Why SHOULDN'T we raise the minimum wage, /pol/?
Because we arent retards
>>76227259
bump
cause i don't wanna pay $20 for s fucking cheeseburger
Because you live in america
Why not just designate a maximum wage instead?
>>76227259
I make 15 bucks an hour right now.
Raising the minimum wage technically lowers mine.
We SHOULD. We should raise it to a MILLION dollars a year. Then within a year everyone will be a millionaire. Poverty solved in 1 year.
If you can see why the above is nonsense then you also know why raising the minimum wage is pointless. All you do is put low skilled workers out of a job. Businesses will look to automation because it's cheaper.
Why SHOULDN'T we lower the minimum wage?
>>76227259
Because there is zero evidence that raising the minimum wage will improve the standard of living. Australia has the highest minimum wage in the world yet Americas average income is much higher.
I think we should have a higher minimum wage.
But only after we completely decimate welfare. Having both is unsustainable, and having a higher wage would benefit those that actually try, so I lean for that.
>>76227541
That's... Actually a good idea. Except for Farmers and the rest.
>>76227667
Why aren't you fighting to raise YOUR minimum wage, then?
>>76227259
Take lovely Bernies wonderland here.
Denmark may have an average wage of 20 us bucks.
However that just creates inflation, Denmark is pretty much one of the most expensive countries to live in, in the world with our capital topping.
The average american has more free money in his hands than a dane.
So that is why.
>>76227811
Because then only "Very privileged" kids and rich Tublrinas will be able to go to college.
>>76227259
It's a ruse for fed gov to rake in more tax dollars. Under Bernie's plan, 40% tax on anyone who works more than 23hrs a week at $15/hr. Min wage employees take home marginally more (maybe not after state tax like cali) but fed government takes home a huge increase to give to gibmes and dindus.
Clinton Wins
>SJWs decide their day has finally come.
>It's time to indoctrinate everyone with their propaganda
>Gay is OK programs taught in kindergarten class
>Children exposed to sexual deviants and transexuals
>Children drugged and surgically deformed so they can become trans at a young age.
This is already happening under Obama. It will only get worse under Clinton
>Women become insufferable now that a woman is in the white house.
>Life is a living hell for every man in America
>Feminists see that their day has come
>They gain more power than ever with the backing of a woman president
>The feminist agenda is now taught in schools
>Disagreeing with feminist think is now considered a hate crime
Also starting to happen right now
>Blacks see Trump defeated
>Really angry over his campaign
>Already committing a huge number of race crimes against whites
>Start a literal race war of retaliation against white people
>Random acts of violence against whites everywhere you go
>White women raped in record numbers
>All because "whitey deserved it" for supporting Trump
Already starting to happen
>Hispanics flood into the country while Clinton looks the other way
>Many of them want to retaliate against whites for supporting Trump
>Whites are unsafe in all major cities
>Gang crime and graffiti skyrockets in all major cities.
>Drug trafficking explodes
>Border states begin to crumble
Already happening, and it will get a lot worse
>The LGBT community realizes their day has come
>They bully everyone into accepting their agenda
>Dozens of new gender labels
>Slippery slope is proven to be very real
>The gradual acceptance of bestiality is pushed into the public eye.
>The gradual acceptance of pedophilia is pushed into the public eye
>Gay agenda is pushed on children in school.
>If you object to your children being exposed to homosexuality in schools you are charged with a crime
This is literally happening right now
Wake the fuck up people...
We should get rid of a minimum wage but have a working welfare that will accept anyone at "minimum wage," but its shit tier, ditch digging type stuff.
If you want to work for less doing a cush job, you should be able to. And with the working welfare you can't just pump out babies and sit on your ass and collect checks.
>>76227259
learn 2 economics before you post, you fucking retard.
>>76227983
A maximum wage is a HORRIBLE idea.
The notion that we can tinker with a spontaneous order like the market system, and have any sort of predictable success, is kind of moronic.
But on the other hand, if we raise the minimum wage high enough, we can get all the Dindus replaced by robots. Fast food will have never been cleaner or more well prepared.
>>76228157
this. min wage will neve effectively be raised, even at $15
>>76227259
>forcing small businesses to pay large wages right from the start
way to hand it to the giant corporations you fool...
how is this hard for libcucks to understand?
raise the minimum wage and people lose their jobs
>why shouldn't we price-fix labor?
Basically what you're asking. No different than government trying to fix the price of bread or any other commodity.
It distorts the market. A person whose skills and experience could not command that wage in a free market is no less employable, government has created an artificial barrier of entry for them.
