How old were you when you grew out of libertarianism?
>>76583335
I agree with pic but yesterday I did.
I never grew into it because I'm not a retard
>>76583335
>having a lolbertarian phase
>>76583471
I think it's an American thing. Aspie-types tend to come across Ayn Rand or some shit sometime in their mid to late teens, then have a 5 to 10 year sperg period where they think FUCKIGN STATISM is the root of all evil. Or, at least I did.
What's wrong with hunting puppies you paid for in a forest you own?
>>76583631
Note that after a few months I knew Ayn Rand was retarded, but for some time I maintained ideas centered around small government as a virtue.
>>76583335
Why use the state to solve social and cultural problems? At the end of the day, you end up leaving someone dissatified when you could have (as in OP's pic) prevented the issue in the first place with better parenting and environment.
>>76583766
Because then in order to have a functioning society you're depending on everyone else to voluntarily be better parents or produce better environments. Never going to happen.
>>76583631
It must be. I've never personally known any Australian who has described themselves as a libertarian
>>76583631
Yeah libertarianism is just a party for rich fucks here
>>76583631
Same but it only took me 6 months and I still agree with most of ayn rand
i was never libertarian
but i'm against being obligatory having to use the seat belt on cars in cities, if i don't want to use it i don't , the life is mine, and no one even runs inside cities wtf, our streets are awful its not even possible to run here
>>76583904
Well "libertarian" is an American word because "liberal" was corrupted to mean the opposite of small government. Doesn't "liberal" mean "the smaller government the better to you"? Or do you have a word for that? Do kids go through such a phase?
>>76583762
What's retarted about her?
>>76583631
Given that liberty is a major part of the American national identity it makes sense that it would be more of a local phenomenon.
>>76584002
In Australia we call our conservatives liberals
>>76583335
What would be the point in hunting puppies? It would be one step above shooting fish in a barrel.
>>76583997
If you get in an accident, is there a chance that other people are paying for your bills? Either through private insurance or state medicine?
If so, that's the reason why seatbelt laws exist. Allowing you not to where one increases the chance that you're a burden to everyone else.
>>76584022
She honestly believes that there's such a thing as objectively good art and music, for starters.
>>76584131
makes sense
>>76584105
>What would be the point in hunting puppies?
Freedom, you fucking statist.
>>76583335
That's ancap not libertardianism.
>>76584290
I disagree with that but I think there is some standard for what should be good art even if all don't follow it.
>>76583335
>>76583335
I still agree with a lot of parts of it but realize the pragmatism in tariffs when we're getting jewed so hard by the chinks. We gotta deregulate and cut taxes and shrink certain corrupt messes like the EPA by 90%.
>>76583335
What's wrong with hunting prey you own on property you own?
>>76584384
Hell yea!!!!!!! Im randlet now
>>76584384
Your scenario isn't even libertarianism. The guy is violating NAP by shooting puppies, within the framework of libertarianism its acceptable to arrest him.
>>76584131
Not if the accident is a good one... if he wants to die in a car crash, that is his fucking business. We shouldn't be paying other people fucking bills or being forced to have insurance. Laws only serve to remove freedoms. If you want to be free, you have to own up to responsibility for your actions.
>>76584727
What? The NAP applies to animals? All libertarians are vegan? This is honestly news to me.
>>76584814
You honestly expect a society filled with blacks, Mexicans, rednecks, children, drunks, and old people to own up to responsibility for their actions? Or what, they would just die on the side of the (muh) roads?
Who would pay for the towing of the reckage and disposal of the body in your lolbertarian scenario?
>>76583895
You'd be relying on other people regardless of what type of government your society employs. The difference is whether you convince them to help you with reason or threaten them with violence. At the end of the day, voluntary interactions will always yield the best results.
Problem is, most societies today seem to be getting dumber thanks to degenics/welfare. Obviously, a libertarian society would never succeed without intelligent people. Just like how any government above tribalism never succeeds in sub-70 IQ Africa, no matter how many resources and how much education the left throws at them.
