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Sunday, June 5, 2016
Liturgical Year C, Cycle II
Today's Mass
Tenth Sunday in Ordinary Time
Readings for Mass
First Reading: First Kings 17:17-24
Responsorial Psalm: Psalms 30:2, 4, 5-6, 11, 12, 13
Second Reading: Galatians 1:11-19
Gospel: Luke 7:11-17
Today's Rosary: The Glorious Mysteries
Good Scenes to watch
>Jesus Anime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d-uB0vaoQo
>Jesus of Nazareth Sermon on the Mount:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDCbJ4vnMNg
>Jesus chases Jews out of the Temple
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEtBs6j7QgU
>Jesus gives sight to the Blind....and takes sight from those who can see
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY7vamVg99E
>Roman Centurion has more faith than anyone in Israel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNLSBjYDPko
>Ben Hur scenes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVlf7OiiTJE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fbt2UUthWg0
Yahweh is not real.
Discuss pic related
>>76150172
(You)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m3GU5xTSMA
>>76150239
More people need to read this. Feel-good Nice-ianity is a major problem these days. What's worst is that even the non-Christians judge you by the standard of it, when they have an incorrect view of Christianity in the first place.
Going to give this a bump before I go to sleep.
God bless all of you, anons. Have a great Sunday. :)
>>76150800
Have a good one, anon. May God bless you. :)
>>76150172
Lol, good one lad XD
Glad you felt the need to say that like you're going to convince anyone
God bless and goodbye
>>76150239
I agree with this. Modern "Churchianity" is just liberal garbage with no basis in biblical OR historical Christianity.
It doesn't even remotely resemble the religion described in the bible, nor does it even remotely resemble the way Christianity has been practiced in any culture historically.
That's why there is so much corruption in so-called Christian churches and circles. Immorality, perverseness, homosexuality, etc., are not only tolerated but now celebrated by so-called Christians, as if it's a badge of honor to be proud of, for showing off how "inclusive, tolerant, and loving" they are.
>>76151314
They both worship the same deity, why can't you guys learn to get along?
Heading to a friends Birthday for a little bit then heading to mass. Hope everyones had a good day today.
And as always, thank you OP for the general.
>>76151385
>>76151385
Muslims worship a pagan moon god adapted from an Arabic pantheon and they also deny the Trinity; they are mistaken when they say that we worship the same god.
>>76151480
Have a good one mate, enjoy the birthday and mass. :)
where did this "pol is christian" meme come from anyway
>>76151708
Had something to do with Christianity being true and the last bulwark against Islam, Degeneracy, and Judaism.
>>76151858
four years ago no one gave a flying rat's ass about this crap
I blame shitposters personally
>>76151385
1 John 2:23
Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
Muslims don't acknowledge or accept Jesus as the Christ and son of God. Islam has truths mixed in with lies to make seem more palatable and acceptable, but it is a false religion
>>76151926
Join us, anon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E23LSKpJS3M
We're waiting for you.
>>76151926
Why are you in this thread then
>>76151926
Boards and board cultures change, it's just what happens. How many Nazi threads do you see on /pol/ these days?
>>76150172
ur mum isn't real, fite me 1vs1
>>76152081
I'd much rather actually discuss politics or news than religious memes that have no relevance to the board's topic
call me old fashioned
Honest question: if we're supposed to conform to the character of god, and god gave his only son to be crucified, are we supposed to be willing to sacrifice our kids like that too?
>>76151708
>>76151858
>>76151926
A GREAT REVIVAL
THE LORD IS WORKING
DO NOT FIGHT IT
JOIN US
>>76151926
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7c-XY695hk
Christians are my favorite people
>>76152152
Never read fear and trembling by Kierkegaard?
God wouldn't allow Isaac to sacrifice his son even though he was willing.
>>76151642
>they deny polytheism
They worship Yahweh, same as the Jews, same as Christcucks.
>>76151861
Good is a subjective term.
Yahweh is a theoretical existence.
>>76151878
>Masturbation is addictive.
I disagree.
>Addictions distract us from our duties
But our duties are to ourselves, so it's good to be addicted to pleasuring ourselves.
>they distrort our views of reality
Clear heads help us undertand reality actually, so being addicted to clearing our heads is the opposite and therefore good
>they imprison our choices in certain patterns
In the case of masturbation, we are doing our will to obtain physical pleasure and happiness. That is liberating, as opposed to the doing whatever you want that ends up in imprisonment
>>hinder our free will.
Things given up out of love for ones self are as free willed as things done out of love
>>76152000
>God didn't invent sin.
oh my fugg
>>76151926
Jesus never left you, anon
Can someone tell me what prayers I should say for someone who recently departed? Bless his soul.
>>76152137
what could be more relevant to politics? The government must derive authority from God.
>>76152281
Muslims worship a perversion of the great I AM.
>>76152303
>getting bored of the "fun" route
>>76152321
that his family and friends find peace, and that he was saved, and if he wasn't, that God could go back in time and make sure he gets saved? Idk just pray whatever
>>76152321
He is already in hell for touching his peepee
>>76152189
>>76152423
Wow bro, that's pretty fucking disrespectful
>>76152561
Touching your peepee is disrespectful to the lord.
>>76152294
>I disagree.
