Ask a Communist anything. What really got to me is that I made this thread before, last night to be exact. I didn't get many real questions. I got people mocking me for being a communist and mocking me for scrubbing toilets for a living. I disagree with that because I think communism is a very legit ideology and I think toilet scrubbing is a very noble honest profession. I will answer some common questions here to start the thread going
>Do you believe in Labour Theory of Value
Yes. A common response to this is "but supply and demand determine the value". That is very true in a capitalistic economy but in a Marxist economy it's the work put into something that determines the value.
>Communism is failed ideology
Not true, it advanced the countries it was in greatly. Russia under capitalism was worse than it under communism. Yes there was the famine but that was due to Nazi invasion, 100% of the resources had to go to the war. Communism in the 50s+ wasn't bad at all and if you look at pictures from the time it looked like New York
>America is capitalistic and way better than commieland
America's wealth comes from more left-wing policies by FDR and Eisenhower. The golden age of America was when we were more socialistic.
>Why don't you stop using a computer then if you hate capitalism.
IDK why don't you stop driving on roads if you hate taxes, or stop using the internet if you hate socialism.
>Do you believe in globalism
Yes, People are scared of a NWO or something but historically the most tyranical governments were the most nationalistic
>Do you like George Soros
Yes, I used to dislike him before learning who he was. He is against political corruption, the drug war, mass incarceration, corporations dodging taxes, and anti-fascist
Please feel free to ask more.
How's your freshman year of college going?
>>76420381
> it's the work put into something that determines the value.
One word;.
Art.
>>76420381
Why don't you find a stool, a high rafter, and a rope, and do the right thing?
>>76420863
I didn't go to College. You know most Colleges are funded by billionaires right? The whole "left wing college thing" is just a meme. Sure they are socially left and are pro-homosexuality and transgenderism and all that but the students are taught the basics of property rights and that the rich earned their money.
>>76420381
>>76421056
Well you just invalidated any credibility to yourself.
>>76420980
I did try to kill myself years ago but failed and was sentenced to a Ward, if I try again I will be be held Indefinitely and possibly imprisoned. That is one of the ways fascism still is around us.
>>76420914
This!
>>76420381
Say it with me, folks!
A
FUCKING
LEAF
>>76421168
How did I?
>>76420381
>Yes there was the famine but that was due to Nazi invasion
Holodomor happened in 1932, son.
>>76421119
I don't have autism but it's a fact autistic people have higher IQs
>>76420381
>A FUCKING
>>76420381
fukken gommie
>>76421217
Wow. You are probably the most pathetic excuse for a Communist I've ever seen.
>>76421330
It was minor and it was due to failed policy, not evil intent by Stalin.
Can you please kill yourself?
If not, will you give my regards to Reddit?
>>76421441
No when I went to Techno-communist parties I heard many worse stories. Like one guy was addicted to three drugs at a time and was homeless for a year. But we aren't all like that there was actually a upper-class guy who was going to a good University and someone who read every Marx and Hegels book.
>>76421301
Hurr durr I'm an armchair Communist who thinks that college is a degenerate system set up by corperations. You're probably that kid who shits out Marx and Engels quotes to seem edgy. Prove to me Communist is a valid system that has results. I mean communism, not the Soviet Union or China. That ain't communism
>>76421217
wait, what? You can go to prison for trying to kill youself? fukken gommie
>>76421765
I did try to kill myself years ago but failed and was sentenced to a Ward, if I try again I will be be held Indefinitely and possibly imprisoned. That is one of the ways fascism still is around us.
>>76421594
>5 million deaths is minor
wew lad
>>76421217
oh this has got to be bait
>>76420914
>“Lastly, nothing can have value, without being an object of utility. If the thing is useless, so is the labour contained in it; the labour does not count as labour, and therefore creates no value.”
t. Marx
kekekekeke
Fuck you, you filtht leaf. At least be a soviet nationalist communist !
>>76421818
Ok, once automation becomes cheaper than starvation wages for workers communism will be inevitable. Capitalism can't survive when automation advances, it already has created major problems, but it's getting worse.
daily reminder
>>76421844
Yeah you can. It's because the lawmakers in the 60s were all religious nutbags and thought killing yourself was a sin.
>>76421056
>Sure they are socially left and are pro-homosexuality and transgenderism and all that but the students are taught the basics of property rights and that the rich earned their money.
holy shit he really is still in high school
>>76420381
you were never able to answer my question last night hombre. Having a succesful revlolution =/= idealogy works.
Is anyone else going to point out that scrubbing toilets is actually really easy?
>>76421818
It is true though, colleges may throw bones to cultural liberalism and a bit of affirmative action but they hold up the status quo and class system rather than dismantle it.
>>76421878
It wasn't that big. I have already evidence the Maoist Famine was fake but I am currently researching how the USSR one was fake. I currently believe it is real but highly exaggerated
>>76422117
Nah its more like commies treat you like their possesion. Breaking their tools is crime mate.
fukken gommie
>>76420381
Why is National Communism best communism?
>>76421367
My brother has autism and he's a dumbass, lmao.
>>76421911
You're a bad troll
>>76421959
Nationalism and Communism can't go together. That's Nazbolism
>>76422044
Jason Unruhe even says that Stalin and Mao were real communists dumbass.
>>76420381
>>76421056
>>76421217
>>76421800
>>76421367
>canadian
>tried to kill self
>hasn't gone to college
>techno-communist parties
>defends autism
>>76422157
>28
>still in highschool
>>76422192
Well it did work because it created industrializaton in Russia
>>76422199
This. I believe the ultra-left liberal SJWs are just there to mask it.
>>76422414
It's stupid, I still respect them because at least they are communists.
>>76421056
>just a meme
No it isn't faggot. I had an entire class on privilege that was mandatory.
I'm an engineer btw.
>>76422517
And?
>>76420381
>>76422709
wew lad nice comeback
>>76422699
>privilege
That's just mindless bullshit about white people not holding doors for people of colour. I mean the core basis of College teaches you to go out, work for a corporation, and make money. A real leftist College would teach you Marxist economics, a Marxist society, Class Struggle, Russian history, Political Science
White privilege is just SJW bullshit and doesn't mean anything.
