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Sunday, June 5, 2016
Liturgical Year C, Cycle II
Today's Mass
Tenth Sunday in Ordinary Time
Readings for Mass
First Reading: First Kings 17:17-24
Responsorial Psalm: Psalms 30:2, 4, 5-6, 11, 12, 13
Second Reading: Galatians 1:11-19
Gospel: Luke 7:11-17
Today's Rosary: The Glorious Mysteries
Good Scenes to watch
>Jesus Anime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d-uB0vaoQo
>Jesus of Nazareth Sermon on the Mount:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDCbJ4vnMNg
>Jesus chases Jews out of the Temple
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEtBs6j7QgU
>Jesus gives sight to the Blind....and takes sight from those who can see
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY7vamVg99E
>Roman Centurion has more faith than anyone in Israel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNLSBjYDPko
>Ben Hur scenes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVlf7OiiTJE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbt2UUthWg0
>protties
>Not seeking direct conection to God
Gnostic master race reporting in
>>76188147
>>76188140
Yes, but when I see a church with tits on top, I just get all "nope" inside, because of Muslims.
I like my churches Gothic.
>>76188217
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rh_nqtp3VrU
>cathies
How was your service/mass today?
Also, which denominations do we have here today?
is it true american christians think armageddon is going to happen soon?
is this only an american thing or is it like muslim taqiyya where you just dont mention it to not sound nuts?
>>76188121
God bless all of you m8s
>inb4 protestant says churches are heretical
post churches from your area/region
>>76188505
Anglican checking in.
>>76188512
>is this only an american thing
I want you to think about the implications of your upcoming Brexit.
If you do not succeed in leaving the EU, you will soon be flooded with refugees.
Germany has overtaken authority over the military of the Netherlands and will soon try to do the same with the Czechs.
Their ultimate goal of the EU legislative is to create an EU Army.
Many Christians have been very warey of Globalist Agendas because the scriptures give a prophecy, and that prophecy states that there will eventually be a time when Globalists are succeeding and that they will unite the world under a singular government, economy and religious institution, this will give rise to the Anti-Christ.
So that is why you see more Christians shouting about Armageddon these days.
>>76188930
interior
>>76187517
Why are Christians so ignorant of other religions?
>>76187824
>Hell is a terrible place and there is no way out.
There is a way out. Reincarnation.
>>76187904
There are good Christians and there are bad Christians, like any other religion.
>>76187958
Your contempt towards other religions is too much.
>>76188032
>Do you know who Abraham was?
No.
inb4 somebody blasphemes the holy virgin
>>76188838
And they're obsessed with the "mark of the beast" which many believe to be the identification system that the world government implements.
Just gonna repost this here from previous thread:
Whenever you see A in front of you, you can never be sure that is indeed A in front of you. Even if you feel you might interact with it in any way. I know what I said does not guarantee anything. I just provided an attempt of justification for my assumption because not doing it is just defeatist and counterproductive. Again, I know what I'm saying here and I know it does not guarantee knowledge.
My last point is that at no point is not assuming the belief in God counterproductive. One can lead a perfectly normal life not believing in God.
>>76189069
Why do you not poo in the loo?
>>76188512
They are afraid of dying, and rather want to ascend to heaven during Rapture.
>>76188121
Just a question, are the legends of Faust and other tales similar to his canonical to the bible, or are they merely old folk tales used to scare children?
>>76189069
>Your contempt towards other religions is too much.
Thank you for your encouragement. That is high praise indeed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImGMU63fRXo
>>76188585
>>76188682
/comfy/
Would love to attend after working in the field.
>>76188879
>>76188930
>>76188989
These are beautiful.
>>76189103
i never heard any pastor say works matter
where is this meme from?
>>76189162
>One can lead a perfectly normal life not believing in God.
I don't think anyone is going to refute that. It just seems like you're trying to justify lingering guilt for your rejection of God.
>>76188512
I think it's an evangelical thing. America has lots of them.
How did you anons find God? What situation/point in your life did you realize you needed Him?
>>76188121
>>76189292
OP can you answer my question?
>>76189596
wooden churches are bretty good
>>76189162
>One can lead a perfectly normal life not believing in God.
Yes. But what about afterlife?
>>76189189
Pic related.
>>76189799
Inside.
>>76189763
isn't faust a metaphor for usurious contracts?
>>76189795
>2 tiny windows
No.
>>76188121
Does anyone knows what is the fate of agnostics ? Do they go to hell ?
>>76189292
I don't actually know much about the legends of Faust.
Can give a tldr?
Cheers mate
>>76188905
>>76189162
>Whenever you see A in front of you, you can never be sure that is indeed A in front of you.
True, Psychologically. But whether or not you are "sure" of something doesn't make that something any more or less real
>Even if you feel you might interact with it in any way. I know what I said does not guarantee anything.
And how would you know that?
>I just provided an attempt of justification for my assumption because not doing it is just defeatist and counterproductive.
You'll never be able to justify everything. You'll be running intro infinite regressions, circular reasoning, self-refuting dogma, or faith/axioms
>My last point is that at no point is not assuming the belief in God counterproductive. One can lead a perfectly normal life not believing in God.
How? How do you avoid relativism for one? Not to mention nihilism
>>76189653
Trying to justify lack of belief on some inadequacy people might have is really not the way to go if you want to be heard.
I do not feel guilt.
>>76189973
Only God can judge them.
I won't proclaim the fate of anyone. But I will say that we should seek God with all of our hearts and accept Christ.
