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Catholics, Orthodox, and Protestants alike are welcome to discuss theology. Try to be polite.
Atheists also welcome, but try to be constructive.
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Sunday, June 7, 2016
Good Scenes to watch
>Jesus Anime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d-uB0vaoQo [Embed]
>Jesus of Nazareth Sermon on the Mount:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDCbJ4vnMNg [Embed]
>Jesus chases Jews out of the Temple
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEtBs6j7QgU [Embed]
>Jesus gives sight to the Blind....and takes sight from those who can see
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY7vamVg99E [Embed]
>Roman Centurion has more faith than anyone in Israel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNLSBjYDPko [Embed]
>Ben Hur scenes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVlf7OiiTJE [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbt2UUthWg0 [Embed]
>Why Atheists shouldn't discourage Christianity even if they don't believe in it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqQdc0mX1_c [Embed]
>Thread Theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5YEKO04RDI [Embed]
Wow what the fuck I'm a #CrossMissile now, really makes you think.
>>76415930
> or only to saints
we don't pray to saints, we ask them to pray for us. Basically we pray WITH saints, not to them. It's like if you meet with a friend and you pray together, except that friend is in heaven
> I think I heard something like that, that normal catholics aren't worthy of praying straight to god so they need a relay. Is that true?
You should stop listening to prottie propaganda. Of course we pray to God.
>can people pray directly to God or is it only through Jesus, otherwise he won't listen because you aren't worthy?
Jesus is God. So if you pray to Jesus you are also praying to God.
>>76416005
>t you put Mary on the same pedestal you put Jesus on
we don't. We honour Mary in virtue of her relationship with Christ. All we believe about Mary, is a reflection of her relationship with him. None of the way we honour her comes from her personally as a person, except her obedience to the Lord's commands and plans for her.
>you even bring up Jesus when talking about people who sinned like that's even possible
I don't, don't twist my words. You claimed that a verse from Romans was literal. I pointed out to you that according to your logic, by being litera, since Jesus was not just God but also a man, claiming that all "men" have sinned would make him a sinner too. I wasn't advocating the idea at all, just pointing out the flaws in your argument.
>>76416244
>I'm only giving you the literal definitions of the word and the synonyms thereof.
k
>And none them allude to the nature of literally being sinless.
Except they do
>I agree with most of your post, but there is no hard evidence to suggest that Luke 1:28 uses the word 'graced' to mean 'being literally sinless'. It is simply goes against the definition of the word used.
They evidence is in the way it is used in Ephesians and the fact that Ephesians is the only other instance in which it occurs like that.
>>76416662
repent
>>76416753
>it occus like that
*in which it occurs, period.
>>76416994
I think red is the blood of Christ and white His purity.
Just remember that Jesus is the only way to the Father and to the kingdom of heaven
He loves you all, and may God bless you all on this earth and in heaven :D
>>76418223
we pray to God
even in churches we pray to God
the first prayer we are taught is The Lord's Prayer
>>76418223
I answered here >>76416753
>>76418223
also to answer your second question
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+6%3A9-13
If you're not Orthodox, you're doing it wrong.
>>76419124
>the patriarch is wanting a crusade against islam
*tips feet*
m'infallibility
>>76399818
And other things in other threads
So what to do about this whole thing? AN idea [] There could be a better one [] is to approach other Christians about it. Or the ones who do this sort of thing.
If it gets enough agreement, it can be a civilizedly filed complaint in churches. And a church leader can do something about it.
It is probably real. No one is happy as things are now.
>>76419427
KEKTHODOX BTFO
>>76420015
*tips KJV*
>>76419427
Well, he's not wrong. We can certainly learn something from them when it comes to piety, especially protestants.
>>76418724
You accused me of twisting your words in that post and then accused me of saying something when that was my first time posting in the thread and didn't say anything close to what you said lol
But whatever. I won't be nitpicky with you anymore. I just think it's funny how you do the same things you accuse others of doing
>>76416588
All of this irrelevant though and I wish everybody could just remember that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are divine, and they're in everyone and everything including us. Jesus is the only way into heaven. His sacrifice on the cross trumps everything and he overcame the world. And through him and only him, we can too. If you believe this, it doesn't matter what denomination you call yourself. As long as you believe in Christ's sacrifice above all else
>>76420954
>You accused me of twisting your words in that post and then accused me of saying something when that was my first time posting in the thread and didn't say anything close to what you said lol
I didn't check the ID. I don't understand then in what way did I associate Jesus with sin. Elaborate on that and I will answer your doubts
Protestants are not Christians
Low IQ Italian shitposts his own "faith". Fucking ingenious.
>>76418223
We pray only to God. We ask saints for their intercession, so it's like asking a friend to pray for you.
>>76422121
You shouldn't ask other people to pray for you - you're being selfish. God's Will *shall* be done.
Can we not start another Catholic-Protestant shitpost war? It deters people that are curious about the faith to post.
I invite you all to not give (you)s to niggerteom
Thank you
>>76421403
I guess technically you didn't. It just seems weird to me that you would even have to clarify that Jesus didn't sin. I thought this was a given and one of the main points of Christianity. That was the only point I was making and I'm pretty sure you could comprehend that. (though maybe not) This is just more nitpicking and you seem to do it somewhat often. I feel it distracts from actual conversation if you pretend that everything people say is to be taken literally
>>76422651
this x1000
>>76422651
Nice "filter".
Almost as honest as your "theology".
>>76416588
explain why christianity is not another backwards middle eastern religion
>>76422469
But how about this.>>76420321
I think it looks weighted. If it is, it is because this is contracted by Christianity everywhere.
>>76423019
Qualify "backwards" and what qualifies as "not-backwards" or "forwards".
>>76422121
>We pray only to God. We ask saints for their intercession, so it's like asking a friend to pray for you.
with a HUUUGE difference, saints dies, and if you say that peopel dont pray to siants you are lying - catholcis often pray to specific saints for specific purspouses
>>76422469
Not until every single one heretic will not repent and unite with One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church.