The irony too is minimum wage increases tend to negatively effect minority groups the worst, which is probably who white middle class liberals think they're helping when they push for these laws.
>>76227259
The real minimum wage is zero. That is to say, being unemployed. If you raise the cost of keeping employees beyond the value they provide to the business, people won't hire employees.
If the voters want workers to have things like a living wage and health benefits, they should have the government provide those things instead of expecting businesses to shoulder the burden. To do otherwise disincentives employment.
Bear in mind that after you subtract the costs of employing them, the average retail worker only provides about $6000 of profit to the retail businesses in the fortune 500. There isn't an endless supply of money with which to pay them, for example, and increasing the minimum wage from $9 per hour to $10 per hour was enough to make Walmart miss it's growth projections.
>>76228497
>get all the Dindus replaced by robots
while it helps clean up fast food, it will dirtyup the streets and increase crime. A nigger's idea of freedom from slavery is to not work and have free income. This is why BLM exists, the blacks will not work for income, to them, freedom is perceived as financial freedom, freedom from responsibility, and freedom from consequence. This is not the freedom written about in the constitution and romanticized by whties. Liberal freedom is dangerous and destructive.
>>76227541
>Why not just designate a maximum wage instead?
Well.... I'll be damned
>>76227541
>Why not just designate a maximum wage instead?
That would be horrible! Then CEOs and our sports stars wouldn't be motivated to work as hard and the very fabric of society would disintegrate!.
>>76228779
Also this
again in Bernies wonderland ranked 1 in the world for business (top kek) 8 out 10 new companies go bankrupt somewhere between 1 and 3 employees, killing innovation.
>>76228912
correct. look to venezuela if you want to see price floors in action
>>76229114
Of course! Imagine! Brady will actually have to WORK in the offseason instead of thinking about more ways to deflate a football!
>>76227259
What is the reasoning behind artifically inflating the value of unskilled labor? What does it help?
Should we charge as much for copper as we do for platinum just because we think we should be fair?
>>76229115
socialists like to assume their decisions wont have consequences.
>>76227541
Iran did that with sport contracts. Clubs ended up paying athletes with goods like cars and houses that didn't count as wage
>>76228970
>to them, freedom is perceived as financial freedom, freedom from responsibility, and freedom from consequence.
>>76229529
YEP
>>76227541
They'd find a way to get the money for themselves. I imagine all companies would suddenly open a house building division that would happen to sell mansions to the CEOs for $1.
Because it will raise prices across the board and affect everyone who doesn't work at McDonalds.
>>76227854
Surely raising the minimum wage is one of the most effective ways of reducing welfare payments -- which at the moment is just a way for taxpayers to subsidize McDonald's workers.
>>76230162
Nope. If you were starting a small business and faced higher labor costs, you would try to get the best you can get (especially if you are paying fucking $15 an hour). So this, right off the bat, leaves out huge amounts of minority populations in favor of young teenagers from good families.
>>76229900
Not only that, but everyone would be a CEO, of their own one-man company, and everyone would be employed as subcontractors, effectively nullifying any and all labor laws.
>>76229529
This is literally why Black Lives Matter exists.
>>76228345
How are we supposed to learn economics with your shitty houseboat metaphor?
It would damn sure create a lot of outsourced jobs here! Go ahead and make a $15 min wage libtards dorks, hell why not $20?
You want to see robotics and outsourcing hit records in no time flat, just go right ahead.
>>76227259
Man... It always amazes me the power the media has over the american population.
They have LITERALLY convinced a bunch of you that raising the minimum wage (because it should be higher if its to match inflation) is a bad thing, and that companies couldn't afford it. They have literally convinced the american population that cucking themselves and submitting to slavery for 7 bucks an hour is the right thing to do.
Oh but I now what responses I'll get, "if you don't like it, why don't you just?"
Yep. Why don't I just? Brb, on my way to get a job as CEO of microsoft :^)
>>76230503
The point is pretty clear, as far as things go. If you raise the minimum wage to 15$ an hour, you're just going to put people out of work.
>>76230869
Can't the same be said about a wage that is so low no one would work the job?
>>76230865
Go back to the community you fucking hippy
>>76230865
Take an economics course.
>>76231023
Elaborate.
>>76227259
Why would you only raise minimum wage to 15$? Raise it to 100$? see what happens faggot.
>>76231023
and yet, illegal immigrants will do backbreaking work for less than minimum wage...