>>76188121
>Whore of Babylon general
ftfy
>>76189292
>Faust is the protagonist of a classic German legend. He is a scholar who is highly successful yet dissatisfied with his life, which leads him to make a pact with the Devil, exchanging his soul for unlimited knowledge and worldly pleasures.
It draws on >many< Biblical messages about avoiding the worship of materialism and focusing on this life.
1 John 2:15-17
>Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride in possessions—is not from the Father but is from the world. And the world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever.
>>76189906
i looks cool inside
>>76189989
Guy sells his soul to the devil for power, in some variations of the tales he's saved by the Virgin Mary and in others he's damned to hell.
There's also an orthodox version with a priest called Theopilus in which he does the same in exchange for becoming an archbishop in the end the Virgin Mary saves him.
Just wanted to know if the concept of selling your souls even exists in the bible.
>>76190087
citation needed
>>76189990
>Again, I know what I'm saying here and I know it does not guarantee knowledge.
Forgot to ask. How do you know this as well?
>>76190092
Ohhh I see, so it's impossible to even sell your soul and it's a morality tale. Alright thanks
Does anyone think Christianity is compatible with Buddhism or Confusist teachings?
>>76190199
>>76189162
And... linked
>>76190062
you're a traitor to your nation, non believer
the day of the rope will come
>>76190290
I honestly doubt it, it's like comparing apples to oranges. While their concepts of pacifism are a little bit similar everything else is different.
>>76188505
High Church Anglican. Pic is mu church.
>>76190139
That was pretty much the Temptation of Jesus during when he wandered the desert.
>>76190214
>it's a morality tale
Partly, yeah.
> impossible to even sell your soul
I think that's done by turning away from God or worshiping Satan.
>>76190119
>MMXVI
>not going to an underground church
>Multiracial Churches in Decline
http://newobserveronline.com/multiracial-churches-decline/
Thoughts?
>>76190492
So pretty much worship God and accept Jesus as your lord and savior. Thank you very much for clearing that up, you just made my day better
>>76190610
not hard to imagine. religion is an ethnicity and church is supposed to be a community thing.
>>76190634
No problem, bud.
God bless you. :)
>>76189990
>Even if you feel you might interact with it in any way. I know what I said does not guarantee anything.
>And how would you know that?
If you want to strip down all assumptions, I can only know I exist and that I seem able to think (to mix up concepts). Where do these concepts come from, where do my perceptions come from, whether any of these sources is reliable or not is something I cannot answer without assumptions.
>How? How do you avoid relativism for one? Not to mention nihilism
Humans have an "intuitive" morality. I do care a lot about my family or friends, for instance. To be relativist or a nihilist (and actually apply these beliefs) you have to supplant this tendency. I see that morality (as any preference) is more grounded on emotions (Even if I know killing is wrong, only an aversion towards killing will prevent me from doing that: that is an emotion) and social stability than anything else.
>>76190378
I am trying to be constructive here. You, instead, seem to be filled with hate when I have done nothing to you.
>>76190445
is this southern england?
>>76190877
you are spreading satan's words. leave now
>>76188121
I'm trying to turn away from the vice of masturbation. Ive stopped for 2 days now but it's getting hard (pun not intended) to not be tempted into starting up again.
What can I do in order to not fall into that vice again?
>>76190737
>Where do these concepts come from, where do my perceptions come from, whether any of these sources is reliable or not is something I cannot answer without assumptions.
You wouldn't even be able to assert this without assumptions
The question is: how axiomatically do you treat you assumptions?
That is, how much do you believe in them?
>Humans have an "intuitive" morality. I do care a lot about my family or friends, for instance. To be relativist or a nihilist (and actually apply these beliefs) you have to supplant this tendency. I see that morality (as any preference) is more grounded on emotions (Even if I know killing is wrong, only an aversion towards killing will prevent me from doing that: that is an emotion) and social stability than anything else.
You know as well as I do that it gets a lot more muddy than that
Once you stop believing that killing is inherently wrong, under all circumstances, all I have to do is (mis-)understand that you are threatening me and my family. And if I kill you in a society that agrees with me, I should be getting no punishment for what I've done
And this is just one small example
>>76190737
>>76190199
>>76189990
>On the justification for knowledge
Ultimately, since our thinking is so intertwined with language and language can only be acquired through socialization (see feral children), it's possible that I wouldn't be even able to realize that I existed were I not taken care by someone when I was younger. The quest to justify the assumptions of science really is a dead-end, in my view. That's why people still use assumptions.
>>76191236
>your* assumptions
>>76190139
>Guy sells his soul to the devil for power, in some variations of the tales he's saved by the Virgin Mary and in others he's damned to hell.
So what are you asking.
Whether or not that's possible?
Because some people do make pacts with the Devil. That's not make believe.
>>76191132
prayer and cold showers
>>76191132
What this guy said. The only reason why I masturbate is so I don't get a boner on my way to work(the bumpy ride makes my dick hard).
>>76191270
The assumptions that you don't want to justify are your axioms
Take a note of them. They are your faith and the absolute basis of your thinking
But they are not absolute in any sense. Unless by definition
>>76191584
Exactly. Religious people seem to have one claiming "God does exist". And if they are axioms, nobody on either side can justify anything, so any discussion becomes futile. The same would apply to any other kind of axiom someone might hold.
This is the conclusion I get from what you are saying. I actually do not like it, as it would show misunderstandings could never be resolved throw reason alone.
>>76190890
Northern England.
Rural Country Durham.
>>76191031
How come? And, I'm going to be honest, that stance of shunning all those who might disagree with you seems very unchristian.