>>76585042
>At the end of the day, voluntary interactions will always yield the best results.
This is insane. You have no proof whatsoever of this. It's true to you only because you want it to be true. It is communism-tier pipe dreaming.
>>76585230
/thread
But that doesn't mean it won't work
>>76585230
What are you talking about? How about instead of running off on an ad hominem rant, why don't you try applying it to a real life scenario?
Someone has resources/food that you need. You can choose to trade something with them, or you can choose to hold them up at gunpoint and steal from them. The act of trading is a far less risky scenario for both parties involved, as there is no violence, and is more sustainable in the long run because you are more likely to trade again in the future. If you steal, what exactly would stop the other person from leaving, short of human slavery?
The result of the second option is no different from when the government causes corporations and businesses to relocate overseas because of 70% taxes on revenue. You look at something like charity, which accumulates billions of dollars every year based on voluntary donations alone, and say that it is a worse alternative to driving away the only people who produce wealth?
I have nothing against nationalism, just to be clear. In fact, I see it as a neccessary step to remove unfit people from an evolving society. The problem is that government programs don't fix cultural problems, only intelligent people do.
>>76583335
b-but is there really anything wrong with buying puppies just to hunt them on your private property?
Is this really the kind of thing that the gubment should have oversight of? Where do you draw the line between what you can and can't kill on your own land?
>>76583335
I'm not.
>>76583335
Why shouldn't I be allowed to hunt puppies? Are they human?
I bet you support abortion.
>>76587332
well, if you're a libertarian, you should support abortion, it's not up to anyone else to tell you what you can and can't do to your body.
>>76585230
And before you go bitching about my last sentence about government programs, you can look at welfare as an example. How poverty had been decreasing rapidly before it was implemented, only to begin a steady incline again when it was introduced.
>>76587498
>someone else's body is your body
>>76586945
10/10
>>76586945
>If you steal, what exactly would stop the other person from leaving, short of human slavery?
>implying slavery is not on the table when the right to contract is absolute
top kek
>>76587602
so if you were to remove that other body from the mothers, would it be able to survive on its own? The same argument could be made for a parasite living inside of you, but killing a tape worm isn't considered murder - you can't be a libertarian and have ridiculous backwards double standards about abortion.
> mfw stormweenies still think lolbertarianism is the same as anarchy
>>76583335
libertarians and fascists (the "right" philosophy according to /pol/) are both fucking retards. for some reason you people seem to think you can only be one extreme or the other
>>76587896
A tape worm isn't human, you fucking idiot. If you were to kick an infant out of your home and let it die on the street, you'd be guilty of murder.
>>76585042
>voluntary interactions will always yield the best results.
Source?
>Problem is, most societies today seem to be getting dumber thanks to degenics/welfare.
source?
>Obviously, a libertarian society would never succeed without intelligent people.
Source?
>strawmanning libertarianism as ancap
Maybe puppies should also benefit from the NAP? Government exists to keep Stirner the grand douchebag under foot, spooks exist to haunt him and not well meaning, potentially successful "oppressive privileged" demographics as being currently promoted by government.
We want different government, perhaps less government, not no government.
>>76583335
>photoshop red hats on anime girls all day
>thinks their mature
Trumpfags everybody.
>>76584290
XD sooo retarded hehe
Fucking faggot
>>76586945
>trading is a far less risky scenario
That implies you have something the guy with food wants.
There is a saying : "In the desert, water is more valuable then gold"
>when the government causes corporations and businesses to relocate overseas
>causes
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, muh poor little coorporations. Oh poor victims.
>I have nothing against nationalism
> I see it as a neccessary step to remove unfit people from an evolving society.
Do you even know what nationalism is?
>>76583335
When I reached age of 0.
>>76587896
>comparing a human baby with a tapeworm.
Libertarianism 101.
