Atheism plays a large role (perhaps one of the biggest) in the destruction of western civilization. It is one of the root causes for the degeneracy and overall moral decline we see today.
It all stems from the fact that atheism is incompatible with moral universalism, which makes it possible to morally rationalize any action (i.e. moral relativism), as can be seen with the LGBTQ movement. This acronym is constantly evolving (currently at LGBTQQIP2SAA if I'm not mistaken), and I believe it's just a matter of time before pedophilia and bestiality are integrated as well (in-before muh slippery slope).
I expect some people to challenge the notion that atheism is incompatible with moral universalism. I've had this debate before, and they usually resort to: "It's in our biology. A product of evolution that is innate in all humans. Empathy." The problem with this argument is that it begets the question: Whose "biology" are we talking about? People seem to have different concepts of what is wrong and what isn't. Who is right? What society? Not to mention that it's irrational and quite frankly intellectually dishonest to assume that there is an ultimate standard of right and wrong that supersedes mere fanciful "ideas" about what is right and wrong at a given time in our ethical evolution.
Atheists proclaim to be intellectually superior and have an aptitude for logical and critical thinking, yet they fail to understand something so simple. It just boggles my mind.
>>76322180
bump against multi-culturalism :^)
>>76322180
Agreed.
>>76322180
>Atheists proclaim to be intellectually superior and have an aptitude for logical and critical thinking
Typically, the people that actually say things like this out loud and in public have neither intellectual superiority nor logical and critical aptitude.
>>76322180
Isnt your country like 99% fedoras?
>>76322180
Never thought I'd say this, but I agree with you, swede.
>>76323304
Unfortunately, yes.
>>76322180
Atheism is the only way to mercilessly attack Islam without being branded as a racist.
>"Religions are all stupid and sometimes harmfull, but Islam is the worst and should be banned as soon as possible"
>>76323914
Islam is not a race mate, it doesn't matter how much you hate other religions
Christian countries in Latin America and Africa are completely plagued by degeneracy. Meanwhile, atheistic nations like the DPRK are incredibly nationalistic and are practically degeneracy free.
A strong sense of nationalism with faith in the people and the country is far superior to having faith in some fake dune coon god. That and having a superior race (white or Asians) inhabit the country certainly helps.
>>76324584
>Christian countries in Latin America and Africa are completely plagued by degeneracy.
That's because they aren't white countries.
>Meanwhile, atheistic nations like the DPRK are incredibly nationalistic and are practically degeneracy free.
How would you know? Ever been there? You literally can't tell what's propaganda and what isn't.
>some fake dune coon god.
See pic-related. Jesus was white.
>>76324584
You have no idea what degeneracy is
Christianity has, and always will be, the ultimate white man's bluepill. Many self-proclaimed Christians are as degenerate as any other contemporary westerner. Christians in Africa and Latin America are degenerate as fuck as well.
It was the 68 neomarxist "revolution"l, globalist media/entertainment, and subversion by globalist political entities (EU/NATO in our case) that destroyed western culture. The erosion of religion wasn't a cause, it was a symptom of the on-going process of globalization.
>>76322180
I agree. Hopefully those Pagan fags don't come in with their lies that can be easily disproved saying Christianity destroyed the west and then talk about how their belief system is better and more Alpha because they point to cherry picked """Christians."""
>>76322180
hmm, i think the cat is out of the bag on religion though. It's hard to shove it back in there for large populations of a race that is pretty virtuous already and one with sufficiently high IQs.
The only answer then would be a noble lie(perhaps?). But the actual answer seems to just be a a eugenic world where the virtuous and smart people are selected for. Religion can certainly tell people "what" the """absolute""" """"morals"""" """""are"""" but it's just assertions based on the intuitions of the people that created those religions anyway. Certainly some human populations are smart enough on average to have these civilizing beliefs without imagining the spiritual watchdog.
There are good ways to make moral decisions based on reducing suffering and respecting autonomy.
So I wouldn't recommend trying to dumb down the conversation by saying we should appeal to an arbitrary higher power's "morals". But I also recognize that a good chunk of humanity needs this. Solution??? Breed better people.
>>76324355
Hitchens foresaw the confusion
i think he was just saying that people make this error.
>>76324848
>The erosion of religion wasn't a cause, it was a symptom of the on-going process of globalization.
And why would it have been a symptom if our religion wouldn't have been a part of Western civilisation?
Also, define your subjective degeneracy and tell me why I should agree with you
>>76324993
Well meme'd
>>76324993
Tell me why I should stop myself from killing you right now. Assuming that I could do it with just my thought. According to your morals
And then tell me why I should listen to you
>>76324848
>"many" of X are just as bad as Y, therefore whole X is as bad as Y
Moral universalism is wrong, so it wreaks wrongheaded harm and the tools of moral universalism think they are right because they believe it and so act guiltlessly and effectively psychotically in the name of moral universalism.
