How did the romance between Marxism and Irish Republicanism begin? Irish Republicans are generally Catholic, so why do they embrace an ideology that rejects religion and has a history of hostility towards the Catholic Church?
Why are Americans obsessed with us?
The French Revolution and Jacobinism is the long answer
James Connolly is the short one
I would stress however that it is still chiefly a nationalism that rejects the universalism of Marxism and Liberalism. The USSR refused to support them for that reason
>>76204621
Irish are one of the biggest ethnic groups in america.
>>76204621
I'm legitimately curious too could you pls respond?
>>76204685
>mfw Marxism is a coincidence and Liberalism isn't
>>76204621
because we are you
>>76204621
The Potato famine made your people leave your shit island and colonize us and now most of new England is Irish ethnically. Long story short New England is now New Ireland because of you fucks.
>>76204985
Woah, really makes you think
>>76204621
>>76204708
Basically what >>76204695 said. Especially in the northeast and the large industrial cities, you have a lot of descendants of Irish who still feel they're more Irish than American (see bands like Dropkick Murphys) and will be all "notice me Eirann-senpai".
>>76205113
>Naming a place after the country that cucked you
kek
>>76204832
Irish Nationalism and the German Empire are best allies
>>76204344
Some elements of Irish republicanism had strong left leaning marxcist ties like the INLA but for the provos it is a primarily nationalist struggle but still leaning heavily to the left as being (rebels) and anti establishment (British government) mostly working class see themselves as leaning more to the revolutionary left as it is against what many believe to be the right leaning Brits
I'm a potato nigger in Norn Iron with family who are heavily republican so I know a little bit
>>76205192
>Potato Famine happens because british
>move to USA
>Decide to live in a mainly anglo area called New ENGLAND
nah your countrymen living there are the cucks
>>76204695
Irish are one of the loudest ethnic groups in america
There. Fixed it for you.
>>76205389
Also middle and upper class catholics are generally conditioned bourgeois to British rule. Of course in that case the working class will be more radical
>>76205649
and most are white trash and act like niggers
>>76205757
The only white trash in america are the Americans of German descent. The Anglo Americans and Irish Americans are the best in your country. They literally run it.
After getting dicked so heavily by the English, their original Catholic Jacobite ideology gradually shifted to a more modern victim oriented leftist ideology that helped them give necessary theoretical justification to the political action they felt was needed for them to survive and achieve independence. Nearly all movements that undergo a degree of decolonisation will find Marxoid leaders gaining prominence, Africa in particular is absolutely littered with these types.
>>76205876
I take it you haven't been to South Boston then or any major city with a high Irish pop. and they did run it but now its mainly WASPs and Ashkenazi Jews running the show and most Irish I have met are literal niggers and they act like them too.
>>76206206
>t. German American
>>76205113
>the Eternal Potato
>>76206206
kek
been to south boston, saw muh heritage, and it looked like nigger tier behavior
>I left after seeing a knife fight outside the trainstation
>all 3 involved were white
Irish are the worst, IRL and on /pol/.
>>76204344
It started in the 60s to try to get protestants to support a united Ireland. Even though the movement always has some leftist elements in it since 1916 they were at the fringe. In fact most republicans were closer to thing like conservatism and nationalism than marxism. As for Northern Ireland, Sinn Fein has been pushing this propoganda in Belfast and Derry for the last 40 years and and rather than materialise into a swing in working class protestants voting republican (which was the plan ) PBP (trotskyite party) defeated Sinn Fein in West Belfast and Foyle their two urban strongholds. This is all the lefty bullshit coming back to bite Sinn Fein on the ass because these new movements have literally no desire for a united Ireland, all they want is benefits and migrants. Meanwhile the more conservative catholics in rural areas are begining to abstain (some even shy DUP voters now) because of Sinn Fein moving to the left. Within just a few years the shinners have jumped on the LGBT and abortion bandwagon in an attempt to potray the unionists as the boogey man and that they enslave women. The truth is alot of people here don't mind abortion but they don't want to pay for it with their own money because of their own religious beliefs. The party itself is rotten to the core, especially the youth wing, at QUB the Cumman call each other comrade and carry communist insignia. As for the ordinary catholics, they are truly nationalist and republican they don't like the party they know it is abusing their core voter base (basically in an attempt to appeal to green party voter/ who hate republicans as much as unionists). The main reason catholics still vote Sinn Fein is because they fear the unionists having too much power in the assembly, that is it, they don't like Sinn Fein but they fear the unionists too much.
