>Be me talking to a friend
>Goes into feminism
>Goes into women soccer league not getting payed as much
>I provide facts, she says no
>Feminist friend may not be my friend anymore
pol. Help.
Soccer is for women
no one has provided any facts in that picture
>watching sweaty men
Here's some more pictures with me quoting some stuff
>>76174867
Doesn't stop you when you're prepping the bull
>>76174709
>soccer
what's that?
it's football u nigger
>>76174949
It's soccer.
More pics of convo
Womens national football teams get BTFO by C-tier male youth teams all the time.
>>76174709
>women's football generates more revenue than mens
something nhere don't seem right...
>The US women's football team earn £14m more in revenue than the men so should be paid more... it is old-fashioned sexism
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3521888/The-women-s-football-team-earn-14m-revenue-men-paid-old-fashioned-sexism.html
>It is not even a matter of resources, as revenue from the women’s team amounts to £14million more than their male counterparts.
Well this is definitely bullshit. I'm just not sure how yet as the DM doesn't source its claim.
>>76175037
Is she literally autistic?
>>76174924
>Globally, people barely watch womens football compared to means
>'Can you prove that?'
Jesus Christ, does this cunt realise football is quite literally the most popular sport in the world, and that that NOBODY gives a fuck about womens football?
http://www.thelocal.se/20130116/45646
http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2016/05/25/matildas-beaten-7-0-by-newcastle-jets-under-15-boys-team/
Women do not perform equal work, therefore do not get equal way.
The end.
>>76175037
>It's not a problem of supply and demand
300 years of economic research threw right into the trash.
>>76175037
>mens earn more revenue
>thats gender equality
>fifa earn more money on men
>how can you say that when women earn more revenue
jesus this is like talking to a retarded horse
>>76175037
Why don't male pornstars make so much money?
>>76175037
it's a good thing you found out she's a fucking moron sooner rather than later
This is some severe cognitive dissonance. How does it get this bad? Why do you want someone to hue the thick as a friend anyway?
>>76175258
Further down the convo, she claims that men make more money on everything. I say porno she goes berserk. "Im done", she quotes. I'll post pics
>>76175121
LOL
>sportsball
Who gives a shit. They should be happy they're making a living playing games instead of having to get a real job.
>>76174709
look up how womens and mens soccer players are paid. Women tend to have high flat contracted rates while men rely almost entirely on bonuses for playing/winning.
>>76175335
This.
OP if you're trying to get into her pants, heed Britbong's advice and don't stick your dick in crazy
>>76175121
Goalkeeper had some perfect breasts though (no wonder she didn't see the ball).
She loses the battle, but wins at life.
More of our convo!
>>76174709
>women in sports
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHMtf7lxRdo
>>76175037
This is just going in circles, just stop talking to her
>>76175164
Yeah, that disconnect is unreal
>>76174709
>The womens team brought in more rev this one year due to it being a world cup. MS hasn't done the research. Revenue is figured for 4yr cycles.
That's from some icewizard guy in the comment section of this article.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3521888/The-women-s-football-team-earn-14m-revenue-men-paid-old-fashioned-sexism.html
>>76175420
It's fine, I just considered her as a friend.
I hope you blocked her
ask yourself if the friendship is worth maintaining if it might break over trivial things like womens soccer.
>>76175431
The only reason people watch womens sports is to watch cute girls with bouncing tits.
No one cares who wins.
More of this painful convo
One of the last 2 pictures. Bear with me.
>>76175633
nvm that's the last
>>76175080
Was only during the world cup. Nobody goes to or watches womens soccer outside the WC. Like the pay gap, its a buch of horse shit
>>76175431
Just tell her that the figures she is using are skewed because there was an international cup for women last year but there wasn't one for men, that is why womens football made more revenue last year. 2016 men's will completely rape 2016 and 2015 womens figures, justifying a higher price.
>>76175663
I like dis ;-D send her to LT pleas, tell her women are opressed and need freeing.
>>76174709
>more viewers
>more revenue
>more money to throw around
how does she not get this?
>>76175633
You had credibility until you mentioned models and porn stars.
She is genuinely fucking retarded. At that point you should ask yourself, do I want to be friends with a fucking retarded person?
>>76175633
>No, I'm not going to talk to someone who thinks porn is an occupation.
Translation
>No, I'm not going to allow you to give examples that prove what I'm saying is bullshit.
Fuck this bitch, I don't know why you are friends with her. I would remove her from my life in all forms, friendo.
>>76175962
That's the crux of Brexit, really.
>no links
>>76175663
Just tell her it is sexist, because women can't be expected to understand basic economic principles. Don't waste your time on this nonsense, man, seriously.
