Can anyone explain why Freemasons are so often accused of being part and parcel of the supposed International Jewish Conspiracy? Because in my experience, the masons I've known have been 100% anti-Semites. I've never met anyone even remotely as antagonistic to Jews, and I've never met people more prone to throwing around the word "kike" at every possible opportunity. So the idea that masons are somehow in cahoots with whatever Jewish plots may or may not exist, just doesn't fit at all with what I've seen and heard. One older mason I used to know swears up and down that the Protocols are legit, for instance. So it's just absurd. My question is, have I just been unlucky enough to know Freemasons who were virulently, VIRULENTLY anti all things and people Jewish, or are they all like that?
Either way, I don't think I've ever encountered anyone remotely as hypocritical and pathologically dishonest as masons.....
Because Hitler literally decided who was part of the Jewish conspiracy with a dartboard
>>76395980
Because it's a perfect scapegoat. People are afraid of the unknown and have no desire to learn. Combine that with Freemasonry traditionally being unwilling to stoop to the idiocy of the detractors, and there you have it.
>or are they all like that?
Not all. But those who pay attention to the ceremonies do pick up on how anti-Jew it is.
>>76395980
Pretty certain that pic is the KKK, not the Freemasons.
Should I become a Freemason? I can but I have not decided
>>76398437
In Mexico it's a bit of a crapshoot. If you can get a good lodge, sure.
>>76398556
Why are they so hated?
>>76395980
The international Jewish conspiracy has its hands in every cookie jar
Every movement of the past 60 years traces back to them
Why wouldn't they have their hand in the free masons?
They control the KKK too
>>76395980
All of our founding fathers were masons or involved in similar societies. George Washington wrote about how the masons were being infiltrated by the Illuminati. His letters can be found in the Congressional Archives.
So in my opinion Masonry could be a mixed bag. I have no doubt that George Washington and most of the founders had pure intentions of setting up the most free nation they could. Even on slavery they owned slaves like their peers but by all accounts treated them as extended family and cared for them as human beings. At least Washington and Jefferson.
I have no idea what masonry represents today. I believe it is a diest organization which fits with the founders, but their rituals definitely seem satanic and occult to me.
>>76398815
Because people are told to hate it, and they don't investigate if they should or not.
>>76398437
Nah man, you live in one of the most Catholic nations on Earth, and that would be something infinitely better to explore and get into. Freemasons are scum, homie; I recommend you avoid them like the plague.
>>76398815
Being a mason is still grounds for excommunication just FYI
I know Mexico is pretty Catholic
If you want to be part of a shadow organization just go with the Catholic ones
>>76398854
>George Washington wrote about how the masons were being infiltrated by the Illuminati.
Shame they didn't. We might not have lost so much in the way of ritual and meaning.
>I believe it is a diest organization
No, it's not a religious organisation. It just requires members to have belief in God.
>but their rituals definitely seem satanic and occult to me.
What makes you say that? Occult yes (but not enough), but certainly not satanic.
What are you talking about? My Jewish grandfather was a mason.
>>76395980
>He still doesn't understand how much the Jews control propaganda and groups
Every single group from BLM to the KKK is Jewish controlled
You would never hear about them otherwise
>>76399020
>Being a mason is still grounds for excommunication
Doesn't really happen any more, though. Hundreds of thousands of Catholic Masons out there.
Freemasonry developed out of kabbalistic studies and has close historic ties to the Sabbatean movement, a jewish sect that appeared in the year 1666 (!) in Khazaria/Ukraine, a sect that proclaimed the 'messiah' had arrived. Said 'messiah' then declared that the judaic laws of the torah were now suspended and he and his followers immediately practiced sexual license, orgies etc. They had a militant, violent 'soldier' wing too. Orthodox jews considered them to be heretics and the entire sect had to flee into muslim territory, where they and their 'messiah' were immediately all forced to convert to Islam. The sect then faded from history, but the ideas they put into the world - a 'jewish messiah' suspending divine law and everyone practicing sexual license - remained. The truth is, this jewish-khazarian sect simply went underground to avoid persecution by other jews.
