This book perfectly explains the reason why the world is the way that it is today
It is an academically rigorous and intellectually honest piece whereas all other explanations fall apart under scrutiny
>>76280720
Yes, (((Jared Diamond))) is very honest in his writing and analysis.
i expected a leaf and you've let me down
>>76280720
>environment explains everything!
>except Papua New Guineans and Jews are more evolved and smarter than the rest
>>76280720
Well it's perfectly true that different resources and environments lead to different development
HOWEVER
HOWEVER
HOWEVER
Diamond ignores that these stark environmental differences led to a genetic divergence in cognitive ability so the populations could cope with the environment. He does not address this.
Therefore this book is "Putting your Cart Before Your Horse: The Book"
>>76280720
I saw the documentary, it was pretty good it explained how the white man was better suited to take down every other race due how we evolved.
>>76281001
Is it because we are innately evil and that other races had no word for "war" or "conflict" before we took it to them?
>>76280720
Let's see an excerpt, m8
>>76281001
actually, it says all that except the evolution part.
Diamond's (false) conclusion is that any of the races now should do fine. But we see this is not so: the massive cognitive gains that northern populations had, in order to plan for variant seasons, is what DEFINES their ability to create and maintain civilizations in the first place.
African's never had this history. Contemporary african's didn't have ancestors that evolved to meet the needs of what we think of as a civilzation. and we see this deficiency EVERYWHERE we look.
>>76280720
>>76281063
Um no, he explains how our geography made it easier for our ideas to spread to eachother and it also talks about how we domesticated animals exposed us to a lot of disease and that made our immune systems stringer and allowed us to infect other countries.
I heard the """Amazing""" Atheist used to once, to claim that claim white nationalism is stupid, so I assume it's a shit book.
Also (((Diamond))) and I saw this thumbnail.
>>76280720
>academically rigorous and intellectually honest piece
>New York Times Bestseller
yeah, nah... It's chicklit tier pulp fiction.
>>76280720
Ahahahahahaha! Thank you. I needed a good laugh this morning.
>>76280720
The book is full of massive jumps in logic and outright fallacies.
>>76280720
(((Jared Diamond)))
>>76280720
There, the argument's already done
>>76280720
The book was written by Jew by the way.
>>76280720
Really makes you think.
>>76280720
>whitemanridingzebra.jpg
>>76280720
>geographic determinism: the book
nah
>>76280720
Is posting Guns, Germs and Steel on /pol/ some sort of meta joke?
>All domesticated animals were gentle and tame before domestication
Sure they were, Jared.
>>76280720
I truly got tired of arguing GG&S in /pol/
Is a greatly written and researched book that, if any, explains why the white man because superior over the rest. It baffles me that /pol/ got fixated in silly things such as the New Guineans and (((Diamond)))
This should be all bible and instead is mocked and derided. And >>76281293 is such a pathetic counterargument
>>76281293
>>76280766
>>76281734
This (((meme))) is getting out of hand.
>>76282033
>whitemanridingGiraffe.jpg
>>76281164
I find it funny how Diamond explains the entire process of how the white race became superior to the others and then fully stops and says "no-racyss tho"
He just doesnt want to commit academic-sudoku, but he laid all all the proof we need
>>76280720
Your naïveté is cute
Terence Mckenna got it right over 20 years ago
>>76280959
i read this book a while ago for the hell of it because the title seemed cool. fucking awful. first ~150 pages are pretty good but the fucking rest of the book drones on saying basically nothing.
it was pretty funny when i found /pol/ later on and saw them shitting on this book because i always wondered how diamond could say the people from papua new guinea were smarter than the average white guy in america.
it would probably take the average person in modern civilization less than a week to learn how to live in PNG. meanwhile it would probably take years for someone from PNG to learn how to live in modern society. fucking learning to drive, learning to use a computer, probably even learning how to tell time. it's a joke to think the person from modern society would fare worse than the spear chucker in a swap.
also, there's a guy named niall ferguson that wrote a rebuttal to diamond. called like the 8 apps of western civilization: why the west beat the rest or some shit. niall ferguson is breddy good.
>>76280720
>It is an academically rigorous and intellectually honest piece whereas all other explanations fall apart under scrutiny
KEK. This book has been thoroughly trashed by almost every serious historian for the crap it is
>>76280720
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hojlP5Kns8
>>76280720
I think the main thing he misses out on is that europe is fucking cold as shit during the winter which encourages deferral of gratification in people living there to store their crops and stock up on furs ect, a skill that's missing in niggers, spics and pakis since it's hot all year round in those places
>>76282187
he isn't being honest with himself. He describes various abbos as being just as smart
>>76282300
It has been trashed by SJW academia mostly. It was YT who took all those empires down, not geographical determnism
>>76282050
are u jew?
>>76280720
>>76280720
Diamond is an imbecile that thinks genetics don't exist or matter.
>>76282033
What was wrong in my thumbnail?
>>76280720
>it's the goddamned zebra's fault that niggers didn't even invent written language
Just fuck off, cuck
>>76280720
>Diamond was born in Boston, Massachusetts. Both of his parents were from East European Jewish families who had emigrated to the United States.
Dropped.
Joking aside I actually found this book for free a few weeks ago. I plan on reading it eventually.
>>76282033
>explains why the white man because superior over the rest.
except it gives excuses for why everybody else was facing "too much hardship" while claiming the europeans were basically playing on easy mode
>>76282399
No, it's trashed by everyone. He makes some good points about initial geographic advantages, but incredibly oversimplifies history
>>76280720
Such bait. This book is utter garbage.
>>76282416
Why would you think that? I'm a red blooded, white American who loves all the white things you goy- er guys do.
>>76282730
Yes, he panders at the end, but not before laying the main explanation of why Europe/whites prevailed over the rest. Who cares if he shies away from stating the obvious afterwards
>>76282735
Of course he oversimplifies, its a book intended for the masses, not academia. Do you think Stephen Hawking is a hack as well?
Bait/slide thread.
This toilet paper roll of a book has been thoroughly torn to shreds here many times over.
It's bunk, Jared Diamond is a hack, and anyone who thinks otherwise is an utter moron incapable of independent thought.
Sage.
/pol/ would never be satisfied with GG&S until ((())) releases a new edition adding "And this is why abos and niggies are inferior, gas the kikes, race war now"
This is a book with an immense red-pilling power. It explains why races became intellectually different and why Western Civilization is superior over the rest, but no, lets keep playing contrarian and dump rare pepes instead...
>>76280720
No, it does not. The whole book is round on the premise that Europe had all resources on one place so it got developed while the other continents not.
The truth is that Africa has even better resources than Europe yet the niggers living there were not able to use it properly.
Also, the book is under heavy criticism of most hystorians.