>>76188217
>Catholics filled with poison and hatred for believers in Jesus Christ
I'm not even surprised anymore. Just sad.
>>76188334
Ah okay. Well I understand. They aren't attractive to me either.
>>76188505
Fundi Baptist.
>>76188505
Mass starts in an hour for me
Catholic
>>76189069
Hebrews 9:27-28
27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
No such nonsense as reincarnation. We live once and we die once.
>>76189675
I looked into if the Flood was a real event. I became so thoroughly convinced it was a real event that I shook in terror that I was going to hell and realized I was a sinner. Then I heard about Jesus Christ.
>>76192163
Nice
>>76189795
Comfy.
>>76189906
Guady and distracting.
>>76192644
>>76192544
>>76192406
>bible belt retardation
>>76192702
So you believe in reincarnation and call me retarded?
>>76192840
no I'm just being edgy about le flegs :^)
>>76192053
>And if they are axioms, nobody on either side can justify anything, so any discussion becomes futile
Not really. I believe in my axioms (God is just my prime assumption, which justifies all others - for example, the assumption that reason, as a matter of fact, reveals information about an existing world); More or less as much as my faith permits
But actually, the more I have faith, the more the discussion matters
Because personally I'm not interested as much in discovering an absolute epistemology (an amoral knowledge-based system) as much as I'm interested in applying the morality in which I believe in to you and to any other unbelieving person that I can
>This is the conclusion I get from what you are saying. I actually do not like it, as it would show misunderstandings could never be resolved throw reason alone.
Reason needs absoluteness for it to have firm standing. A being such as God provides this justification for me
I believe there is such a thing as an absolute perfect reason, emanating from God Himself. Its perfect rules, and its likewise axioms which we may know through prayer and communion with His being
But if even your reason doesn't have firm grounding, you're bound to reach literal insanity
That's if you're smart and obsessively against faith
>>76192898
>1488
I should've known.
>>76188505
about to leave for morning service. Baptist here.
>>76188121
Bump
>>76193077
>>76192053
>That's if you're smart and obsessively against faith
A highly-risk group being a minority of New Atheists
>>76193077
Ok, I find that reasonable. I don't understand however how you move from Pantheism, which is the bare minimum that includes everything you mentioned. To move from what you said to Christianity or to the Christian God is still quite a step. I'd even say I could imagine other religions saying exactly the same thing.
>>76190080
Thanks for your evidence for 'god'
>>76194275
That anon wasn't asking for evidence.
What's your beef?
>>76194275
He didn't ask for evidence, lad.
Reminder that it is only by the will of God that these threads continue so that people can be given the chance to come to the Lord, even as they realize that the world around them is fallen to globalists, and haters of humanity. Who seek to bring degeneracy to all of civilization.
>>76194002
>Ok, I find that reasonable
I couldn't call what I just said that, for risk of being circular
>I don't understand however how you move from Pantheism, which is the bare minimum that includes everything you mentioned. To move from what you said to Christianity or to the Christian God is still quite a step. I'd even say I could imagine other religions saying exactly the same thing.
Everything that concerns theism is personal. As the God is personal with theism and only theism
The more it matches the innate goodness and humanity within the person, the more they get closer to the true morality and its true religion
I myself purely resonate with Christianity. It makes my heart beat differently when I think not of God necessarily, but of the teaching of the Gospel
Something in my soul I would say is stirred when I hear those words and listen to them being spoken
I believe it resonates with that pure and innate goodness within us all. But you'd only be able to get there through a personal experience. As is all theism
Hey guys, I'm an Orthodox Jew! What do you think about me? What do you think about the jews?
>>76195459
I think that's weak b8.
>>76195459
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersessionism
>>76195548
I'm serious, whats wrong with being an (Orthodox) Jew?
>>76195638
Well let's assume you're telling the truth.
What are your thoughts on this?
>Micah 5:2
"But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times."
>>76195638
>Othodox Jews take the talmud seriously
>>76195849
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersessionism
I think that every religion is a work of fiction but I enjoy the culture and nature of mine. I like that we believe that a man of virtue will have a place in the world to come, regardless if he is a Jew or not. I also enjoy the rich traditions of the religion, more than those of Christianity.
As for Micah 5:2, I have no comment, I respect people of all religions, especially those who observe their texts, it takes a lot of willpower to do so.
I think it would be smart for Christians and Jews to unite, as Orthodox Jews hold the same political views as most proper sects of Christianity, while the Muslims threaten us both.
Remember! The social justice warriors hate us just as much as you, if not more. They only like the Jews who do not observe the Torah, the secular "Jews" by name alone.
>>76196303
>As for Micah 5:2, I have no comment, I respect people of all religions, especially those who observe their texts, it takes a lot of willpower to do so.
I'm talking about what Micah 5:2 is referencing.
It's talking about the Messiah.
>>76194993
and it's a glorious thing.
>>76196075
https://youtu.be/M60FUPVtq9k?t=25m44s
I view them as nonsense, a ton of the Talmud is garbage, and I condemn what they say as nonsense, written by bitter old fuckers with ulterior motives at heart. These quotes are absolute violations of the teachings of the Torah.
>>76196303
>I like that we believe that a man of virtue will have a place in the world to come, regardless if he is a Jew or not
An ethnically jewish Christian could get away with it
A religiously jewish/ secular jewish person would not. Not in my book
Repent or face the wrath not of SJW in this world. But of He who was once your peoples' God
Matthew 8:12
>>76195180
Thanks. I have friends of mine thinking of religion in similar ways you do. I'll read more on this (what do you recommend by the way?)