>>76422639
Pretty sure industrialization was there already. It's how they fought WWI, right?
I'm gonna keep saying it: cleaning toilets is some seriously easy shit.
Why can't you go to a trade school and become a plumber? Surely there are some technical colleges where you live
Thought on anarchism OP? A lot of them dislike you more statecraft type socialists in favor of their libertarian approach to socialism.
Reminder, right board.
>>76420381
famine was in early 30s, war for USSR started 1941. Explain yourself.
>>76420381
> Ask a Communist anything
Do you want to be beaten with a shovel or with a pickaxe?
>>76420381
Isn't it too late for a revolution? Governments have drones, Tanks and all... Even if we put all the gun carriers together (Those that do not own them for their profession) Against the government... They'll still win because they have much better weaponry
>>76420381
Why do you think that the collective has the right tornslace the individual? In what way does communism allow people to pursue their their own desires and happiness?
The next question I have is how you reconcile the use of violence? If some one does not want to give up the product of their labor, communist govts usually kill imprison them.
>>76422977
>Pretty sure industrialization was there already. It's how they fought WWI, right?
No Russia was classified as Agrarian.
>I'm gonna keep saying it: cleaning toilets is some seriously easy shit.
It's not, it takes willpower to bend down to the toliet and have to breath in and stare at shit. You get used to it but it's still disgusting. I lost a lot of weight because I have almost no appetite.
>Why can't you go to a trade school and become a plumber? Surely there are some technical colleges where you live
I tried to become a mechanic but it was too hard. I tried to become a lifegaurd but I failed and then I tried to become a snowboard instructor but they said because I tried to kill myself I wasn't fit to be around kids. By then I ran out of money to spend on courses so I settled where I am.
>>76420381
Why would I put any effort into working if the fruit of my labour just gets stolen and I get given scraps no matter how much I produce?
>>76423038
>war for USSR started 1941
war crimes started in 1939, though
>>76423447
fukken gommies
>>76423367
>failure in every aspect of life
>is a communist
well there we go lads, the average commie is a failure in life and wants government handouts to compensate
>>76423016
I am an anarchist. Anarchism is inevitable in communism as the State will no longer be needed. It is part of Marxist theory to have a "stateless classless society".
>>76423021
Both political sides are right-wing. The right-wing is right-wing because well it's on the right side of the spectrum. The left-wing is also right-wing because it's right as in "correct". See what I did there?
>>76423038
It was needed for industrialization and was over-exaggerated
>>76423264
Fascists are so violent
>>76423284
I'm not calling for a revolution that is illegal. I'm saying it's possible. The government doesn't have shit on the people because it depends on tax money.
>>76420381
>Communism is a legit ideology
No. I'm out of Russia exactly BECAUSE it's not a "legit" ideology.
You haven't lived in Russia during the 70's and 80's as a poor kid.
I grew up in Kamchatka, in a dirt poor family, my father was a doctor and my mother took care of reetards like you in a school for the mentally challenged.
I was the only one from my grade to leave Kamchatka, all others stayed there and lived poor shitty lives.
I was also one of the few people in my fucking family to leave Russia and go to the U.S.
Let me tell you this, boy, that I experienced this " legit" system first hand, and it does NOT work.
And I was lucky, most of the people I knew are still ther, living life as sore losers.
And why? Because idealists like you thought that communism is a "legit" system.
>>76423367
Every other industrial, non-communist country reached Industrial status.
Well when you clean them fast enough, they don't have time to get shitty. You don't spray toilet bowl cleaner around the edges and let it sit and dissolve everything first? Porcelain is pretty easy to clean senpai.
>tried to become a mechanic but it was too hard
Try harder. I know too many dumb redneck mechanics to accept that answer from anyone.
>>76422861
a Russian denying stalin, remind you that your country is what it is thanks to a couple of people who were leading the rest of your leaders are history ink
>>76423760
>Fascists are so violent
>Leftist are peaceful.
You do know tsarist Russia was a feudal economy right
>>76423760
>stateless classless society
that's even more backward than cavemen, at least they lived in tribes
>>76423294
>Why do you think that the collective has the right tornslace the individual?
"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one" - Spock
>In what way does communism allow people to pursue their their own desires and happiness
People can do whatever the hell they want in communism after work. In Capitalism everything is privately owned and sold at a price, so unless you have money you can't follow your desires.
>The next question I have is how you reconcile the use of violence? If some one does not want to give up the product of their labor, communist govts usually kill imprison them.
I am a pacifistic. No violence, but there will be police to prevent people from not sharing in a communistic society before the state fades away. The argument of "it's violence to tax people" is flawed because the whole idea of property is violence. "I own this land because I bought it from the government (Who just claimed it) and they will imprison you if you go on it"
>>76420381
What's your ideology? Maoist/Trotskyist etc.
>>76423714
Only fucken stupid poorfags and smart sly richfags are commies. Did you ever meet a middle class man who claim he is commie?
fukken gommies
>>76424396
Only the middle class weak men who've never been challenged in their entire life
>>76420381
>The golden age of America was when we were more socialistic.
>we
Even canadians think that Canada is part of USA lmao
>>76423714
Ad Hom attack
>government handouts
In Communism you must work.
>>76423447
>>76423539
samefagging this hard
>>76423778
Excuse me? I'm not a retard that's you. And the fact that you were allowed to leave freely shows it's not as totalitarian as people say
>>76423953
>Every other industrial, non-communist country reached Industrial status.
But who reaps the production of the industrialization? THe military industrial complex and the 1%
>Well when you clean them fast enough, they don't have time to get shitty. You don't spray toilet bowl cleaner around the edges and let it sit and dissolve everything first? Porcelain is pretty easy to clean senpai.
I walk place to place cleaning toilets for cash, there is already shit in the toilet when I show up.
>>76424539
>middle class
>never been challenged in their entire life
Well, that the diffrence in definitions between our countries, bongfriend
fukken gommies
>>76424396
You are right
>>76423778
I know what communism is like. Now I live in Thailand, I curse Russia every day for what it did with my friends and family, I will never go back. Never.
>>76424011
I don't deny Stalin existence
>>76424043
It's a fact
>>76424048
There is no difference between that and capitalism
>>76424061
Tribes are stateless and classless. In tribal life you can do whatever the fuck you want when you want.