>>76282923
The problem is that you can't oversimplify 6000 years of history to a handful of variables. It's academically disingenuous to suggest you can
>>76283210
>but no, lets keep playing contrarian and dump rare pepes instead...
>>76283152
i'm guessing you have multiple copies of the clinton biographies
cuck
>This book perfectly explains
>perfectly explains
Heh, cool memes kid.
>>76283436
The book is widely accepted by the academic community as truth and Africa lacks arable land and animals that can be domesticated
Up until very recently in history it didn't matter how much mineral wealth you had because there was simply no use for it
>>76280720
The man actually says that Africa is devoid of any real crops. Meanwhile, it has more native crops then Europe, Asia and North America COMBINED.
>>76282033
>(((Diamond)))
what is this meme
>>76285553
>>76285714
i dont get it
>>76280720
>academically rigorous
Kek.
I was in the company of Prof. Geoffrey Parker on Saturday. Diamond is nothing.
>>76285655
Saying someone is a Jew without triggering the bots
Oh no, there are no useful animals in Africa! W-what's this huge thing that eats the abundand grass, lays huge eggs, has lots of healthy meat, isn't directly threatened by predators and can even be used as mount?
>>76285860
>You can't domesticate zebras
t.negros
>>76285655
Pure coincidence.
>>76285962
>W-what's this huge thing that eats the abundand grass, lays huge eggs, has lots of healthy meat, isn't directly threatened by predators and can even be used as mount?
White society?
>>76285860
He said Africa and America didn't create advanced society because they didn't have domestic able animals
The zebra being tamed in two generation proved him wrong >>76285929
>>76285553
>>76285714
>le tamed = domesticated meme
>>76286078
How do you think domesticated animals started out, dipshit? You breed the obedient ones and eat the ones that aren't. Eventually you end up with useful animals like we did thousands of years ago.
Problem: we could, niggers couldn't.
>>76286062
>>76286078
>he has never broken a horse
It's the exact same thing. The difference is that nignogs never bothered to break them to begin with and thus never started the cycle.
>>76286179
That's not how it works
The Asian elephant, while tamed for a thousand years, is still not domesticated
>>76286506
Then they failed to breed him along desired qualities. Just because poo in loos are failures doesn't mean that it can't be done.
>Domestication is a sustained multi-generational relationship in which one group of organisms assumes a significant degree of influence over the reproduction and care of another group to secure a more predictable supply of resources from that second group.
That's the definition of domestication after all.
>>76283210
It's not contrarian at all to trash Diamond's book and ideas. Even normie anthropologists and historians hate it and think he's a hack.
>>76286506
Takes more than a thousand years m8
Also elephants maturation time is too long, it would take many more years than something like a goat to see genetic change
It's clear that (((Diamond))) started out with the conclusion that the only reason why whites/Europeans were so successful was only because of geography, and then played fast and loose with the facts to achieve that narrative. Then he wins fame, fortune, and the Pulitzer. It's all extremely Jewish.
>>76280720
Similarly, pic related is a thorough and rigorous psychological and sociological analysis of homicide.
>>76286506
Why didn't africans domesticate the dog or the pig when both european and eurasians did?
GG&S is nothing but provocative claims and okie-doke.
>>76282333
No doubt it's the winters that made white men so much better.
>>76281194
Africa could not come up with the wheel or sail how much does an idea need to spread to realize how to roll things.
This book is even better than that.
You people still don't get it. White people are the black's domesticable animal. Why tame a horse to help you till soil when you can expect a white man to till the soil, plant the wheat, and turn it into Doritos for you?
>>76287381
It won a Pulitzer Prize
No other explanation has as much evidence supporting it as the one posited in GGS
>>76288421
Funny how you run away when you get BTFO and then use argumentum ad verecundiam
>>76280720
LMAO have a (You)
>>76280959
Nice straw man.
He never says anything about Papuans or Jews being genetically smarter. He doesn't even mention Jewish intelligence. He ascribes Papuan psychological development to environmental factors in childhood, NOT evolution.
>>76281164
Seasonal variations happen everywhere. You're thinking of seasonal change in temperature. Central Africa or South America both have seasonal changes in precipitation.
>>76282014
He didn't say that. He just said that wild aurochs, for example, didn't have traits that made them nearly impossible to keep and breed in a controlled setting.
>>76282279
I've done some research on PNG. The residents in developed areas are living fairly modern lifestyles. They have cars, movies, clocks, and maybe some communication devices.
>>76282333
Most of the hot regions of the world have some sort of dry season. It's funny that you mention South Asia and Mexico, because those regions can have notoriously bad droughts.
>>76282551
Nice oversimplification+dank meme combo.
>>76287022
They're not around in Africa?
Plus the main thing you need to keep farm animals around is a fucking crop source like wheat or corn, which isn't in the jungles of Africa.
I think /pol/ is missing the point of this book, sandnigger countries today in the Middle East used to be Persia, Babylon, etc., but that doesn't stop those countries today from being piles of trash
>>76283436
You're thinking of different kinds of resources.
>>76280720
Holy kek, I've got a final in two days about this subject. Some stupid class called World history. Your ordinary whities are bad, we're not superior, feel guilt. Muh crusades, muh slavery class. I'm scared i'm gonna sperg out and go full blown /pol/ on the exam
>>76281858
Came here to post this image too.
>>76289933
Get the fuck >>>/out/ underage
>>76282050
Doesn't change the fact that he is a member of the tribe, but that is just pure coincidence none
IIRC, Diamond never really explains why Europe developed and expanded so quickly when China, India, and the Middle East had all the same advantages.
Victor Davis Hanson does a better job trying do address this in his books like Carnage and Culture, or The Western Way of War.
>Hanson recreates nine ''landmark'' battles fought between the West and the rest. Three (Salamis, Gaugamela, Cannae) from the classical period demonstrate the origins of a distinctively lethal Western way of war. Three more (Poitiers, Tenochtitlan and Lepanto) show the spread of the classical battle paradigm through Europe and the Western Hemisphere. The last three (Rorke's Drift, Midway and Tet) suggest how this distinctive military culture -- rarely shackled by ritual, tradition, religion or ethics -- has led to Western superiority in arms worldwide, so that today ''Western armies have little to fear from any force other than themselves.'' Hanson attributes this superiority to a set of protocols that govern why as well as how Westerners fight: the defense of freedom; the creation of citizen armies; the optimum combination of group discipline with individual initiative; the emergence of a capitalist economy; a reliance on technology rather than numbers; the determination to ''obliterate rather than check or humiliate any who stand in their way.''
>>76290114
You utter, absolute fucking moron. Bachelor History, University. You stupid shit
>>76285962
Ostriches aren't fully domesticated IIRC, and they weren't bred for use as mounts. They were bred for their feathers, meat and skin.