>>76231215
Why would we? We can just look at a picture of House, Boats and Rising tides due to climate change as proposed by anon here! >>76228345
>>76227259
Yes, please. High as you can. That way, when they replace the mongoloids with robots, the robots will get my fucking order right!
>>76231571
Don't you have a fire to put out?
Raising minimum wage is pandering towards liberal cities. Can't afford to live there? Don't.
>>76231688
I have a Independance to make.
Here's the thing:
People who have taken 1 economics course say "Minimum wage is bad because my econ 101 model says so, look at this simple graph"
People who have taken more than 1 economics course know that econ 101 supply/demand graph is total bullshit, and doesn't apply to real life.
But by all means, show me the the evidence your theory is correct. We've raised minimum wage 22 times on a federal level already, and hundreds of times on a state level. Plus thousands of instances all over the world.
Surely you have a massive body of examples that show unemployment being directly affected by minimum wage.
>>76227259
Every time we raised the minimum wage in the past we almost destroyed the entire economy. Every major recession was preceeded by an increase in the minimum wage. In reality the minimum wage does nothing but empower the government and the lazy who want nothing more than to leech off of the successful. If Bernie really cared about America he would be trying to get the minimum wage abolished.
>>76227259
Because it's going to raise the price of everything. The economic scale cant be artificially tipped without the other end moving in responseYou think shit is ridiculously expensive in Commiefornia where the minimum is $10 an hour? Just wait till its $15
>>76231023
Not at all.
Designate A jobs as needing high skills (eg CEO, doctor, etc)
B jobs needing low skills (janitor, frycook)
A jobs pay A wages to compensate the A employee, and B jobs pay B wages for the same reason as well as minimum wage law compliance in some cases (note only around ~4% of US workers are minimum wage)
If you try to offer an A job for B wages, no one will do it - if a CEO can make the same amount of money flipping burgers as he would make in a significantly more demanding environment, they'll pick the less intensive job. In other words, when an A and B job exist at B wages, the B job gets done instead of the A job.
>>76231861
This and the laffer curve are usually the most revered econ memes. Like with most other topics, everything 'depends'.
>>76227541
because then they move to china
Why not keep it the same?
Why not tweak it every couple years?
Why not lower it?
Why not get rid of it?
The whole wage argument is stupid, shit's gonna go bad whichever way if you tweak it and be constantly introduce artificial intervention.
>because most of the people crying to raise minimum wage don't actually want to work harder, they probably don't have the background, and are lazy cucks who depend on the gov't to make their lives better.
That's my bag on this
>>76227259
Because it doesn't really exit. California has a $15hr minimum wage because 30% of their labor force is illegal and works for less.
>>76231861
But tomato is a fruit >.<
And professors of economics argue against minimum wage
>>76231861
>>76232427
http://thefederalist.com/2016/03/29/70-tries-after-seattle-raised-its-minimum-wage-i-still-cant-find-a-job/
Because more jobs will either be gone or automated
>>76232988
>complete loser tries to get a job and fails
>blames the minimum wage instead of himself
I thought libertards were all about personal responsibility?
>>76231861
Also, tomatoes are fruit and the civil war was about tariffs
what are you, a gay retard or something?
>>76227541
This guy gets it.
>falling for these conservative memes
>>76233161
any loser who shows up on time should be able to get a job washing dishes, "livable wage" really fucks up busineses who need to pay people sub par pay for a sub par job
>>76227259
We should. Can't get welfare at $15 hour so people are less dependent on the government.
>working an hourly wage as an adult
definitely not asking for it
>>76231369
that isn't benefiting anyone but the farm owners.
>>76233258
>wanting the government to run everything in life
>>76227259
you really want to make corporations full on states? How is a start up bussiness supposed to succeed when they can only hire half as many for half the time?
>>76227259
High minimum wage only works in low population countries and also those that are ethnically homogenous. Australia has only 20million and the white % is like 90+. We enjoy high minimum wage.
America's fault for being so big and overpopulated and 60% white. You will see total ruin and collapse for every one of your citizens before you see minimum wage rise.
America is too big to govern and fall under one rule. America should be divided into at least 4 different countries with their own leadership.
>>76231369
Because they're illegals.
Don't try to tell me native Americans wouldn't do this backbreaking work is these faggy employers paid a livable wage.
>>76233631
and the restaurants whom hire exclusively illegal immigrants to operate their kitchens.
>>76233818
and yet...servers/waiters work for $2.15 + tips, often times making less than minimum wage when all is said and done
>>76227259
You can raise it all you want. The minimum wage has always, and always will be $0.00/hr
>>76232557
oh man, don't threaten me with a good time.