>>76424264
Trotskyist. I know Stalin killed him and all, and I strongly disagree with Stalin for being nationalistic. So it may seem contradictory that I praised Stalin but still. I support internationalism like Trotsky did.
>>76424609
That was a Freudian slip asshole.
>>76424396
You're stupid!
>>76424539
You're weak middle class are under attack.
>>76424670
The consumer reaps the benefits of industrialization.
I have an affordable computer, car, phone, [spoiler]rifle :^)[/spoiler], all because of industrialization. You have whatever device you were posting on for cheap because of industrialization.
You must be very proficient at it; do you take days off? if yes, do you apply to other places to work? Do you have a home with a running shower to help find job interviews?
>>76424670
>samefaging
>on pol
i just forgot to say fukken commies
fukken commies
Also, i wish you could taste this glorious communism of yours. i can assure you, you would not survive it. Living in gommieland required from you to be crafty son of a bich. You seems just like son of a bich.
fukken gommie
>>76425048
>It's a fact
You're so full of shit, when a 'fascist' or person that doesn't agree with leftism they get beaten the shit out of by groups like antifa, don't give me bullshit.
>>76425212
>I have an affordable computer, car, phone, [spoiler]rifle :^)[/spoiler], all because of industrialization. You have whatever device you were posting on for cheap because of industrialization.
Ok so you get like 1% of what you work for. You know Keynes said that we would only have to work 2 hours a week at current industrialization advancement by 2000? Sure you have some trinket toys but you don't own much real wealth like gold, land, a big house. In Communism everyone gets everything
>Do you take days off
Yeah because the government lets me, not my employers
>Do you have a home with a running shower to help find job interviews?
No I don't have running water 2/3 of the month
>>76425218
>crafty son of a bitch
LOL you just work in a field or in a factory and get a ton of wealth. That's not hard.
>>76424670
Are you joking? We needed people to leave so that the country could make money, WE WERE STARVING!
They only let us out to resume trade.
You spoiled Canadian fucking fag. I hate people like you, you act as if you know anything. I'd love to trade my childhood for yours, I bet you'd love living in a tiny room with no food most of the week.
Even though my father was a doctor we had nothing to eat. You disgust me.
You don't know what communism is like.
All you have is lefty faggots telling you how great it is.
I felt the system. I was lucky to escape.
>>76420381
I have a question:
is drinking orange juice before you brush your teeth the same as drinking orange juice after you brush your teeth?
>>76424396
middle class that is the self-designation of employees and small producers , now comfortable with their profits do not feel right calling themselves working class
A "commie" using a technology made possible by capitalism to praise communism... Irony of the best kind
>>76425693
>LOL you just work in a field or in a factory and get a ton of wealth
faggot who never experienced communism spotted.
protip. It never worked that way. Without blackmarket, foreign help and friends and family, you would be dead.
>t. man who survived gommieland
fukken gommies
>>76425776
No. Because orange juice taste like mint after... And your teeth are not clean after!
>>76425693
I don't know who keynes is but he sounds like he's full of shit. Maybe with robotics technology I could see that within 50-100 years?
These tools aren't trickets; I live my life with them. My rifle is certainly not a trinket, it's what's between me and your communist Utopia.
>Yeah because the government lets me, not my employers
I don't care. Use your days off to look for jobs, and keep yourself groomed. I'd imagine there are homeless shelters that have running showers, and a church would probably let you use one if they have it.
Get yourself showered and groomed, and look for a real actual job. That's a start
>>76425644
Anti-fascist only beats up groups that are violent with others
>>76425711
>Are you joking? We needed people to leave so that the country could make money, WE WERE STARVING!
How would leaving the country make money stupid? Do they send you out to bring money back
>You spoiled Canadian fucking fag. I hate people like you, you act as if you know anything. I'd love to trade my childhood for yours, I bet you'd love living in a tiny room with no food most of the week.
My childhood was shit. I'd love to trade mine for yours, I bet you weren't beaten the crap out of everyday at school
>Even though my father was a doctor we had nothing to eat. You disgust me.
You're disgusting. There are many people starving here.
>I felt the system. I was lucky to escape.
I felt capitalism dingus. I know the system.
>>76425776
First is better for you
>>76425847
My dad was in the top 10% bracket and always considered himself working class. He still worked his butt off to make some rich German banker rich.
>>76426106
See
>>76420381
>Why don't you stop using a computer then if you hate capitalism.
IDK why don't you stop driving on roads if you hate taxes, or stop using the internet if you hate socialism.
>>76426106
You like capitalism yet use the internet, a device made by government spending, oh the irony.
>>76426117
You are right. I know this too, this children are so blind, why?
I honestly don't understand how they made it past 11 years of age with these kinds of minds.
>>76426252
>Anti-fascist only beats up groups that are violent with others
Oh so Trump supporters leaving a rally or marching down a street? Oh so violent. I wonder why leftist always the ones who attack first.
>>76426117
I know communism, The Canadian Natives were communists and were never starving. They never knew Marx but followed his principals without knowing it.
>>76426175
>Don't know who keynes is
The most famous economist ever
>These tools aren't trickets; I live my life with them. My rifle is certainly not a trinket, it's what's between me and your communist Utopia.
In fascism no one is armed, in communism every man is armed - Marx
>I don't care. Use your days off to look for jobs, and keep yourself groomed. I'd imagine there are homeless shelters that have running showers, and a church would probably let you use one if they have it.
Get yourself showered and groomed, and look for a real actual job. That's a start
LOL where would I get a job with no fancy ivy degree.
Why do you want to fill my country with sandniggers?
>>76426530
Sure even though anti-fascist is in Europe and never beat up Trump supporters
>>76426419
>>76426117
I'm 99% sure you guys are neo-liberal shills.
>>76426650
Communists want me disarmed. That is a fact.
I would suggest any fast food place. Look into trade schools, Im sure your city is full of them
>>76426830
I don't. I believe in free traveling. They wouldn't need to go to your country if they weren't oppressed by a right-wing government system (islam).