Answer honestly. Can you give up masturbation forever? Yes or no?
>But our duties are to ourselves, so it's good to be addicted to pleasuring ourselves.
So you are saying that being selfish is a virtue? Good goy
>Clear heads help us undertand reality actually, so being addicted to clearing our heads is the opposite and therefore good
If you need to masturbate to clear your head, and keep doing it to keep it clear, not only are you addicted, but your head is not clear at all. A clear head is one that is not swayed by vices and conquers them, instead of being a subject to them. A clear head is the one that is clear without the need of masturbation.
>In the case of masturbation, we are doing our will to obtain physical pleasure and happiness. That is liberating, as opposed to the doing whatever you want that ends up in imprisonment
First you say that masturbation is your own will. Then you say that your own will brings you to imprisonment. So you agree that masturbation is imprisonment and that abastaining from it is liberating. Good to know.
>Things given up out of love for ones self are as free willed as things done out of love
You are not giving up on anything
>>76152561
Feeding the troll is only going to make is peepee harder.
>>76152321
http://www.usccb.org/prayer-and-worship/bereavement-and-funerals/prayers-for-death-and-dying.cfm
>>76152616
Answer honestly. Can you give up God forever? Yes or no?
>caring about yourself is selfish
>goy
You literally worship a kike.
I didn't even mean the rest of my post, so I'm not gonna bother reading.
>>76152655
I'm hard as a rock, precum dripping.
>>76151769
I'm not even Catholic
Like I said, what are you even doing lol
>>76152423
>Works-based salvation
'no'
>>76152616
They still make those cardinal hats?
>>76150058
>reddit proxyfag
Disgusting
>>76152758
Shitposting and getting easy (you)s from cultists while I masturbate.
>>76152722
>Answer honestly. Can you give up God forever? Yes or no?
No. Now you answer:
Can you give up masturbation forever? Yes or no?
>>76152785
apparently, they have swag though
>>76152822
kurwa! :^)
>>76152857
Why
>>76152874
I don't need to masturbate, I cum in your mom every night.
>>76152240
I have, but I'm not abraham. Good response, though.
>>76152758
I understand that that the concept of the trinity is difficult to comprehend, but you completely failed to grasp it at all
>>76152898
Because it makes my peepee hard.
>>76152716
Thanks brother, this should lead me in the right direction.
>>76152909
Are you still waiting for your mom to tuck you in?
>>76152970
Your friend already went the wrong way, just go the other way and don't touch your peepee.
>>76152984
Yes.
>>76152909
>>>/kindergarten/
>>76152932
Why's that?
>>76150239
I agree. I know a lot of "Christians" who could just correctly identify as simply agnostic humanitarians.
Discuss pic related
>>76153061
>>>/psychward/
>>76153074
Because I'm a dirty little sinning slut.
>>76152970
no problem brother, I will say a prayer too for your beloved, it certainly won't hurt
76151878
>My sentences
I'm being a bit careful. Some people abuse this.
I do try to compress what I write sometimes. Or just because I think it looks better, or as I want it too I adapt something. Could you give an example of what is not written well?
>>76153132
>>>/cradle/
I'd like to thank the anti-Christian trolls for bumping this thread tonight. Thanks for the bringing further exposure of Christ's Gospel unto /pol/ through the bumps. Thanks guys, remember to check out the Pastebin in the OP.
>>76153194
>>>/hell/
>>76153209
This was my plan all along, goy.
>>76153193
>>76151878
(post link with an actual link)
I'm being a bit careful. Some people abuse this.
I do try to compress what I write sometimes. Or just because I think it looks better, or as I want it too I adapt something. Could you give an example of what is not written well?
>>76153132
Oh...you're not really explaining WHY it makes your "peepee" hard though. Like specifically, what is it? This is important lad. Please do your best answer well
How come wolfy doesn't post in these threads anymore? I'm not Catholic. I just like how he treated protestants with respect.
>>76153302
The thought of breaking the rules and the knowledge that I'll be punished is arousing.
>>76153334
He still posts here, but he doesn't really lead or engage in conversations so much.
>>76153368
Fascinating. And why do you think this is?
>>76152857
here is a you christfag
>>76153334
he went to /his/ havn't seen him around much since the creation of that board. He does post here sometimes though.
So I have a question I've been wanting to ask Catholics. I was raised Anglican but prefer to not align with churches doctrines and just go off the Bible, how do Catholics rationalize Popes like the one you have now?
Isn't he supposed to be kind of a spiritual guide but instead he's delving into politics like immigration and climate change? How can you be Catholic and then accept that kind of leadership?
No animosity towards Catholics, I have a lot of respect for them, I just don't really understand how one would go about rationalizing it. I probably just don't understand it enough.
>>76153442
It had something to do with lack of a strong father figure and abuse I suffered while attending Catholic school all throughout middle and high school I am sure.
>>76153534
I see
>>76153396
>>76153502
Thanks, based anons.
So how could we change the whole of Christianity?
>>76153701
Prayer :^)
>>76153701
Make an effort to actually read the Bible and actually follow what is written therein.
>>76153524
The papacy is an office. Papal infallibility is only present in very rare occasions. Francis for example never used it, and most Popes never used it actually.