Daily reminder that by refusing to pay rent to AmeriGov(TM), you are thereby squatting on their land and thus violating the NAP.
>>76585042
>my idea is not working just because people are dumb
Communism rhetorics, never changing.
>>76587504
>How poverty had been decreasing rapidly before it was implemented, only to begin a steady incline again when it was introduced.
And why is that?
>>76588028
What an argument! Guess I'm #pancakeforkasich now
>>76588049
>A tape worm isn't human, you fucking idiot
so at what point does a fetus become human?
Is a small clump of unformed cells with no heart, brain or limbs human?
If a pack of niggers raped your mother/sister, would you encourage them not to have an abortion because it's a human life and that'd be unfair to the child? wouldn't that be even more unrfair to the raped mother/sister?
>>76583335
I liked it for a moment but never got into it. Right when I was about to register as a lolbertarian the Alt-Right gained traction.
>>76584104
It's Liberal in the sense of economic liberalism.
>>76588416
>"Recognizing that abortion is a sensitive issue and that libertarians can hold good-faith views on both sides, we believe the government should be kept out of the question. We condemn state-funded abortions. It is particularly harsh to force someone who believes that abortion is murder to pay for another’s abortion. It is the right of the woman, not the state, to decide the desirability of prenatal testing, Caesarean births, fetal surgery, and/or home births." -
Source: National Platform of the Libertarian Party , Jul 2, 2000
>>76587896
>libertarians see the natural taking of nutrients from the mother by the baby (and infact all symbiotic or providing systems within nature) as parasitic
not surprised you guys tend to be major autists.
>>76588596
Stop being a fucking retard.
A human is a human. A fetus is a human. Not a tapeworm or anything else. Dependency on the mother - the same mother that created that fetus in the first place and placed it in a position of needing to be cared for - does not excuse abortion. Otherwise, we may as well give parents the right to kill their underage children because they can't provide for themselves.
>>76588740
>le libertarianism is ancap meme
When will this stupid meme end?
>>76584727
Who arrests him if there's no govt?
What are your thoughts on the Austrian school of Economics?
>>76588093
Common sense. I already gave an example to the other guy.
Poorer people have more children and poverty has increased since the introduction of welfare. This is a pretty well-known fact. Do I need to explain that you can't feed babies without food as well?
"Intelligent" is a subjective term. Requesting a source on that was pretty idiotic.
>>76584529
Healthy kek
>>76588934
>libertarian
>no govt
Fuck off. Libertarianism is not anarchy, libertarian just means a smaller government
>>76588905
Draw the line, then
All i see is you guys escaping criticism by always saying this shit,
>>76588093
Poverty in the US.
>>76588740
prove to me that this isn't objectively true though :^)
>>76588832
nice strawman tbqh
>>76588934
Volunteer militias of selfless people who would not succumb to power trips.
>>76588999
>Common sense.
lol.
> I already gave an example to the other guy.
A stupid example that holds no ground outside of your mind. You can't fathom it.
>Poorer people have more children and poverty has increased since the introduction of welfare.
What are you trying to argue?
>This is a pretty well-known fact.
It's not, but ok.
> Do I need to explain that you can't feed babies without food as well?
So?
>>76583631
Yeah pretty much this.
Got over it pretty quick though when I realized that progressive social policies were pretty much rending society in two.
>>76589069
The last spike is due to your '08 bank crash caused by deregulation.
And makes you think that welfare is directly causing poverty?
Both Libertarianism and /pol/ teir facists/Nat Socs, want the same thing, hence their abundance on /pol/... A better type of people.
But while facists want a better type of person by the direction of men, Libertarianism wants natural law, and ultimately mankinds own decisions, to be the eugenics that shape future humanity.
Am I wrong?
>>76586945
What if that someone you wanted to trade with managed to unite all the surrounding territories and basically they hold you and your settlement to gunpoint
>>76588361
>That implies you have something the guy with food wants
Yeah, but the point of stealing is that you can have both sets of resources. Looks like you'll have to save your proverbs book for a relevant situation.