DUDE WILD ZEBRAS LMAO
>>76289190
If I remember correct that was his personal opinion, that the island nigros were smarter than western kids. Notice how he is not backing this up with any data at all, it is just what he observed, it is amazing that this book is taken seriously at all
>>76289932
>food/water: check
>building materials: check
>space: check
>Other natural resources: the biggest check on the planet
What others are there?
>>76290235
Americans in college just buy their diploma you know. They dont get to take exams after highschool :^)
>>76286071
Zebras are individually tamed, not domesticated. Efforts to tame them in rich, modern societies have been modestly successful at most. They're still very nasty in temperament.
>>76290400
The human resources
>>76290235
For a bachelor in history you sure rely a lot on memes
>>76290187
It's pretty simple, Britain had the right conditions at the time for the industrial revolution to happen, which spread to the rest of the continent from there. Europe also happened to be the closest to the Americas which lead to free colonization for hundreds of years.
>>76290598
They certainly did not lack that by comparison either.
>>76280720
> perfectly explains shit
> except for all the reasons that it's pure bullshit
jared "pornstar name" diamond is NOT A SCIENTIST
he's not even an anthropologist.
he is a "geographer"
really, thats his degree. GEOGRAPHY
every one of his retarded "Whitey Gots Too Much Cargo" claims is fundamentally wrong.
http://www.livinganthropologically.com/anthropology/guns-germs-and-steel/
>>76280720
All differences are the result of chance and are relative no civilization achieved greatness because of superior culture and ideas. Diamond is wrong and a worthless cuck
>>76286179
>>76286228
Wild horses, while probably not as approachable as domestic ones, probably didn't break people's arms with their bites or stubbornly resist lassos (as zebras do), or regularly gore and trample people and jump six feet from standing (as bison do).
>>76290400
Africans didn't have farming a staple crop like wheat/corn/rice/potatoes that could allow them to do anything but ooga booga for thousands of years
>>76280720
This book has been criticized by every self-respecting scientist and even by people that agree with Diamond's thesis.
It does not follow the scientific method, Jared tries to prove his hypothesis instead of falsifying it and in doing so he even cites historical, biological and geographical inaccuracies.
This whole work has been dismissed as pseudo-science but did spark some real research.
My year 11 chem teacher told the class to read this book. Thinking back he was pretty redpilled showing us information on how climate change is mostly bullshit.
>>76287022
Pigs weren't domesticated in Europe. They were domesticated in China and Western Asia and moved from there to Europe, the Pacific, Africa, etc.
I'm pretty sure domestic dogs were in Africa. They just didn't pop up natively because the gray wolf isn't found there.
>>76290855
Bullshit.
Important crops indigenous to Africa include: the African Oil Palm, which is grown for its fruit and oil (see: Palm Butter Soup, Poulet Nyembwe, Moambé Stew, and Palm-Oil Chop); various species of Yam (some yams are native to Asia); Millet (such as Finger Millet and Guinea Millet); and Sorghum (also called Durra, Milo, Kafir Corn, and Egyptian Corn). Millet and Sorghum are some of the oldest cultivated cereal crops, grown as long ago as the stone age; these plants have been cultivated for such a long time that their origins, whether African, the Middle Eastern, or Asia, are almost completely obscured by time. The Tamarind tree (despite its botanical name, Tamarindus indica) is native to tropical Africa. Its seed pods are most often used in Indian and Asian cuisine, as well as an ingredient in worcestershire sauce. (See: Mchuzi wa Samaki, Samaki wa Kupaka, Tamarind Drink). There are also many African fruits and vegetables, cultivated or collected from the wild, that are little known outside Africa; for example: a tropical fruit-bearing tree called African Plum or Bush-butter (Dacryodes edulis) by English speakers (Safou and dozens of different names in African languages)--the fruit is the size of a golf ball, has a tough purplish skin, and a layer of bitter greenish fruit surrounding a large seed--boiling it for a minute makes the fruit tender enough to eat.
http://www.congocookbook.com/about_african_cooking/native_and_non_native_crops.html
Jared (((Diamond)))
>>76280720
Too obvious, mayne. Please hang up and troll again later,
Read a real book
>>76287536
Wheels are more than just rolling. The wheel wasn't invented independently in Europe, India, Arabia, and China etc. It popped up a couple of times independently and spread from those points to almost everywhere else.
>>76283210
>>76283210
>>76282923
>Claiming strong geographic determinism is redpill
He ignores genetic and biological determinism as well as sociological factors. The book misrepresents so much it couldn't possibly be considered redpilled.
>>76280720
>academically rigorous
>intellectually honest
kek
>>76284735
Citing it as factual would be academic suicide these days. I doubt anyone ever did seriously cite it for facts.
>>76291121
It's like you didn't even read the book
The claim is never maid that shitskins didn't have farming; it's that those crops are simply inferior to what other people groups had, either in time it took to cultivate and/or amount of nourishment it actually gave. There's a reason in the Americas the Mayas, Incas, and Aztecs had greater civilizations than what the random native american tribes up north had.
>>76290724
Which is why he tries to explain human development in geographic terms. Are you fucking illiterate?
>>76280720
(((Diamond)))
And it has been debunked a million times.
>>76286944
On my to read list. Is it scientific. I mainly know it as a taboo breaker so that's not very promising.
>>76286071
As do ostrich farms, bison ranches, alligator farms, etc.
>>76281858
>>76290014
>>76281858
>>76290014
>No significant cultural exchanges took place between these regions until the 15th century
That's so wrong though. How about Buddhism for example? There was significant cultural exchange almost throughout history. Westerners were trading with India since Roman Times, and cross pollinated ideas. Greek philosophy reached into India through Alexander's conquests, influenced Buddhism greatly and helped it spread, and then by proxy into China long before the 15th century. That's a huge cultural exchange, it changed all of East Asian civilization.
>>76291742
>it's that those crops are simply inferior to what other people groups had
Maize, before extensive breeding, was very similar to Sorghum. Pic related.
This is similar to the claim people make that the reason they didn't have any domesticatable animals is that their animals could not be for some reason. In reality it simply never occurred to them.
>>76280720
Having read the book, I must say it is a very good book with a lot of interesting information.
Environment did have an impact, but that in no way is evidence that other factors don't have an impact.
>>76292042
All of which animals either rely on a powerful food crop like corn or are meat eaters which present their own multitude of problems.
>>76291472
Chaw on this fer a bit, tho..
Wheel pops up in the New World, is never used for anything other than toys.
>>76291914
Where are any of these so-called debunking?
It won the Pulitzer Prize
Diamond is still a professor at UCLA
If it was crap it wouldn't have won the prize and Diamond wouldn't be teaching
>>76292149
That's after civilisation has already occurred. The point of the book is to explore why Rome happened but Nigeria didn't.
