Why do you think your candidate is better?
Try to be specific, and avoid using ad hominem attacks and logical fallacies GO
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There can be only one.
>>76245705
Wew boy really tryin' hard there aren't ya
Alright, I'll just put this tryhard copypasta for your shitty thread.
Theology>Philosophy>Politics
This is the basic triarchial process. Any dogma or anti-dogma becomes rationalized philosophy, which then is applied into culture and then politics. Politics are applied philosophy. Philosophy is rationalized theology. Not all theology is converted into philosophy, just as not all philosophy is converted into politics. But they sure are each other's foundations.
Now there are some demarcations you can follow. There are two basic clasifications which, confusingly enough, run parallel. One clasification is horizontallity (theology, philosophy, politics) and the other classification is vertical (metaphysics, antimetaphysis and ametaphysics).
First, it all starts with theology. Theology is how man interprets its being and self and its relation with what is outside himself. There are two basic metaphysic "schools": traditional trascendentalism, and gnosticism.
Traditional trascendentalism is zoroastrianism, traditional catholicism/orthodoxy, and shi'a muslims.
They believe that as there is a creation, there must be a creator god. You are saved by a combination of faith and good deeds.
The other theological school is gnosticism, which has the widest array of theological and spiritual beliefs. Hinduism, Egyptian/Baal/babilonic sun worship, Wahabi islam, New Age, Judaism, Freemasonry, Illuminism, Neopaganism and a myriad of different modern cults/sects.
>>76247080
The key difference between both is that gnosticism believes salvation does not come from god, but from mankind itself. In gnosticism the supreme being (person) is antagonized by the demiurge (god) which must both fight each other. God wants to submit Man, and Man must fight God to obtain their freedom, to uncover what they knew as GNOSIS, the ultimate form of knowledge which could make Man no longer need God, because they would be a sort of god themselves with the help of supreme knowledge.
But not everything is theological and suprarrational, and while the ancient religions and the mysticism in new age stuff assumes there are things above rationality (suprarrationality) and the existence of a god or deities, there is a non-theological approach which is antimetaphysics. Antimetaphyiscs are rational, and do not believe in things outside science or rationality. It is modernism. It is centered on mankind, science and its material woes. They reject the study of the outside, but rather focus on the inside and rationality of man as a sentient being. The core of a modernists is agnosticism: they follow the basic premise of gnosticism that mankind saves itself, but it rationalizes it and removes the mystical aspects as it feels only rational knowledge can save mankind and everything outside rationality is fake.
>>76247192
Then finally, in rejection of anti-metaphyiscs and modernism there lies the fairly new field of AMETAPHYSICS: the rejection of all grand myths and beliefs. An antimetaphysic is postmodern. This school rejects both the metaphyiscal suprrationality of things beyond mens understanding and also rejects antimetaphysical rational explanations of the universe. Instead they believe in non-understanding of the universe, that truth lies in the eye of the beholder, and that any establishment of a universal truth or relation with one's inner self and the outside world is a one-sided imposition of thought. Therefore, a postmodern believes that every persona has its own version of reality, "everyone is right at the same time" which must not be interfered by outside influences, because it will deny the liberty of man. So it is irrational in itself.
Finally, I will list the diferent subdivisions of anti-metaphyisical thought so you can make your own reaseach. Note that Gnosticism is sincretic, so that sometimes it seems to be directly related with some antimetaphiysical rationalist doctrines, only to finally show its internal incoherence with the movement it seeks to parasite. A great example is freemasonry, seems rational but is not.
Renaissance
Rationalism
Empiricism
Romanticism
Idealism
Positivism
Naturalism
Materialism
Utilitarianism
Pragmatism
Vitalism
Voluntarism
Decadence Theory:
a) Theory of Degeneracy
b) Theory of Racial Pessimism
c) Theory of Historical Pessimism
d) Theory of Cultural Decline
Fenomenology
Existentialism
Estructuralism
and finally:
Deconstructionism (which leads directly to avoiding antimetaphyisics all together and becoming ametaphyisics)
>>76247252
Therefore, when you see colliding narratives in the media remember the masses are widely anti-metaphyisical and rationality oriented, the elites are mostly gnostics in hiding and metaphyiscal suprarrational mysticalfags, and the new left is ametaphyisical and irrational. So irrationality is pushed into the rational mases while the elites hide away in their suparrational beliefs.
