without god?
different guy, though I would be willing to defend this position before the thread dies.
>ideas have existance, i said so right?
then you are no longer holding a naturalistic view point, implying that it is possible for the supernatural to exist
>objective morality is about what's good for everyone in the big picture
Prove that this isn't a subjective statement. Does your claim have any more merit than Hitler's morality?
>>76619636
>if you want to believe satan is a girl, go for it.
okay, but is she hot?
:-D
>tfw man - destroyed by women.
>as was expected.
man, this thread ain't auto-saging quick enough.
This thread was good in stimulating my brain, though.
thanks to Pakistani Bro for making this thread, whatever his intentions might have been.
>>76619952
>but is she hot?
She's hot as hell.
>>76619949
ideas exist as neurons in the brain. phyiscal existance.
the problem is not doing what is right, the problem is telling whats benefical and whats harmful. hitler was an idiot, he meant good - his evil lies in his stupidity, in confusing good and evil. his stupidity is also why he failed.
Stupidity is the source of all evil, which is why evil will always fail in the end.
>>76619764
>but that will happen someday
a lot of faith you have there
>>76606916
Not all Atheists are fedora wearing neckbeards. Atheism is not a phase, you don't grow out of it. Whatever evidence supporting a god you find is what makes you change your mind.
Everyone has their own beliefs, and as long as you aren't out beheading people, nobody should give a fuck what you believe in. So, speaking for every respectable Atheist, grow up.
>>76620247
>ideas exist as neurons in the brain
Except they don't, at least within the definition of existence used in the context of the previous posts.
>whats benefical and whats harmful
under what criteria, can you say that this is objective. The whole moral law argument is that an frame of reference (God) is needed to justify objectivity.
>>76619636
free will is inconceivable as the fact that existence exists, but just as real.
existence, consciousness, free will, the soul, God, etc.: these transcend thought and the physical universe (which are, after all, only appearances in your consciousness).
the transcendental (God) is real and responsible for the existence of everything. the mistake of atheists is to depersonalize it, and conceive of it as something blind, indifferent, mechanical.
>>76620252
>a lot of faith you have there
and why wouldnt i? our knowlege of the brain isnt even comparable to things we knew a 100 years ago and if the progress continius (and i dont see a reason for why it couldnt) then we will figure out the brain sooner or later
>that picture
sure vuddy, da joos control everything, i guess these jews arent very smart if they somehow managed to fuck themselves with the atheist thing. do you really think that atheist who were jews dont exist?
>>76620247
>evil will always fail in the end
Evil in my country is flourishing, what's more it is euphoric and very sure of itself.
Can lies be good?
>>76621058
I hope we learn more about the brain too. I'm just noting that your faith in science, shows that you have faith that the universe is rationally intelligible, which science has give no reason as to why it should be this way.
/pol/ super newfag here. Are the people hating on atheists for real? I saw this thread earlier today when it had no replies and though 'wow, what a weak bait' but some people here seem to be serious ...
>>76620632
languege and ideas exists as coleteral thoughts.
if its benefical to humanity, to sociaty it is good. saying that you need god to say whats good and whats evil is whats wrong.
>>76620977
read again, not free will but the illusion of free will.
existance is phyiscal.
consciousness and soul are marely your thoughts, which exists.
god doesn't exist.
>>76621106
your country is stupid (evil) and in the process of killing itself. when the smoke dies down the better ones will be the one tto survive and begin anew; your country will be better than, hold on... tough if you are on the side of stupidity (evil) you will also die in the currents.
>>76621648
/pol/ doesn't hate honest skeptics/atheists. /pol/ hates people who subscribe to atheism because schools and social pressure convince them that religion is stupid and delusional, and not out of any rationalization of their own,
>>76621765
If you are going to use existence this way, you can say that an idea of everything exists ,but the things themselves do not. This is in a similar vein of argument that descartes used.
>if its benefical to humanity, to sociaty it is good.
Prove this. Also, what is beneficial to society is also largely subjective. Look at gay marriage, transgender practices, and eugenics. These are largely controversial as to whether they benefit society or not, at least in a godless society.
>>76621903
So is also Russia evil? They still exist.
I try not to take sides, both are suicidal.
>>76621421
>I'm just noting that your faith in science, shows that you have faith that the universe is rationally intelligible
the fuck are you talking about? how does humanities progress in science hint at anything else than humanities progress in sicence?
>>76606916
You grew up, when parents pour out acid on your face?
>>76622243
You have faith in science, namely that science can gather information on the universe because it is rationally intelligible. Hence, why any progress can be made at all.
>>76622383
>namely that science can gather information on the universe
awit so thats what youre talking about? then why did you say thta science hasnt shown a reason to why it should be this way? the universe exists, we can observe it and we can gather information on our observations if we want to what does that have to do with anything?
>>76622159
...in which case only the idea exists, and only as idea.
>prove this
prove that god is whats good in the first place. perhaps god is good by definition, but good is what benefical in definition. so when god isn't benefical to sociaty it stops being good, thuse stop existing. but i already disproved him so focus on the main topic (even if you can't prove something empericly it doesn't mean it isn't real)
>>76622184
the warmongers will kill each other. hold on.
>>76607335
>>76607422
>>76607639
In which cities/regions do you live? Are there more "modern" cities where people don't shit so often?
>>76616142
Yeah that has a lot to do with refugees.
Actually, dumbass britbong, Christians are far more likely to support bringing in tons of refugees because muh Jesus and muh mercy and compassion. I here it from Christians here on a daily basis as I argue with them. They're just like the Liberals except they excuse their idiocy via Jesus.
Theists are the dumbest motherfuckers on Earth.
>>76606916
never got into it because it's a concept that is incredibly repulsive to me.
>>76606916
At the time when I saw a picture of a fat man touching a very specific kind of hat with two fingers. Then I cried and immediately believed.