FYI the supposedly marxist sentiment of the first republicans did say equality. But they meant equality before the law, not wealth redistribution
>>76206304
almost forgot
>potato nigger
>>76206431
>Race mix with americans
>Don't expect nigger tier behavior
>>76206304
>German American
German Americans are pretty normal here tbqh and are just your average person here but how about you come over to a city like Boston and meet your brothers and see how they control the US and aren't literal niggers and plebs
I'm Irish and I can confirm that the Irish are not white. We're barely even human.
>>76206571
mixing with white people here improved the lot of you, paddy
>>76206571
Nah man most of them are pretty pure Irishmen and are proud of good old eire also since you fucks came here you have been pulling nigger tier behavior (Micks stole abe lincoln's body once as well as most bank robberies being done by micks also a shit ton of street fighting)
>>76206785
You're correct. We've transcended the realm of men. We are gods.
>>76206828
We wuz Irish gods and shit
>>76206879
That's past tense Tyrone, but keep your chin up hopefully one day you'll get there.
>>76206811
Are you jealous that I am literally more white than you? It seems to be the case.
>>76206457
>The truth is alot of people here don't mind abortion but they don't want to pay for it with their own money because of their own religious beliefs.
Catholics literally can not support abortion in any way shape or form due to a long dead pope and his crazy shenanigans basically stating that aborting unbaptized children is literally damning an innocent soul to hell. This isn't an issue you can debate, or discuss, or compromise on. It is literally sending baby souls straight to hell according to catholic dogma and it is a huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge sin that can not ever be forgiven. And by extension, it damns every tax paying catholic to hell for aiding in the murder of innocents and sending them straight to eternal damnation.
>>76206879
We IZ paddy
>Pretend to be Nationalist
>Vote for parties that promise to open country to legions of Muslims
You've got to remember that Irish (and Scottish) people do not speak the same English as the rest of the world. The word Nationalism to them just means "Hates English people".
They are not real nationalists and are no ally against the globalists.
>>76207095
are there white people in Dublin? cuz it looks like Somalia to me
>>76207101
>Prottie heretic detected
>>76207134
>Nationalist Party hasn't been in power since 1922
>Around 100 years ago
???
>>76207234
More than America that's for sure also it goes without saying but
>Nigger as president
Need I say more?
>>76207101
>Limbo not hell
Friendly reminder most catholics in Ireland are meme tier. I left the church because it was a load of shite, i'm atheist though as in I literally just cannot fathom any idea of a god. Most catholics in Ireland only go to mass because they like to pretend they will all go to heaven, none of them actually follow the religion in any serious shape or form. The gay marriage referendum should be proof of that, they might claim to be religious but only follow the parts they like, and turn on the church when it says they are not behaving as a catholic should, at this point the church is normally seen as going too far. Given the choice between earthly hedonism and their ancient dogma and beliefs 95% plus would choose the former. The only real catholics left are either old people or Polish, some Protestant groups take their religion seriously but they are universially hated
>>76204344
Communists believe in the right to self determination.
>>76207134
Yeah true. Its not pro Ireland its just anti Britain. Worse they don't realise by ceating more welfare programs they make catholics more economically dependant on the union and less likely to vote to leave. They aren't nationalist at all a united Ireland does not benefit them electorally, they want the union and just enough nationalism for people to vote for them, then to pump them full of marxist bullshit
>>76204344
Irish Republicans are degenerates.
WTP
>>76206206
I'm Irish American from South boston. What is with this dumb meme? Jeffrey shame not irish. Ted bundy not irish. Literally not one serial killer has an Irish last name. All the Irish want to to is play the pennywhistle, fuck their women (making white children), drink, and dance.
It's like the rest of the white race is from another planet. Also our ancestors created bluegrass in the usa.
Why are Germans and bits so cruel and violent? Why do they take pleasure in watching people suffer?