>>76322180
Not everyone needs an invisible, imaginary magic friend in the sky to scare them into submission and validate their actions, Agnetha
>>76325401
Randomly murdering someone will do you a social disservice. People will be extremely wary of you and you become untrustworthy and feared. It also shows a lack of self-control.
You could, also, kill because God told you to.
I hope you don't need religion to not randomly kill.
>>76325571
Of course not. You are your own god, you completely control your life and you create good and evil
>>76325670
>Randomly murdering someone will do you a social disservice. People will be extremely wary of you and you become untrustworthy and feared. It also shows a lack of self-control.
Assume no one found out
>>76323914
Except the vast majority of Atheists are too pussy to go after Islam and prefer to go after the Christians who they know won't do shit.
This comes from an Atheist btw.
>Atheism plays a large role (perhaps one of the biggest) in the destruction of western civilization. It is one of the root causes for the degeneracy and overall moral decline we see today.
No shit, Sherlock.
>>76324768
>That's because they aren't white countries.
Many Latin American countries have a significant white population.
>How would you know? Ever been there? You literally can't tell what's propaganda and what isn't.
Degeneracy is pretty much against the law in the DPRK (ex. homosexual rights not recognized, music and art that promote degeneracy is illegal).
>>76325694
Even if you are not literally a god, behaving as if you were makes the most sense.
Everyone seeing good and evil from their own point of view is moral relativity.
If we share the same frame of reference our conceptions of good and bad are likely to jive.
It is multi-frame of reference and doesn't preclude cultures being hostile to each other and each culture
>>76325401
Well the religion I subscribe to told me to murder all the other outright if I have to. So you're right, as a true believer there is nothing wrong with killing you.
(Of course, I and all other decent humans you would want to coexist with don't have these random murderous impulses. At some points in history collections of stable memes (don't kill your neighbor!) were compounded into religious doctrine because not everyone is a decent person.
>>76325694
Im here for a little while
Shit happens, or it doesnt
I will die, sometime, somehow
>The End
I agree to an extent. I'm an agnostic atheist myself but I feel like nationalism has filled the religion void. So as long as what you fill that "need to worship something" void with something non-degenerate, it's ok. The problems come when you forget about it and get into moral relativism/saying morals don't exist.
>>76326253
>Even if you are not literally a god, behaving as if you were makes the most sense.
How does it make sense?
>Everyone seeing good and evil from their own point of view is moral relativity.
Doesn't matter what people do. It matters only whether good and evil are absolute
>If we share the same frame of reference our conceptions of good and bad are likely to jive.
Doesn't in the least mean we'd be right or wrong about them
>It is multi-frame of reference and doesn't preclude cultures being hostile to each other and each culture
It precludes us from even forming a culture if we don't truly believe in it
>>76326270
It's irrelevant what religion you have to me. To me, you're either a Christian or you have no morality, because the only morality I believe in is the Christian morality
You could form your very own philosophy right now for all I care it wouldn't matter
>>76326571
>I feel like nationalism has filled the religion void
Exactly this.
>>76322180
Please look up Stefan molyneux - universally preferable behaviour
And study. Realize the error and spread the good word. Ty
>>76326270
And you have to remember that for the grander part of our history we were doing shit like this
This is what happens without our religion
>Check the figures beside our nations' stats
>>76326560
Don't live as if you might've well have not
>>76322180
Everyone knows God exists Romans 1:18-22
>>76325694
This. Even if you are not literally a God you should create your own good and evil as if you were.
Everyone defining good and bad from their own frame of reference is moral relativity.
This is multiculturalism that can encompass cultures that are hostile to each other for valid reasons withim their own frames of reference.
Only moral universalists force every culture to exist on equal terms and find a common moral basis they share between them.
That many moral universalists try to impose 'peace' with their frameworks in their quest for universality leads to what haters of what is commonly referred to as 'multiculturalism' dispisr and ironically blame on lack of universal morals.
What they fail to articulate is their own intuition that various cultures ARE hostile to each other. Instead they decry that the other culture doesn't share their wrongheaded and ill conceived current favorite set of supposedly universal morals.
>>76325571
Read Romans 1
>>76327248
>Everyone know that the religion I was told to believe by my mommy and daddy is the ultimate truth!