>>76282033
>points out that it's pathetic
>does not give any reason why
Go on, anon.
>>76292172
>In reality it simply never occured to them
Or the plants were simply inferior? That's such a leap of logic to go and say it never occured to them when it occured to many different people in different locations with no contact across the world.
>>76292437
>why Rome happened but Nigeria didn't
No, the point of the book is to explain why the British Colonial Empire happened and the Ottoman Colonial Empire didn't. "Civilization" isn't a binary state muhammad
>>76286062
you clever cousinfucker
>>76292334
You can graze ostriches and bison -- they only need supplemental feed (corn) when you are a agro-business and are raising shit-tons of them in a smaller space.
The point is, there were domesticable animals everywhere.
>>76280720
Dont bother. This doesnt fit into 99% of /pol/'s world view.
>>76292593
>being this retarded
Im gonna go on a limb here and assume you work at Walmart?
>>76282050
Are you jew here?
>>76292551
>Or the plants were simply inferior?
Nope. These days, now that we have got a hold of them, they are now staple farming crops.
>That's such a leap of logic to go and say it never occured to them when it occured to many different people in different locations with no contact across the world.
The leap being made is that all these disparate people from all over the globe have exactly equal cognitive ability.
>>76292437
That's not true. Civilizations sprung up at different times in different places. The major thesis is that cross pollination through connected geography and trade routes led to civilizations developing differently. Diamond is sort-of correct, sort-of wrong. Its not all black and white wrong vs. right.
>>76280720
Shit book. Real life is not a fucking game of Civilization. Oh look, my nearby squares have resources X Y and Z!
>>76291817
And it's part of why his thesis falls apart under more critical examination
>>76292567
In that case why is it so focused on Africa?
>>76289933
Where are you studying, in antwerp they are pretty fond of the crusades and no white guilt to be seen.
>>76280720
>Egalitarianism, White Guilt and Ideology in Place of Biological Sciences and Objectivity : The Book
Jared Kikemond has already had his asshole torn apart thousands of times... Why are you still bringing that shit-spewing neckbeard up?
The only reason his book got promoted as much at it did, was because the books contents fit well into the whole post-modernism leftist bullshit Zeitgeist. The book is one big pile of of half-truths, and its clear to anyone with half a brain, that he left out anything that didn't fit with the agenda and belief system that he adheres to.
>>76292796
Well thank fuck you cleared that up for the world based on your gut-feeling.
You should write him and tell him about your intellectual break-through.
>>76280973
>Diamond ignores that these stark environmental differences led to a genetic divergence in cognitive ability so the populations could cope with the environment.
You mean that since (for example) the abbo's land was devoid of any species fit for agriculture, the abbos didn't undergo natural selection regarding their intelligence, because the smartest abbo in the tribe simply didn't have any way to put that intelligence to good use and gain a reproductive advantage over the dumbest abbo, and so their population did not become smarter and smarter with every generation?
While westerners were selected for intelligence because their land was full of opportunities and potential to be used (animals that could be bred and used for work, vegetable species fit for agriculture) and so the smart westerner had a big reproductive advantage over the dumb one, and so their population grew progressively smarter.
Is that what you mean? Because it seems to make a lot of sense and consider both sides of the matter: the environmental side and the genetic one.
>>76291817
> tries to explain anthropology using ONLY geography
> like trying to explain biochemistry using only women's studies.
are you fucking retarded?
> new guineans live in new guinea, where natural resources are only Jungle and Ocean Tiles
> fucked by geography
ok, MAYBE geography can explain why island niggers are simple minded primitives with no technology or civilization
> native americans lived in AMERICA but never developed technology as simple as The Wheel.
> africans live in AFRICA with every terrain type and resource imaginable
> ZERO Technology
> still niggers in mud huts ~1800's
> europeans colonize and bring modern tech to africa
> europeans leave, niggers go right back to the mud huts
> south american societies never progress beyond Writing, Astrology, Stone Quarry and Mathematics
> must be geography's fault.
NOPE
>>76292688
I honestly haven't heard a better theory for why civilization rose in some parts of the world and not in others
Also I have yet to find anything wrong with the book itself it doesn't contain any fallacies or incredible claims
>>76292878
Where was the gut feeling in my posts? I refuted an argument against Diamond in that image using historical knowledge. Why are you salty?
>>76292901
> i cant imagine why civilization rises in some places and not in others
because youre stupid.
> havent found anything wrong or incredible in jared diamond's works
because you are a naive, ignorant, credulous and gullible fool, and likely a retard.
>>76290844
Domestic horses sometimes kill and dismember people with their bites. Fucking camels can bite people's heads off
>>76292765
Cognitive ability could have resulted from the lack of good food crops. It doesn't have to be one or the other anon
>>76292888
He gets some things near the tagret, but is completely wrong in his assessment. His analysis totally ignores the genetic differences between different groups of mankind. As if you could just take some african dindus and plop them into 500 BC europe and they'd end up forming greco-roman classical civilization just like white people would.
Of course, those differences in race stem from long-term environmental differences and natural selection, but that's not what (((DIAMOND))) is talking about in his shlock
>>76292888
>native americans lived in AMERICA but never developed technology as simple as The Wheel.
nice meme m8. The native americans did invent the wheel, they just didn't use it because they lacked animals to pull carts for them.
>>76292826
Because Africa is the most interesting case of a "rich" continent that didn't develop advanced civilization to the extent that the other major world powers did. What he's actual exploring is WHY Europe specifically developed in the way that it did. If you look at a map of the 15th or 16th centuries, for example, Europe is the least likely power in Eurasia to experience such a rapid advancement in technology, or to form such massive sprawling technological empires. The Islamic Empires were considerably more advanced throughout the entire Middle Ages, as was Ming China and possibly even the Mughals.
>>76280720
I wanted to read this for a while, but never did, and now it turned into a meme and became too mainstream for me.
>>76293260
>His analysis totally ignores the genetic differences between different groups of mankind
Probably because theories about racial genetic differences don't have any legitimate scientific basis at this point. There isn't even a consensus on whether race exists as a human classification, let alone what affects it might have.
Also, his thesis specifically attempts to DISPROVE racial factors you fucking dolt. He ignores them because he's arguing against them. You say that like it's a fucking revelation
>>76293334
>too mainstream
Fucking Christ, aquafresh..
>>76293315
From what I remember about the book, Diamond says that Africa had something like only 3 plants fit for agriculture and only 1 animal species fit for husbandry, and that why Europe developed more (because we had like 19 plants and 6 animal species that could be bred and used to work).
>>76293305
Why did they lack domesticated animals?
They had horses just like the old world did. Only difference is they decided to just hunt them to extinction instead of doing anything useful with them.
