How do we know that that won't just radicalize more Muslims?
>>76140704
It doesn't matter if they can't get in.
They'll radicalize no matter what we do. Shitting it down is the only option.
>Stop saying that all Muslims are dangerous or else Muslims will become dangerous
>>76140773
/Thread
Honestly in what world does "lets let in more Muslims so they don't get enraged and try to kill us" make sense?
>>76140704
Who gives a shit, they can be radical all they want, in the desert where we drop bombs on them.
They were just fine blowing themselves up before we let them blow us up too.
>>76140704
>Don't stop these non-violent people from entering or they might become violent
t. leftists
>>76140838
Your inner Pajeet slipped out there mate.
If a US ban of entry is what it takes for a Muslim to radicalize, what does it say about that individual in the first place?
>>76140704
We aren't responsible for what radicalizes them, and there are plenty radicalized anyway.
>>76140773
This, if it does radicalize more they won't be here anyway
>>76140704
Because Kek is on our side and he will protect us.
>>76140773
but how do you know who's muslim and who isn't?
>inb4 they're all brown and arab
>>76140704
Obama banned all immigration from Iraq for a few months in 2011, I didn't hear you libs bitching then.
It's obvious that banning immigraiton from Iraq and Syria will greatly stifle terrorist movement, because that's where they fucking live.
>STOP, YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE THEM HATE US MORE
>>76140704
Who gives a shit how angry the Muslims are in Germany?
They can radicalize all they want outside our borders as long as we maintain those borders.
>>76140704
>implying all muslims aren't already radical
remove them before they sneak into your politicians and rulers,like they did to Englandistan
>>76141048
>Honestly in what world does "lets let in more Muslims so they don't get enraged and try to kill us" make sense?
It makes sense if, like most leftists, you think you can curry the favor of savages through enough bootlicking.
The left's behavior looks a lot less confusing once you realize that all they're trying to do is save their own hides.
>>76140704
muslims don't have anything to offer anyway, most are backwards people and as seen in Europe, even when they are 2nd-3rd generation immigrants, they don't fit in society.
I'm not even talking about race here.
>Muslim ban
He's changed his position. Now he's just going to suggest Muslims not come here. Everything's a suggestion.
Fuck, this came out like a month ago that he was dropping this shit.
>>76141162
This, kek.
>>76141278
Where the fuck is Iraq mentioned in the first amendment?
>>76141232
We know what countries are majority muslim
>>76140704
Why not radicalize the susceptible ones so we don't have to live in fear of bullshit?
Just let them radicalize, and then kill all the ones that do. If it turns into a war oh well. I'd rather die on my feet then live on my knees.
>>76141232
is there anything in the crayola that tells them they can't deny being mudslime?
>>76140704
>a bunch of angry muslims in some other country, and they can't get in
>maybe no angry muslims in your country and any can get in
More towelheads to get blown up, with their deaths broadcast on liveleak and youtube with the nightvision perspective of the gunship
fuck em who needs em
>>76140704
because islam is a religion of peace and the people are moderate and understanding and respectful of countries laws, thus unable to become radicalized simply by a country temporarily closing its borders to "hot zones" infamous for housing terrorists as the US works to tighten its background checking processes. :)
>>76141355
>Everything's a suggestion.
He's technically correct you know, not like the your president has absolute power or something.
>How dare you say that about Islam!
>We are peaceful!
>Stop or we will join the people you are talking about!
>Only out of spite, and not the fact I agree with Isis!
>>76140773
Fpbp
>>76140704
He should ban all foreigners that can't properly identify themselves.
>muslim
>christian
>jew
>agnostic
>hindi
>atheist
>>76141232
Don't let in anyone who's brown.
>>76140704
explain to me how letting more in will stop isis
>>76140704
>giving a shit what Muslims think
Keep them in the middle east and they can do whatever the fuck they want
>>76141232
starve them to near death and offer them a ham sandwich
Or make them touch a piece of ham as initiation
>>76140704
American muslims will snap eventually. It's just a matter of, do you want that to happen now, or do you want to wait until their population is large enough to pose a threat?
>>76141528
Don't they have taqiya if they want to justify pretending not to be muslim so they can bomb shit?
>>76141432
There's some clause in the Constitution that allows the President to ban groups of "hostile aliens" from entering the country. It's been used many times before.
Jimmy Carter banned all Iranian immigration during the Iran Hostage Crisis.
https://lionoftheblogosphere.wordpress.com/2015/12/08/yes-its-constitutional-to-ban-muslim-non-citizens-from-entering-the-country/
>>76140704
>if you ban them, they win
>>76140704
If you stop them from killing you, they win
>>76141552
Exactly this.