>>causes
If taxes aren't the driving force for countless businesses moving overseas, specifically to low-tax havens in Europe, then what is? This ought to be good.
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, muh poor little coorporations. Oh poor victims
Yawn. Take your cringe-inducing non-arguments back to the Youtube comments section.
>Do you even know what nationalism is?
A very simple way to decrease third world immigration. You seem to be lacking some critical thinking skills, champ.
>>76589055
libertarians just want a smaller government
>>76583335
Having already conceded that it's more efficient not having an invasive 3rd party involved with every exchange a person makes in their lives, statists like the OP know they can't say shit about libertarianism on economic grounds. So common memes usually revolve around painting humanity as a collection of feril shaved apes looking for the first chance to cut one another's throat as soon as the iron fist of daddy government is no longer in play. The warped psychology of statists is so transparent it's pathetic.
To Statists/collectivists there's such a violent refusal to learn from history or even ponder looking down the road at all. "Bernie/Hilary are only raising taxes 5%!" Right, then 4-8 years later it's another 5% until eventually we're the new Venezuela. So individual people aren't to be trusted with sovereignty over themselves but small groups of people should have the authority to tell the masses how to live? What fucking planet are you living on? Marking on a piece of paper every 4 years & hoping that daddy government takes care of you is the ultimate childishness.
>>76589520
I don't think so, I just don't understand why some of the differences (if any) between Libertarianism and Anarcho-capitalism.
I enjoy the fruits of Capitalism, but if An-cap and/or Libertarians advocate for zero regulation, wouldn't that be a Jew's wet dream, to install complete domination over "x" industry?
Is the government completely inefficient in all scopes of its power? There isn no doubt that that is true, but it is true for things like healthcare or the military?
I think NatSoc are menwho have faith that a government of men who are truly great can prosper, while An-cap (and/or Libertarians) have faith that little-to-no government is what makes great nations.
Why the open borders and freedom to be complete degenerates (i.e. degeneracy seeps into modern culture without being challenged)?
>>76584104
That has more to do with their liberal view towards the free market than it does their principles though.
>>76584050
What the fuck, they were crossing the Delaware to fucking run away
>>76584814
Who is going to build the cemeteries, he would not pay taxes anymore either, the state would have to give money to his children because they are orphans now, just because he didn't use a fucking seatbelt
>>76589794
>Yeah, but the point of stealing is that you can have both sets of resources. Looks like you'll have to save your proverbs book for a relevant situation.
Sure. But to trade you need to have something the other person wants.
>If taxes aren't the driving force for countless businesses moving overseas, specifically to low-tax havens in Europe, then what is? This ought to be good.
Simply don't alllow them to move to tax heavens ffs.
>A very simple way to decrease third world immigration. You seem to be lacking some critical thinking skills, champ.
So you actually don't know what nationalism is.
hint:
nationalism != white pride
>>76588999
>Argentina
>white
>>76590093
>Who is going to build the cemeteries
The Church will you fucking heretic
>>76589834
To what deggre? I want a smaller government. Does that make me a lolbertarian?
>>76589882
> that it's more efficient not having an invasive 3rd party
source?
>>76583631
>then have a 5 to 10 year sperg period where they think FUCKIGN STATISM is the root of all evil.
But it is, though. What are you supposed to 'evolve' to? Fascism? National Socialism? Conservativisim?
>>76589353
>my snarky meme talk and willful ignorance of logicstics ought to dismantle this guy's facts
Wow, you sure out-witted me.
>>76588383
He didn't gave up on lolbertarianism at age -0.9
>>76583766
That assumes people are capable of such.
At least with the state there's something preventing that.
>>76589920
>Is the government completely inefficient in all scopes of its power?
No. Healthcare is way more efficient when handled by gov
Libertarians think people are capable of governing themselves.
This is simply not true.
