>be me, 21 years old apostate
>ex-muslim
>living in western europe
>telling my friends that islam is a threat to Europe, the west and everything
>"oh come on stop hating yourself man, you sure have an identity complex"
I just feel like the west is really doomed, actually I don't really care as I'm used to the muslim way of life.
>>76315543
so is it really true that muslims love to rape and murder?
>>76315543
Leftists will use the most bizarre "logic" to try and convince themselves that they are right, even if it's full of contradictions. It's nothing new.
>>76315543
Nah do not worry brother, people will snap out of it whenbit starts effecting their life, the majority of leftist who ignore violent islam, have never actually been around crazy islamists but if they were theyd become rightwingers and those few who still fall for it will see their mistake before death
>>76315543
It's not a religion thing. It's a race thing. The barbaric races are just attracted to Islam due to its assertiveness, white/chink Muslims actually are peaceful.
>>76315543
Yeah, but when the mudshits take over, won't they execute you for betraying mohammed (piss be upon him)?
Keep fighting the good fight, we need former muslims to shit on the "religion of peace". Enough of this "not all muslims" deflection bullshit.
>>76315543
You're part of the problem. The left won't take you seriously because you're their pet and the right won't take you seriously because you're failing at one of the core principles: staying where you belong and fixing it.
>>76315789
>barbaric races
kek...please explain what race is that?
>>76315778
I mean housing prices in france along with taxes are crazy high because of their 10% muslim population welfare so
>>76316049
DESIGNATED
>>76316049
anything native to lands south of the equator, or near the equator.
>>76315803
Nope. I just fake it.
>>76315543
>Based ex-muslim
I feel for you, bro.
>>76315543
Jokes on you, you'll be the first on their killing list as their book says Allah will never forgive those who forsake him and then change their minds and come back.
>>76316153
South America, Mexico, Abbos, Africa + Middle east?
>>76315941
I clearly agree with what you mean. I've been in contact with some ex muslims that claim that the west is best etc....sorry but no. It's clearly not in the human nature to assimilate to other groups. That's called treason. I'd love to fix the muslim problem, but there's clearly no way I'm going to make this, There will be a war and we cannot avoid it.
>>76316153
So, pakistan, basically?
>>76316617
sounds about right, dunnit? You also forgot south east Asia.
>>76316714
sure.
>Beards are going to come back into fashion
>No more bacon
>Gays thrown off buildings
You win some, you lose some
>>76316153
WHAT? South of equator? Australia?
Perhaps you mean Barbary which comes from the word 'Berber'?
North Africa? Algeria, Tunisia, Morocco, Libya etc..?
>>76316763
How do you make your classifications ? It doesn't really make sense to me.
>>76316763
Are you calling yourself barbaric?
>>76317044
Nah m8, every race that originates at or south of the equator is absolute shit. Look at abbos, they are the epitome of barbarism, as defined today.
>>76317143
>>76317186
Well, ok, maybe the Indus Valley Civilization was an exception to the rule with its high-quality agriculture and hygiene practises, but otherwise you can't deny that the equator is what divides the civilized from the savage.
>>76317191
What the...You're not making any sense. And Abos migrated from India to Australia. G'night. Shabba Khair etc.
>>76317044
Pooman you're actually on to something.
I rarely reply on 4chan, but something about how you identified "berbers" really struck a chord with me. I personally have nothing against most muslims, I just really hate berbers, I didn't know barbarian came from that.
Thanks for the post, I'll keep in mind to put my hatred into subhuman berbers from now on.
>>76315543
You are doing god's work, anon. You help those who want to be helped, and let the rest burn. Stand out and shine in the face of untruths and conformism within the status quo. I believe France can be great again.
>>76316617
He means the entire third world.
Of which only a minority is Muslim. So his theory is obviously flawed.
>>76317440
Ah, I guess I fucked up on my estimation of how close to the equator India was. My bad.
>>76317354
Were the mongols what you'd call civilized ?
Plus, I don't believe the middle east and north africa (before islam especially) were more barbaric than the celts, the germans ... ?
>>76317463
Dude, how do you even tell the difference between a berbers, arab etc?
>>76317463
barbarians doesn't come from that. Barbarian comes from the greek word (meaning, non-greek, or non roman)
In north africa, those who identify as berbers aren't muslims most of the time, or they are pretty peaceful.