>>76194275
I didn't ask for evidence, i just asked what would happen to me.
>>76196377
Right, I suppose you are looking for the traditional Jewish answer to the question. It is believed that the Messiah will indeed come from there, but that Jesus Christ was not the Messiah.
Have a blessed week, brethren.
>>76194002
I have to go for a bit my friend. My computer is about to forcibly restart
May God keep your heart safe
>>76196752
And this is where we disagree, the vile, repulsive vitriol which turns people away.
>>76196803
>>76196994
Almost anything by CS Lewis. Take care
>>76196926
Do you accept that according to the Book of Micah, that the Messiah will be born in Bethe ham?
>>76197086
Me personally? Sure.
>>76197058
Gotta follow God my m8. His Kingdom is not of this world. I'm not gonna make compromises here and risk my standing in the other
>>76197218
Who is to say either of us are right? There are certainly more Muslims than Christians, and many more of both than the Jews, how do we know who is correct?
>>76197217
Cool.
Next up.
What do you think this scripture is talking about?
>Isaiah 53:3-7
He was despised and rejected by men
a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief
and as one from whom men hide their faces
he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
Surely he has borne our griefs
and carried our sorrows;
yet we esteemed him stricken,
yet we esteemed him smitten by God, and afflicted.
But he was pierced for our transgressions;
he was crushed for our iniquities;
upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace,
pand with his wounds we are healed.
All we like sheep have gone astray;
we have turned—every one—to his own way;
rand the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.
He was oppressed, and he was afflicted,
syet he opened not his mouth;
tlike a ulamb that is led to the slaughter,
and like a sheep that before its shearers is silent,
so he opened not his mouth.
>>76189834
>what about afterlife?
not up to me
>>76188505
Episcopalian. The church left me as it became a progressive shithole that openly blasphemes and carries heretical attitudes to the highest levels. And the nearby Episcopal church is full on cucks.
Going to check with the local Greek Orthodox church to see how it is, even if I my entire family line is pretty the British Ilse.
>>76192644
What is the best evidence for you that the flood happend ?
Saw this earlier. If this church was by my house I'd go every day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7WMuf9xaoA
>>76197958
There is a very strange level of similarity when it comes to Flood Myths around the world.
Africa
Southwest Tanzania
Once upon a time the rivers began to flood. The god told two people to get into a ship. He told them to take lots of seed and to take lots of animals. The water of the flood eventually covered the mountains. Finally the flood stopped. Then one of the men, wanting to know if the water had dried up let a dove loose. The dove returned. Later he let loose a hawk which did not return. Then the men left the boat and took the animals and the seeds with them.
Asia
China
The Chinese classic called the Hihking tells about "the family of Fuhi," that was saved from a great flood. This ancient story tells that the entire land was flooded; the mountains and everything, however one family survived in a boat. The Chinese consider this man the father of their civilization. This record indicates that Fuhi, his wife, three sons, and three daughters were the only people that escaped the great flood. It is claimed, that he and his family were the only people alive on earth, and repopulated the world.
(cont)
>>76197493
Aha, this scripture is used often to describe the coming and suffering of Christ, correct?
>>76198228
Babylon
Gilgamesh met an old man named Utnapishtim, who told him the following story. The gods came to Utnapishtim to warn him about a terrible flood that was coming. They instructed Utnapishtim to destroy his house and build a large ship. The ship was to be 10 dozen cubits high, wide and long. Utnapishtim was to cover the ship with pitch. He was supposed to take male and female animals of all kinds, his wife and family, provisions, etc. into the ship. Once ship was completed the rain began falling intensely. The rain fell for six days and nights. Finally things calmed and the ship settled on the top of Mount Nisir. After the ship had rested for seven days Utnapishtim let loose a dove. Since the land had not dried the dove returned. Next he sent a swallow which also returned. Later he let loose a raven which never returned since the ground had dried. Utnapishtim then left the ship.
Chaldean
There was a man by the name of Xisuthrus. The god Chronos warned Xisuthrus of a coming flood and told him to build a boat. The boat was to be 5 stadia by 2 stadia. In this boat Xisuthrus was to put his family, friends and two of each animal (male and female). The flood came. When the waters started to recede he let some birds loose. They came back and he noticed they had mud on their feet. He tried again with the same results. When he tried the third time the birds did not return. Assuming the water had dried up the people got out of the boat and offered sacrifices to the gods.
>>76198231
India
A long time ago lived a man named Manu. Manu, while washing himself, saved a small fish from the jaws of a large fish. The fish told Manu, "If you care for me until I am full grown I will save you from terrible things to come". Manu asked what kind of terrible things. The fish told Manu that a great flood would soon come and destroy everything on the earth. The fish told Manu to put him in a clay jar for protection. The fish grew and each time he outgrew the clay jar Manu gave him a larger one. Finally the fish became a ghasha, one of the largest fish in the world. The fish instructed Manu to build a large ship since the flood was going to happen very soon. As the rains started Manu tied a rope from the ship to the ghasha. The fish guided the ship as the waters rose. The whole earth was covered by water. When the waters began subsiding the ghasha led Manu's ship to a mountaintop.
Australia
There is a legend of a flood called the Dreamtime flood. Riding on this flood was the woramba, or the Ark Gumana. In this ark was Noah, Aborigines, and various animals. This ark eventually came to rest in the plain of Djilinbadu where it can still be found. They claim that the white mans story about the ark landing in the middle east is a lie that was started to keep the aborigines in subservience. This legend is undoubtedly the product of aboriginal legends merging with those of visiting missionaries, and there does not appear to be any native flood stories from Australia.