>>76227541
but then how would we know who is better than who? we can't all just be equals thats retarded.
>>76228372
found the CEO
looks like you only get to take one vacation this year bitch boy
>>76229219
look I hate brady as much as the next guy but you gotta admit hes not in it for the money. the guy refused a 20m contract and settled for 12 so the pats could have a higher salary cap and get more talent in.
I know hes already rich but still, he basically said "nah I don't need another 8 million dollars"
>>76234247
>you only get to take 1 vacation
>meanwhile the workers no longer get vacations
canuuuuuuuck
>>76227259
The companies will inflate prices to pay for the payroll of workers. They will replace you with robots.
>>76232605
we just need more government funded housing. the land lords in north america are out of control. the government can't set a limit on how much they sell their property for but if the government offers cheaper housing then it would force them to not be as jewish as they are being, it would also stifle immigration because more locals would be able to afford housing.
>>76234101
It's illegal to pay someone lower than the minimum wage, these servers get paid their salary if their tips don't add up to at least 7.50.
Try again.
>>76227259
step 1
Increase the supply of low skilled labor through immigration.
>increase of supply outpaces the small increase of demand -> value of low skilled labor goes down
step 2
Enforce a price control (increased minimum wage) on low skilled labor
>outsourcing, automation and business closing down -> demand for low skilled labor goes down
The ideas of these modern leftists are the perfect recipe to destroy working class people.
>>76227259
Because minimum wage is a state issue - not a national issue. At most, the national wage should be no higher than 9.00 an hour.
We've raised a generation of people who care little about state politics since boomers though, so everyone thinks Obongo is the one they should complain it to.
It's NECESSARY to raise the minimum wage - but if you raise it too high you hurt midwest and southwest states. But states like California, York, and other similar areas suffer from extreme price inflation and you can't get by on what you get by in say Kansas.
Like I'm not spouting shit here, right? Did the period of "okay federal government" lull us into a state where state rights aren't worth a damn anymore?
>>76227259
Because I live in a State with a 10 dollar minimum wage and because of that everything is outrageously expensive!!
>>76227259
Why SHOULD we stop at $15/hr? Why not $150/hr? Why not $1500/hr? Legislate ALL the people into prosperity! That's how it works, after all!
>>76229820
Listen to this anon here. Always know that the true price of something never changes unless the consumers demand or the supply shifts.
>>76231369
I do residential landscaping and outdoor construction, even with a biology degree from a top school. I make more now than I did as a lab tech with benefits. Anyone will do back breaking work to make more money if they are motivated. Unfortunately, many young graduates now are too consumed by media and distracted by phones to build a career and generally lack the motivation to do so. The idea is that with a degree work and wealth will fall into their lap without any real world skills. Meanwhile, globalist politicians allow for international immigrants to fill the labor gap and assume the role of america's labor force. This leaves graduates in debt with useless knowledge, bad credit, and nowhere to go.
If I needed a job desperately, I would absolutely take a $7 job. I felt lucky to get one in high school. If I needed more money, I would get certification (was a lifeguard) and get a higher paying job.
>>76234633
>these servers get paid their salary if their tips don't add up to at least 7.50
and yet, after the fact, they make less.
how do you explain this?
or do you not know what youre talking about and are blasting hot air out your ass?
source: worked for 2 months as a server, making $2.15/hour + tips, often times left making $3/hour. eventually ditched it for a $10/hour job.
>>76235144
i dont even understand what point your trying to make, but im rofling at the fact that youre proud of working an hourly job, when you could use your tenacity and drive to find a much better paying job
>>76235175
>and yet, after the fact, they make less.
>how do you explain this?
I explain it by saying you're a fucking idiot if you believe this.
>source: worked for 2 months as a server, making $2.15/hour + tips, often times left making $3/hour. eventually ditched it for a $10/hour job.
If you were accepting lower than minimum wage for you work then you're actually fucking retarded, what do you want me to say? Servers DON'T earn less than minimum wage on their paycheques.
>>76234386
I needed a worthy example. Beside, as you know, Football players on our side of the border have jobs
I am a farm worker providing food for all of you weak cucks and all I get for my hard work is $10 an hour aka $12,000 before taxes for a full 7-month season of backbreaking and exhausting labor. I am finding suicide and or trying to kill a lot of people more reasonable every single day. There is no future. I hate our fucked up society and I am powerless and I want to destroy everything. When you push an individual with no power into a corner and take away more and more power from them, they will either slowly fade into hopeless despair and kill themself or snap and try to kill everyone else. I'm going to snap, I can guarantee you that, I'm not going to slowly die.