>Isn't he supposed to be kind of a spiritual guide but instead he's delving into politics like immigration and climate change?
Popes do that all the time. Pope John Paul II was always bitching about communism and how bad it is. You have no obligation to agree with the ideas of the Pope about current affairs, unless he is speaking ex-cathedra (i.e. papal infallibility). What matters is that you trust the Magisterium in preserving the deposit of the Faith, that is, the doctrine and the dogma of the Catholic Church.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magisterium
https://my.mixtape.moe/yerinm.webm
>>76153701
Stop sanctioning gay marriage
>>76153762
Amen
>>76153812
>>76153762
I really meant
a] who is interested
b] how
>>76150239
I agree totally. Tolerance is a secularist value arising from the "Enlightenment", which the Church calls indifferentism and holds as a grave sin.
I love this interaction between Peter and Jesus from the Gospel of John. I think it shows His character very well:
So when they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon, son of John, do you love Me more than these?" He said to Him, "Yes, Lord; You know that I love You." He said to him, "Tend My lambs." He said to him again a second time, "Simon, son of John, do you love Me?" He said to Him, "Yes, Lord; You know that I love You." He said to him, "Shepherd My sheep." He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of John, do you love Me?" Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, "Do you love Me?" And he said to Him, "Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You." Jesus said to him, "Tend My sheep. "Truly, truly, I say to you, when you were younger, you used to gird yourself and walk wherever you wished; but when you grow old, you will stretch out your hands and someone else will gird you, and bring you where you do not wish to go." Now this He said, signifying by what kind of death he would glorify God. And when He had spoken this, He said to him, "Follow Me!"
>>76153834
Gays are not living in sin, ask the pope, he is part of the holy quadruped.
>>76153833
Alright fair enough. But what about the numerous verses that talk about idolatry? Is the Pope not a form of earthly idol? How does Catholicism work around that?
>>76153077
In both "body and soul" unbelievers will suffer eternal separation and condemnation in hell (Matt. 18:8 and 25:46; Mark 9:43; John 3:36; 2 Thess. 1:9; Jude 13; Rev. 14:11).[40] Indescribable torment will be experienced consciously, the degree determined by the nature of the sins to be punished (Matt. 11:20-24 and 23:15; Luke 12:47-48)."
>>76153834
>Stop sanctioning gay marriage
heresy
>>76153909
he literally said gay marriage is from satan
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/pope-francis-same-sex-marriage-move-father-lies-total-rejection-gods-law
>>76153979
> Is the Pope not a form of earthly idol?
He is not. That is a protestant strawman. He is a sinner and a human as everyone else.
>>76154088
>>76154088
Well the problem is protestants take the Church of Luther's time and assume it never fixed the problems of the day, which it did.
Today it has new problems though.
>>76154147
>>76154232
How would your deity feel about you making light of the murder of over 6 million of his people?
>>76154088
What do you mean "heresy"? Lol
Are you saying there aren't churches that are accepting of gays and gays marriage? What are you on about spaghetti man?
>>76154232
Typical Papist.
>>76154197
>Today it has new problems though.
the Church will always have problems. That is the point. If it didn't have problems it wouldn't be the Church
pic related
>>76153887
By preach more about the historicity of Christ's resurrection and the philosophical arguments for the existence of God. These days, many people, in particular materialists and the young, react best to logic and fact. Supply that to them, and they will follow. The biggest problem is that people aren't open to the notion of God existing, coming to earth, and dying for our sins. The most important thing is that we have at the ready a defence for Christianity in the form of historical and philosophical arguments.
>>76154329
??
>>76154336
Luther is in hell
>>76154336
eat da poopoo?
>>76154432
>posts a picture making fun of gas chambers
>when over 6 million of G-d's people were murdered in gas chambers
>>76150239
10/10
Saved.
>>76154432
Oy vey lad
Are you saying that accepting Christ's sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins doesn't get you into heaven? I sure hope not
>>76154521
>>76154432
>>76154602
>Jews are bad
>worships a Jew
>>76154589
sure, but faith without works is dead
>>76154643
Israelites ≠Talmudist Jews
>>76154398
If it is just known as an universal fact that God is the sky daddy and how this works technically speaking, and what the use is, how it can benefit, it will just be. And there will be no issue about existance and other like-issues.
>>76154756
Which am I supposed to like?
>>76154659
So you're saying accepting Christ doesn't get you into heaven
Oh boy
>>76151385
>Muslims claim to worship the father
>Christ is the only way to the father
>"It's the same thing. Just get along."
Fun fact. In the dialect spoken in Rome, "sola" means "scam".
I never understood where that word came from, but now I do
>>76154885
Nope, that's a strawman
>>76154776
Exactly. The first thing that needs to be done is that people understand God's existence, and how He functions. After that, all fall into place.
>>76154832
The Israelites, but they haven't been around since 70AD.
>>76154908
>>Christ is the only way to the father
Judaism may disagree desu
>>76154960
So I'm supposed to like the Jews that aren't really Jews?
>>76154885
Faith necessitates works, but works don't save you - faith does. Works are a result and extension of faith.
>>76155015
They're not the same as modern Jews, but yes. And you can like everybody, that's fine. If you like someone, you do what's best for them, and in this case, it is spreading the Gospel.