>>76416588
how's that satanic nwo religion coming along for you roman catholics? say goodbye to christianity, same as all mudslimes will have to say goodby to that pedofuck alluh or whatever his name is. you will a bow down to satan in the future. one shitty deal, lol. you're going extinct suckers :)
>feels good to be one of the 144 thousand
>>76423202
why are you, as an american, praying to a god of the middle east?
>>76423019
>explain why christianity is not another backwards middle eastern religion
it landed a man on the moon, pagans were wite niggers btw
>>76422469
>>76423118
I mean look at what your idea contracts. It is like an abuse that goes on and on and on... This can't be realistic.
>>76422688
>It just seems weird to me that you would even have to clarify that Jesus didn't sin
I didn't have to do it. As I said in my other post when I thought you were the other anon I was responding to, I simply mentioned it to point out the flawed arguments used against the sinlessness of Mary.
>That was the only point I was making and I'm pretty sure you could comprehend that. (though maybe not)
I can but it is a stupid point to make? This discussion wasn't about that, and I didn't mention Jesus sinlessness as a focal point of discussion. Actually the other anons did, with their "Jesus din't sin!!! Mary did!". It seems to me you are moved by feeling rather than by reason in these objections.
> This is just more nitpicking and you seem to do it somewhat often
I am not nitpicking anything. It is you who are making a big deal out of literally nothing
>I feel it distracts from actual conversation if you pretend that everything people say is to be taken literally
I didn't pretend that person was being literal. The person was being literal, period. He used a cherrypicked verse and said "see? no man, NO MAN". Clearly trying to use a verse in not only a literal but absolute way to justify his flawed theology. I merely followed the premises of his reasoning to show him the flaw in it. Hence how Jesus and sin were mentioned in the same sentence. Hope this clarifies it.
>>76423417
Answer my question so I can answer yours.
Qualify "backwards" and "not-backwards/forwards".
>>76423290
>>76423338
>>feels good to be one of the 144 thousand
you are so humble anon, good for you
>>76423290
>Not until every single one heretic will not repent and unite with One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church.
HERETIC!!!
YOU SHOULD UNITE WITH THE One, Holy, cOPTIC, Apostolic Church.
REPENT
Vive le Roi!
>>76423257
>saints dies
And? Credo in sanctam Ecclesiam catholicam,
sanctorum COMMUNIONEM
>>76423736
If you are within the Apostolic tradition then we are all brothers and sister. It is the protestant deceivers outside the tradition who we should all unite against
>>76423736
HERETIC!
YOU SHOULD UNITE WITH THE ONE, HOLY, AND RICH IN VITAMINS CHURCH OF COUNT CHOCULA!
REPENT!
>>76417404
John 14:
"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
>>76423939
>And? Credo in sanctam Ecclesiam catholicam,
>sanctorum COMMUNIONEM
u wot m8? praying to anyone other than God is polytheism/paganism that crept into christianity durign time, same thing happened to the OT nation of Israel numerous time as is describe in the book of Judged and Jesus himself spoke about that when talkign to pharisees
>>76424281
14:6*
>>76424060
Instantiate protestants as deceivers without appealing to authority/tradition, or instantiate the cucklic church as *not* being deceivers without doing the same.
>>76416588
Does a confession count if I post it here?
>>76424430
The only one you need confess to is God or those people your sin has affected.
>>76424060
>If you are within the Apostolic tradition then we are all brothers and sister. It is the protestant deceivers outside the tradition who we should all unite against
Protestantism saved Christiantiy and is the most pristine and primitive or if you will Apostolic sect of Christianity.
>>76424692
>b-but muh tradition!
>b-but my circular reasoning!
C u c k l i c s
>>76424692
>Protestantism saved Christiantiy and is the most pristine and primitive or if you will Apostolic sect of Christianity.
(you)
>>76416588
Afshin Javid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2-L1KIU7lao
Ian MacCormack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CsbQeCYJ0Do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=N1-ezZ9hkD8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WLoc1yDYzlo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HbTAmN4m2lQ
Bill Wiese
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RoYCUtIRP30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=G13ArSGr4es
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7rQow8NzZo Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NX3Ow_VEkuM Part 2
Tamara Laroux
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HGQDkCi-OIY
Mickey Robinson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xRSjzY0s0SM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=s66DchGhhD0
Howard Storm Atheist Professor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8vj0qKthCgg
Atheist Dr. Donald Whitaker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=X54dYbfCSR4
A dying mans last message
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=TeE2xg3REtA
Ex-satanist confession
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=6l7A4cQHxuY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZOj76xrG62k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BY6xD4dl1x8
Ugandan Pastor Shocked he would not enter Heaven
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nnM_NtZfQTM
Orthodox Priests in a cave monastery
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=FcvPDNz9xHo
>>76423338
A bit harsh lad, but I think you have the right idea of the direction Catholocism is heading
You almost definitely aren't one of the 144,000 though. I recommend you re-read revelation or watch some different videos that discuss that part. More than 144,000 people are getting into heaven, they are just the chosen out of the chosen, if that makes sense. You might be a virgin idk (which is a requirement) but I doubt you were a member of one of the 12 tribes of Israel
>>76424822
>b-but muh tradition!
yeah its kind of ironic, protestantism actually is the most traditional and by far the most simple/primite thologically yet most right wing traditionlsit go with catholicism which is quite progresseive/humanistic. same is obvious in art like pic rel.
>>76424908
dont copy paste - contribute!
>>76425328
>dont copy paste - contribute!
What do you mean?
>>76424692
It ruined Christianity! Protestantism is more like McChristianity, it is Christianity with fewer calories. Compare the art that came from Orthodox and Catholic churches to the fucking Jesus Junk that Protestants buy weekly for a "love Gift" of 9.99 from TBN. Compare the music that came from Catholicism to the bullshit Christian rock music protestants produce.