>>76426419
because they never experienced that. We was the same in '20 (well, some of us, my grandpa was fucking badass commie slayer ułan during 19-21) until we experienced that
It worked in kindergarden (sharing is caring and other bulshit like this) so why would't it work in real life?
fukken gommies
>>76427037
>Communists want me disarmed. That is a fact.
One of the 10 planks of the manifesto was arming the population
>I would suggest any fast food place. Look into trade schools, Im sure your city is full of them
I got fired from Macdonalds for screwing up peoples orders and I failed trade school.
>>76426650
Natives were actually a good example of "Sustainability" Communism, I'll give you that, But they were "Prehistoric" too, Mhm? They never developed writing.
>>76427194
I don't care what the manifesto says. Communists (people who practice what they believe is communism) want me disarmed.
>I got fired from Macdonalds for screwing up peoples orders and I failed trade school.
Well maybe don't fucking do that?
>>76426117
>>76427161
BULLSHIT SPOTTED!
How would there be blackmarket in communism? The currency is not useful outside the country so what would you buy with it? And you weren't given very much so what would you buy on the market?
>>76426252
They opened the borders and allowed trade, go read a history book you halfwit.
Oh you felt capitalism? Real nice, guess what, I felt it too once I left Russia, I'm 54 now, and I had nothing but my hopes and dreams when I came to the U.S.
It was creel, and I was poor for years, but capitalism is nothing like communism.
Do you know why? Because I at least had a chance to succeed. But in Russia, I had nothing.
You really are naive.
>Not true, it advanced the countries it was in greatly. Russia under capitalism was worse than it under communism. Yes there was the famine but that was due to Nazi invasion, 100% of the resources had to go to the war. Communism in the 50s+ wasn't bad at all and if you look at pictures from the time it looked like New York.
Yeah, I'm from one of those countries. It advanced so greatly for us!
Russia was never capitalistic before
Are you denying holodomor and the deliberate starvation of millions of Ukrainians because Russia confiscated all their production and their very working tools? When the nazis entered Ukraine they were greeted as liberators by women, throwing flowers at the passing vehicles.
It wasn't bad afterwards because it was becoming more and more relaxed and it was still enjoying the war spoils.
>>76420381
>Liking George Soros
>An Anti Communist
...Tankies..
>>76420381
Do you have a picture of Lenin or Stalin, Mao or Kim Jun sun/jill/un?
>>76420381
>labor theory of value
> an iphone I created by a machine
> a mug is sculpted by a first grader. Who put effort into it.
> the mug costs more than the iPhone
>>76427336
Very good point friend! It would be very hard to make communism work in a civilized advanced country. I think it's possible with enough education. In communism government controls the media and can blast education of sharing 24/7
>>76424136
>The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one" - Spock
This is a bromide, why is he right in saying this?
>People can do whatever the hell they want in communism after work
So everyone has a computer or do I need to go take my neighbors so can shitpost?
>I am a pacifistic. No violence, but there will be police to prevent people from not sharing in a communistic society
You are not a pacifist just because some one else does the dirty work for you does not mean you are not responsible for that violence. This is like saying the guy ordering a hit is a pacifist.
My reasoning for individualism is simple. We are individual beings without personal experiences that cannot be experienced by others. No one else can live my life but me and as far as I know I only get one life. This makes that experience of life my highest value this why I reject collectivism. That is the short version anyway.
>>76421330
>oy blyat It's like anudda hoholodomor
>>76427629
Hail! Wish the best luck for your movement my friend. Meanwhile I'll consult my options and who knows, Maybe one day take part in the wheel!
>>76420381
I have got to hear this. Lurking
>>76427391
>I don't care what the manifesto says. Communists (people who practice what they believe is communism) want me disarmed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyJi78l6SUg
>Well maybe don't fucking do that?
And magically make my brain fast enough not to do that?
>>76427465
>They opened the borders and allowed trade, go read a history book you halfwit.
Read a history book dumbass, one that isn't written by the victors!
>Oh you felt capitalism? Real nice, guess what, I felt it too once I left Russia, I'm 54 now, and I had nothing but my hopes and dreams when I came to the U.S.
Awwww that's cute
>It was creel, and I was poor for years, but capitalism is nothing like communism.
I live in capitalism it sucks ass
>
Do you know why? Because I at least had a chance to succeed. But in Russia, I had nothing.
You can join the communist party and become rich
>>76427474
Sure even tho Nazis hated Slavs and the Slvas wouldn't want to die.
>>76427480
Soros isn't anti-communist
>>76427516
I have a tattoo of a worker on my arm
>>76427534
Because we live in, wait for it
CAPITALISM
>>76427161
I don't know what to say, honesty, I'm done with this thread. I have loved for 50 years. I have seen many things. All I can say is that in practice it is very different.
Hopefully this guy is a troll. He fills me with anger, comparing Russia to the west. Then again, on paper communism is a promise of heaven.
But believe me, it's hell.
>>76420381
Motherfucker read some fucking Adorno, Horkheimer, and Marcuse. Fucking RETARD. There are plenty of Marxists, and most of those of the Western school who arent fairy tale teleological faggots are aware that Leninist/Stalinist/Maoist communism is profoundly gay. Even Rosa Luxemburg - ALSO A FAGGOT - realized that Lenin was an authoritarian bourgeois shitlord. God DAMN it I hate you.
>>76427433
>How would there be blackmarket in communism?
You shitting me, right?
Ok, now i sure this is a bait. Just check what Pewex, Tuzex, or Topгcин or other shit like that was.
Our currency was worthless, dollars were gods.
>>76427962
You are a great comrade!
>>76427862
THIS!
>>76427649
>bromide
What? You mean the chemical?
>So everyone has a computer or do I need to go take my neighbors so can shitpost?
Everyone would get one
>You are not a pacifist just because some one else does the dirty work for you does not mean you are not responsible for that violence. This is like saying the guy ordering a hit is a pacifist.
In communism no one gets hurt tho
>My reasoning for individualism is simple. We are individual beings without personal experiences that cannot be experienced by others. No one else can live my life but me and as far as I know I only get one life. This makes that experience of life my highest value this why I reject collectivism. That is the short version anyway.
Well you can't do that in capitalism as the 1% get all the wealth making your whole life about working your ass off for them.
>>76428136
>Soros isn't anti-communist
why so?..