>>76198372
Europe
Greece
A long time ago, perhaps before the golden age was over, humans became proud. This bothered Zeus as they kept getting worse. Finally Zeus decided that he would destroy all humans. Before he did this Prometheus, the creator of humans, warned his human son Deucalion and his wife Pyrrha. Prometheus then placed this couple in a large wooden chest. The rains started and lasted nine days and nights until the whole world was flooded. The only thing that was not flooded was the peaks of Mount Parnassus and Mount Olympus. Mount Olympus is the home of the gods. The wooden chest came to rest on Mount Parnassus. Deucalion and his wife Pyrrha got out and saw that everything was flooded. They lived on provisions from the chest until the waters subsided. At Zeus' instruction they re-populated the earth.
North America
Mexico
The Toltec natives have a legend telling that the original creation lasted for 1716 years, and was destroyed by a flood and only one family survived.
Aztec- A man named Tapi lived a long time ago. Tapi was a very pious man. The creator told Tapi to build a boat that he would live in. He was told that he should take his wife, a pair of every animal that was alive into this boat. Naturally everyone thought he was crazy. Then the rain started and the flood came. The men and animals tried to climb the mountains but the mountains became flooded as well. Finally the rain ended. Tapi decided that the water had dried up when he let a dove loose that did not return.
>>76198231
Sorry, meant to reply with this.
>Zechariah 12:10
And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and pleas for mercy, so that, awhen they look on me, on him whom they have pierced, bthey shall mourn for him, cas one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly over him, as one weeps over a firstborn.
>>76198228
agree it would make sense with the tower of babel also. The people got scattered and the story of noah went with them
>>76188838
Wouldn't the Black Death have been a better omen?
Maybe WW2?
>>76198613
What kind of discussion do you hope to create here? You know many Jews and Christians have had this exchange before, it ends with me copying and pasting stuff claiming that Jesus did not fulfill messianic prophesies, is that what you'd like me to do?
The point I'm trying to make is that I don't really care what you believe and I respect you for being a good, observant christian, as it takes a lot of hard work.
>>76198231
The Jews rejected their own Messiah.
Even you must know that the reason the Jews wander the earth and are cursed to be rejected is because they broke their covenant with God.
That's why you lost the Ark of the Covenant.
That's why Israel was scattered by the Babylonians.
Accept it.
They killed their own God. But He will repay.
>>76196803
>>76196994
>>76197073
Specifically pic related. I follow mostly the same thinking
>>76199385
>>76199298
And here we go, any sort of interesting discussion thrown away by hatred you'd expect on /r/islam or something.
Isnt it interesting that your religion damns me to hell, and mine says if you are a good, virtuous man, you shall have a place in the world to come?
>>76199237
Read Deuteronomy 22 to understand why your fate is what it is.
You will be cursed in the city and cursed in the country
You will be cursed when you come in and cursed when you go out.
The Lord will cause you to be defeated before your enemies. You will come at them from one direction but flee from them in seven, and you will become a thing of horror to all the kingdoms on earth.
The foreigners who reside among you will rise above you higher and higher, but you will sink lower and lower.
Then the Lord will scatter you among all nations, from one end of the earth to the other. There you will worship other gods—gods of wood and stone, which neither you nor your ancestors have known. Among those nations you will find no repose, no resting place for the sole of your foot. There the Lord will give you an anxious mind, eyes weary with longing, and a despairing heart. You will live in constant suspense, filled with dread both night and day, never sure of your life. In the morning you will say, “If only it were evening!” and in the evening, “If only it were morning!”—because of the terror that will fill your hearts and the sights that your eyes will see. The Lord will send you back in ships to Egypt on a journey I said you should never make again. There you will offer yourselves for sale to your enemies as male and female slaves, but no one will buy you.
>>76199594
>>76196803
>>76196994
>>76197073
Forgot pic
>>76199594
>>76196803
>>76196994
>>76197073
>>76199699
Same person by the way. Sorry about all the ID changing
>>76199674
>your religion damns me to hell
No. I haven't condemned you, I didn't create you, and you don't need my grace, I don't hate you, and I won't kill you.
God loves you, and wants you to repent.
>>76199674
I never damned you.
I said that the Jews were destroyed by Babylon because they were wicked.
You lost the Ark of the Covenant.
GOD. CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE. He resided with you and you gave it all up.
This is to the everlasting shame of your people.
>>76188121
>"Turn the other cheek"
>"those who live by the sword die by the sword"
How do Christians on /pol/ consolidate their violent solutions to their problem with Muslims, Jews, etc with Jesus's pacifist, tolerating and accepting teachings?
>>76199674
You are a people who were rejected by God for your stubborn and wicked behavior.
You rejected God when he was with you.
You chose a King when you could have been ruled by God.
You chose to worship idols when you had the Ark of the Tabernacle with you.
God has scattered the Jews because you FAILED him.
What a SHOCK that you reject the Messiah as well.
>>76199993
What do you say to the Muslims that say the same thing about you?
>>76200063
Revelation 13:10
He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints
We basically just preach to Muslims. They either listen and get saved, or kill us and go to hell.
We aren't at war with them, they need God just like everyone else does.
>>76200160
What do you think about Mohammad? Is he a prophet of God?
>>76188121
>>76200178
Nice rebuttal.
>>76200063
I forgot
Galatians - "there is neither jew nor greek, slave nor freeman, man or woman, for all our one in Christ"
...basically saying race is unimportant as we are all God's children together. It begs the question of how Christians on this board can be white supremacists
>What do you say to the Muslims that say the same thing about you?