>>76424822
>>76425328
>catholicism which is quite progresseive/humanistic
in terms of theology offcourse, its also more liberal and that by a mile (Pope said Muslims can get saved without faith in Jesus etc)
>>76425328
Their blatant dishonesty disgusts me.
>apostolic succession is valid because tradition establishes it is
>tradition is valid because church authorities affirm it to be
>church authorities are valid because of apostolic succession
Fuck off Catholic weasel-shits with your absolutely abominable circular reasoning. *No one should *EVER* take you seriously*.
>>76425328
>yeah its kind of ironic, protestantism actually is the most traditional
Where is your Apostolic Succession buddy?
>>76425605
How does any of that mean Protestantism ruined the message of Christianity? Also you know Protestant churches vary widely right?
It's very telling that Catholics place more importance on art and music than on the gift of salvation through faith
>>76425795
>apostolic succession is valid because tradition establishes it is
Apostolic Succession is valid because the Founder of the Chruch said it was.
>>76425605
>Compare the music that came from Catholicism to the bullshit Christian rock music protestants produce.
Exibit A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohRY7WNqGJY
Christian rock sucks, with that I agree
>>76425795
>circular reasoning.
yea, I follow, but protestants tend to fall for that when explaining the Cannon (Gods word is on Earth as is said in the bible, Bible is the Gods word because he would allow otherwise -ive heard peopel argue that)
>>76426054
>Apostolic Succession
what that? has Jesus based his work during his lfietime on smth liek that?
>>76426257
>It's very telling that Catholics place more importance on art and music than on the gift of salvation through faith
Maybe we don't because we know that salvation is through grace, you protestant fuckwit
Guys!! Stop arguing :(
Can't we all just agree that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the light?
>>76426532
>Maybe we don't because we know that salvation is through grace
but that is ABC of protestant theology, fundamental baptist theology basicallly
>>76426659
>Can't we all just agree that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the light?
YES
E
S
>>76426307
>Apostolic Succession is valid because the Founder of the Chruch said it was
... who "had authority" because he was an apostle, otherwise his establishment of such would not be valid.
If you're trying to refer to Christ Himself, you can't verify Christ was the founder of cuclicks. Matthew 16:18 doesn't cut it in any world.
You can't break the chain of absurdity.
>>76426659
This!
>>76426532
>>76426842
>salvation is through grace
*trough faith
>>76426373
I don't I'm I'm a protestant, but yes I'd agree many do.
>>76426532
Yes, Jesus' love and grace are what save us. But we don't receive that unless we have faith in his sacrifice
Please don't insult me for putting more importance in Jesus than pretty buildings and music
>>76426659
THIS!!
Love God with your heart. Thats what matters.
Different forms of christianity and what-not exists, all these variants and lies. Jesus christ is lord, this is what I know. Many lies spread and/or made up by stupid greedy people, zionists and other beings.
God will know you love him, and if you pray good things will happen to you.
Every tongue and every mouth should confess - Jesus Christ is Lord.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WbAuuVBdY0
>>76416588
I like to pray to Jesus-Christ because he's a fictional character and God is serious mind-wank.
Also I've no idea what a lord or a king can be, I've never been subject or serve in my life, just a citizen of the French Republic.
>>76426659
Amen!!
:D
>>76427220
>Love God with your heart. Thats what matters.
yeah, no denominations will be mentioned when we stand before Jesus, but that doesnt mean all are equal, however theology is important but a human thing
>>76427404
Pray and ask him...did you ever try that.
>>76425605
>>76427597
Ask what ?
I don't call someone lord or king (or both), it makes my wanna puke shit.
Citizen or comrade I can do.
>>76426842
>but that is ABC of protestant theology, fundamental baptist theology basicallly
If you read the Catechism you will see that Catholics believe that it Christ alone who saves us
https://youtube.com/user/InspiringPhilosophy
Great YouTube channel for those looking for arguments for the existence of God, Christian philosophy, evidences for Jesus' resurrection, and the reliability of the New Testament writings.
>>76416588
That image isn't the Sacred Heart that's the image of Divine Mercy
>>76425605
Bach and Brahms tho.
>>76423899
pls tell me how you got that
>>76427137
I am sorry, will you forgive me? But you guys do suck at art
>>76426307
>>76426307
>giving (you)s to niggerteom
just ignore him
>>76427137
Save from what ?
Death ? Big failure so far...
>>76427811
>https://youtube.com/user/InspiringPhilosophy
mah nigga, already subbed
>>76427786
>Catechism you will see that Catholics believe that it Christ alone who saves us
but that is simply not true bro. what you said is what Luther claimed.
>>76427220
WTF is a god anyway ?
http://www.noforbiddenquestions.com/2011/02/what-is-a-god-anyway/
Can someone give me a rundown on the differences between Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant?
>>76428358
Yes, someone surely can.
I suggest this youtube channel to Catholics.
Has lots of interesting videos and is very traditionalist.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3x3gDTqUYy_bFZWS-U_mZQ/undefined
>>76428358
nope all cucks
>>76428358
catholic: based best church
orthodox: based best church turned into an ethnic curio by greeks and russians
protestantism: cut yourself off from every link to christ's church and face to damnation
>>76428145
>Save from what ?
from justice.
you commited sin and God as a reichouss God, must do judgement. this is where Jesus comes - he took your punishment by being the sacrificial Lamb. Jesus, who commited no sin, was punished so you shouldnt (reightufully so) be.
>>76428529
this sounds pretty accurate to me
>>76426659
It's pretty ahistorical to treat theology as a trifle. Proper theology is as important as any other element of the faith.
>>76428247
>but that is simply not true bro. what you said is what Luther claimed.