>>76428136
If you are too dumb - and I'm not memeing here - to work at mcdonalds or learn mechanics, there are government assistance programs to help you.
I'm also not watching a 15 video, because I want to keep up with a thread. How can you tell me communists won't take my guns when it happens every time?
Hi comrade, Louis from the PCR reporting in.
>>76428194
Your post is echoing so much I can't understand what you're saying.
Please explain to me how communism could work in the 21st Century, under the definition of Communism as: Common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money, and the state.
Let's just live in a system where we can't be armed, disagree or fight with the government, leave, are assigned work and areas to live, and are given food by the government, so everyone's equal!
...Oh, wait, that's prison.
>>76428165
I understand you, my friend. Communism is the worst plague that corrupted earth.
I meet some western younglings who believed in it. I tried to reason with them, but they are blind. Politics is more like a fanatic dogma for them. Im just happy that in my country teens still know suffering of communism.
I hope i would die before it change.
Or some nice americans borrow me some nice AR and case of ammo. I promise i would make good use of it.
fukken gommies
>>76428194
Who gives a fuck what idiots say?
>>76428248
Ok you're a troll. You didn't get dollars in communism. Bye
>>76428471
He funds anti-fascist
>>76428483
They let you keep your guns. It's a myth they stole them.
>>76428540
Welcome comrade
>>76428590
It just would
>>76428595
Sure. Lets live a system where we can't be armed, rich people get all the profits, you are a slave, have no rights, and the government can do whatever they want
Oh right, that's prison AKA capitalism.
>>76429049
>it's a myth they stole them
Source, please?
>>76429021
I'd let you fire my AK if I could, polebro
>>76428595
To be fair this is a pretty moronic comment
>>76429049
Which ones?
He's no lefty in my eyes.
>>76429156
I linked you a vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyJi78l6SUg
>>76420381
OP is 100% guaranteed to be a retarded faggot who has never lived under communism
Ask ANYONE from Poland, Czech Republic, Russia or other Iron Curtain countries how shitty it was under the Commies
And kill yourself, Leaf
>>76429325
>>76429325
Piers Morgan isn't a source. Got any articles?
>>76429314
He gives money to anti-fascist, it's one group.
>>76429391
Ask anyone who lived in a black ghetto what it's like.
>And kill yourself, Leaf
I did try to kill myself years ago but failed and was sentenced to a Ward, if I try again I will be be held Indefinitely and possibly imprisoned. That is one of the ways fascism still is around us.
>>76420381
What year do you graduate?
>>76429525
What? I never said it was Piers Morgan. Skip to 35 seconds in you will get the proof.
>>76429570
Not telling
>>76420381
I have no questions, but I came here to say that I find the fact that you follow a fundamentally flawed ideology with a body count only matched by perhaps Islam to be absolutely hilarious, made even more amusing by the literal mountains of evidence of all the death and misery.
Communism will continue to fail because of the inability of any govt who takes it on to factor in human nature.
Human nature. Thats why communism doesnt work, and thats why the inevitable outcome is always death and misery.
Communism is prolonged death.
>>76429021
My heart goes out to you. You really get what I'm saying. I prefer capitalism as a system, but I'm not a shill.
It has many flaws, at least it's not a scam, not as much of a scam as communism.
>>76429049
>Ok you're a troll. You didn't get dollars in communism. Bye
No, you fucking earn them.
FUCK, i know you are a fucking troll, but im done.
>>76429759
Shill alert
>>76429805
Enjoy your ban troll.
>>76420381
>>76420381
>Russia under capitalism was worse than it under communism
You mean Russia under a poor/peasant monarchy/dictatorship was worse than Russia under a rich/worldpower monarchy/dictatorship?
killyourself
>>76430072
I did try to kill myself years ago but failed and was sentenced to a Ward, if I try again I will be be held Indefinitely and possibly imprisoned. That is one of the ways fascism still is around us.
>>76429525
A fat mouthbreather on youtube isn't a source. I need an actual source that the information that communists DONT take guns.
Not that that matters, because leftists in the US want them anyway; something I regularly experience with my own two eyes.
>>76429557
>thrown in the loony bin
>now a communist
Well. I guess that explains it. I really have no more questions now. Thanks OP.
If communism isn't a failed ideology, how do you explain this?
>>76429762
>You really get what I'm saying
I got it, because i also experienced that. This fucking leaf shitposter did not.
>>76429156
Thanks, Amerifriend. I'm not joking, if there would be ever another occasion to shoot some gommies, count me in. I would ever pay for that.
Fukken gommies
A
>>76429928
>shill alert
You sure showed the power of the communist intellect in deconstructing my arguments. Well done fag.
>>76430222
I'm not suicidal anymore
>>76430269
GNP doesn't mean shit. It means the the GDP per person. Capitalistic countries have higher GDP but the rich take all the resources while in communism it's divided among the people
>>76430392
sure bud
when, if at all, do you plan on moving out of your parent's basement?
>>76420914
I guess it kind depends on how you contextually define and quantify work, but I put a lot of work into my art, and I find it to be valuable. My total number of hours spent making an art piece would probably be less than building something or some other commie activity, so I don't know if Mr. Marx deems my creation more valuable or not. Either way, I'm not a commie fagit like op. I just wanted to respond to your post.
>>76430337
FUCKING
>>76429759
>implying that capitalism has caused 0 deaths
>human nature relates to the objective situation rather than some ingrained shit
et tu brutus?
>>76430599
LEAF
>>76428436
>What? You mean the chemical?
Is google to capitalist to use comrade?
> Everyone would get one
Oh? How? Look at any country ever who have tried this philosophy. They are not exactly wealthy or have much in the form of material goods.
>In communism no one gets hurt tho
History shows otherwise. It is simple to predict the outcome as well. For example I don't want to play along, how do you make me? That's right, with violence, weather it be a killing or imprisoning me.
>Well you can't do that in capitalism as the 1% get all the wealth making your whole life about working your ass off for them.
I already do it friend. I work , I make money, I spend that money to make my life better using my own judgement. Cronyism is not capitalism in the first place. In any case there will be people who have a lot of wealth in an actual freemarket setting. Equality of outcome is not the purpose, as it requires violence to enforce.