>>76327365
Good luck convincing "your people" to accept things you don't even seriously believe in
As soon as you say it's subjective and arbitrary, you'll never be able to get someone to agree with you
Not by reason that is
>>76322180
That strawman is almost dead, keep at it Sven
>>76327697
You know God exists, and you hate him because you love your sin
>>76322180
Oh yeah because ALLAHU AKBAR is totally western and its not instead polluting western culture
You fucking niggertard
>>76327801
I personally believe that everyone is aware of the existence of God, it's just that this knowledge is being suppressed (through media primarily). When you start "believing", you just come to terms with what you already know.
>>76322180
>being this triggered
Go back to tumblr faggot
>>76325924
Atheists dont go against anyone m8... Unless you are the kind of inversed REPENT-THE END IS NIGH guy
>>76328048
Allahu akbar would have never infiltrated our cultures if there were still believing Christians to go around
Pains my heart to know that we believe in nothing nowadays
>>76328056
Read Romans one, we suppress this truth in our sinful nature, the gift of salvation is freely given Once and for all, but people run from the opportunity because they know it will change them, they will grow to hate their sin and strive to live like Christ
>>76327801
>You know that the biblical God is real! It's says that you do in the bible!
Fucking hell, every time I want to give Christcucks the benefit of the doubt, they prove that they are completely retarded.
>>76328306
Allah wakbar would have never infiltrated our culture if Christians weren't such pussy faggots
>>76328363
>I don't agree with you, therefore you are wrong - the New Atheist post
>>76328363
If I proove to you that The Christian God exists, would you worship him
>>76328471
It only happened once we stopped believing. Western Europe is no longer Christian
>Religion creates morals
The ancient bluepill
>>76328471
Kek'd, thanks m8
>>76328499
You"re wrong because you suck BBC, that's different
>>76328471
You have never met some redneck baptist guys then
>>76328363
>>You know that the biblical God is real! It's says that you do in the bible!
what is this i dont even
>>76323304
And it's shit because of it.
>>76326270
>Since there is no God, you should see what is good for you as Good and what is bad for you as Evil. Your will is king. I
E. Do what you want
> Doesn't mean you'd be right
Without a frame of reference right is meaningless. Bu judging for yourself like a god, you create right and wrong for yourself
> precludes culture
Not at all, I grew up in a culture that I believe in and value. I believe in things like democracy free speech and liberality. I believe in the cheesy bits too. It all has power and I am of it and depend on it and it and it makes up a largish part of my frame of reference.
>>76328518
If he was a man that literally came down from the heavens, performed miracles, floated around and defied physics, and controlled the weather and moved mountains, would I worship him?
No, I would try to end him and then study his biology to better humanity
>>76328637
I'll see you when our blood pours in the street, Mohamed
Let's hope it'll not be a one-sided fight
>>76328776
Pure aryan master race here. Stay mad Mehmet
>>76328499
I was simply pointing out how comically fallacious his argument was.
>>76328752
Well you proved my point. I'd be wasting my time trying to convince you of something u already know
>>76322180
Don't worry, sven. Muslims will drive away those nasty fedoras.
>>76328870
You are white for nothing if you are not a Christian
Culturally you are nothing
>>76328880
And here I thought you were just calling him a retard
You don't need some clever philosophical reason to defend the moral superiority of your culture. It is YOUR culture. Stop being a cuck and defend your shit.
>>76328518
Uhhhhh idk?
>>76328987
I kinda think that these immigrants are a judgement on the Europeans who abandoned God
>>76328360
Read Action Comics No. 1. There was this planet called Krypton, and it exploded. But before it did, Jar-el put his son in a rocket, and he landed in the midwest in a place called America on a planet called Earth! And Earths single yellow sun gives him powers and abilities far beyond those of mortal men! And now he wages a never-ending struggle for truth, justice and the American way!
>>76328886
What's your point again, exactly?
>>76327712
I believe in my culture very seriously
>>76329124
Of course they are. This is why Sweden should not be made fun of for treating them like messengers of God.
>>76329124
Most atheist country in Europe would kinda disagree.
>>76329094
So God has revealed himself to you in a way that you can know for certain, what evidence could I give u to convince you he exists.
>>76329082
We have no culture anymore, not in this part of the continent
People here no longer believe in what it used to represent
If you ever want to claim them back, you better start believing in absolutes
>>76329124
Why would God just send a massive tsunami or something? Why would he punish them with niggers?
>>76327712
When reason fails there's always art and music
>>76322180
Only degenerates use the word degenerate to try and shame people with different beliefs.
OP is degenerate.
>>76329243
What reason would you have if it's just a subjective, arbitrary and objectively meaningless preference?
>Atheism plays a large role (perhaps one of the biggest) in the destruction of western civilization.
>>76329223
You know God exists. Atheists are looking for God like a robber looks for a cop. Christs gift of salvation is free, and people run from it because men like their darkness
>>76329452
You really think this pope is not an atheist?