Dude Catholics having been teaching it since the Pelagian heresy who taught the exact same heresy that Protestants teach today
>>76427782
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WbAuuVBdY0
Ask God if he is real. Ask Jesus christ to show you a sign and mean it in your heart.
Howard Storm Atheist Professor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=8vj0qKthCgg
Atheist Dr. Donald Whitaker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=X54dYbfCSR4
Mickey Robinson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=xRSjzY0s0SM [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=s66DchGhhD0
>>76423019
The crusades stopping the muslim conquest of Europe is enough for you, nigger.
>>76428579
>you commited sin
Define sin without resorting to any fictional source/mythological explanation.
>protip: you can't
>>76428010
Of course I forgive you. I love you man
And I agree that a lot of these Christian movies and music aren't very good as works of "art" but that's because they're more simple tools with simple non-complex messages to try and spread the message of Christianity to people than they are meant to be "great art". (You can debate if that's the best route to go, but I think it definitely has its place) There are lots of great movies made by Protestants that deal with themes of Christianity but aren't explicitly dealing with Christianity so I guess they can't be considered "Christian art"
>>76428145
>>76428579
>he took your punishment by being the sacrificial Lamb
all that happened on the cross where Jesus dies was a prophesy from the Levitical law. So why isnt the whole world saved? They havent believed and recived reconciliation torugh faith. FAITH IN JESUS SAVES.
>>76428358
http://www.religionfacts.com/catholicism-protestantism
http://www.religionfacts.com/denominations-stats
http://www.religionfacts.com/denominations-beliefs
http://www.religionfacts.com/denominations-practices
http://www.religionfacts.com/denominations-ethics
Check out the charts in the links above, bro. It's a basic rundown and a good entry to theology.
>>76428816
>Ask Jesus christ to show you a sign and mean it in your heart.
If God exists he killed all my family and left me crippled for life.
Blind indifferent nature and accidental shit I can cope with. A willing, thinking, caring God, not so much.
>>76428529
>>76428678
Why do we still need to argue about this?
Orthodox catholic was before so called roman catholic or protestants. The great schism where Roman catholic split from the following of the 12 disciples aka Orthodox Catholic.
And then the split around year 1500 with Lutherism and Protestant was a thing, and then split into countless other branches.
Lies will never become truth, and truth will never become lies.
With this said, Theology is important but not the main thing, but in the end of the day, Jesus will judge your heart, not what kind of Christian Chruch you were following.
Either you get this point, or you simply dont.
>>76429267
It is ok that you call yourself orthodox, but you are de facto not catholic.
Catholic means universal, you are absolutely not universal
>>76429250
>If God exists he killed all my family and left me crippled for life.
>Blind indifferent nature and accidental shit I can cope with.
not everything that happens in this world is Gods will -in fact most of things arent, we live in a fallen world and wages of our past sin and past sin of those around us toruble us, only after the ressurection will God restore us completly and there will be no sorrow or pain after Jesus returns.
>>76429101
>And I agree that a lot of these Christian movies and music aren't very good as works of "art" but that's because they're more simple tools
Christians don't need simple tools, Christians need meat rather than milk. There is something about the protestant message that almost seems childish. It's just doesn't have richness of either Catholicism or Orthodoxy when it comes to theology
>>76429267
Why should God revive me after death just to send me to eternal hell ? That's really fucked up !
I want to be just erased and forgotten, forever.
One fucking life is more than enough.
>>76429777
>>76416588
>Being a retard
Lol.
>>76429752
>not everything that happens in this world is Gods will
So God's a weak wanker, duly noted.
>>76428358
The most important difference pertains to each tradition's metaphysics, though I hesitate to call Protestantism a tradition. Catholicism's Thomism is unparalleled and it was exactly the abandonment of this philosophical tradition that led to the catalog of nonsense that characterizes modern philosophy. Protestantism is more or less allied with the Moderns, hence why they're so easily subverted. I think the Orthodox tradition is anti-intellectual but don't quote me on that.
>>76429777
>There is something about the protestant message that almost seems childish. It's just doesn't have richness of either Catholicism or Orthodoxy when it comes to theology
Christianity is childlish, simplye, easy to understand. Believe and be saved. Simply truth.
>>76429932
>So God's a weak wanker, duly noted.
Adam is the one to blame.
>>76429250
>If God exists he killed all my family and left me crippled for life.
How can you even claim such a thing.
The funny thing is you are against your own believe, top kek.
We know God, its a thing we are born with, its a spiritual touch one just knows.
First you say "there is no God". Then you say "its God fault for all my mysery".
By claiming God did this, you already got some kind of sub-conscious understand of there is something spiritual in the world, there is God, you are confessing it but didnt even understand it yourself.
The free will was given to man and all creatues. The free will means the will is FREE. To interrupt, be it a good or bad interruption means the will is not free and someone else is controlling your motion, thoughts and behavior.
God wans you to be good, not because he forced you, but because you wanted to.
One may steal, lie, be corrupt, trick your closest one etc etc. This is the free will.
You shall be judges on your actions. You are already claiming "God did it", therefore accepting Gods existence.
Man is free. The free speech cant be limited, then it isnt a free speech. A rapist, being a horrible man who society hates, still got his free speech rights, no one can take this away from him.
Man have his free will, no one can take this away from him. If you intervene then you arent letting the world be free.
Either you get this or you do not.
Should a capitalistic society help every unemployed person with a job? No ofcourse, taking tax money and creating artificial jobs isnt real jobs, one must find there own work.
Its the same thing with Gods way and free will. if he intervenes, there arent any free will.
If government intervene in a capitalistic society and create "fake" jobs, the market isnt free.
>>76429888
read the first page of romans, they talk all about catholics, you need to be reatarded to be catholic
>>76429777
The message isn't meant to reach Christians...they already have the message...
>>76429888
It's Renaissance art and culture you're talking about.
These brilliant minds were not Christians, they'd been persecuted by the Inquisition for centuries, but things changed after the Black Plague and the loss of Constantinople to the Muslims.