My 2 cents.
So why doesn't the "all races are equal"; "all religions are the same" apply to (((Our Greatest Ally))) but is does to Europe? Because they are postmodern ametaphyiscal beliefs, established after decades of deconstruction by Derridá, Lacan, Zizek, and other freaks. In (((Our Greatest Ally))), the key belief is gnosticism, and thus metaphysical though: what has governed man since even before Sumeria. We have embraced a self-destructive philosophy, which is based in irrationality and denial of reality. What we had before might not necessarily be okay though, antimetaphyisics being the open rejectment to great european spirituality and tradition, as it is essentially the precursor of SJW thought and directly leads into it. What we must start to embrace then, might be metaphyisics. Aristotle, Plato.
And there is the main key problem between nationalist groups. Is it going to be Gnosticism or Trascendentalism? Is Jungian thought, paganism, going to triumph over traditional christianity, like a revival of germanic mysticism like in the Third Reich, a true comeback of the Hidden Sun? Or is traditional transcendentalism going to make a triumphal comeback when modern christianity finally breaks down under the pressure of agnosticism and posmodernism like Christian Orthodoxy and in Iran?
I don't know, I am a philosopher, and don't know about what might happen. But I do hope we learn as much as we can as fast as we can, because we are falling behind and the postmodern fucks are tearing our minds apart.
TL;DR Fuck you
Gary Johnson
>>76247338
Trump is the best candidate because he is the most likely to break western civilization out of the current postmodern ametaphysical system, the other two will merely propagate our slow decline.
I was divided because I'm Hispanic I love my country, but I also love my people. Then I saw San Jose and I knew the wall needs to get 10 feet taller
>>76247192
Interesting, but salvation actually does come from man, or rather the realisation of man's connection with God. You must actively choose and seek enlightenment.
Your idea of transcendentalism (which until now I had no idea was mutually exclusive from Gnosticism) seems to be about denying the self, that is nihilism and harmful to the soul. Gnosticism on the other hand is about discovering the self. God isn't something that can be fought anymore than a waterfall can be pushed back by a single man.
>>76247252
In fact what I'm alluding to is directly opposed to postmodernism, it's about self responsibility and your individual path to (unattainable) perfection.
God only loves that which is perfect, or completely evolved, which is not you.
>>76247338
And then the antisemitism.
There's an important revelation of achieving immortality without the mystic Lucifer experiment (not talking Zimbardo here) within Judaism, it's unfortunate that this is shielded from you.
Well good job successfully derailing a shit thread into theology.
BTW
Science > philosophy == politics > sociology > theology
Theology is about raising kids with pragmatism.
This really isn't what I had in mind boys.
>>76245468
i like trump because he is not as pro mideast war as hillary and more pro 2nd ammendment than bernie
>>76248229
>salvation comes from man
Billions of people would disagree with you, don't claim knowledge that you don't have. I'm an agnotic Gnostic. :^)
>transcendentalism seems to be about denying the self
Nietzsche noticed this as well.
>antisemitism
I could have included the Anglo-American elites and other groups, but most /pol/lacks latch onto the Jews because it's easier to understand, those that are looking will find the other people.
>achieving immortality
Working on it. The Kaballah and Key of Solomon have been useful, but I haven't reached it yet.
>Well good job successfully derailing a shit thread into theology.
How you choose your theology will determine your politics, the two are connected. Changing someone's view on politics is hard when they have a differing theology.
>>76248229
>Science > philosophy == politics > sociology > theology
lol, here's a bit more copypasta
Take atheism as an example. Why is it flawed initially? Because philosophy is rationalized theology. So atheists are likely to claim a lack of theology when this is impossible. Rather, they're pretending it isn't there. Or by claiming it's "natural" and so on. Scientism arises in a similar way when scientists claim science has no epistemology, they're more or less claiming ignorance of empiricism. Science operates on certain assumptions about the world.