>>76329280
Nigger, what? Like the other anon said, what is your point?
>>76328994
At least I'm not a shitskin Christian sucking BBC on daily basis
>pic related, master race things you'll never have
>>76329426
Sure. There's always to indoctrinate them
>>76322180
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ml3ElFztNc
>>76329555
I will enjoy seeing your burn in hell for all eternity.
>>76322180
>2016
>Simplifying life through the religious glass.
Also... morality, really? (I'm not erally into this, but...)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yydR6r7NNE
The Fall of Western Man
-Traditionalism------------------------------------------------Liberalism-
Christianity --> Deism --> Agnosticism --> Atheism --> Nihilism
>>76329555
>The same eye colour of the people who utterly destroyed the Roman Empire
>>76329700
>>76329473
No, people don't "run from it" implying it's necessary or inevitable, people disregard it because God's and Christianity's ideas of "darkness" are hand-me-downs of tribalism and sometimes even absurd bullshit like abstaining from sex until marriage, biology tells us we're polygamous animals and have multiple partners.
Is science the "darkness" of which we atheists like? So I guess the "light" is faith?
>>76329765
shitskin confirmed
>>76329813
oh, smug animu. You sure aint no cuck, pierre!
Godless tard
>>76329326
Because when you deny the God that everyone knows exists, you blaspheme him.
Examples of this are as follows
Conquest of Caanan
The Asserian conquest of northern Israel
The Babylonian conquest of Judea
The destruction of the temple 70 AD
God can use multiple methods to punish people but getting raided by others is a way of this
>>76330010
>name calling
Is your argument falling apart?
http://pastebin.com/xMQ9wAwW
For those curious about God.
>>76329473
That makes absolutely no logical sense what so ever.
>>76329700
Also
>implying that if God exists we won't all burn for eternity
You're on 4chan mate, that's pretty heretic
>>76329263
Exactly, that's the problem
>>76322180
When they talk about all this high values they are talking about the white people, if you think about jews, niggers, and others of the kind, you understand atheism is really fucked up.
>>76330116
Its not supposed to, religion is not about logic, its about emotions.
>>76330198
how come?
>>76323107
>I'm not lacking intellectual or logical aptitude YOU ARE
Fucking way to go man, incredible reply. Bravo.
>>76330083
>argument
What argument Pajeet ?
>>76330257
We're not all heartless automatons
You're turning into machines
>>76322180
As a degenerate atheist, I concur.
>>76329906
No science is a natural philosophical method of observation and discovery based upon tests that assumes consistency i.e. Mathematics, logic, reason. Science is good in looking at the natural world
>>76330116
How does an Atheist account for Logic?
>>76330396
The argument that being (Western) white doesn't give you any free pass on being right
You can't get away that easily. You've got to think as well
>>76322180
You're a fucking idiot, like most religious people.
>>76325571
white women do
Im like anyone else on /pol/ except I dont care at all about religion.
>>76330545
>how does a Christian count cheese?
You are making no sense, senpai.
>>76330676
>You're a fucking idiot, like most religious people.
And you're a fucking idiot, like most people.
>>76322180
Being saved by Jesus a few years back is the greatest thing that ever happened to me and the best I ever felt in my life. It was unbelievable. My life has been much better since then, but it obviously isn't perfect and I'm not a perfect person. I had done a lot of things up until then to hurt myself and other people and I still pay the consequences for that, on this earthly plain, and that's as it should be. I would love to see everybody come to know him but unfortunately most won't
God bless famm :)
>>76326593
>Doesn't matter what people do. It matters only whether good and evil are absolute
You're fucking retarded. If you need sky daddy to tell you that you get cook alive for all eternity unless you are good, maybe you're not fucking good. Fucking degenerates.
>>76325770
>Assume no one found out
Mentally deficient cuck.
>>76330291
This...Actual logic on a religious thread. Fucking amazing.
>>76330676
At least refute his argument please you're making me very sad.
/pol/ has really dumbed down these past few years
>>76330257
Back when Christianity had some influence in Europe, Islam would not be welcome because of the nature of Muslims to tear apart western society and convert by the sword.
Now with secular tolerance, they welcome in a danger to western civ that would have no problem making sheriah law a thing, which means all the secular values they fought for would be crushed
>>76330580
>You've got to think as well
We're on 4chan mate. If I wanted to argue, I'd go somewhere else
>>76330676
Not an argument
Have fun being underage :)
>>76324768
Jesus was white?
Actually he was the king of the Jews.
Jesus how are religious people so deeply, deeply fucking stupid?
>>76330544
I actually liked that song
>>76322180
>which makes it possible to morally rationalize any action
You seem to be out of touch with reality, my man. You see, humans have this amazing ability to justify doing anything, whether they are religious or not. Religious people can very easily twist their scriptures until it fits their worldview.