>>76430494
The current situation of eastern Europe (i.e. being a shithole) is the direct result of communism being implemented.
>>76420381
>>76420381
Saged.
>>76429049
>it just would
Great explanation. This really made me view communism in a new light.
But really, my #1 issue with Communists and Socialists is that you NEVER explain how the fuck you would make it work. All communists and socialists are good for, is acting as a HIGHLY effective and efficient organization, that points out flaws in the Capitalist world, so that we may address it, without sacrificing our economic freedom. Credit where credit is due, you're doing a good job, and I'm glad that we have leftist to constantly talk about climate change, wealth inequality, etc; because as a Libertarian, I almost always agree with your criticism of real tangible and measurable issues. You push the agenda, you try to sell Communism as a solution, but along comes the private investors and visionaries, who the makes a fortune on your your initial complaining.
But that's all you do. I know why you don't try to explain Communism when also accounting for human nature though and the actual condition of the planet, it kinda conflicts.
>>76430541
I live in an apartment dumbfuck
>>76430557
LOL ARTIST! FAGGOT ALRET
>>76430745
>Is google to capitalist to use comrade?
I googled it and got a chemical?
>Oh? How? Look at any country ever who have tried this philosophy. They are not exactly wealthy or have much in the form of material goods.
A lot richer than the capitalist west
>History shows otherwise. It is simple to predict the outcome as well. For example I don't want to play along, how do you make me? That's right, with violence, weather it be a killing or imprisoning me.
There will be reeducation centers to fix peoples minds who still unhealthily hold on to capitalism
>I already do it friend. I work , I make money, I spend that money to make my life better using my own judgement. Cronyism is not capitalism in the first place. In any case there will be people who have a lot of wealth in an actual freemarket setting. Equality of outcome is not the purpose, as it requires violence to enforce.
How much you make? I bet you can't do what you really want.
>>76430494
Kudos, shitleafposter. Even when i knew you are a troll, you "triggered" me, well done.
Still, i hope that like every good commie, you would die of starvation in fucking gulag.
Thanks to everyone who was not fucking retard in this tread, especially our dear Ameribros and Thailandposter. I hope we all will meet when commieslaying will again become a thing.
>>76430819
>implying it wasn't always a shithole
>>76430860
That's photoshopped!
>>76430949
That's against the rules, enjoy ban
>>76430494
>communists are mental midgets and cannot argue or debate like a proper adult
What an informative thread. Ive sure learned alot about communism and the brain damaged non-thinkers who blindly follow it.
>>76420381
>historically the most tyrannical governments were the most nationalistic
You are really really stupid
>>76430630
Caused less deaths than communism.
>>76420381
After the revolution of the proletariat occurs, how do you create a socialist government that A.) has a state-run economy that doesn't stagnate after a few decades nor is plagued by shortages, and B.) that slowly dismantles itself and returns power to the people?
No government in the history of the world has ever worked to lessen its power, how will this be different?
No commie has ever, EVER given me a realistic answer other than "dude its totally possible everyone will act completely rationally and will work together."
Why haven't you killed yourself for being a massive failure?
why are you retards replying to this OBVIOUS troll.
How new are you?
>>76430973
Very good response. I will explain the best I can. After the revolution the first thing is re-education centers open up to get rid of the idea of capitalism in peoples minds. They will be educated to share, not be greedy, be nice, all that. Law enforcement won't be needed because a new culture around sharing will develop. The State will then get smaller and smaller until you have communism.
>>76431061
>compare vicims of communism(about80-90 mln) to victims of capitalism
>>76431125
We were richer than Spain.
>>76431134
Sure buddy, you totally are a good debater even though when presented with logic you just spam "COMMIE WAHHHH".
But seriously you should learn history.
>>76431004
You're only not blocked from the thread because you are getting banned soon for trolling
>>76431311
You're an obvious troll, enjoy your ban
>>76431396
You're right. 90mil is nothing to 1 billion caused by capitalism
>>76431443
BULLSHIT
>>76430949
Why? This is a legitimate thread. We are getting flooded with Record Correcters and lebbiters. This guy isn't right but he's inarguably talking about politics.
If you like communism so much, why dont you go live in North Korea or Venezuela?
Why havent you still shared your belongings with your comrades?
>>76431700
>ban
>implying you have any powers.
>leafposters are the worst.
you are as much of a shitposter as that one medkit in brexit threads.
>>76431339
Capitalism will achieve Communism by itself before the revolution happens m8.
>>76431291
>why havent you killed yourself for being a massive failure
Because hes such a massive failure that he would scew it up again and would be sent to a ward or imprisoned and blah blah blah
>>76425776
Is this some deep comment on communism trying to cut straight to an ideal (a more equal society) without working long and hard to brush up our culture first, so that a society that spreads is resources fairly to its countrymen is genuinely desired?
I.e. Pointing out he's got his shit back to front?
>>76420381
When will you kill your self? You have been spamming /pol/ with commie shit for years. Nobody cares about your autism you kike loving autist.
>>76431880
If you troll you get banned
>>76431763
Exactly this.
If you want a nazi circlejerk there are better sites surely.
>>76420381
>Yes there was the famine but that was due to Nazi invasion, 100% of the resources had to go to the war. Communism in the 50s+ wasn't bad at all and if you look at pictures from the time it looked like New York.
Famine was before, during and after the nazi invasion. The reason why is because the State cannot handle or administer it's resources in the most efficient fashion, compared to the hard working farmer who harvests his crop to gain money in a capitalistic society. Also, if you look at actual pictures of Soviet Russia in the 1950's, you'll see it was a complete shithole with bland worker's apartments, hardly any trees in the cities, and none to little parks or other environmental services. You have to look outside old-time era soviet propaganda leaflets to get a real sense of what Soviet Russia really looked and felt like.
>>76431216
War, Pollution, Famine, the Profit driven health industry to name but a few things which, when tallied up would dwarf the 'communist deaths', I'm not denying that the USSR may have killed a lot of people, but don't be so sure that capitalism has killed less.
I feel as though you're parroting some sort of affirmation that capitalism > communism because you've never really read up on the topic yourself other than le ebil ussr.
>>76432216
says the pot to the kettle.
sieg heil und auf wiedersehen.