Historically, berbers were pro rome. They became a problem during the ottoman empire, when they started to consider themselves "arabs" even though they weren't.
The arab mentality is a problem to civilization. They created islam, berbers didn't. Their only crime was to lose against them. (One big army will always win against a thousand tiny ones)
>>76317690
Well, That's a good question. On the whole I'd say not, assuming by Mongols you're talking specifically about the 200 years before and after Genghis, since the Mongols wouldn't have been able to prevent an implosion of their society if they stopped invasions for the purpose of expansion. They'd be like the tiny warring factions they were before Genghis Khan united them.
>>76317689
only inbred muslim middle easterners who had their genetic heritage tainted by arabian nomads are barbaric. Christian levantines have no arab admixture.
>>76318090
You should try to read Evola's book, revolt against the modern world. It explains some important ideas about races, less ethnic, more spiritual. I think it's a better way to explain this.
>>76318301
true, same for syrians, or iraqis. The less arab they are (race and spirit) the nicer they are.
>>76318302
You're not the first atheist from a Muslim background to recommend that book to me. I'll look into it, but I don't think it'll change my opinion that on average some races are destined to be shittier than others.
>>76318498
nah it won't change it. Only confirm it, differently.
I'd be glad to know where you've met people from my background recommending this book btw.
>>76316691
I really how this would end, if it really came to war. With all the weakness, pathetic leftist ideology, self-loathing and effiminate nu males around, the West still has enough nukes in his arsenal to kill every living thing on planet earth a dozen times over. Although you cannot target your own country in a case of civil war, I simply can't believe the West would just die with a whimper, like a rubber ball shrinking, or a baloon loosing its air. This can't be the Europe in which every major country once had a world dominating Empire, can it? How could this even be possible?
>>76318301
Holy fuck this is some Argentina is white tier level shit. You already live in a shithole that is coveted by Israel don't divide and conquer for them.
>>76316049
non-Aryans
>>76318834
Lebanon is cool, you shut the fuck up fag
>>76318649
At my university. There's a lot of non-practising Muslims in my generation, and some of them even profess to be on-believers in private, although that's still illegal here. Work is being done to develop the legislation necessary to replace the existing blasphemy and apostasy laws, so it won't be this way forever.
>>76316911
If we're being honest: what would MEN have to lose, if Islam took over? Cheating, feminazi, appaling women who won't breed, but take your house, your money and your children? Slaving in work so the matriarchy princesses can get free stuff? A degenerate life style of promiscuous sex and drugs with barely any children, but a lot of abortions and single mothers supplied by alimony and the welfare state? Narcisstic materialism?
>>76319010
non-believers*
>>76318670
If the worse happens, then the best is yet to come.
>>76315543
How's that Taqiyya thing working out?
>>76319083
I guess you're not muslim yourself, aren't you?
I see the same situation in north africa, islam is losing territory. Some people are starting to realize that their civilization didn't started with islam.
>>76319557
oh no, I'm plenty Muslim. Some consider me not to be since I'm a Shia, though.
>>76319517
Do you know Tariq Ramadan ? very good example of what Taqqiya is. It's not something most people do. Most muslims don't mix with the others at all.
You+watch+aldo+sterone+vids+%3f
>>76319654
Shias are clearly nicer to speak with than sunnis. This also has to be considered.
>>76319517
>implying every "muslim" follows the book word by word
Question: Do you obey ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING in the bible? Prolly not, and through what stupid "logic" do you conclude that all muslims do
The Taqiyya meme is not helping anybody, because you're silencing and distancing actual muslims/ex-muslims who speak out against islam.
>>76319893
Non, trop sentimentaliste. C'est un genre de gauchiste anti islam.
Did your family disown you? My Dad snapped at me last time i saw him because i made a joke about Mo. Wish i could live free but afraid that isn't possible in the Islamofascist West
>>76319964
I wonder why it is that most of the extremists and suicide bombers and other terrorists are Sunnis. Afaik Wahabism also is a form of Sunni Islam and so is ISIS.
Not that Hezbollah or Iran are particular friends of the West, but I think Sunnis are on another level of murderours contempt and terrorism.
>>76320435
You could still move to a Eastern European country. In Poland they might beat you up, if you have brown skin, but Hungary might be an option. IF you could get in that is.