The problem is, my man, that even if there is universal right and wrong, most religions are very vague about what it is. Also a problem is the fact that different religions consider different things right, and I can't think of a way of telling which religion is correct. I mean, if right can be told from wrong purely through reason, then why do we need god for universal morality? We can deduce it, just like we can deduce the area of the triangle from a set of axioms. And if we can't tell right from wrong solely through reason, then it is arbitrary, and how does one tell which arbitrary set of morals is the right one?
>>76322180
I am not atheist but only due to im stubborn as fuck, I have every reason to believe that god does not exist, for example:
1)Got born white in Brazil, one of the most nigger ridden countries of the Americas.
2)Got born in Brazil, the most corrupted shithole in the americas
3)Got born in Brazil, where I get discriminated by my own people over my skin color.
4)Got born in Brazil, which means that despite being white I am not considered to be white by the rest of the world, which means that not even my own race accepts me.
5)Got born in Brazil, which forced me to go to school with a bunch of shitskins who made my life a living hell throughout my school years.
6)Got in one of the best universities of Latin America and studied hard for 6 years, just to graduate at the worst economical crisis of the past 2 decades, ending as a worthless NEET despite having endured all the hardships of college to get a good job.
So far my life has been pretty shitty, and I just can't help but wonder why would god punish me like this. Maybe he has a greater plan for me, but I sure as hell don't see it.
>>76330738
Can you use logic to proove that logic works?
>>76330979
Define degeneracy and tell me why you're objectively right
>>76324584
Or maybe a healthy mix of both atheist and christian values is good. Most things are not black and white.
>>76322180
As an Atheist I have to pretty much concede your points. Too many nu males idiots to even want to be associated with them. Although, I must say that Christianity has played it's part with their "turn the other cheek" bullshit.
>>76331082
God works in mysterious ways
>>76322180
Then i'm a pagan.
>>76330677
That makes no sense, dude
>>76331021
You must think everyone here has to be cancer
You actually have a choice
>>76331205
Atheists can't account for objective morality, good and evil is just an opinion
>>76331021
>I'm only pretending to be retarded
>>76331056
Who doesn't ?
>>76324768
Jesus was a koon.
>>76331261
Hurr durr
>>76322180
>>76324848
>It was the 68 neomarxist "revolution"l, globalist media/entertainment, and subversion by globalist political entities (EU/NATO in our case) that destroyed western culture. The erosion of religion wasn't a cause, it was a symptom of the on-going process of globalization.
http://www.ewtn.com/library/HOMELIBR/HERESY7.TXT
the Catholic Church is and always has been the basis and foundation of European civilization
>>76331300
>You must think everyone here has to be cancer
Pretty much
>>76331334
Are you only pretending to suck BBC ?
![ab4ae1d0[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/tjxD7Ks.jpg "ab4ae1d0[1].jpg")
>>76325571
Some do, Bjorn.
>>76331145
I can use logic to reason about the completeness of a system. So, to that extent, yes.
>>76331345
My total point is everyone knows God exists, and they will be held without excuse on judgement day, but there is a way to be saved, Jesus Christ, who paid for the sins of the elect, so that some will escape judgement, you must repent ( change mind) and put your trust in Jesus alone to receive the free gift of salvation
>Atheism: No Good, No Evil, No Hope.
>>76331487
Yep, so what
As an atheist/agnostic, how do I get into a religion when it feels like I'm just fooling myself into it when I try to pray or believe something? I feel embarassed on a subconscious level when I try to take it seriously. It seems pathetic and arbitrary to me since it was never part of my upbringing. I do really find it interesting from a philosophical viewpoint, I've read Aquinas, I find a lot of it illuminating, but at the end of the day when I'm alone and contemplative I know in my heart its just a noble lie, that deep down I can never really believe. And from the outside when I observe and talk with my friends that are religious, there is just something about their attitude that betrays an almost desparate acceptance of a communal delusion, like nobody really buys into it but thinks that others do. I cant reconcile this with the dark void in my soul that wants to believe in something.
Why dont you faggots do something useful instead of this degenerate shit
>>76331261
>God works in mysterious ways
Totally, but he sure could give us some hints as to what his will is, that would help.
Right now I figure my reason for existing is to crack the skull of faggots, lesbos and trannies to rid our society of their degeneracy, it sure is fun and feels quite right but I just can't help but think it is kind of futile, no matter how many of these fucking faggots I crush there are always more everywhere! We are fucking overwhelmed as it is and their numbers are on the rise!
Maybe this is a sign that we need to recruit more people and expand our operation, but it is hard to do so withoun't drawing attention of the police to ourselves.