Is the USA minimum wage not yearly adjusted for inflation?
>>76227259
While raising the minimum wage would give economic stimulus through increased consumption, it will hurt the job market and small businesses so it's not a smart move to take when you're trying to build up an economy.
Bernie's economic plan is very unintuitive for precisely that reason. Much of his plans' ideas work against one another. For example:
>raise tariffs
>increase minimum wage
If retailers, equipment manufacturers, hospitals, and other American firms that buy imports will respond to higher tariffs by reducing the number of imports that they buy, why will retailers and other American firms that employ low-skilled workers not respond to higher minimum wages by reducing the number of workers that they employ?
The plan's reasoning is self-contradictory. Trump's, however, is not. He realizes the benefit of increasing the minimum wage but also realizes that it works against the worker/job focus he has.
>>76235464
and yet, we fucking do you dense fucking tree pube. along with ass loads of other workers, generally all illegal.
your minimum wage is bullshit. all it does is force honest companies to shoot themselve sin the foot until they have to lay people off and your fucking nigger socialist politicians can blame businesses for why workers dont get paid enough, furhter bumping up the minimum wage so that you can widen that class wage gap some mroe and more, pushign through your nigger fuckign socialist eocnomic practices.
your regulations dont work. they force good people into fuckign themselves, and you pander for votes.
fuck off you ass blasted know-nothing beaver. you refuse to accept the facts, even when theyre in your face. eat shit and lick a big ole black tranny cock.
>>76230869
You're implying there are jobs that can be outsourced.
Janitors, maids, sales associates, food service, couriers, stockers, etc. all haven't been made completely obsolete yet and usually get paid shit. Businesses have to either suck it up or quit the game. Some may bitch and moan but they still have a love for money. Most will inevitably stick around.
>>76235675
Nope, Juan, It's kept at the point where CEO's can scream "Im gunna buy RABOTS if you raise minimum wege!"
The basic supply and demand graph illustrates why minimum wage doesn't work, but that's not the Econ graph you want to look at.
Instead you look at isoquants/isocosts. Curves that dictate how much inputs of capital or labor for some amount of output.
Say it takes you 3 minimum wage cashiers at 10$ each to service a front counter at a restaurant. Let's say 40 hour work week. So it costs $1200 a week to service the front counter.
If you raise the minimum wage to $15 dollars, the cost to service the front counter jumps 50% to $1800.
There are two scenarios from here depending on whether they focus on costs or output. The establishment already estimated the worth of having 3 people at the counter at $1200. That's why they were hired in the first place, they would not have been otherwise and they would've hired more people instead if it turned out it was worth more than that.
Scenario 1: They fire a worker, their costs are back down to $1200, but due to lost output, they're still working at a slight loss. The actual optimal worker amount isn't that simple, but it is undoubtedly lower than what it was before. That much is certain.
Scenario 2: The replace the workers with capital if the capital produces the same amount of output, but is now cheaper than labor at the new minimum wage. For this to happen the maintenance of the machines needed to replace the labor would need to be between the new $1200 and $1800 cost. It could actually be more if the establishment predicts that costs will end up getting lower as the machines get their kinks worked out. In this scenario, the same amount of output is produced, but at a cost higher than $1200, but lower than the new minimum wage cost of $1800.
In both scenarios, there is a loss of jobs.
Hypothetical scenario 3 which doesn't happen: The establishment just eats the new minimum wage cost and does nothing.
You don't even need the graph, it's just common sense. Buinesses try to be fucking efficient about their costs
>>76235761
>and yet, we fucking do you dense fucking tree pube. along with ass loads of other workers, generally all illegal.
You're an idiot and were (and still are) completely oblivious to your country's laws. The only way you were being paid that much is because your employer knew how much of a goddamn retard you were and thought he could get away with it.
Which he fucking DID get away with since you think there's nothing wrong with that.
Raising the minimum wage without doing anything else would just lead to an increase in the price of everything, making the raise useless in the long term for the people who were in the minimum.
Meanwhile, the people who won more can now buy even less things.
>>76235321
I do this in the summer while I'm currently "retired" to make extra savings.
My rent has been paid months in advance, grad school starts in the fall. I quit medschool bc drs were getting fucked by obama and it was turning into medical slavery. My point is that anyone who really wants a successful future is not afraid to pick up a shovel whether it's full of dirt or full or horse guts ( I did that kind of work too for the vet school) pic related, these were all hand made
>>76227259
Because law of diminishing returns you fuckwit
>>76235464
wage after tips is a state by state decision, but you wouldn't know that you maple leaf canafuck
I am in favor of raising the minimum wage. Walmart basically cashes out the taxpayers for foodstamps cause they pay their employees such shit.