>>76154885
Accepting Christ means you change your life to begin works for Christ. You are not judged by your works, but you are to commit yourself in all ways towards Christ and his ways, in everything you do.
Faith without works is dead.
>>76155111
>you can like everybody
This simply isn't true.
>Gospel
Which gospel?
There are faggots here right now, who think that calling God a whore or faggot is a sin.
There are faggots here right now, who think Satan is bad\evil guy.
There are faggots here right now, who think that hell exists.
There are faggots here right now who think "if you kill your enemies they'll win" isn't correct.
There are faggots here right now who think muslims/jews/buddists/other shit are less right than them.
There are faggots here right now who think that sometimes it is better to lie than tell the truth.
t. God called me when i was six, but 16 years later i am still coward too much to answer Him.
(PS: I've met Satan 3 times, twice when i was kid and that faggot was scarying me for lulz, once when i was 17/18, he is literally TSUNDERE faggot. Obviously during sleep)
>>76155031
I agree
>>76154945
I don't think it is a straw man. Are you not saying that believing in your heart that Jesus died for us and was raised from the dead isn't enough to get us into heaven? Are you not saying that that sacrifice isn't enough?
>muh strawman!!
Lol, nice strawman
>>76154964
Gee I wonder who could be behind this post
>>76155183
Why can't you like everybody?
The Gospel of Christ. New Testament bruh
>>76155137
I agree
>>76155233
I am not a Jew, I am a faithful Christcuck. Fuck those Jews.
>>76155262
>Why can't you like everybody?
Because there are stupid people, like these cultists that believe in Semitic deities.
>>76154960
But shouldn't we get our politicians to do this? I mean look at the bad status of something like sex that the faith brings forth. And if it is just in the interest of humanity, which it is as it looks, we don't want either unclear or bad quality of operating, all that, in how this practically functions.
>>76155225
I am honestly too sleepy and can't be bothered to go over this topic for the 40th time this week.
>>76155205
>Strawman this hard
>>76155308
You have to separate what people do and think from what they are. My brother has a temper and often makes irresponsible decisions, but I still like him. What a person thinks or does is not necessarily who they are.
>>76155347
It's a very simple yes or no question, but that's okay. I understand
>>76155382
What makes a person "who they are" if not their actions and beliefs?
>>76155324
I think the school system should do this. In my opinion, there has been a systematic movement in schools to make the children stop believing in God. The school system needs to be reformed, so that children at least have the opportunity to learn of the arguments for God's existence, the resurrection of Christ, and Christian morality - and if they reject it, there's not much else you can do.
>>76155462
Who they are apart from what they project outwardly.
>>76155675
I'm literally LMAOing at 3am right now.
>>76155308
>Referring to yourself as "Christcuck"
>Shamelessly insulting the Lord's holy name with an act of treacherous debauchery
>>76155774
Yes, that's it, now threaten to spank me.
>>76155615
>if they reject it
But you don't see how I mean that the whole rejection issue will be gone? And no one's business anymore? Like the existence of water can be doubted. It is not useful. This is now just unclear to most people compared to God.
I pointed to this site in the last thread.
https://faithsimple.wordpress.com/
alright guys, renewed desire to become Christian. why should I not join the Episcopal Church here in the US? Catholics are pretty cool and been to a few masses, but idk. Never been to any Orthodox service but love the culture. fuck anything else
>>76151926
Even as a Christian that loves these generals and the spiritual revival in general, you're right. People on this board used to make fun of Christianity all the time, there were no Christian generals or anything. The only tripfag was that guy called AMDG but then he left and it stopped. The atmosphere here was overwhelmingly atheist and agnostic, so what happened?
>>76155966
You're literally going to hell, nothing can stop it at this point.
>>76155966
>why should I not join the Episcopal Church
they're heretics. Go Catholic
>>76150058
There's a whole board dedicated to your fucking trolling shitposting.
>>>/his/
>>76156103
>trolling shitposting
Lol, what?
>>76156015
>People on this board used to make fun of Christianity all the time,
Still do.
>there were no Christian generals or anything.
That's a lie.
It got so bad a whole board was made, just for you.
>>>/his/
>>76156147
>he wasn't here a year ago
>>76155925
You can't (or shouldn't) force or brainwash someone to believe in God - the best you can do is the give them the information and let them do what they will with it. Of course, I think at this point the existence of God is basically incontrovertible, so we must be prepared to give solid arguments for His existence.
>>76156023
b-but why
>>76156049
what's so much better about Catholicism
>>76156023
That's a bold statement lad, and untrue. There IS something that can stop it
>>76155966
> why should I not join the Episcopal Church here in the US?
They're far too left leaning and abandon essential truths to fit in with the (liberal) times. Go find a nice LCMS church instead.
>>76156103
/pol/ is a Christian board, it always has been. If you don't like it there's a whole board dedicated to atheism that might be more to your liking.
>>>/lgbt/
>>76156221
You touched your peepee.
>>76156224
This is true, if he kills himself he will be fine.
>>76156221
He's funposting. Just believe on the Lord of the Gospel and you will be saved.
>>76156265
And now starts the trolling and shitposting.
>fedora memes in 3... 2... 1....