>>76331733
>Using logic to reason (apply logic)
Redundant
>>76322180
read some Albert Camus. You fucks.
Read shakespeare. You fucks.
All holy books are literature and myths.
All oral traditions, books, movies, shows, memes, are myths that teach morality.
Oscar Wilde: there is no such thing as a moral or immoral book, only good and bad writing. (paraphrased)
>Christian Bible > better written then Muzzy bible
Shakespeare>more complex moral teachings than Christian bible
>people who dogmatically adhere to any one myth or creed are the sources of evil
>>76331769
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4OhXQTMOEc
>>76331733
Do you know for a fact that your reasoning is valid? How do you know your not schizophrenic in a hospital?
>>76331321
Of course atheism can account for objective morality. There are three kinds of objective morality, all of which are 100% compatible with atheism.
There's Objectivism (no comment), there's robust moral realism (which is basically that right and wrong exist in a platonic sense), and moral universalism (the idea that a system of morality or ethics are universally valid without any further semantic or metaphysical claim).
Atheism has nothing to do with whether you believe in "objective morality." The only thing it disqualifies you from believing in is Divine Command Theory.
Generally people don't even fucking know what 'objective' and 'subjective' means. They're probably thinking of 'absolutist' morality and 'relativist' morality, which again don't have shit to do with atheism.
>>76322180
Yes of course. And a fairy man invented by peasants in the desert gave you 10 commandments, 6 of which are ridiculous is where you get your moral code. There is a universal moral and it IS in us because of biology. Murder is considered bad everywhere and affects the psychology of those that commit it. You might try making a substantial argument before you try to sound intelligent.
>>76331684
Nice one, centurian! Cheers!
>>76330990
We have are one of the most atheistic countries in the world and we are still less welcoming than the Christian countries like US, UK, France, Germany or Austria.
>>76331746
Batshit insane. Please do not take his opinion into account as it is wrong.
>>76331038
Funny thing is, Stefan isn't religious.
>>76331876
>Le violent mulatto face
>>76331927
>How do you know your not schizophrenic in a hospital?
If I were, I should have far more interesting people with whom to talk.
>>76331807
Read Romans 1
John 3
Then Romans 10
And you will know exactly what to do. Bible gateway is on the computer, ask me if you have any Questions
>>76331927
Because he can see right through your useless question.
>>76331807
Well, in my personal experience, I would say to so just start living as righteously as possible (I'm not saying you're acting incredibly degenerate or anything, I'm just saying) and attend church sometimes. If you try praying to God, just be honest. Tell him that you want to know him and that you just aren't sure yet. Try reading the bible in small pieces too and see if anything clicks. I would recommend the gospels, which are the first four books of the New Testament
>>76331321
Neither can religion. They still haven't bridged the is-ought game.
>>76331893
Memes aside, Camus is a very interesting author. L'Etranger is truly a masterpiece
>>76331321
>good and evil is just an opinion
true for literally everyone on the planet
>>76332216
>>76331807
Faith and knowledge are 100% mutually exclusive. And whichever Christian tells you otherwise is a liar
None of us know God is real, and that's why many of us appear delusional
We are all de facto agnostic theist Christians, even if people want to pretend otherwise or feel otherwise
You have to let that part inside you that yearns for truth and absolute benevolence take over if you want to ever connect to the idea of God on that level
Faith is the only thing that could ever establish that
>>76332064
I don't even know who that is lol
Still, wasn't an argument
>>76331658
>Gun
That's a fucking SMAW, you retard. It's a rocket launcher.
>>76330467
But the natural world is "sinful" or "unnatural" in Christianity, so it must mean that it is the "darkness" of which the guy I quoted was talking about.
>>76332370
I'm not OP though
Do you have a point though? What's your problem with what I said?
>>76331893
Well, Camus can do, but Sartre is smartre!
>>76331890
Okay I've told you what you must do, accept it or Reject it, But you will stand before God one day and this opportunity will be brought up at your Judgement
>>76324355
Tell that to the liberals. They think Jews aren't a race and they think Muslims are. Fucking hilarious
>>76332257
haha was just trying to reach out to the broader /pol audience by including memes, like a roman christian appropriating pagan symbols
>>76332169
>Appeal to ridicule
>>76332200
Not a rebuttal
>>76332037
>murder is bad everywhere
Except in times of self defense or war right?
>>76332571
You mean the judgement day that has been "Predicted" to happen so many times Wikipedia has lost count?
>>76331807
Also, you can't be delusional with regard to something that can't ever be established as a fact or falsity
>>76332482
>I'm not OP
You think like OP, same thing.
>What's your problem with what I said ?
The other guy says that he can't pray God because deep inside he finds it dumb, and your tip is "pray God".