>>76320659
The whole creation of the Sunni sect was around rather questionable and suspicious event. That's why the Alewites view themselves as the only "true" muslims, and that sunnis are completely in the wrong. And afaik there are no Alawite terrorists.
>>76320659
Because they're Arabs.
>>76320810
The Alewites are not Muslims imo, since they believe in the divinity of Ali. I'm also biaed against them since they give all Shias a bad name.
>>76320963
If Alewites were the dominant islamic sect the middle east wouldn't be the shithole it is today
>>76321075
I didn't claim otherwise.
>>76318834
We only became a "shithole" after a massive demographic shift due to the civil war caused by the israeli gift of 500k palestinian muslims, what is your point? besides even with 60% of our population being muslim, we're still similar to romania in terms of living standards, and we're nowhere near as degenerate as you.
>>76321150
It really must suck being a non-insane person in Pakistan.
I'm originally from a pretty shitty country too, how do you cope with it all?
>>76315543
I have a question for you: do you still do Ramadan and eat pork? I know you drink alcohol, of course.
It is not a race thing, it is a religion thing.
We are taught since little that Islam will dominate and that it is just a matter of time.
There is something about this religion that is turning their followers crazy.
I know because I was raised muslim and I m quite skeptical about it but I would be lying if I said that I don't believe.
I'm really conflicted about this.
>>76321454
How do you know I'm not insane? Some of the people I hang out with say I should get tested for paranoid schizophrenia, although I'm sure that comes with being a Shia in a Shia-hating militant society (also because I'm a gun-nut). But really, nothing is as bad as it could be, if you have a nice home and some money to while away the time with.
>>76315543
I have Muslims who work for me that eat pork and drink beer like it is going out of style. They watch porn and cheat on their wives and still go to Mosque every Friday. Leaving Islam is the best thing you can do.
>>76321751
I meant not a zealot retard who doesn't do honor killings and other third-world country shit.
>>76322006
nobody I know does that stuff. You're thinking of rural Pakistanis, and urban migrants from rural areas.
you know that your type is first to die right, you born with the privilege of having a muslim family yet still lost your way...and people wonder why islam suggests to decapitate those who leave the way of allah, these guys are even worst then cancer of the world cumskins.
>>76315543
My muslim 'friends' here are absolutely insane.
Could you please come here for refuge and convert them away from islam please. America still has hope
>>76317704
A combination of skin tone, dialect, attitude, facial/skull structure (they have different noses for example), and most importantly hair.
Africanoid people's have fuzzy hair, almost like the negro.
>>76318030
What are they if they are not muslims.
>>76322128
I was born in roachland, and no one did that stuff around me either. It was the rurals. The problem is migrants from the rural areas were enough to turn the nice cities into complete shitholes, and they brought their political party of sharia-preaching fucktards into power thanks to sheer size.
It's intolerable.
>>76316129
SHITTING
>>76322294
Yeah, we re more handsome than gulf arabs that is for sure and we are not africanoids, what the fuck are you smoking?
>>76321593
>Molenbeek
I think the problem is the religion having way to much political undertones
Goodluck with ramadan though must be rough up here north
>>76322392
that must suck. Here, people from rural backgrounds have no economic power, or if they do they're overwhelmed with newfound access to hedonism. Either way, it prevents them from organizing real political power; the religious right in Pakistan has no religious agenda, they just manipulate the voter-bloc for political gain. It also help that the army and bureaucracy work together to hold a coherent progressive narrative together, and the current govt goes along with it since it benefits their economic backers.
>>76318301
A FUCKING TREE
>>76321593
That something is simply Islam.. I was a serious Christian, and I remember how faith can dominate your life to the point of life and death. Now just imagine this faith also tells you that your religionn shall and will dominate the world, its the command of God and that you are allowed to spread the religion with violence and that only peace will be when there is no more fitna.
It doesn't take a genius to understand that a system like that, especially if it doesn't know a seperation between religion and state, will lead to war, violence and civil war. Whenever you believe you are innherently superior and are destined to dominate the world, that's going to cause one hell of a lot of trouble, anon.
>>76315543
>I just feel like the west is really doomed
We kinda are. Do you want to start the western equivalent of the muslim brotherhood? It'd be fun.