>>76204344
Marxism does not have a history of hostility towards Catholicism. Catholicism and Marxism have always marched hand-in-hand.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_theology
>>76206579
South Boston has little to no Irish anymore since forced busing and all the Chinese immigrants flooding it. You're mad, Boston is literally the most comfy city and Massachusetts has the highest average IQ in the USA. Success breeds jealousy.
>>76206814
And the vast majority of serial killers were German americans. Find me a single mick who is as sick as dhamer. German Americans and brits failed to create any musical genres in america. If it weren't for the Irish blacks would be solely responsible for all American music. See bluegrass.
>>76205400
This. They hate the English when they are in their country but when they leave it they want to be around the English. Same shit with Scots.
>>76208454
>>76208261
Quit lying South Boston is a white trash shithole filled with crime. I have seen it myself
>>76208741
>Serial Killers
>having anything to do with paddies stealing and beating the shit out of people
>>76208770
Well yeah what the fuck do you expect m8 from a mick
>>76205400
New England is more Irish than english. You're mad because we won the cultural war. Irish music is superior to English music. Slip jigs are often in a 9 count which extremely odd for Western music. English trad is boring. An Irish man born in Dublin invented the nocturne that Chopin admired and imitated. The Irish/scots invented bluegrass in america. The British never really contributed to classical music. Irish music, literature, and art is objectively superior. Aryans are cruel and take pleasure in watching their fellow man suffer. The bulk of serial murderers are germanics. I don't think there is a single case of this in ireland.
>>76206319
Kek. This needs to stick
Ireland loves Africa!
Kill All Taigs
God Save The Queen
>>76209330
>We invented music and shit and dem germanic peoples wuz living caves and shit while we wuz inventing everything
You Plastic Paddies are just white copies of the "We wuz kangs" niggers
>>76209207
Yeah find me some mick serial killers they are all German and british. Like dhamer ducking dudes in the assignment and eating their flesh. You have the audacity to complain about Irish crime? You lot are by far the sickest mentally in the world. Look up serial killers by nation. The Irish have a kind heart. They are good natured. When they do kill it is for honor even when that sense of honor is warped. The iris do not take pleasure in seeing people suffer. We like to fuck , drink, and play music. We will get in a drunken fistfight but that's about it.
>>76204344
its one and the same really
take land of the ruling class ie the british and distribute it out to le poor irish born proletariat
its pure populism.
>>76209831
>I'm just going to talk about how serial killers were German and avoid him pointing out that we act like niggers with stealing and assaults because fuck reality because we wuz peaceful before whitey germans showed up
here are some Irish serial killers in Ireland/England and for america it is near impossible to find due to everyone being mixed european but I am sure that some here have Irish blood
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Irish_serial_killers
>>76209705
Not really. I don't think my ancestors were anything but piss poor peasants, but I feel the need to speak up against your bashing of them. You expect me to forego the honor of my forbears and call myself a subhuman? Get a grip man. No I have a sense of honor. I wouldn't go around bashing your ancestors in such an unprovoked way because I have empathy. Like it or not Massachusetts has the highest average IQ in the United states, and is ethnically Irish by majority. Boston is a beautiful city. I see white trash of all stripes and ancestries.
>>76210219
>four incidents
>two of them are women (prostitutes)
>most of them in Britain
I don't see them eating flesh and acting as degenerate as dhamer.
>>76209705
>>76210286
It's true you know. There is nothing worse than a plastic paddy.
I wish Americans would just embrace the neo-European culture that has been created (and is under threat) in America, instead of trying to involve themselves in cultures and societies they can probably never understand.
It's like the third generation Italian American who goes to 'the old country' and expects to be accepted like a long lost child. It's just not how it works. You're not Irish-American, you're not Italian-American, you're not Polish-American. You're American, act like it. Embrace it.
>>76204621
they sort of are us when we immigrated there we spread like rats so much so that 10% of them claim to be Irish tl;dr they got MICKED
>>76204344
I originally thought they just wanted to take back Northern Ireland from the UK... but I think it's stupid that they have embraced Marxist ideology.
>>76204344
Nationalism and marxism are often combined in anti-Colonial struggles. Swedish nationalists are also heavily socialist and the people protesting gay marriage in Sweden the most were communists
>>76210286
>Plastic Paddy at it's finest
You do know Anglos live there too right and they bump up the IQ and have a higher IQ than the Irish
>>76210494
No, there are 6 if you add the women faggot 2+4=6 are you retarded? also nice cherry picking with Dahmer.