Freemasonry came into existence in 17th century christian britain. It was a secret movement of british shabbat goyim who loathed the rule of christianity and secretly envied and sympathized with the jewish money lenders in Britain that were making a fortune on the back of the people through usury. Both jews and masons had a common enemy: christianity and the christian aristocracies of Europe. The first freemasons were basically sexual perverts and their 'clubs' were the equivalent of today's gay bars. Many of them were homosexuals, pedophiles and other scumbags that were 'persecuted' by the church.
They eventually teamed up with the underground sabbatean movement. In the 18th-20th century, rich banker jews financed numerous revolutions and wars all over Europe, collaborating with the numerous freemason clubs - clubs that were basically revolutionary cells for rich sexually perverted sabbat goyim. In the French Revolution for example, the mason revolutionaries mass murdered monks, nuns and priests and defiled churches by fornicating with prostitutes on sacred christian altars.
>>76398375
One of the Freemason families I know IS a Ku Klux Klan family. The father of the family used to watch these Klan videos which his lodge pals gave to him. I was led to believe by him that all KKK members actually are Masons. But that doesn't mean that all Masons are Klan, just that all Klan are Masons. Masonry is a far, FAR larger group the Ku Klux Klan is or ever was.
I just find Freemason's hypocrisy galling. They lie and pretend that they're SJWs, when actually they're precisely the opposite. If they had any balls they'd be honest about what they are.
>>76399295
True but that doesn't change it
Also American Catholics are barely Catholics to begin with
>>76399020
>>76398903
I am from a, while still believing, not religious family. The Catholic Church is so corrupt here (what a surprise) that I really do not care about being excomuogated, I would still hold my believes with me.
With that clarified, what if i canted to pursuit a political career. Many of Mexico's presidents were Masons, many politicians are masons. Would it help me or would I become a slave to the Masons?
>>76395980
http://www.shamash.org/lists/scj-faq/HTML/faq/16-03.html
>>76395980
Liberty
Equality
Fraternity
It's not just a coincidence
>>76399361
Freemasonry was the beginning of the decline of the West desu
>>76395980
Something to do with the Sabbatean-Frankists and Illuminati/Freemasons collaborating during and after the French Revolution.
>>76399361
>Freemasonry developed out of kabbalistic studies
False. It evolved out of operative guilds (earlier than 1599) involved with cathedrals and monasteries considering architecture and the science behind it to be a sacred gift from God.
>>76399365
>I just find Freemason's hypocrisy galling. They lie and pretend that they're SJWs
When do we ever do this? I mean, sure they are probably some SJWs as members who don't understand the lessons, but that's not the whole.
>>76399389
Kinda does. Means that there's no real reason not to join if one wants. Catholic Bishops have.
>Also American Catholics are barely Catholics to begin with
Agreed. Septics fuck everything up they touch. Politics, religions, Freemasonry, entertainment, etc.
>>76399513
>Would it help me or would I become a slave to the Masons?
No on both counts. You'll receive no benefit like that for being a member, but you're also entirely free to leave if you prefer.
>>76399856
Fuck Yes, knowing how everything works and still being able to anonymously staring another half-baked revolution. Seems like I won't get killed that soon
>>76395980
The men on my mom's sides are all masons. Her family moved here from scotland in the 1940s.
I remember as a kid being really confused by one of my uncles who left masonry to "become christian".
also that is a bad ass pirate gown
>>76399856
>He believes the free mason kool-aid
Lad...
Let me guess you also believe the civil rights movement was organic and that the Holocaust happened
>>76399361
An example for a description of an early freemasonry club would be the Marquis de Sade, in particular his infamous book 'The 100 Days of Sodom', where a group of four perverted aristocrats meets in secret in a castle and performs inhuman and malicious sexual acts and snuff/torture on young children and girls and boys that they abducted.
The Marquis de Sade was a prisoner of the christian aristocracy in the Paris Bastille in 1789, and the french 'revolutionaries' - a mix of rich jews, perverted aristocrats who secretly hated christianity and the starving Paris mob that was raging over high bread prices -immediately set him loose.