Unless they are not peaceful.... in which case they should be deported.
>>76141458
did you know that most of isis foreign soldiers comes from Europe ?
>>76141667
That clause doesn't supersede the 1st amendment's ban on the governance of religion.
You can ban all the groups you want as long as they aren't religious groups or reporters.
>>76141746
Or American citizens
>How do we know that that won't just radicalize more Muslims?
if that's all it takes, why are we letting them in again?
>>76140704
Its not supposed to stop ISIS its supposed to stop ISIS from entering the U.S.
>>76140963
To be honest, this mentality DOES demonstrate a belief in meme magic, so it's not completely absurd (just naive). Memeing Islam into an actual religion of peace isn't dank in the slightest
>>76140704
If we let enough in, they'll overthrow the government, erect a caliphate kill us all and then by reference they will know longer be radical.
>>76140704
Why would they 'radicalize' for being banned from going to a country they supposedly hate and don't want to travel to anyway?
>>76140704
Well you see if we stop letting muslims in without properly vetting them they won't be here to commit terrorism.
this is some shit bait.
>>76141746
thats why we ban every country with muslims you fucking retard.
The major (but not the only) source of jihadism comes from the fundamentalist Salafist movement, which is largely concentrated in the wealthy ME states (such as Saudi Arabia), who use oil money to fund violent groups around the world. If you put an economic stranglehold on these manipulators and prevent them from shipping cash, fuel, weapons, and people around, the problem of international jihadism vastly diminishes
>>76141981
That's almost every country you fucking retard.
>>76141232
Well I am guessing under his plan people from your country will be denied entry until a thorough vetting process can be implemented.
>>76140704
Because of your thought process I know you are...
KEKED. AS. FUCK.
>stop mudslimes until problem is solved
>doing this apparently causes all SandCostcos to have clearance sales on suicide vests, machetes and ISIS memberships
>which thereby creates more ISIS to raid with some drones
>rinse and repeat until the sand lands are cleansed
Fucking genius
>>76141232
>Here's your entry visa, and eat this ham sandwich
It's not that difficult when members of a religion are cast into the darkest pits of tartarus for eating certain foods
>>76142034
Obviously not every country that's got a single muslim in it you retard, just the ones like Saudi Arabia and Morroco that are 99+% muslim. Also Albania and Bosnia, cause fuck those slavic cunts
>>76142034
How about ban the fucking Middle-East?
Seems like a good starting point. adurrdurrdurrr
>>76142270
Boston Marathon bombers were Russian, m8.
>>76142291
Most muslims live in SEA
>>76142141
This is as retarded as the old "police officers have to answer 'yes' when you ask if they're a cop" meme. They can do whatever they need for jihad.
>>76142023
>If you put an economic stranglehold on these manipulators and prevent them from shipping cash, fuel, weapons, and people around, the problem of international jihadism vastly diminishes
Too bad greenfags want to cuck the US oil industry and keep buying oil from OPEC instead.
>>76141432
Obama violated federal civil rights law. Discrimination based on national origin is illegal. If Obama doesn't have to obey the law, then who does?
Any Muslim that will "radicalize" due to hostility toward their dumbshit beliefs deserves to be killed anyway. Let their inner durka come out and express itself openly so that we can start eliminating them and clean up the place.
>>76141739
Do you know that virtually all of those foreign soldiers originally came from the MENA region?
>>76142355
Okay, ban Indonesia too. I'm all for it.
In fact, ban all immigration from anywhere but South Korea, Japan, and European countries that have right-wing nationalist governments such as Denmark, Hungary, and Poland.
>>76140704
>he thinks ISIS was created by random "radicalized Muslims" and not human materiel molded by the CIA in Iraqi prison camps
this whole "debate" is an insipid red herring, and unconstitutional
>>76142453
Federal civil rights laws don't protect noncitizens. The first amendment however does restrain the government.
It's a restriction of power vs a protection of rights. Similarly the 5th and 14th's religious protections don't apply to noncitizens.
If someone is non-violent and you "forced" them to become violent through non-physical means, then they weren't non-violent to begin with.
if it's racist to ban entry of muslims to the USA then why does Obama prevent Iranian citizens from entering the USA? Shit even TALKING with an Iranian is against the law.
>>76140704
Why would it radicalize more Muslims by saying they can't migrate to a certain area? If they already "hate out freedom" then it would further prove they do by being pissed we're telling them to piss off.