The authority of the Bible started to be questioned a bit more freely, the sources of the humanities (Greek and other pre-Christian culture) became widely available thanks to printing, the Reformation paved the way to liberal democracy, etc.
>>76429867
What if I told you that you have an eternal spirit? You cannot be erased, friend.
Also, don't condemn yourself to hell. There's still a chance for salvation by Jesus. Once you leave this body, you won't face damnation.
>>76429512
This.
You have Greek, Russian, Serbian Orthodox just to name a few. This is not "One holy Catholic and apostolic church" anymore. It is many.
Not to mention the huge inconsistency regarding the Eucharist. Orthodox Churches, use leavened bread as opposed to unleavened bread, and mix it together with the wine. Paul says not to do this in his letters to the Corinthians, and says it cannot become the true body of Christ otherwise. The Eucharist being literal, is the main aspect with separates Catholics and Orthodox from Protestants, but the Orthodox seem to completely ignore that they're violating this very clear law, since it's inconsistent with their faith.
>>76430158
>We know God, its a thing we are born with
No, not me.
>>76430188
wow you just rocked my world anon, how could I not see before? Calling me retarded really opened my eyes lmao
>heretically praying to Mary and other """"saints""""
>believing that good works get you to heaven
>priests drink all the wine during The Lord's Supper
>indulgences (seriously, why?)
I can go on and on. Catholicism is cancer. Only the protestant churches preach the truth.
>>76430124
>Believe and be saved. Simply truth.
If that is all you get out of the message of Christ and His Apostles then Saint Paul would like to have some words for you in One Corinthians chapters 3 and 13 (Protestant Trump Edition)
>>76430551
>2016
>worship a wafer
meh
>>76430603
>he wont be saved
>not a retard
lol have fun
>>76429777
Also that's because the message of Christianity is simple enough for a child to understand
Believe and you shall be saved
>>76429512
check this:
>>76425621
Catholic means "way" or perhaps more correctly "doctrine".
For thousand years the Roman Catholic church did not exist, it came into existence much much later.
What is widely believed in all of theology is that the 12 disciples of Jesus was of the middle east, where Jesus did most of his works, they are Orthodox Catholics in middle east and Jerusalem.
Roman catholic are unheard of there and came thousand years later, artificially created.
Not saying any catholics are bad persons at all, thats not my point.
Roman church and Protetantism with Lutherism came thousands years later, and for each new version they came further and further away from Jesus and they remove more and more parts from the bible.
Truth is truth and will never become falsehood, however far in the past it may be.
Please focus on love and praise Jesus mainly. The rest is stupid mans work.
>>76430606
>Only the protestant churches preach the truth.
how can they all preach the truth if they all have different opinions about everything?
Pray the rosary
>>76430706
>If that is all you get out of the message of Christ and His Apostles
>all
not all. that is The Good News. the foundation, rest follows from there.
>>76430495
The Renaissance was a Western Europe phenonenon, Orthodoxy never had a categoric rejection of paganism as such, and had a practice of keeping whatever was not unacceptably contrary to scripture, eg, bathing.
>>76425328
Maybe in usa. The protestants here are the cucks that always vote socialist, and are bat shit crazy.
>But m-muh based east
Shut up the east is arleady over 80% atheist. It will probaly grow to atleast 90% because being a fedora is progressive and cool here.
I rather hang out with cool catholic from Europe than degenerates that followed this Satan Luther.
The reformation was ONLY a political thing. If not only some noble traitors there would be no reformation.
>>76430606
>heretically praying to Mary
I can't talk to a relative when I want to? Scripture enjoins us to honor Mother mary
>>76428358
Catholics use circular reasoning necessarily.
>>76425795
Orthodox do too in virtually the same manner.
Protestant don't necessarily but can.
>>76430560
You just said "God did all bad in my live" hahahahah top kekssssss.
Too bad rethoric mr shillposter Top kek
>>76430931
>thinking he knows who will be saved and who won't
that houlier-than-thou attitude won't sit will with God. You should fix it imo
>>76430954
>Catholic means "way" or perhaps more correctly "doctrine".
NOOOOOOOO for the 9999999th time
Catholic means "universal"
>For thousand years the Roman Catholic church did not exist, it came into existence much much later.
lmao no, absolutely not. I am not even going to address these delirious statements
>>76430495
>>76431017
>It's Renaissance art and culture you're talking about.
>These brilliant minds were not Christians
Reniassacne=neo-humanism with Catholic symbols.
>>76431050
>Maybe in usa. The protestants here are the cucks
*post protestnatns
same in Sweden. Actually Protestantism is based (like in USA) - nonapologeticall antimuslim, anti socialist, pro guns, anti state...
>>76431017
So eventually Byzantium had to get some civilized mores by Islam.
>protestants
There was this thing on /POL/. I think all gay threads should really be referred to a Christ general thread to be eaten alive.
>>76431050
check out this youtube channel, you'll like it
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3x3gDTqUYy_bFZWS-U_mZQ/undefined
Here a pretty good video from it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXc1uLL_EhU
>>76431287
>that houlier-than-thou attitude won't sit will with God. You should fix it imo
read 1 romans, it says everything there, get away from catholics and save your soul while you still can
>>76431287
>that houlier-than-thou attitude won't sit will with God. You should fix it imo
*The*. *IRONY*.
L A M O
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>>76431450
guess where you are in the picture
>>76430959
Hmm, you got me there and I guess I didn't quite mean it that way. Anyway, my point was that Catholicism has aforementioned false and twisted teachings that most protestant churches have corrected.
>>76431084
"And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed me these things. But he said to me, “Do not do that. I am a fellow servant of yours and of your brethren the prophets and of those who heed the words of this book. Worship God.” - Rev 22: 8-9
>>76431601
ooops. meant for >>76431474
>>76431629
>my point was that Catholicism has aforementioned false and twisted teachings that most protestant churches have corrected.
so how do you decide which protestant churches have the correct teachings and which ones not?