>>76590162
Kek
Isn't that called a graveyard?
I thought cemeteries are the ones owned by the state or private companies
>>76589920
I agree the open borders is questionable(although some libertarians think that would fall under one of the few duties of government).
Ultimately.... All military grade weaponry would be available to the public, thus any society or group that turned its back on fight age men(like it has now) would be vulnerable.
In European centric cultures, it wouldn't be a problem as we are quite efficient at working with each other. But anybody sharing a border with a 3rd world nation, or large minority group would be in trouble.
As for degeneracy, it kills itself when left to its own devices. Drugs use to be legal and only a fraction of a fraction used them, as compared to now since we insist on funding the poors bad decisions.
>>76590107
>Sure. But to trade you need to have something the other person wants
And? Stealing isn't trade. Do we need to cover the English language in your next lesson?
>Simply don't alllow them to move to tax heavens ffs.
So slavery? Good to see you openly advocating nigger-tier political ideas. What other third world values should we adopt?
>So you actually don't know what nationalism is.
hint:
nationalism != white pride
Have I even used the word "White" in any of my posts? I can see that you're getting desperate, but this doesn't even make sense.
>>76589520
There are more stupid people than intelligent people, therefore its easier if only one person govern us than having millions of imbeciles governing themselves, after all if the leader is stupid intelligent people will kill him
>>76590384
says who?
>>76590484
And then you proceed to give the choice to another person. That's just shaking off the responsibility. Hope you don't try to run any business and just sign up for slave labor.
>>76590837
But how do we distinguish who is "smart"?
Lest we forget, /pol/s most hated enemies are infact "smart", but the same talents that make great Heros, also make the most wicked Villians.
>>76590384
I used to believe that, until i realized it was like that because retarded people didn't prepare for the future. If we stop saving every retard with 500k credit card debt who bought all apple products as they came out, soon people will start preparing for the future.
>>76589095
The appeal to emotion is natural in this scenario so let me set that aside and use scientific reasoning why the murder, (and that's what it is, murder) of babies who might've been doctors, leaders, teachers, or anything may possibly be bad.
>Less natural citizens
>Less love for human life
>Slippery slope- Mother of a child decides she want's to "abort" the baby when it's 1-2 years old because she can't handle it and adoption clinics are closed. It's still taking resources from her at this point, it's just outside the body.
>>76583335
There still might be a way....
>But first, the cleansing fire has to clear the dying (((forest))).
After the Great War and reconstruction years I fully intend to propose libertarian policies at the first open platform party meting.
>>76590685
I was about to disagree when you said "European centric culture". I agree. But what about nukes, fighter jets, and tanks?
So you say that drug use should be legal? I side with NatSoc or Fascists on this one, a nation's code of law should be for the greater good of a mankind, and promoting drug use is not a prime example of this. I believe, to combat drugs, ostracizing the abusers and to set laws against drug use.
>>76583335
A few years ago
I'm still a libertarian at heart like all Americans should be but man is it cucked today
They're backtracking on gun rights and only really give a shit about allowing degenerates to parade in the streets, open up the borders, and let the rich liberals do whatever the fuck they want.
>>76588456
Conception.
>>76590685
> it wouldn't be a problem as we are quite efficient at working with each other.
Are you stupid? Do you actually thi nk i would trust my back to white people i don't know? Are you that protected? White people are devious and violent too
>>76590809
>So slavery?
No, xD. nice trigger word, btw ;) . Don't allow copanies to transfer large amounts of money out of the country. Especially to countries know for being tax heavens.
>Good to see you openly advocating nigger-tier political ideas.
It was literally the norm up until a few decades ago.
>Have I even used the word "White" in any of my posts?
No, but by extrapolating the "third world immigration" to the fact that we are on /pol/, and adding to the fact that you have a american, i am forced to assume that you were talking about european popultation. At most including east asians.
>>76591000
The greatest civilizations ever to exist had an elite ruling class who passed laws. Where in the history of the world has a great civilization left the laws up to common people? Were is the historical presidence for libertarianism?