>>76322180
>it's a Swede shilling for Islam thread
>>76325964
nhk ni youkoso
>>76332510
eh...less respect to a turgid author.
philosophers are better if they read like poetry or literature, not like science manuals. it alienates the reader and obscures his truth from a wider readership
>>76331999
In all three of those systems, you have no standard to tell anyone not to rape, kill, or steal. Things are right and wrong based upon its consistency with Gods nature, stealing is wrong because God is not a thief, lying is always wrong because God cannot lie
>>76331999
You'd perhaps be able to get away with objective morality, but how would you do the same with absolute morality?
You'd have to start assuming at some point
>>76332671
Review the conversation, and the other posts by PyyGr1NJ. I don't feel obligated to adhere to rigorous debate standards when talking to a troll.
This is the second time you've offered your opinion, without actually saying anything of value. Would you like to try again?
>>76322180
Christianity is one of thousands of religions. It was not the first. It will not be the last. It did not invent morality. Christians cannot prove the existence of God just has atheists cannot disprove it. Religion was invented by humans to get other humans to stop being dickbags by threatening them with eternal damnation and bribing them with eternal salvation. The truth is, nobody really knows what's going on. You didn't analyze all of the religions of the world and then become a Christian because it was the most likely to be true. You are a Christian because you were born under the right circumstances to become one. Were you born in an ancient society on the other side of the globe, you would likely be an adherent to some other stupid thing. Just stop. Morality can exist independently from religion.
>>76332824
I said "if" you pray to God...why are you lying?
I said to start living better first. If that makes you feel closer to God like it did for me, then he might want to try praying. I'm just giving him advice that worked for me. Why are you posting pictures of dicks in mouths in this thread and calling me a faggot for that?
>>76332608
I would if they wouldn't send me to jail for it
Fucking cowards
>>76333124
>Why are you posting pictures of dicks in mouths in this thread and calling me a faggot for that?
I'm bored and I have nothing else to do
>>76332062
until you experience the regeneration of being born again, what I am saying would appear to be total insanity
>>76332169
And you know this to be true?
>>76330990
The whole German government are Christians, a Christian Party is in Power, yet they welcome Muslims. This Parsons are the first calling for tolerance towards Muslims, and they can, cause they were gaining Power when secularism was rolled back over the last years. They are Brothers in mind.
>>76333059
>I don't feel obligated to adhere to rigorous debate standards when talking to a troll.
I could add something of value if you would as well
>>76327801
I don't believe that God exists, I simply believe that a lot of people like to think that their life is in hands other than their own, or who fear death so much that they have to believe that there is something after.
This thread again, mohammad?
>>76333331
SO FUCKING CLOSE
>>76332221
No Gods standard is the objective one
Hey at least I'm not a Muslim.
>>76333232
You didn't answer why you lied about, or at least misrepresented what I said
Figures
>>76333331
>>76332267
Is it always wrong to torture babies for the mear sake of pleasure?
>>76322180
>Atheism is degenerate
Is where I stopped reading.
You have to prove god exists to make people who like believing in things that are proven believe in god, you know
>>76332378
I know, and so does everyone else Romans 1
>>76333511
And sacrificing your son to appease God?
Then God said, "Take your son, your only son, whom you love--Isaac--and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you."
>>76333464
I react to things I find dumb or memeworthy. The rest of your post was normal, so I don't react
>>76322180
The problem is the autistic faggots who become atheists and then fail to gain any actual spiritual enlightenment. They just become cunts and post to /r/atheism and masturbate to furry porn.
All in all I have realized you are right and atheism just begets nihilism. You aren't an atheist just because you reject organized religion. While moral relativism is simply a reality of our universe, society itself needs a moral fabric and religion does a good job of generally providing that for most normal people. Look at the rate of single motherhood that has exploded in the past 30 years because of irreligious liberal politics. When it became acceptable to pop out a niglet baby and not have a ring on your finger, thats when this country was lost.
>>76331292
It actually makes a lot of sense
>>76322180
>dem kids is lost without god
fuck off grandpa
>>76332431
The world is fallen, but even in this fallen world, we can examine the beauty of Gods creation. We are also created in the image of God, so we have a desire to create things and understand Gods universe
>>76333324
Fine, let's start with your assertion that you would be sent to jail for saying: a) Jews are a race, and b) Muslims are not a race.
In case you've forgotten, it's derived from this post: >>76333173
I think you may be tragically mistaken in your understanding of the legal system in our country. I also think you know very well the purpose of the 'Islam isn't a race' meme, and are simply being disingenuous.
Discuss.