>>76142544
Meanwhile one of the two at San Bernadino was American and West Texas wasn't even done by a Muslim
This is a stupidly inefficient and unconstitutional way to combat terrorism.
>muslims are radical
>if we don't let any in, they will just radicalize more. therefore, allow unfettered access!
brilliant logic
>>76141278
>implying the intelligence networks would be stopped from moving their terrorist proxies around borders by laws that apply to ordinary peons like us
>>76142569
To be clear, I'm talking about noncitizens outside the country since we're discussing immigration law.
>>76142552
>all this supposedly happened when Hillary was Secretary of State, so let's make her President
>>76140704
Because it's not like terror attacks are carried out universally by domestic Muslims
>>76140704
>MUSLIMS ARE PEACEFUL
>Let them in or THEY'LL BECOME TERRORISTS
wew lad
>>76142662
>This is a stupidly inefficient and unconstitutional way to combat terrorism.
It is still more effective than the current system. Also, it will protect native labor from foreign competition - a big win for the left! :^)
>>76142704
Actually the leader of ISIS was released from an Iraqi prison camp in 2004.
Sure he is calling for it but that wouldn't ever happen
No seriously, describe a scenario in which a law is passed prohibiting muslim immigration
>>76142375
>>76142355
So don't let in darkies or Russians, it's not hard
>>76142375
except commit haram
Who cares if playing Smoke on the Water annoys the tiger? It shouldn't be in the bathroom in the first place.
>>76142444
American oil independence would indeed improve our security and by extension the security of the planet. Unfortunately Saudis will then sell wholesale to the Chinese, creating the petroyuan... which can be countered with a strong economic stance against China and more efforts to bring manufacturing back to US shores. Can't have half-measures here, have to go all the way
>>76140704
They'll not be able to get in
We never said our goal was to stop ISIS
Our goal is to keep them out of our country. If it makes more soldiers I don't give a fuck because y'all motherfuckers have to deal with it not us
Plus it's pretty good payback for both killing based Gadaffi and trying to kill based Assad
Fuck Europastan, you are Gondor and Rhoan will not ride to your defense
>>76142814
>It is still more effective than the current system.
Given the damage it would do to our ties with Muslim nations from which we need military and intelligence support, not to mention Muslim communities within our own country viewing the government with distrust, that's unlikely.
>>76140704
Idiots. Just by bringing them here it still radicalize them. They'll just segregate themselves from the rest of the country trying to create a new state and the ones who aren't radical are radicalized by one jihadi. So the jihadi will recruit more people. Apart of being a leftist is lacking foresight.
>>76142662
They aren't citizens so how is it unconstitutional?
>>76141232
"Have a slice of bacon, courtesy of customs."
Who can resist a free slice of bacon?
>>76141739
yeah no shit, we already know europe is the land of isis
>>76142704
>making bizarre assumptions about me
>>76143021
The 5th and 14th amendment protects citizens from the government treating them differently for their religion.
The 1st just says government can't fuck with religion or the press in general.
It'd be just as constitutional to ban all noncitizen reporters from entering the country.
>>76142966
The ties we have with Muslim nations at the moment are what has been doing the most damage. Support of the regimes of Saudi Arabia and Qatar have directly led to the spread of radical Salafi and Wahhabi doctrine throughout the Muslim world. Most Muslim countries are a total lost cause at this point, and we'd be better off leaving them to their own devices and developing better relationships with Latin America and the non-Muslim parts of Asia. The rest of the world would be better served cutting off the Muslims entirely and leaving them to rot until they all kill each other or start to clean up their act.
>>76143048
vegetarians?
>>76142602
>>76141395
>>76142966
>the leaders of muslim nations give a single fuck.
>We shouldn't offend a small minority group in America to keep America safe
it doesn't matter. The more muslims a country has the more dangerous it will be. Muslims are not peaceful and they are not your friend. Your telling us that banning a group of people that wants to stone women to death from entering our country is evil.
Fuck off kike.
>own a store
>some slob comes in with no shirt on and no shoes on
>decide to put up a sign the next day that says "NO SHIRT NO SHOES NO SERVICE"
>moderate shoe/shirt not-wearers (people who only sometimes don't wear shoes or shirts in the privacy of their own homes and communities) see the sign and feel alienated
>suddenly all these moderates are angry at my racism and decide to not wear shoes or shirts anymore in public
>they come into my store without shoes or shirts and set off suicide bombs
Liberal logic.