Libertarianism is the breeding ground for degeneracy and stagnation. People must be united under a common cause (nation states) for them to advance. It's how every other great society advanced. Libertarianism takes away that reason for society to advance, in fact it shatters the very idea of society.
>>76590986
Check literally every statistic comparing nacionalized healthcare to privatised
>b-but USA scores better then Togo!!!
>>76591037
>I used to believe that,
I don't believe. It's factual. Nationalized healthcare achieves way better results then private/semi-private system
>>76588818
>After-birth abortion
>https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/she-the-people/post/after-birth-abortion-can-they-be-serious/2012/03/03/gIQADgiOsR_blog.html
>“We claim that killing a newborn could be ethically permissible in all the circumstances where abortion would be. Such circumstances include cases where the newborn has the potential to have an (at least) acceptable life, but the well-being of the family is at risk,” the article reads. “We propose to call this practice ‘after-birth abortion,’ rather than ‘infanticide,’ to emphasise that the moral status of the individual killed is comparable with that of a fetus (on which ‘abortions’ in the traditional sense are performed) rather than to that of a child.”
It's not even a slippery slope anymore. It's a fucking water slide.
>>76583335
AnCaps are more cringe worthy than lolbers
>>76591009
You can't, a good leader will make their country a superpower given enough time a bad leaser will be impeached or killed by the people given enough time.
For example Stalin was good, because he worked not for the minorities, but for the majorities, when he died he left a superpower, when Gorbachev was removed from power he left an ungovernable shithole
>>76583335
>hunting puppies isnt a time-honoured, traditional white manly man's pursuit
i want animal rights activists to go
>>76591043
>babies who might've been doctors, leaders, teachers...
considering the demographics of those who get abortions in the US, I doubt this would be a significant problem. In reality, they'd likely be a burden on the system, and we shouldn't be trying to force mothers who are ill-equipped to raise a child to do so, when there is a much easier solution.
>>Less natural citizens
a freer society will be a happier society, which will boost birth rates :^) ignoring this, your point is silly anyway, as the decrease in child births would be so minuscule, it'd hardly be a problem.
>>Less love for human life
>implying war doesn't already devalue human life
what's the difference?
>>Slippery slope- Mother of a child decides she want's to "abort" the baby when it's 1-2 years old because she can't handle it and adoption clinics are closed. It's still taking resources from her at this point, it's just outside the body.
As you have said, this is a slippery slope fallacy, legal abortion will not lead to mothers killing their infant children - but even if this was the case, as the child now exists independently from the mother (it's no longer in the womb) this'd be considered murder.
>>76583335
I never did. No other political ideology has appealed to me. You Nat Soc and far right fags are so autistic about getting rid of everything that you dont agree with. Your only slightly more tolerable than SJWs. I just think the government should stay the fuck out of our personal lives. How is that so unreasonable?
>>76588456
You are appealing to emotions, its just a fallacy, in that case scenario its still a human doesn't matter how he came to be, what if my sister was raped by the best aryan in the world
>>76590317
He sure did.
>common sense
the free market is always better than an incompetent leader.
a really good leader might be able to control things well, but it would be really difficult.
>>76591322
So conception marks the start of human life, what are your views on the killing of (a) murderers (b) enemies in war (c) animals like livestock for sustenance?
>>76589790
>authored hundreds of rigorous economics papers
>won nobel prize for economics
"college professor who did little else"
oki dok...
>basement dwelling neet """natsocs""" talking down about libertarianism/ancaps
zozzle'd
>>76591998
These aren't mutually exclusive things.
>>76592030
Projecting much?
>>76591246
All three require immense resources. Ultimately there would be really no difference between the State owning them, or a large group of like minded individuals, since both would have larger interests in mind.