>>76431339
>Re-education centers remove capitalist ideas
So brainwashing people to believe in your ideology is fine.
>The state will get smaller and smaller
Why would I, a card carrying member of the party, willingly give up all my power and a comfortable lifestyle to work in a factory.
holy shit commies are mentally ill
>>76431874
If you love capitalism go to Somalia
>>76431918
That's the spirit comrade!
>>76432005
Fuck off
>>76431291
I did try to kill myself years ago but failed and was sentenced to a Ward, if I try again I will be be held Indefinitely and possibly imprisoned. That is one of the ways fascism still is around us.
>>76431002
>I googled it and got a chemical?
A bromide is a phrase or platitude that, having been employed excessively, suggests insincerity or a lack of originality in the speaker
>A lot richer than the capitalist west
This is starting to look like bait. The US even with all of it's debt and the regressive socialist leaning government is still one of the largest and richest economies even in our death throes.
>There will be reeducation centers to fix peoples minds who still unhealthily hold on to capitalism
Again you are using force to corral people and you will have to torture them until they tow the party line.
This is disgusting.
>How much you make? I bet you can't do what you really want.
I make enough for now. I have aspirations that I am working towards and obtaining them on my own judgement and work will make it that much more rewarding in the end. I do not think it is ok to make others work for my future and happiness. There is a word for that, it's called slavery.
>>76432310
No says the communist to the troll.
>>76432123
I did try to kill myself years ago but failed and was sentenced to a Ward, if I try again I will be be held Indefinitely and possibly imprisoned. That is one of the ways fascism still is around us.
>>76423760
>fascists are so violent
Leaf.. you should really stop with that jew ideology.
>>76431874
North Korea= Juche
Venezuela= Still a capitalist country with a socialist government currently in power
your point being?
>>76432509
Now that's bait. The socialist leaning government is why it got rich. You're disgusting!
>>76432384
>I did try to kill myself years ago but failed and was sentenced to a Ward, if I try again I will be be held Indefinitely and possibly imprisoned. That is one of the ways fascism still is around us.
This is comedy gold
>>76431700
Ok, im still not sleep already. Do anyone have this old pic of russian emigrant whose father was in russian political police? This one with commisioner Cletus and Jamal?
And tell me this leafposter. If communism was that good, why people run to capitalist countries, not otherwise?
Actually i have family in alberta who escaped in late '70.
>>76432616
Hitler and Leopold killed more than Pol pot.
>>76431874
Also, you don't seem to grasp the idea of what private property is as opposed to personal property.
No communist revolutionary is coming for your cheese puff stained mousemat
>>76420381
No single person would ever constitute the 1950s as a very nice time for communism.
There's a reason why the wall fell.
>>76432728
It's not funny
>>76432643
Also Venezuela was destroyed by the CIA
>>76432741
Other way around people fled to communist countries. There was a famous Canadian doctor who fled to China to help Mao.
>>76420381
What do you think of Yuri Bezmenov ?
>>76432786
THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>76432792
Everyone including you would.
>>76420381
Did you use a crayon to paint a Hammer and Sickle onto your safety helmet?
>>76432920
>Venezuela was destroyed by the CIA
Wew lad you commies really do absorb every conspiracy theory the government makes up to defend your failed ideology
>>76432920
Plus Chavez wasn't willing to move forward, class consciousness had accelerated so far forward post 2002. Reminds me a lot of Allende if I'm honest. Not bashing either but there were a number of clear mistakes made.
>>76431237
>>76431237
>>76431237
still waiting on that response OP
>>76432384
Somalia wasnt ruined by capitalism, but by islamic niggers.
>>76432643
Answer my second question.
>>76432384
>If you love capitalism go to Somalia
I'm already in it
>>76433160
>government makes up
The government is doing everything it can to hide these theories. You are gobbling up the government propaganda that free markets work
>>76433116
MISES
>>76432920
>its not funny
How is it not?
>>76432920
>Other way around people fled to communist countries. There was a famous Canadian doctor who fled to China to help Mao.
Name.
And i don't deny, there were some morons who bought this fairy tale of promised gommieland, but as far as i know, most of ther run away to their homeland again.
And don't even compare numers mate, whoever could, escaped to the west, but it was hard as fuck.
Jesus, leafposters really are the best shitposters, i still respond to him. Is this some maple magic?
>>76433287
I did.
It's ok, you'll grow out of it.
>>76433172
True, you are very right about that. He wasn't perfect but he wasn't evil
>>76433217
Sorry you made a good question. Was responding to the idiots.
The answer is simple. Have it democractically run. If Trotsky got power instead of Lenin he would of made it democratically run and therefor people can vote the government smaller.
>>76422432
>Nazbolism
Hmmmmm.....really makes you think huh
>>76432384
>That's the spirit comrade!
But that's the thing. If you really want the communist utopia, or the closest approximation of it, you'd be a capitalist.
There's no way you're gonna get away with a communist society until we have made the work, with the exception of the most very high skilled jobs at that time, completely and utterly obsolete. Right to the point where the market is hurt the lack of available jobs for even the upper-middle class and down.
At that point, a form of singularity, we can talk about the communist era beginning. Until then, attempts at excessive redistribution will inevitably be a delay for the "true" communism.
>>76432653
>Now that's bait. The socialist leaning government is why it got rich. You're disgusting!
The most productivity and growth in the US was at the turn of the 19th century before most of our large government social programs or safety nets.
So I am not sure what you are talking about.
If you want to understand where I am coming from read up on Aristotle. He has some solid ideas on individualism and what the purpose of life might be. I have read Kant, Marx and Engles because understanding view points is important. I find their ideas do not try to work with our nature as individuals and this is largely why I don't agree with them. It is not the governmental system I am arguing against directly. I am arguing against the philosophy that give rise to this economic/political system.
>>76433320
Because it's fascist
>>76433287
Venusala isn't communist it's socialist.
>>76433383
Ok you're a troll, anyone moronic enough to dislike communism would be too stupid to use a computer.
>>76433412
Please grow up.
>>76433319
>not an argument
>>76420381
>>Do you believe in globalism
>Yes, People are scared of a NWO or something but historically the most tyranical governments were the most nationalistic
>>Do you like (((George Soros)))
>Yes, I used to dislike him before learning who he was. He is against political corruption, the drug war, mass incarceration, corporations dodging taxes, and anti-fascist
Kill yourself.