>>76143133
It's a regional ban, not a ban based on religion. Note that Obama, along with many presidents before him, have enacted regional bans without great complaint, and they are not unconstitutional.
>>76143142
>Latin America
There's probably more beheadings in Mexico than Syria on any given day.
Great plan, trade terrorist supporting politicians for drug dealer owned politicians, that will lower the death toll in the USA.
>>76143167
You don't want them either mate
>>76140704
Sounds like the rest of the worlds problem.
>>76143133
But we can ban all non citizen reporters from entering our country. There is literally nothing wrong with that.
>>76142882
That's why I support Trump.
>>76142966
>Given the damage it would do to our ties with Muslim nations from which we need military and intelligence support, not to mention Muslim communities within our own country viewing the government with distrust, that's unlikely.
Tough shit, we can still get intelligence from the kikes, and 2nd-hand sources. Also, why would they care about immigrants going to the US anyway? Don't those Muslim, Arab-nationalist countries want to keep their own ethnocentric people in their homeland? Also, if you haly Muslim immigration, the native population would grow less quickly, and become less of a threat over time as their relative numbers couldn't keep-up with the native populace.
This professor explains that immigration is mostly a negative for the world as a whole, because it drains the 3rd world of talent, and the amount of immigrants is irelevent compared to the birth rates of their home countries. There's no point allowing immigrants at this point unless they have PhDs in STEM, or are some extremely culturally-relevant person like a musician or actor that generates a lot of wealth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE
>>76143231
The ones that want to enter are country are predominantly the ones that think the ones that want to stone women to death are batshit menaces.
And communication between communities and law enforcement is how terrorist attacks are stopped the vast majority of the time, you know, since we can't just bug all Muslims.
But fuck getting tipped off, amirite?
>>76143329
>Mexico
You know that Trump has also proposed a wall, or did you conveniently forgot that to defend the muslim regimes.
>>76140704
The fact is most American Muslims consider themselves Muslims first and Americans second.
They are our citizens but we must realize that if do anything that seems "not nice" regarding Islam like choosing not to give citizenship to foreigners from certain Islamic areas then they will choose to turn radical and they will launch terrorist attacks on us.
So for the safety of our people we must let in all Muslims who travel here.
We can't risk pissing these people off.
>>76142704
also
>supposedly
google "ISIS camp bucca," google "ISIS CIA Iraq" -- this is common knowledge among attentive Iraqis and has even made it into MSM if you read between the lines.
>>76143326
>It's a regional ban
I apologize, I lost the thread.
Yes, a regional ban is doable. And we've done them in the past, but banning every predominantly Muslim region is still a bit of a broad brush
And not that it matters, Trump isn't calling for a ban of any sort anymore.
http://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/trump-muslim-ban-just-a-suggestion
>>76142846
What?
>>76143387
Buddhists?
Pretty sure I want Buddhists.
>>76143555
That's real retarded sir
>>76143480
Its been shown in the past that american muslims don't cooperate with the police to catch terrorists. Why do you want to import people that will turn a blind eye on terrorism because they support their cause.
Why isn't the middle east a parking lot yet?
>>76143393
>But we can ban all non citizen reporters from entering our country. There is literally nothing wrong with that.
Read the first amendment before discussing what is and is not possible under it.
>>76143437
>Also, why would they care about immigrants going to the US anyway
It's a travel ban, not an immigration ban.
>>76143772
It's also been shown that most domestic terrorist "busts" are rings set up and directed by police (FBI) informants and operatives
>>76143480
>The ones that want to enter are country are predominantly the ones that think the ones that want to stone women to death are batshit menaces.
Thats not true. The ones who want to immigrate are the ones who want to slowly spread those ideals to the rest of the world.
Again it doesn't matter. The more muslims in a country the more shitty that country becomes. Every single time. Even if you don't consider them a threat they are still a danger to our culture and way of life and our racial purity. So of course I want them gone.
something like 80% of muslims are for Sharia. Do you really think the only people trying to immigrate are the ones that aren't extreme? Still doesn't matter.
Since when has the U.S. had to take immigrants of any kind. We are a sovereign nation. We can do whatever the fuck we want to do.
>>76143710
>>76143772
>Its been shown in the past that american muslims don't cooperate with the police to catch terrorists.
It's been shown that they do.
>>76143195
I don't even think that applies. Its not like someone drew up a MSPaint comic with a hypothetical statement.
People have literally said "If you don't let Muslims into you're country, they'll attack you" on international news.
>>76142355
BB were chechen muslims.
Kill yourself, Supwerpower No. 2.