>>76200063
do you think that if someone was going to rape jesus he was going to give the other cheek also ?
jesus time is when he is at peace and preaches the gospel, there is nothing in the new testament what you should do in war time, because it was not about that
>>76200268
Are you short on arguments at this point?
Jews are not the allies of Christians.
You are the ones who rejected God.
You are the ones CURSED to wander the earth.
You wonder why you are killed everywhere? Because God allows it.
>>76200063
Jesus may have instructed us in some parts to be pacifists, but He Himself is not a pacifist
He'll eventually, personally, be rubber-stamping people's tickets to Hell
As for the fight against Muslims and all enemies of Christ:
All we have to do is use minimum necessary force, and purely for defence from serious threats to the Christian community
A slap to the face, to your right cheek (with the back of someone's the right hand) is but a lesson never to take personal offence, for petty things
>>76194993
>Reminder that it is only by the will of God that these threads continue
>>76188121
Christianity is a slave religion. It venerates and reveres pacifism and sheep like behaviour.
I despise Islam more than I do Christianity but at least the former encourages people to fight for what they believe in.
Christians wouldn't have suffered hundreds of years of violent repression and torture if they had fought for their ideology and people like the Muslims did in the 6th century.
Shit, christians are still being repressed in Muslim countries because they refuse to stand up for themselves. I thought people on this board prided themselves on being strong minded but you're all just sheep following a shepherd you've never even fucking seen.
>>76200521
Oh dear, I'm not an ethnic Jew, people like you are why I abandoned Christianity.
>>76200521
don't bother with this spiritually autistic individual even his id is J00
>>76188505
Catholic
>>76200886
>>>/oven/
To the Jew in the thread. Those Jews who condemned God literally called for their blood to be on their own heads (not God's righteous blood which cleanses sin) *AND* their children's heads (yours). This means that they literally inherited a curse, and passed it on to you.
However, you can receive God's grace by accepting your messiah.
I don't know what it's like to be a Jew in your shoes, I have no frame of reference. However, I know that you basically teach your children that He is boiling in excrement and tell everyone not to study Christianity. That should at least make you suspicious. Then I guess you could look at the 'fruits' of your religion, or lack thereof. Are you a cultural Jew, i.e. riding the bandwagon of nepotism, or do you practice your religion?
Do you feel abandoned by God? When you read the Old Testament, do you think "Wow, God really doesn't speak to us any more?" or do you think more like "We truly have the best religion, just look how good things are for us?"
Do you hate white people? Do you have a burning asspain against Europeans for inheriting God's blessings and watching it prosper ever since we accepted Christ?
Do you not see the positive correlation between acceptance of Jesus Christ with prosperity and blessings? Or do you think that it's a coincidence and a huge conspiracy that we planned to oppress you and make a fake religion?
I don't hate you. I used to, before I was a Christian, and when I first learned about the synagogue of Satan. But, God loves you and wants you to repent, so that's why we preach to you.
How are you going to follow your mitzvot without a temple? How many bulls do you sacrifice these days? What happened to your religion? Didn't you ever wonder?
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew+1&version=KJV
jews lol satanic cult where they suck baby dicks when they do their satanic ritual
>>76200931
Spiritually autistic, really.. You'd think hate like
>>76200521
would be reserved for muslims, who will have your head for disgracing Mohammad. I'm trying to have a civil discussion and get shit on, oh well.
>>76200382
We mustn't live in the same country - Acts 17:26
But all regardless of ancestry and origin must come to believe in God. And are granted equality, never on this earth, but all in Him
>>76200886
>Abandoning a faith because of people
>Not because of theology
Your faith was never strong. You're all about what makes you feel good inside.
If I wanted a religion that made me feel good I would go be a buddhist.
>>76201037
Good argument
>>76200886
>I abandoned the true faith because my feelings were hurt even though *I* rejected God all on my own
Good lord.
Can one of you fools explain to me how current times are more of an omen of end times than the black plague or even world war 2?
>>76201095
>H-Hey goyim let's be allies hehe
>>76201095
How long have you been on /pol/?
>>76200867
>He knows nothing about the crusades or inquisition
No minors on /pol/
>>76200209
I believe I said Jesus's teachings, not his apostles. Revelations was written a long, long time after Jesus died and is full of extremely metaphorical language, i.e. the "seven headed dragon" is representing Rome (7 hills of rome)
How do you know they're gonna go to hell btw?
>>76201095
hate like what faggot
where do you think you are?
you don't belong in this board
get out
>>76201256
Doesn't matter whether you think we're approaching end times or not.
The question you should ask is. "Is a globalist agenda real, and if so, where do I stand?"
>>76201256
There not. I don't think so anyway
>>76189069
All other religions are idols and Blasphamous of the true God
>>76201256
>People were wrong about something many times before, therefore that something will never be true - the post
>>76200425
"Jesus was preaching in a peaceful time"
The Jews were NOT at peace with the Romans in the first century. There were many guerilla groups opposing them because the Jews aren't pacifists.
Why aren't you a pacifist? Why aren't you listening to your supreme being?
>>76201286
Again, racially I have no Jew in me. I was raised catholic.
>>76201232
What would you say to the Muslims who say the same to you for rejecting Mohammad? They kill you in the middle east all the time.
>>76201150
My faith was never strong, you are correct.
>>76197958
How many civs had a Flood legend
>>76201080
I'm glad I am not an Ashkenazi jew, then!
Should I go to mass today? It's a Latin mass. I haven't been to mass in a year due to being a degenerate.