Ostracizing is exactly what people use to do to substance abusers. They dragged down the community, and those around them, and so parents raised their childern to lookout and avoid such behaviour. Now that all terrible behaviour is financed via "rehabilitation" or "welfare", people no longer avoid such individuals and gain the false impression of security.
In the current State, drug users are jailed, time served, and released alive. As compared to before, they were either forced to clean up to put food on their table, or died early deaths with no childern(since parents educated their kids).
The reasons drugs are bad, is self evident in a society that allows the eventual conclusions to play out.
>>76592077
>projecting
lol, quit pretending you aren't like the rest of /pol/
Daily reminder that libertarianism is globalist cancer.
>>76591937
my argument isn't appealing to emotion anymore than the argument that the unborn child is still human and therefore you shouldn't kill it.
There are plenty of other scenarios where humans kill one another, why can't this be one?
Besides, it's a potential and realistic scenario, and oftentimes I doubt that it's one that people actually consider - I have never spoken to a woman that has said that she'd keep the child of a rapist - why are you against women choosing what to do with their own bodies?
I don't really know exactly what libertarian policies or positions are but I think the right and the left are full of moralist busybodies who get off on micromanaging other peoples lives and its disgusting to me
I want people to leave each other the fuck alone but still have law and order, somehow this is an impossible feat though
>>76591517
there are usually longer queue times and blatant abuse of the system when its nationalized.
high taxes also
>>76591351
No Portugal, I don't expect your country to because, if you read my paragraph, I specifically said "European centric" and "non-third world countries"
>>76591739
I'd say a consistently working system, is better then a dice roll for a temporary paradise VS centuries of recovery from Hell.
>>76592412
that's basically Libertarianism
cops are around to basically prevent/punish property and violent crimes
>>76591322
kill yourself christfag
>>76592521
Then whats so cringeworthy about it? seems like a perfectly reasonable stance to take.
>>76592099
That's a good argument. If it were up to me, we'd exile them after a few offences, I just want to set a good example for the children when they ask what is illegal and what is not.
>>76592624
A lot of libertarians go full retard with the non-aggression principle (NAP). This includes selling heroin to children or even full ancap.
>>76592546
wow, edgy.
I bet you're the type to go into a sunday service and tell them how the one true god is THOR!
BURN DOWN ALL CHURCHES, FOR THOR!! 14/88 ARYAN NORDIC XDD
>>76591246
Drugs are illegal today and they are constantly being promoted and glorified through TV, music, and movies. Prohibition doesn't work. just let the junkies kill themselves instead of slowing down the process with short bursts of incarceration.
>>76592315
Humans killing humans is only justificable when the former is a threat to the other, thia ia defined in the human right of the UN
>Why are you against women choosing to do with their own bodies
Because they are stupid, they could have the kid and give him in adoption
>>76592922
so what constitutes a threat? it could be argued that this child would pose a threat to the wellbeing of the mother, or threaten her way of life.
so if the woman is stupid, then chances are her kid is also stupid, why force stupid people to bring more children into the world?
It's not like libertarians are all child murderers who love the idea of abortion, personally I think that ideally the woman wouldn't have one, that being said, I 100% respect their decision and think that it should be down to their discretion.
>>76591246
So basically give all the drug money to huge mafia rings instead of taxing it. Sounds reasonable.
>>76592896
I agree that banning things is not the most effective method of getting rid of them (just like gun crime will still exist, even if you ban guns, because criminals will still exist), but I just can't agree that the law dictate these things are legal. I believe law should be based on a moral code which all citizens must operate under. idk, prohibition hasn't worked, so I'm open to new alternatives.
>>76593215
elaborate, please. I don't understand.
>>76584104
Same in BC desu, and for pretty well the same reason. Our province's conservative party is actually pretty fringe-tier and a waste of a vote anyhow.
>>76591505
If you have heard of the last few hundred years of history, personal benefit is just as valid a cause. The state didn't kick off electrification. it was a patent troll who did everyone a favor in exchange for wealth like any sane market.