>>76143897
>The more muslims in a country the more shitty that country becomes
That's why the USA has become more and more shit since our existence, amirite?
>>76143919
>>76143757
Nothing against eating meat in buddhism as long as the animal wasn't killed for you, you're thinking Jain.
>>76143954
>BB were chechen muslims.
Um...where the fuck do you think Chechnya is?
Protip: it isn't Pakistan.
>>76143954
germany no!
>>76143701
Why can't we choose to ban people who come from the most dangerous ideology?
We don't owe any foreigner anything and throughout most of our history we've never let Muslims immigrate here.
There are plenty of non-Muslim immigrants from more compatible and less dangerous cultures who we can give charity based citizenship to... though considering how much America has given to the world I don't see even the need for that.
This retarded obligation some people think we have to let anyone in is just.... so dumb.
All immigration at this point should be done for our benefit which means small numbers per year for those from compatible cultures who have skills we need and a good work ethic/desire to assimilate.
>>76143701
Why is it a broad brush? Where do you get this idea that America is a charity that needs to accept a certain number of shit skins into the country. We don't need to accept a single new immigrant if we don't want to.
>>76143998
Mahayana Buddism promotes vegetarianism.
>>76143989
I'll wait for the evidence that they don't first, then respond. I didn't make the first claim after all.
>>76141552
Here is a little hint any religion that says you must be killed if you decide to leave is not a religion of peace
>>76142882
?
america is already oil independent...
>>76143954
Hey mate, seeing how you are talking about No. 2's.
I got your this medal, 2nd comes right after 1st :)
>>76144032
They're not ethnic Russians.
>>76143988
He is talking about other countries.
>>76143798
>the first amendment applies to non citizens.
Just because you are a journalist doesn't give you a free pass to enter the United States.
Why are libtards so delusional. They are so small minded.
>>76140704
>implies any measure better than just letting everyone come in undocumented is far worse than putting any sort of restriction on immigration
Nice try faggot, you'll have to do better than that.
>>76144134
>keeps buying oil from OPEC
>leftists shitting on our oil industry constantly
>stopping construction of Keystone
>independent
>>76140704
ISIS=Muslim=Shitskins
The muslim ban won't stop ISIS, and he never said it would.
He said he wants to stop muslims from coming in, UNTIL THE US CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON. Once the US figures out "what the hell is going on", then they can take the appropriate steps to stop ISIS.
Banning muslims is a necessary thing, it will force the necessary people to really get their asses to work on figuring out what to do.
It's sort of like "no video games until you finish your chores"... it's not to keep you from playing video games, OR that not playing video games => chores will get done. This ultimatum will make YOU do your fucking chores if you want to play video games again.
And so the necessary departments must figure out why there is so much tension and hatred with muslims and the US if they ever want to go there again.
>>76140704
There isn't any "good" solution to Islam OP. We already saw what happens when you try to welcome them with open arms (Germany, France, Europe in general) so really can keeping them out completely be any worse? Not like they have the means to get in by force. In my eyes, the "you'll just make them mad!" argument is complete horse shit.
>>76140773
this
>let us in or we'll kill you!!
bye bye
>>76144078
>Why can't we choose to ban people who come from the most dangerous ideology?
What are you talking about? We can ban noncitizen jingoists.
>>76144099
Where did you get this idea that closed nations flourish? I direct your attention to North Korea.
This isn't even about accepting new residents. It's travel.
>>76144149
I didn't say they were ethnic Russians.
I said they were Russians, in a discussion about nationality.
>>76144117
>Mahayana Buddism
Small price to pay to keep muslims out.
>>76140704
The 9/11 attackers, the Boston bombers, and one fo the two San Bernardino shooters, were in the U.S. on visas. We aren't being killed by terrorists despite the government's efforts to protect us; we're being killed because the government keeps inviting them in.
>>76143891
>most
>>76144170
>He is talking about other countries.
If it only applies in other countries then why even bring it up when discussing American policy?
Or are you saying it would suddenly start applying here because magic?
>>76144330
Where do you get this idea that nations need to let millions of shit skins from different cultures into their borders stay flourish. I direct your attention to Japan.
>>76143133
>It'd be just as constitutional to ban all noncitizen reporters from entering the country.
We do this all the fucking time lmao.
>>76141232
Tbh the ones doing most of the killings seem to be brown.
>>76144281
Why can't we all just accept the fact that Islam is in recorded history always a grave threat to other or native cultures once it is has become a significant enough percentage of the overall population.