>>76188505
7th day adventist reporting in
>>76197958
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sByKvDEfV3M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxMkMBXAVZ8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KND9AFfb-RI
Or you could read a book called Genesis Flood or God Has Spoken. There are more of course.
>>76201720
I went to mass today. It was pretty cool desu senpai.
>>76188505
Catholic reporting.
>>76201433
The epistles weren't written that long after the death of Jesus
>>76201433
Lord Jesus gave the revelation to John who was alone on an island.
How do I know they are going to hell? Well the bible says so. It's a story about God being rejected countless times and Him still being gracious enough to forgive you.
>>76201606
>I was raised catholic
So you were raised in an organized religion, and then became a Jew. Wow.
Have you found God in your dead religion?
>>76201879
>Have you found God in your dead religion?
He left Catholicism because he didn't like the people.
>>76201815
guess I'll shower up, head on over and stop being a degenerate.
Have a nice sunday guys.
>>76201604
Romans 13, Governing officials serve God when they punish evil, I.e police men arresting killers and Judges condemning them is biblical, military service in war would also be under this
>>76202070
You too anon!
>>76200779
>In some parts
Give me a quote from the Bible that shows Jesus encouraging the use of violent force and aggression.
>Hell
Wait, why does a God who is omnibenevolent sending people to a place where they will suffer eternal torture and excruciating pain for all eternity? Jesus seems to be one big oxymoron.
>all we have to do is use minimum force
I agree
>a lesson for petty things
Not really, it was Jesus saying do not follow the rule of "an eye for an eye".
>>76202070
If you're in a state of mortal sin don't take communion.
>>76202001
Well if you look around and see people bowing to idols of Mary and praying to her and wanting to serve her, you might start to question your religion.
God is a person. How are you supposed to have a relationship with Him if you're praying to dead people and having a chain of people mediate for you?
How are you supposed to be a Jew when you can't even follow your own commandments because you don't have a temple and those commandments bringing you death, and literally telling you that if you follow all but ONE of them, you literally are cursed with death?
This baffles me.
>>76201500
>Doesn't matter whether you think we're approaching end times or not.
>The question you should ask is. "Is a globalist agenda real, and if so, where do I stand?"
So what you're saying is end times is a non issue, and this separate unrelated question is more important. Agreed.
My question however is why you relate the two ideas when clearly there have been better scenario candidates of what could be end times.
>>76201879
No, I am learning. Have you found God anon?
>>76201495
I'm on /pol/ I've been on this shitty site for 9 years, where do you think you are?
>>76201590
>People were wrong about something many times before, therefore that something will never be true - the post
So you're saying Scientology could be right?
>>76201606
1/ We don't worship Mohamed we worship god
2/ Islam was propagated and defended by Mohameds followers and CHRISTIANS from ethiopia one of the largest and strongest kingdoms at the time
>>76202179
>Give me a quote from the Bible that shows Jesus encouraging the use of violent force and aggression.
>Wait, why does a God who is omnibenevolent sending people to a place where they will suffer eternal torture and excruciating pain for all eternity? Jesus seems to be one big oxymoron.
Does this not seem to you violent and aggressive enough?
>Not really, it was Jesus saying do not follow the rule of "an eye for an eye".
That as well. Which I wholly agree with. People are not to seek retribution, that is God's alone
>>76202340
Almost anything could be right
I'm just saying we could be living in the End Times. It'll always be a possibility
>>76202451
Read John 1 and John 14
>>76202224
ty, won't do that.
>>76202659
When people start disappearing on a mass scale, we will know for certain
>>76202261
>My question however is why you relate the two ideas when clearly there have been better scenario candidates of what could be end times.
Because their aren't.
Pre-requisites for end-times
>Jews return to Israel after 2000 years
>They begin to talk about rebuilding the Temple of Solomon
>Globalism begin to take over
>One World Government is pushed by the Globalists
>Anti-Christ eventually appears and proclaims himself to be God within the Temple
We can clearly see that pre-requisities are being fulfilled at what is actually an extremely alarming rate. This causing many Christians great concern.
>>76202697
I've made that mistake many times including today.
>>76202451
Why do Muslims curse christians and blow them up on easter? Shouldnt you be friends, and work together to kill the filthy kikes?
>>76202760
The rapture is not necessarily a given tbf
>>76202269
>No, I am learning
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace
Deuteronomy 11:26 Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse;
27 A blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the Lord your God, which I command you this day:
28 And a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the Lord your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.
Have you kept all those O.T. commandments? If you haven't, you are cursed and deserve to die.
Romans 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound
God gave those laws to teach people about trespassing; i.e. 'look, you cannot do anything by yourself, you need my grace'.
>>76202873
Some debate the pretrib or mid trib, but I think there will be some sort of rapture where we go to the judgement seat of Christ and get our crowns and positions in heaven
>>76203071
May His will be done
God bless you, Duomo of Pisa related.
>>76203352
It will
As a Jew, how are you supposed to be made right with God, having broken His commandments.
First of all, everyone who sins should die, without God's grace. Including the O.T. grace of being able to have sacrificial offerings.
Second of all, without a priesthood of verified descendants of Levites, temple, or the red heifer, how are you supposed to be able to atone?
Is this not being dead in trespasses?
Ephesians 2
1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast
>>76203061
I've certainly not worshipped any other gods, no.
>>76203559
1 John 2:22-23
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
If you don't accept God's Son, how can you be talking about the same God as me?
Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
What's your spiritual stance on extraterrestrials? Would it shake your faith if we found proof of evolved intelligent life NOT made in God's image?