>>76292878
>>76293042
Anyway, its fairly obvious from differences in IQ and historical exchanges between regions that its a combination of both genetic adaptability and cross-pollination, so this is why I say Diamond is sort of right. He ignores genetic differences.
>>76293468
>Probably because theories about racial genetic differences don't have any legitimate scientific basis at this point.
That's an absurd statement.
>>76293176
Care to offer actual critique rather than just insulting me?
>>76293468
And I'm saying it's ridiculous to ignore genetic differences.
He goes in with the a priori notion that there are no differences between groups, and then tries to weave a narrative to fit his presumption.
>>76293468
>There isn't even a consensus on whether race exists as a human classification
Ok, (((anon))), I'm sure that a 30 IQ points difference in intelligence and different morphology in the cranium and other bones and a different susceptibility to some illnesses does not matter at all. We're all the same. :^)
>>76293555
>That's an absurd statement.
No it isn't. The vast majority of anthropologists do not believe race exists as a legitimate classification. Even withing communities that disagree, there is little consensus about what it is or what it means. Regardless, if race does exist is has nothing to do with "white vs black"
>>76293526
>They had horses
Really?
I've always heard that europeans brought horses into the new world.
>>76293510
good god man that's not a toothpaste
that is a bear
>>76293246
No one started with particularly amasing food crops.
Rice for example, without serious works of engineering, is SHIT. Yet China happened.
Europe was on wheat, slightly better than rice in that you don't need to construct a rice paddy, but you do still need to farm it in order get get enough *grass seeds* to crush up, make flour and then bread.
Those African crops I listed previously were not any worse. They just were not used as we used them.
You will note that to get our staple crops that supposedly made us smarter required quite a bit of thinking to get them.
>>76293739
>that is a bear
It depends on how you put it on your tootbrush.
![9896626080a965b554efc7e02f7ea1a74b18b344e87751190829f990c3a33e07[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/bU9x7Xc.jpg "9896626080a965b554efc7e02f7ea1a74b18b344e87751190829f990c3a33e07[1].jpg")
>>76281293
The fact that /pol/ keeps reposting this shit only proves how retarded they are. They're so dogmatically willing to repeat whatever fits their world view they're as blind as the left they detest. I don't think I can explain why with a 2000 character limit but I'll try.
>Eurasia isn't unified
Ever heard of the Silk Road, you dumb piece of shit? All those natural obstacles that are listed never prevented the Persian Empire from becoming the most inhabited empire in human history (when looking at their population as a percentage of the total world population), nor did it prevent Alexander from steamrolling it. The region is incredibly easy to pass through and nothing compared to the Sahara desert. This is why Rome and China knew of eachothers existences, but it took Vasco da Gama to see what's south of the Sahara.
>M-Muh crops though
Actually look those crops up. Most of them are found in Ethiopia or Western Africa. Guess in what parts of Africa agricultural civilizations were prominent. The answer might shock you.
>xDDD le domesticable animals. Problem Jared?
Jared Diamond actually goes into the difference between taming and domesticating. Taming an individual zebra does not disprove the fact that zebras cannot be domesticated. Hell, even the hybrid offspring between zebras and other more amicable equines are noted for their fierce temperament. I can easily link to Americans and their tamed bears, does that make Scandinavians retards for never domesticating bears?
I don't know enough about the last two points to go into details but it's pretty clear that only an idiot would repost this pasta.
>>76281858
Birds of a feather really do flock together!
>>76293555
>he ignores genetic differences
Well thank fuck you cleared that up for him.
You should write him and tell him about your intellectual break-through.
Just to clarify.
Youre assuming that "the white race" is intellectually superior, due to the "harsh environment" selecting for high IQ right?
As opposed to physical strength and stamina right?
Also, could you explain why in Europe the "white race" would be smarter on average, but Africa wouldnt select for intelligence, even though Africa has a 1000 times harsher environment?
Ill gladly wait for your response.
>>76293717
That's true. There were originally horses in america, the indians came and hunted them all to extinction, and THEN europeans came over much later and brought domesticated breeds.
It was only after domesticated horses were brought that the indians ever thought to use them as tools. They never bothered to domesticate horses themselves when they had the chance.
>>76282050
No it isn't.
>>76293673
It's very absurd. There's plenty of scientific data on genetic differences in intelligence. People from certain areas share traits and genetics, making them a race. So your statement that theories about racial differences don't have scientific basis is incorrect. I think genetics is a more reputable field than anthropology as well.
>>76282370
Just so you know there were some smart abos that started farming and mining. They were butchered and cannibalised. Fuck leftists and fuck abos, the only good ones got fucked up by those lazy beer swigging cunts
>>76293658
Don't be an idiot. It has nothing to do with inherent generic differences. That has no scientific basis.
What DOES have scientific basis is cultural identity, which can very much affect things like IQ. Why do you think Asians are smart? It's because many Asian cultures have a very disciplined take on education. That being said, if you take two different people groups from China, who to an outsider look exactly the same, and tested for IQs the two groups would get different results since they have different cultural identities. Look up Milton Sowell sometime.
>>76293742
Wheat is not necessarily better than rice, rice has very high yield for area and the paddy is not an absolute requirement, rather it kills competing weeds and prevents the sown seed from being eaten by birds
Also rice can be eaten without making it into bread
>>76293913
Well that's interesting.
>>76293877
Well written and no surprise no responses.
Its typical /pol/ behaviour.
99% of these fagglets hate niggers and spics and label them all as "subhuman" to further their own beliefs.
>>76294036
That doesn't explain why children adopted at birth and raised by families of a different culture still have IQs similar to their racial backgrounds. Blacks raised by whites still have low IQ. Chinese raised by whites still have high IQ.
>>76293673
>The vast majority of anthropologists do not believe race exists as a legitimate classification
Uh, yes they do. There are four standard races in forensic anthropology.
>>76294150
Just because one member of a race is raised by members of another race doesn't mean it's never exposed to its own races culture.
>>76293879
Not him but you should read the 10000 year explosion, it answers all your questions
>Youre assuming that "the white race" is intellectually superior, due to the "harsh environment" selecting for high IQ right?
No, not only that. Otherwise native north americans should be as smart as europeans, while they clearly aren't. The civilization in which humans live is as important for selecting for intelligence as the environment. (i.e. a civilization where smarter people have more babies will make the average population grow smarter over time)
>Also, could you explain why in Europe the "white race" would be smarter on average, but Africa wouldnt select for intelligence, even though Africa has a 1000 times harsher environment?
Two reasons.
#1 Africa is TOO harsh. Death in Africa is completely random, due to wild animals or disease, not due to lack of intelligence (like poorly planning your farming supplies, for instance). This is one of the big reasons why Africans never developped the concept of time. There are literally no calendars in african culture, and no words to say "day", "week", "month", etc. Africans live in the moment, because they usually die in the moment.