If we accept this as fact (and all cases in history prove it so) then wouldn't it just be common sense to try and prevent Muslims in your country from becoming a bigger ethnic group then they are at any present time?
There are plenty of immigrants we can let in who aren't Islamic. Look how many Mexicans we've let in over the last few decades.
I don't understand why we can't accept the risk Islam objectively poses to other cultures and just choose not to let in Muslim people.
>>76144117
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/survey-reveals-chasm-between-muslim-values-and-rest-of-uk-d30hl55lk
Your counterpoint Muhammad?
>>76144200
>the first amendment applies to non citizens.
No, of course not.
It applies to the federal government.
Why would a restriction on federal powers apply to noncitizens? They don't have any in the first place.
>>76144429
>something happens in every country after certain conditions are met
>i-it won't h-happen here
Its like saying that socialism has never worked but may work in the USA.
>>76140704
>How do we know that that won't just radicalize more Muslims?
the plan is to radicalize as many muslims as possible
>>76144562
>socialism
*communism
Same shit anyway.
>>76144560
Exactly why you don't have to let in non citizens because of freedom of press. Are you retarded or is this a pathetic attempt to backtrack.
>>76144512
t. Shlomo Shekelberg
>>76140704
>How do we know that that won't just radicalize more Muslims?
If muslims are so easy to radicalize, then maybe they should get the fuck out of our country?????????????????????? Just a thought?????????????????????????
>>76144475
Japan received 20 million visitors in 2015, is going to host the 2020 Olympic games, and tourism is a vital part of their economy.
You directed my attention to Japan, you should direct your own.
>>76144501
>We do this all the fucking time lmao.
[citation needed]
>>76144134
things are better, but they would be even nicer if we could rely more heavily on the keystone pipeline, as well as your oilfields... provided they don't all catch on fire.
>relying on Canada is not independence
*North American oil independence
which would be far superior to relying on middle eastern oil deposits, as we still do to a small extent, even though we've slowly been distancing ourselves from our former suppliers
>>76144524
My counterpoint is the UK is horseshit at assimilating foreigners and not the US, not to mention that doesn't actually demonstrate jack shit about your claim about stopping attacks.
>>76141162
W E W
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>>76144330
>Where did you get this idea that closed nations flourish?
America up until 1970 had many periods of closed borders (no immigration) and during the years when we did have immigration it was almost always from certain European (White) areas and even then we still had quotas (limits) for how many we could let in per year.
There is a difference between no immigration forever and a system where you have periods of no immigration and other periods of limited & highly selective immigration.
America relative to the rest of the world did pretty well from 1900-1970 so... yeah.
>>76144200
The First Amendment applies to Congress. Who do you think would have to pass such a law?
>>76140773
They are already here. We are fucked. Buy guns.. Buy Ammo.
>>76144568
Also this. Having Muslims being "on the fence" of extremism, just waiting for someone to insult the prophet muhammed (pbuh) before going postal, is a bad thing. We don't want them.
If a muzzie ban forces the radicals and potential radicals to identify themselves, then it makes everything a lot easier.
>>76144815
>>76144562
>after certain conditions are met
The claim was more Muslims=shittier country, not more Muslims after a certain point=shittier country.
After he wins (he will) we take any Muslims, ship them to camps, and execute them
It's a sort of "final solution" type of stopping
And those who escape will run to the "caliphate" and fave the same fate
Irony dubs. Top Kek.
>>76144732
>20 million
>a lot
We could get more visitors from Europe alone.
>Visitors
Hmmmmm. Could there perhaps be a difference between visitors and immigrants. I wonder what the difference could be. Can anybody explain this to me?
How will this even work. Im an arab american and i was born here .my parents are 1st gen immigrants but both of them have the American nationality since a long time . They are muslim and im not . Will my family and me be fine ?
I don't care if he radicalizes them or not. That misses the point. Muslims should be killed anyway, who cares if they're radical or not. What the fuck is a non-radical Muslim anyway? And what do you care about Muslims for anyway. Stop with the fake outrage.
>>76142859
They can for the sake of jihad to hide from an enemy in war. It's part of taqiya, don't be so ignorant. Even the 9/11 fags were in bars and strip clubs.
>>76144861
But congress can pass a law that bans all foreign press.
>>76140704
OP, you better send me a thousand dollars, or else your stinginess will drive me to demand two thousand dollars.
>>76144330
>Closed nations don't flourish
>Uses North Korea, a nation that doesn't even play to its own strengths and history
>Ignored the fact that America has gone 100% isolationist twice and did amazing the entire time
>Ignoring the fact that America can literally produce 98% of anything and everything it could ever need
Fuck off commie
>>76144972
If you are Muslim you will be Hitler'd.