>>76431601
enjoy hell brah
>>76431450
both can play that game, so lets not continue
>>76431287
>Catholic means "universal"
Nope, that should be "cosmic" or "holistic".
"Catholic" means "according to the whole" (kathe ton holon), referring to the whole of the Israel/Gospel mythology.
>>76431746
ah the irony..
May Christ have mercy on your soul
>>76431768
>The word catholic (with lowercase c; derived via Late Latin catholicus, from the Greek adjective kαθολιkός (katholikos), meaning "universal"[1][2]) comes from the Greek phrase kαθόλου (katholou), meaning "on the whole", "according to the whole" or "in general", and is a combination of the Greek words kατά meaning "about" and ὅλος meaning "whole".[3][4] The term Catholic (usually written with uppercase C in English) was first used to describe the Christian Church in the early 2nd century to emphasize its universal scope
>>76431736
>so how do you decide which protestant churches have the correct teachings and which ones not?
Soteriology.
>tfw belive in Jesus and youll be saved
Most of them are right on that point, wheras cahtolic and orthodox soteriology is almsot the same as JW and Islam.
>>76431736
How do you confirm the teachings of your own "church" without resort to a combination of viciously circular reasoning and fallacies?
>>76431965
>May Christ have mercy on your soul
and yours too, everyone still has hope
>>76416588
>The First-World is almost void of believing Christians
>arguing over which denomination is right
>>76431984
>Soteriology.
How do you decide who has the correct soteriology?
And how about everything else? God does not care about it? It is a matter of opinion?
>Most of them are right on that point
Why do you think the majority are right and not the minority? On what grounds do you believe that?
>>76432058
Hope is sad passion.
Carpe diem!
>>76432245
and you arent saved
repend and accept Christ
>>76431450
Maybe eat this one.
,, all in all what criteria will it take to see what is right here ? ''
>>76399818
>>76432058
>everyone still has hope
not true actually, some of the living people are reprobates and beyond saving (Romans 1:24 and Faraon case in Exodus)
>>76432241
>How do you decide who has the correct soteriology?
>belive and youll be saved
the only rihgt soteriology
>Why do you think the majority are right and not the minority? On what grounds do you believe that?
see previous
>>76431287
>For thousand years the Roman Catholic church did not exist, it came into existence much much later.
"lmao no, absolutely not. I am not even going to address these delirious statements"
People without argument usually dont address defined statements.
THE GREAT SCHISM at year 1054, and therefore creation of the seperated, and much changed Roman church. Who would accept bribes and that people could buy forgiveness, which protestants protested against 500 years later.
Forever seperation from the Orthodox Catholic church, which is widely in theology accepted to be what the 12 jesus disciples followed.
Google it folks.
>>76431736
If you have access to a bible it's all you need to discern false teachings from truth. There's really no such thing as a perfect church though. I live in the midwest and almost every church here is Lutheran or Catholic so I choose to go to a Lutheran church since it's easily the lesser of 2 evils. I have several disagreements with the Lutheran church but it's pretty decent overall.
>>76432205
also true
we just love the truth, thats all
>>76432538
Baptists and methodists are all over the midwest though.
>>76427782
The revolution was the worst thing that happend to you. Napoleon tried to revive you but he failed and France died. You got jewed before it was cool.
Btw pic related describes our society so good right now.
>>76432380
Repent from what ?
>>76432506
>not true actually, some of the living people are reprobates and beyond saving
how do you know who is saved? preach and let Christ work
>>76432763
Being a dogmatic anti-intellectual twat.
>>76432652
We need to get our fucking priorities straight, or else this infighting will take care of the last few remaining Christians
>>76432748
Napoleon freed the Jews.
And thanks to the Revolution I'm a citizen and not a serf.
>>76432763
not following Christ, having a sinful life
>>76432785
>how do you know who is saved?
with 100% assurancem you dont - Judas was never saved and he never believed. Only God knows the heart, so yeah, youll have to do the work
>>76432857
This is the only thing all zionist shillposters have against Jesus, so they love to use it.
>>76432506
>the only rihgt soteriology
but how do you decide it is the only right soteriology? Even using sola scriptura you can arrive to different interpretations of it
Btw you didn't answer this: how about everything else? God does not care about it? It is a matter of opinion?
>>76432519
during the schism you were exommunicated by the Pope, so you stopped being part of the Church. Stay mad lmao
>>76432748
Ur pic: a guy who spent decades fapping alone in a graveyard.
>Christian role-model
>>76432857
The apocalypse will come before the last Christian is gone from this earth. When it comes it comes - nothing to be afraid of for a believer.
>>76432939
i know im saved cus i have faith in Jesus Christ, fuck off with the works, why do you have a PC and not sell everything like Jesus said?
>Orthodox
https://youtu.be/PUhBykAA0D8
>>76432857
It will also dissuade lurkers here in this thread who are interested in learning about Christ. There are more people in this thread than who are posting, many of whom are probably interested in Christianity - and _this_ is what we're displaying to them...
>>76432976
>during the schism you were exommunicated by the Pope, so you stopped being part of the Church. Stay mad lmao
Are you stupid? Roman church stopped being part of the true church, went to Rome, made an empire and created there own christianity, they got expelled. Hahaha good one.
Jesus are middle-eastern, and the are not Roman christians in Jerusalem.
>>76432885
Circular reasoning much ?
Jesus the Messiah was some sort of Zionist leader. I'm not Jewish, why should i give a fuck ?
I didn't see this>>76431450
When I was posting this >>76431452
I am now thinking: what if gay people would do this: >>76420321
They are very activist prepared. But how would they and in the right way?