>>76322194
Almost every time, I read a roach poster on this forum, I wonder why you haven't been kicked out of NATO and sanctioned to death like even Iran couldn't imagine.
>>76315789
and what's with paki sandniggers?
![Gateway-of-India-Laughing-Club[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/h852rDU.jpg "Gateway-of-India-Laughing-Club[1].jpg")
>>76317354
>hygiene practises
>>76319039
And we'd also be subject to barbaric restrictions on leisure activity, and be forced to hold nonsensical, anti-scientific beliefs while practicing iron-age rituals
>>76323558
R/k reproductive selection criteria. We're geared to having as many offspring as possible, and when you look like us, rape becomes a more feasible option by the day.
>>76320007
I'm not a Christian, but in my mind the difference is that the Bible is divinely inspired, and mostly the testimonies of the apostles when talking about the New Testament. The interpreted nature of it makes it easier for Christians to rationalize disbelieving the more radical stuff in there. The Quran, on the other hand, is the literal perfect word of God to Muslims, and more importantly, it's unreformable. So if God is literally telling you that killing apostates is just, you will probably hold the belief that killing apostates is just.
>>76323713
Not necessarily. If Germany for example would still be as strong as under Hitler today, WE would mould Islam to fit our society, with the warrior culture and family policy, not the other way around. Today however, yes, the West would bend over and be a good dhimmi.
>>76323919
It's funny that a Germann politician who metioned exactly that, Björn Höcke, caused a massive scanndal and was called a racist Nazi for even mentioning it - without the rape. Just birthrates and r/k strategy. There you see one example how cucked Germoney is.
>>76324229
Not only that, there are two important corner stones for the seperation of religion and state innstalled in the religion already: firstly "render unnto Cesar what is his" in the New Testament. Then the teaching of the two realms of heaven and earth, civitas dei and civitas terrena. Which St. Augustine created after the Ostrogoths saccked Rome which at the time was idenntified as the literal 1000 year empire before the apocalypse. He also created the teaching of original sin and was vvery active in the logic that if bad things happen to Christians, they must have sinned and acted against the will of God.
>>76324485
I think you underestimate a key part of what makes Islam so dangerous - that it claims itself to be the perfect, last and final word with no need for reform. There are just some concepts in Islam that cannot be removed from the faith due to its unreformable nature, concepts like
>Death for apostates
>Death for non-people-of-the-book
>No alcohol
>Mandatory prayer sessions
>Food must be halal
>Subservience of women to men
>The Hajj
>Concept of Jihad
>Concept of Martyrdom
>>76324229
While I don't disagree with you, let me provide an additional piece of knowledge that'll rationalize the degree of prohibition that Islam imposes on apostasy. One thing you have to realize is what political Islam considers apostasy to be. In Islam, you have certain responsibilities towards the State, but beyond that, the State doesn't have any rights over you. When you become an apostate, you violate one of the fundamental rights of the State, which is Zakat (poor tax). While jizya is always a set amount, Zakat is a percentage-based tax on your assets at the end of a fiscal year. Naturally, people will be incentivised to apostasize (apostize?) in order to save on their earnings. In fact, this is what happened during the first Caliph's time, the rich tribes of the land refused to pay Zakat because they claimed to not be Muslim anymore, and offered Jizya instead. The Apostasy purge was the result, and since then there has been a very strict prohibition on apostasy for fear of civil war.
>tl;dr there are historical economic reasons for not being allowed to become an apostate.
>>76324588
You won't get an argument with me regarding that. You're cucked as the day is long.
>>76324805
Yes, I should have mentioned that line (from Mark I think?) Anyway, Christianity did a very good thing for its longevity by having that "render unto Caesar" line. Islam has no such seperation between church and state, and in fact encourages their combining. That's why the majority of muslims nations across the world are religiously-dominated, and the internal strife within these countries is usually sectarian in nature
>>76325018
Forgot to mention, as long as you pay Zakat, the shariah state can't/won't/shouldn't brand you an apostate unless you go about telling people you don't believe in the pillars of faith that make up Islam.