If you increase the minimum wage the corporations foot the bill instead of the taxpayers. Contrary to right wing rhetoric, there are numerous examples where increases in minimum wage actually increased employment and the strength of the economy. Just cause you took econ 101 doesn't mean you know jack shit about the world.
>>76235481
that has more to do with consumer value. no one watches the CFL and it doesn't make any money, thats why our players have to have side jobs.
Again, when you already have a welfare state in place, minimum wage is basically the choice between taxpayers providing them with basic resources to survive or the corporations. Either way, somebody will have to pay and you are cucked if you expect people to starve. The gov will step in and make you foot the bill.
>>76236289
We do have an agreement with the NFL to prevent them from coming here, Right? Otherwise I have no idea why no one is planning to move to Toronto over Mexico.
>>76235887
eat fucking shit and die you ignorant ass shit eater. youre a nigger enabler and youre fucking the lower class. you dont know fuckign anything, and have clearly never had to work for scraps, because youre a privileged white faggot from a trust fund home. fuck off to the eternal hell that has your name on it you cunt dejecting fuckign beaver.
>>76235969
>spraypainting what i cna only assume are 3d printed bones
wow, what back breaking work. how much did you sell each of them for?
i agree that anyone who is anyone is willing to do hard work. but the fact is, hard work jobs exist, that pay less than minimum wage, while leftist faggots liek the canuck im fuming at, push throug minimum wage jobs, forcing honest business out of the game, while enabling crooked fucks to fuck people over. and even then, illegals pick up hard work jobs, while happily accepting below-min-wage jobs.
>>76236135
>trying to start a business
>hire some pals
>have to pay them $15 right out the door, 40/hours a week to get the startup going, making nothing from the start
>getting sucked into a black hole of minimum wage requirmeents
>going out of business within a year
hahahahahahahahaha
and then you have walmart, capabe of paying everyone the minimum wage, and you have the audacity to get butthurt when they end up paying everyone, even upper management, literally the least amount of money they can legally get away with.
holy shit, niggers be fucking retarded these days.
>>76236715
>eat fucking shit and die you ignorant ass shit eater. youre a nigger enabler and youre fucking the lower class. you dont know fuckign anything, and have clearly never had to work for scraps, because youre a privileged white faggot from a trust fund home. fuck off to the eternal hell that has your name on it you cunt dejecting fuckign beaver.
Jesus Christ, you seem really upset at the knowledge that you're a fucking moron.
>>76236388
>>76235887
>>76235464
Jesus christ are all canadians this delusional? Please take in all our liberals after trump wins. They will fit right in with you lunatics.
(protip: get ready for a flood of niggers and degenerates)
>>76236599
as a canadian who grew up playing american and canadian rules football, the cfl should just fold and become 2 new divisions of the nfl.
>>76236041
elaborate
>>76236715
>>spraypainting what i cna only assume are 3d printed bones
hand made molds, hand patched and finished each one with a dremel, then painted and finished with enamel clear coat. 85 sets x 22 bones each. Go fuck yourself, 3D printing looks like shit. This is museum quality reproduction done for a university vet school.
>>76236715
>and then you have walmart, capabe of paying everyone the minimum wage, and you have the audacity to get butthurt when they end up paying everyone, even upper management, literally the least amount of money they can legally get away with.
Except Walmart has very few full-time employees, they just give their workers less than 40 hours a week and thus are not required to provide workplace benefits like for full-time workers.
And you're retarded for working as a server when you knew you were getting screwed.
>>76236779
>ignoring the facts by being an idealist who assumes that since the ((((state-by-state)))) law says you ((((have to pay hthe designated minimum wage)))) that it means that everyone honestly pays ((((all employees))) the ((((legislated minimum wage))))
like how old are you? 15?
>that immediate response
what an enormous amount of thought youve put into that post. i guess you take everythign at face value.
i have worked a job that pays less than minimum wage.
you deny it.
illegals are currently willing to work, making less than minimum wage.
you deny it
youre flat out fuckign ignorign the facts?
and yet youre one of the nigger fucking EBT thriving faggos that insists the min wage ought to go up?
do you fuckign know ANYTHINg about business administration?
have you EVER worked an honest job?
or, wait, let me guess...
youre a government employee, arent you?
