Hello anons, dat Russian here once again.
I have a question for those of you, who do not reside in Western countries.
Did your perception of West change given current habbenings? Have you ever considered moving to Germany/France/The USA/etc. and did you suddenly change your mind and opinion about conditions in these countries?
And also, have you seen a global change of mind in your local society?
I am asking this, because here, in Russia, Western democracies were considered good social models worth emigrating to just mere 5 years ago. But right now it feels like people started to shift their opinion because of all this SJW shit getting exposed and more and more people no longer consider Western countries a viable emigration platform.
Have you noticed the same or not? Tell me what you observed and what you think.
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>>76189320
I don't endorse SJWs and black porn with white women nor have a cuckold fetish/rapefugees/transgenders imposed by the government on a daily basis, so I do not know.
Nothing much changed. The refugees are rotting away in their shelters, still waiting for their free BMW, free house, and 14-year-old blonde child bride that Merkel promised. We've had arabstink immigrants before, hated them before. If one thing has changed, they are now more accused of dragging society down to their level, but they don't care. Society will have to deteriorate further before people finally admit that the problem is of a biological, not a cultural nature.
My perception hasn't really changed, but our school canceled all trips to foreign countries, probably because of the "refugees". I thought about visiting Germany, since I think it's an amazing country with rich history, but I do not want to end up in some mudslime shithole, so I would rather wait until Germany deports them all.
>>76189266
>falling victim to the media
the US really isn't that bad. you have the right to protest, and honestly, the whole sjw thing is kind of fizzling out, given how insane theyre starting to become.
the US youre talking about, the 5 years ago one that people apparently thought was a good move, is the whole reason we currently have an sjw issue to begin with.
but hey, at least its cutting down on immigration to our nations.
here, people are very interested in visiting the eastern nations, so...I fear for the state of the east in 5 years time.
>>76189266
>Did your perception of West change given current habbenings?
Yes, completely.
Have you ever considered moving to Germany/France/The USA/etc. and did you suddenly change your mind and opinion about conditions in these countries?
Yeah I was always thinking I will work in the West at least for few years in my career but not anymore. Now I will either always work around Eastern Europe or try China one day.
>And also, have you seen a global change of mind in your local society?
Yeah, the bubble of ilusion about the Wst is slowly bursting and more people see the truth about moral degradation, and noone wants that here. Also I'm not sure but I think actually more people started going to the church. Despite being non-religious I would start going too to rise my children right.
Can I come to Great Mother Russia an stay there? The West is going to shit
>>76191853
I don't watch mainstream media.
I am not a big fan of Putin either and I have been to various Western countries numerous times.
Still, if I had to choose between Western society and Putin-style semi-oligarchy, I'd choose the latter.
No bias and no offense intended. I think that many Westerners are very great people.
It is a matter of personal preference, and in no way am I implying that Putin is a good guy, still better than that I've seen visiting Great Britain.
>>76189266
There is a shift to the right in western politics. In northern nations there is a move to the right, and in the south there is a move to the left. Different histories account for this. You can see it from greece to the uk. The things that are making western society more reactionary are primarily economic with no real recovery having occurred since the crash in 2008. The political outcome of a middle class with shrinking economic security and wealth, is consistently a society that moves to the right. When conditions continue to worsen you see a shift back to the left. Across europe, parties and coalitions, that for years have exchanged the helm between them, find their share of the electorate in decline. I think on the whole that western society is still a reasonably good place to go. The reluctance of Russians to emigrate to europe I suspect is partly to do with some increased tensions at an international level and the question of how this might translate to personal interactions.
once you could look up to the west.
now you have to do exactly the opposite of what the west does.
>>76194355
>the things that are making western society more reactionary are primarily economic with no real recovery having occurred since the crash in 2008.
There are no mainstream parties that hold reactionary views in the West. You'd be hard pressed to find a popular party that calls for the repatriation of all immigrants and the rolling back of all social 'progress' to previous levels in say the 1950's.
Any party that 'opposes' the degredation of current Western Society does not propose a complete reversal, but a general halting of civilisational decline.
This, naturally, has the problem that once these parties leave Government 'progress' will continue.
>>76194332
The uk is an interesting place, it is both a shithole an an amazing place. But say, on an architectural or a prettyness scale, despite its massive wealth, it's still a dump by comparison to most euro cities. I've seen the streets in st petersburg for instance. Its on a scale that would make most anglos agoraphobic. And its extremely pretty.
What aspects of putin-style semi-oilgarchy do you appreciate most? Give some examples of how this style has prevented problems you see in western countries.
>>76194974
I agree with you. But I did not say:
a) that the ruling parties were reactionary, I said more reactionary. A good example would be golden dawn in greece before the current government came to pawer.
b) calling for the repatriation of refugees, is a difficult message, but on some level, states like germany have used the current syrian refugee crisis to target balkan nationals and send them back home, thereby using the current crop of refugees as an excuse to ensure that there is no long term association to germany. I think that the 'progress' will not stop. Its far better to attempt to manage it, for that is the only safe and sustainable thing to do. It becomes one of the only ways by which you can humanely lower and pick out only the best migrants.
>>76195740
I did not say ruling party though, I said mainstream party, in other words one that is not classed as a lunatic fringe party and gets over 10% of the vote.
I will concede that Golden Dawn fits this criteria (to an extent), but GD is one case where a crushing economic recession has impoverished tens of thousands of people.
This kind of actual Fascist party would never have this level of popularity in a Western country.
To your second point, the repatriation of refugees is one part, no serious party in Europe advocates the repatriation of all first gen immigrants.
> I think that the 'progress' will not stop. Its far better to attempt to manage it, for that is the only safe and sustainable thing to do.
This is a dangerous notion to have because it is playing with fire. A detailed look at the history of important civilisations before us shows, quite clearly, that Progress, Tolerance and Apathy are the core aspects of a dying society.
That is what Progress is, the inevitable suicide of a nation, and the only reasonable thing to do is to completely put it on halt, and to begin reversing the changes that have taken place.
An interesting subject to read is the Fate of Empires by John Glubb. It's a short, interesting read, and manages to cover the stages of a civilisation in some detail. Using this as a guide it's easy to see where Western society is in the grand-scale of things.
http://people.uncw.edu/kozloffm/glubb.pdf