>>76315543
>"oh come on stop hating yourself man, you sure have an identity complex"
You do though. I'm a sort of ex-muslim myself too but I still support the conquering of the West by Islam because I'm not a self hating cuck. I only wish that the rapefugees waited a few years before they started fucking shit up. This is why I find it hard to relate to ex-muslims. Most are gay-loving liberal degenerates who want us to get cucked by the West. Fuck that, be strong, have pride in your people, and destroy your enemies.
>>76325018
That explanation makes sense to me, but it's also in the Quran itself, that those who have turned away from the faith are to be killed, so even in Muhammad's time (probably, I realize the first evidence of a written Quran only came to be about 150 years after his death) apostasy was a crime punishable by death. I don't doubt that the economic factor played a role, but in the moden day I see no way that Islam can reform into a more reasonable version of itself
>>76325420
Of course. There's no getting around the punishment for apostates. But exactly who gets branded as an apostate is left up to interpretation.
>>76317354
>gh-quality agriculture and hygiene practises
>>76324858
I don't. You just already mentioned this, that's why I didn't repeat it.
>>76325492
>There's no getting around the punishment for apostates
How about you do what any modern state does and subject ALL people to taxes, regardless of religion?
>>76325018
>mfw in the end it's about the only everlasting truth in humanity: taxes
>>76325082
I think, it's also the reason why you either have a (military) dictatorship which completely surpresses Islam, or you end up in a theocracy. Saddam or Ayatollah, Mubarak or Muslim Brotherhood. IF there are middle ways in the middle east, it's in countries with significant Christian population percentage like Lebanon. But already there we had civil wars and the Muslims attacking the Christians. Just a continuatio of the centuries of basically a genocide on Christians - which this Marxist pope obviously doesn't care about.
>>76326645
>implying Pakistan has Shariah Law
We have a constitution m8, we've had 3 constitutions during our nearly 70 years of existence, and only the latest one has traces of Shariah in it, mostly in the form of the Blasphemy Laws and the hudood ordinances (rape and molestation cases). We don't behead people, in fact the State hasn't executed people since the 90s due to a stay order from the govt back then which was placed due to political prisoners being on death row; the State does not mutilate people for theft, in fact the State only fines and sentences people to imprisonment. As for taxes, I pay an income tax, sales taxes on everyday items, luxury taxes on fun items and property taxes on stuff I own (not the guns though).
>>76315543
Quickly.
Come to the US
There's still hope here
American will listen to your message
Help us preserve a future for those who do not fuck goats
>>76327214
Why did you seperate from India then to form an Islamic country, if you aren't radical on the faith? And why did Abdus Salam completely fail to promote the scientific method and concepts in Pakistan and the Middle East? As far as I see it, all he accomplished was to get you the bomb and that's about it.
>>76327444
Abdus Salam contributed nothing to our nuclear capability, that was AQ Khan. The separation from India was to maintain and consolidate the political power that land-owners and industrialists had in west India, which would have been stripped from them along with their economic assets as soon as East India could use their larger numbers to force democratic consensus over all of the new govt's subjects.
>>76327214
Thats great to hear, really. I always hear and read about how pakistanis are one of the most radical islamist, you read all these horrible stories. Would you say that at least 50% of your country is radical fanatic? what then? And why is this last constitution more religious than previous one? Does it look like this trend will continue?
>>76327722
Alright, so in the end it had nothing to do with Islam, but with capital. The more you know.
Anyway how are the natural sciences developing in Pakistan at the moment along with technology and industry?
>>76327813
You have to realize that Pakistanis are not one ethnicity. What you think of when you think of Pakistanis is the Araieen, which is the land-working ethnicity. They generally gain economic power through business endeavours, which pay high dividends in Pakistan due to the considerable risks involved; only recently have araieen youth been studying technical skills.
Most araieen are highly religious due to the extreme poverty associated with their ethnicity. Apart from the Araieen there are smaller ethnicities from Sindh and Balochistan (provinces) that feature religiosity for the same reason.
The intelligentsia of Pakistan are composed of Kashmiris, Pathans and former-high-caste-hindu-converts. While smaller in number, their vast presence in the political arena as well as their hold over the bureaucracy and high military posts assure that the religious fervor of the masses is kept in check.