>>76210637
>>76204344
Generally, the movements seeking to split apart Britain, or those that were resistant to the British Empire were left-wing movements, Indian nationalists, Irish Reupblicanism and now the S"N"P.
>>76210878
kek
>>76210614
and I love how he goes on sperg outs about how the Irish invented everything and germans wuz living in caves and shit
>>76210788
Look at serial killers by country. Notice how Ireland isn't even listed on wiki. Notice how long Germany and Britain's rapsheet is.
>>76209010
We know we're cucked. Ireland is just a few years behind us.
>>76210685
The KKE (greek communist party) is opposed to gay marriage. Old school Stalinists tend to be a bit socially conservative.
>>76211038
>Oh gee someone isn't posting endless trump threads and posts about Irish Politics instead better tell them to go somewhere else
kill yourself
>>76208261
Ireland is the best! I fully support their struggle against the internationalist Anglo freemasons. No offence to the English, but their empire degenerated the rest of the world and spread Globalist finances everywhere. Same thing with America. Anyway, Glory to Ireland!
>>76211205
Shut up Sweden. You're a constitutional monarchy, like Britain, act like it.
>>76210685
>Sweden has become so cucked that the communists are the voice of reason
Whew Sven!
>>76208258
Sick lad.
>>76211126
And? You do know both Germany and the UK have far bigger populations that are more compact right? Which would then lead to more mental illness being prevalent because humans aren't suppose to live in crowded areas. Check out Dr.Calhouns experiment on this m8.
>>76211093
I literally never said the Irish invented everything. I know all about Bach and Mozart I actually can play several pieces by both composers on piano. (I doubt you can)
I defended my heritage as you were literally equating having Irish ancestry with being subhuman. I didn't come in here calling germanics savages. I responded to your calling my people savages.
>>76211316
Why are they flying the Welsh flag?
>>76211141
Yeah, There is a trend, mostly from American Political tradition about "Evil communist boogeyman" but all communists nations/movements outside of the west has Been extremly socially conservative. My ancestors are slav communists but they support nationalism and traditional values
>>76211424
Basically you are by going on spergouts on everything the Irish invented and I can play music too faggot and so can most people but that doesn't make you special.
>>76211324
There is also Alot of Christian fundamentalists and nationalists. But Communism Was very popular during the cold war and many older communists are socially conservative
>>76210614
I don't care if you don't like it. Blood is blood. My family has been in America less than 100 years and they have been in Ireland for 10,000
My nationality is american. My race is irish. Deal with it.
Marxism claism to be anti-imperialistic, and Britain is perceived as the ultimate empire.
>>76204344
In short, the IRA weren't very smart.
>>76211424
Btw you aren't Irish m8 you are american faggot and if I acted like you then I would be going on spergouts on me being Maltese and telling everyone that I saved Europe and the french are assholes and killers. Kill Yourself
>>76211316
Yes, freemasons monarchy imported from France. Would've Been better If we Kept the native Vasa dynasty
>>76204344
Republicans are just as retarded as Loyalist terrorists.
Regardless of what they do, it will be the citizen's choice of whether Northern Ireland stays with the United Kingdom or joins the Republic of Ireland.
>>76204621
One of the most resilient countries in the world which is impressive.
>>76211750
Anti-Colonial nationalism has Been connected with marxism since Lenin added nationalism and the right of all nations to preserve themselves into Marxist dogma
>>76209831
stop embarassing yrself
>>76212007
Yeah, i admire Irishmen for their strenght and endurance, something we Slavs share with them.
>>76204344
Probably so they could have an excuse to get smuggled AKs from the Soviets.
>>76205876
>The Anglo Americans and Irish Americans are the best in your country
Actually, the Germans are the superior ones, and I'll prove it in two posts.
>>76211660
So what is the ultimate goal of your shot posting anti Irish American rambling? Do you not see that your image of the subhuman Irish man is just as irrational as the image of the psychotic, self loathing, violent german?