>>76433188
you dont give a fuck about your eternal soul?
well good luck, your choice
>>76432963
I hope we can eventually realise the gravity of our situation and not attack, nor respond to attacks based on denomination
Maybe not on 4chan. But in real-life necessarily
>>76432976
>Even using sola scriptura you can arrive to different interpretations
hardly. I mean you can , but youll have to use same hardcore metnal gymanstics.
>>76433073
>i know im saved cus i have faith in Jesus Christ, fuck off with the works, why do you have a PC and not sell everything like Jesus said?
what on earth are you babling about? I was talking about reprobation
>>76433185
nice fan-fiction anon.
I have nothing against orthobros, but you former protestant converts don't make them look good in the slightest
>JWs BTFO
http://www.catholic.com/blog/karl-keating/dont-let-em-get-a-word-in-edgewise-0
>>76433255
My soul (whatever that means) is about just as mortal as my body.
Prove me otherwise.
>>76433321
>hardly. I mean you can , but youll have to use same hardcore metnal gymanstics.
what if the person that came up with the different interpretation says that you are the one who came up with it using hardcor mental gymnastics and not him?
Also still waiting for an answer to this:
how about everything else? God does not care about it? It is a matter of opinion?
>>76432857
This. My local Lutheran church won't allow anyone to participate in the Lord's Supper unless you take their catechism course and become an official member there. They say it's """"harmful"""" to one's soul to partake in the sacrament along with others who hold slightly different scriptural beliefs. They demand that everyone not just be a Lutheran, but their brand of Lutheran. We've had several frequent church-goers leave because of this asinine rule.
>>76433437
i cant, that the joke on this, do what you want french, your soul, your choices
>>76433062
That's what I keep hearing, my rationalist friend, but there needs to be something done in this world for our faith
We can worry about the next when it comes to that
>>76433321
You need to engage in far more mental gymnastics to actually convince yourself
>apostolic succession is valid because tradition establishes it is
>tradition is valid because church authorities affirm it to be
>church authorities are valid because of apostolic succession
is totally legit reasoning and justification for cucklic belief.
>>76432878
Not all jews are bad. Ive even meet once one that said that some jews deserved the Holocaust. You can even control muslims. Sure better get rid of them but its pretty hard.
And btw
>Not being proud of a man that almost rekt whole Europe
>>76433042
Did i say that i like this guy?
Catholicism is a lost cause. Protestants practice HERSAY. Orthodox is the only dox! It's time we mend the great schism, unite under Christ and turn our gaze towards the holy land.
>>76433608
I don't even know what "eternal" can mean.
Can you give me a clear definition ?
>>76433614
Do what you're supposed to do. Don't fret anything that happens so long as you do your duty.
Noah tried to convince others too - just because no one listened didn't mean he didn't do his job.
>>76433502
>hat if the person that came up with the different interpretation says that you are the one who came up with it using hardcor mental gymnastics and not him?
mental gymnastic is usually the function of the complexity, do the math
>>76433502
>Also still waiting for an answer to this:
>how about everything else? God does not care about it? It is a matter of opinion?
I havent answered because your question makes no sense
>>76433638
brofist.jpg
>>76433355
Im not Orthodox at all, but the truth is still the truth. And lies can never become truth. Thats it.
And if you talk to a person who studied theology they would agree with what I said.
Catholic and protestants are heretics. And Im somewhat of a Protestant.
Anyway what matters is to love Jesus and ask for forgiveness and be honest. The rest is stupid humans invention.
>>76431452
""Kike on a stick"" How survivable is this
>>76433222
>>76429867
>>76430518
You can think whatever you want, rules are still rules.
You may not enter a bar under the age of 18 or 21 in most countires, dislike it, deny it or do whatever, but its the basic rules.
Cross a red light in traffic, cops wont like it. You can deny it, but still its the rule.
You can throw a stone on a window and deny it will ever break. Do whatever you want to, but the rules of physics still apply and heavy shit breaks glass.
You call people bad things, and you get hit, basic rule in life, deny it or do whatever but its still a fact.
Steal some things and get shot, thats how it work. You may not like it, you may not support it, you may not promote, but its still how things work.
I hate the offside-rule in football, but its still there, I could have made many goals if it didnt exists. I think its stupid, would like to remove the rule but I cant BUT ITS STILL A RULE WHICH APPLIES.
There are rules for heaven as well, simply as that. Deny it for all you can, deny it hardcore, but they still exists.
It isnt any more difficult or easy than that.
>>76433529
Keep your faith strong mate. Don't let anyone dissuade you
We're all Christians to the people who attack us
>>76433804
God and Jesus-Christ are also human inventions.
Until further evidence, of course.
>>76422651
>I invite you all to not give (you)s to niggerteom
Jesus is a myth historicized for social control. Jesus was not a real person. Watch Zeitgeist: The Movie Part One Faggot
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>>76433778
just save your soul, later worry about those things, if you arent saved, why do you care
Fellow Christbros.
I need help in finding out the true Christian faith.
Is it Traditional Catholicism or Orthodox Christianity? This question has plagued me for some time now and I have yet to find the one true answer to this incredibly pivotal question.
Please, I will appreciate anyone's opinion on this matter.
>>76431759
Not the guy you're replying to, but are you implying that the Catholic church ordains trannies...?
Because that's flat-out untrue.
>>76433804
>The rest is stupid humans invention
Don't tell that to a Catholic. They'll call you names and tell you you're going to hell.
Super scary.
Trigger-central.
Woo0o0oOo0o
>>76433993
>>76433787
Cheers mate. Let's hope we can salvage something before it all comes crumbling down
>>76433952
If it's rules it's not love.
Anyway, eternal hell is an optimistic possibility, since the alternative is nothingness.
>>76433986
There's a good chance Jesus Christ was a guy once though.. Perhaps even a bit of a lad. Don't know beyond that.
>>76433796
>mental gymnastic is usually the function of the complexity, do the math
so how do you measure which one is applying too much complexity and which one isn't? What if the other person says you have too much complexity?