>>76237181
>so ets make mor elegislation, that way we can make it easier to companies to thwart the system by giving them exact directions as to how to legally fuck workers over
youre furthering the problem dude, im telling ya....
>>76237170
i respect the effort. but mass production goods are going to be outsourced to bots
>not gassing your 3d printed models with rubbing alcohol to smooth the surfaces, then dremelling
youre cool, but im poking fun because im mad at the canuck. carry on
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>>76237187
>i have worked a job that pays less than minimum wage.
>you deny it.
It's a federal mandate that you must be paid at least the minimum wage.
>illegals are currently willing to work, making less than minimum wage.
>you deny it
I'm denying people saying that white people are unwilling to work these jobs. Whites are unwilling to work for slave wages.
>>76237170
not to sound bitter but it was a huge job and I was university staff and had to run anatomy labs while doing all this model making and didn't get a bonus or any thanks, I also did plastination but my point was that technical and scientific jobs are not always lucrative. If I went back into commercial tile I would make way more than I ever did as being on staff in a medical department. Not many people can accrue the medical and veterinary knowledge required to do that job but any schmo can learn to lay tile or landscape. I have trouble coping with the fact that advanced scientific knowledge is only as valuable as it's applications and economic ventures. Many medical and biologial avenues are not legally available outside of practice or university affiliation. I can't just start up a genome recombinance lab custom designing bacteria, even if I have the funds.
>>76237513
>It's a federal mandate that you must be paid at least the minimum wage.
your federal mandate has done a great job fixing this problem. wonderful execution. you are totally fixing the problem with your minimum wage laws.
>I'm denying people saying that white people are unwilling to work these jobs. Whites are unwilling to work for slave wages.
into the fucking trash with your posts now lol
>>76237842
>into the fucking trash with your posts now lol
You're not even going to counter my point?
You've already proved you don't know anything about your own labour laws, come on. Try it.
Fuck it let's just raise it to $16 and watch it all crumble. The robots are almost ready anyway.
>>76236878
Yeah, But we should keep our separate university football. And allow us to have more matches VS canada teams, Even if half of Canada is NFC and the other AFC.
>>76227259
because 15 is to little in some places and to much in others
everyone will move to where the cost of living is cheap and work for minimum wage
most major cities would be empty of white people and die out over night
>>76237931
what point you fucking cunigger? all yuve done is say "hurr doi, this is your law", yet here i am, telling you that employers are just finding ways to get around it. and the honest ones are going out of business. you didnt make any points you flaming homo re-re faggot
>>76237454
>mass production goods are going to be outsourced to bots
anatomical models are still hand casted, at least high end models. 3D cannot print the level of detail required; it's better suited for geometric pieces. Check out bone clones if you're interested in animal models. Same goes for fossil reproduction.
We handed off the 3D printing to our MIT people and they looked like shit. They hired me to hand cast models. in the down time I had to collect and freeze animals including horse heads. It was gross.
We shouldn't raise the minimum wage. We should abolish the minimum wage.
It would be pointless in an America with a universal basic income.
go ahead and raise it
good luck getting a job
>>76238097
If employers are somehow finding ways (finding some retard who won't question being paid less than he's supposed to) then maybe someone should contact proper authorities and get the situation rectified.
>>76238141
Like this?
>>76238327
so thn your point is that the address th eissue of people not being paid enough is to force companies to pay more, when they already try their damndest to pay less than th eminimum wage, and soemhow get away with doing it?
this si the fuckign problem. your solutions dont fix the problems. they further them. you dont know jack shit but what your lord emperor trodor tells you
and once again, immigrants are mroe than willign to accept lower than minimum wage pay,a dn tis putting honest people out of work
holy fucking shit, youre too damn stubborn to say you might be wrong about your implementation
>>76238610
Just because you willingly accepted illegal immigrant tier wages doesn't mean there's anything necessarily wrong with the system. You just didn't know your rights.
>>76238381
yeah but it was a lot of hacking through with the saw. They would usually want a head, 3 limbs and genitals. Worst was picking up cow GI from the butcher, it would overflow out of 50gal barrels. Rumen are fucking massive. Finally stopped having nightmares about dead animals, or at least it has slowed down.
The amount of information organized by the global market is simply too much for the human mind to aggregate. Our tinkering with a massive spontaneous order like the market- or weather system- is likely to have no predictable effect on the problems we are trying to fix. The same goes for computer programs and bureaucracies, too much information is involved for them to meaningfully utilize it to achieve outcomes. Much like systems involved in biological evolution, the market progresses by aggregating individual preferences (a sort of reproduction). As the global market system progresses, the systems involved are becoming exponentially more complex and voluminous.