>>76156301
Lol, nobody gives a shit lad
Bye
>>76156379
>bye
Ha, no. You don't get a hugbox. Not on /pol/.
>>>/reddit/
>>76156221
In my opinion it's better because of the unity.
The arguments against it is that we have a bad Pope right now.
But with Protestantism you are more susceptible to heresies.
>Jesus is God
>Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary
>The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are the trinity
These are basic beliefs that certain protestants would compromise or even outright deny.
These are considered heresies.
>>76156221
only true Church
>>76156221
Don't listen to faggots who want to tell you that you're going to hell just because.
>>76150058
There is more to the god question than just does god exist or not? Religion reliefs the anxiety for death, gives identity and bonds people, creating communities. So many psychological aspects to it than just what is the truth.
What other reason do you have to believe / not believe?
>>76156264
but my only issue would be that I'm not very conservative socially. so I'm stuck between abandoning my social beliefs to be included in something greater, or abandoning the inclusion for muh feelings. it sounds dumb, but I've been pretty agnostic all my life so it makes sense to me
>>76156416
>gaytheist
>thinking his opinion matters on a Christian board
How deep does the rabbit hole go? Think you can fit your Richard Dawkins body pillow down there with you?
>>76156438
I particularly like the Pope, but to each their own I suppose. I believe in those 3 major points (obviously) so it's just a lack of direction
>>76155774
>implying he can insult God
You sin/do evil if you hurt another being, God loves you unconditionally and absolutely, you cannot hurt him. Basicaly insulting God is hurting yourself, but i am not gonna elaborate it.
>>76156179
That is the exact thing. Basically I don't have business with things where this is a question.
So this was the conclusion
https://faithsimple.wordpress.com/
It would be a good and best thing for everyone if that unclarity about the whole thing is out of the way once and for all.
It is a simple and clear matter. At this time the quality of how it is presented is bad. Maybe because say habits of 1000s of years.
>>76156485
The historicity of Jesus' resurrection and the reliability of the written accounts thereof.
Check out these YouTube playlists:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1mr9ZTZb3TW70EEo4e2onJ4lq1QYSzrY
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1mr9ZTZb3TUYymBPce08oyuhnHLLkR_B
>>76156541
What kinds of socially conservative values would you be opposed to?
>>76156579
This is the level of Christian debate. You wonder why your church is failing?
Look at yourself.
>>76156477
how much is it complicated if I'm already a Mason
>>76156713
stop shilling your cult
>>76156737
freemasons are automatically excommunicated. You can't be both a mason and a Catholic. You have to choose
>>76156416
It was more of a metaphorical dismissal lad. As in "I don't care" I hope you don't think I actually thought I could make you leave
Also OOOH I'm so scared lad, where's my hug box!? Lol, you're funny lad :^)
>>76156723
I'm pro-choice generally, and for same-sex marriage, as generic examples
>>76156652
People disagree with the Pope here because most of us are conservatives who don't like the idea of modernizing the Church.
I prefer to go to a traditional Latin Mass for example because it's just more beautiful to me.
A lot of people will tell you that Catholics worship Mary or Saints.
Absolutely false. We believe that the Saints can hear us and we can ask them to pray for us. But we never worship them or pray to them.
Others will tell you that we think that the sacraments are necessary for salvation and will even point to some pages in the catechism, but by saying that the Sacraments are necessary for Salvation it's not saying that it is necessary for every person to receive every Sacrament. It's saying that Christ established the Sacraments for the Salvation of Mankind. Holy Orders are necessary to provide for Bishops and Priests. Bishops are necessary for Confirmation and Ordaining Priests. Priests are necessary for the Eucharist, Reconciliation, Anointing of the Sick. Marriage is necessary for building up the Kingdom.
>>76156866
>No, see, I'm not shitpos--
>[shitposting intensifies]
>>76156477
>Catholicism is the only true church
>Ran by an excommunicated Bishop
>doesn't follow any sort established rule Jesus gave
>no apostles
>female pope
>three popes all excommuncate each other
lol
>>76156714
Thanks for the links, will check them out. But you dodged my question.
>>76156983
here's your (you)
>>76156967
But I responded to your post...and what you said
Also when did I say I wasn't shitposting? I said I didn't care. What are you even doing?
>>76156929
Well done and traditional liturgy is important to me, compared to the nonsense protestants can come up with, so that's an aspect I wouldn't be against changing.
The communion of Saints has always been a beautiful concept to me, so that'd be a non-issue.
That explanation of the sacraments was actually really educational, thank you. I never knew exactly what was meant by "necessary"
>>76156875
I see anon. If you'll allow me to give my own opinion, I think it's more important that we defer to God's commandments on these issues instead of trying to mold beliefs to satisfy our own desires, which is why I recommended LCMS to you. I definitely think you should try it out at the least. If you're still unable to come to terms with the socially conservative values, then I reckon you should check out ELCA or the Episcopal Church. Maybe it will plant the seed of faith within you and guide your path to the Lord. I wish you luck in this endeavor anon and I will pray for you.
>>76157162
>I don't care!
>I don't care! x2
>I don't care! x3
Sure you don't.
>>76156999
I forgot to answer your first question, but the short answer: yes. There are some things about God we will never know or understand.