As for why the latest constitution has more traces of Islam before, why, we have America to thank for that. During the Russian invasion of Afghanistan, Pakistan was America's proxy in the region. To motivate the masses towards the coming struggle, the leaders of the time portrayed the Russians as anti-religion communists and the indigenous Afghan forces as the Mujahideen of God. To increase the fervor of the recruits from Pakistan, religion was introduced into the political spectrum. We have never been able to get rid of it entirely, although the military regime of General Musharraf went a long way to muzzling it up.
>>76327986
I'm in no way aware of the cutting edge in natural sciences in Pakistan, but I have a lot of exposure to the tech and industry side due to my field (automation, and robotics in particular). While it might seem arrogant to say that my team's work in vehicular automation is on par with Google or Uber, we are in fact researching the same things and are pretty close to a finished prototype. More broadly speaking, software development is the m-
>>76329200
>portrayed the Russians as anti-religion communists
But they were.
Outside of a few hundred government administered mosques and Islamic schools in the entirety of the USSR, the Soviets quite literally forbade all expressions of the Islamic religion.
>>76330102
I give a fuck.
>>76315543
traitors are fucking traitors, you should kill yourself for betraying your own people.
>>76329200
Interesting indeed. You are truly broadening my perspective on Pakistan. Hopefully, all of this Islamic fundamentalist nonsense will sort itself out and the world shall be inherited by the noble, world developing and space conquering civilizations.
Unfortunately I am all too well aware of the discrepancies of this age. The city of Darmstadt is close to where I live, and it's an important control centre for ESA and the ESO. The mission where the sattelite landed on the comet was controlled from there. And yet the city is starting to turn into an islamic ghetto and recently we had a sexual molestation scandal there. Robots in space, quantum physics on the table and in some heads, but barbarism on earth. It's sad really, but I think it's always been like this in human history.
>>76330102
because the people in the land of my fathers were based as fuck
>>76331455
I believe that an equilibrium of sorts will be reached in your society. Your people will harden up, and will impose cultural norms to counteract the horrors my people have visited upon. The great despair I feel is that, in learning to deal with having my people in your society, your people will cease to be what they are; they'll lose the innocence and good faith that makes them, in my eyes, noble and so vastly productive. The future is still hopeful, but it is far worse than what it may have been had the events of the last 16 years not occurred.
>>76331336
stfu amerifat
>>76317463
Fuck you fatty.
>>76331856
I don't know what's going to happen, honestly. 2015 I lost my home country, or I realized I never had one. German identity has been destroyed and poisoned by the left for decades now. It's been a very unhealthy country for a long time. At best it becomes like New York, I'm afraid. A place like a spaceship that could be in anywhere in the world, with no connections or roots. At worst it will end in segregation and civil war like circumstances. Already the so called anti-fascists are burning cars, destroying houses, putting out the lists of names of people who attend meetings of the AfD and they already tried to kill someone. I am not exeggarating, if I say Germany has become a terror state to some degree, especially because the state institutions look the other way. How this whole situation can be fixed, especially with the destroyed families, the catastrophic birthrates and this absolutely fanatical and violent ideology of the leftists, I have no idea.
And you cannot escape to a parallel universe of science, culture and art, if you yourself get assaulted in the street, as it happened to me. Sometimes I am so filled with hate... It is hard not to think about violent revolution. And the whole "refugees welcome" thing will cost Germany 1,500,000,000,000 €. Imagine that! 1,5 trillion Euros! That are the costs of the Iraq War for a country quarter the size of the USA! AND we could have helped ALL the refugees inn the entire world with this money, if the sick and twisted left didn't want to import their voter base, hurt our society with islamification and the capitalists and EU establishment try to undermine our national homogenity. All the seemingly moral and noble values and goals have been so twisted, so abused, so perverted, I have no words for it. AND you get called a Nazi and at worst get your car burnt, if you publicly critize and oppose it.
In the 18th and 19th century German culture was the peek of the world, today...civil war at worst.
>>76333343
There is nothing I can say. You have my condolences.
>>76318911
that's shiva
>>76322294
Could you perhaps show me a pic highlighting the differences?
>>76321872
those picture with the coran and beacon or anything else are always so funny,
i picture a fat guy going 'HUUH LIKE VUAT IVE DON TO YER HOLI BUK ? YOU GT SO BTFO HAHAAAAAHAHAH"
i mean do, for exemple, american get SO MAD SO MAD when they see an american flag with shit on it ?
>>76331922
kill yourself Achmed