>>76333511
that is my opinion
I acknowledge that good and evil are and have always been subjective qualitative opinions
I have said it before and I'll say it again
Realizing that organized religion is a business and nothing more is the red pill most of /Pol/ cannot seem to swallow
Wake up shit birds you have let men rule your way of life through fear of death to get money and moral power to influence the government in there favor
" Remember to give the church ten percent of your gross not your net pay"
I fucking kek at you religious cucks
By all means believe in a higher power cause there is no proof that a higher power does not exist just don't let a business cuck you out of your money because "muh morals"
Though you probably will give your priest or pastor money so he can tell you how good of a person you are cause you are moral retard and need a book to tell you murder is wrong.
>>76333511
If you lived in a Society where this habit was accepted and usual, would you ask this question?
>>76322180
Why is moral universalism important? Gays and transgendered people don't destroy a civilization. You can have a strong national identity and still be tolerant. It's usually religious ideologies which are violent in nature.
>>76332737
The Bible says that no man can know the day or hour, so those guys should have read the Bible before making silly predictions
>>76333601
You can know about God (Romans 1:19), and the idea of God/ what God represents (Romans 1:20)
But one may never know God truly
>>76326804
Sure, instead of worshiping a perfect being, instead of worshiping God, you worship a man.
YOU HAVE TO GO BACK
>>76333904
I'd be gay to trigger christcucks to no end
Serious question: how come religious people live longer than non-religious people?
>>76333006
>In all three of those systems, you have no standard to tell anyone not to rape, kill, or steal.
Sure you do. All three offer a standard, although I'm not about to argue the Randian position, so lets just go with the other two.
You seem to believe, mistakenly, that there's only two kinds of morality: Divine Command Theory and that which is based off empiric observation.
>Things are right and wrong based upon its consistency with Gods nature, stealing is wrong because God is not a thief, lying is always wrong because God cannot lie
Again, Divine Command Theory is just one form of morality.
>>76333018
Moral absolutism also is independent of Divine Command Theory. Tons and tons of religious people believe in exceptions to this and that, so there are plenty of non absolutist DCT believers.
>You'd have to start assuming at some point
Yeah, everyone does.
>>76334112
Source?
>>76333323
How "Christian" are they. Apostasy is a thing, and not everyone who says they are a Christian, are. There are plenty of scottsman. Politicians lie about being Christians all the time.
>>76333820
>I think you may be tragically mistaken in your understanding of the legal system in our country
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2614834/Arrested-quoting-Winston-Churchill-European-election-candidate-accused-religious-racial-harassment-repeats-wartime-prime-ministers-words-Islam-campaign-speech.html
Discuss
>>76334112
i hear their souls are immortal
>>76334242
Because you're British
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1479774/The-secret-of-long-life...-go-to-church.html
>>76322180
most atheists don't follow an ideology
you can be an atheist without being a degenerate but retards don't realise this
atheists that fallow an ideology are based as fuck
>>76334232
My main qualms are against New Atheist philosophies to be honest
Old Atheists (such as yourself I imagine) tend to mind their own business
>>76334417
i don't follow any ideologies
what am i missing
>>76333331
Romans 1 you know God exists and you are held without excuse.
John 3 what you must do to be saved from Gods wrath
This day you can be saved, and hell will never be your destination ever again
>>76334417
muslims must be based as fuck then
>>76333578
Here you go Romans 1, how do I proove something to someone who already knows.
>>76334365
I think I used the word disingenuous in my previous comment. You know very well, or ought to, that story refers to Paul Weston being arrested for a public order offence. He wasn't arrested for what he was saying, but because when plod told him to move along, he refused.
>>76334406
"Although the researchers acknowledged that regular churchgoers could lead more abstemious lives, they insisted that they had factored these variants into the study by examining a control group of equally healthy non-believers. The variation, they said, had made no appreciable difference."
Atheism implies to absence of gods not the lack of ethics or sensibility. For instance Buddhism is usually considered atheistic.
>>76334687
Read the story. Someone felt offence for what he was saying
>>76334699
Ok dissect this one
http://witscience.org/christians-live-longer-believers-scientists-say/
>>76322180
muh invisible sky-daddy!!!
>>76333645
God made a promise to Abraham prior to that saying that Isaac would have many decendants, God can't lie, so he knew God would either stop him, or bring Isaac back from the dead, ironically this story alludes to the sacrifice of Jesus
what do you want me to do? Just believe in God? fuck off
>>76334814
I read the story when it happened, 2 years ago. I haven't read the DM version of it until today, but even they have it in black and white:
>Police officers arrested Mr Weston, mid-speech, for failing to comply with their request to move on under the powers of a dispersal order made against him.
>>76333824
So it's your opinion that it's always wrong to torture babies for pleasure?
>>76335010
>Psalm 14:1