>>76156714
There is a number of scriptures recorded down, but i dont see how this leads to the conclusion that god exist. You would still have to take the word written down by man for being true.
>>76156875
>woman should decide for herself
That's pretty redpilled, because on the end of redpill path you will find out that you can never decide about someones life just because "you know better". But there is one problem with this special problem
>implying women don't want others to decide for them
deep down in woman heart there is an eternal fear of chosing wrong which roots from Eve's trusting snake
>>76157270
K, thanks for not addressing anything I said lol :^)
Also, in those last 2 posts I wasn't saying "I don't care", I was just explaining that that's what I meant in my first post because you didn't understand it. Is that all?
>>76157183
I hope you have fun exploring.
>>76157417
>If I keep talking in circles he'll surely fall for it.
Let me guess, you still don't care?
>>76157227
Passions are also sensitive and can spark outrage in seconds. Just see how some muslims reacted to the muhammed cartoons, thats real passion!
>>76157227
I'll make it a goal to check it out, and if not, I'll keep searching. God bless you, man
>>76156477
Catholics are literal niggers along with protestants
>>76157501
Are you part of the Church of Norway?
>>76157474
Yeah. You made a post that implied I should care what your opinion of my posts is. I don't. Is that straight forward enough for you? Or am I still "talking in circles"? What part do you need explained in a simpler manner?
>>76157373
Those links refer more to the truth of Christianity, rather than the existence of God. For evidence for that, check out some of the other videos that that YouTube account I supplied to you loaded up. Also check out the works of William Lane Craig and John Lennox.
>>76157670
Nope, i have no committed beliefs. Also from Denmark
>>76157183
Oh also, get rid of the Freemasonry.
That's heresy.
>>76156730
There are what, a billion Christians? I'd take that over a few hundred thousand fedoras any day.
Hey, remember that time nothing exploded into everything for no reason? That was awesome. Sure was convenient it magically turned into people so that you could waste your time being a faggot gaytheist online, huh?
>went to confession for first time in two months
>went to Saturday vigil mass
>going to mass again Sunday night with my qt Catholic Mexican gf who suddenly realized that she is indeed approaching her expiration date, and by the way is almost fully redpilled, asking me when I will propose to her.
feels good man
>>76157938
I see anon, sorry about the mistake, my bad!
How would you describe the situation of the Lutheran church in Denmark? Do any young people still go?
>>76157373
I have watched a lot of debates with William lane craig, his ontological arguments, his watchmaker arguments so on and so on. I did not find it very convincing. Check out Hamza tzortzis he is an islamic apologist using the same arguments as William lane craig. He also used William lane craig as a source for his arguments lol.
>>76157938
Very few, as you might know Islam is growing and christianity is going down. Islam is way better at keeping people in check in the faith than protestantism is since there is no harsh consequenses like in islam. Oure priests are very relaxed about beliefs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-kANR1vJkM
>>76158064
I wrote a post back to you but linked it to my own previous post.
>>76158264
>Very few, as you might know Islam is growing and christianity is going down.
That line made me shudder
>Islam is way better at keeping people in check in the faith than protestantism is
This is why we need a unified Christianity
What version of the bible do you read, /christianpol/?
>>76158506
I dont know how you would do that. Muslims cant unify either, They all dream of the one "ummah" the one united islamic community, but they fight over which sect it should be (Sunni, shia and many other secs) which is why there is so much sectarian wars. Also 80%+ scvandinavians don't think religion is an important part of their lives. I know very few people believing in god.
>>76158851
KJV lad
>>76150058
lol why didn't God just have another son?
Muslim btw
>>76158264
Wow anon, I'm watching this video and it's quite shocking. Seems like Lutheranism needs a strong revival in order to fight against Islam.
>>76159045
This whole method of delivering gods word to mankind trough prophets seems needlessly complicated. Why not just make people aware of his existence and let it be over with. People would have good reason to believe in god, and all the false competing religions would be rooted out.
>>76158975
All the European Muslims are Sunni.
>Also 80%+ scvandinavians don't think religion is an important part of their lives. I know very few people believing in god.
Atheists tend to be more left-leaning as well, and lack fertility.
Are any of you christian because of nationalism? I'm a Romanian immigrant and agnostic but I will still defend christianity whenever someone speaks against it. I believe in the teachings but it's also a point of national pride knowing we stayed christian despite the ottoman's attempts.
>>76159810
I'm Christian because it's what I believe.
But it's a part of my nationalism.
It is written in scripture itself that a good Christian tries his best to be a good countryman.
When in Rome, do as the Romans do. Meaning that Christians who were Romans were supposed to try to be good citizens even if they were persecuted.
>>76158979
Seems like the standard answer everywhere I go.
I gotta ask a historian sometime what the difference between all of them are.
>>76159247
Because some people were really devoted to God - living basically for Him... and the rest of people prayed for a prophet - so God picked up the devoted ones and proposed them to become prophets and they accepted...
>>76159253
Here in Denmark the right is on the rise. Also atheists here in Scandinavia is very common, most people are atheists. They are hardworking people who get educated and a job before ever concidering having children, while muslims on average gets 4-5 children.
There recently was some trouble between sunni and shia muslims in copenhagen where the shia's praying carpets where stolen or something by the sunni. Some ritualistic stuff.