Which brings us to point number #2. Intelligence only evolves to the heights of which europeans and asians have evolved it in the context of civilization. Only a civilized society can protect the more intelligent from the less intelligent. Since Africa never developped civilization, due to their harsh environment, they never developped a high intelligence.
>>76294150
1.) You can get your cultural identities from more than just your parent. Nignog goes to school, sees other nignogs, starts acting like them, it's pretty simple
2.) Sauce?
>>76294036
>a 30 IQ points difference in intelligence
>different morphology in the cranium and other bones
>different susceptibility to some illnesses
>It has nothing to do with inherent generic differences.
U wut m80?
I'm sure their culture changed the shape of their bodies and their logical and spatial intellectual abilities (IQ tests nowadays are culture fair, (((anon))))
Pic related, look at all that culture. :^)
>>76293305
> The native americans did invent the wheel, they just didn't use it because they lacked animals to pull carts for them.
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
> there is ONE example of The Wheel in all of the americas pre-columbus, and that is an inca child's toy. (pic related)
> the incas domesticated the llama, and there were numerous other animals which COULD have been domesticated but were not
> the north american equine (horse) was extincted by hunting and eating them, while europeans and asians domesticated them.
> forgot about the bison
>>76292885
It's not so much the fact that abos didn't have domesticable animals or food to grow (don't know if this is true but that's not the point), it's that they didn't have to plan for winter where there would be no food to pick off trees and bushes. Winter necessitates agriculture and low time preference as well as cooperation for big game hunting.
>>76292386
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1467-8330.2003.00352.x/abstract
http://jsa.sagepub.com/content/10/1/92.short
http://www.livinganthropologically.com/anthropology/guns-germs-and-steel/
https://mises.org/library/diamond-fallacy
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2012/06/22/a-famous-case-of-ecocide-gets-debunked/
enjoy the read
>>76293792
No
This>>76293877 is a toothpaste
>>76294036
>Look up Milton Sowell sometime.
It's Thomas Sowell you retard.
And Thomas Sowell devolves into the usual "it beez culture n sheeit" excuse-making when it comes to race and intelligence.
Read The Bell Curve, faggot.
>>76293526
>>76293526
According to wikipedia, american horses went extinct thousands of years before the old world learned to domesticate them, and it's not even certain whether or not it was because of the humans. Even then, the incas managed to domesticate llamas and alpacas.
>>76294079
I didn't know that. Thanks.
Still, it's not like millet (or as it's sometimes called, couscous) is a bad crop. Today it is a staple. We even eat it here.
>>76294150
Don't bother, he won't reply. And if he does the only proof he's gonna give is "NUH-UH!"
>>76294131
Are you literally shaking right now?
Respond to my post : >>76294355
>>76294385
That's pseudo-science anon.The cranium shit is literally 1800's "lets compare a fully grown white man to a 7 year old niglet" tier autism.
>>76293879
Diamond is a historian and anthropologist not a geneticist so I can't fault him completely for it, but for theory of civilization it's silly to leave it out.
Helmuth Nyborg is much more reasonable in many ways: https://lesacreduprintemps19.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/nyborg-2011-the-decay-of-western-civilization-double-relaxed-darwinian-selection.pdf
>Youre assuming that "the white race" is intellectually superior, due to the "harsh environment" selecting for high IQ right?
>As opposed to physical strength and stamina right?
The argument is that the harsh environment, such as long winters and little food had a major impact on intelligence, yes. White people had to be better at sticking together, this is also a major argument used, we had to evolve to be less aggressive and more community oriented. This might be an even larger reason for our success vs. Africa .
>so, could you explain why in Europe the "white race" would be smarter on average, but Africa wouldnt select for intelligence, even though Africa has a 1000 times harsher environment?
A 100 times harsher? How's that?
Where humanity evolved in Africa the food was abundant. Are you really claiming that Africa had as hard an environment as Europe during the Ice Age? That's silly.
>>76294150
So the only logical explanation is that niggers are subhuman?
Please stop. Those studies were flawed in the first place, because you cant control for various variables such as.
>did the African mother eat enought during pregnancy?
>did any external factors influence the child until it was adopted?
>are the samples truly selected at random?
Etc.
No man. This is being naive.
Even IF there actually was a genetic "race" IQ difference, it would be minimal. Say 5 points maximum.
Early childhood brain development is key to a high IQ + winning the genetic lottery.
Its like you compare a genius IQ white guy to the averafe African starved person and say:
>SEE NIGGERS ARE DUMB
Ive met plenty of borderline retarded white people here in my country.
And were actually white, not "american white".
>>76294131
He actually makes some good points (especially the taming VS domesticating bit) but anyone that refuses to recognize the glaring intrinsic genetic differences between races is an idiot or a liberal shill.
>>76294561
It's not.
Otherwise please provide proof that every single cranial measurement study was faked by racist scientists in a vast conspiracy to keep da brudda down.
>protip : you can't.
>>76280720
The book is bullshit.
Jared Diamond is a bullshitter.
>>76294460
Prove it isn't culture fucker
>>76280720
tl;dr white people are just really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, lucky
>>76294322
Do you know how many chinese and black people lived in minnesota in the 1980s?
(((Diamond)))
>>76294595
>unwilling to accept genetic determinism because not rigorous
>willing to except Diamond who strokes with brushes so broad he paints barns with 2 sweeps
>>76294618
100% of the scientific community disagrees with you
>"muh conspiracies!!"
Anon, I'm just as redpilled as you, I don't like jews or nigs, I'm just saying I don't think the cause is by inherent race differences.
>>76293877
> implying cassava, gourds ground nuts, and other food crops only existed in east africa
absolutely wrong
> implying "the silk road" was easy to navigate
retarded.
> implying that european and asiatic domestic animals were naturally found as they exist now
domestication starts with catching and taming a few animals and BREEDING them into domestication.
jared diamond doesnt understand that the asiatic wild horse is a real bastard, but from them comes ALL modern domestic horses.
it didnt happen over night. niggers never even STARTED the long process of domestication despite access to many highly qualified animals.
> spiderman meme
you failed miserably.
>>76294382
minnesota transracial adoption study.
>1.) You can get your cultural identities from more than just your parent. Nignog goes to school, sees other nignogs, starts acting like them, it's pretty simple
Oh please, this is such bullshit. Tyrone got raised in a white family his entire life, but because he overheard another black kid bixnooding in school and because he listened to rap music, his IQ dropped?
That's fucking ridiculous.
>>76282195
what did he say about this? big mckenna fan but havent heard him speak about this unless youre talking about his bullshit mushroom theory
>>76294355
I was being facetious.