>>76175957
You're absolutely right. But all I did is mention a place where women get payed more. I think I ruined any possible friendship left when I mentioned it though. RIP me.
Why didn't you tell her that it's silly to compare the revenue generated during a world cup year for women with a non-world cup year for men? And that you should compare cup years and non-cup years respectively with each other where men blow women the fuck out?
Step it up retard senpai.
>>76174709
>no citations to back up claims
>repeats "you should look it up for yourself"
Press the ignore button. She's an idiot.
>>76175957
The fuck are you talking about?
These are careers where women are paid more, because what they offer is more valuable than what males offer to the industry.
Are they not valid because they don't support your bullshit narrative?
>>76175121
>>76175564
>but in the end it doesn't matter whichever team is being viewed ere. We're not talking about popularity
>I still believe that women's soccer team is becoming more popular
She's just retarded. She just believe what she wants to.
And her vote has the same value as yours.
Thank u guys. U guys made me feel much better, I guess pol is my safe space.
>>76175564
>Bitch says I'm done here
>You don't say ok bye bitch
fucking weakling
>>76174709
http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/2016/05/25/matildas-beaten-7-0-by-newcastle-jets-under-15-boys-team/
Just show her this link.
Female sports infinitely BTFO
>>76176130
Watch the coaches
>>76174709
>the biggest issue right now is how many millions of dollars are split between 11 women
>>76176071
>You are absolutely right.
>All I did was mention a career where women get paid more because what they produce is more valuable - proving that my argument is correct.
M80, I'm starting to wonder if you are as retarded as this bitch you are arguing with?
>>76174709
>you want feminist friends
>>76175110
they're americans
>>76175380
>devoting a large chunk of your time and energy staying on top of trends and making sure you can beat the competition by staying fit and performing better than your peers and to the top of your ability
>showing up 9-5 so you can lazily cruise through each day, counting the minutes til the workday is over and you can make 80k a year
>real job
fuck off you know-nothing
She sounds assblasted
>>76176111
Come on Polandball, lettuce be cereal now. Women are paid the same, or better, when they do the exact same job. I live and work in London and see plenty of women in the City every day, and I wouldn't discredit them for a second.
The issue is that most women don't have the same drive. I work full time, and I'm starting a business on the side, which means almost 100% of my time is taken up by working. I don't know any women with this same grit, even my business partner works 'full time' on the business, but she does not have the pressure of needing to be employed at the same time.
Don't hate women, they're our women afterall.
I like the way how /pol/s counter argument for the
>American women's soccer team
>Winning the women's soccer world cup
>bringing in more revenue
>getting paid less than shitty men's team
>that brought in less revenue
>and lost
Every single argument ignores the fact that this is strictly an American issue. We paid some fucking losers more than actual winners.
Even if you're a sexist there's clearly a problem there.
>>76176130
This fucking video. It's like my 6 year old brother's hockey team shooting in whichever net they're closest to.
>>76176333
If they choose to have children, they also usually take at least 1 year out of their employment, and women take the grunt of child rearing meaning that they can't focus entirely on their career.
With the family structure going down the drain, we need to unite with our women, not create a divide.
>>76176336
Womens soccer is literally trash though, womens national teams get beaten by youth boys teams
as seen with the Aus team and the Swedish team
>>76174709
>having a feminist friend
Mate, are you allright in the head ? End it.
>>76176336
Sports revenue is generated by entertainment value. Being a winner at women's soccer is like being the smartest kid in retard school, it's not something the world sees as an outstanding achievment. Youth teams regularly blow the fuck out of women's national teams including the USWNT, how's that for "winners"?
>>76176336
Did you just ignore the entire thread?
>>76174709
She's just plain wrong, globally, Women's football teams make far, far less than men's teams and have far, far fewer viewers at games. It's just a fact, don't know why she's so butthurt about it
>>76175756
But don't use the word 'rape' or she will be 'done' again
I ended it. :)
>>76176753
Very mature anon.
>>76176280
>get paid to have a hot body and kick a ball around
>>76176333
>Don't hate women, they're our women afterall.
>Even though women are paid more than men in porn, you think that this is a good counter-argument to a feminist who says women always earn less than men. This means you must hate women.
>>76176753
jesus you're passive aggresive m8
>>76174709
My only question:
Why do you have a feminist as a friend and why do you call that cunt even "friend"?
>>76175756
Nah the numbers are taking that into account, they calculate revenues in the 4 year cycle for each team.
What he should've told her instead is how the US federations pays their women 10x more than the international standard and that they pretty much drive an F1 in a gokart field. If it wasn't for their federation spending so much more on them they wouldn't dominate like they do.