>>76159855
This.
Problem is neo-/pol is also pretending pretty much, alongside few honest Christians.
>>76150058
What is a virus? What makes it specifically a virus as opposed to a microorganism? For one thing, a virus cannot reproduce by itself. Microorganisms like amoebas, protozoa, and the cells in your body can do that on their own.
A virus is just a container for its own genetic material which injects it into microorganisms. Viral DNA or RNA simply consists of instructions which compel the infected cell to make more viruses, in order to infect yet more cells.
Viruses do not have to be biological! Everybody's heard of computer viruses. They are very small, simple programs which, if simply left sitting in storage media like a flash drive or CD, would be inert and powerless.
Like a biological virus, they cannot reproduce themselves, they need a host to do that. Computers in this case. The virus is simply instructions for a computer which compel it to make more viruses in order to infect more computers.
Some have more of a purpose than that. There are types which commandeer large numbers of computers to serve the interests of the guy who programmed it, such as bitcoin mining or sending out mass spam emails. This is called a botnet.
There are some which bring up fraudulent messages that look like legitimate system warnings, asking you to buy software from the company responsible for making that virus in order to fix a nonexistent issue. This is known as scareware.
Now, viruses can be biological and they can be software. In either case, if you boil it down to basics, it's just *information* designed to compel some sort of host to propagate it to more hosts, spreading faster than it can be removed.
So it should come as no surprise that there can exist viruses designed to do this to the human brain, consisting of information written down, recorded as audio or in some other format comprehensible to us.
>>76160000
>Here in Denmark the right is on the rise.
Good
There recently was some trouble between sunni and shia muslims in copenhagen where the shia's praying carpets where stolen or something by the sunni.
That's good I guess, but it is mostly Sunni. The majority of the refugees are sunni. So it's good to keep that in mind.
One example is a chain letter. It includes a strong but unverifiable incentive if you send it to 5 friends, like *"your crush will confess to you tomorrow"*. Of course that doesn't happen but because it's conditional on you sending it to five people, by the time you find that out, the author of the chain email has already gotten what he wanted from you; for you to spread it.
There's also an unverifiable punishment if you don't spread it which works the same way. Something like *"If you don't send this to five people, a headless ghost girl will visit you in your bed tonight"*. By the time you discover that was a load of BS, you've sent the mail on to five more people.
There is often some sort of imminent time limit, like *"send it within 24 hours"* or *"five minutes from when you see this"*, and the reward is conditional upon sending it within that period. This is to add urgency and prevent you from thinking too carefully about what the email is and what it's designed to do.
Then, there are often testimonials from people it has purportedly worked for. *"I sent it to five of my friends, now I'm married to my crush!!"* This is to create the appearance that it works and diminish your doubts.
Pyramid schemes aren't identical to this but share a great many of the same motivational methods. The unverifiable promise of future riches if you stick with the program and recruit as many friends and family into it as you can.
The testimonials from members who are either within the small percentage who actually did profit (and are being misrepresented as typical) or were coached to misrepresent how much success they had.
>Christianity
more like SCIENCE
am i right guys, haha
BAZINGA!
Often as they are true believers that they will eventually be rich anyways and do not want friends and family who warned them away from participating to have the satisfaction of being right, members are only too happy to live outside their means while boasting to anybody who will listen how successful they've been by sticking to the program.
This brings us to Abrahamic religions. You might say "hold on, don't you mean all religion?" I once thought this as well but remember that Eastern religions exist and by and large do not adhere to this formula unless you make it so loose and general as to be meaningless.
Abrahamic religions adhere to the formula described so far perfectly, and even improve on it in some areas. Christianity moreso than Judaism, and Islam/Mormonism moreso than Christianity.
1. Founder claims world is ending imminently (1 John 2:18, Matthew 10:23, Matthew 16:28, Matthew 24:34)
2. He wants you to sell or give away your belongings ( Luke 14:33, Matthew 19:21, Luke 18:22)
3. He wants you to cut off family who interfere, and leave your home/job to follow him (Matt. 10:35-37, Luke 14:26, Matthew 19:29)
4. Unverifiable reward if you believe (Heaven, i.e. the carrot)
5. Unverifiable punishment if you disbelieve (Hell, i.e. the stick)
6. Sabotages the critical thinking faculties you might otherwise use to remove it (Proverbs 3:5, 2 Corinthians 5:7, Proverbs 14:12, Proverbs 28:26)
7. Invisible trickster character who fabricates apparent evidence to the contrary in order to lead you astray from the true path (Satan)
8. Targets children and the emotionally/financially vulnerable for recruitment (sunday schools, youth group, teacher led prayer, prison ministries, third world missions)
Islam goes a step further with additions like the promise of guaranteed passage to paradise for those who die fighting infidels, which begets aggressive expansionism. Judaism has the reward/punishment dynamic but not much else, sort of a prototype for what came later.
Of course groups structured like this are already known about. The modern word for them is "cult". In this case specifically a doomsday/messianic cult. While Christianity today no longer includes many of those practices (like requiring new converts to sell their stuff, rendering them materially dependent on the group and less likely to leave if they experience doubts) that's because once a cult grows to the point where membership numbers are sufficient to guarantee long term survival, policies that were necessary to retain converts early on can be jettisoned (as they make tempting ammo for critics anyways)
Mormonism is much younger than Christianity, and so has not yet jettisoned many of the cult-like practices, which is why the general Christian public often identifies it as a cult. Scientology is younger than Mormonism and accordingly is still an obvious, full blown cult.