Why is there an association between atheists, humanists, communists, and so on? There are atheists who fervently deny association with the latter, although the latter usually claim atheism as a basis. What is the origin of this? The answer is that most atheists, by rejecting the creation myth, immediately embrace the gnostic myth (Man is the supreme being). Man is the supreme being and he just needs to overcome an obstacle (or obstacles) to reach his full knowing. Sound familiar? This common phenomenon is known as "alienation", such as:
> Whenever a man is not fulfilled by his own view himself, his society or his environment, then he is at odds with himself and feels estranged or alienated, and called in question.
So when people become enlightened and declare that religion is holding us back, stopping us from being great, etc. they are echoing the rallying cry of Marx, who said the same thing. (Marx took this from Feuerbach.)
Marx however expanded this not just to religion but also to economic and social life. The economic conditions we live in alienate us from our real humanity. (Yes, this makes leftists who deny human nature a special kind of hilarious, because Marx argued for communism on the basis that it would allow them to realize their real human nature. Classic.) alienation garbage. It has got to go."
>>76249530
So to see the link between atheism and communism, it's the underlying gnostic tradition. (Judaism and New Age share it as well, which is why New Age was pushed as a 'stepping stone' to communism.) And honestly, every form of 'liberation theology' can be traced back to this. Unsatisfied with your life? All you need is to be liberated from _! Fill in the blank and you've got your -ism.
Capitalism: Communism
Men: Feminism
Religion: Atheism
The State: Anarchy
And so on and so forth. It's the same story, just with a different spin. Of course, liberation theology is dependent upon another philosophical framework: Dualism, or the belief that the mind and body are composed of separate substances. (Often known as Cartesian dualism, thanks to Descartes. I always want to give him a good smack in the face for this.)
One thing I can state for certain is that rejecting dualism is an absolute must. We cannot have any of this bullshit of "trapped in a man's body" or false consciousness or alienation garbage. It has got to go."
>>76245468
Trump not cuck> bernie
Trump not soros muslim shill> shillary
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>>76249404
I'll give you a hint, it's about (paradoxically) denying your identity as an individual but at the same time defining your identity by rational and logical metrics. The trinity is a very useful tool here.
Lastly, there's a reason Jews force their children to read the Torah, in a way this is a form of nihilism and is inferior to simply teaching your child everything, but of course that demands a lot of time given to child rearing, which makes me wonder if writing a living book would be more effective.
>>76249530
Atheism is an intellectual fashion, don't give me this shit. So many atheist are so purely because they believe it implies greater intelligence, these types are easy, they'll just call you stupid and irrational for believing in something without proof. It's a fashion statement, one that falsely implies a dedication to logic and reason, but watch them shirk debate.
If you're a high intelligence theist, you can slowly explain to them your reasoning, but you'll probably get
>I don't believe that, so it's false
..
I'm not sure if my atheist friend is being genuine and I'm a victim of Poe's law, or if he's actually that deep into solipsism.
>>76249663
Socialism is dysgenic, it will never shed its tall poppy syndrome. Again, God only loves that which is perfect and since nothing is, we can surmise God hates that which impedes progress to perfection. I've personally witnessed what could be construed as "coincidences" that poke fun of things which preach delusions, like polytheism. Unfortunately this is entirely a personal experience.
Lastly, what if I told you identity was a much looser concept than humans allow themselves to believe? Everything you are has been chiseled by this cold universe, it leaves an impression on you like a mould in clay. Could you not contend the possibility that you're the mould instead of the clay? When you realise that's false, but only a little more than it is true, you realise enlightenment.
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>>76250573
We're God that has forgotten that he's God. Can God make an object so heavy that he can't lift it? Of course, but only while he doesn't realize he's God.
I think when you ordered Science > philosophy == politics > sociology > theology you were doing it in terms of usefulness, I was doing it in terms of which one is based on the other for abstraction purposes. By putting science at the top I thought you might be one of those "enlightened by my own intelligence" fedoras.
One of my atheist friends was a solipsist, I don't know if debating them will help, personally I think they're almost a lost cause.
>Could you not contend the possibility that you're the mould instead of the clay?
Sounds like you're saying we're software, not hardware, which I agree with. Hell, the very first statement of metaphysics shows that you're here forever, existence cannot become nonexistence, it can only be transformed.