But my advice to OP is to stay away. You can't reason with cunts like that
>>76175633
You don't apologise for doing nothing wrnog you faggot.
>>76176453
>not America
Moot point.
>>76176593
>irrelevant
Who gives a fuck? They did the job they were paid to do. They could lose to a team of special ed kids for all I care, fact is their job was to win their world cup and they fucking did it. So pay them.
>>76176753
FRIENDSHIP ENDED!
I don't understand people who get into political arguments with "friends"
I just laugh at it and close the tab if I see them post something stupid. And since most of my friends are Bernie supporters that happens quite often. I think I'm redpilling a few since I've been trying to educate my American brothers on Brexit and why it's so important to the future of the world.
>>76177167
>The numbers are taking that into account.
Are they really? How did woman's soccer make more then? Genuine question.
>>76176130
Did that really just happen? lol wtf
>>76177102
It was only today I found out she was a feminist. I tried to stay away from the idea, but it was inevitable.
I still think having a diverse group of people who you consider a "friend" is good. If you only surround yourself with people who share the same ideas as you is bad for u. Also, it's fun to have someone challenge your beliefs even if they are completely wrong :)
>>76175080
The women made more revenue one year when they won the World Cup and the men didn't play in any significant competitions. To be accurate in soccer you have to look at revenue in four year cycles because the women are highly irrelevant every other year
>>76175037
Needs to be shot
>>76177426
>I still think having a diverse group of people who you consider a "friend" is good.
Now I understand why you are friends with a feminist, lol.
>>76176130
Lmao This just made my day. How is that possible?
>>76177206
they got paid tho
>>76177365
He's lying. The women don't bring in more money than the men.
>>76174709
That's because last year was girls World Cup.
When men's World Cup rolls around it will obliterate the girls numbers.
>>76177426
Yeah do that while I forge a shtf-emergency militia around me. Good luck anon.
>>76177611
In this case, I didn't know she was a feminist until today. But you're right, I don't mind surrounding myself with people who think differently than I do.
>>76177796
There's nothing wrong with that at all, as long as they actually think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72UPxDFPKDs
Sargon annihilates this one
haha he blocks opposing opinions just like a sjw
>>76177365
They make more compared to other women's teams, not men.
The men made more money because the prize pool for world cup is like 600mil on men and 15mil on women, so the men got more money even if they got beat during the elimination rounds.
Those numbers are completely out of the US soccer federation hands. So the US woman team have no case.
So in short, US woman are paid more than the other countries woman and that spending is reflected in their performance on the field, so women being women, their reaction to that is to punish their federation.
>>76176873
I wasn't implying he hates women. Sorry if it came across that way. I just don't want their to be a "Men vs Women" agenda in ANY Western society.
>>76174709
How many people watch the Women's Soccer League all year round? How many people tune in for MLS?
>>76177682
Yea. Less for winning than men got for losing.
If you can't understand that they're getting punished for winning, I can't help you.
>>76174709
The only reason they made more money then the men's is because they had a major tournament, if we compare it to when it was the men's world cup the men will have easily out earned them by more than 20mil.
>>76174709
>pol. Help.
>pol
go back to tumblr bitch
>>76176753
>Blocking her
>Not just walking away
God damn, you're just as much of a woman as she is.
>>76176336
>round of 16 in the Football World Cup, the most important event in the sporting world behind the Olympics
>losers
It's unrealistic for Americans to ever hope that they can win a World Cup, so the result they got from the 2014 WC was amazing. They even gave Germany a run for their money.
>>76178122
They get paid based on the tournament prize pool, it's in FIFA's hands not the US soccer federation.
They I'll earn as much when both tournament get equal revenues, so never.
That's the earning system professional athletes gave themselves.
>>76178224
She doesn't see me as the same person anymore. Talking to her would just be awkward, it's better this way. My presence would just piss her off even more. Idk how calling someone a woman is an insult. gj
>>76178194
The men lost the men's world cup in round of 16.
Got paid more.
The women won their world cup. Got paid less.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZaGWGAMjus
>>76178376
Based on the chat, do u think she'll understand that.
>>76178053
>I don't want there to be a "Men vs Women" agenda in ANY Western society.
Then don't berate people who use porn as a valid example, where females are paid more than males, for producing more value than males.
Also, you told him not to hate women, and you think that somehow you weren't implying he hates women?
>>76178505
Of course not.
>>76178376
Most logical comment all thread. Thanks for the info.
>>76177993
Then what are you even talking about? He said the figures are skewed because it is comparing a non-world-cup year of men to a world-cup-year for women.