Youre wrong, because you dont understand the scientific method.
>step 1: observe
>step 2: analyse
>step 3: make hypothesis
>step 4: test with data/experiment
>step 5: conclusion/get more data
>step 6: come to a valid law/idea etc
You are doing this:
>blacks are inferior/more violent/criminals
>look for data suggesting Im right
>strengten your beliefs
>hate niggers more
>ignore all scientific research
This is a pointless discussion anyways.
This is scienfitically explained and arguing only makes you look retarded.
>>76294713
Pretty sure it was more "White people are kinda lucky, but that luck snowballs quickly."
>>76294355
>>76294590
This is probably actually an even better argument for the origin of higher intelligence originally, I'll have to read that book.
Civilization is a major factor in high intelligence. Combine that theory with Diamond's theories of geographical and cross-pollination and you don't even have to refute Diamond's central thesis, just take it for granted that he ignored genetics.
>>76294595
>Please stop. Those studies were flawed in the first place, because you cant control for various variables such as.
With that kind of mentality, I guess you have to discard the entirety of the field of social studies because you can never control for every single factor
>did the mother stub her toe during the 72nd month of pregnancy?
>was jupiter aligned with mars when the baby was born?
etc.
However, one of the nifty thing about social studies are SAMPLE SIZES and REPLICABILITY. The idea is, those "uncontrollable factors" cancel themselves out -on average- when your sample size is big enough and when you do the studies independantly enough times.
And guess what faggot? In every single study, not only the Minnesota study, the black-white IQ gap in adopted children was observed.
So KYS
>Even IF there actually was a genetic "race" IQ difference, it would be minimal. Say 5 points maximum.
>Say 5 points maximum
Says who, you? Why? Sounds like you're pulling that figure out of your ass.
If there was a genetic black-white difference, it would be 15 IQ points, or 1 standard of deviation. That's what SCIENCE tells us.
>Early childhood brain development is key to a high IQ + winning the genetic lottery.
"Early childhood brain development" is a meme. The pathetic failure of head start and other meme programs are ample proof of this.
>ts like you compare a genius IQ white guy to the averafe African starved person and say:
No, we compare the IQ of white and black americans of similar socio economic backgrounds, you dishonest piece of shit niggerloving faggot.
>>76294476
But the reason they went extinct was because indians decided to hunt them to extinction.
It's the equivalent of a dindu constantly robbing a store and then starving because the store he robbed food from ended up having to close down.
>>76294912
Therefore niggers are dindu nuffin wrong people who are totally equal to whites ?
>>76294595
>Even IF there actually was a genetic "race" IQ difference, it would be minimal. Say 5 points maximum.
That'd still be statistically significant and wikipedia says that the differences are much greater. 30-35 IQ points. The same difference between a normal person and a clinically retarded one.
Pic related.
Since, as I said, current IQ tests are designed specifically to be culture fair and to examine all kinds of shades of intelligence (from the verbal to the spatial one), ignoring these immense differences or attributing them entirely to culture is unfair.
(Especially when 7th generation afro-americans still do worse than white americans or asian-americans.)
There is a clear GENETIC basis here. And I find it hypocritical that the same people that don't deny that blacks are genetically predisposed to be great athletes in certain sports refuse to admit whites and east asians are genetically predisposed to be smarter than blacks and abbos.
>>76294616
>but anyone that refuses to recognize the glaring intrinsic genetic differences
I never did that though. I agree with Diamond for the most part, but not the idea that all races are equal. On the contrary, I actually believe in the radical idea that environment affects genetics. Due to different environments, races have traits based on whatever that environment selects on.
For example, a hunter-gatherer society like what most of Sub-Saharan Africa was would select on favorable traits like agression and physical strength with intelligence being a neutral trait at best. On the contrary agricultural societies would focus on intelligence (which is needed to recognize patterns such as the seasons or the flooding of important rivers, which is the main reason why calenders became a thing) and ability to work in a group, with agression generally being a negative trait.
This is also why the hormones associated with agression (adrenaline, testosterone) are present in much higher concentrations among black people than among white people. Black people aren't objectively inferior, they're inferior within the context of Western civilization. They evolved traits that helped them survive in sub-Saharan Africa. Put a pasty Roman kid in pre-BC Congo and he's a goner. Put a Congolese kid in the Roman Republic and he'll end up as a dindu nuffin about to get his life on the rails "aspiring rapper".
![41BYpEQumNL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/FZFdMYr.jpg "41BYpEQumNL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_[1].jpg")
Since we're talking about books, this guy is pretty cool.
>>76294561
Forensics can determine your race by your bones. There are three (oftentimes four if you count Australoids separately) major races in the world.
You're thinking of Phrenology, which is a pseudoscience.
>>76289667
I've lived in PNG, the natives gang raped my 13 year old friend there at gunpoint.
they are abos with all the genetic garbage that entails. Maybe the groups higher in pacific islander DNA are marginally smarter but the country makes Detroit look like Beverly Hills
>>76280720
>cherrypicking: the book
>>76294678
Adoption studies, you stupid moron.
Blacks and whites from poor backgrounds adopted into rich white families as babies still show on average an IQ gap equal to that of the general population, i.e. 15 points.
>>76294851
>100% of the scientific community disagrees with you
100% of the scientific community agrees with me.
Of course by "scientific community", I'm referring to psychometricians, not genderqueer activists, which is perhaps who you're referring to.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G_factor_(psychometrics)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainstream_Science_on_Intelligence
>>76294861
If anything, the outcome is the same.
If his racial identification makes him intellectual inferior to whites, it still is a consequence of his biology.
>>76282460
kek
this
Diamond cannot into biology. There are plenty of animals in africa that have the potential for domestication. The european fox has been domesticated for fucks sake.
A whole lot of mammals and birds with short generations, docile temperament and stable family structures could probably be domesticated.
>guineafowl (arguably has been done)
>zebra
>cape buffalo
>wildebeest
>ethiopian wolf
>various gazelle species
>various rabbit species
>ostrich
Niggers are simply too stupid not to eat everything they catch immediately.
(((Diamond))) establishes egalitarianism as his world view from the beginning of the book. He then works backwards to find premises that support that conclusion. Completely turns causality on its head.
>>76294590
> diamond is a historian and anthropologist
no.
he is not.
his only degree is in GEOGRAPHY
his only published peer reviewed papers are on GEOGRAPHY and bird watching.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=jared+diamond&btnG=&as_sdt=1%2C5&as_sdtp=
note how theres only his shitty trite pop-science books which are disdained by real scholars, and a few papers on GEOGRAPHY and bird watching?
he is NOT a scientist, he is a dipshit.
>>76293315
The "Advanced Islamic world" meme
>>76294561
Those are 2 adults' craniums and as another anon has said, forensics can determine your race by your bones.