>I havent answered because your question makes no sense
Why not? You say that the only thing that has to bee agreed upon is soteriology. I can deduce by this that you think you can disagree about everything else and God does not mind. So why does God not mind? Is the other stuff just a matter of opinion and God does not care about it?
>>76433971
No, I'm not.
>>76423731
don't you know that /pol/ exaggerates? you got to get the message across, everything else i leave up to the boss. but i'm pretty confident, you can't fight satan with praying wussies alone. eh, excuse the blasphemy. but remember the old testament: an eye for an eye, remember? jesus himself will not return as the benevolent savior, he will rule humanity with an iron rod. i am grateful should i become one, you people disgust me, and i mean the entire human race. it has become a disgrace to his creation. if not, well then there's always another way to be useful. that's all what matters in the end. i know where i stand, the rest is outside my grasp. enough for me, not enough for most of you. pathetic.
>>76432506
>citing Romans 1 as evidence for that without taking Romans 2 into account
>>76434086
What do you mean catholic?
Do you mean Orthodox Catholic?
>>76434250
Or a convenient fiction.
>>76434063
You're asking for an epistemic (seeming) impossibility.
You can't make a truth determination and *know it* to be true. You're stuck placing your bet on what you find personally more compelling.
>>76433804
>Im not Orthodox at all,
>Catholic and protestants are heretics. And Im somewhat of a Protestant.
I think you are just a special snowflake that wants christianity to be based upon his feelings. Either way I am done with you. In the trash together with niggerteom
>>76434333
Meant the different denominations of Christianity
Take your time and read it.
http://www.protestanterrors.com/index.htm
>>76434073
>but are you implying that the Catholic church ordains trannies...?
even worst m8, pope literally invited muslims to come here, wheres in USA protties jsut tell them to piss off - flat out no appologies
>>76434276
>
>>76434295
>citing Romans 1 as evidence for that without taking Romans 2 into account
are you reffering to "as were same of you" regarding homsoexualtiy? reprobation is a pertty clear teaching, some push it above and beyond like Steven Andreson who says that all homosexuals are reprobates which is bs
>>76434315
Catholics require you roll with them homeboy. They require that baptism in the purple drank. That transubstantive Eucharist. Dat adherence to doctrine/dogma wut come outta tradition.
You ain't part of the gang? You goin' to hell bruh.
Catholics represent muggafugga.
>>76434550
Meant it for >>76434292
>>76434554
everything wrong, like catholics
>>76416588
What about Satanists, can we participate?
>>76434063
Traditional Catholicism. If you choose Orthodoxy though I won't hold it against you (just don't be an annoying orthoLARPer about it)
A nice Trad Catholic youtube channel here:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3x3gDTqUYy_bFZWS-U_mZQ/undefined
>>76434592
I was referring to the fact that you claimed some people were beyond saving, and you used Romans 1 as evidence, however when you look at Romans 1 in the context of the book, it's pretty clear that Paul was using that verse to highlight the aspect of hypocrisy that was present among Christians at the time.
>>76434592
>
not an argument
answer the questions
>>76434234
Sure. Don't take it too bad if things do crumble down though.
Though I don't think it's likely they do in our lifetimes. Our God's Love is compelling.
>>76434863
those are the things catholics took and keep doing as repetition
>>76434379
Love god and praise Jesus. God bless.
Can a Catholic just answer me one simple question. Pls, no mental gymnastics. Just answer. I know things are rarely this simple or black and white, but this should be a question you can answer simply and honestly
What do you put more trust in to lead you more? Your personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ, or the leaders of the Catholic Church?
>>76434671
what was wrong?
>>76434635
>dat pope quote
what a blasphemous fag. I despise liberal theolgoy its so cowardly and wishywashy
>>76434863
>Romans 1 in the context of the book, it's pretty clear that Paul was using that verse to highlight the aspect of hypocrisy that was present among Christians at the time.
yes, but look further and how the pharaon hasnt let Moses go despite seing numerous works of God, see also Joshua 11:20
>>76435236
>thinking Peter was more than a messenger
poor Peter, all catholics retards are making him look bad
>>76435268
Yup.
>>76434844
My problem with Catholicism lies in the fact that it has absorbed much of Roman Paganism/philosophy that has "diluted" for a lack of a better word, original 1st and 2nd century Christianity.
This is not to say that Orthodox Christianity is without this heathen influence, but to me they seem to preach a Christianity that St. Paul himself might even recognize. Not to mention, as far as I know, Orthodox Christians only accept the first seven Ecumenical councils, and refuse any attempt to modernize the faith unlike Catholicism.
Not saying Eastern Orthodox is correct, I'm still just as lost as ever.
>>76435220
fallacious question.
We are trusting our leaders because they were entrusted by Jesus with our care.
The personal relationship we all have with Jesus does not shelter us from the dangers of falling into heresy. Reason why protestants all believe different things. Also the personal relationship does not give us the sacraments that are necessary to stay in a state of grace and away from mortal sin.
>>76435061
It's gonna be a close one mate, I'll tell you that
I am a Nationalist. I plan on becoming Orthodox, but anyone can answer these questions.
Does this go against the doctrine of Christianity?
I also plan on joining the military after college. Does war go against the doctrine of Christianity as well?
I believe in evolution and the Big Bang. Do these theories go against Christianity?
I love studying the Crusades. Since they go against the commandment of "Thou shalt not kill", are they not Christian-like?
To further my previous question, what about capital punishment and self-defense? Are they also not Christian-like?
Thank you, brothers and sisters.
>>76435741
>and they think they are saved
>>76435236
How many people actually claim that Luther is the Rock the church was founded on? Not many I assume. Seems like you're just trying to insult. The church of Jesus Christ is all who are saved by Jesus Christ and believe in his death and resurrection for our sins. Whatever denomination they may be in
>>76435474
Not an argument