You replied that the numbers took this into account.
>>76174924
She's failing to realise that the us doesn't represent the entire world. She's acting like an american stereotype.
>>76178405
>She doesn't see me as the same person anymore
So what? Just ignore the cunt and move on. No need to be a passive-aggressive little bitch. Jesus.
>>76175096
Nope. An autistic person would have understood numbers. She is a literal retard, probably qualifies for disability.
>>76178405
No, it's not better that way. You're lowering yourself to her level.
You just walk away. If she wants to chase after you, let her chase after you. You may as well have just stuck your tongue out at her and called her a name.
>>76178456
>Gordon Ramsey cooked a meal that the president said was okay
>Julio slapped together a burger at his job at McDonald's and Bonquisha said it was delicious
Who gets paid more?
>>76174709
Having an argument with a woman in the first place is the biggest problem. Arguing with women almost always fails because they get angry/sad; they ignore obvious evidence as well.
>>76178536
Take your Libertarian, degenerate bullshit elsewhere spik.
>Last year
Last year was the women's world cup. The men's world cup was in 2014. Tell her to compare women's 2015 revenue to men's 2014 revenue.
>>76176753
good job op
hopefully tyl that talking to feminists is a waste of time
>>76176333
>women have more drive than men
My grandpa works at NatWest building, and pretty much says the opposite. He says theycamt copings well as men, and also have more chance of dropping out or because pregnancy, plus depression. Not to mention the numbers of women dropping.
Face it. Wen can't handle top tier work like men can, and it's impossible to change this. Only thing you can do is Sweden tier diversity quotas, and we all know that doesn't help society.
There are iron hearted women in this world, but women as a whole, no.
>>76176336
men's losers still do more than womens winners.
All you have to do is watch various womens' sports..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCgVCV8pCbQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRB2QTP8DpU
>>76178617
What I meant is that the people saying that the woman made more because it was an off year for the men is wrong. When you read about both teams revenues it calculates earnings for both teams during their respective tournament years.
I'm not defending the women teams, they made less but that's not because their federation, the us federation actually spends more on the women compared to other countries woman.
(Soccer player also receive a living wage from the us soccer federation) it's like 70k a year or something like that whish is less than the men.
>>76176071
Why didn't you bring up tennis? Where women get the exact same pay as men for doing less work? Women play 3 sets and men play 5.
Why didn't you ask her why the women's NT deserve equal pay when they can't even beat 15 year old boys? Losing 8-2. 8 fucking 2.
https://twitter.com/ShannonBoxx7/status/194611706641661952
>>76179053
Wen
I meant women
>>76174709
>soccer watched predominantly in patriarchal, developing countries
>women's soccer has more viewers!
What fucking planet it's she from?
>Feminist friend may not be my friend anymore
Isn't that the best possible outcome?
>>76177796
I like it when my friends like different films/hobbies/women than I do.
There's a difference between subjective opinions and objective facts. If someone is so stupid that believes in the wage gap, in fucking soccer of all things, you know you're dealing with a nutcase.
>>76179176
>When you read about both teams revenues it calculates earnings for both teams during their respective tournament years
No it doesn't. Stop lying.
>>76179395
That is the outcome :)
>>76176130
I think i get it, but again nobody can be that fucking stupid, can they?
The blue girl scored in her own net, then the white girl scored in her own, right?
>>76178834
Typical fucking feminist. This is how you all react when your arguments are btfo.
ok I going to try to explain this as concisely as possible beause there's some confusion.
the numbers I use are not 100% accurate
so in short soccer players receive a base salary from their federation
USM: 90k a year (less than global avg)
USW: 70k a year (more than global avg)
USM team is essentialy a go-kart in a F1 field
USW team is essentially a F1 in a go-kart field
result: Women dominate and men struggle
so woman winning 1st in a tournament with a prize pool of 15mil gave them something like 2million to bring back
men finishing in like 8th place or something gave them 1 million or thereabout
So women team goes : We brought more money to the federation by winning the fifa tournament so give us more base salary
US federation answer: we already paying you more than what you're worth and you dominate because of it, what you earn in the fifa tourney is out of our control.
Women: REEEEEE NO
USSF: sorry :(
>>76179455
look maybe some news sources are calculating it differently but the US women team is not,
I tried to explain it here:
>>76180224
I'm not defending the women, they're wrong.
>>76180345
>the numbers I use are made up
Stopped reading there.
>>76175037
Assuming that this is not a troll:
She's an idiot, like, a massive one, like, in the retarded category.
You are an equal idiot for spending time arguing with her.