Jesus how desperate are you? :^)
>>76295110
I think it's an important distinction. If anything, dindu culture is due to the genetic predispositions of the black man's brain.
And egalitarians have this notion that our brains are all genetically identical, and any possible differences are due to >muh environment. As if your brain is so fragile that being exposed to rap music is going to retard your cerebral processing power.
>>76282033
NOT AN ARGUMENT
>>76294419
>Breitbart
>>76289840
welcome to /pol/!
>>76295347
>Why didn't he use a liberal source in refuting my liberal argument
>>76294874
>I was being facetious.
>lul I wuz just pretending to be a retard XDD
>Youre wrong, because you dont understand the scientific method.
Says the guy who believes an un-proven "grand theory" of the evolution of civilizations, lmao
>blacks are inferior/more violent/criminals
>look for data suggesting Im right
>strengten your beliefs
>hate niggers more
>ignore all scientific research
Not at all.
This is what I'm doing.
>find blacks and whites adopted into upper class white families
>measure their IQs
>compare them
Nothing more.
>This is scienfitically explained
Yes, the field is called psychometrics and the currently accepted number is that the heritability of IQ is of 80% (i.e. 80% of IQ is genetic in origin, 20% due to non-shared environmental differences).
But that's just dumb old me who reads books and shit. Pray tell where you got your information from? Your """scientific explanations"""?
>>76294939
It's obvious that geography plays a big role in determining civilizational development. But yes, it works in symbiosis with genetic development. You can't ignore one half of the equation.
To quote Durant (paraphrasing from memory) "Geography can shine on a civilization but never create it".
The mediterranean basin was always a place which could lead to the development of advanced civilizations due to its unique geography, but lets not forget that humans inhabited the mediterranean basin for 50 000 years never advancing past the stone age.
>>76295347
> Dismissing the peer reviewed articles
> Protip: Diamond was never peer reviewed
> Not arguing the point
>>76295129
Exactly. He has massive lapses in logic and constantly puts the cart before the horse.
>Eurasia is only successful because of all these domesticatable animals!
Wrong, it's more like "eurasians have lots of domesticated animals because they're the ones that actually bothered to domesticate them"
He points to things like zebras and bison and says "see, these are wild animals! africans and indians couldn't POSSIBLY have domesticated them like the easygoing animals in europe and asia!" But that's wrong and the ancestors of our domestic animals were just as wild. We're just the only ones that actually had the agency to bother domesticating them.
>>76294399
True. Having an entire season hell bent on fucking your shit up forces you to be both smarter and more communal. That, in the course of millennia, naturally changes a population genetically, giving them different predispositions.
Africans and abbos on the other hand lived in stable environments where food was always present all year round and life was relatively easy. Even lions and other beasts weren't a huge concern for a tribe of african hunters armed with spears, and they very rarely attacked them.
>>76292386
>If it was crap it wouldn't have won the prize
This has to be a troll. Nobody can be this stupid in 2016.
>>76295106
All this says is that IQ differences exist, which we both agree upon. If you're making the claim that 100% of the scientific community agrees that whites are inherently superior to blacks then you're legitimately retarded yourself.
>>76295318
Oh shit, Africans have different facial structures than Whites? Who knew?
Don't be a fucking retard. We're talking about the brain here, not that African's have a slightly different looking face and whatnot.
>>76294391
The incas lived in the fucking mountains you mongrel, in cities that made liberal use of stairs. It's not an environment where the wheel can shine.
>> the incas domesticated the llama, and there were numerous other animals which COULD have been domesticated but were not
such as?
Bisons lived up north, out of reach of all the major precolombian civilizations.
>>76294966
Humans may have been a factor in the extinction of the american horses, but they were not the cause
http://www.horsetalk.co.nz/2012/11/29/why-did-horses-die-out-in-north-america/#axzz4AomsV2I3
>>76285655
Google coincidence detector
>>76295654
>calls me stupid
>uses current year argument
Is this some sort of meta-troll?
> Book explains how human societies developed based on their respective ecosystems
> Ignores any of the science that explains genetic differences in animals living in different ecosystems and says humans are all the same
Yes, aboriginals probably would have started the Industrial Revolution if they lived in Europe, but they probably would have become exactly like Europeans!
![2lufb5h[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/yT55153.jpg "2lufb5h[1].jpg")
>>76294855
>cassava
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassava#History
>Cassava was introduced to Africa by Portuguese traders from Brazil in the 16th century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vigna_subterranea#Origin_and_regions_of_cultivation
>The origin of the Bambara groundnut is West Africa [The same region as the Mali and Songhai empires, which were agricultural]
I'm sorry.
>implying "the silk road" was easy to navigate
It was one of the most popular trade routes of the time and sure as hell a lot easier to navigate than the Sahara, bucko.
>domestication starts with catching and taming a few animals and BREEDING them into domestication.
So let me get this straight: you believe that with enough perserverence all animals can be domesticated? That their inherrent temperament plays no role?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestication#Domestication_of_animals
>Certain animal species, and certain individuals within those species, make better candidates for domestication than others because they exhibit certain behavioral characteristics
Certain animals are inherrently more fit for domestication than others. Wild horses, despite being "real bastards", were more appropriate for domestication than zebras. Which is why even today they can only be tamed at best.
>Spiderman meme
U mad bruh?
>>76295657
>100% of the scientific community agrees that whites are inherently superior to blacks then you're legitimately retarded yourself.
100% of the scientific community (well, more like 95%, you still have a few "multiple intelligence" retards around, although they're a dying breed) agree that the black-white IQ difference in America is equal to one standard of deviation (15 points) and mostly genetic in origin.
Interpret that as you will. Facts are facts.
>>76295129
>>76295572
Domestication doesn't mean they're a viable food source. Meat eaters are immediately thrown out, herbivores need a reliable, staple crop that can feed them and the humans that take care of them. Africa simply has much shittier crops than what Europe, the Middle East and Asia had.
And please, don't make the argument that "well we can grow shit in Africa now", because we have the technology now to make crops much much mor efficient, especially compared to way back then.
>>76294355
Seconding this book. Long live biological determinism.
>>76295657
Whites are inherently superior to blacks
>>76295876
So now you've resorted to cherry picking random shit
>>76295001
Oh, ok. Then we pretty much agree on everything.
You're a cool toothpaste.
>>76295751
The Incas had probably the most extensive road system in the ancient world, certainly in the New World. That is impressive, but your argument is bad.
>>76292837
Sossen central Ghent ofcourse
>>76295939
Don't know if you know, but Harpending died of cancer a couple of months ago. Rip in peace.
>>76286506
of course it would take longer with elephants they have a huge gestation period
zebras have a gestation period similar to horses