The best market strategy is self interest. Compete and win is the only solution- decay is the only other option. It's actually very natural process.
Because flipping burgers at McDonald's isn't a life. That's not worth paying someone $15 an hour.
It's not our fault that you can't go to school, get an education and get out of the kitchen. Or start a business. Or do something other than flip burgers.
>>76238813
>your rights
>that enables employers to maneuver through the system, to the point that people think that forcing companies to pay more hourly will fix their problems.
please stop ignoring the facts you idealist nitwit.
>meanwhile employees are losing their benefits
>meanwhile more people are going on welfare
>meanwhile people are having to work two jobs to make ends meet
>meanwhile the middle class is disappearing
>meanwhile jobs are getting outsourced to nations where labor costs less
you are being absolutely btfo
>youre just a big dumb dumb for accepting shit pay
>>76239111
this. you want people to make a living wage? then get rid of this minimum wage bullshit, and make employers earn your respect and gratitude by providing you with decent enough pay, rather than offering you the least amount they are LEGALLY required to pay simply because you need a job
>>76239352
this too. people are being sucked into lives of working minimum wage, rather than working their way up, because you enable them
Ask the swiss why they rejected a free lunch.
>>76227259
people think it will take money from the wealthy and redistribute it to the poor - it won't
it will take money from the middle class and redistribute it to the poor. The middle class already has enough problems without forced charity for lazy retards.
>>76239436
>you are being absolutely btfo
Anyone who takes $2.50 and hour and says "T-thanks b-b-boss..." at the end of the week is the most pathetic little worm I've ever heard of.
You are actually down syndrome tier dopey.
>>76236041
still not seeing how the law of diminishing returns applies here.
Raising the minimum wage will cause robotic automation to take hold of our economy gradually, allowing our society to transcend fully into the robot age. No one will have to work and everyone will be free to do whatever they want to do. Stressful dangerous living disappears and the common human lifespan doubles.
>>76239552
wow, what a great point. youre really doing your government a huge favor. youre really just doing a swell job addressing the problems
>hey man, look, we really need people, so how about this. you tell me what to make, and ill hire you on the spot, so long as you can start tomorrow
>brah, i have 5 people fighting for this position, so if you want this job, accept this pay, otherwise, see ya
anyway, im done here. the canuck rhetoric has basically reduced down to "youre a big dumb stupid dumbo for accepting pay that youre willing to earn now"
>>76227259
this is why op suck a fat one
Raise the minimum wage wont do shit
You would also need to Renegotiate all the subsidies and grants to better control price of goods at the market.
If were already paying the fuckers to grow this shit theres no reason we should pay inflated prices on top of it so farmer joe can pay for the next wing expansion to his ranch home while hiring undocumented workers for outright illegal wages in safety conditions that fail to meet osha's already gaping loose standards and forward money to senator Bernstein to keep the gravy train rolling
Void and null old grandfathered in agreements for water or land usage rights while were at it.
Make lobying and being accomplice to it an act of treason.
Arm every citizen with a peacemaker
Of course bernie wont do this though.
He plays the part of a socialist well, but in truth he's a bolshevic only out to strengthen the party at the expense of the people.
He sits atop a miserable pile of secrets and lies and has disregarded the peoples interest to better serve his own, anti-american, pro marxist agenda. On the day of the revolution we shall nail the senator down to a printed pile of all his lies and misdeed and burn him alive with all his ill gotten gains.
>>76227259
CRASHING THIS ECONOMY
WITH NO SHEKELS
>>76239552
Hey Canada, I have seen the housing shows from your country and I think you are forgetting how inflated your housing runs. There are areas in rural US where a mortgage could run as low as $2-300 a month for a 2 bedroom ranch. A dual income of service workers can easily pay this mortgage. Also, STATES decide the pay after tips. This is largely because some areas like rural Wyoming might not get many weekday customers, so they can only pay a server 2.50 an hour to just sit around and be available until someone comes in, however, on the weekends, say families come into Yellow Stone for a summer retreat, the diner will pick up business and everyone will make money. If the diner had to pay the server to sit around all day at $15/hr then they would send her home or not employ them to begin with. The wife might just become an auto mechanic or carpenter like the husband.
I'm not your friend, buddy.
>>76235872
CMU Economics Professor Seal of Approval here
>>76235766
It's not about out sourcing. If I own a McDonald's and am now forced to pay $15 an hour I'm going to hire the best of the best. The majority of McDonald's workers are not $15 materia, thus they would loose jobs to higher skilled workers