Are you really this simple minded? I never stated the Irish were a 'superior' race. I do not believe in superior or inferior races. I see each race as possessing particular qualities which distinguish them from one another. For instance, the German race produced an astonishing number of great classical composers bach, mozart, and beethoven. These people were 'special' in the sense that they were more then two standard deviations of IQ above you and me. Notice how England contributed almost nothing to classical and baroque music. Actually England has never created it's own genre of music (outside drum and bass/dusted which is kind of stupid anyway) meanwhile the Irish produced much more musically. Music is actually one of the most intellectual activities a person can engage in.
>>76212452
*note: the deep south and Appalachian Mountains is where most Irish/Scottish settled*
>>76204344
Republicanism and Nationalism aren't the same thing. Republicanism was invented by presbyterians in belfast and then later adopted by catholics, so it has more of a working class whiggish flavor. Nationalism was more of a bougie middle class thing that didn't neccesarily include military or mass political action (yeats was a huge cuck who thought he could make ireland great again by just writing faggy fairy poems.)
At least that's my understanding from the couple books I've read, real irish people will probably come and correct me.
Also, northern dissenters are the original and best irish-americans, we were murking hessians in pennsylvania while the catlicks were still thinking they could install a catholic tory monarchy and clinging to their priestridden bogs.
>>76211854
Yeah I realise that my nationality is american, but my ancestry is solely irish. My nationality is American my race is irish. That doesn't mean I go around riverdancing and talking with a brogue. It means if someone asks what my racial heritage is I say Irish because that's the country my grandparents came from. How is this hard to understand? Just a few posts ago you were bit ching about Irish Americans in Boston and how they are white trash now you claim they don't exist. Be logically consistent.
>>76211316
Kill yourself faggot
Sweden is okay.
>>76212599
Actually most of them (irish) settled in new York and boston. The ulster Scots (northern irish) settled in Appalachia and they created bluegrass (the only genre white Americans can truly call there own) notice how both new Hampshire and Massachusetts are majority Irish and have the highest IQ in the country.
>>76212525
>So what is the ultimate goal of your shot posting anti Irish American rambling? Do you not see that your image of the subhuman Irish man is just as irrational as the image of the psychotic, self loathing, violent german?
Just to see how pissed off a Plastic Paddy can get when I make fun of Ireland
>Are you really this simple minded? I never stated the Irish were a 'superior' race. I do not believe in superior or inferior races. I see each race as possessing particular qualities which distinguish them from one another.
Okay if you don't believe in inferior races then why do believe races are different then? like for example White People have a higher IQ then Sub-Saharan Africans but according to you they are both equal (since there is no Superior or Inferior therefore they would have to be equal) which contradicts itself in other words your logic is bullshit and contradicts itself
>For instance, the German race produced an astonishing number of great classical composers bach, mozart, and beethoven. These people were 'special' in the sense that they were more then two standard deviations of IQ above you and me.
I agree but I never said there weren't special but you saying you can play the piano and play songs that people learn when they learn to play the piano as a after the Mary had a little lamb and chopsticks doesn't make YOU special.
>Notice how England contributed almost nothing to classical and baroque music. Actually England has never created it's own genre of music (outside drum and bass/dusted which is kind of stupid anyway) meanwhile the Irish produced much more musically. Music is actually one of the most intellectual activities a person can engage in.
I thought you said a race can't be inferior yet apparently Britain has inferior music (Your opinion on British music doesn't make it not music) and "Le Music Playing = I am Smarter" please this is only said by Fedoras who play basic songs on instrument and talk about how smarter they are.
>>76213929
>implying if I don't think one is superior and the other is inferior than I believe they are equal
Black people tend to run faster then whites. Whites tend to be more intelligent and dominate strongman competitions. Each race has its strengths and weaknesses that doesn't mean they are equal.
>>76213929
No a Bach fugue takes an amount of focus and intelligent to play that a Beatles song lacks. Thus, we can concede that German classical music has a greater depth of complexity when contrasted with British music. However, this does not mean British music is inferior only that it is simpler on average then German classical music. Complexity=/=superiority
simplicity=/=inferiority
>>76213123
>Just a few posts ago you were bit ching about Irish Americans in Boston and how they are white trash now you claim they don't exist. Be logically consistent
Nice Strawman I was saying how Plastic Paddies aren't Irish in the sense of being part of the culture fully in Ireland and not that the Irish don't exist
>Yeah I realize that my nationality is american, but my ancestry is solely Irish. My nationality is American my race is Irish. That doesn't mean I go around river dancing and talking with a brogue. It means if someone asks what my racial heritage is I say Irish because that's the country my grandparents came from. How is this hard to understand?