If you are not you'll be fine.
Being Arab alone is not a big problem.
>>76142966
>Muslim nations from which we need military and intelligence support
Where are you getting this shit? Except for basing rights the Muslim world doesn't provide us any meaningful military support. Muslims are notoriously useless in modern warfare. They are ill disciplined and lack technical competence. What's more many of the intelligence services of our so called Muslim allies (notably Pakistan and Saudi Arabia) are known to be deeply involved in supporting Jihadi movements. Their "intelligence support" is worse than useless because they aren't actually on our side in the war on terror.
>>76140704
There is a 100% correlation between islamic terrorism and islam believe it or not.
>>76144694
>Exactly why you don't have to let in non citizens because of freedom of press.
Let's try explaining via metaphor.
Government power is a gun. Groups of citizen have body armor. The body armor in this case is constitutional rights. Groups of noncitizens don't have any armor.
You can obviously shoot the groups of noncitizens. But if you point the gun at reporters or religious groups, gun jams. The gun jamming is government power being limited. Reporters as a group or religious groups obvious still lack the body armor, but they can't be shot regardless because the gun no longer has the power to do so.
>>76144900
So do you agree that after a certain point of muslims things get shitty right? Then why do you want to import more muslims.
>>76140773
FPBP
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>>76144418
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/21/government-agents-directly-involved-us-terror-plots-report
>>76142602
>Muslims
>non-violent
Yeah, let's just forget the first 100 years of its existence and how it turned half of the Christian world into an Islamic one by fire and sword.
>>76145070
>gnoring the fact that America can literally produce 98% of anything and everything it could ever need
To be fair, we still rely on China for rare earth metals. We should make initiatives to find new sources, or make some kind of artificial material to replace them.
>>76144972
It's empty rhetoric. Muslims are even allowed to lie about being Muslim to protect themselves. It won't really be done. He can ban immigration of all brown people, but that also sounds diplomatically unfeasible. He could also try banning the practice of Islam in the US, but the Supreme Court would shut that down. In short, it's rhetoric to get elected like every other politician.
>>76145123
I want serious responses not stupid memes. Anyone here actually read trump's offcial plans on this issue ?
>>76142355
>Chechens from Kyrgyzstan
>Russian
Come on, mate.
>>76143133
What about 8 USC 1182? Also non-citizens aren't protected, and would be a ban on areas with terrorism (which of course gotten to be mainly Islamic).
>>76140704
>So explain to me how Trumps muslim ban will stop ISIS?
>>76140773
>It doesn't matter if they can't get in.
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>>76144910
>immigration
>Could there perhaps be a difference between visitors and immigrants
It's a TRAVEL BAN, not an IMMIGRATION BAN you stupid shits.
>>76145131
How the fuck do you think we operate our drone program in most countries without the things being shot the fuck down or war being declared on us for all the collateral damage?
These countries give us permission for us to kill their citizens with flying killbots.
>>76144972
Mate, I don't seriously see how folks are asking questions like that unironically.
You're an American citizen for fuck's sake, what do you think is going to happen? Internment camps? They gonna dump your ass out of a C-130 over Mecca and tell you to get fucked?
I'm sure that depending on where you live you may be perceived negatively. That is unfortunate, especially if you're a contributing and well-raised person.
>>76145166
>So do you agree that after a certain point of muslims things get shitty right?
Things would presumably get better up to that point
>>76145164
But thats not how it works. The government can still ban press from other countries. That was what we are arguing since you used that shitty metaphors.
Your second metaphor was shit too.
The government can shoot all it wants. The gun will not jam. However citizens will not be hurt because they have bullet proof vests. Non citizens however will be killed. The constitution is the vest. The constitution is not a magical gun jamming device.
>>76145305
I am ok with Muslims traveling here if they are heavily vetted in advance I guess.
I don't think I would really care either way though if they did get banned in all honesty and most Americans would probably feel the same way.
This idea that Americans "care deeply" about non-Americans and Muslims is the most bullshit thing in the world despite our media system often trying to imply that its so.
>>76140704
>banned from a place because their are radicals in you religion
>become one of those radicals to prove them wrong
Those people where going to join ISIS regardless
>>76140773
FPBP
>>76145305
Its both no? Still doesn't matter. We don't even need muslim visitors.
>>76140704
>How do we know that that won't just radicalize more Muslims?