>>76203764
What do you say to the Muslims that condemn you to hell for condemning the messenger of God, Muhammad?
>>76189664
Mateusz pls
>>76202670
I believe in jesus's prophecy and that he was born from a virgin but don't believe that he's god's son ,god doesn't breed .He's a creator.he created us all that doesn't mean we are all god's children.
Don't take the bible literally because meanings may have been lost in translation
It happens today with all our technological advancement it could have happened back then.
>>76203936
>What's your spiritual stance on extraterrestrials? Would it shake your faith if we found proof of evolved intelligent life NOT made in God's image?
No.
Animals exist and they aren't made in Gods image.
Angels aren't made in Gods image, and they are far surpass the intelligence of any human.
>>76190445
do you have children?
>>76203998
>condemn you to hell
If I am condemned to die by Muslims, for rejecting the false prophet, then I can only hope that they repent and receive God's grace, and that I can magnify God that He should be glorified.
>>76204183
How do you know for certain the muslims are wrong and you are right?
>>76203936
They're demons.
>>76203547
Do you realize you dont have any connection with ancient jews, right?
How do i stay up in the morning before 10:45 mass when I'm up early? Wonder what college girls were there today?
>>76204383
>I-I have no argument against the curse of Deuteronomy 22
>I...I know that we lost the Ark of the Covenant b-but...Muh-Muslims make just as valid an argument as you!
>>76204088
>>Angels aren't made in Gods image, and they are far surpass the intelligence of any human.
According to the texts not all angels are made in God's image, but every angel who has visited Earth has been "bright beautiful humanoid with wings".
>>76204383
How do you know for certain that anyone could be right?
>>76204488
I'm asking you a simple question. Just like you are condemning me, the Muslims condemn you, what is your response?
>>76204562
You cannot know, you can only have faith.
>>76204562
While we all claim to be gnostic, no mortal really "knows" for sure. That's what faith is about.
>>76204720
Then why are you asking >>76204383
>>76204608
If a Muslim condemned me, I would tell him that the Quran is inconsistent with both the Old Testament and the New Testament.
a Muslims would reply by telling me that both the Torah, the Tanukh and Gospel were altered and that's why it doesn't fit.
They would fail to provide any evidence, and I would counter by telling them about the Dead Sea Scrolls.
That isn't my argument with you.
ALSO
I was NOT condemning you. I was telling you that the Jews are responsible for breaking the covenant they had with God, which is why they lost the Ark of the Covenant.
The Jews had GOD HIMSELF residing with him and they rejected him.
and yet it's some sort of shock to you that they would reject the Messiah when they forsook God himself.
>>76204383
Because I have a relationship with my creator, El Elyon and Lord Jesus who spoke to me, and the Holy Spirit who guides and teaches me. I have nothing in this world except what God gives me, I am only alive because of His grace. I know that it's true.
Maybe in your study of 'Judaism', you can simultaneously the New Testament.
Or here's a better idea; since you are looking for God, why don't you pray to Him? Say your concerns to Him.
>Lord God, I don't know if your Son is real or not, but I'm looking for the truth, so if He is your Son, please send Him in to my life and teach me.
If you don't, you have no excuses, I guess. It's like being curious about what's behind a door, and refusing to open it.
Matthew 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
God loves you. He wants you to be with Him. Why won't you knock?
>>76204454
>you dont have any connection with ancient jews
I want my birthright to be with God, not with men. I don't know exactly what you mean, but I'm not sure if it's relevant to my faith, though.
>>76204562
Agnostic Master Race
>>76204852
Rhetorical questions are a thing.
>>76204816
>no mortal really "knows" for sure
And not even this, could we know
It's all on faith
>>76204981
My statement points to academic scepticism
And it is self-refuting
>>76204995
The rhetoric has to serve a purpose though doesn't it?
It's to persuade someone of something
>>76204720
So what's your deal?
>>76205437
>>76204934
Okay, so I denounce the curse as rubbish, what now?
>>76204977
Pray to who? I dont feel like I have enough information to pray.
>>76205324
Demonstrating something is a purpose. I can demonstrate how you (seemingly) can't know anything more ambitious than "there are thoughts". It won't be for persuasion sake, it'll be a demonstration.
>>76188121
>Catholics
>Christian
pick one
catholics are so antic biblical rules its funny they claimed to be the ruling class of the church.
women cant speak in church they got nuns. you are to worship none but god they got people praying to mary.
idle worship is unforgivable and they put the same statue of jesus in churches all over the place and its debatable if he is supposed to be god in teh flesh or his son since he says shit like father why have you forsaken me on the cross
and my favorite the catholics have people confess their sins. in the bible its clear you only get to do that 1 time for any 1 thing. doing it again means you were not sorry and its like spitting in gods face to have pretended to be sorry but catholics have people do it weekly
>>76205324
My deal is to respect observant members of Christianity, Islam and also Judaism, because the world is crumbling around us.
Divide and conquer.
>>76205517
>Okay, so I denounce the curse as rubbish, what now?
Then you're denying your own scriptures.
>>76204995
Also nice to see you itt
You actually "thought your thinking" through
>>76205517
>Pray to who?
The God of the bible.
You're asking stupid questions now. The door is before you, and you aren't interested in knocking.
Why are you even in the thread?
>>76205147
A Christian knows that God exists.
An Atheist knows that God does not exist.
An Agnostic knows that he cannot know, so faith is a blind box. I believe it's better to live life without prejudice. There are good people and bad people of all colors and creeds.
Except Mormons. Fuck Mormons.