Nah man Plastic Paddies like you are cancer as in you act like your nationality is Irish hence how you told me about how "Ireland made music and shit and dem british honkeys ain't got no musics at all compared to us" also as a final note your grand parents came from Ireland but you didn't therefore why are you so heavily embracing Irish culture as yours when it came from a land you weren't born in?
>>76215045
I don't act like my nationality is Irish though. I just acknowledge that I am RACIALLY irish. How many times have I said this to you? Yes I have a respect for my forebears and nothing is wrong with that.
>>76214340
That is bullshit "Everyone is a winner" arguement and that is a load of garbage because the Winner/Conquerer is more superior to the Loser/Conquered whether you like it or not.
>>76214767
Nice Cherry Picking by picking a 20th Century Rock Band to world renowned classical music composers and that is like me comparing Metallica to Tchaikovsky saying how american music is shit compared to Slavic Music.
>>76215045
You are creating a strawman by charecterizing my argument as "dem British honkeys"
It's really just an observation that Britain never really created any genre of music on its own. Even metal is contestable.
>>76215303
Okay I know you are racially Celtic but like I said here>>76211854 of you talking about how germanics are violent serial killers and Ireland is peaceful
>>76215521
Not really because you are literally acting like a nigger by saying how Ireland invented a shit ton of music and Britian didn't invent anything which is an argument made by blacks how all american music was made by them and whitey didn't invent shit.
>>76215457
No its a false dichotomy. That's like saying "my ice melted therefore liquid is superior to solids"
So Germany is inferior because they are being conquered by Muslim arabs? Therefore arabs are superior? Therefore scotland is superior to Germany because it's still over 90% white? Your thinking is really simplistic. Things aren't so black and white.
>>76216055
No whitey invented bluegrass courtesy of the Scots and irish.
>>76216254
>So Germany is inferior because they are being conquered by Muslim arabs? Therefore arabs are superior? Therefore scotland is superior to Germany because it's still over 90% white? Your thinking is really simplistic. Things aren't so black and white.
Yes because the Germans have become weak and therefore inferior and the Arabs are the Superior ones and Scotland is superior due to the fact that they aren't as weak m8. It is pretty easy to understand.
>>76216055
I simply pointed out that racially Irish people tend to not kill people and eat their flesh after having gay sex with them. You have to admit Germans can be sadistic and violent. Much more so then the irish. That's why the Germans are so good at conquering. You can tell they have this collected and yet oddly aggressive way about them.
>>76216345
Yeah but your claims on how the Irish have better music then the British because "Drums and Flutes and shit are stupid" is about the same as niggers claiming whitey has no music and they are superior in music because of example
>>76216856
Again picking out one person and saying that is Germanics is cherry picking and the reason why Germany and Britain are more aggressive is due to Population numbers
>>76216730
I don't agree to your conception of inferiority/superiority it seems cartoonishly simple to me. I think it's incredibly subjective. Let's just agree to disagree.
>>76217035
I am not entirely convinced by your population argument because the dynamics of German serial killers in Germany is quite high. This coupled with the fact of an astonishing number of serial killers in the USA having German last names. I have yet to see one with an Irish last name. Also it's a fact there are more white serial killers by proportion to the population in the usa. Look at the numbers by country and you will see similar things. Serial killers are aryan as fuck m8
>>76204344
Fuck Ireland.
>>76216889
To Bo fair, some black people do make very good music. I would say they are a very musical people, much more than say the chinese. Would you not agree?
Idiotic post. The history of Irish republicanism is with the French revolution and enlightenment philosophy.
Connolly brought marxism into an alliance with Republicanism in 1916 but it came to nothing because Ireland outside Dublin and Belfast is (or was) an argrarian religious country, no opportunity for class politics to take hold.
Hence why Ireland's elections in the south are basically "Which of the two sides of the same coin will the culchies choose?" and in the north its culchies voting on established religious lines.
>>76217770
Fuck England.