Freemasonry eventually developed into a full blown secret sect that had its own teachings. To get access to these secret teachings you had to prove your worth and rise through the ranks, being lifted up to the next tier of 'enlightenment' by those above you. They copied this tiered system of 'enlightenment' from the ancient gnostic sects and the manichean sect in ancient rome.
Judaic symbolism is all over freemasonry. The term 'freemasons' itself is a reference to the 'Grand Project' of the masons: to rebuild the jewish temple in Jerusalem, at which point the 'jewish messiah' would reveal himsel and declare the torah - from which among other things christian morals are derived - obsolete.
Freemason books were hand copied and only circulated within enlightenment tiers. These books are basically just kabbalistic copy/pasta. The Kabbala contains the philosophy of talmud jews from the middle ages. The antichristian element of masonry always remained. There was a veritable propaganda war going on in the 19th century between the catholic clergy and freemasonry in Europe, it's historically well documented, despite their best efforts to sweep their dirty history under the rug through censorship.
>>76400111
>that image
please delete it this is a safe space
All these false flag hoaxes have masonic numerology coding in them, most often in the form of the number 33, highest degree in scottish rite freemasonry.
Make no mistake, the Masons are the hidden hand that rules this world. Many of them are jewish too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUx8wxL4vGY
Brussels hoax = jews and masons
>>76399072
>>76399072
Freemasonry is such a huge, huge group of people, that statistically one would assume there must be some number of decent people involved with it. They can't ALL be anti-Semite faggots or members of the KKK. I mean, there's even a small number of black Masons. The family of Masons I knew would always complain about it, which I found amusing. The father of this family boasted that they would take turns denying blacks membership applications. See, it was explained to me that one can only become a Mason if there is unanimous approval within the lodge they're seeking to join. So this idiot faggot kook boasted about how clever they were to take turns being the lone dissenter whenever blacks tried to join their particular lodge. "We always deny the niggers." Then he'd smirk at how brilliant and clever it all was. I fucking hated that guy. When he was with some people he'd put on gay-ass SJW vibes, and when he was with us everthing was nigger this, kike that. I cannot fucking stand hypocrites, man.
>>76398854
>All of our founding fathers were masons or involved in similar societies. George Washington wrote about how the masons were being infiltrated by the Illuminati.
>>76398844
Dylan Roof staged drill hoax crisis actors code of 33
>>76400195
>Let me guess you also believe the civil rights movement was organic and that the Holocaust happened
No, i specifically don't. Hell, it pisses me off when they try and wrangle Masons into the Holocaust narrative by saying X amount were killed, but ignore how membership records were destroyed, so we'd have no way of confirming it.
>>76400220
>An example for a description of an early freemasonry club
By that do you mean a club completely separate to Masonry, but you want to try and connect them somehow?
>To get access to these secret teachings you had to prove your worth and rise through the ranks
Hah, if only.
CNN-CIA: 33 hidden in logo
Trayboon murder hoax, fake killing masonic hoax
judeo-masonic transgender agenda
el Chapo tunnel 33 feet deep "coincidence" another masonic hoax, implausible and fake as can be
"El Chapo" just so happens to be 33 in numerology
>>76399768
The disappearance of the jewish sabbatean-frankist sect from history (1666) coincides historically with the jewish resettlement of Britain after Cromwell lifted the 300 year old Expulsion Edict (1655).
The sabbatean remnant probably fled to Britain after getting kicked out of Ukraine/Khazaria and muslim territory, went underground and colluded with the large part of the british aristocracy that hated christianity. Since Britain was still a christianized society at that point there had to be secrecy. It was basically an antichristian mafia that consisted of rich messianic jews and british perverts (homosexuals etc) that hated christianity.
From Britain, masonry spread into France and the USA, where they organized the french and american revolution.
>>76400592
So you do think the civil rights movement was organic?