You can't radicalize a muslim. Ever. Period. If hurting their feelings makes them go berserk they were never moderate.
>>76145464
>Things would presumably get better up to that point
>Source: my ass
>>76145280
>8 USC 1182
Constitution is supreme law of the land. 8 USC 1182 doesn't grant anyone extra constitutional powers.
>Also non-citizens aren't protected
Correct
>and would be a ban on areas with terrorism (which of course gotten to be mainly Islamic).
That'd be totally legal and not at all what Trump was calling for before he dropped the idea altogether.
>>76140773
>radical muslim
>hates america
>suddenly wants to enter america
>>76144512
Somehow people forgot that immigration is only supposed to be done when it serves the interests of the people of that nation.
There is literally not a single good reason to allow Islam to grow in the West. Not a single one.
>>76141227
How can Islam even compete with Kekromancy?
>>76145503
>The constitution is not a magical gun jamming device.
>The constitution doesn't limit government power
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>>76145403
Why would we need to kill sandniggers? They're not going to be attacking mainland U.S. when they are banned anytime soon.
>>76143437
"o shit, MAGA"
>>76145712
BUT MUH FEEELINGS YOU ISLAMAPHOBE
>>76145733
The bullet proof vest limits the guns power.
>>76143437
o shit, MAGA
>>76145262
It's still easily solved. Incoming Muslims can lie about their religion, but background checking can be used to verify the truth of their claims. Unless conclusive proof of their non-Muslim status can be found, they don't get to enter. That weeds out illiterates from backwater villages due to lack of ability to corroborate, and Muslims from urban centers can be easily found out.
>>76145749
>They're not going to be attacking mainland U.S. when they are banned anytime soon.
Cause there's no way in this country if we say you can't come in and no way to harm Americans or their interests abroad, amirite?
And there are no influential terrorist Americans abroad, amirite?
>>76145860
That's not how bullet proof vests or guns work, m8.
To put it in RPG terms. The 1st amendment debuffs the government. The 5th and 14th buff citizens.
These sand niggers are almost as upset as the taco niggers are about the wall.
>>76145860
Then what happens when they get armor piercing rounds?
>>76146273
We putsch.
I really, really wish we handled this with a purely democratic vote.
Every citizen gets a chance to vote and we'll do it over the next 5 months.
Vote A : We allow Muslims to immigrate here in the future
Vote B : We don't allow Muslims to immigrate here in the future
How much do you wanna bet that option B would win by 70+% of the vote?
Too bad what the people actually want basically doesn't matter anymore in my country.
Easy, any Muslims it does radicalize we'll kill.
All the left over Muslims can stay. It doesn't matter, they know what we'll do if they ever act up ever again.
>>76146413
>he fell for the radical muslim meme
>>76146412
You can't vote away the Constitution.
>>76146520
Not at all, Islam is a choice. You're not born into it. This is like saying "radical Satanism".
Either you choose to be or you choose not to be. I seriously doubt many people will choose to remain islamic once they see how thorough the machine is at purging unwanted civilians. It did it just fine back in WW2 and we've had all this time to improve on the method.
>>76146633
The constitution doesn't have many provisions relating to immigration and we prevented Muslims from coming here for most of our countries history.
So while you are correct that we shouldn't be able to vote away the Constitution there is nothing in it preventing a complete Muslim immigration ban.
And pretending that the Constitution is respected by our current Government is pretty laughable.
There are tons of unconstitutional laws and programs currently in effect.
In future years depending on who gets elected we could easily see the erosion and destruction of our 1st and 2nd amendments.
Muslims and politicians combined have done a great job of banning the 1st amendment in Europe.
>>76140704
Because odongo already did it once and shitall happened or don't you remember that?
>>76146983
>and we prevented Muslims from coming here for most of our countries history.
[citation needed] on any historic precedent for a Muslim ban.
>Muslims and politicians combined have done a great job of banning the 1st amendment in Europe.
>1st amendment
>Europe
Oh, you're retarded.
>>76140704
If it does then we won't have to censor our video games because Achmed rapes the nearest woman when he sees anime boobs.
Probably. That's Europe's problem though.
>>76147189
>[citation needed] on any historic precedent for a Muslim ban.
The fact is for the majority of our countries history we did not let Muslim immigrate here.
I am not saying there was an official ban but we just chose not to let them come.
>Oh, you're retarded.
Point remains that the constitution is in no way truly respected by our Government and they clearly have the power to get rid of it.
Assuming Scalia is replaced by some SJW then it will pretty much be tossed in the trash.