Despite their doctrinal differences, religions of this type can always be identified by the *formula* they share. In the same way that, even if nobody receives the Nigerian prince 419 email anymore, they can still tell that when a Dutch dignitary being exiled "needs help moving his fortune out of the country" and "some of it can be yours for a relatively slight transfer fee", it's still the same type of scam but with changed details.
>>76160046
They see it as a way to be edgy contrarians if anything. They were memed into being """"""christians"""""""" because atheists basicly took over. It's sad to see someone use your faith in such a wrong way
Likewise, for every religion which uses this formula there is an unverifiable future reward if you join and don't leave (Heaven, being carried away by UFOs, whatever) an unverifiable punishment if you don't join or ever leave (left behind by UFOs as the Earth is destroyed, sent to Hell, etc.) a short term time limit to add urgency, both to convert yourself and to go evangelize so you can save as many other people as possible before "the end", testimonials from people who supposedly prayed and were healed, received a financial windfall or whatever else, etc. etc. etc.
It can be difficult or impossible for people in the religion to see it in this way. Aspects of how it's designed help put it as far beyond doubt as possible such that it's the *absolute last* institution that a believer would *ever* suspect as fraudulent.
As a result, describing it as an unusually successful end of the world cult will sound to them either like crazy talk or a deliberate attempt to be hurtful. They will see the verses supplied above as being misconstrued, because there is an "in-religion" rationale for each of them which the true believer feels is the actual meaning.
For instance, in Scientology there is a disconnection policy which urges members to cut off family members who are trying to extricate them from the church. We all know why. But the reason they give, which members take at face value, is that being around people low on the tone scale will inhibit their movement up the bridge, the Scientologist equivalent of spiritual growth.
So it goes for the Biblical verses I supplied. Someone still on the inside will perceive, interpret, and feel completely differently about them than a skeptic, even while being able to identify the true purpose of the exact same practices in religions they are not a part of. You can only see what stuff like that's really intended for *from the outside*.
That's all. Hope this was helpful.
>>76160000
Why is it important to keep in mind? The difference between shia and sunni muslims are who you believe should legitimately be the successor to muhammed. The family or the general of his army.
>>76160175
GOT EM!!
>>76160204
>>76161128
>>76153149
You post the best photos. Visited last summer, the most beautiful churches.
>>76161265
I see you've dedicated some time to this.
>>76161265
Lol, what are you doing lad?
Is that you in the picture?
>>76161343
As opposed to the zero minutes it took to draw the original
>>76160071
>virus
Yes and God really being the sky daddy, central issue: sexuality, and God is easily provable should go viral.
>>76150058
>Catholics, Orthodox, and Protestants alike are welcome to discuss theology. Try to be polite.
But only 1 of those 3 is really Christian. Catholics are pagan and Orthodox are oriental mystics.
>>76161265
>tumblr
>>76161541
Oh, welcome to the Christian thread.
So, what do you want to replace Christianity with exactly?
>>76161787
The Christ chan artist has a tumblr, numb nuts. That's where the images came from.
>>76160204
There is more verification than you describe. It is contradictory that the organisation is bad and that there are irrealistic things, while God exists. Heaven and hell is also verifiable. Looking at these things it becomes clear that a FAR better status is possible as is the case now.
But it must be done. If there is no initiative it will stay this way.
This could be a longer actually technical story.
>>76161872
My fedora tip stands. The >tumblr was secondary to the tip he so craved
>>76162136
>Heaven and hell is also verifiable.
...?
>>76162349
No really, if you are against Christianity, what logical, rational belief system do you suggest to replace it?
>>76161809
I don't consider that relevant to the question of whether or not Christianity is true to begin with.
>>76162349
http://www.theymetjesus.com/
I will add this, because e.g. it is part of the mistake that we have end days to be depressed about.
https://faithsimple.wordpress.com/
>>76162469
It's extremely relevant to what you're doing.
If you're against Christianity then you need to put forth something to replace it.
>>76162519
None of that's true. Whenever it's investigated to any depth it turns out to be a fabrication, as with the kid behind "Heaven is Real".
>>76162605
I didn't realize that was a rule
I found the real life Christchan!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOXOCI1MXNk
>>76162652
It is a rule, if you want to replace Christianity then you need something to replace it with.
Christianity puts forth a set of rules and ideology that people conform to. They all follow it.
Once you take it away, you need something to replace it with. Something with just as much moral authority so that people don't become degenerate.
>>76162652
To expand upon that.
Even if you think Christianity is wrong, unless you have something to replace it with, then it's completely pointless to try to dissuade others from Christianity at all.
You may as well be Anarchist.
>>76162824
>Christianity puts forth a set of rules and ideology that people conform to. They all follow it.
We have a set of secular laws already.
>Once you take it away, you need something to replace it with. Something with just as much moral authority so that people don't become degenerate.
We could all worship God Emperor Elon and follow him on a crusade across the stars to exterminate all non-human life. How does that sound?