You keep dodging all criticisms desu
I don't hate the free Masons they're just Jewish controlled goys who think they're part of some cool secret old club
The only reason they exist is to be the scapegoat for the jews (same for the illuminati)
Its so the vast majority of "conspiracy theorists" look to them and not the jews
They're the same as the CIA in that regard
33 passengers on board the nonexistent flight which "crashed" in pennsylvania on 9/11
7 crew members of course because masonic "G" is the seventh letter in the alphabet, and then the 33rd when you start over with A as 27
>>76400967
>So you do think the civil rights movement was organic?
No, i said i don't. Why are you trying to put words in my mouth?
>they're just Jewish controlled
Yea? How?
>>76399856
>>76399856
>When do we ever do this?
I was describing a specific family who I knew very well. That's what the Masons in this particular family always did. Since you're a Mason you would have personal relationships with a greater number of Masons than me. I'm describing one specific set of people. I take it that you're saying their behaviour isn't representaive of other Masons?
lmao shrunken head mormon "Mason Wells" flies back to Utah and goes back into the hospital after being "injured" during the Brussels hoax
can't make this shit up
>>76401088
>I take it that you're saying their behaviour isn't representaive of other Masons?
Bang on. Sounds like that particular family are just tools. Not to say other Masons aren't, but it's not a requirement.
>>76401063
>No I said you don't
No you were referring to the Holocaust in that statement
You should learn to be more clear with your words
>Yea? How?
Why don't you ask the friendly German who you've pretty much completely dismissed
>>76401088
No of course it isn't
Masons are pozzed
They're all globalist Jewish controlled fucks
>>76399513
In my opinion, that's not a very good way of evaluating Catholicism. If the Church is corrupt where you live, then that's one thing, but you don't have to judge the ideas by those who profess to believe in them. It has more to do with your personal relationship to Ultimate Reality, and you standing alone on your own two feet.
>>76401288
>No you were referring to the Holocaust in that statement
I was referring to both. Stop misrepresenting for the sake of your poor argument.
>Why don't you ask the friendly German who you've pretty much completely dismissed
I've tried addressing his baseless nonsense. No response.
Why do YOU think the way you do?
>>76400875
Jewish cartels have controlled the global drug trade since the 19th century, it started with the opium trade. The Rothschilds made their fortune by financing the jewish opium trade. The british-indian Sasson jews that controlled the highly profitable opium trade were intermarried with the Rotschilds. The Sassoons ONLY hired other jews to work in their business. When the sale of opium was banned in Europe and the USA in the early 20th century, the Sassoons disappeared from the history books. They went underground, formed the first drug cartel and used their muscle and financial power to force their way into numerous other organized crime ventures.
Drug dealers do the work of satan, they tempt humans with drugs that will uselessly consume their life time, their soul. This is traditional freemason business since masonry, at its core, is a satanic sect.
Roger Morneau a succesful businessman and high level freemason who converted to christianity, blew the whistle on it. There were numerous whistleblowers over the centuries who told the exact same story: the secrecy that shrouds the inner core of freemasonry disguises a satanic sect, and the lower tiers of masonry are basically useful idiots - many of them deceived into thinking that masonry is a 'humanitarian' and 'caritative' organization when the truth it, it's a satanic sect of sabbat goyim that want to take over the world and corrupt as many souls as possible with mortal sins (e.g. homosex, transsex, pornopgraphy, drugs)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FTOicn4Uvo
>>76395980
Because Masons are tools of the kikes.
They are all connected
>>76401524
>I was referring to both
Prove it
Youre whole paragraph was about the Holocaust
>>76401524
>I've tried addressing his baseless nonsense
>>76399856
>False it derived from operative guilds
>>76400592
>But you want to try and connect them somehow?
Wow you're right
You really dismantled his argument
>Why do you think the way you do?
What do you mean?
It's not obvious to you that the jews control the west? That every group with any form of publicity is there because jews have allowed it?
Even Donald Trump is influenced by the jews
>>76401701
Sehr gut erklärt.
Vergiss auch nicht im welchen Jahr die Nazis die Macht ergriffen hat... ach ja, 33. Wieder mal ein Zufall ne? Was sagst du dazu? Nazis selbst ein Art Freimauerei oder nicht?
>>76395980
because masons are total retards pushing the degeneracy agenda..