>>76180424
they may not be accurate but they represent the current situation, it's because some people think that the case with the us woman team is about their ernings in the fifa tourney instead of their base salary from the federation.
>>76180224
Except when the men's gokart is much faster than women's f1
>>76179070
I had a webm of the women's motocross, but lost it.
That shit is hilarious! Girl power!
>>76180682
of course, it's just an analogy so that people understand the different climate both teams have to perform in.
>>76180643
I thought it would be interesting to hear her opinion. Should I have just ignored her claims then?
>>76174795
Fpbp
>>76180224
Maybe its time for me to secede from the sinking ship.
>>76180870
What claims?
You and her said the same things over and over again and she clearly doesn't have any mental capability to understand basic stuff.
Maybe I'm an idiot as well for wasting my time explaining that to you.
>>76181311
What's worst is that the US soccer federation is not exactly the richest in the world, so if by some crazy circumstance, the women manage to win their case, they will have to cut their spending in their women program in order to be able to meet their demands.
Am I too late to the party?
>>76181414
I guess so if we we follow your logic here.
>>76175096
Autistic people can understand 2nd grade maths.
She's just stupid.
>>76174709
>Feminist friend may not be my friend anymore
So be it. Find better friends.
>trying to convince a female feminist friend something that goes against her narrative
>talking to a female feminist friend
>having a female feminist friend
>having a female friend
You must be a fag or a numale. Real men don't have female friends (except for gf/wife), just female acquaintances
>>76182577
Is that how you justify not having friends? By claiming those who do as numale or fag? gtfo
>>76176753
Why didn't you post any sources?
You kind of did a shitty job tbhfam. You had tons of information you could have pointed to that would possibly shut her up.
>>76183014
I have my bros and I have my girlfriends why would I try some bastardized hybrid of the two? You really must be a numale or fag
>Payed
>>76183431
I did post some sources. Just look at the chat. I quoted some stuff from fifa and from articles i found.
>>76174709
ask her why women models are paid more than male models
>>76175633
LMAO she doesn't think porn is an actual occupation? so she disapproves of women doing what they want with their bodies? what a sexist pig!
>>76174709
>>76174924
>>76175037
>>76175431
>>76175564
>>76175633
You're arguing against a feminist woman, you have the facts to support your case and you still manage to come off as the stupider one, your arguing skills are appalling.
>>76174709
>debating women
>debating feminists
wewlad
>>76185782
My train of thought was terrible and the whole argument was going in circles. You're absolutely right, my argument skills are appalling, but that's the main reason as to why I'm arguing with people. If I managed to come of as the stupider one, oh well. I have a lot of work to do if that's the case.
>>76174709
Why the fuck do you want to be friends with a feminist?
>>76186718
I think I mentioned this before up there. I didn't know she was a feminist until today. I already blocked her from my contacts. I only know her online anyway. Besides, I don't think having friends who think differently than you is bad.
>>76180224
>>76180424
>>76180650
>>76186606
Oh, well now I feel bad for being mean
>>76174709
Remind her the Aussie female national team got beat by kids who were barely into puberty
Also their revenue doesn't justify a pay increase
>>76186992
It is when they're psycho
I knew a cute feminist once, I wanted to fuck her. Turns out she was in an "open relationship" and although she only fucked other whites that still disgusted me to no end and I stopped going around her
>>76187321
It's ok i forgive u :)
>help
Fuck off cuckold, this isn't Tumblr where you ask your hugbox for backup.
>>76187782
Feminists are generally known to be illogical. It's a given. Arguing with them is hard. I've talked to many of them and you just can't change their views. I am still looking for that one logical feminist, but from what I'm seeing, it's impossible.
>>76175037
Jesus FUCK HOW THE HELL CAN SOMEBODY MISTAKE A COMPARISON OF TWO SUMS THAT ARE AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE OFF?
>>76188753
pol is a safe space*(kind of) whether u like it or not. But at least we are open to opposing views so we can debunk them. I asked for guidance and pol delivered. Have a great day.
>>76189088
>expecting any kind of reason from faminist
lol I read that in an angry german voice
>>76175431
"THE FACTS DONT MATTER, I BELIEVE THAT WOMEN MAKE MORE REVENUE!!!!!"
LETS RUN A UTOPIAN PARADISE BY BELIEF RATHER THAN PRODUCTION, THATS SURELY WORKED OUT TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AND TIME AGAIN THROUGHOUT HUMAN HISTORY, AND HASNT FORCED BILLIONS OF HUMANS INTO STARVATION AND POVERTY AMIRITE?
>>76188753
Get fucked and go back to /b/