>>76593374
Elaborating:
>a nation's code of law should be for the greater good of a mankind
Reasonable
>and promoting drug use is not a prime example of this
Legality does not imply promoting drug use.
>I believe, to combat drugs, ostracizing the abusers and to set laws against drug use.
The thing is, you can't keep watch of everyone at once, not even the NSA can.
What will happen is that there will be an underground market of shittier drugs that will directly fund big mafias and drug lords.
>>76588832
> doesnt realize you can just leave the business thats forcing you to pick up the can
>>76593189
>so what constitutes a threat? it could be argued that this child would pose a threat to the wellbeing of the mother, or threaten her way of life.
Yeah, that kind of abortion is legal even in the vatican
>so if the woman is stupid, then chances are her kid is also stupid, why force stupid people to bring more children into the world?
what if the father was einstein or some super intelligent motherfucker
>>76592179
m8, I have a job, and I go to college
>>76593648
>Legality does not imply promoting drug use.
Agreed, but it does not put anything in front of that behaviour, other than a stern wag of the finger from your Grandpa. The problem I have with An-Cap and/or (depending on the differences between the two, if any) Libertarians is that they give people the freedom to be degenerates and for that freedom to slowly influence other walks of life.
>The thing is, you can't keep watch of everyone at once
I was referring to youth slipping out at night to smoke meth and coming home to their parents and a lecture. But yeah, underground crime rings like the ones you described do seem unavoidable.
There is a solution, and that is to execute all who can be categorized as the "underbelly of society". But that would devolve just as who is white and who isn't white topics devolve on pol; that is to say, wiping standing up is now a felony. I am an advocate for that only when the tipping point has been reached in a society (beyond salvation, irreparable, needs cleansing ASAP). The question is, who is in charge of pointing out when a society tips off the deep end? Adolf did a damn fine job at naming the Jew.
if a baby doesnt have personhood then it's not considered a human in a legal sense, so therefore the person who is providing the care for the fetus has the decision to abort. same with a person on life support thats brain dead. the baby gains personhood around 24 weeks when synchronized brain activity is demonstratable with EEGs. simple fucking concept.
>>76593902
>Yeah, that kind of abortion is legal even in the vatican
but my point is where do you draw the line with what constitutes a threat to the mother?
>what if the father was einstein or some super intelligent motherfucker
regression to the mean, lad.
>>76594434
>but my point is where do you draw the line with what constitutes a threat to the mother?
if the kid is going to kill her, for example if he has cancer, and there is a risk of spreading the cancer to the mother
I got out of it when I noticed 99% of the people who talked to me about it didn't mention liberty, just shit like "I want weed"
>>76594302
define personhood
>>76594714
the ability to experience sensory inputs while being in a human body
I was 18, after I got my first job working for one of teh evil megacorporations that lolbertarians think should run everything.
>>76594890
so basically are you saying that since an embryo doesn't have a personhood therefore it is not a human anymore?
never had one however i had a liberal (not the "muh safespace" one more like that that faggot "amazin atheist" type of liberal) phase that i grew out of when i was 16
>>76583631
Yeah, that's pretty accurate. I think I grew out of it when I started having problems defending Rothbardian ideas like privatizing judiciary arbitration. Seriously, do ancaps not think private security sounds a little mobbish?
>>76595036
You mean those corporations that get; limited liability, grants, bailouts, monopolies, competition squashing regulation, state protection, corporate biased court systems and all manner of special privilege from lobbying the state?
>>76596919
Nah, I probably have a different vision of alternatives than you would.
I grew out of libertarianism at 19 years old after I started reading neoreaction blogs then alt-right blogs, now I'm a white nationalist fascist
>>76583631
DO NOT BREED. Seriously.
>>76583335
Actually just grew into one. I like libertarianism because it lets me do what I want and pisses off the alt right. Also Gary Johnson is obviously Walter White(he's from New Mexico, used to sell weed, and gives fuck all about moralcucks)