>>76401963
>Prove it
>>76400592
>No, i specifically don't. Hell,
See the full stop there? Means a new sentence. I guess Americans aren't big on grammar.
>You really dismantled his argument
Still more than he was able to prove, old boy.
>It's not obvious to you that the jews control the west?
Duh, but that's a separate issue. I'm asking you to prove the Freemason stuff, rather than dancing around the issue like the bitch you are.
>>76401732
Are Masons tools of the Kikes or are kikes (one of the) tools of the masons?
I used to believe the former but I tend much more towards the latter these days. Especially when you realize so called right wing movements like the Nazis or even Trump are/were probably Mason-controlled.
More 33 hoax code, this time in Brazil in the context of a fake rape pushing the feminism agenda.
And look when the article just so happened to be published. Truth always hidden in plain sight with these masons.
>>76401249
Well, if what you say is true, then you've just changed my opinion of Freemasonry.
This family that I was describing blabbed about this kind of stuff all the damn time, and they very, VERY often boasted about how one Mason can be total jerk, can be dishonest, can sink to any level whatsoever, and his fellow Masons will always back them in a fight. Regardless of how clearly scummy these people would be, they could always count on their "brothers" to back them up, rather than the other Masons just doing the decent thing. And I should add that crying out for help from whatever Masons happened to be present in a given situation, was something members of this family did on a semi-routine basis.
If Masons actually were the way you describe them, I would actually be rather fond of them. But I've had the mechanics of these cries for assistance explained to me in minute detail, and I've seen other Masons behave a bit gang-like when they'd pick fights and then call for help.
>>76402023
Nazis were pagans and atheists but they definitely were not masons. Masons always are jew-lovers and internationalists. Nazis were hardcore antisemites and rabid nationalists, Hitler was an antisemite, and the SS was completely redpilled about the eternal jew, which is why even the jews today hate the SS so much.
But they were not masons. If you can believe the history books, prussian landlords were afraid of a socialist government taking all their moneys during the Great Depression so they heaved Hitler into power, with some help from Wall Street.
Even the Wall Street jews had to have an inherent interest in stopping the onslaught of communism.
Masons arent even that powerful. It was the weakness of the christian monarchs in France and Germany that led to the rise of masonry. If the christian monarchs in France and Germany had cracked down on these clubs and kicked out the jews instead of being 'tolerant' fools, they would still be in power today.
>>76395980
Masonry is a proxy judaism for non-jewish rich men.
A literal jewish honeypot to keep all rich non jews loyal.
>>76399049
Diesm specifically means a belief in god. It is what the founders were, and my understanding of the masons god requirement leads me to believe they are deists.
>belief in the existence of a God on the evidence of reason and nature only, with rejection of supernatural revelation (distinguished from theism ).
>>76403247
>Well, if what you say is true, then you've just changed my opinion of Freemasonry.
No offense, but that's a little sad, in that your perceptions were so coloured by such wankers.
>VERY often boasted about how one Mason can be total jerk, can be dishonest, can sink to any level whatsoever, and his fellow Masons will always back them in a fight.
Hah, well he's dead wrong there. We're meant to hold each other to higher standards. As in, cops are usually harsher, and penalties stricter because you've done two things wrong.
>But I've had the mechanics of these cries for assistance explained to me in minute detail
I suspect they did so incorrectly. Like, the "cried for help" are if you're just in a shitty situation and need aid. Not if you dun fucked up and want to be bailed out.
>>76403450
>Diesm specifically means a belief in god
It's a non-dogmatic belief in God. A lot of Masons probably are Deists, but it's not a requirement. Theism is the requirement.
It's an easy mistake.
>>76403293
>But they were not masons.
Some were. The Prussian/German Grand Lodges were big supporters of the Nazi party.
>If the christian monarchs in France and Germany had cracked down on these clubs
If you'd checked history, you'd know they did, despite Masonry being monarchistic and nationalist. But shockingly there were other factors.
>>76403293
How about the Swiss? Are they connected with Freemasonry/Jews/"the Illuminati" somehow?