>>76420381
>Ask a Communist anything
No
Sage this thread you fucks
>>76433407
Yeah, saw it.
So my point is that the item wont even come to me so it can be stealen.
>>76432384
>If you love capitalism go to Somalia
If you love communism so much go to Vietnam.
>>76433578
>The most productivity and growth in the US was at the turn of the 19th century before most of our large government social programs or safety nets.
So the rich people got a lot richer before the big government? That's whgat im getting at here
>If you want to understand where I am coming from read up on Aristotle. He has some solid ideas on individualism and what the purpose of life might be. I have read Kant, Marx and Engles because understanding view points is important. I find their ideas do not try to work with our nature as individuals and this is largely why I don't agree with them. It is not the governmental system I am arguing against directly. I am arguing against the philosophy that give rise to this economic/political system.
Read Plato dude, he was better than Aristotle and was a communist.
>>76420381
When are you going to grow up?
>>76433472
How does one vote to make government smaller? What do you mean by this? Explain in detail.
You still haven't addressed my question in regards to the economy.
>>76433691
I did try to kill myself years ago but failed and was sentenced to a Ward, if I try again I will be be held Indefinitely and possibly imprisoned. That is one of the ways fascism still is around us.
>>76433711
Enjoy ban, that's against the rules
>>76433740
You first go to Cambodia
>>76433818
Please grow up freak.
>>76420381
>Russia under capitalism was worse than it under communism. Yes there was the famine but that was due to Nazi invasion, 100% of the resources had to go to the war. Communism in the 50s+ wasn't bad at all
No, you dumbass. If you know history of USSR you won't write this shit.
>>76433877
Where are you experiencing fascism in Canada of all places?
>>76433841
The economy will work because government run economies work better.
People will vote because government will be a direct democracy
>>76433974
You need to read some history of USSR
>>76434006
The medical industry is fascist. They wouldn't let me kill myself in my early 20s when I tried.
>>76433732
And why wouldn't this item come to you?..
>>76433612
>Ok you're a troll, anyone moronic enough to dislike communism would be too stupid to use a computer.
Ok, i will lower your ranking. Now you are 3/10 shitposter.
Shame, you did have great beggining.
Well, Fuck off leaf.
Good night everyone else, i need to get some sleep before ill go to my glorious capitallist work.
>>76433612
How do you justify all the deaths and destruction caused by people attempting to establish communism ?
/thread/
>>76433877
I ain't moving no where, I am in my capitalistic society, what about go to yours there is a huge range of communist 3rd world countries. You should live in one.
>>76434174
Well you're getting banned, you're not even an amusing troll
>>76434245
Strawman
>>76434053
> No, I know more for the USSR than you. Not because you actually lived there, but because I just know it.
>>76433746
>So the rich people got a lot richer before the big government? That's whgat im getting at here
And the standard of living for all people went up with that of the rich people. Even the poor during that time had luxuries that in other places the poor could only dream off. Even now the poor in america are still the most well off and wealthy int he world. Almost all of us have homes, gaming consoles, cable tv, the internet, cars, you name it people have access. This is my point yeah we have the richest rich people and with that the richest poor people as well. Ill take this over everyone being poor.
>Read Plato dude, he was better than Aristotle and was a communist.
I have read Plato and I disagree with him for essentially the same reasons. Ill pass on the idae of philosopher kings who know best for me. He ignores the individual nature personhood.
>>76434357
So you enjoy your socialism (roads, internet, all that) but won't admit it.
>>76434393
Because i research it but sure
>>76434375
Wasn't I supposed to ask you anything ? Or will you simply refuse to answer ?
>>76434438
>And the standard of living for all people went up with that of the rich people. Even the poor during that time had luxuries that in other places the poor could only dream off. Even now the poor in america are still the most well off and wealthy int he world. Almost all of us have homes, gaming consoles, cable tv, the internet, cars, you name it people have access. This is my point yeah we have the richest rich people and with that the richest poor people as well. Ill take this over everyone being poor.
LOL no. The standard of living only started going up in the 1920s due to Woodrow Wilsons Central Bank act.
>I have read Plato and I disagree with him for essentially the same reasons. Ill pass on the idae of philosopher kings who know best for me. He ignores the individual nature personhood.
That's a good point.
>>76434558
I'm going to respond that those mass killings were propaganda but you'd mock me for it
>>76434708
probably because you can't prove they didn't happen, likewise he could probably prove that they did. And by prove, I mean post sources
>>76434527
Not an argument.You just cant know what is life somewhere just by reading about it.
>>76434334
/thread
How do you convince a traditionalist that communism is a good ideology when many communists are militant atheists and thus oppose cultures that had been previously established in their countries?
>>76434490
I pay for roads with taxes and pay the internet with bills dipshit.
>>76434807
I have sources too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e8CXWEAf-w
>>76434824
Yeah it's called youtube. Look up Jason Unruhe
>>76434842
How do the Jews benefit by communism? If they really do own all the banks they'd lose their money.
>>76434708
So my great-grandfather who was an officer and his other colleagues in the King's army being killed for serving their duty was propaganda ?
Is the Holodomor also propaganda ?
>>76434924
Communism is the most cultural. We believe in building libararies to store all different cultures. A lot of traditionalists believe mixing people on earth mongrelizes and destroys culture. Marxists disagree, we say mixing two countries together culturally doubles the culture and gives it each more culture. That's why a traditionalist should support communism, not only can you spread your culture everywhere but you get to enjoy others.
>>76420381
Why do you assume all people are equal, when they aren't?
>>76435013
Internet was created via socialism dumbfuck.
>>76435028
stop posting that fat fucking mouthbreather.
give me a SOURCE
>>76435051
Yes.
>>76435238
We aren't all equal. That's why the government should make us all equal.
>>76435259
Jason isn't a mouth breather and he isn't fat he's average weight and you're a mouth breather. He does his research for that video he read half of a book written by a collection of people in China at the time.
>>76435028
>Internet was created via socialism dumbfuck.
Explain.
>>76435285
What about this ?
>>76435285
>Communism dindu nuffins
